WEBVTT - Hypnosis: You're Getting Sleepy 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:07.480 It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:16.400 from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.439 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Sitting across from me is 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:22.520 when Charles W. Bryant you might know and love him 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.880 more as Chuckers or Chuck Chuck Tran, Chuck Tran whatever. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.880 Call me anything, Just call me do you can call 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.800 me anything? Just don't call me late to dinner. Ah. Yeah, 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.800 that's another good one. That's a red Kneck one, isn't it. No, 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.320 it's classic. It's not red nick I've always heard it 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.960 from redne All read Nicky's classic. So wait, what accent 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:51.279 was that? It's like Internet Italio serbian. You're getting more 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.840 and more refined, buddy. Um, Chuck, did you see the 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:59.240 Stopwatch I have do? I went to to stare at 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.800 a Chuck Am. You're getting very drowsy, Chuck Am. You're 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:08.160 laying in a field surrounded by little rabbits. I love rabbits. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.320 Y's the rabbits love you too, Chuck. Chuck. Yes, keep 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.399 your eyes open for me, Yes, yes, Chuck, I want 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:21.480 you to bark like a dog. When I snapped my fingers, ready, Wolf, 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.559 very good, Chuck, that was excellent. No, Chuck, I'm gonna 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:28.560 bring us out of this this horribly uncomfortable segment. When 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.480 I snapped my fingers, I'm gonna count to three. And 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.120 when I snapped my fingers, You're not gonna remember any 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.840 of this, just me and the people listening to this. 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:45.200 Well now, okay, okay, one, two, three. Oh hey, Chuck, 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.280 I'm not sure what happened, but I feel lame. You 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.200 feel you should feel lame. You have every reason of Philiams, 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.840 so do I, Chuck Embarrassed, I suddenly realized I just 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.840 bestowed upon you like a really great gift that you 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.160 can't remember what just happened. That was like the worst 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.200 intro we ever did it. It is so just thank 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.040 you lucky stars. Chuck. That is a great intro. Josh. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.560 Because we're talking about hypnosis, well, yeah, it would have 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.880 been a little weird for Australian frogs, right, that'd be weird. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.640 So I'll go ahead and kick start this, my friend 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.960 by saying that hypnosis has been around for a couple 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.960 hundred years and because it has to do with the 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:24.120 brain in the mind, we still don't know a ton 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.360 about how it actually works. I'd like to kick start 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:31.560 this one by saying that hypnosis is complete. I don't 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.840 agree because I have been hypnotized and we will get 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:37.200 to that later. Really, yeah, have you really? Yeah? Sort of. Well, 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.799 we'll talk about it. I'll walk you through my experience later. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.160 That would be great. You've been hypnotized twice. Now you 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.519 realize that you don't remember it. But I don't know 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.520 what you're talking about. I know you don't, but you've 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.760 been hypnotized twice. So technically speaking, buddy, a trance like 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.160 state is what hypnosis is. And um, it's characterized by relaxation, 0:02:56.000 --> 0:03:02.560 heightened imagination, and extreme suggestibility. And they compare it to daydreaming. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:07.400 You're actually hyperintentive. You're not asleep, you're hyperintentive. And uh, 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.480 they like in it sometimes so when you get lost, 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.040 like in a movie, and nothing exists outside the movie 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.520 and you are moating with the movie and you kind 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.640 of believe what's going on is real. And not only 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.240 was it compared to in this article by poor Tom 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.440 Harris um to watching a movie, uh, it was also 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:30.079 compared to driving, reading, and mowing the lawn. Was it. Oh, 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.800 you didn't see that. This is awesome illustration that shows 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:36.840 you all the things that you can kind of self 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.400 hypnotize with, and one of them is apparently writing a 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:44.400 lawn tractor. Well. Milton Ericsson is a expert in the 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.920 twentieth century of with hypnotism. He says that this happens 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.120 on a daily basis to everybody. Yeah, and I know 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.160 what he's talking about. Like, Um, I've definitely driven unimpaired 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.280 before and been like how did I get here? I've 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.160 done that too, man, And you realize you're so focused 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.760 on a thought or a problem or it's just something 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.480 you're trying to work out, that your body's just taken over. