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Speaker 1: On today's episode, let's preview the PAC twelve. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: And then and Ty, welcome back to the celeburbal boys

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, though, we are turning our focus to

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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. We've already gone through the SEC schedule,

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Speaker 1: the Big ten schedule. The PAC twelve's time to shine

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Speaker 1: is now. We have got thoughts on the easiest, the hardest,

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Speaker 1: If it sounds weird, it's because it is. We will

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Speaker 1: explain gumpiness, trappiness, all of these words that we have

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Speaker 1: as much. I've tried it. But welcome into the verballerhood

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Speaker 1: one and all. I am ready to talk some PAC

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Speaker 1: twelve with you, sir. PAC twelve schedule preview coming at

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Speaker 1: you here. Yes, couple interesting schedule quirks, oh, related to

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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve. Would we agree that the four best teams,

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Speaker 1: at least the four expected best teams are USC, Utah, Oregon,

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Speaker 2: Does that sound right to you? That's how I view

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Speaker 2: the season, but yeah, that's my expectation now. Just in

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Speaker 2: terms of combination, quarterback, coaching, experience, returning talent, new talent,

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Speaker 2: recent results, I think that's there. But look, Oregon State

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Speaker 2: And I think there's danger in this conference. UCLA won

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Speaker 1: The case for a cannibalized PAC twelve is that all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also a couple of I don't know if

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Speaker 2: usually the preference would be like both teams play home

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Speaker 2: because they get two buys because they play Week zero

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Speaker 2: we get two or three instances, though I suppose it's

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Speaker 1: Indeed, where do you want to start here or shall we.

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Speaker 2: Start the champs? Let's start with the Utah because they

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Speaker 1: This schedule is brutal. Yeah, this schedule. This schedule is brutal.

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Speaker 1: They are still scheduling like they're a group of five

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Speaker 2: We can hang, uyghs, we can hang look at me.

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Speaker 1: This schedule is stupid. They open with Florida, get them

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Speaker 1: They're also at USC at Washington and Arizona. The quote

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Speaker 2: I feel bad for Utah.

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Speaker 1: The Utah kind of fits into that category of teams

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Speaker 2: Right, it's yeah, and I can appreciate, like I hear

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Speaker 2: undertones of criticism TI, I can appreciate a team scheduling

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Speaker 2: you're comparing resumes, because Utah is at that point coming

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Speaker 2: terms of a final win loss thing because it's at Baylor. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's Florida returning to Salt Lake, but it's at Baylor.

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Speaker 2: It's a road man. Now, Utah, I think they have

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Speaker 2: to back weeks. I believe it's after it's the week

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Speaker 2: after USC is at Notre Dame. Correct.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: So that's at least situationally something I can play with.

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Speaker 2: I don't love. And as you mentioned, the teams that

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Speaker 2: Stanford and Wazoo. Those are two winnable games for Utah,

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Speaker 2: and so you know, you want to maximize when you

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Speaker 2: to maximize. Hopefully you want to pray that it's maximized

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Speaker 2: in conference, but it's rough. If Utah is indeed the

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to be the CAM Rising.

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Speaker 2: And so it's just it's an additional data point that

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Speaker 1: I just I looked at the schedule. I was screaming

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Speaker 1: do this? They don't need to schedule so much, AMMO.

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Speaker 1: The schedule in and of itself that just within conference

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Speaker 1: Florida's over under his five and a half. I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen what Baylor's is yet. Neither one of those teams

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Speaker 1: playoff berth. But it's still a good opponent in both cases.

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Speaker 1: So to your point, Yeah, if they make it through this,

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Speaker 1: even if they emerge from this ten and two, nine

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Speaker 1: guess still be a really good football team that by

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Speaker 1: virtue of the schedule, by virtue of Cam Rising still

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Speaker 1: getting over his knee injury. You know they could be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with some of their pop at running back

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Speaker 2: this during preview time if this is a different looking

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Speaker 2: Utah team. Not that they were throwing the ball deep

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Speaker 2: at all. They were counting on those two great tight

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Speaker 2: ends last year. But I I wonder what the complexion

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Speaker 2: especially early on. It's a tough ae tie. It really

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Speaker 2: is Oregon Ducks.

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Speaker 1: Dan, let's talk about the Orgon Ducks or beloved Oregon Ducks.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this schedule right now, and there are

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Speaker 1: This is how you know you're a fan of a team,

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Speaker 1: And if you're an Oregon fan, you know you rightly

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Speaker 1: The conditional Fetuccini. I got it, Yeah, got it.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's fine. I think there's a great

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Speaker 2: I think if Oregon plays to its talent level, they're

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Speaker 1: I agree. I couldn't agree more. I provided they don't

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Speaker 1: I don't write at Washington. Yeah, I don't write it

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Speaker 2: So in order, I think I'm most worried about at Washington, USC,

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Speaker 1: I think that's the right order.

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Speaker 2: I think the best of Oregon can win those three

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Arizona State. Yeah, let's talk about Arizona State.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of fetichini alfredo there.

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Speaker 3: I ate more fetichinie alfredo and drank less water than

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the bye week. I think delineates it

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Speaker 2: That's pretty nice for Kenny Dillingham first year as a

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Speaker 2: they're gonna need to I don't know if it's what

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna write off Jayde Rashada like that.

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Speaker 2: So wait, hold on, so this means they miss Stanford

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you're ruling out Jade Rashada, but.

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Speaker 1: I would take him a thousand times over drew Pine.

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Speaker 1: I saw an interview I think that Andy did with

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Speaker 2: go to UDUB, Let's go to Washington. You don't here.

433
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Speaker 2: Didn't your brother go to Udube? He did, proud alum.

434
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Speaker 1: Washington's over under his nine. It is one of the

435
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Speaker 1: easier slates in the PAC twelve in my view. It's

436
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: got a nice little setup here. The road schedule is

437
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Speaker 1: not bad. It's a little weird in spots. They got

438
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Speaker 1: road games at Michigan State, Arizona, Stanford, USC, and Oregon State,

439
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: but decent buffers. I think it's not bad. November could

440
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: get a little dicey, but it's not like anything on

441
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: here appears overwhelming. Things can change with injury, but you're

442
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Speaker 1: looking at a non conference slate that not only futures

443
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Speaker 1: Michigan State as we mentioned before, but also Boise and Tulsa.

