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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zenie Quick, Quick, quick, get over there.

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Speaker 3: You know it's ridiculous, I do Ted Danson.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's pretty ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: No, but this isn't about like any of the obvious

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Speaker 3: things what we're all thinking of, what the birthday for

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Speaker 3: older No, this goes back when he was eleven. If

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Speaker 3: you don't know about that, look it up. But when

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Speaker 3: he was eleven, Uh, he was a little street criminal apparently,

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Speaker 3: really not real stream criminal. Yeah he was. He lived

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Speaker 3: in like northern Arizona, like Flagstaff.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they's like up in like the high desert, but

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Speaker 3: the pines. It looks like a lot like around Tahoe. Sure.

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Speaker 3: Right, So he's up there, and uh, apparently he and

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Speaker 3: his friends were kind of hooligan ish, and so they

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Speaker 3: chopped down all these billboards around Flagstaff, Arizona. Yeah, his

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Speaker 3: father was the one to put their crime spree to

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Speaker 3: end by putting the pieces together. You know how he

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Speaker 3: got caught. His father was the director of the Museum

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Speaker 3: of Northern Arizona. And that's the only one of the

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Speaker 3: billboards they and cut down. Tad's like Ted dancing there

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Speaker 3: you go.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Ted, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 2: Forgetting to fill the cans? I don't know. This is

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: You damn right.

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Speaker 2: Do you like Wes Anderson film?

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Speaker 3: I do. I really enjoy the most recent one. I

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Speaker 3: didn't like it's weird. I like the beginning. I liked Rushmore,

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Speaker 3: I like Bye Bob a Rocket, and then I went

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Speaker 3: through like a spot. I was like, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: but something that they're getting too repetitive. And then I

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Speaker 3: really liked The Phoenician Scheme.

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Speaker 2: That's a great movie. I'm a huge fan.

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Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan Oficio del Toro, so it was

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Speaker 3: kind of an easy list for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like, I mean, yeah, I think my al timer

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Speaker 2: is The Royal Tenant Bone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that one, left that one too.

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Speaker 2: I really liked The French Dispatch was a good one,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not so much that some ones that I really.

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Speaker 2: Liked, but yeah, the Phoenician.

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Speaker 3: Scheme in the Hotel was the Grand That one didn't

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Speaker 5: I didn't really get into The Life A Life Aquatic

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Speaker 5: and that one for me, but bits and pieces of

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Speaker 5: those films, but they didn't like the first ones like

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Speaker 5: they all held me, including the Royal Tenement.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I think that.

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Speaker 2: It goes beyond. Like his whole visual aesthetic is what

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Speaker 3: That's when it got too known.

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Speaker 2: I was super visually appealing, you know, I love it,

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Speaker 2: But there's like a darkness and a sadness about his

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Speaker 2: work that I love, yeah, completely, and mainly because it's

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Speaker 2: always tempered with really incredible humanity and vulnerability, and so

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Speaker 2: it means that there's some light in there. And he

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Speaker 3: Can get past that diorama scene quality. I know you do,

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Speaker 3: now he's got to reinfuse it with life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fee about.

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Speaker 3: The Benichio Deltor did a great job of reinfusing it

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Speaker 2: I don't know her name, yeah, yeah, everyone, he goes,

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Speaker 2: They're incredible. I found this crime right and at.

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Speaker 3: First Wes Anderson doing no.

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Speaker 2: But at first I thought maybe it wasn't something we

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Speaker 3: At first, okay, but you're going to put the light in.

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Speaker 2: As I read about it, I was overwhelmed by a

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Speaker 2: make this into a film and pay me a finder's fee.

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Speaker 2: Benicio del Toro going to play in this? Seren? I

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Speaker 2: do not know Willia Wilson brother be involved? Bro? I

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Speaker 3: This boy please.

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Speaker 2: His name was George Hunt Walker Warehouser. He was born

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Speaker 2: July eighth, nineteen twenty six, in Seattle, Washington, to Helen

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Speaker 2: and John Philip Warehouser Junior. Is that Warehouser's last name

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Speaker 2: It looks like Weaherhauser. It's a timber company.

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Speaker 2: Exactly. You've seen that green tree looking logo. So they

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Speaker 2: own currently more than twelve million acres of timberland in

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty four, their revenue was over seven billion

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of toilet paper, so much toilet paper. So,

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Speaker 3: Young George, do you think they're the lobby that keeps

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Speaker 2: You know what, I never even thought of that, but

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Speaker 3: I always like to imagine that. I like that big fightersides.

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Speaker 2: The George right. He's the great grandson of company co

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Speaker 2: founder Frederick Warehouser. In May of nineteen thirty five, George,

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Speaker 2: Young George, his grandpa, John P. Warehouser Senior, died and

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Speaker 2: you See It? George is only eight? And it was

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Speaker 2: a big deal, the death of John P. Warehouser Senior.

