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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And Elizabeth Dutch.

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Speaker 3: How do you do?

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Speaker 2: How do you do?

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Speaker 3: How do you do?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, You're good. Yeah, you I'm pretty fa feeling

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Speaker 2: pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I do have a question for you, though, since you're

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Speaker 2: feeling so good, do you know it's ridiculous?

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Speaker 5: I do?

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Speaker 3: Really, I'm not sure why this story has been bubbling

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Speaker 3: up now. It happened in twenty sixteen, and the reporting

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Speaker 3: is from twenty twenty. But you know, perhaps we were

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Speaker 3: a little bit well it's February twenty twenty, so it's

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Speaker 3: like we didn't know it was about to happen. Really

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Speaker 3: kind of sure anyway, No, but I'm just saying, like

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Speaker 3: you think about the world then, we were, we were

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Speaker 3: such an innocent group of people anyhow. Okay, So twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 3: December twenty sixteen, this lady she meets this guy on

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Speaker 3: a dating app. I'm not sure which one. I don't

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Speaker 3: want to besmirch. Sure, why not a dating app? Anyway,

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Speaker 3: they meet up and they, oh, let's go on a date. Okay, great,

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Speaker 3: and so she goes to pick him up at his parents'

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Speaker 3: house in Rhode Island and then they drove thirty minutes

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Speaker 3: east towards Massachusetts. They crossed state lines and she's like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not really sure about this guy. Like there's some

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Speaker 3: red flags popping up. He pulled out a bottle of

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Speaker 3: wine while she was driving because she picked him up,

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Speaker 3: and he's just chug a lugging and she's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's not really legal. Let's not do that. He's like, okay, well,

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Speaker 3: hold on, I got a stopping and at the bank

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Speaker 3: and get some money. So she he's like, wait right here.

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Speaker 3: So she pulls into the lot. He gets out. She's waiting.

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Speaker 3: Suddenly he comes running back, jumps in the car. He's

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Speaker 3: wearing like he's totally sweating. He's wearing sunglasses, hat, he

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Speaker 3: has a gun in his hands.

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Speaker 2: Got a wig on.

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Speaker 3: He robbed the bank for one thousand dollars cash and

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Speaker 3: he gets in the car and he goes go like's oh,

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Speaker 3: and she's like she panics, Right, Well, what had happened

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Speaker 3: is he go he went into the to the bank,

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Speaker 3: He showed the teller of the gun. He demanded a

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars and he's like, I'm really hurting, man, I

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Speaker 3: really need the money. So they give it to him.

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Speaker 3: They're driving off and the cops you know, are called,

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Speaker 3: and they follow the car and she pulls overuse She's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: I can't even do this. He tries to hide. It's

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Speaker 3: a Nissan Maxima. He tries to hide. Why now, what's

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Speaker 3: her car?

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Speaker 2: Donh Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, So then the cops have to pull him from

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Speaker 3: the car. He spits on him. He gets into this

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Speaker 3: violent struggle. So they find a forty four caliber handgun

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Speaker 3: that was an antique that belonged to the dude's stepfather.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 3: And then they find the hat and the sunglasses, and

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Speaker 3: then the thousand dollars is in his wallet, so like

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Speaker 3: he robs the bank, shoves the money in his wallet

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Speaker 3: and leaves, which is incredible. So anyway, this was a

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Speaker 3: first date from hell oh right.

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Speaker 2: I think they shared this on our It's blue Sky account.

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Speaker 3: And on Instagram. It's popped up suddenly online and like

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Speaker 3: I said, I'm not sure why it's from twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's because of the Louver heist people, because apparently

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Speaker 2: they're like a couple. Oh really, that's what I've I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know, we're going to get into that on the news.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at all the details.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyways, so she gets off like she obviously

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Speaker 3: is not charged with anything, and then he got sentenced

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Speaker 3: to like four years or something like that. Maybe that's

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Speaker 3: why he got out. Well he got out in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why we're hearing about it now, but

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Speaker 3: you're right, Louve No I blame the French.

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Speaker 2: I'm probably not right. I'm just going out on the

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Speaker 2: limb either way.

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Speaker 3: First date from Hell, I like that. Why you stay

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Speaker 3: off dating apps?

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Speaker 2: That is nuts? Just go yeah, I love that. So

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Speaker 2: many red flags.

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Speaker 3: And sir language.

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Speaker 2: Then it was red lights of the police car. Yeah

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Speaker 2: that is good. Well I've got one for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: if you got a second, yes please? Okay. Now, imagine

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth being a more prolific bank robber than Jesse James.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine, and not now like in the nineteenth

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Speaker 3: I really can't imagine that because I was only like four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, you were very young. I thought maybe

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Speaker 2: I might be at the edges of your memory. But

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Speaker 2: either way, these days, no one remembers this dude's name.

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Speaker 2: I don't right now. This is the fate of George Leslie. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: George Leonidas Leslie. Use this architect from the Midwest turned

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Speaker 2: New York City bank robbery and Elizabeth, like I said,

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Speaker 2: prolific huh yeah. For instance, the New York Police Department

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Speaker 2: they estimated the between eighteen sixty nine and eighteen seventy eight,

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Speaker 2: George Leslie's bank crew committed eighty percent of the bank

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Speaker 2: robberies that occurred not in New York City but in

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Speaker 3: Wait stop, eighty percent in the whole us of a yes.

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Speaker 2: Wild like for a decade he did eighty percent of

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Speaker 2: the bank robberies or his crew. Wow, so you know

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Speaker 2: take that, Jesse James. Anyway, this story is what I

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Speaker 2: want to tell you today because it's the strange but

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Speaker 2: true tale of George Leslie.

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Speaker 5: I want you to tell me the story.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 2: heists and cons It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Some would call it nutrageous.

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Speaker 2: Some would Elizabeth. Before we begin, I feel it's important

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Speaker 2: to kind of set and temper your expectations. I know

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Speaker 2: sometimes you can worry from time to time, sometimes so

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Speaker 2: let me just say upfront, in all of George Leslie's robberies,

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Speaker 2: not a single trigger gets pulled, no guns fired, no

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Speaker 2: dynamite gets exploded, no weaponry is used against innocent customers

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Speaker 2: or bank employees. Basically, not a single person ever gets

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Speaker 2: hurt or injured in the story I'm about to tell.

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Speaker 3: You, I already love it.

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Speaker 2: I thought you would. This one's just pure fun. It's

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Speaker 2: like an all whipped cream dessert of crime. Now, okay,

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Speaker 2: now that that's clear, let's dive into a little history

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Speaker 2: and scene set. Like an April of eighteen sixty five,

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Speaker 2: the Civil War in the United States.

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Speaker 3: Ends, Yeah, April sixty five.