444
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: It's enough juice to kind of give him some status

445
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Speaker 1: with the names. But I don't think any of those

446
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: teams are going to be world beaters this year, and

447
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Speaker 1: I would expect that Washington would be able to take

448
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Speaker 1: care of business. So I look at this on the

449
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Speaker 1: surface and I say, Okay, we're talking. We're talking potential

450
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Speaker 1: over here with Washington. I feel very good about where

451
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Speaker 1: they're at. We did the interview with Mike Vurrell. If

452
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Speaker 1: you go back and listen to some of the first

453
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Speaker 1: year coaching debriefs that we did a couple weeks ago,

454
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Speaker 1: and we talked a lot about how do you fix

455
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Speaker 1: the defense? How do you make the defense better? Because

456
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: obviously the offense got to a really good place and

457
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: year wandered under Kalin de Bor and Michael Pennix Junior, etc.

458
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Speaker 1: Et cetera. But to me, it's a question defense. It's

459
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Speaker 1: question of how do they handle what is a tougher

460
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Speaker 1: stretch as we get into the back half of the schedule,

461
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Speaker 1: But by and large, if you're one of the pre

462
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Speaker 1: eminent assumed powers in the conference, you can't do a

463
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Speaker 1: whole lot better than this. This looks okay to me.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah, scheduleize that they're in a good place. I worry

465
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Speaker 2: about specific parts of their roster, namely back half of

466
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Speaker 2: their defense. I think they're gonna get after the quarterback

467
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: pretty well. I don't love the offensive line. But two

468
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: great receivers, which should be a very very good year

469
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Speaker 2: from Michael Pennix if he can stay healthy, which is

470
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Speaker 2: that big if for him. So I think Washington in

471
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Speaker 2: a good place now. This is also a Washington team

472
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Speaker 2: that struggled at times, like their record was great for

473
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Speaker 2: a first year situation. Record was terrific, finishing out that

474
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Speaker 2: Oregon game, you know, escaping the air. I think it

475
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Speaker 2: was the Arizona game. There was like a three point

476
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Speaker 2: game in the fourth quarter. That was great. They missed

477
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Speaker 2: UCLA this year, which they lost to last year. You

478
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Speaker 2: believe Washington they've got They're at Arizona, which feels a

479
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Speaker 2: little bit trappy before Thereby, if you are to believe

480
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Speaker 2: in the occult forces, like you mentioned earlier, Washington has

481
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: never enjoyed the Stanford experience, and they're at Stanford this year.

482
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Speaker 2: It's a different Stanford situation, of course, but that's before

483
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Speaker 2: that rougher stretch of They're at usc Utah, at Oregon

484
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: State and Wazoo. Yep, that's the stretch. So I think

485
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Speaker 2: there are land mines here. And I don't think Washington

486
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: is a finished product, which worries me a little bit

487
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Speaker 2: on behalf of Washington, which no Washington fan wants me

488
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Speaker 2: to be on their behalf. I think it's tricky. I

489
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: think the Michigan State it's going to be a big

490
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Speaker 2: test in terms of environment, because I don't think Michigan

491
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: State is all that great. But it's a revenge spot

492
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Speaker 2: at home. It's the first big game of the season

493
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Speaker 2: for the Spartans. Boise State loves playing spoiler against pac

494
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: twelve schools traditionally speaking, and you know again occult forces.

495
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Speaker 2: But all things considered, missing UCLA, you'd rather than miss

496
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Speaker 2: somebody else other than Colorado because that would have been

497
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Speaker 2: what looks to be a pseudo layup. Right now, Washingtons

498
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Speaker 2: in a good place. They're in a good place. They

499
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Speaker 2: should Again, that number is what would you say, nine

500
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Speaker 2: and a half.

501
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Speaker 1: Yeah, over under for Washington this year, coming off of

502
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Speaker 1: what they did last season nine wins.

503
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Speaker 2: I think they're in a good place. I think they're

504
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: in a good place. I'd like to see more from

505
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: that defense.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you me and the rest of Washington Nation,

507
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Speaker 1: Husky Nation.

508
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: Because again they'll have USC, Utah, Oregon State, Oregon, Arizona

509
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: in terms of obviously going to have decent, two very

510
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: good offenses. So that's the concern right now. But again,

511
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: if you're Washington fan, you got to be happy about

512
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: those games coming to Seattle. And by those games, I

513
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: mean Utah, Oregon great place.

514
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Stanford. The Stanford situation, huh, and I'm reminded

515
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of wedding crashers. What is our situation, Dad, Well,

516
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell you Dan, I'll tell you what it is.

517
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Speaker 1: Stanford has road games at Hawaii, USC, Colorado, Wazoo, and

518
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: Oregon State, which isn't too shabby. They do play Oregon, UCLA,

519
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: Washington and Notre Dame at home. It is not necessarily

520
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: a blistering slate. But it's a new coach, it's a

521
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: new quarterback. It's a lot of not really knowing what

522
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: to expect. It's a lot of the baggage from what

523
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: we've seen out of a Stanford program that's been in

524
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: decline over the last couple of years, and it's an

525
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: over under of three as a starting point. So I

526
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Speaker 1: look at this and I don't see an obvious path before.

527
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I have enough information to say

528
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: much of anything about Stanford at this point. You may

529
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Speaker 1: have more information than I, but by and large, just

530
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: without all of the additional context and baggingto what we've

531
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: come to know about the Stanford program as of late.

532
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: On the surface, the schedule has decent enough buffers. It's

533
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: not like there's a murderer's row, right. The road games

534
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: aren't terrible. But you just know that there's this other

535
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: dimension to the analysis here that we need to get into,

536
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: which is why I expect that none of us are

537
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Speaker 1: going to want to go Stanford over.

538
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess if you value Troy Taylor, the new

539
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: head coach, and you value that David Shaw was a

540
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: good coach, but near the end just couldn't get it

541
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 2: figured out and couldn't find ways to produce an explosive

542
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: offense in the passing game consistently couldn't find ways to

543
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: build a defense. You know, everything was just off at

544
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: stand for these past few years. Even with like a

545
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: weirdly up twenty twenty, I want to say they won

546
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: some games. I I guess you just have to be

547
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 2: a deep, sleeping believer on Stanford this year that you

548
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: can find the wins with what Hawaii sack State. Look,

549
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: there are teams on this schedule that are deeply flat. Like,

550
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: I don't think the Arizona defense is going to be

551
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: as bad as it was last year. But the game

552
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: is at home, it's after sack State. Who knows, Maybe

553
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: Arizona's looking ahead to what they have U DUB and

554
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: USC the next couple weeks after that. So they're in

555
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: kind of a nice look ahead situation with this schedule.

556
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: And so look, they're at Colorado after a bye, they're

557
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: at Wazoo. I think in a stretch of games that

558
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: Wazoo is seeing as winnable. But I don't know. There's

559
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: Sandwich right there in the middle. I don't hate this schedule.

560
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: Cal could be really bad. They we'll get there, but

561
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: they made changes on offense at the hard What Jake

562
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: Spavital talk about.

