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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. Uh. These are some of our favorite segments

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Speaker 1: from this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment

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Speaker 1: laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is

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Speaker 1: the Weekly Zeitgeist. We are joined today in our third seed.

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Speaker 1: Brilliant Guests. I consider this person one of the greats

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Speaker 1: of where of Los Angeles. Why because they come from

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Speaker 1: the San Fernando Valley, Because they know that the shit

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Speaker 1: I've learned about la from this person is unreal. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that the fucking Laurel Canyonkinga Pass. I don't

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Speaker 1: know these are all Pony Express routes. But guess we

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Speaker 1: taught me that this guest and I still think of

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Speaker 1: that to this day. You know them from their work,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Girls of Hoodies night Call. We've got

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Speaker 1: fuck a Heidi World and now the upcoming Jeno World

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Speaker 1: very close to my heart because I grew up steps

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Speaker 1: away from the Vivid Video headquarters in I guess we

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Speaker 1: call that studio Universal City, Los Angeles. Yeah, University. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's right across from from the wonderful Yeah, exactly

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Speaker 1: exactly right across from the Nissan dealership that is no

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Speaker 1: more near the in and out Burger Weregilane Maxwell was

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Speaker 1: photographed pre arrest. Let's just this is a very historical area.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the microphone. Molly Lambert.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Molly, how do you know all these la facts?

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Speaker 3: I just can't stop. I can't stop.

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Speaker 1: Journalist. I think journalists probably I would wag that maybe

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Speaker 1: the journalism brought you to intersection with these facts. Maybe

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Speaker 1: are we just that kid who was just always like

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Speaker 1: spitting nerdy facts?

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Speaker 3: I gut school and a trivia accumulator?

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Speaker 1: How did you know about? When did you learn of

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Speaker 1: like the Laurel Canyon, Kowanga Pass, Coldwater Canyon thing being

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Speaker 1: the routes for the old horse.

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I read like a thousand books about Laurel Canyon at

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Speaker 3: one point.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this makes sense.

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Speaker 3: That's part of a larger reading a thousand books about

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Speaker 3: the Manson family just to know.

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Speaker 2: Just to learn still get their Christmas cards. It's crazy family.

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Speaker 1: The Manson family just sent their card. Okay. So okay,

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Speaker 1: that's interesting. So these factors that you're talking about there

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Speaker 1: in books, Okay, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Did AI make those?

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 1: Some do? Sometimes most of these are tales. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: Molly Jenda World coming up, fantastic, fantastic series that I've

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Speaker 1: not really been able to hear. I'm only saying that

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Speaker 1: because I've lended my voice to it, and seeing all

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Speaker 1: the other amazing people that have lended their voice.

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Speaker 3: To it, I'm like, I'm excited for you to hear

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Speaker 3: it because you are literally the first voice that is heard.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, it's oh no, that's pressure now.

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Speaker 3: No, no, it's so funny. Miles place Kid rock.

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Speaker 2: Plase, Daniel day lewis ing that.

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Speaker 1: Channeling, channeling, channeling. Yeah, when's so? When's General World dropping?

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Speaker 3: October twenty seventh, Monday.

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Speaker 1: Monday, load up your fucking iPods? Okay for this podcast?

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Speaker 1: Producer Bay right there. Bay also work And everybody's everybody

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Speaker 1: giving a hand on the show.

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Speaker 3: They worked on the show. She's in the show. Everybody's

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Speaker 3: in the show.

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Speaker 4: There we go, Francesca. We do like to ask our guests,

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Speaker 4: what is something from your search history that is revealing

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Speaker 4: about who you are?

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Speaker 5: This is so embarrassing. Uh oh, I I'm a big

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Speaker 5: Cardi B fan. I have tickets to her first show

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Speaker 5: back after giving birth in February, so we'll see how

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Speaker 5: that goes. I like the new album a lot. I

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Speaker 5: think it's great. I didn't love it the first listen through,

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Speaker 5: but the second listen I was like, this is a

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Speaker 5: still very good. Anyway, I've been watching a lot of

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Speaker 5: Cardi b interviews and she was on one interview with

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Speaker 5: Angie Martinez and I was just looking at her watch

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Speaker 5: and I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, damn, that's a nice watch.

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Speaker 5: And I was like trying to zoom in and I

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Speaker 5: couldn't find you know, like, what is this watch?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 5: So I was really into the watch. It was like big,

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Speaker 5: chunky and white, and I realized, yes, I finally found it,

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Speaker 5: and it is a two point five million dollar watch.

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Speaker 5: That's some boys, some guy's name, some boys whatever.

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Speaker 1: So then.

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Speaker 5: Richard million dollar watch. Now, of course, this takes my

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Speaker 5: love of her down, because I'm like, nobody needs a

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Speaker 5: two and a half million dollar watch, you know, bah

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Speaker 5: blah blah. I'm you know, but I.

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Speaker 5: I did search chunky white watch and realized that, you know,

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Speaker 5: for the rubes out there who just want to watch,

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Speaker 5: that looks like a nice watch.

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Speaker 1: I just pointing to a chunky white watch on her

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of dupes out there here, so I'm

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Speaker 5: a total dupe and I like. I like it. It's

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Speaker 5: it's white, it's light, and it's guess.

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Speaker 1: Let me see that. Let me see that. Bring that close.

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Speaker 1: To bring that close to grandmother's eyes so I can.

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Speaker 5: Look again if you can't focus on it. But it's

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Speaker 5: like I got.

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Speaker 1: The clear guest branch. She's not asking you to guess.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me bring it close. Yeah, Richard mill

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Speaker 1: that was a joke.

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Speaker 4: If anybody laughter that joke. That was a joke from

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Speaker 4: the Brady Bunch movie that I just stole there.

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Speaker 1: So wow, where.

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Speaker 4: Those and she says guess and she goes, okay, Lee

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Speaker 4: LEVI guessing.

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Speaker 1: No it is.

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Speaker 5: I haven't bought something from guests, I think since I

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Speaker 5: was like seventeen. So this is very like. I like

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Speaker 5: the watch. It's fine, it's cute. It is definitely a like.

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Speaker 5: I saw Cardi B on an interview and I don't

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Speaker 5: have two and a half million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Funny, I did never clogged Cardi B to be one

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Speaker 1: of your style icons, because you don't dress like Cardi

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Speaker 1: B at all your energy on you.

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Speaker 5: I need some ribs removed first and putting I don't

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Speaker 5: know where else some I guess inner thigh weight into

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Speaker 5: my ass. The point is, you know the.

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Speaker 1: Ribs in your ass, your butt and just thing you know.

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Speaker 5: No, I not my satellite on. But I was needing

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Speaker 5: a new watch, and I just you know, so I

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Speaker 5: was like chunky watch and I feel like Google or

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Speaker 5: looking for a very dupe.

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Speaker 1: Hey, don't go. I mean you can find Chonky so

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Speaker 1: many people do. Like you could have found one that

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Speaker 1: is pretty much like a just a direct ripoff of that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if you really wanted to have that, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, I could, I know.

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Speaker 5: All, but that would have been like what like five

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Speaker 1: You get that shit on the gate for like fucking

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Speaker 1: like eighty bucks.

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Speaker 5: Okay, anyway, the right I don't know what the Google's dh.

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Speaker 1: Gate Okay, this is where the Chinese websites where you

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Speaker 1: get all the counterfeit merchandise.