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Speaker 2: Right, it comes to its bloody clothes with the defeat

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Speaker 2: of the Confederacy. Now, I know you know all that,

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Speaker 2: that's not the scene setting. Why I bring that up

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Speaker 2: is that at the end of the Civil War comes

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Speaker 2: this explosion in crime, and specifically the birth of bank robberies. Really, yeah, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: did you know that before the Civil War bank robberies

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Speaker 2: super super rare, interesting Like in seventeen ninety eight, had

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Speaker 2: these two men, Isaac Davis and Thomas Cunningham, committed what

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Speaker 2: is known as the first bank robbery in US history

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Speaker 2: seventeen ninety eight. Someday I need to tell you that story.

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Speaker 2: It's a good one, but I need to clarify that technically,

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Speaker 2: that first bank robbery in US history was more of

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Speaker 2: a bank heist since there was no confrontation, no armed persuasion,

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Speaker 2: no violence, no force applied. Right, they just kind of

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Speaker 3: Why do you think it is that after the Civil

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Speaker 2: Oh well, we'll get into I'll tell you a second.

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Speaker 2: I got answers, but first I wanted to clarify when

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Speaker 2: the first one was yeah, and then was considered the

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Speaker 2: actual first true bank robbery happened in the US in

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Speaker 2: eighteen thirty one, which, as a reminder, thirty years before

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Speaker 2: the Civil Wars, bloodshed blossoms into full bloody bloom. Now,

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Speaker 2: bank robberies definitely happened before the Civil War. We've established that,

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Speaker 2: but again, super rare. Anyway, that first official bank robbery

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Speaker 2: back in eighteen thirty one, it was a two man crew.

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Speaker 2: They robbed the bank. Their historic robbery went down in

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Speaker 2: America's financial capital aka New York City, the Big Apple. Now,

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Speaker 2: it was March of eighteen thirty one when James Honeyman

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Speaker 2: and William J. Murray used a set of homemade keys

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Speaker 2: to rob the City Bank of New York.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: As The Saturday Evening Post reported at the time, quote,

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Speaker 2: the keys, which had been made from wax impressions of

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Speaker 2: the door locks, enabled the men to let themselves into

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Speaker 3: I have such respect for people who can make homemade

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Speaker 3: keys for crime. I'd be like whittling and using get

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Speaker 3: one tooth wrong. It doesn't work, Yeah, and I would

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Speaker 3: even I would just kind of like sketch it from memory.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well they used wax and use w Yeah. Really good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: really good facsimile now, as a Saturday Evening Post also explains,

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Speaker 2: James Honeyman and William J. Murray emptied the vault in

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Speaker 2: several safe deposit boxes. By the morning, they had filled

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Speaker 2: in banknotes and coins. That's a pretty damn good haul

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Speaker 2: for the first official bank robbery, because that same two

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty five thousand dollars in banknotes and coins

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Speaker 2: would be now worth nine million dollars. Dang twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: nine point one million, and the bank robbers flee a

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Speaker 2: purple light of morning, with their stolen lootes secreted away

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Speaker 2: under like these large capes that they wore. Love it

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Speaker 2: is it still the fashion of the day to wear caves?

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Speaker 2: Y side note? Can you imagine if the large capes

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Speaker 2: were still fashionable.

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Speaker 3: Well in certain circles as they are, Well, dude, masters.

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Speaker 2: I would be showing up to our recordings looking like

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Speaker 3: What's stopping, is right?

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Speaker 2: I'd be coming to the studio rocking on some stupid

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Speaker 2: big cape, silk lined on the outside, filled the team

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Speaker 2: on the outside.

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Speaker 3: What's right?

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Speaker 2: I can't find a good cape maker, right, I got

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Speaker 2: big dreams, Elizabeth. But you'd be like, hey, hello, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: Why yes, this is a new cape. Thank you for noticing.

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Speaker 2: So I have more capes in my closet than Batman

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Speaker 2: Like I would go off?

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Speaker 3: Is what I'm saying a good cape. Every gentleman needs

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Speaker 3: a good cape, right.

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Speaker 2: But also with the high collar too, about the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: like the early nineteenth century, Like I'm Beethoven's buddy. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's do it anyway. That's that. It was the first

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Speaker 2: successful bank robbery in the US eighteen thirty one. Then

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Speaker 2: along comes the Civil Wars we've discussed, and suddenly bank

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Speaker 2: robberies are to pop off. So, as you said, what changed, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what happened in the Civil War that led to our

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Speaker 2: modern era of bankrupt me.

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Speaker 3: And I have theories, but i'd like to hear.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, lucky for you, I have answers. Nice. You see,

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Speaker 2: it comes down to roughly three factors. For one, there

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Speaker 2: was the nature of money at the time. As we've

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Speaker 2: just got some previous episodes, around the time of the

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Speaker 2: Civil War, banks printed their own money. That led to

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Speaker 2: this crazy rash of counterfeit money. And I'm talking like

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Speaker 2: a lot, a lot like in Abraham Lincoln's time as president.

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Speaker 2: It's estimated that one third of the money in circulation

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Speaker 3: What changes?

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Speaker 2: Well, Elizabeth, the first real bank robbers were the James

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Speaker 2: clandestine tactics surprise and ambush. Quantrell's raiders would ambush Union

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Speaker 2: So once Jesse James Gang planted that seed of any

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Speaker 2: So who was George Leslie. That's a great question, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad, I asked, after these messages, we'll meet

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Speaker 2: the man of the hour, George Leonidas Lesson. Oh he is, okay,

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Speaker 2: So where were we, right?

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Speaker 3: It's like one day he wore wranglers to school and

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Speaker 2: Check out Western George. He's got a middle named Leonidas.

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Speaker 2: So what's dude's secret that made him way more of

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Speaker 3: You tell me.

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Speaker 2: I need to find a new place to reinvent myself

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Speaker 2: he's able to swan into New York high society for

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Speaker 3: Really, they welcome him in the usually so insular.

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00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 2: Oh no, because he's this fun character. He's like the

435
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 2: Count of Money Cristo rolling into town. He's got money,

436
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 2: he's handsome, he's independently wealthy. He's interesting, he's got good marriage.

437
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 2: He's smart. You know, he's not borish exactly. So he

438
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 2: goes in. He starts to enjoy the theater. He attends

439
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 2: fancy operas, He makes appearances at art exhibitions. Everywhere that's

440
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 2: interesting you can find George. He gets Stone also is

441
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 2: a bibliophile who boasts this fine collection of rare first

442
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 2: edition books to smart people respect.

443
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 3: Him, love it.

444
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: He's also consulted by other book lovers and collectors for

445
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 2: his learned opinion, like George, what do you think of this?

446
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 4: Right?

447
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,200
Speaker 2: And so, George Leslie. He also begins to attend high

448
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 2: society balls and fancy Smanchi Gallas because they're trying to like,

449
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 2: you know, marry a mark. You need to meet my daughter.

450
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my cousin's going to be in town soon. Right.