563
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Cal next, I got all sorts of Cal thoughts.

564
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: But this is sort of a wing in a prayer

565
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: because again, not many people even cover Stanford football, so

566
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: information is scant out there.

567
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: Their college football is North Korea. They can't get info

568
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: out man weird Cal Cal, Yeah, Cal, I've got listed.

569
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: Is my most interesting team in the Pac twelve. Okay,

570
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: in terms of schedule for starters, they're likely starting quarterback

571
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: is a TCU transfer named Sam Jackson, which we will

572
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: cherish and love and never forget to remind you of never.

573
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: Who just came in. I think Ben Finley transferred him

574
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: from ENCI State after spring.

575
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: I want to say I hope that they go with

576
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: Sam Jackson. Okay, okay, don't rain on my parade. Sorry,

577
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: I want Sam Jackson. We all want Sam Jackson. But okay,

578
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: you also mentioned about Jake Savatall. Last year's offense was

579
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: slow and it's stunk, and so they hired Spavatol to

580
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: come in and he wants to play super fast. To

581
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: be fair, this version of the offense could also stink

582
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: if the offensive line does not improve. It was not

583
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: very good last year, but at least they're trying. They're

584
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: trying to make it different. They're trying to make it better.

585
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: The defense notably took a really big step back last

586
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: year as well. They had almost no pass rush, so

587
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: they tried to patch up a couple of their holes

588
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: in the portal. We'll see if that helps. There is

589
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: a world in which the offense really stinks again, but

590
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: it's quicker and that stresses out a defense that has

591
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: depth concerns in the whole thing goes bust. That's a possibility,

592
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: or it could get better. I have not done the

593
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: full deep dive on Cal football. There will be a

594
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: time and place for that, maybe in the latter stages

595
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: of July or through the early part of August. But

596
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: I would consider putting maybe one monthly mortgage payment on

597
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: the under right now, Right now, it's sitting I think

598
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: at three and a half. Four and a half, excuse me,

599
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: four and a half is the over under. They're on

600
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: the road at Washington, on the road at Utah, on

601
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: the road at Oregon. They've got Auburn in week two.

602
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: I count two wins on this schedule that feel like

603
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: sure bets in. That's it. But there is a gumpy

604
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: quality here? Is there? Not? Did you look at this?

605
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: There is absolutely.

606
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: There's a col sandwich situation that we should talk about.

607
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: That's a light job sandwich. I mean really like a

608
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: dynamite legit sandwich. Sandwiched in between Utah and USC for Oregon,

609
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: sandwiched in between Utah and UCLA for Oregon State, sandwiched

610
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: in between Utah and Washington for USC, sandwiched in between

611
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: road games for Washington at Michigan State at Arizona, and

612
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: then we've got an open face situation for Utah a

613
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: week before they play USC. I saw this as well,

614
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: So look, four and a half's a bigger number than

615
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: I expected. I don't feel great about that number, but

616
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: I think Cal will be very interesting because of the

617
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: new offense, because of weird situations, because I think that

618
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: this is probably like they got to make it fly

619
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: this year. Otherwise I don't know what it means for

620
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: Justin Wilcox.

621
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Speaker 2: Yeah, missing Arizona and Colorado's tough because you want to

622
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: load up on those winnable defenses, especially if you're a

623
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: team like Cal and you want.

624
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: To hit that over.

625
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: You want the schedule to be as advantageous defensively as

626
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: humanly possible. If you're a team that struggles on offense,

627
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: but your point is well taken because look, even though

628
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: they lose what they had two good receivers last year.

629
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: One of them left for UCLA. I believe J Michael Sturtevant.

630
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: I still think, without doing a deep dive on this

631
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: roster that they might be all right. Okay, Justin Wilcox

632
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: performs in September, so maybe you can't. They have Auburn, right.

633
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: They do have Auburn, and you said when we did

634
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: our SEC preview that you wouldn't count Auburn beating Cal

635
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: as a sure thing.

636
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: Cal. Again, this is traditional, this is different rosters, different times,

637
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: different opponents. But Justin Wilcox didn't win a bunch of

638
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: games early on in his career, but seem to exclusively

639
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 2: win September games, like his non conference record. I think

640
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, Cal, I mean, I understand the reason now,

641
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: but they've been overlooked traditionally. They've beaten some big time

642
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: programs in September and then collapsed or had injury issues

643
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: during the PAC twelve season. We'll see. I just don't

644
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 2: think they're in a great place right now.

645
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: They are interesting, though I did list them as one

646
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: of my more interesting teams.

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Speaker 2: Situationally, interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because of the sandwiches in the in the Pac twelve. Hey,

649
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Speaker 1: congrats to Ryan Shelby, Jimmy Heaters, and and Andy Jennings

650
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Speaker 1: who answered our trivia question correctly from the newsletter. The

651
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Speaker 1: question was in twenty twenty two. The leading rusher and

652
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: tackler on this Power five team shared the same last name.

653
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656
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Speaker 1: Should we talk about Colorado now.

657
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Speaker 2: Let's have the Colorado conversation.

658
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Let's have the Colorado conversation. Colorado is in a very

659
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: interesting spot. We know about the roster turnover. That's not

660
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: going to help, especially since in the first month of

661
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: the season they're at TCU home against Nebraska, There's a

662
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: Colorado State game, which hopefully they'll win, and then they're

663
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Speaker 1: at Oregon and home versus USC in the month of September.

664
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Speaker 1: That's not easy. Colorado, it occurred to me, is sort

665
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: of like the anti Forest Gump this year. With the

666
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: exception of their game against Arizona and maybe Wazoo, they

667
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: pretty much go an entire season without catching anyone in

668
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: a really advantageous spot. Look at this, It is truly

669
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Speaker 1: remarkable that, outside of all the other factors that are

670
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Speaker 1: working against them, in many cases, we could at least

671
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: lean on the schedule we did with Arizona State. You

672
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: can't do that with Colorado. In almost every game, a

673
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: team looks like they'll be loaded for bear, ready to

674
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Speaker 1: destroy them by about fifty points.

675
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Speaker 2: All it's true, I know, so you're over unders three.

676
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm not touching that. I want Colorado to be good

677
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: and interesting and be back on the road to becoming

678
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: like a blue blood program. But man, wow, I don't

679
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: see it with the schedule. It's not ideal.

680
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: Frankly, all right, So which games you have down here?

681
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: Is winnable and stretch for this tye, stretch for it winnable?

682
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: Colorado State's winnable. Stanford I think is winnable. Nebraska. I

683
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: don't know what Nebraska's.