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Speaker 4: I feel like the world of reps has been under

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Speaker 4: publicized because it is really like the very foundation of

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Speaker 4: capitalism wobbles under its weight under replicas. The most expensive

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Speaker 4: pair of shoes like the my wife, for I think

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Speaker 4: our anniversary, bought me these shoes that were like my

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Speaker 4: Grail sneakers, the Union Guaba Ice Jordan Force, and I

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Speaker 4: was wearing them. Miles was there, he can attest to

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Speaker 4: this in Las Vegas and a teenager walked up to

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Speaker 1: Goes nice reps. No, like laughed.

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Speaker 4: So not only not only like can you fool people

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Speaker 4: by getting the reps, but if you are stupid enough

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Speaker 4: to spend the money on the nice thing that you covet,

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Speaker 4: people are gonna think they're reps anyways, you might as

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Speaker 4: well just get the fucking reps.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: So he wasn't like he just clocked you with someone

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Speaker 5: who didn't wasn't able to get the rep. It was

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Speaker 5: to get the original.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just trying to because reps are so

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Speaker 1: pervasive and they look some of them are so good. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And there was a sneaker convention in town, so

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Speaker 4: he was like, but like the fact that there was

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Speaker 4: he was like he was really saying fuck you, because

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Speaker 4: he was like, look at this rube who just bought

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Speaker 4: some reps, like at the sneaker convention, you chase him out,

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Speaker 4: like no, not, they.

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Speaker 1: Were actually real. I mean, like to your point, it's

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Speaker 1: really interesting, just like because as somebody who loves sneakers

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Speaker 1: I'll buy fakes because I'm not about to pay fucking

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Speaker 1: five hundred dollars for personnager. I'll pay it a hundred

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Speaker 1: from somewhere else. Yeah, but like it it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: broken the brains of like hype beast brand focused people

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Speaker 1: the other thing. That's the whole point of it. And

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Speaker 1: Totally not because somebody just showed up with the thing

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Speaker 1: that looks like the thing that costs two thousand dollars

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Speaker 5: It's it's always I mean I'm not into Like when

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Speaker 5: if I was outside of Beijing.

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Speaker 3: They took us to a.

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Speaker 5: Place that was like, you know, number one, First of all,

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Speaker 5: you ever tried to like not buy something, you know,

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Speaker 5: like just a place that's like nothing but dupes and

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Speaker 5: reps and like whatever, like fakes, knockoff shit. It's impossible.

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Speaker 5: You cannot make eye contact with any vendors because they'll.

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Speaker 1: Be like, buy my glasses please.

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Speaker 3: Oh you saw you looking.

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Speaker 1: I saw you looking, and you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: oh my god.

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Speaker 5: But I will say, like I'm not someone who's ever

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Speaker 5: been into brands. I don't. I really don't care. Like

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Speaker 5: I understand occasionally occasionally be like, oh, like the logo whatever, whatever,

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Speaker 5: but it really is about like, no, the style is nice.

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Speaker 5: It's a nice style.

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Speaker 1: It's a well the way it looks anyway, I just

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Speaker 1: put it in the chat. Look at that dupe that's

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Speaker 1: thirteen bucks off the gate.

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Speaker 5: Shut up, Yes, this looks exactly like what I have there.

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Speaker 1: You go, you know what I mean? Yeah, save your coins,

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Speaker 1: save your coins. Question for the revolution, what is something

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Speaker 1: you think is underrated?

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Speaker 2: New York City public buses? Okay? Is it going to

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Speaker 2: take you forty five minutes to take a bus where

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Speaker 2: it could take you fifteen minutes in an uber? Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: Or you know, are you spending ten extra minutes taking

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Speaker 2: a bus instead of a subway? Yes, but like I

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Speaker 2: want to be above ground. Dare I want to see sunlight?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Do I do? I want to be on a bus

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Speaker 2: at three pm? When teens it's like after school and

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Speaker 2: there's teen drama, Like I want all of these things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought you were going to say no, Hell, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that sounds amazing. What kind of drama? Like are you

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Speaker 1: But that's what I think. That's what it makes me

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys know much about that,

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Speaker 6: Every year, there has been a conversation for the last

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Speaker 6: My little group of people go like, man, fuck the docs,

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Speaker 1: You believe in yourself, man, is it is possible? With

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Speaker 7: Make you go there you go getting ship done. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 7: This guy, this was called the dodger rona grand slam.

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Speaker 6: This is a large baseball firework watched out of a

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Speaker 1: The guy is running like forty feet away from it's

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Speaker 1: It off every of every carlarm within a ten radius.

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Speaker 1: It's like a scud missile. Man. Yeah, yeah, not good,

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Speaker 6: And I I do like reattaching to that, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. For whatever reason, it's like yow wow, I

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Speaker 4: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right

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Speaker 1: And we're back.

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Speaker 4: We're back, and Nilo, your book is about so many things.

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Speaker 4: The revolution launched by women, oftentimes very young women and

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Speaker 4: that has been instituted by Iran's authoritarian government. It's also

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. In September twenty twenty two, a young

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Speaker 2: right yeah. And then the next thing that we see, like,

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Speaker 2: So there was a citizen journalist named Saja a cloudat

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Speaker 2: there as well, and so, and if you're foreign media

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Speaker 2: going to report in Iran, it's very difficult. There's a

441
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Speaker 2: lot of restrictions, you're constantly minded, and then journalists who

442
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Speaker 2: are Iranian and based there, like every day is harassment

443
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Speaker 2: for them. And so when we're seeing stories about protests

444
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Speaker 2: and what it looks like, what it looked like when

445
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Speaker 2: authorities were very violent protesters on the streets, that was

446
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 2: because people who were on the ground in that moment

447
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 2: were filming it sending it to citizen journalists and it

448
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: was being spread. And so the way a lot of

449
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: video is shared in Iran is through the app Telegram,

450
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Speaker 2: and Telegram can be pretty safe for people because you

451
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: can make these like one time use accounts and send

452
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Speaker 2: them and you can send them to a citizen journalist channel,

453
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Speaker 2: which we'll have like five hundred thousand subscribers and it'll

454
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 2: spread from there and yeah, so essentially like this this

455
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 2: is the way that everything gets shared. So it's really

456
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Speaker 2: we have everything to thank to people who are brave

457
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Speaker 2: enough to document the cities that were happening to Iranian

458
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Speaker 2: people and taking the risk to send it to citizen

459
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Speaker 2: journalists who amplified it to the rest of the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those first acts of citizen journalism? Is it?

461
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Speaker 4: You know, you said that these are citizen journalists who

462
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Speaker 4: were able to do that?

463
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Speaker 1: Is it?

464
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Speaker 4: Just like were they thinking of themselves as citizen journalists before?

465
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Speaker 4: Were they just people who happened to be there and

466
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Speaker 4: like shared the image? Like how whoa what were what

467
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Speaker 4: were those first acts of citizen journalism looking like?

468
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so some of these accounts have been around for

469
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Speaker 2: a long time, and I've been able to make relationships

470
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Speaker 2: with some of these channel administrators and so these people

471
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Speaker 2: had been documenting, you know, protests in twenty nineteen, they'd

472
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Speaker 2: been documenting things like there was a port explosion in

473
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Speaker 2: one of your on southern ports this year. Like anything

474
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Speaker 2: that's shared people really share on social media. So it's

475
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Speaker 2: like this is a constant feature of the information ecosystem

476
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Speaker 2: in Iran, got it.