451
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: So he's young, he's rich, he's loving life. It's like

452
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 2: this hip, independently wealthy Midwesterner waltzes into New York society

453
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,639
Speaker 2: and he's got a cheat code for the city. People

454
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 2: are just like, who is this guy? But for George Leslie,

455
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: keep in mind, he's not working. He's so wealthy, he's

456
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 2: not getting a job. Yeah, so how is he making

457
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: his name if not as a well paid architect building

458
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 2: that first generation of tall buildings in New York. Yeah,

459
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: He's like, well, you know, I'm gonna get into a crime.

460
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: He doesn't tell anybody this, but that's his plan. So

461
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: he wants to get in on this whole bank robbery

462
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 2: game that he's been seeing in the newspapers. You know,

463
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 2: the Frank James Younger gang out there. They got this

464
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: whole thing where you rob a bank.

465
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: That sounds fine.

466
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,640
Speaker 2: I want to try that. So once this young bon

467
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 2: vivant ingratiates himself in a New York society, he learns

468
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 2: where the fat cat New Yorkers keep their gold, their silver,

469
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 2: their jewelry, their cash and bonds and securities. What bank

470
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 2: do you bank with? He learns where all the money

471
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 2: is New York. Right, They all tell oh, he's got

472
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: to go down to City Bank of New York and

473
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So once he learns where they bank,

474
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: it becomes this shopping list for his crimes. Sure, remember

475
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 2: I said he's a trained architect. Well he puts all

476
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 2: those same skills to work as a bank robber. He

477
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: basically becomes the nineteenth century Danny Ocean. He's like Ocean's

478
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 2: eleven but with carriage, rides.

479
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 3: Right oceans exactly.

480
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 2: Since he's learned by the wealthy keep their money and

481
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 2: their jewels, he's like, I'm gonna rob those places. So

482
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: and being a trained architect, he's like, let me be

483
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: smart about this. So before he robs a bank, he

484
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 2: pulls the blueprints for the buildings, and if no blueprints

485
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 2: are available, he just draws up his own blueprints. Sure,

486
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: so he'd visit the bank in question, pretend to be

487
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 2: an interested depositor, and he's a rich swell so they're like, oh, sir,

488
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 2: you got to go see our security deposit boxes. So

489
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: then he gets a tour of the vault, and then

490
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,479
Speaker 2: also he tours the whole bank. He takes mental notes.

491
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: Then he returns home, he gets out that blue paper

492
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: and starts drafting up a blueprint amazing. He blots out

493
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: all the key points of interest, namely entrances and exits,

494
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 2: obviously hallways where the bullpens of tellers and bank employees

495
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: are located the whole thing, and also obviously where the

496
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: vault is most important. But since he planned to work

497
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: under the cover of darkness, he'd also include any major

498
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 2: furniture statues like you know, sofas, whatever you might bump

499
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: into in the dark. So he's got it all. And

500
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: I remember how he said bit of an amateur bibliophile. Yeah,

501
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: well he was a reader and he was studious. So

502
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,479
Speaker 2: he familiarizes himself with all the various popular bank vaults,

503
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: all the locking mechanisms, everything. Yale has just basically invented

504
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: locks that are now used for vaults, so this is

505
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: a new technology. So he's reading up all the technical

506
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: information he can find. He's got all the security medas

507
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: that are popular at the time in his head.

508
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: Now well, and he has cover because he can say,

509
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: I'm an architect totally, and that's why I'm ordering all

510
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 3: of these manuals and guides and such.

511
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: You get it. So he becomes his expert in bank security.

512
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: Thus he has no need for like loud, dangerous dynamite

513
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: like the Frank James Jesse James would do right. He

514
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 2: avoids dynamiting bank vaults open because this is not a

515
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: good choice for a crowded New York City bank. It's

516
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: also good standard practice for a bank robber because as

517
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: the desperadoes out west were finding, it was hard to

518
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: know how much dynamite to use. So sometimes they would,

519
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: you know, try to blow up in a safer a vault,

520
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: and they'd use way too much and they'd blow up

521
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: the money inside. The other times there was another danger

522
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: they'd blow themselves up. So it was like a real

523
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 2: right exactly. So he was like, that's less of an ideal.

524
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: So meanwhile, studious George Leslie, he starts creating models of

525
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 2: the bank vaults he wants to practice on, like inside

526
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: his house. He makes fake bank vaults. It just builds

527
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: them up.

528
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: I've I've seen that a couple of the stories that

529
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 3: we've told each other. Here He's like, have the model

530
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 3: to run through totally, it's super smart.

531
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: You have the money, you've got the time, you got

532
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 2: the space. So he spends like a week or more

533
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: practicing how to get into the vault in the dark,

534
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: and he practices how to throw the tumblers of the

535
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: bank vault. Right, he's getting really good.

536
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: Wow.

537
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: He goes further than that, and he likes to have

538
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: you know, one of his crew on the inside to

539
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: kind of help smooth things over, so he would get

540
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: his man. A job at the bank usually has like

541
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: a security guard or the night watchman what they they

542
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: were called at the time, and possibly as a teller

543
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: or a bank porter that people are carrying all these

544
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 2: heavy loads of coins shit. So being a rich kid

545
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: bank Robert or you know, about to be, he likes

546
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: to also have fun with his crimes. So he called

547
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: his bank scores pudding. He's like, oh, this looks like

548
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 2: great pudding, right. He never want any overlooked detail to

549
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 2: spoil the.

550
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 3: Pudding, No, God forbid.

551
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 2: Once he's certain he can beat the vault, crack the safe,

552
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 2: and he knows the whole layout of the bank, then

553
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: he brings in a crew to practice at his home.

554
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: He's like, I want to show you guys something, and

555
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: so he has all these drawing schematics ready up on

556
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: the boards, ready to explain, like you go here, you

557
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: go here, you stand here. The night watchman will be

558
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: doing this, and then he's like, okay, now come into

559
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: my scale model. We're going to practice this. And he

560
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 2: would have the lights offered that gouts, you know, the

561
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 2: candles blown out, and then in pitch darkness he would

562
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 2: stand to the side and judge them and take notes

563
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: like Okay, actually, Bob, you need to be a little

564
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: bit faster at your footwork. And so afterwards he's giving

565
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: them the rundown about how they can all improve. This

566
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: guy is so out of his time. He's super smart.

567
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: New York banks do not see this coming. They used

568
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: to be like rough housing guys with guns and dynamite.

569
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: Along comes George Leslie. So for his first big job.

570
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: It goes down in eighteen sixty nine, which coincidentally was

571
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: the same year he first arrived in New York. Didn't

572
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: take him last time, got right to it, put his

573
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 2: foot right in it. He pulls his first bank job

574
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 2: at the Ocean National Bank Elizabeth. It was rich pudding,

575
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: Oh was it? Yes? According to the December twenty fourth,

576
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty seven edition of The New Yorker, George Leslie

577
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: and his Crew Steel seven hundred and eighty six thousand,

578
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: eight hundred and seventy nine dollars from the Ocean National Bank.

579
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: Huge first score. And two well I know you like

580
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: to know this, God, yes please, and twenty twenty five dollars.

581
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: That would be eighteen point seven million dollars goe first

582
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: bank robbery, and he basically pockets damn near nineteen million dollars.