684
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: Going to look like, but that, yeah, that's one, yep,

685
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: Arizona State. At that's what I have down Arizona five.

686
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: I have Nebraska, Colorado State, Asu, Stanford, Arizona. I'm not

687
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: saying they're winning those games. I'm saying because of the

688
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: new because of the overhauled nature of both Colorado and

689
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: a couple of those programs they're ASU and Nebraska, that

690
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: there is a world in which the game is fifty

691
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Speaker 1: to fifty and Colorado ends up on top. So five

692
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: is the like scaffolding number. So then you're saying to yourself,

693
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: at ASU is going to be tough, Nebraska is going

694
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: to be super well coached, even if the roster isn't

695
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: there in near one, bring in a bunch of plays

696
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: who didn't really see the field of Georgia, lose a

697
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: couple quarterbacks and what Casey Thompson and Logan's smothers both left.

698
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: It's just very new, especially in that quarterback room. And Stanford.

699
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: We just talked about Arizona again. I think they're going

700
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: to have an improvement and improved defense, but not crazy.

701
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: I think that's the best we can hope for. Is

702
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: a miraculous five and seven for Colorado. A five and

703
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: seven campaign in year one would be truly miraculous. Yeah,

704
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: that would be miraculous. I don't I don't see it,

705
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 1: and I'm dismayed that the schedule hasn't done them more

706
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: favors here.

707
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Speaker 2: They get USC on a second straight road game. I

708
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: think the same for Oregon State. Yes, yeah, they get

709
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: Arizona after their feticiny stretch, which is excuse me, Oklahoma's Oklahoma,

710
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: Oregon State, UCLA at Colorado, that's Arizona's Fetchini stretch. Their

711
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: own is at UCLA, Oregon State, Arizona at Wazoo on

712
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: a Friday night, and then at Utah finish at finish

713
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: things out. They get Wazoo after a short week, and

714
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: that's Wazoo coming off a road game, like I mentioned

715
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: at the.

716
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Speaker 1: Top, and before the Apple Cup, which and.

717
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: Before the Apple Cup.

718
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Speaker 1: So I just situationally, yeah, I mean I could see

719
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: that one. I could see that one. The two that

720
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: I called out were the Wazoo game m hm and

721
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: the Arizona game. But otherwise it's I don't know, Colorado's

722
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: in a very very tough spot. Multitude of reasons.

723
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Speaker 2: Definitely, all right, let's talk about USC. Okay, let's talk

724
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: to USC.

725
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: USC. It's great that they start with San Jose State,

726
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: Nevada and Stanford.

727
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

728
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: Comfy, nice and comfy. It gives them time to car blowed, I.

729
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: Ate more fetini alfredo and drink less water than I

730
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Speaker 3: have in my entire life.

731
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Speaker 1: They're gonna need as much Fetichini alfredo they can as

732
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: they down before they get to October and November, because

733
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Speaker 1: the back half of this schedule is a tester. If

734
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Speaker 1: they make it through this undefeated, they should be the

735
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Speaker 1: number one team in the country. Okay, I don't think

736
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: they will. I don't think they've they've got the defense

737
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: to do it. But if they make it through this undefeated,

738
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Speaker 1: they should be number one, all things being equal, if

739
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: there are other undefeated teams, what have you. This is

740
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: a really tough schedule, and I've got it listed as

741
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: maybe the toughest in the conference. After that opening stretch

742
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Speaker 1: where they've got San Jose State, Nevada, Stanford, they go

743
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: on a buy because they play leak zero, and even

744
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: even after coming off of that buy, just to close

745
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: out September, they're at Arizona State at Colorado. Okay, big deal.

746
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: Week six home against Arizona is still not terrible. But

747
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: the remaining six games here are tough. At Notre Dame

748
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: home against Utah at Cow, which is one of those

749
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: Cows sandwiches, back home against Washington at Oregon back home home,

750
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: and air quotes against UCLA.

751
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: So it's home, It's home.

752
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: I know. This is all to say that we will

753
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: know a lot more about USC by December, and it

754
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: may not be until the first week of December that

755
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: we know exactly what we've got here with with the Trojans,

756
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: because from week seven on is when we will find

757
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: out what they're made of, and we will find out

758
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: if the defense has improved, we will find out the

759
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: limits of what Cale Williams can do on his own.

760
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: But again, that stretch of Notre Dame, Utah, Cal Washington, Oregon,

761
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: UCLA will be brutal. And if USC emerges from this,

762
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: nobody can try to make the argument, oh, they played

763
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve schedule. Ah, they played. Nobody is a

764
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: tough slate man. This is really tough.

765
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 2: It's also just in terms of offensive ceiling, if we

766
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: are to believe right now in what late May, that

767
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: defense is still very much to be an issue. Even

768
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: if they're improved and they've added some some interesting pieces,

769
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: it's at their best an operating Sam Hartman Notre Dame

770
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 2: offense that should have a much higher ceiling than they've

771
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: had recently. A healthy cam rising what I think will

772
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: be an improved cal offense with Jake's bavitall.

773
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, it'll be faster, it'll be faster. We

774
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: know it'll be faster. Yeah, whatever happens, it'll be fast,

775
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: it'll be faster. It's Pennix, it's Bonix, it's Chip Kelly,

776
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: and I guess for them, if they're able to pseudo

777
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: make it through unscathed. They have the bye week before

778
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: the pactical championship game in this new divisionless conference. So yes,

779
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: if they're able to weather that storm. Yeah, hats off

780
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: to the Trojans. I don't know how I feel about it, frankly, Okay,

781
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna, as a Notre Dame fan come on

782
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: the air here and say I'm really rooting for USC

783
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: this year. That would be disingenuous. It's never really a

784
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: thing deep down into my core. But this this slate

785
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: will be a tester. We will find out how they've

786
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: grown in the off season.

787
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing.

788
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, starting in Week seven, So last.

789
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 2: Year on the road, Okay, you're ready, three point win,

790
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: one point loss, late eight point win, which was good.

791
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: It's still good to wins better than losing. Snuck away

792
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: with a three point win despite looking like they were

793
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: going to lose, lose in the championship game, Kayleb Williams

794
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: gets hurt. They are just destroyed by Utah, lose last

795
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: second away from home to lane in the bowl game.

796
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 2: This year on the road, USC has asu winnable, Colorado winnable,

797
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: Notre Dame real tough, Cal absolutely winnable, Oregon real tough

798
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: Oddson Stadium. So it's not even just that back half slate.

799
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: It's that there's just getting Notre Dame and Oregon on

800
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: the road in that stretch is going to be an

801
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: added test for an SC team last year that struggled

802
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 2: now without a couple of huge pieces on offense that

803
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: helped to bail them out at times.