477
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Speaker 4: And now some people say that the United States is

478
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Speaker 4: in the early stage of an authoritarian takeover of the

479
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Speaker 4: government and media, particularly people who've witnessed authority and takeover

480
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Speaker 4: authoritarian takeovers of governments before. Like we've talked before about

481
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Speaker 4: m Guessen from The New Yorker, who seems to be saying, Yeah,

482
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Speaker 4: this is all happening right on schedule. This is like

483
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Speaker 4: exactly what it felt like when Putin took over. Can

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Speaker 4: you talk about the role of citizen journalism in the

485
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Speaker 4: US today, Like, you know, it's somewhat nascent, but like

486
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Speaker 4: what role do you think citizen journalism could play and

487
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Speaker 4: should play going forward?

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people who are there on the ground,

489
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: are documenting events in real time, Like I cover Black

490
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Speaker 2: Lives Matter protests in the US in twenty twenty, and

491
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Speaker 2: you know, citizen journalists, which can even be as simple

492
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Speaker 2: as uploading videos to x Instagram. Just being able to

493
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: collect a record of what happened is incredibly important. So

494
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Speaker 2: like in twenty twenty, when we were covering BLM protests

495
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Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, we were able to prove using visual documentation

496
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: that the Philly Police violated their own rules for when

497
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Speaker 2: and how to use tear gas. So it can be

498
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: incredibly important because these pieces of video, like it's so precious,

499
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Speaker 2: Like any piece of video is a documentation, right, Like

500
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Speaker 2: if the government is saying ICE agents aren't doing any harm,

501
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: but you have people that are documenting this, right, and

502
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Speaker 2: we can verify that you know where it was filmed,

503
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Speaker 2: that it is of the current moment. Like, all of

504
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Speaker 2: these visuals can be incredibly incredibly important for future accountability

505
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Speaker 2: or even right in that moment.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, even like up to ICE protests and like it

508
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Speaker 4: seems like they have gone not literally mask off, but

509
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Speaker 4: in terms of like organizationally just they're shooting people in

510
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Speaker 4: the face with you know, non lethal realms that are

511
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Speaker 4: cracking people's skulls, and like trying to think back at

512
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Speaker 4: the documentation of those things, it's all citizen journalism. It's

513
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Speaker 4: all just people who are there close by, recording on

514
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Speaker 4: their phone. And then eventually, you know, I was able

515
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Speaker 4: to watch a recreation of an act of ice abuse

516
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: that was completely reconstructed on the front page of the

517
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Speaker 4: New York Times, all from just like people who are

518
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Speaker 4: around recording on their phone, which it feels like more

519
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 4: and more. That's one of the last things that we have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like what you're describing is something that

521
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Speaker 2: we call open source reporting, where we look at all

522
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Speaker 2: these pieces of information that are there, Like we use

523
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Speaker 2: satellite imagery to look at the level of destruction to

524
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Speaker 2: Gaza's agriculture, for example, and we did this in twenty

525
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Speaker 2: twenty three. It's like, all these pieces of information that

526
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Speaker 2: are there, and what can we do with it? So

527
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Speaker 2: it's like incredibly important because you can, you know, if

528
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Speaker 2: you go to a protest, a regular story might be

529
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Speaker 2: here the merits, here's someone who is here protesting this,

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Speaker 2: Here's what someone on the other side says. But once

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Speaker 2: you have visual evidence that shows, you know, police use

532
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Speaker 2: a force, yeah, if you're you know, using less lethal rounds,

533
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Speaker 2: but in a very in very close proximity, like those

534
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: often will go against the use guidelines of the specific

535
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: last lethal round. Right, So all of these pieces of

536
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Speaker 2: evidence are super important.

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Speaker 1: Is there, I think? Yeah? To that end, right, open

538
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: source sort of material out there helps put like sort

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Speaker 1: of demystify or really bring out the truth in things

540
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Speaker 1: because you always get sort of like the state's version

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Speaker 1: of events and then the people on the ground, and

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Speaker 1: then you kind of have to have a reckoning based

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Speaker 1: on what you can gather. Is there a way like

544
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: people should be thinking because something all the time we

545
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Speaker 1: just have a reflex I think, especially in this age

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Speaker 1: of social media, to just get your phone out, especially

547
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Speaker 1: when there's buckery unfolding in front of you. Is there

548
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Speaker 1: a way for people to think, Okay, like, is it

549
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: this thing I took? What do I do with it now?

550
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: Rather than just maybe texted to other people like, yo,

551
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Speaker 1: this shit got crazy over here, like this is a

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Speaker 1: video I took. Is there a way that people should

553
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Speaker 1: be thinking about this and what their role is in

554
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Speaker 1: documenting these things? Because again, this is this is fairly

555
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: new for American people to having to be like, I'm

556
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Speaker 1: having to see all these sort of abuses unfold. But

557
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Speaker 1: in an era of cameras on every single cell phone,

558
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Speaker 1: how should you know, like, what's our role in thinking

559
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Speaker 1: about that as people who are trying to be people

560
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Speaker 1: of good faith in this country to try and document

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Speaker 1: the kinds of things that would potentially, you know, maybe

562
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Speaker 1: correct some wrongs, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, any visual documentation that you have, send it

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Speaker 2: to me on signal.

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Speaker 3: I will take a.

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Speaker 2: Look at it. No, But really it's about keeping the

567
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Speaker 2: material that you if there's an important moment in there,

568
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: being able to save it, archive it, keep it in

569
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Speaker 2: a place that's not just your phone. Something happens to

570
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Speaker 2: your phone, it gets, you know, crack the next day.

571
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: That's really important. Saving the metadata, that's something that we

572
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: always look for. So when you take an image or

573
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: video and you look in your camera role often it'll

574
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Speaker 2: say if you have location services enabled exactly where it

575
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Speaker 2: was filmed. That really helps open source investigators. We can

576
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Speaker 2: plot it on a map and be able to say, oh, okay,

577
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: this window that jackfilmed, you can see it in satellite imagery.

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00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: We feel very confident that it's at this moment and

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Speaker 2: if there's a day and time. That again is really

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Speaker 2: helpful to us because we can feel like this is

581
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: a piece of video that we can easily verify, so

582
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: keeping it, archiving it and then being able to get

583
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Speaker 2: it out to people like me who are open source

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Speaker 2: reporters looking at different stories in this world every day.

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Speaker 1: Right, because I feel like that even happened with ice

586
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: agents like in Illinois, where they were basically lying about

587
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Speaker 1: some like an event where they threw a child down

588
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: on the ground and like that's like old and like no,

589
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: here's another video of that same agent basically, and you

590
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Speaker 1: can we can tell from the metadata this is very

591
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Speaker 1: much that day and like they had to suddenly, I

592
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Speaker 1: mean they just they did not necessarily own up to it,

593
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Speaker 1: but it was sort of one of those moments where

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Speaker 1: that sort of line of lying about the activity of

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Speaker 1: ICE agents was sort of just dispelled through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super important because you know, regular police departments

597
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: will wear police cameras as reporters. Sometimes we can file

598
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: information requests from the department to try to get it.

599
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Speaker 2: They may not give it to us for certain reasons.

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Speaker 2: They may take a long time. When it's federal agents,

601
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: it becomes even more complicated to request that video. So

602
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: it makes it even more important for people to be

603
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Speaker 2: documenting whatever they're seeing in their communities.