583
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: That is some figgy pudding, right, So.

584
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: Clearly he's cut out for the crime game. He's like, oh,

585
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm good at this.

586
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 3: That's your first out of the gate.

587
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, boom.

588
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: He could stop. That's his one, his first in his last,

589
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: big score.

590
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 2: He could be he could be done. He could go

591
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: over to Europe and just troodol around.

592
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: The contra, right, That's what I would do.

593
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: But he likes the action. So the very next year

594
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: that his now blooming criminal career almost comes to a

595
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 2: premature end because, like I said, he likes the action.

596
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: So he and another criminal were robbing a jewelry store

597
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: in Norristown, Pennsylvania. Luck wasn't with them that day. This

598
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: was a rough pudding. You know, perhaps he hadn't done

599
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: all this insane necessary prep for this job. Because they

600
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: get caught breaking in. The two men are promptly arrested. However,

601
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: like I said, he's a wealthy man. This saves him

602
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: from the fate that befalls his partner in crime. Did

603
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: you see, Philadelphia and New York polite society are intimately

604
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 2: and closely related in linked at this point in time,

605
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: So the fat Cats and Swells all know each other.

606
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: And so George Leslie is able to lean on his

607
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: connections in New York polite society to get bailed out.

608
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: His partner, just a run of the mill criminal, has

609
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: no such connections, so he gets sentenced to two years

610
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: in prison, while George Leslie basically just forfeits his bail,

611
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: hops the state lines and it's God's good problem. Just

612
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: lost some money. Basically, it's just like I was. Father

613
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: bought him a get out of war card.

614
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: But it didn't damage his reputation in New York.

615
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: No, He's like, oh, there's a misunderstanding. I was in

616
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: the jewelry store. They thought we were trying to break

617
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: down with this common criminal. They must have mistook me exactly,

618
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: you know. So from this point on he trains and

619
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: prepares his crew, but he says, I'm not going to

620
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: be with you for the job, so you guys have

621
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: to know this intimately backwards and forwards, and we're gonna

622
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: go over it and over it and over it till you

623
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: know it better than the back of your hand, to speak.

624
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: So he becomes a mastermind at this point.

625
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: That's incredible.

626
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 2: So he stays home, he works with the fences to

627
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: have a way to get them all paid once this

628
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: crew pulls off the successful bank job. Because, like I said,

629
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: smart guy, he knows what we always say, you need

630
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: to have the fence. You can't just steal diamonds and

631
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 2: try to sell them on the street. You're gonna get

632
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: somebody who can move that stuff. So he gets over

633
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: the fact he won't get the thrills of the job.

634
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: So now he just gets into enjoying the pudding. All right.

635
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: Well, in the logistics of it, totally, yeah, I said,

636
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: smart guy.

637
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: He likes the challenge.

638
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

639
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: So one of his first big bank jobs goes down

640
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: in eighteen seventy six. In January of eighteen seventy six,

641
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: George Leslie gets his mind fixed on enjoying a bowl

642
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: of pudding otherwise known as the Northampton National Bank in Northampton, Massachusetts.

643
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: For this job, he gives his crew a code name.

644
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: He calls him Rufous.

645
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: You guys are all rufous something good.

646
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: Very nice. I couldn't do that now, like all this operations,

647
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have, but I did. It's this well practiced,

648
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 2: elegant criminal operation, right. George Leslie has his crew aka Rufus,

649
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: arrive in town weeks before the planned robbery. He has

650
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: his crew surveiled the bank's employees, establish their daily routines,

651
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: the cashiers, the night watchmen, everybody. Then he also has

652
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: to clock the deputy sheriff, like what's his patrol? Like,

653
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: get it down where you know exactly where he's gonna

654
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: be at eleven, you know, at one am whatever. So

655
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: once he has them all clock and everybody, he uses

656
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: that info to come up with areas that they can

657
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: use as stash spots if they run into problems, and

658
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: that way they can come back to their money, you

659
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: get their stolen loot. And then they also come up

660
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: with hiding places for the actual guys, like you can

661
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: go and be here, nobody will be looking for you.

662
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 2: So they got hiding spots for the money and for

663
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: the criminals. And then if the coast is clear, they

664
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: can gather up their stolen loot and flee. But they're

665
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: all gotten gains. So he's got it down right. You know,

666
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: he's got the here's your exit scenario, here's your backup

667
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: exit scenario. Here's your plans. See you get the idea. Yeah,

668
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 2: but that's not all. George Leslie also has one of

669
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: his crew pose as a vault inspector sent out by

670
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: the company to check the safety of their equipment. Because remember,

671
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: he's an expert in this, so he knows all the

672
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: right language. So the guy goes out there. He cons

673
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: the bank manager into letting him take a wax imprint

674
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: of the vault.

675
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: Key stop it.

676
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: That same guy also convinces the bank manager to entrust

677
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: the combination to the lock of the vault to just

678
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: one employee so that way will be safe.

679
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: That's the worst bank manager.

680
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: So they pick this bank cashier. The bank manager doesn't

681
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: know they pick a cashier. They're like, he needs to

682
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: know because he'll be here on Monday. Just tell him

683
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: and then he'll tell you. Yeah, so the plan is

684
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: working perfectly. They put it into motion. Now all that's

685
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: left to do is rob the bank. But rather than

686
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: me tell you about it, I'd like you to close

687
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: your eyes as a close and I'd like you to

688
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: picture it. It's just after four pm on a Monday afternoon.

689
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: The date is January twenty fifth, eighteen seventy six. You, Elizabeth,

690
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: are a bank cash on his way home. It was

691
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: an uneventful day and now you're enjoying a wintertime walk.

692
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: The town is covered in soft and gentle white. Your

693
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: boots crunch the freshly fallen snow. The eaves of homes

694
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: you pass are decorated with icicles. The cheeks of the

695
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: townsfolk you greet are all rosy from the cold, and

696
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: you cannot wait to get home to your wife and

697
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: enjoy a warm dinner with her. When you reach your home,

698
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: your wife has a hearty stew ready to gather you

699
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: to dine and discuss the goings on of the day.

700
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: After you eat, you spend the evening hours reading, and

701
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: since it's wintertime, you both retire early to bed, and

702
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: just after midnight you are awoken in bed by masks,

703
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: strange masks. It looks like, yes, it is men's underwear

704
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: with holes cut in the drawers for eye holes. That's

705
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: odd and in fact rather terrifying. But whatever could these

706
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: men want? You wonder as they tie you and your

707
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: wife and your five children up. They lead you all

708
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: into another room. You notice that when the men speak

709
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: to each other, they used numbers instead of names to

710
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: refer to each other. One of the underwear masked men

711
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: demands that you tell him the combination to the lock

712
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: of the bank vault. You resist at first, but then

713
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: you finally relent and tell them a string of numbers.

714
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: They ask you to repeat it. You try to remember

715
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: what you just said, but you can't. They know you're lying.