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:07.880 And you can do it in a stick shift too, 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.240 it's not just with automatics. Yeah. You know what usually 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.720 triggers my realization that that's happened as I realized some awful, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:16.479 awful song has been playing that I would never listen to, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.760 like one second of like like Bad of the Bone 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.400 is on and it's like the bud you mean George 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:26.240 third good and the Tea Birds that now the t 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:30.720 Birds it's different. George Thirders, you didn't like Thur're good? 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.400 He used to go to the Hollywood Wide by the way, 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:35.040 the same we're on the same workout schedule for a 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.599 little while. Awesome. He like his old bones on the treadmill. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.080 He looks like he's about to die, So I'm sure 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.200 he was. I hated Bad to the Bone, and I 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.440 maintain that. Okay, So if you are listening to Bad 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.359 to the Bone and you realize that it's like the 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:49.800 end of the song it's been on the whole time, 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.440 that's clear evidence that you've self hypnotized exactly. And there's 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.240 also a school of thought that all hypnosis is self hypnosis. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.320 We'll get to those explanations later. That definitely makes a 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.640 little bit of say to me, mesmerized even do you 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.839 want to talk about Mr Mesmer? Yeah, mess that The 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.440 name actually comes from a guy named Franz France Mesma, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.240 and he was an Austrian physician in the seventeen hundreds, 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.640 and he was one of the early proponents of hypnotism. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.120 He thought it was a mystical force though, and it 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:25.280 um was early early on, it was a known as mesmerism, right, 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.080 and then that just eventually became like mesmerizing, right, And 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:32.240 and Mesmer's whole bit was that it was animal magnetism 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:37.240 flowing from the hypnotist like sleep, right, that guy coming 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:41.080 out of his fingers, in his eyes like into the subject, 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.200 and the hypnosis was the hypnotist exerting his will on 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.719 the hypnotized person um, and that was largely abandoned in 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:54.360 the nineteenth century I think was Yeah, a Scottish surgeon 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.960 named James Braid coined the term hypnosis, and it came 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.200 to be seen as a stage that the person went 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:05.159 into guided by a hypnotist, right, gotcha, Well, that's definitely 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.440 what happens um when you're under hypnosis. It's always that 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.760 you talk about the suggestibility. You you think that that's reality. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.840 So the example they gave in the the article, which 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.279 I thought was appropriate for us, is if they say, like, 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.479 your tongue is swollen, you believe that, and so you 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.360 might start talking like you do with a thick tongue. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.160 That's nice. Or if they say you're drinking like a 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.000 cold soda, you might like feel the bubbles or the 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:36.000 cooling effect on your throat even right, uh and Chuck, 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.680 I think it's not that you think it's real, it's 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.680 that you are in much the same way it was 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.400 like into watching a movie or a TV show, Like, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.440 do you ever watch a TV show and you like 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.880 it cuts the commercial and all of a sudden you realize, 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.080 like you're really anxious, like you're about you're in trouble 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:56.920 for something, and you don't understand why, and you realize 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.360 it's because you've attached to what's going on in the 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.279 show so much that you're kind of empathizing with the characters. 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.080 I think it's like that, like the idea that a 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:13.400 dramatic play going on inside a little box can evoke 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.960 emotions in you. That's what hypnosis say. Is this you 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:21.960 don't think it's reality because you're not thinking, yeah, you're well, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.720 well we'll get into the brain of it. Then I 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:26.360 guess this is probably a good time to do it, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.200 right the subconscious mind? Well, yeah, that this is this 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.400 is really where I started to zone out, and really 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.000 I was like, how did I lose the last hour? 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.040 The school of thought, for the most part is that 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:44.520 hypnotism is a way to get into your subconscious mind. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:50.080 You say hypnotism, hypnotism hypnotism, uh taps into your subconscious 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.520 and if your conscious thoughts are the things that you 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:57.520 have to consciously think of in a day, your subconscious 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.800 is still like hard at work doing all the things 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.960 Like you don't think I'm going to get in my 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.400 car and pick up my key to insert it in 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.000 you just you know your subconscious knows how to do 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:12.120 all that, right. Um. Harris used the example of like 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:16.120 losing your keys, right, you're sitting there in your conscious mind. 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.560 I guess in this respect, and I have to put 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.400 this claim around I don't I think conscious and subconscious 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.440 concepts will be around for much longer. But I don't 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:31.160 think so. Um. But from the from the viewpoint of psychology, 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.800 your conscious mind is what's what realizes that you are 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.600 missing your car keys, and all the ramifications of not 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.240 being able to find your car keys, like you're gonna 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.400 be late to work and this is gonna be a problem, 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.360 and where did you leave it last? And all that, 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:49.079 and your subconscious mind are all of the different mechanisms there. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.040 It's governing all the different mechanisms, bringing them together so 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:56.599 that you can have these thoughts, worries and access memories, 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.800 most importantly, so that you can remember the last place 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.320 you put them. So what seems to you like a 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:06.160 sudden flash of insight like there's the car keys, that 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:11.200 that was a series of mechinations by the subconscious mind 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.880 that brought you to your conscious mind to that point. Well, 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.480 that's very pertinent here because psychiatrists think that the deep 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:27.280 relaxation and the relaxed state relaxed, that the relaxed state 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.880 that you get into it is um allows the psychiatrist 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.920 or the hypnotists to tap into that subconscious because of 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.440 the state that you're in, tap that subconscious, tap it. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:41.800 There may be a little bit too that too, right, 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:47.920 there could be, but um, we should probably say, chuck 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:52.480 before we get into that that um, what the subconscious 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:54.840 mind is responsible for some of the big things, and 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.000 that that this is what right right, you've got the 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:07.040 sensation uh, bodily sensations, memories right, um. And with memories, 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.160 especially if you're getting in there and you're you're going 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.080 directly to the source where these things are stored, retrieved 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:18.760 and experienced, right, then you have a lot of responsibility 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.880 if this is actually real, um, by to to not 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:27.199 manipulate these the person in the state absolutely because apparently 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.040 you're dealing directly with the subconscious. So with the talking 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:36.240 about repressed memories, specifically, it's easy to create false memories inadvertently, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.920 so you definitely have to be really careful. But yes, 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.840 you are right that there is some um evidence. There's 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.040 some scientific evidence that there's something going on here when 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.720 people are in a hypnotic state. Right. Well, yeah, the 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.320 conscious mind is the inhibitive component of your body, so 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.079 it's it's the one that's like putting on the brakes 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.199 for things, and the subconscious is the more impulsive and 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.920 imaginative one. So it makes sense that you see those 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.920 stupid hypnosis shows live on stage where adults are like 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.120 barking like dogs and walking around like chickens and stuff, 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:10.000 they're still there. I was in Vegas a couple of 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:14.800 weeks billboards. People love that stuff that, Um, I'm just 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.120 not one of them. But that does sort of make 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.280 sense that if they're tapping into into the subconscious and 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.000 leaving the conscious mind out of it, then that's why 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:27.520 they're uninhibited and feel free to do all those stupid things. Right, 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.559 So there's something to that in theory just by looking 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.839 at it, right, and there there is, um. I guess 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:38.760 people have slapped people into e G. Machines, given them 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.640 electro and cephalography scans, yeah, to see what's actually going 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.360 on the brain, right, and there is something like there's 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:51.240 no there's no change bodily aside from and Tom Harris 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.360 did a good job making this point. People are relaxed, right, 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.079 but that's actually from the suggested relaxation that's not from 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:02.280 the state of hypnosis itself. So like your heart rate 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.880 might slow down and stuff, but it's not because you're hypnotized. 