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00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I think, you know, there's a lot of

606
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Speaker 4: bad news and the authoritarian creep is real. I do

607
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: think that there's a story of like that all of

608
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Speaker 4: that citizen journalism, all of those things we've seen from

609
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Speaker 4: the streets is working, like is reaching people. Like Trump's

610
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Speaker 4: approval rating on immigration is down from a plus eleven,

611
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Speaker 4: like more eleven percent more people approve than disapproved to

612
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Speaker 4: minus three point two, and like, obviously that's not nearly

613
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Speaker 4: negative enough, but it is the thing that he's going

614
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Speaker 4: to be like kind of riding on coming into the

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Speaker 4: White House and like that it feels like people you know,

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Speaker 4: by because his policy is basically foregrounding the cruelty and

617
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Speaker 4: you know, also being terrible at execution and like you know,

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Speaker 4: finding the people that are looking for and instead just

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Speaker 4: like harmy, innocent people like people seem to be getting

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Speaker 4: off board. So I mean, it does seem like a

621
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Speaker 4: weapon that's being exercised, and that probably just needs to

622
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Speaker 4: be more and more foundational to how we interact with

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Speaker 4: this regime. I have a question, what's what are the

624
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Speaker 4: rules when you're trying to go off the record, you know,

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Speaker 4: do you what.

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Speaker 1: Do you have? Like what is happening? No? No, no,

627
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Speaker 1: not me personally, because I'm just thinking this friend, I

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Speaker 1: have a friend, let's call him Donald t Okay, no,

629
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Speaker 1: that's too obvious. D Trump there you No, but you

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Speaker 1: sort of use this as a segue because we are

631
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Speaker 1: such like it's good to know obviously journalism is so

632
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Speaker 1: foundational to being able to counteract the sort of propaganda

633
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Speaker 1: that comes out of the government bad faith actors that

634
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Speaker 1: are in orbit of the administration. And just this story

635
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Speaker 1: that came up today about Lindsay Halligan, it just sort

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Speaker 1: of a lot of it revolves around this idea that

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Speaker 1: this person, also this woman, Lindsay Halligan, has no idea

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Speaker 1: what that means to go off the record, and that

639
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Speaker 1: was a very flippant way to segue into the next story.

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Speaker 1: But this there's just something very tragic and upsetting that

641
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Speaker 1: we are being having our rights trampled by the most inept,

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Speaker 1: ignorant people that this administration could possibly find potentially fortunate.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've talked about the concept of designed and competence.

645
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 4: That he surrounds himself with fools because they will be

646
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Speaker 4: grateful for the appointment and also by consequence bad at

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Speaker 4: their jobs. Yeah, that's kind of nice.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, unknown insurance lawyer turned US attorney Lindsay

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Speaker 1: Halligan has now she's like sort of the tip of

650
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Speaker 1: the spear in terms of Trump's legal retaliation against his ops.

651
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Speaker 1: She's never prosecuted a case before and has never held

652
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Speaker 1: a job like of this kind, so it makes sense

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Speaker 1: that she truly knows nothing about how anything works when

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Speaker 1: you're a federal prosecutor. But this story sort of centers

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Speaker 1: around this Lee reporter from law Fair and a Bauer

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Speaker 1: who reached out to Halligan to talk about this sham

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Speaker 1: indictment of Letitia James, and Halligan ended up blurting out

658
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: shit about grand jury materials, which sounds like a big

659
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: no no as a federal prosecutor, and you know, also

660
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: just generally complaining to Bauer about like her coverage, I

661
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: just want to read how like these conversations were unfolding again,

662
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: She's reaching out to a US attorney about a sham

663
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: indictment of another attorney general, or of the Attorney General

664
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: of New York, and she's taught. She apparently was complaining

665
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: to Bower about like, I think your facts are wrong.

666
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: I just want to help you out. I just want

667
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: to help you out, Like I just want to help

668
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: you out, give you a tip, a heads up. She said, quote,

669
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: I can't tell you grand jury stuff just written in

670
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: their chats. I can't tell you grand jury stuff. And

671
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: she's like, okay, that's fine. But she the reporter was

672
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: pushing back, essentially saying that like the reason they're prosecuting

673
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: Letitia James, is that like she was, she was charging

674
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: people rent for this property that she didn't even live in.

675
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: And you know, this journalist is like, based on the

676
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: materials that are out there, that doesn't seem to be

677
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: the case. Like, she only collected rents rent once and

678
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: it was in like one of the like you know,

679
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: sort of like the lower brackets of between one and

680
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. So once that happened, Halligan lost it.

681
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 1: Quote this is what she says to Annabauer. Quote, you're biased,

682
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: Your reporting isn't accurate. I'm the one handling the case,

683
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you that if you want to twist,

684
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: in torture the facts to fit your narrative, that there's

685
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: nothing I can do. It's a waste to even give

686
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: you a heads up. So like I'm assuming as a journalist.

687
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: You then asked the Department of Justice, Hey, what do

688
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: you think about this conversation I had with this US attorney?

689
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: This was their response. They were so petulant that she

690
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: deigned to ask about this conversation. They said, quote, good

691
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: luck ever getting anyone to talk to you when you

692
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: publish their texts. Is what the DOJ's response in terms

693
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: of her conversation with Halligan, and then basically, this is

694
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: what happened. Quote this is from the New Republic. Later,

695
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: Halligan texted Bauer again to insist they had been speaking

696
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: off record. Quote You're not a journalist, so it's weird

697
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: saying that, but just letting you know. And this is

698
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: how they said. Good luck ever getting anyone to text

699
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: you again. And then like as she's reading that, her

700
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: bumb blows up with another text from the same one

701
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: from Halligan. It's weird, but just letting you know this

702
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: how Bout replied, quote, I'm sorry, but that's not how

703
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: this works. You don't get to say that in retrospect.

704
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: Halligan responded, yes, I do. Off record.

705
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a tough exchange to read, because it's like,

706
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: if a journalist is coming to you and publicly identifying

707
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: themselves as a real or I'm reaching out to you

708
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: for this, the assumption is it's on the record. It's

709
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: off the record when you and I both agree and

710
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: I can sent to you before we start the off

711
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: the record portion. This is off the record, right, and

712
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 2: I'll have conversations with sources where we're chatting and he'll

713
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: they will say this is off the record, Okay, we'll

714
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: chat about it, and then I'll say I'd like to

715
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: go back on the record now great, like you just

716
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: it's all about being transparent so that everyone's aware. But yeah,

717
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: you can't coming after and saying well, that was on

718
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: off the record, like that's that's not typically how a

719
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: source interaction goes.

720
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Speaker 1: Yes, why I the thing that you're putting in your

721
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: book that's already out for publishing was off the record.

722
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: I've just decided to do that retroactor. Yes, I can

723
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: off the record, off off record. I do, Yes, I

724
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: do off record? There what this is? Bowers are Plike? Well,

725
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry. I would have been happy to speak

726
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: with you on an on an off the record basis

727
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: had you asked, but you didn't, and I still haven't

728
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: agreed to speak on that basis. Do you have any

729
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: further comment the story? And then this is what I responds. Quote,

730
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: it's obvious the whole combo is off record, there's disappearing messages,

731
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: and it's on signal. What is your story? You never

732
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: told me about a story?

733
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: Why did you think I a journalist reached out to

734
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: you and asked you for comment on a story. Yeah, story, yeah, yeah,

735
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: so not that's all the story bullshit.

736
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: You never told me about a story, it's it's the

737
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: subject matter we were discussing in our conversation.

738
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 2: And like signal disappearing messages. It's like, I just use

739
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people use signal for non

740
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: purposes or like you know, allegedly, allegedly they do.

741
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: Record that is off the record, off the record go on.

742
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: And like disappearing messages, like why would I you know,

743
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 2: I have a friend who will in her eye message.