804
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: If I told you now that USC beat Cal in

805
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: the middle of that Fetichini Alfredo plate whenever they play,

806
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: you know, late in the season, if they beat them

807
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: fifty one to fifty in a shootout, I think that's

808
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: totally believable.

809
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: You would get last year fifty against Cal. They beat

810
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: Cal forty one thirty five.

811
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Last year in a bit of a shoot I know,

812
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: I know, so wild, I don't know. I think it's

813
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: going to be a really interesting slate for them.

814
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing, too, is as you look at

815
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: that run of games again, I'm giving you reasons to

816
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: be skeptical of USC. Another one might be the universe

817
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: and how turnover numbers work out and regress into a

818
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: more regular number, and that could be costly for USC.

819
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: We're also not respecting in our conversation right now that

820
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 2: at any given moment, Caleb Williams can perform magic and

821
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: there is no other quarterback in this conference, maybe in

822
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: the country, that can single handedly will his team to wins.

823
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 2: We didn't think are possible, were possible whatever, Like Caleb

824
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: Williams can, agreed, and so that's why. And I think

825
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: your sentiment is true. But I just I think we've

826
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: we've skipped over that fact that no matter what this

827
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 2: schedule looks like, no matter what this back half looks like,

828
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: they have a superhero. And there are like three and

829
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: a half teams who can kind of sort of boast

830
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: that at any position, let alone quarterback.

831
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Speaker 1: No, that's fair, that's fair. I'm glad you brought that up. Yeap,

832
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: Washington State. The good news is no USC and no Utah.

833
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: Yep. The bad news is that.

834
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: This schedule is kind of a joke.

835
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: It's real.

836
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: It's the first two times I studied this, I swear

837
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: I counted eight road games.

838
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough.

839
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: It's tough. And then it does kind of feel like

840
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: they have more road games than they should. There are

841
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: only six, but five of them are after Week five,

842
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: which means that I believe they've only got three home

843
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: games through the months of October and November. Yeah, so

844
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: what we'll know about Wazoo by December is that they

845
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: have a lot more travel miles on their accounts. One

846
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: of their home games, also of note, is in September

847
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: against New Look Wisconsin, so that is not a gimme

848
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: by any stretch of the imagination. I'm looking at this schedule,

849
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 1: I'm seeing an over under a six and a half.

850
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: I feel comfortable.

851
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: With three wins, with four wins, with seven, I don't

852
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: think so, Dan, Where are seven wins coming from on

853
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 4: this thing?

854
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. They lost a lot of guys. It

855
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: was not a great portal year players or coaches for Wazoo.

856
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: They have a quarterback who I don't think I'm as

857
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: high on as I think the consensuses and cam Ward

858
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: and you were at least at the beginning of last year.

859
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: Defense performed last year. I didn't hate their defense last year,

860
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: and so I like that at least as an entry point.

861
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 2: And as much as you are looking at this as

862
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: a like murderer's row, and it is at times, I'm

863
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: also not crazy about a lot of these teams on

864
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: the schedule, Like Wazoo is not in the most stable

865
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: of places, but I think they're a quality team. And

866
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: when you look at like where Cal and Stanford and

867
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: ASU in Arizona, Colorado, Ucla, even a lot of these

868
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: teams have recently, as in last year, done something catastrophically

869
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: and abysmally not a word, but they've just been abysmal

870
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: at something. And if Wazuo is merely a competent, quality

871
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: team even with this tough schedule, wins to be had.

872
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: That's my devil's advocate. I'm still worried, very much worried.

873
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: We just found out that they're like over budget. They're

874
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: implementing a hiring freeze, not essential travel and purchases and

875
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 2: more is being curtailed because of PAC twelve weirdness. I mean,

876
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: that's not a Wazoo thing, it's a wau.

877
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: Got the headlines, but I don't know, just weird vibes

878
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: for me, and I get what you're saying. It's not

879
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: like it's not like we're looking at this and we're saying, oh,

880
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: watch out for Colorado on a Friday, right, just seems

881
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: like a lot that they're on the road five times

882
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: down the stretch, not home through like the meat of

883
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: their schedule. I don't know. I don't like that.

884
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: I mean, is it like, you don't have to be

885
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: faster than the bear, you have to be faster than

886
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: the guy next to you, than your buddy. Yeah, right,

887
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: And so you don't have to be great, you just

888
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: have to be a little bit better than Arizona or

889
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: ASU or Stanford or cal or Colorado. Like as much

890
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: as they're on the road, Like how many people are

891
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 2: going to be at the Rose Bowl for the UCLA game?

892
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: How many UCLA fans are going to show up for

893
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: the Wazoo game in the middle of the season twenty

894
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 2: three thousand? Probably not right? And so I just think

895
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: you just have to be better than the UCLA defense.

896
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 2: You just have to be better than the ASU offense.

897
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 2: You just have to be better than the Colorado defense.

898
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: You just have to be better than the cal offense,

899
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: like I don't know. I think I understand that number.

900
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: All right, well that makes one of us. Yeah, you

901
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: mentioned UCLA. I like the schedule. No, no, no, no, I adore

902
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: this schedule.

903
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: I I would do sensual things to this schedule. I

904
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: would nibble on this schedule's ears. Okay, okay, okay, all right, continue.

905
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: Eight and a half see over under Why are you

906
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: feeling such vapors? I don't know.

907
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 2: For the schedule, as you mentioned, their non conference is

908
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 2: what Coastal Carolina, San Diego State, North Carolina Central, they

909
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 2: don't have, no. Sanford has Notre Dame, North Carolina Central,

910
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: Coastal Carolina, San Diego State. On the road, like two

911
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: hours down the road. It's not bad. It's a bus ride.

912
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: It's at Utah, which for sure will be quite difficult.

913
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 2: But again that's week four. We don't know cam Rising's

914
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: knee status. Then and then road wise at Oregon State

915
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: buffered by a Wazoo team, you're not interested in not

916
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: or twenty one four hundred and twelve people at the

917
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 2: Rose Bowl at Oregon State's tough. At Stanford less tough.

918
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: Not a lot of people going to be at that game.

919
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a lot of people at Stanford

920
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 2: games in general. This year. A Colorado team at home

921
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: that I don't think is going to be the most

922
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: difficult thing in the world. Chip Kelly is just going

923
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: to run straight at them. At Arizona, they lost this

924
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: game last year. It's in the desert. It's tricky. I

925
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: understand we're still talking about Arizona ASU at USC so, Yes,

926
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: it's a road game and that it's not in their

927
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: home stadium, but also they were right there to win

928
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 2: that game last year. USC needed a great defensive lineman

929
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 2: interception to seal that game. And they get a Cal

930
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: team at home after that, and that's both a post

931
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: rivalry game for Cal and UCLA. I believe that's after

932
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: the game that Cal has obviously every year with Stanford.