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:08.840 It's just because your chill. Um. But with the with 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:12.000 the brain scancer, I can't remember what we were talking 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:17.800 about sleepwalking. I think you're talking about brain waves right, Um, yeah, 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:22.480 we were. And the low frequency waves associated with deep 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.240 sleep tend to show up more when you're in a 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:30.800 hypnotized state, and the higher frequency waves associated with being 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:35.040 fully awake and alert um slow down something. They don't disappear, 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.160 one doesn't take over and the other one goes away 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.920 like when you're actually in deep sleep. But there the 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:44.560 they're skewed differently than a normal person would have while 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.800 they're awake, and so they're there. Tom also points out 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.520 to that that's not like proof of anything, but it 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.679 is a nod to like, well, this is actually going on. Um. 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:58.600 The same with the study, the cerebral cortex and hypnotics 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.360 showed or hypnotics subject showed reduced activity in the left 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.479 hemisphere and increased in the right. And the left hemisphere 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.680 is where the logical control center is and the right 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.199 is where like the imagination and creativity is. So that 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.320 kind of supports the idea as well. But again not 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:21.480 like hardproof, Chuck, how do you? Um, that's my problem 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.720 with us. There's no hard proof whatsoever. Um. How how 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.440 do you as far as against psychology psychiatry goes, and 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.760 this is in widespread use or vegas, how do you 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.440 hypnotize somebody? Well, there's some different ways, right do you 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.040 can do it? There's the old school way where you 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:40.839 like wave the watch in front of someone that you've 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:46.040 seen in the movie. Yes, that's called field gaze induction 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:50.040 or eye fixation, fixed case, fixed case. What I say 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.719 field gaze? That makes no sense. It hypnotized you to 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:59.480 say that wolf? What was that? Nothing? Uh? So that's 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:01.800 um idea there is that they're just getting you to 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:03.960 focus on something and tune everything out and then they 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.520 lull you to sleep with their tone. And that's sort 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.600 of the old school way, and they don't do it 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.360 much anymore because apparently it doesn't work that well, Yes, 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.360 because people are too smart. And what's the other one? Uh, 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.160 there's another one called rapid which I like this one. 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.760 It's like, Chuck, sleep Chuck, Chuck, you're hypnotized, Chuck, listen 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:27.400 to my voice, you're sleepy, Chuck, focus on me, Chuck, Chuck. What. Yeah, Well, 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.080 and that's what they do in the Vegas shows. And 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.320 they kind of prey on the fact that you're up 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.960 on stage, you're out of your element, and you're nervous, 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.320 and they supposedly that would make you more susceptible to 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.160 that kind of suggestion. Right, that's too then there. Well, 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.720 there's another one called progressive relaxation and imagery, where someone 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.040 might suggest that you're laying in a field. That's the 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:49.520 one that was used on me, or surrounded by bunnies. 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.160 Where was this? I okay, I'll go ahead and just 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:58.840 tell the story. I went to a hypnotherapist about four 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:03.840 times before. I didn't go back and he, uh, this 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:05.600 guy would. It was in his house over there off 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.240 Monroe and this dude's apartment and he was sort of 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.520 creepy and like the whole situation was a little unnerving, 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.200 and uh, but I did want, Like they say one 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.200 of the things that you have to believe that you 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.960 can be hypnotized in order to be hypnotized, Like you 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.320 can't go in there as a skeptic probably and like 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.200 cross your arms and say wave your watch. But um, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:27.960 I believe that, you know you could do this because 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.640 my friend went through the cigarette hypnosis and it really 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.120 worked for him. So he had me look at a 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:36.520 this huge painting that was on his wall and just 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.640 like focus on that. And he had this like new 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.440 age in your music playing softly and the lights were dim. 