744
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: This is when I'm like, you are unwell conversations that

745
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: have nothing to journalism. She'll finish a conversation with her

746
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: mom and she'll wipe it. I'm like, what what are

747
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: you doing? She's like, well, I just it's just like

748
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: good digital security, everything gets breached. And meanwhile I'm like, oh,

749
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: so I shouldn't have text change from twenty sixteen on

750
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: my phone? Like is this a bad idea? It's just

751
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: like people do these for all types of purposes. Yeah,

752
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: it's like, let's just be transparent.

753
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: You have text change from twenty sixteen on your phone,

754
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: so I have mine goes back to twenty sixteen. Actually

755
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: that's when I started saving everything. I don't know why

756
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: I have like a I'm like a weird text hoarder.

757
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: I am too, Like I'll be on a flight and

758
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, like what about this nostalgic time and

759
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: this year, Like I'm a nostalgic for a moment that

760
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: ended two minutes ago. I don't know why I like this.

761
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's memories, memory nice.

762
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: It's for posterity sake.

763
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's let's get back to Trump's morality.

764
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 4: Please Ice who you know? They They've been making a

765
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 4: lot of headlines doing horrific shit, and the Trump administration

766
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 4: is doing everything they can to add more ICE officers,

767
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 4: including expanding the age eligibility, condensing training from thirteen weeks

768
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 4: to eight, reducing Spanish classes and firearms courses in classroom instruction.

769
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 4: That seems bad because they seem to not know how

770
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: to operate the firearms that they are being right now with.

771
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

772
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw this video too of the New York

773
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: Times reporter Hammed He went on a ride along with

774
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: Chicago with ICE in Chicago, and one of the ICE

775
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: agents said to him, like, yeah, like we like being

776
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: out here. Like, we're adrenaline junkies. So hearing that and

777
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: then hearing the training being scaled back, yeah.

778
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got I mean we've had to even scale

779
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: back the Fourth Amendment stuff. We were trying to tell

780
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: him about about seizures and searches and stuff, but we

781
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: had to get that out of the way because none

782
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: of these people can do anything physical. Yeah, it seems

783
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: bad that they're motivated by being adrenaline junkies and also

784
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: a fifty thousand dollars signing bonus, and so it's just right.

785
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: It's if you make it right. It's like, right, you

786
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: get the fifty if you can make it out right, right. Yeah.

787
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 4: Which, so even after scaling back the requirements, the agency

788
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 4: has one big problem, and that is that their new

789
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: officers aren't passing the mandatory fitness test. I was recently

790
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 4: reported that so many new recruits are out of shape

791
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: that more than a third of them have failed the

792
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 4: fitness test, in which they must do fifteen push ups,

793
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 4: thirty two sit ups, and run one point five miles

794
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 4: in fourteen minutes. Okay, okay, that's that seems low.

795
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: Leave me.

796
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: I actually can't do any of the activity just described, but.

797
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: You're also not trying to brutalize people of color familiarly,

798
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: You're not an Antifa super soldier, I.

799
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: Know, but I'm like, I should I be able to

800
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: run that amount? Like now I'm kind of questioning like

801
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: my own fitness because.

802
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: I could do Like if I'm being like, at a

803
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: ten minute mile is pretty casual. So if you can

804
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: keep a ten minute mile pace, you should be able

805
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: to get through.

806
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: The ale at this age. I don't know.

807
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: You got weekends, that's up? Yeah, I got week what

808
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: hap in ballet soccer? Ice exactly? Yeah, yeah, I've seen

809
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: it a hundred times. I've seen it a hundred times, Nelo.

810
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 2: That's why we can't have you off license pt.

811
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: Exactly allegedly. Okay, that was off the record. That was

812
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: off the record. He can give you some off the

813
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: record medical advice. Yes, yes, it's mostly about shrooms, but

814
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: really bad. It is wild though to think, because part

815
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: of me was like, damn, fifteen push ups and thirty

816
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: two setups. I'm like, maybe I am an Antifa super soldier.

817
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: You think you like that could be if I could

818
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: get fifth, If I can get fifteen push ups out,

819
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's my Max. Okay, so I know

820
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm just making it probably, but like all of the

821
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: stories talk about how like in the I think The

822
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: Atlantic was the first one to report this. We're talking

823
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: to some of like these ICE officials and I've never

824
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: seen anything like this. Like there are people that ICE

825
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: were like, this is unreal, the riff raft that's blowing

826
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: into the academy right now, merely because they're trying to

827
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: meet these quotas. They're even trying to like put the

828
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: physical fitness test earlier in the academy training to immediately

829
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: root out these people, because what they end up doing

830
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: is like they waste all this energy getting people up

831
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: to speed and not know what the Fourth Amendment is.

832
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: Then they get to the physical test part and they're like,

833
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: what the fuck first step of the one point five

834
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: mile run? Yeah, no, they say them they keep getting.

835
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: Compound fractures on the first step of their one point

836
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 4: five mile run.

837
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: Apparently that run is like the great destroyer of a

838
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: lot of these candidates who want to play dress up

839
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: brown shirt. So you know, there's a lot of a

840
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: lot of tension happening at ICE because they're even now

841
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: they're like they're saying like well, we're even now inviting

842
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: retired law enforcement and they don't, but they're saying on

843
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: the condition that they can just self report at their

844
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: their physical fitness levels because they're just like, fuck man,

845
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: if we can awarding the physically, Yeah, yeah I did it.

846
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: It's good. I'm actually really fast.

847
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I tried that in like seven minutes. Yeah,

848
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: I'm sitting here laughing. I haven't tried to run that

849
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 4: uh mile and a half and fourteen minutes and years.

850
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would, however, be willing to self report that

851
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: I can do it easily. Right.

852
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm having a meltdown, like I I'm modified in

853
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: plates today, do you know what I mean?

854
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Like I can't. I can't. Is the hardest I've ever done.

855
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: Like I pilates is so fucking hard. It's tough.

856
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: It's like all in there suffering. Also a culture of silence,

857
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: because we're all suffering really silently, and like a man

858
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: will come and grunt outwardly and we're all just like please,

859
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: like keep that to yourself. Knees, it's to.

860
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: Cramshell.

861
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

862
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: The first time I gotten a reformer, I was like,

863
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: how the fuck am I this week? Like I that

864
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: thing and just like a unbroken line of sweat just

865
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: started like running off of my nose like it was

866
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: a foster. That's why I was doing it for a

867
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: minute because I was so humbled the first time I did.

868
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, this is for real using your body

869
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: in ways you had it Like you're discovering that you

870
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: can actually strengthen parts of your body you didn't know existed.

871
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, sore in places on the inside of my body

872
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 4: that I did not know could be sore.

873
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: Or this does track with I remember they were like,

874
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: remember Dean Kane was like, and I'm going to join ICE.

875
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 4: And then they showed him like going through the what

876
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 4: appeared to be like a children's playground obstacle course, and

877
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: just like even during the ten seconds that they showed

878
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 4: the footage of him, he was like ducking thing like

879
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 4: a thing he was supposed to go over, He just

880
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 4: like kind of ducked under it.

881
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: Right Like Yeah.

882
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 4: There's also that great video brought to us by a

883
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 4: citizen journalist of a ten ICE agents who were trying

884
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 4: to catch a guy who was not on a butt

885
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 4: like he was off his bike, came over picked up

886
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 4: something that they didn't want him to pick up.

887
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm not a citizen phone. Yeah, was like,

888
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm not a US citizen and then managed to like

889
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: as ten of them descended on him, just like looked

890
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: like Barry Sanders, like just like completely untouched through a

891
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: crowd of people.

892
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 4: Nobody had any chance of catching him. As he like

893
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 4: went from walking to getting on a bike and riding away.