933
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: So Ucla missus Oregon and Washington. Is that what I'm

934
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: reading correctly on the schedule?

935
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: Your corrector?

936
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: Nice little duo Ucla beat Washington last year. Of course,

937
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 2: I just if this were the schedule last year, we'd

938
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: likely be talking about a ten and two Ucla during

939
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 2: the regular season. It's just UCLA is not built this

940
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: year to go ten and two, But I don't know.

941
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: I think that schedule kind of rules ty.

942
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Yeah, I jotted down sleeping Giants.

943
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: No, I'm not there because I'm you know, are they

944
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: going to start a true freshman at quarterback? Are they

945
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: going to start like a perennial backup? And Ethan Garber's like,

946
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: I just I don't know. I don't think they have

947
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: the the firepower the firepower at quarterback this year. I

948
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: don't love their offensive line. I think their defense, They've

949
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: got a couple of like interesting good dudes, but I

950
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 2: don't think they have the depth to do anything special

951
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: this year. They're gonna lose one or two dumb games,

952
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: but I think the schedule will buffer that final record nicely.

953
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: Vegas believes in Oregon State with a win total of eight.

954
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: The question Dan is do you do you believe in

955
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: your hated rival, the Oregon State Beavers.

956
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 2: Okay, so they open with four winnable games San Jose State,

957
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 2: UC Davis, San Diego State, at Wazoo. They beat Wazoo

958
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: last year, so it's winnable even though it's tough to

959
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: play in the police. They have Utah at home on

960
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: a Friday, right and They're at Wazoo the week before.

961
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 2: Who's at Wazoo the week before Oregon State?

962
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: If you're talking about Oregon State, Oregon State's got a

963
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: run here of San Jose State on the road. You

964
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 1: see Davis San Diego State to open. Then they go

965
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: to Wazoo in week four.

966
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: So they've got road before Friday. That's what I'm telling you.

967
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: That was something I road before Friday.

968
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: Excuse me, road before Friday before they go to before

969
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: the boy. They come back home against Utah for the

970
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: Friday night game, and they go on the road again

971
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: the following week against cal.

972
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: Both Washington and Oregon, and that's Oregon on the road

973
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: are buffered and Oregon has that short week at ASU.

974
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, they miss USC, they miss Asu. Oregon State,

975
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: would you say their number was?

976
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: Man?

977
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 2: I think they can get it. I trust Jonathan Smith

978
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: implicitly to run an efficient offense. I think DJU will

979
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: be better. We'll see on Aiden Childs. By the way,

980
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 2: they have a freshman quarterback who might be like very

981
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: low key special defense improved, lose a couple key pieces.

982
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 2: The secondary was so good last year, but they bring

983
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: back a number of interesting pieces. Yeah, I think they

984
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: can win eight games.

985
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: Here's you here's the thing about the schedule. Their toughest

986
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: road games are at Wazoo, at Arizona, and at Oregon

987
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: or Friday, the rivalry game, relatively speaking, and I underlined

988
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: relatively because you know, Stanford's got a strong case, but

989
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: they're starting from scratch this year, and every team's kind

990
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 1: of coming at this from a different spot relatively speaking.

991
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: I think it's the easiest road slate in the Pac

992
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: twelve in that it's to my eye, far less difficult

993
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: than some of the other situations around the conference. And

994
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: I think it's manageable for Oregon State. I don't think

995
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: anybody else really comes close to it. Utah, Ucla, and

996
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: Washington all those games are at home, which those are

997
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: tough opponents, but they're at home. And that's how full

998
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: in Oregon State and corvellis can sometimes be weird.

999
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

1000
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: I like what Oregon State did last year. I like

1001
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: it a lot. Defense was solid. They somehow won nine

1002
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: games with an accounting firm of Ben Goldbrandsen and Chance

1003
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: Nolan quarterback. If you are a DJU or just otherwise

1004
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: a quarterback believer at Oregon State, that that's going to

1005
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: take their offense next level. This sets up pretty well

1006
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: for that, it really does. Eight wins is not over aggressive.

1007
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: Eight wins feels like about the right number. But just

1008
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: given the way the schedule sets.

1009
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: Up, I could great schedule.

1010
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: I could. I could see throwing a few shekels on

1011
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: the over here. And now we all get to me

1012
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: about it. You go back to the occult forces. This

1013
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 1: is an Oregon State program, at least under Mike Riley

1014
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,959
Speaker 1: losing the San Jose State or U see it even

1015
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: with good teams, And even with good teams, I know,

1016
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to say those games.

1017
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: I know San Diego State I feel less confident in

1018
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 2: than beating Oregon State in Corvallis. So let's say that

1019
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: Oregon State. If I were to tell you, I can't

1020
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: tell you the record, I can't tell you how it happens.

1021
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 2: But if future me visited this show and says Oregon

1022
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: State is legit pretty good, that's all that you have about.

1023
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: Dan from the Future comes back to May and says,

1024
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: I come from January of twenty twenty four, and I

1025
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,439
Speaker 2: can tell you Oregon State is legit pretty good, if

1026
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: not good at times? How many sims. Having that information,

1027
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: how many universe simulations out of one hundred is Oregon

1028
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: State ten and oh heading into Washington and Oregon? So

1029
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 2: beating Utah and UCLI essentially would be the big questions

1030
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 2: in that scenario.

1031
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: Forty forty forty out of one hundred.

1032
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: Forty out of one hundred. If they're pretty good going

1033
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: ten and oh I was in on like seventeen thirteen

1034
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 2: to seventeen simulations out of one hundred thirty. Wow, So

1035
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: that tells me that your interpretation of Oregon State as

1036
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: pretty good to legit good, is.

1037
00:56:55,640 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: You're all in on Oregon State. Sure, I fully understood

1038
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: your question.

1039
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is if the information that you

1040
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: have without detail is that Oregon State is pretty good

1041
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: too at times legit good, Yeah, that what that looks

1042
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: like in your brain is really impressive. Well, what if

1043
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: in the context of Oregon State.

1044
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what it looks like Obviously it's winning

1045
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: the very winnable games that we outlined. Yeah, but if

1046
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: we're talking about ten and Oh, we're talking about UCLA

1047
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: and Utah, can they beat UCLA and Utah Short week

1048
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: Utah Friday Night Short week Utah?

1049
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: Don't know?