716
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: After they threaten you and your family with harm, you

717
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: tell them the actual combination to the vault. You think

718
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: that's only half of the security measures. They'll still need

719
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: the key to the vault. What you don't know is

720
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: they already have the key to the vault anyway. The

721
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: men stay at your home until four am, and then,

722
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: knowing that the night watchmen would be headed home, the

723
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: men all leave headed to the bank, only they take

724
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: you with them. You all march through that same snowy

725
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: winter wonderland and the quiet of the morning. What you

726
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: don't know is that a couple hours later, your ever

727
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: resourceful wife frees herself from being tied up and She

728
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: rushes out of your home and shouts you all to

729
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: hear they're taking my husband. They're rubbing the ban they're

730
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: at the bank. Please help my husband. At this point,

731
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: it's half past six on a Tuesday morning. Townsfolk are

732
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: out and about. They hear your wife's screams. The townsfolk

733
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: rush to the bank to stop the robbery in progress,

734
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 2: and when they arrive they find it's far too late.

735
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: The bank robbers are gone and so is the town's savings.

736
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: Oh god, George Leslie's crew aka rufus. These men with

737
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: their underwear masks, the men who went by numbers. They

738
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: get away with a huge score, Elizabeth, I'm talking a

739
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: big bowl of pudding. In total, it was one point

740
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: six million dollars in cash, gold, silver, stocks, bonds.

741
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: You're kidding Those New.

742
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: England townsfolk have been saving for day. Yeah, and if

743
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: you convert that to twenty twenty five dollars, this latest

744
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 2: bowl of pudding would be worth forty eight point four

745
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: million dollars today day hot damn right. Wow, that's a

746
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: huge haul. In fact, it was the record for a

747
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: robbery in the US up to that day by a

748
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: long shot. And again suck at Jesse James, you small

749
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: time punk. Of course, records are made to be broken,

750
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 2: which George Leslie and his crew did with their next bank.

751
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 2: But first, Elizabeth, let's take a break and after these messages,

752
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: we'll get back to the robin. Yel Elizabeth, you're ready

753
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: for more bank robbing and record setting. So, after that

754
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: Northampton job goes so well, George Leslie sets the sights

755
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: on his next bank job. It's one he's been planning

756
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: for three years. His latest pudding is the Manhattan Savings Institution,

757
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: located at the corner of Broadway in Bleaker Street. Okay, right,

758
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: so the year is eighteen seventy eight, and the story

759
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: goes after his record setting Northampton job, the Manhattan pudding

760
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: is supposed to be his last job to get out. Yeah,

761
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: you know it. So it's meant to be his crown jewel. Right,

762
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: this is like my crowning achievement. Look at this record setting, right,

763
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: biggest bank robbery score ever. He plans to rob the

764
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: fat cats of New York, the robber barons who are

765
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: making all the money in the second half of the

766
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: nineteenth century. He's like, I'm gonna take them those punks

767
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: so the bank's customers who keep security deposit boxes at

768
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: the Manhattan Savings Institution. They have names like John D. Rockefeller,

769
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: Andrew Carnegie, for Nelius Vanderbilt, Jay Gould, Fucking the o

770
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: j Robber Barns. So like, if he can pull this

771
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: one off, George Leslie believes it'll forever seal his name

772
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: in the underworld as the king of all bank robbers. Sure, so,

773
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: after this job, he plans to leave New York for good.

774
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: He'll head out west, grow old with the country, and

775
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: his wife had already decamped to Philadelphia, so she's out

776
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: of the area. That way he can focus on his

777
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: last and greatest job. Okay, also on his mistress, but

778
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: we'll get into that later. Oh dear, yes boy, well

779
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: if we call that prefacing. And sure now the fateful

780
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: day for his last great bank robbery except for October

781
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: twenty seventh, eighteen seventy eight. His crew is led by

782
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: a man named Shang Draper. Okay, the full crew is

783
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: Shang Draper, Red Leary Wooster, Sam Paris, the two Jimmies

784
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: Jimmy Hope and Jimmy Brady, as well as Abe Cochley,

785
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: Johnny Dobbs, and finally, Banjo Pete Emerson.

786
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: Ban Joe Pete. That also kind of sounds like an

787
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: old timey baseball lineup.

788
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: Doesn't it. I was just about to say, like, if

789
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: I was an old timey crimer, I would so want

790
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: a fun name like that, like.

791
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: Ban Joe Pete. What would your name be?

792
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: Pirate Jack McDuff, I thought about it. It's based on

793
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: the jazz man brother Jack McDuff. Right, I thought that was.

794
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'll be Pirate Jack McDuff because hes already

795
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: taken brother Jack mcduf.

796
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: I like it.

797
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: What about you? What would your old time.

798
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: Thought of it? I don't know. I think I'd be

799
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: like Cinnamon Sally.

800
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: I like that spicy, Yeah, exactly. So. At this point,

801
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: George Leslie has done his usual thorough preparations. He's created

802
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: a blueprint of the building. He's cased the place. He

803
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: knows all the ins and outs, he knows the brand

804
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: and the model of the vault save. He knows everything.

805
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: But uncharacteristically, he considers using a small dynamite charge to

806
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: blow open the vault, but eventually he rules that out

807
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: since the noise of the blast might actually catch the

808
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: airs of the employees, but also the guests at the

809
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: hotel next door to the bank, because this is a

810
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 2: really nice part of downtown Manhattan. So there's this place

811
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: called the Saint Charles Hotel and they've got swells there

812
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: and they got nothing to do. They're working, so they'll

813
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: be home. So not to mention. The blast might also

814
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: arouse the suspicions of the janitor of the bank, one

815
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: mister Lewis Wirkle, who lives in the basement of the bank.

816
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: Oh, you're kidding, along with his family, Elizabeth, Oh you're kidding.

817
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: Those are the live work conditions of someone in eighteen

818
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: seventy eight. The janitor who's got a steady job at

819
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: the bank, Yeah, still has to live in the basement

820
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: of the same bank with his family.

821
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 5: Wow.

822
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 2: Anyway, George Leslie decides, we don't want to disturb poor

823
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: mister Lewis Wirkle and his family at the basement with

824
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: some dynamite, so instead he opts to drill a hole

825
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: in the safe and then hide the hole with putty.

826
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: He's gotten really good at doing this, but now to

827
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: do this to be able to drill the hole and

828
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 2: then hide to a putty, Yeah, he leans on his

829
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: position in the New York City High Society. He arranges

830
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: a job at the bank for one of his crew,

831
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: Patrick Shevlin, by talking to the bank's president. He's like, oh,

832
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: I've got somebody'd be perfect for you. Sure, So he

833
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 2: and his crew now chill and they wait until they're inside.

834
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: Man Patrick Shevlin becomes a trusted employee, and so after

835
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: six months pass, George Leslie goes to the bank after

836
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: hours one day and he meets the night watchman, one

837
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 2: Patrick Shevlin, who lets him into the bank. He's like

838
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: just a come morning right in, sir, and Patrick Shevlin

839
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: then watches the bank from the front door while George

840
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: Leslie gets to work. He drills right into the vault safe.