894
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: They were like shit, it was, I mean, this is

895
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, like I get again, like

896
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: with the the uh engineered incompetence and then just seeing

897
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: the kinds of people that are being attracted by the

898
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: possibility of brutalizing, you know, people who aren't from this country.

899
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: I'm glad that it's not our country's best. It's people

900
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: who or maybe not fully up to the task. But again,

901
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,760
Speaker 1: when you look at the money they've spending seven increase

902
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: on like their weapons capabilities now like warheads, they're they're

903
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: like they have access to now, So who knows me,

904
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: I guess maybe they'll make up for it with like

905
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: some kind of killer robot ice agent or something that

906
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: Elon Musk can just design but it doesn't know how

907
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: to do kung fu. Well, I take heart in the

908
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: fact that that's their plan to like cut Elon will

909
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: fix it with his fake robot. Yeah, yeah, does kung

910
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: fu like a sixty five year old. All right, let's

911
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll be right back and our back.

912
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: We're back, and real quick update that Kim Kardashian has

913
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: a new product or had a new product on the

914
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: market that was sold out, sold out in moments, a

915
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: few minutes, as she says, yeah, as the saying goes,

916
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: necessity is the mother of invention, and Kim k must

917
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: have needed a bunch of pubes recently, because last week

918
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 1: she dropped a line of what she calls faux hair

919
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: micro string thongs on the world aka fake pubes aka

920
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: a merkin. Okay. Vulture gave a brief history of the

921
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 1: murkin in their write up because I was like, yeah,

922
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was always like, that's the thing

923
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: in a movie, so they can just have the pubes there,

924
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: but no. Murcans were first developed in fourteen fifty per

925
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 1: the Oxford Companion to the Body, and were created so

926
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: that women could shave off pubic lce without sacrificing that

927
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: fabulous bush, and then sex workers continued that for the

928
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: same reason through the seventeenth century. So well, I think

929
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: most people have been able to deal with pubic light

930
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: in our modern era. But I guess everything moves in cycles.

931
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: And Kim said she had a light bulb idea on

932
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: a set one day. She said, quote that was just

933
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: a fun idea that this is so funny. Let's talk

934
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: about a murket. That was just a fun idea that

935
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: I had. There was a shoot and someone wanted to

936
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: like have their down have hair down there once, and

937
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: I was like, couldn't this just be easy and have

938
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: it on a thong? And so we made that happen.

939
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: I had no idea it would get that reaction and

940
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: sell out in a few minutes. What a fun little idea.

941
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 4: I was picturing like actual underwear with like hair stuffed

942
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 4: in the front. But it seems like it's actually like

943
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 4: the micro thong of it all. It's like invisible string.

944
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 4: That's yeah, holding it in, holding the market in place,

945
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 4: got it okay? Now, like using duct tape like the

946
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 4: old days, you know, like our ancestors had to.

947
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 6: I'm taking a position to this of like why not, Yeah,

948
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 6: you know what Pilcano loosed dose shand or not porcano

949
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 6: loosed dose.

950
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: You know, I have a two pay down there, you

951
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: know what I mean, if the mood strikes and you say,

952
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe I'm ana weare this one backwards.

953
00:48:53,120 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: Today it was a little yeah, let me just on.

954
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm sure everybody's dying to look like

955
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: me and have a big bush of hair in the

956
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: back there. I call you Jackie cottontail Jackie Cott. What's right?

957
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: Which my little bunny yet? But I mean, unlike Elon

958
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 1: one of our other great inventors, she actually follows through.

959
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: When she mentioned something like the nipple bra, when she

960
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, we're also gonna do. That's

961
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: pretty genius nipple giving you that that peak Rachel from

962
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: Friend's look, you know what I mean. Also in pierced

963
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: if you want pierced or unpierced nipple bra, she had that.

964
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: And then the other thing that she came up with,

965
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: this face bra that is truly part of me is like,

966
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: this is brilliant because this is probably made for fourteen

967
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: cents and you're selling it for like sixty dollars probably

968
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: so the margins are insane, but you're basically eye of

969
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: a pony or sorry, it's the thigh of pantyhose, like, yeah,

970
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: basically with ear holes cut out. For some it's a

971
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 1: knee it's like a like a knea pre knee brace

972
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: with a big face hole and some ear holes cut

973
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,479
Speaker 1: into it. For sure, you're supposed to wear that out.

974
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 4: I think it's supposed to train your face to stay

975
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 4: in that position, which I don't think is how faces

976
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 4: or physics works.

977
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what that would do in

978
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: terms of improving your face of it. I'm trying to.

979
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 6: I'm trying to, like I'm looking at the photo and

980
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 6: I'm supplanting on top of that the biology and physics,

981
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 6: and I'm going, what is the end result of wearing

982
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 6: painting hot thing?

983
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: Okay? The yeah, yeah, Which it's got to tighten the

984
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: face and improve your facial contouring.

985
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: You know.

986
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: That's it. It's not easy works. Yeah, just chewing gum

987
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: and chewing gum would probably be more effective. Get your jaw, pope. Well,

988
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: remember who was it? There was that alpha male. There

989
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: was that fucking weird thing where they were doing that

990
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: to try and make their faces more caveman face. We're like,

991
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: dudes are too, like, just do this thing and get

992
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: your fucking jaw muscles off. Freaked out.

993
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 4: I do twenty burpies every morning, and then I do

994
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 4: thirty eyebrow lifts where I just like do my eyebrows

995
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 4: up and down and it actually gives me that chromagnum

996
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 4: muscular forehead.

997
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, hell yeah. Oh yeah. It was the thing

998
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: of just moving your jaw out a little bit over

999
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: and over again.

1000
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I had seen some of those videos. I'm like,

1001
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 6: that's crazy stuff. Ask you guys a quick question. We've

1002
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 6: had this phenomenon in New Zealand when I was a

1003
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 6: teenager at high school.

1004
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: So I'm thirty eight years old now.

1005
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 6: I was born in eighty seven, and when I was

1006
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 6: in high school, like teenagers did not.

1007
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: Go to the gym.

1008
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 6: There would be like maybe two students in my high

1009
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 6: school of one thousand students who would go to the gym,

1010
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 6: and they were like kind of elite athletes trying to

1011
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 6: get into some crazy team.

1012
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: They played football. If you're one of the gym, yeah day.

1013
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 6: But now it seems like pretty white, weirdly widespread that

1014
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 6: the kids, the teens are going to the gym. Is

1015
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 6: there an America as well? And also, did you guys

1016
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 6: have the same thing back in the day where it

1017
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 6: wasn't that common, but like now it is.

1018
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 4: I'd say, yeah, I'd say it's gone from being a

1019
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: thing that like the various sports teams were like in

1020
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 4: the gym lifting weights, and now it feels like everybody

1021
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 4: like there there's a whole you know, subculture of people

1022
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 4: who like are working out and like focusing on their

1023
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 4: macros and like, you know, just figuring out like three

1024
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 4: hundred grams of protein a.

1025
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: Day so that beef maxing.

1026
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1027
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to be on the football team.

1028
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: You just have to listen to Joe Rogan. I don't

1029
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: like it, man, we got I'm I hate to say it.

1030
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 6: I listened to a podcast yesterday where they're going through

1031
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 6: like a dude who researches the social habits of teenagers essentially,

1032
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 6: and he was like, you know, kids aren't partying anymore.

1033
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: Teens aren't partying anymore.

1034
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 6: And I'm like, fuck, man, I know it's good that

1035
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 6: they're off booze this generation coming up, but we might

1036
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 6: need to get them a little bit back on booze.