1050
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: The status of cam raising that would be a bit

1051
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: of a grinder. But games at home that they could

1052
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: win that game, You've seen Utah lose games like that,

1053
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: definitely beat UCLA. You know, with the UCLA's defensive issues,

1054
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: if Oregon State can get its defense playing a little

1055
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: bit better and sure, you know, if they can take

1056
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: their offense next level to score with UCLA, I think

1057
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: it's doable. So I don't I don't think it's far

1058
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: fetch that they would start ten and oh. I don't

1059
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: think it's likely, Okay, but I don't think it's far

1060
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: fetched at all. So for me to say forty or

1061
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: thirty out of one hundred simulations, No, that doesn't feel

1062
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: like it's too big of a stretch at all.

1063
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: I'm at eight and four with them overall, eight and four.

1064
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna take care of business more consistently

1065
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 2: than Oregon State teams have over these past few years

1066
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 2: against teams that they should beat, and they'll jump up

1067
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: and beat. I think they'll they'll go. I think they'll

1068
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: split UCLA and Utah.

1069
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Yeah, looking at this schedule,

1070
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: what is the dumb loss that will annoy Oregon State

1071
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: fans when they look back, if future tie comes back

1072
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Speaker 1: and says they had a great thing going until this

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00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: game and after that point, fans were very frustrated that

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00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 1: they lost.

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Speaker 2: It at Cal or at Colorado. Yeah, at cal because

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00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: it's sandwiched, right, it is sandwich on the road, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know that game could be like a you know,

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00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: ten pm Eastern time kickoff, and at Colorado because Colorado

1079
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: has I have you silly other week before. But it's

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00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: just one of those one of those games where you know,

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00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 2: maybe Oregon State just doesn't have it and it's on

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00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: the road, it's at altitude, you know how. I'm a

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00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: big believer in that. Yeah, So yeah, I would. I

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00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: would put that as like they have a good season,

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00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: but they lost to Dion and you're like, oh I

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00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: need a shout. Yeah all right.

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Speaker 1: In closing here, as you look through all of the

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00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: schedules for each of these twelve teams, did it change

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00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: your opinion or your projections or opinions on how things

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00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: are going to shake out this year?

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00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: Well? I not. Again, We've talked about cam Raising's knee

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00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: way too much, but no, not especially I think Washington

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00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 2: looking at their schedule, if they're undefeated going into the

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00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 2: bye week, I think they're going to be crazy difficult

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00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: in the back half, even having Oregon usc Utah in there.

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Speaker 2: If they're undefeated there, I think, I think they're going

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Speaker 2: to be in a good place. No, I think there

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01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: are just too many teams here with new coaches or

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Speaker 2: fully overhauling things in ways. I was just like, I

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Speaker 2: have no idea what to expect from ASU or Colorado

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01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: or Stanford. Like, I think there is going to be

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Speaker 2: a team that is like last year's Oregon State that

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Speaker 2: is written off as being so so and is actually dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Who that team is? I lean Arizona, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: positive yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, all too often, the best compliment you

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Speaker 1: could give any team when looking at this schedule in

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01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: May is not really saying much about them at all. Right,

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Speaker 1: I think Arizona falls into that category. I think Oregon

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: falls into that category as well. You know, I'm high

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01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: on UCLA because of the schedule, you are, too. I

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01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: like Washington's, I like Oregon States. I think Col's is

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01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: interesting because of situations and some changing dynamics. Those are

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01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: teams that I came away from this more interested in.

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01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I necessarily change my opinion about

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01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: how successful they'll end up being on a Saturday afternoon.

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01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: But again, if you come out of this, no notes

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01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: looks okay to me. Generally, I think if we did

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01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: the math on on how we've done over the course

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Speaker 1: of our stay here as podcasters, we would find that

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Speaker 1: the teams that we have the least amount to say

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01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: about they generally end up doing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Am I losing my mind? Or did we not

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Speaker 2: talk about Arizona? I don't know if we talked about Arizona?

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Speaker 2: Did we not? I don't think we did, because you

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01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: said that's a compliment to a team quietly jumping up,

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01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: we don't recall. I don't recon I think I went

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Speaker 2: into a fugue state if we did, because I have

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Speaker 2: Arizona schedule thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm sorry Arizona people. Let's knock out Arizona

1131
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: right here. Five and a half over under?

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01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I feel like I would have talked about

1133
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: Mississippi State and like they've got incredible home road splits?

1134
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 2: Do they not? They do?

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01:01:59,000 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: So?

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01:01:59,280 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: My first thought after looking at this was I'm not

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01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: sure how they get the six wins since the over unders. Okay,

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01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: it is not that brutal of a slate though, and

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01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: I'd probably put it fair to say in like the

1141
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: lower half of the league in terms of difficulty. Yeah,

1142
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: they miss Oregon, they miss Oregon, and over assumes that

1143
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: they go four to zero against Northern Arizona, UTEP, Stanford,

1144
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: and Colorado, and that they're stealing two more along the

1145
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: way from the following slate at Mississippi State home against Washington,

1146
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: at USC at Wazoo home against Oregon State, UCLA and Utah,

1147
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: and on the road at ASU. They do catch USC

1148
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: a week before USA USC excuse me, plays Notre Dame

1149
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: on the road, and they also get Utah at home

1150
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 1: a week after Utah plays Washington. I think six is

1151
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: asking a lot, but this team just scares me. They

1152
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: frighten me because I feel like there's a lot of

1153
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: a lot of potential energy here that we can't quite

1154
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: always account for.

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01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: Watch out for Team AC this year, That's all I'm

1156
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: telling you. Watch out for Team AC. I Okay, so

1157
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: this is a good question of do you want your

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01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: winnable games at home or on the road. For Arizona

1159
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 2: as they try to take the next step it's great

1160
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: that their home road splits are Look, they're at USC

1161
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, but getting Washington, Ucla, Oregon State, and

1162
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Speaker 2: Utah all in Tucson. If I'm reading the schedule correctly,

1163
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Speaker 2: that's great. From a can Arizona beat good teams, Well,

1164
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: I think they're more likely to beat those good teams

1165
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: in Tucson than they are on the road. But also,

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01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 2: if I'm Arizona and I'm trying to get to seven wins,

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Speaker 2: six seven wins, get back to Bowl eligibility, I want

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Speaker 2: to load up the home slate with winnable games. And

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Speaker 2: that's where I'm a little bit worried, which I think

1170
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 2: echoes what you're saying, where it's just like, get those tough.

1171
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Speaker 2: If you're going to lose those games, If you're likely

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01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 2: going to lose those games, you might as well lose

1173
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 2: them on the road. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a matter of where you're coming from.

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01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: If you're Arizona and you want to get to a

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01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: Bowl game, I think you want to try and have

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Speaker 1: as many of the easy ones as home as you

1178
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: as possible.