841
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: He checks the tumblers, he sets the lock so he

842
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: knows the positions of the tumblers that will unlock the vault.

843
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: Then he putties over the hole. So now he's basically

844
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 2: got the vault safe to be like a push button operation.

845
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: And when he's done, the night watchman just lets him

846
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 2: on back out. He's like planned robbery now all set.

847
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 3: Here, Oh my goodness.

848
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: But George Leslie makes one tiny mistake. He forgets to

849
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: re randomize the tumblers, or even better, to set them

850
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: back to where they were than day before, since he

851
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: forgets to return the tumblrs to how he had found them.

852
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: The next business day, the bank employees try to open it.

853
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: They can't open the safe. He has messed up the

854
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: safe's internal mechanisms. So they contact the manufacturer and have

855
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: a whole new lock plate sent out and installed. So

856
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: when George Leslie comes back on his final rounds of recon,

857
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: he's like, wait a minute, that's a new lock plate.

858
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: I didn't do that.

859
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: Oh no.

860
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: So he's like, well, I guess we're gonna have to

861
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: smash her way in. So by this point he's changed

862
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: up his crew. He's been debating working with a new

863
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: because he's not sure about these guys, but he's like,

864
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: that's too much of a hass. I'm gonna go back

865
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: to the guys I know. So he has Shang Draper

866
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: and some of his og crew, the two Jimmies and

867
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Abe Cokeley and Banjo Pete Emerson.

868
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: They're Banjo Pete, are you kidding me?

869
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: He can humbu tune to keep all the spirits high.

870
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: So they're joined by a new guy, some muscle guy

871
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: called Bill Kelly. Okay, good irishman. Right, And at six

872
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: o'clock on this fateful Sunday morning, October twenty seventh, eighteen

873
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: seventy eight, George Leslie's crew all of them wearing masks.

874
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if they were underwear mask. It's kind

875
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: of fun.

876
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: Ladies underwear this time O silky like bloomers.

877
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, we got the ruffles on the edges.

878
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

879
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: So whatever they're wearing, they sneak into the Manhattan Bank

880
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: and now they've bribed a beat cop to stay away.

881
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: So the guy who's walking the beat, he's just like,

882
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk over here and go get myself some

883
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: penny candy. Yeah, so he does as the money tells him.

884
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: He goes to get themself some penny candy or whatever.

885
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: The crew really now only has to worry about the

886
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: night watchman, who they don't because he's one of their crew. Sure,

887
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: so that's out. This leaves only the janitor, mister Lewis

888
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: and his family living in the basement of the bank

889
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 2: as the only chance that they could run into some

890
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: pain in the neck and bystander.

891
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

892
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 2: So when they hit the bank. The crew goes there first,

893
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: they go right down to the basement apartment and like

894
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: it's like the crack of dawn on an autumn morning,

895
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 2: the janitor gets woken up by this masked crew. Same

896
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: as like what happened to you?

897
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, the heart is horrible for me and my family.

898
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: I bet it was traumatizing.

899
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 3: My wife was really especially with.

900
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: The stained underwear on their faces.

901
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the skid marks my kids. My kids were trying

902
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: to like emulate it.

903
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys didn't even have a term Hershey Highway

904
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: yet because it was before Hershey. Exactly what is this?

905
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: So the hard man they tie him up, his wife up.

906
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: They also tie up his wife's mother, his mother in law,

907
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: so they're all bounding gag together. The muscle Kelly, he

908
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: stays in this basement apartment to keep an eye on him,

909
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: you know, keep him from acting a fool. Sure, the

910
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: rest of the crew they head up to the bank vault.

911
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 2: They start working to open it, and they're using, like

912
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: I said, brute force, so think like sledgehammers, chiselsry bars.

913
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: I was gonna say that that it takes them three

914
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: full hours, and as you've said in the past, you

915
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 2: need a thermal lance and a powerful jet, yes, but

916
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: those don't exist. No, So they have to use the

917
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: pry bars, the sledgehammers, and just straight sweat of the brown.

918
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: Muscle exactly, good old fashioned muscle.

919
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: They finally, after three hours, they managed to muscle their

920
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: way into the vault.

921
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

922
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: Then they start to have to pry open the few

923
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: security deposit boxes right right, right, so they do. They

924
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: manage to do that too, and they load up what

925
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: they can into these tasteful smart leather satchels. Because remember

926
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: they're in a really expensive part of man exactly. So,

927
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: and it's morning when they're going to walk out, so

928
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: and be like, I'm on my way to the office, right,

929
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: So they all have now briefcases that they're just loading

930
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: up with stocks and bonds and silver coins and gold coins.

931
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 2: At one point, this patrolman New York City beat cop

932
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: one who they didn't pay off, but happened to be

933
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: strolling home. He sees some suspicious stuff going down in

934
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: the bank on a Sunday morning. Yeah, work screen is up.

935
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: They got like a screen blocking off the area that

936
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: they're working. He noticed that he knows it's like shadows

937
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: moving around. So one of the crew is this fast

938
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: thinking guy, old Abe Cochley. He starts dusting and acting

939
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: as if they're merely just doing weekend renovations, and then

940
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: he gives the big friendly wave in a high to

941
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: the cop from inside the back. The cops sees this,

942
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: and he's now satisfied he knows what's going on. There's

943
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: given the bank a new little jushing, a new look

944
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 2: for the over the weekend.

945
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: He was acting like he knew exactly.

946
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: And we've said this numerous time. The key with cops

947
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: is give them a story they can understand while walking

948
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: or driving past. Right, This pretty much always works because

949
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: you know, they're like, oh, what's going on there? I

950
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 2: know what's going on, and off they go. So this

951
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: guy he heads on home. So the crew they gather

952
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 2: up their tasteful smart leather satchels and they head out

953
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: into the New York morning. They even stop by and

954
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: they meet the beat copy in that area and they

955
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: give him one of the satchels. And so now this

956
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: dirty patrolman's walking home with a smart satchel too, right,

957
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: some fresh pudding. Now the crew gets away with two

958
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: point seven million dollars in cash and securities from the

959
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: Manhattan Savings Institution. Fat cat's money. They got like Rockefeller stocks,

960
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: They've got Jay Gould's bonds. So this becomes the new

961
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: record for a bank job in the US. And I

962
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: did the conversion for Elizabeth in twenty twenty five dollars.

963
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: That would be eighty eight point nine to nine to

964
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: six million dollars.

965
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 3: Great date.

966
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: They walked out with eighty nine million dollars, which just

967
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: goes to show you it pays well to rob the robber.

968
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 3: Barry, Sure it does.

969
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: They got the money where the money is. Yeah, So

970
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: about an hour after the robbery is over and done with,

971
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: the janitor, Lewis wirkle wriggles himself free and he runs

972
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: over to the barber shop that's in the hotel next

973
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: door on the ground Florida at the Saint Charles, and

974
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: he tells everyone the bank has just been robbed, and

975
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: now words spreads, and then eventually cops show up and yeah,

976
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: it's too late, they're gone.