1037
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: A little wild cost something.

1038
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 6: The flip side is too much, like it's just this

1039
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 6: generation that's riddled with anxiety that is struggling to socially

1040
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 6: connect with each other because they were, you know, in

1041
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 6: our country at least like big time lockdown during the

1042
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 6: COVID period, during that really important time.

1043
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: That's the that's the double edged sort of you know

1044
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: what social meat are not even double its that it

1045
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: cuts one. It's fucking people up. I mean, it's the

1046
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: amount of fitness influencers too that kids see from a

1047
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: young age where they're like, oh, this is because I

1048
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: remember like if you if you were a muscle bound,

1049
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: like when I was ten years old, you were a wrestler,

1050
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: or you were like a fucking football player. Even the

1051
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: basketball players weren't like jacked like that, and anyone you

1052
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: were like who was quote unquote like the cute men

1053
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: of the era weren't ripped dudes. They were just kind

1054
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: of like his little skinny fly be haired guys or whatever.

1055
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: They were non threatening, effeminate dudes.

1056
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 6: Thank god, as a man who was five teen and

1057
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 6: you know, sixty five kg so can wit, thank god

1058
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 6: that was the case.

1059
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I think a lot of it too is

1060
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: just you know, the it's just the normalization of like

1061
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: did Jim talk kind of content and just seeing all

1062
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: these dudes starting to take fucking human growth hormone or

1063
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 1: fucking testosterone.

1064
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 6: Like and that's yeah, it's crazy because I feel like

1065
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 6: we vanquished some version of this. We had that incredibly

1066
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 6: damaging celebrity magazine culture where it was like, you know,

1067
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 6: heroin chic, we're being incredibly skin was put on the

1068
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 6: front of every magazine cover. But we've sort of I

1069
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 6: guess we'll just always have some version of this, like

1070
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 6: horrible messaging to the kids, right, But I don't know, man,

1071
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 6: I guess on the American from Kim K fine, whatever, Yeah,

1072
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 6: that's right.

1073
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to get one from my head. Yeah what

1074
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: about that? Yeah that exists. Yeah, but if it looks

1075
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: like Pubes, that's gotta be got three Merkins just like

1076
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: striping your head kind of dude. Look like, if I

1077
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: wore three Markins on my bald head, I can go

1078
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: out one day or as eyebrows, two Merkans as eyebrows,

1079
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: just playing staying alive as I walk down the street

1080
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: like the fucking beginning of Saturday Night Fever, just with.

1081
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 4: My murking head waggling the eyebrows. That's why I was

1082
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 4: doing those eyebrow lifts man gotta gotta power. Yeah, I

1083
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Speaker 4: do think it's a good point. Like it also everyone

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Speaker 4: like we talked about this article and linked off to

1085
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 4: it last year called everyone whose beautiful nobody is horny

1086
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 4: or like nobody's having sex, and it's yeah, how like

1087
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 4: these every movie star looks like they spend twenty hours

1088
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 4: a week working out, like and it doesn't.

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00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: It's not just action movies, it's every type of movie.

1090
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Speaker 1: Like there used to be different body types and now

1091
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: it's just like everyone you get famous for being Like

1092
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: Chris Prack got famous for being like a sort of

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00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: everyman type. You know, he was like the pudgy dude

1094
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: in Parks and rec and then he got shredded.

1095
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 6: And now he's like really ripped and like, which not

1096
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 6: to throw shade, but considering the obesity statistics in America

1097
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Speaker 6: of the general population, it's just becoming like increasingly it's

1098
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 6: kind of like the wealth divide, right, Like there's just

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00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 6: an increasingly concentrated and divided gap between most people, like

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00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 6: you know, ninety percent of people and the point one

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Speaker 6: percent that are either in the movies or have all

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Speaker 6: the money.

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Speaker 4: Right, right, we need to get to the Christmas Adventurers Club, guys,

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Speaker 4: because I do think it ties in really well with

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00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: what we've already been talking about here, which so the

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Speaker 4: movie One Battle after Another suggests there's a secret seems

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00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 4: like all male wait supremacyt organization controlling the government that's

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00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 4: called the Christmas Adventurers Club. And yeah, as we said,

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00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 4: no question as to whether or not there's a real

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00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 4: world Christmas adventures Club. The question is mainly which of

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00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 4: several groups inspired it it. So I assumed this is

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00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 4: like such a Thomas Pinchon idea based on like, you know,

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00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 4: the the amount of Gravity's Rainbow that I've been able

1114
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 4: to get through about two hundred pages, you know, and

1115
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 4: then crying of lot forty nine, thank you for doing

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00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 4: the one short one, Thomas Pinchon. It's but it's such

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00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 4: a Thomas Pinchon idea that it I assumed it was

1118
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 4: from Vineland because like he loosely based on Violent but

1119
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 4: this is a Paul Thomas Anderson original and it's but

1120
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Speaker 4: like kind of inspired in spirit by the work of Pinchon.

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00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 4: The first one that jumped to my mind is John

1122
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 4: Birch Society, which was this far right anti communist group

1123
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 4: that people are generally like talk about more as an

1124
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 4: antecedit to like QAnon these days, and not something that's

1125
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 4: like actively out there, although people like at their peak,

1126
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 4: I think they had one hundred thousand dues, paying members,

1127
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 4: sixty full time staff, and you know, we're just focused

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00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 4: on it was they were basically like, we're here to

1129
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 4: fight communists at a time when John.

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Speaker 1: Burdall was a guy that was killed in China. Right,

1131
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: It's like named after a guy who would like, I

1132
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: think a missionary or someone who was killed over there.

1133
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was at a time when America was

1134
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 4: hallucinating communists everywhere, and so they, you know, had a

1135
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 4: nice little run there but seemed to have died out.

1136
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 4: There's also Paul Thomas Anderson has been into Mason's. There's

1137
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 4: like a bunch of Freemason's symbols in the movie Magnolia,

1138
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 4: which you know it with specifically the talk show host.

1139
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys are Magnolia fans. I

1140
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 4: haven't seen it in a long time. When I saw it,

1141
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 4: I loved it so much that I made my dad

1142
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 4: go see it with me when he came and visited

1143
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 4: me in college, and he immediately was like, are.

1144
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: You on drugs? Like, what the fuck is going on

1145
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: with you? Why would you think?

1146
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: I liked that?

1147
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: But there's Mason Mason reash it all over like symbolism

1148
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: all over the place. Which also there is a Freemason's

1149
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: lodge on the corner of Vinland and Magnolia. There you go,

1150
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: how about that by somebody whorew up in North Olliwod.

1151
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, there's a lodge right there.

1152
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 4: Freemasonry, I will say, oftentimes, when you like start digging

1153
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 4: in doing research on that, it gets real anti semitic,

1154
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 4: real quick, Like all free Mason conspiracies are like and

1155
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 4: you know who runs the New World Order? When you

1156
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 4: like dig deep enof it usually gets pretty anti semitic.

1157
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 4: That Magnolia was I think one of the best movies

1158
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 4: ever co written by Cocaine, Like and he seems like

1159
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 4: he's like, yeah, I don't know, I just like heard

1160
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 4: the idea, and I was kind of interested in. I'm

1161
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,479
Speaker 4: actually really looking forward to doing a deep dive into

1162
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 4: the into Freemasonry. And it's like, as the movie is

1163
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 4: coming out right right, the one that makes the most

1164
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 4: sense is the mysterious elite all male gathering known as

1165
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 4: Bohemian Grove started with like artists and journalists and was

1166
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 4: immediately taken over as most things in America are by

1167
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 4: like the powerful elite, like Burning Man, you know, yeah,

1168
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 4: exactly exactly. We're witnessing this exact starts.