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Speaker 2: If you're a team.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know, it depends on your aspiration. Yeah,

1181
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: if you're Georgia and you're playing the same teams. It's

1182
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: helpful to have them on the road. At least he

1183
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: could say, well, we played UTEP but it was on

1184
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: the road. You know, we played Washington but it was

1185
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: on the road. That type of thing. I would just

1186
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: want the wins, however, I could get them and a

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01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: I think it's asking a lot that they go four

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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 1: to zero against those four teams. I don't think that's

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01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: a given. I like Arizona a lot, but don't I

1190
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 1: don't think we can necessarily just go to the bank

1191
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: with four wins. And of those other games, I believe

1192
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: they're good enough to win two of those and get

1193
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: to the over. I just don't know which ones they are.

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: There are some pretty good teams. Can they beat ASU

1195
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: in the rivalry? Yeah, they can beat ASU in the rivalry,

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01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: But going to Wazoo, I don't know. It starts to

1197
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 1: get a little hairy. Are they going to knock off

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Speaker 1: Washington or us C or UCLA. It starts to get

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Speaker 1: tougher for me to find that path to six. So

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Speaker 1: I can see five and seven, Yeah, six and six.

1201
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: I would not want that bet.

1202
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: Can I counter to the counter to the counter, please?

1203
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 2: Can you name me two good defenses on the schedule, No,

1204
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 2: at least on.

1205
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: The package state Oregon State should be fine. Utah should

1206
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: be fine.

1207
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Utah. Oregon State is to two and we were.

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01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: I think Oregon State right now is a maybe. Yeah,

1209
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 2: Mississippi State is a maybe, but a lot of change there.

1210
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: But at least on the PAC twelve portion of this schedule,

1211
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 2: starting with Stanford, two legit good defenses. I think Washington

1212
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: will be decent at times, but I think at times

1213
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 2: they are gonna look like they did against Arizona last year.

1214
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: That's the counter to the counter to the counter.

1215
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: So you're in on Arizona, You're in on Zona. I

1216
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: think I am.

1217
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: I would like Arizona better if Don Brown were still

1218
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 2: calling the defense and just blitz the hell out of

1219
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:02,480
Speaker 2: everybody like he always does. But otherwise I think so.

1220
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: I think Arizona will play offense as well as most

1221
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: teams do their best thing this year, if not better.

1222
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: Are there any other teams that I forgot in my

1223
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: hastiness to try and get this PAC twelve showover?

1224
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 2: We talked cal Stanford, Wazoo, Oregon State, Asu, Arizona, Now

1225
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 2: we did Colorado. We nibbled on UCLA's schedules. Ere did

1226
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 2: we talked to Oregon, Washington, sc and Utah? Yeah, we're good.

1227
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 2: You want to talk to San Diego State just to

1228
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 2: cover our bases by the time people listen to the

1229
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Speaker 2: show in August or something.

1230
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm excited. I'm excited for this slate of games.

1231
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: It would it would suck to me if there weren't

1232
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: a representative from this conference in the playoff. Sure it would,

1233
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: because I believe there are at least three very legit

1234
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: contenders in the PAC poll of USC and Oregon at

1235
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: the top. But then Washington would yell, hey what about

1236
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: US Utah? Depending on where they're at with Cam Rising,

1237
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: that could be another situation. We won't talk about his

1238
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: knee again. The Oregon State is lurking. UCLA has got

1239
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: a beautiful schedule. I'll play it again. Yeah, I mean,

1240
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: it really is a treasure.

1241
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1242
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: So we're talking six teams there that are very interesting

1243
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons. And so I know that

1244
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: there are a lot of folks who listen on the

1245
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: East Coast and don't care as much about West Coast football,

1246
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 1: be it because the time zones or because they're just

1247
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: not into the teams. But there's a lot to like

1248
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: this year, and I would hope folks approach the conference

1249
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: differently in twenty three.

1250
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 2: So who's the playoff team that you would have?

1251
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: Well, originally it was USC, I don't think so after

1252
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: seeing the schedule, I think it's Oregon.

1253
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, who do you Okay, do

1254
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 2: you think if everybody played the same exact schedule, who

1255
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: is built to be that playoff team?

1256
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: If everybody played the exact same schedule.

1257
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we put the all these teams in a

1258
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: bubble and they all just played each other, was best

1259
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: built to go twelve and one? Essentially, Again, you have

1260
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 2: a preview. This is just me putting you on the spot.

1261
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 2: This is just speaking from your esophagus.

1262
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: All things being equal, exact same teams. I might give

1263
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: the nod to USC because of Kalo Williams, sure, but

1264
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: that's not above Oregon.

1265
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I think I'm a little bit closer with

1266
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 2: Oregon because I think they beat Washington in Oregon state

1267
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: with a healthy bon Knicks last year. But you know,

1268
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,679
Speaker 2: if some butts are candy and nuts, if I had wheels,

1269
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 2: I'd be a bicycle. So I think Oregon's in a

1270
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 2: better place because of the defense and or at least

1271
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 2: the ceiling of the defense this year, Noah, and so

1272
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 2: the best part of Oregon and USC is Kayleb Williams.

1273
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 2: So I'm totally fine with that answer.

1274
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: Let us know what you think. We're at soliverbo at

1275
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Also on social media, we would encourage

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01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: you to reach out on Twitter, Face, Instagram, wherever, whatever

1277
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: you got, reach on out let us know your thoughts

1278
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,880
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01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,360
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01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,640
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01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,519
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Speaker 1: L L e r s dot com and sign up

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01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: to be a certified or premium for baller. It really

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01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: does help.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you one final question?

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Speaker 1: Please?

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01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on Fetichini Alfredo?

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01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: Not so much into the Alfredo sauce. Yeah, not not

1292
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: a big Alfredo sauce fan.

1293
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: You like a vodka, sa I do you like a

1294
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 2: vokas you like a cream based pasta sauce?

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01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? Not not not two gung homes a little to

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01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: one not yeah, little too yeah, little goofy Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: can't say I'm a huge fan love pasta.

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01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 2: Remember were really enjoying going to Olive Garden as a kid.

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 2: Get those breadsticks, get that, get that salad bowl going.

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Speaker 1: I still buy the Olive Garden Italian dressing not as possibility.

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Speaker 1: It's very good. Salad dressing is fantastic, all right.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember what I used to get from Olive Garden.

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 2: Maybe ravioli of some kind, but uh, fetichini alfredo not

1304
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 2: not something I see myself ordering for that guy.

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Speaker 1: Over there, my good friend Dan Ruvenstein, from my self,

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01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: tiehled Brand, thanks for walking through another conference with us.

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01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: We'll be back soon. In the mean touch, they saw

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: peace