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Speaker 2: It was front page news in the Tacoma News Tribune,

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Speaker 2: headline screaming lumber leader passes built timber Empire. Exclamation points erin.

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Speaker 2: Lumber leader passes built timber Empire. John Philip Warehauser, power

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Speaker 2: in Timberfield dies of pneumonia. John Phillips Warehouser Senior, seventy six,

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Speaker 2: one of Tacoma's outstanding citizens and one of the nation's

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Speaker 3: He just wanted to be known for his good wood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, sorry, I wanted to be known for the goodwood.

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Speaker 2: But doesn't that sounds like something that you would see in.

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Speaker 3: It was very Wes Anderson, Yes, know about him.

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Speaker 2: Next to the obituary on the front page is a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the obituary went on to tell the story

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Speaker 2: Was super low key quiet money. That o bit was

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Speaker 2: He'd done time here and there starting when he was seventeen.

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Speaker 2: He was a knock about young crimer with a pretty

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Speaker 3: Do we know anything about it? He ran kind of

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Speaker 2: No no, he was just like a little petty criminal.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so urban kid, Urban kid, I got you.

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Speaker 2: One of the times that he was locked up, he

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Speaker 3: Check out pretty boy Floyd or Swede Davis.

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Speaker 2: April nineteen thirty five, Harmon and Margaret. They're living in

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Speaker 3: Ah, they were inspired, we can get in on that game.

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Speaker 3: How hard is it to grab a kid?

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Speaker 2: Right? So they get there immediately start tailing young George.

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Speaker 2: They surveilled him as he went to school, they watched

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Speaker 2: Of the thermists. Yeah, and so the guys they would

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Speaker 2: at eleven forty five on a Friday morning, May twenty fourth,

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Speaker 2: in Sports Illustrated, it is a long story as to

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Speaker 2: why quote Miss Berg of Lowell Grammar School dismissed her

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Speaker 2: brown eyes. His teacher added, an alert, obedient, and brilliant pupil. Now,

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Speaker 3: I was surprised by that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they took their lunches at home, but they were

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Speaker 2: That yeah, so George, he would generally walk from his

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Speaker 2: I would tell this story as a ridiculous crime. Yes,

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Speaker 2: He looks like thirty eight, No, George. And that's the

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Speaker 2: when they grabbed him, here they said, and shoved a

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Speaker 2: they got out of the car. They blindfolded George, and

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Speaker 2: Is that what this is? He didn't know, but he

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Speaker 2: They sat George down on a log, and they took

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Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't sound like like a grave, you know.

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Speaker 2: So the guys they take her in guarding him. George

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Speaker 2: they put George back in handcuffs, lowered him back into

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Speaker 3: The family.

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Speaker 2: Here it was signed egoist likest egoist and on the

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Speaker 3: What do your egoist from? Percy Mini? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, just say we are Percy Mini, Percy Minnie. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's take a break when we come back. The ransom

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Speaker 3: Stuck in a hole in the earth.

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Speaker 2: Eating a picnic. The note was like a siren call

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Speaker 2: to the FBI. They descended on Tacoma. So when the

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Speaker 2: the Warehouser family. They ran two ads in the Seattle

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Speaker 2: Post Intelligencer. The first read quote, expect to be ready

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Speaker 3: Smart. Right.

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Speaker 2: So then meanwhile, Harmon and William they go back to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we want you to be comfortable. It must have

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Speaker 3: When they're cuffing him, children's wrists are small, so like,

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Speaker 2: And the next evening comes along Harmon and William. They

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Speaker 2: An even rougher ride in the trunk, right, George though

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Speaker 3: They put him in the biscuit box.

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Speaker 2: They put him in the biscuit box. George later said,

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Speaker 2: him in there and then Harmon slept on a mattress

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Speaker 2: outside the door. William got the car headed for Seattle

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Speaker 3: I can so see the wes Anders Yes, especially.

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Speaker 2: The whole process for this is so dramatic and Wes

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Speaker 2: Anderson esqud. So Margaret sent a letter to George's dad

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Speaker 2: telling him to register at the Ambassador Hotel in Seattle

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Speaker 2: under the name John Paul Jones. Led Zeppelin complete and

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Speaker 2: they're like, wait there for a phone call. So I

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Speaker 2: getting along swimmingly. Harmon would let George out of the room,

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Speaker 3: Playing like twenty so on hoo on, and like.

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Speaker 2: Everyone told George, you know you're going to be home soon,

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Speaker 2: him mad exactly, and they hurt me, just waited out,

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Speaker 2: so may twenty.