1169
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: Getting wild and now Peter Teal is doing deals with

1170
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: some government. Yeah trailer there.

1171
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just have to wait for Burning Man to

1172
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 4: soon become invite only and Peter Tale you know, controls

1173
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 4: the guest list. But yeah, between rituals that are you know,

1174
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 4: very strange involved, like the burning of I think an owl.

1175
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: One Alex Jones like taped tape to that.

1176
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was back when Alex Jones was not just

1177
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 4: you know, a right wing reactionary and was just like

1178
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 4: that's weird that all those people go out there and meet.

1179
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go and get some footage of it. But

1180
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 4: it has the actual like pedigree. It's pretty much acknowledged

1181
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 4: that they hatched the idea for the Manhattan Project there.

1182
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: Cool, all right, so they're getting shit done.

1183
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 2: Go on.

1184
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 4: Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon decided who was going to

1185
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 4: run for president first there at a bohuming and Grove

1186
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 4: like they they're just there planning the world, like dealing

1187
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 4: out the presidency like it's a hand of cards. Basically,

1188
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 4: they're like, all right, you first members have included every

1189
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 4: Republican president since Calvin Coolidge. Current participants include George Bush,

1190
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 4: Henry Kissinger, James Baker, David Rockefeller and not I think

1191
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 4: some of those people are dead now, but the time

1192
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 4: of the reporting.

1193
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: And let's not forget remember when the Clarence Thomas. Clarence

1194
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: Thomas also almost likes to take because Harlan was like, there, hey,

1195
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice, Yeah, why don't you come through to

1196
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 1: just a group of like minded individuals.

1197
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, journalists not allowed anymore, but people who own media companies,

1198
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 4: sure are.

1199
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Speaker 1: You've got a type of journalists.

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01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 4: Former CEO of Times Mirror Corporation William Randolph Hurst of course,

1201
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 4: Jack Howard and Charles Scripps of the Scripts Howard newspaper chain,

1202
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 4: Tom Johnson, president of CNN. Yeah, just a lot of

1203
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 4: people who And they were also just sued by three

1204
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 4: Bohemian Grove employees, which I of course they haven't played

1205
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 4: like I never I always pictured it would just be

1206
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 4: like them like blindfolding a pianist, you know, right, But

1207
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 4: apparently there are people who like work on the grounds,

1208
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 4: and they sued. Three of them sued Bohemian Grove for

1209
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 4: violating California labor laws. One employee claimed that he was

1210
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 4: mocked by club members for complying with the request from

1211
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 4: famous billionaire will William Cooke to hand wash his underwear.

1212
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 4: So that's the sort of vibes is you were mocking

1213
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 4: the staff for following through with a humiliation request from

1214
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 4: a billionaire.

1215
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: Part of me is like, it's obviously on brand to

1216
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: exploit the people giving you their labor at your place.

1217
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, of course they would be, but also for

1218
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: a secret society, like maybe you'd know, pay a better

1219
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: wage to try and get some silence out of people.

1220
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely just be bitter at this, you know, I like

1221
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: strong suit guys, never been the strong suit in any

1222
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: respect ever. Pay anyone a living wage? Yeah, they're like, what,

1223
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: We'll threaten them with death.

1224
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 4: They've specifically been responsible for hatching racist government policies, including

1225
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 4: in eighteen seventy seven, when the club's president gave a

1226
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 4: speech in which he argued that non assimilated races couldn't

1227
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 4: live together in harmony unless one enslaved the other and

1228
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 4: since slavery had recently become unconstitutional, the next best thing

1229
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 4: was to keep Chinese people out, and that led directly

1230
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 4: to the Chinese Exclusion Act.

1231
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: Like that's where they come up. That's where they like

1232
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: design racismazy.

1233
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Speaker 6: That this information is just out in the world, Yeah

1234
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 6: right right, yeah, yeah, I mean they do their very

1235
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 6: best for it not to be.

1236
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: Well. I think it's because then people read it, they're like,

1237
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 1: it can't be that. It's it's that these other people

1238
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: are getting together and doing this, or there's no documentation

1239
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: of it. It can't be the thing that's well documented.

1240
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 4: Right QAnon is essentially Yeah, like people like point at

1241
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 4: like gesture at this with the conspiracies they come up with,

1242
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 4: but they're having to invent facts when there's like documented

1243
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 4: facts of all of these things.

1244
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The I mean the John Birch thing too,

1245
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: is I mean, like like to your point, their whole

1246
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: thing was about conspiracy theories and like real whacky shit.

1247
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: And when the Conservatives are like, well we can like

1248
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: align with them a bit to get them on our side,

1249
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: like that proximity just ended up is really like the

1250
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: poisoning of the party too. Like that's again how that

1251
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: thing evolves into the full blown qan on stuff because

1252
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: you have enough of this John Birch society ethos just

1253
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: swirling around the party. And yeah, the job society didn't

1254
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: really go away, it just became the modern Republican Party.

1255
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: And you can anyway, I think you.

1256
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 6: Can track that whole phenomenon through watching like Alex Jones

1257
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 6: across the last three decades.

1258
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: Because he used to is never a good guy, but

1259
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: he used to be a different guy.

1260
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was like a very much like everyone can

1261
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 6: get fucked, Like everyone in governments against you. Everyone associated

1262
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 6: with both the Republican and Democratic Party is you know,

1263
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 6: vuying for one wheel government. Like he was a real

1264
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 6: epos on both their houses due right up until came

1265
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 6: down the elevator. And it is kind of like a

1266
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 6: very specific boiling down of like a lot of complex forces.

1267
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 6: You can watch it, you know, a version of it

1268
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 6: all happen and Alex Jones aligning with the Republican Party

1269
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 6: and actually getting behind a politician and him getting in

1270
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 6: and then like watching kind of both sides of that

1271
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 6: wager fucked themselves and have to settle and sort of

1272
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 6: sell themselves out, like both the Republican Party as it

1273
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 6: sort of does the Faustian bargain to court conspiracy theorists

1274
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 6: to become a voting block for them, and then the

1275
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 6: conspiracy theorists who then.

1276
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: Have to be like, we're pro government now, kind of

1277
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: we love the president. You know, the guys we told

1278
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: you not to.

1279
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 6: Trust, you know, with your children forever, and that they

1280
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 6: were like reptilian shape shifters who were trying to steal

1281
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 6: your blood and take your guns off you. Well, you

1282
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 6: also need to vote for them now and get all

1283
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 6: your friends and neighbors to as well.

1284
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 4: It's an uncomfortable partnership that the Epstein thing, like that

1285
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 4: is where the Epstein thing is like so dangerous to Trump,

1286
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 4: and like his legacy is that, like it's the most

1287
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 4: clear evidence that like he's exactly the type of person

1288
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 4: you guys are talking about. Like, yeah, the documented evidence

1289
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 4: that is being withheld that allegedly may or may not

1290
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 4: implicate him in the very scheme that you guys have

1291
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 4: read that implicate him.

1292
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 1: Yes, we're all trying to find the guy who did this.

1293
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, exactly, all right, that's gonna do it.

1294
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Speaker 4: For this week's Weekly Zeitgeist, please like and review the show.

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Speaker 4: If you like the show means the world to Miles.

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Speaker 1: He he needs your validation, folks.

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Speaker 4: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 4: talk to him Monday. By