977
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

978
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: The New York Times would call this the most sensation

979
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: all in the history of bank robberies in this country.

980
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: The New York Herald said it's a masterful bank job.

981
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 2: Pulled off by one of the very special bank robbers.

982
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: I wonder if one of the responding cops was the

983
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 3: dirty beat cop and he shows up carrying the leather bag.

984
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you guys, what happened? That's crazy?

985
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: Oh I should have left this someone. So since this

986
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: was now the largest bank robbery in US history, and

987
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: since it was the fat Cat's money that was stolen,

988
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: the NYPD makes it priority number one to find this

989
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: crew and publicly bust these bank robbers. Remind everyone, mostly

990
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: the robber barons, that their money is safe in New

991
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: York Bank, Right. So the detectives, they're like, they got

992
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: they hit the streets, they work their informants, Elizabeth, They're

993
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: they're beating up snitches, looking for anything they can. These

994
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: snitches are only too happy to say it was the

995
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 2: George Leslie Crewe sure they just name them because everybody

996
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: on the underworld knows who it was. They're like, yeah,

997
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: he was working from a George Leslie plan. He calls

998
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: it pudding, you know, just bust it down. NYPD is like,

999
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: who's George Leslie? You mean that rich playboy the ones

1000
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: is always in the theater. You're Talking't be so This

1001
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: is when the NYPD learns that the full scope and

1002
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: breadth of unknown criminal mastermind George Leslie has been bedeviling

1003
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: them for nearly a decade. Old Western George is finally unearthed,

1004
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: if you will, they hear how he's been behind most

1005
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: of the recent high profile bank robberies in the New

1006
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: York Pennsylvania, New Jersey area, when not really New Jersey,

1007
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: more Massachusetts. Yeah, so the snitches starts singing full arias

1008
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: and whole operas of snitching. Oh well, then he did

1009
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: this bank and then that bank, and then you got

1010
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 2: to remember Northampton that was a record setday. So this point,

1011
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: George Leslie becomes nationally famous as the greatest living bank

1012
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: robbery gets his dream. But that's a problem with that

1013
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: because now everybody knows it. The courts, though, can't prove

1014
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: it even though everyone believes it. So the trouble for

1015
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: George Leslie is that while his fame grows, like I

1016
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 2: said earlier, he planned to switch up and start a

1017
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: new gang. Yeah, well, that causes little tension and rift

1018
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: because his old gang kind of hurt about this. He

1019
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: also did another mistake. Remember I said how he had

1020
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: a mistress. Yeah, well, that wasn't just any mistress, it

1021
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 2: was the young wife of one of his old crew.

1022
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: Come on, now, the guy named Shang Draper.

1023
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: What an idiot.

1024
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: While he's romancing Babe Draper, the twenty one year old

1025
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 2: old wife of one of his crew, he also starts

1026
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 2: planning new robberies with his new crew, and then one

1027
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: of his new plans with his new crew fails and

1028
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: his new crew makes mistakes and folks get busted. Consequently,

1029
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: his old crew loses faith in him. He's just not

1030
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: the same old Western George, and eventually, angry about him

1031
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: sleeping with his wife and the fact he's no longer

1032
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: got his magic touch, Shang Draper decides to set up

1033
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: George Leslie. So one day, George Leslie shows up at

1034
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: this bar in Brooklyn, a saloon called Murphy's Saloon, which

1035
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: I have to assume was like a Western cowboy themed bar.

1036
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: I mean, like, I don't know if they had a

1037
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: lot of saloons in Brooklyn at the time.

1038
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 3: He was a common thing.

1039
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: Do they have theme bars and Murphy's.

1040
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 3: It sounds like a good Irish bar.

1041
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would be like a pub then, right, this

1042
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: is specifically a saloon.

1043
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 3: I think that they had saloons.

1044
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't. Just sounded kind of western with the

1045
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: slinging doors and everything. I'm imagining like.

1046
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 3: Showgun place to whistle.

1047
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: But did. But they had other bars and pubs. So

1048
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: why call it a saloon that's kind of a Western thing.

1049
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: Why not collecting show girls.

1050
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 3: Let's say it was a theme bar. They were all black.

1051
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: There we go, thank you, hop on MyD Everyone was

1052
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: a Brooklyn theme bar in eighteen seven.

1053
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: Tenders were dressed like Dallas cowboy cheerleaders. Yeah, they had

1054
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 3: short shorts and white boots and a kicky hat, big

1055
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 3: handlebar mustaches like the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders.

1056
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 2: Of course, I like your imaginings, I know. So they're

1057
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: in this Brooklyn theme bar, this saloon anyway, Murphy's Saloon

1058
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn. He gets past a note and George Leslie

1059
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: checks this handwriting and he recognizes it instantly. On this note,

1060
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: it's in a woman's hand. In fact, it's the handwriting

1061
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 2: of his side piece, Babe Draper.

1062
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: Oh.

1063
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: She has this note slipped to George that her husband

1064
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: Shang doesn't catch any wind of it. He has like

1065
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 2: one of her friends drop it off.

1066
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: Dot her eyes with hearts.

1067
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 2: I let's say yes, just like the bar, the saloon exactly.

1068
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: So she asked him to meet him one last time

1069
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 2: because she's heard word he's planning and blowing town now

1070
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: that the heat's on him. Sure, right, but she he

1071
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: also has this one last new big bank job set

1072
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: up and he's coming up. She wants maybe just one

1073
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: more night of love with him before he leaves town.

1074
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: So what do you think George does? Does he go

1075
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Speaker 2: and go and meet his side?

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Speaker 3: Yes, of course he does.

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Speaker 2: You know he does. Elizabeth leaves Murphy's Saloon on the

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Speaker 2: hunt for some stolen pleasure, and a little while after,

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Speaker 2: George Leslie receives the love note from Babe Draper. This

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Speaker 2: New York City cop, a patrolman, is out doing his rounds.

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Speaker 2: He's out of a place called Tramp's Rock, right, just

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Speaker 2: love that name. It's right there at the county line

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Speaker 2: between Westchester County and New York County at the Bronx River, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: George Leslie is he's not out there, just like taking

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Speaker 2: a nap on Tramp's Rock. When they discover him, he's dead. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's lying there next to and next to his head

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Speaker 2: is his pearl handled pistol, double barreled pearl handled pistol.

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Speaker 2: That turns out Babe Draper was known to carry because

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Speaker 2: he gave it to her.

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Speaker 4: What.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Now, we do have our ninety nine percent murder

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Speaker 2: free guarantee. Yeah yeah, but this is will say, one

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Speaker 2: of those one percent exceptions, or maybe it's not, oh,

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Speaker 2: because technically it's considered an unsolved crime, so that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he died of natural cause.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so either. Anyway, based on what the

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Speaker 2: New York Cops learned from the snitches and the word

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Speaker 2: on the street in the underground, the detectives are able

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Speaker 2: to identify all of George Leslie's crew for the Manhattan

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Speaker 2: bank job, and one by one they all get busted,

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Speaker 2: all except George Leslie.