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.200 That's a little creepy. And he lulled me with too 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.560 with his voice, you know, and all that. And I 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.880 went three times, and I guess I was looking for 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:56.160 a hypnosis experience where I didn't remember what happened and 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.760 I was like out of it. But from reading this, 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:00.640 it's not like you're out of it. You're just in 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:05.040 such a relaxated, relaxed, relaxated, relaxed state that you can 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.680 go there or something. And the only success that I 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.240 will say is for one of the sessions I got. 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:16.320 It's sort of like meditation. Have you ever meditated too much? 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.040 Going on, Yeah, well, you probably wouldn't be very good 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.520 with hypnosis. Plus I can't get into the lotus position 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.880 to save my mon. Well, you don't have to. Um. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.880 It's sort of like meditation though, and that this one time, 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:33.200 I really really was lulled into this like super relaxed state, 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:36.880 and we talked about some stuff, and then afterwards I 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:38.520 came out of it and he was like, all right, 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.280 how do you feel. It's like, I feel really relaxed 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.640 and good. He said, how much time do you think 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.160 that took? I was like, I don't know, about fifteen minutes. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:46.840 He went, look at your watch, it was an hour 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:54.040 and twenty minutes. Dude, right to check, right, No, he 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:58.600 just went through your talking. Uh so it's sort of worked, man, 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:02.200 I mean I felt did you feel better? Well, yeah, 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.359 I didn't go back. I think I went back one 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.080 more time and they went, it's not for me. You 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:08.840 went back for that fourth pity visit exactly. But I 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.120 felt bad for the guy and then I just quit 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:14.760 like returning calls. Basically, he's like, please come over, but 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.960 I won't charge you. I haven't seen another person, and 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:19.959 so I know he kind of gave me that feeling 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.560 I hope he didn't listen to the show, but um, 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.320 breaking me out, man, Like the passage of time definitely 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.720 weirded me out to where I was like I lost 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:32.080 an hour somehow. So you know, I was not saying 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.080 I believe in it, but it was pretty real. Well you, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:41.760 I guess we're probably yeah, debunk it. Well, the problem 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:47.760 is you You totally nailed the not just why hypnosis 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:53.359 isn't necessarily real, but why psychology isn't necessarily real? Chuck, 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:57.879 have you heard of the Dodo Bird effect? No, Dodo 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.280 Bird effect? It was there was a psycholog just in 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.160 I think the thirties and I can't remember his name, 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.640 but he figured out and it's it's been proven time 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:10.440 and time again that no matter what psychological orientation you're using, 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:18.639 whether it's um, Freudian psychoanalysis, UM or behavioral cognitive behavioralism, whatever, 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.320 as long as the patient believes that he or she 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:28.640 can be healed, believes in the therapist's abilities, and the 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:34.440 therapist believes in that orientation, there's going to be success. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.680 It is powerful, but the mind of the patient is powerful. Right. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.040 What is described by the Dodo Bird effect, and it's 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.840 based on some part of I think through the looking 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.520 glass or whatever, the Dodo bird decrease, everyone's a winner. 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.879 It's the placebo effect. That's what hypnosis says. It's a 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:59.840 placebo effect, but more specifically, it's a socially or cultural 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:05.360 bound placebo effect like voodoo. Remember when we talked about voodoo, 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.840 and it's there's a well we when we talked about zombies. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.080 I don't think we touched on it and voodoo. But 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.160 with zombies, it's like, if you live in a culture 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.480 that believes in zombieism and steps are taken to make 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:22.800 you think that you have been afflicted and and and 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.840 made into a zombie, you're going to act like a zombie. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.399 Most likely. That's what hypnosis does in my opinion. Well, 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:32.400 and I sort of agree with that, But he also 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.240 makes a point to when I was reading this, I'm 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:35.560 glad he made the point in the end because the 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:37.480 whole time I was thinking like, yeah, but if the 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.080 end result is the same as hypnosis, isn't that the same? 