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Speaker 3: Since he's dead, he's like got the the eternal busting exactly.

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Speaker 2: He's been put down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so's the deep pudding like that.

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Speaker 2: So one of the Jimmy Jimmy Hope and the muscle

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Speaker 2: Bill Kelly they get tried, they're convicted and sentenced to

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Speaker 2: prison terms long ones. Meanwhile, Abe Cochley and Old Banjo

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Speaker 2: Pete Emerson they're also both caught and tried and they

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Speaker 2: avoid conviction because both are acquitted for a lack of evidence. Okay,

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Speaker 2: the crooked patrolman, he gets named by somebody, He goes

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Speaker 2: to the court, he gets tried, but he's wiy because

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Speaker 2: I guess he's been a dirty cop for a while

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Speaker 2: because he bribes a juror and he gets a quit it.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So very few of them actually end up doing prison times,

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Speaker 2: mostly just Jimmy Hope and the muscle Bill Kelly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Surprisingly, the cops are able to recover all but fifteen

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars of the stolen little because what they stole

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Speaker 2: was mostly securities, which they had a hard time moving

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Speaker 2: now that George Leslie was dead. They hadn't thought about

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Speaker 2: the fence. Sure, how do we get rid of j goldstocks?

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Speaker 2: They don't know what to do with Rockefeller's bondw so

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Speaker 2: the course. Obviously, George Leslie never pulls another bank job

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Speaker 2: because he's dead. But George Leslie leaves the game as

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Speaker 2: the most prolific bank robber ever in US history, makes

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Speaker 2: his contemporary bank robber the most famous bank robber of

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Speaker 2: the day aka Old Jesse James look like a small

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Speaker 2: potatoes Missouri chunk.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, completely, he was doing big numbers, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Eighty nine mili. So what's a ridiculous takeaway here?

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about, you know, when we're saying, like

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Speaker 3: we have this rash of bank robberies beginning post Civil War,

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Speaker 3: and I always like to think about you know, you

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Speaker 3: talk a lot about hinge points in history, sure, but

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Speaker 3: you look at World War One being this time when

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Speaker 3: rules kind of went out the window and people thought,

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Speaker 3: there's just chaos is raining, and you've got chemical warfare.

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Speaker 3: You got all these things that you never understood or.

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Speaker 2: Believed to be industrial scale war.

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Speaker 3: Right, and so it felt like there were absolutely no rules.

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Speaker 3: Everything's going crazy. But then coming out of that, you

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Speaker 3: get jazz, you get like modern art data is all

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Speaker 3: this abstract stuff. You get incredible theater coming out of it.

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Speaker 3: So where people are saying, I don't I don't care

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Speaker 3: about the rules, I'm just going to break the rules.

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Speaker 3: And so you look back and you think, like with

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Speaker 3: the Civil War, you had a lot of the immigrants

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Speaker 3: who are coming over. They couldn't pay the money to

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Speaker 3: not fight, so they're landing in New York and being

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Speaker 3: conscripted right there.

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Speaker 2: A lot of them get their citizenships. Yes, they get okay,

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Speaker 2: you're a citizen. And also you're in the.

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Speaker 3: Army, and so you feel like, okay, so you're you're

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Speaker 3: drawn into the army if you can't afford it, whether

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Speaker 3: you're just fresh to the country or not, you're sent

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Speaker 3: down to this place that is totally foreign to you

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Speaker 3: South and they were just laying waste. I mean, they

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Speaker 3: were raiding and just stealing stuff. And then you think, okay,

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Speaker 3: So on the other side of that, you've got people

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Speaker 3: in the South who aren't they don't you know, they're

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Speaker 3: not slave owners, they're not plantation owners.

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Speaker 2: They're just poor.

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Speaker 3: They're dirt farmers, and they're just you know, and they're

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Speaker 3: getting totally raided and they're pushed into this. The rules

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Speaker 3: are out the window, and so you can see where

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Speaker 3: like that kind of you know mentality. Then you got

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Speaker 3: more and more people going west and thinking forget about it,

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Speaker 3: Like you've got the railroad, You've got all these means,

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Speaker 3: why do I have to stick to these rules that

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Speaker 3: mean nothing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no one else is following them. Why a sucker?

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Speaker 3: So that gets me thinking that, you know, other times

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Speaker 3: in our lives when we think, God, there are no

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Speaker 3: rules anymore, no, you know, maybe we will come through

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00:54:56,040 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 3: this with benefits of like losing you know, things that

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Speaker 3: are constricting creativity. Sure, not necessarily for bank robbery, but

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Speaker 3: you know, and that you then swing around where people say, okay,

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Speaker 3: we've got a social contract again. We're as a society,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna agree to a certain thing.

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Speaker 2: The history does it follows like penduloum.

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Speaker 3: It's a pendulum swing.

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Speaker 2: It's not ever like a straight line that goes for

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Speaker 2: everyone direction.

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Speaker 3: But I hadn't thought about that in terms of the

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Speaker 3: Civil War sparking all of this crime. Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 3: this lawlessness because you think, like, okay, what are the

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Speaker 3: rules like the countries at war with itself? You know,

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00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 3: soldiers are coming through and they're stealing everything we have

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Speaker 3: and we're blowing stuff up, and you know we're supposed

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00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 3: to be on the same side, but you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: pulled into a traitor's side just by where I live.

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Speaker 3: So that's my takeaways here, and what's yours?

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Speaker 2: Ah mine? Is I love any story that makes a

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Speaker 2: confederate here like Jesse James look like a punk.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love that, which.

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Speaker 2: I kind of I have intimated numerous times in the

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Speaker 2: telling of this. So I would like more people to

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Speaker 2: know about George Less who robbed from the Fat Cat

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Speaker 2: Robber Barons. Let him be a folk hero of crime

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Speaker 2: as oppose as the Jesse James and Quantrill's.

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Speaker 3: Radio Quandtris raiders. Like they didn't think the war is over.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, there are still people today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was trying not to say that. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: this is a very common thought. The Confederacy played the

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00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: long game. So you in the move for a talkback

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Speaker 2: to watch this all dust sweetly? Oh my god, I love.

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Speaker 4: Get Hi Zarin and Elizabeth. This is Cassidy. Every Tuesday

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Speaker 4: like I have great news. Ridiculous Crime is a production

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that just made my day. A couple

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Speaker 2: having an inside bit about that. Oh my god, it's

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Speaker 2: so good. My heart just skipped a beat. Thank you both,

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Speaker 2: It's a great place to listen if you want, if

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Speaker 2: Oh, you can email us if you like it, ridiculous

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Speaker 3: Well, from the other side of a closed door. We

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Speaker 3: shove them into the broom closet, read the emails.

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Speaker 2: Don't tell anybody then, don't tell HR or Admiral iHeart

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