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.480 Like it's kind of splitting hairs, And he makes that point, 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:49.560 what's the difference if the placebo cures your ills? Well, 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.720 the differences is like if you can tap into the 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.679 placebo effect. That's what optimal because you're letting the body 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:00.240 take over and take care of itself. The problem whom 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.560 is is when you write a check to somebody, okay 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.720 for something that you could have done yourself. Or there's 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:10.520 an entire field of study like psychology that entire other 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:14.320 fields of study like economics or well let's just go 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.440 with economics are based on the findings of and those 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:22.240 findings aren't right it's all placebo effect. Then you've got 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.720 a real problem. Yeah, I guess it's a solid point. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.679 It is, so I think if we identify the placebo effect, 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:29.560 you have to identify it. But the problem is if 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.720 people know that it is a placebo effect, then it 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.560 kind of ruins its effectiveness. Usually well, because you gotta 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.800 believe in it going in. Yeah, for sure. One of 0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:41.280 the ways they use it is um habit control treatment. 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:43.919 And that's what I was talking about. My buddy Johnny Pindell, 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:50.720 who quit smoking. What's your buddy's name, John Pendell? Johnell. Yeah, 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.040 he sounds like he should be wearing like a Jeane jacket, 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.400 might deaf Leppard and black like marker on the might 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.240 be and he might be as you met Johnny. He 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:00.480 was the guy in New York that's all guy in 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:02.359 the back of the van with us. Oh yeah, I 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.439 like that guy. I could totally see him in a 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:06.920 jean jacket with death leopard on the back. He U 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:09.720 he went through the cigarette program and a lot of 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.639 times it's like overeating or smoking and they'll basically what 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:15.760 they'll do is hypnotize you and reprogram your subconscious to 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.520 like you're you're gonna feel nauseous every time you smoke 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:23.400 a cigarette. And it, you know, with varying degrees of success. 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.439 It's worked on some people, including John I think he 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.200 smokes now, but that was years ago. Again, though, I mean, 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.720 did it really work. It worked for a little while. 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.240 If he didn't work because he believed it there It's 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:39.600 not just that though. I mean a lot of cancer 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:44.679 patients apparently undergo hypnosis to get through uh chemotherapy or 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:46.919 to try and heal right period, and a lot of 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:51.360 people swear by that. Um. Same with childbirth. UM. Then 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.399 there's somewhere you're getting in some areas where it's like no, no, 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.480 if this is a placebo effect phenomenon, like we shouldn't 0:21:58.480 --> 0:22:01.440 be using this at all, Like for sick. Yeah for sure. Yeah, 0:22:01.480 --> 0:22:04.640 because we talked about implanning false memories, there's a likelihood 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:06.880 of that. Yeah. What they'll do in forensic is they'll 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.960 they'll get someone who has like a suppressed memory of 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:13.480 like an awful crime, and they'll hypnotize them to bring 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:17.200 out these like details of the crime scene. But that's 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.800 really controversial when it's used at all. Um there's also 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.520 um oh, isn't there another one, Chuck? Well, just regular 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:30.280 psychotherapy if you have like phobias or h fears, you know, 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:33.840 subconscious fears, which is much like the habit control hypnotic treatment, 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:38.679 except it's more usually more um guided towards things like 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.719 phobias rather than quitting smoking. Right, But it uses a 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.960 lot of the same tricks, like rather than you'll be nauseous, 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:47.960 the next time you get afraid of flying, right, it 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:50.720 will be it would? It would? I guess kind of 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.679 instill in you self confidence or something like that, like 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.000 you are you don't need to be afraid of this 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:00.760 plane wreck. You'll it'll be over eventually. This is gonna 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:05.200 be a email generator. I think I think we'll get 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:06.520 both sides of the coin on this. A lot of 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:08.719 people are gonna say, no, dude, I was hypnotized and 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.359 it was real. Or I went and saw that Vega 0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:13.919 show and you don't know anything. It was hysterical, right, 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:16.200 Or I think it's bunk and I'm I'm a skeptic. 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.320