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Speaker 3: Other stuff together they've got all these plans.

436
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: They got a ukulele. May twenty eighth, nineteen thirty five,

437
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 2: George's dad ran an ad in the paper, quote, we

438
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 2: are ready, Percy Minnie.

439
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: It's m I N N I E yeah, like many

440
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: of the moo.

441
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So at seven pm the same day he registered

442
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 2: at the Ambassador Hotel in Seattle under the name John

443
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 2: Paul Jones. Then exactly he gets another note delivered by

444
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 2: a cab driver, and it contains the following and structions.

445
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: Step one, drive to Reinier Valley with the money. Step two,

446
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: look for a steak with a white flag on the

447
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 2: right hand side of South Renton Avenue. Step three, look

448
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: in the tin can under the flag. Step four, drive

449
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: straight ahead seven hundred feet to another white cloth and park.

450
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: Step five leave the engine running and parking lights on.

451
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So George's dad did just what he's told like.

452
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: He drove to the spot, found two sticks stuck in

453
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: the ground with a piece of white cloth on him.

454
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: In the can, there was a message. It told him

455
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 2: to go to another stick with a piece of cloth

456
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: on it further down the road for the next set

457
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 2: of directions. George's dad gets to the second marker. There's

458
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 2: no message there, so he hung out there for two hours,

459
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: but then he gave up and went back to the hotel. Okay, Zarin,

460
00:23:49,040 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 2: close your eyes what I want you to picture it.

461
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: It's May thirtieth, nineteen thirty five, eleven thirty am. You

462
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 2: are John Philip Warehouser Junior, and your son George has

463
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: been kidnapped. You tried to follow the first instructions to

464
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: get your boy back, but the kidnappers had somehow botched

465
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: the second part of the drop off details. So you're

466
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: now back at your hotel room under the name John

467
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 2: Paul Jones, waiting on how you can save your son.

468
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: The phone rings through to your penthouse room. Hello, you say, ah, yes,

469
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: it's a guy doing a very bad, vaguely European accent.

470
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: It's all over the place, mister Weyerhauser. Why don't she

471
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 2: follow my instructions? You tell him that there weren't any

472
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: instructions at the second marker. Oh, you tell him you

473
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: would have followed the directions if there had been any

474
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 2: to follow. Ah, yes, I see wheh heal is what

475
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: you do? Now? Drive with the money to one one

476
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: zero five East Madison Street and look for a tin

477
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: can directly inside the gait that will contain frozer instructions.

478
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: You run down to the lobby. You're chauffeur idling at

479
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: the curb out front. You tell them to get out

480
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: and let you drive. He obliges. You tear out and

481
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: race to eleven oh five East Madison Street. You get there,

482
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: see the tin can inside the gate and read the note.

483
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: It tells you to drive to the Halfway House on

484
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 2: Highway ninety nine near Angle Lake. You know the place.

485
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: It's a restaurant with a steep pitched roof, opened a

486
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. Off you go, speeding down highways

487
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: until you reach the restaurant. Outside, you see a tin

488
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: can marked with a white flag. It directs you to

489
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: another location. Off you go again. You get to yet

490
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 2: another location from there, ripping down forest roads. Then you

491
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: get to what will be the final can. You pull

492
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: the instructions out and read them. Step one, park the

493
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: car and place the bag with a two hundred thousand

494
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: dollars ransom on the front seat. Step two, leave the

495
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: vehicle with the engine running. Step three, dome the light

496
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: and leave the driver's door open. Step four walk down

497
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: the road toward the highway. If the money is in order,

498
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: George will be released within thirty hours. You do exactly

499
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 2: as directed. You get everything set up in the car

500
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: and you start walking. You know George's level headed, he's

501
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: like his grandpa. You have a real connection to him too, though,

502
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: so you know in your bones that he's okay and

503
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: will remain that way. You take a deep breath and

504
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: you walk on. About one hundred yards away from the car,

505
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 2: you hear a loud noise coming from the bushes. You

506
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 2: turn and see a man jump out and run to

507
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: the car. He gets in and screeches away a cloud

508
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: of dustin's waking. There goes your car and two hundred

509
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. You start walking out toward Highway ninety nine

510
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: to summer, ride back to Tacoma and wait for your

511
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 2: boy to be returned to you. Now, wow, Margaret, and

512
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 2: that there all right? So Margaret, William, they were actually

513
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: parked nearby during the drop off, and it was William

514
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: who jumped in the car. He drove it to a

515
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: little shack that he'd rented on the outskirts of Seattle,

516
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: and when he got there he hid the money and

517
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 2: he left George's dad's car in like a random neighborhood

518
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: At three point thirty in the morning on June first,

519
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty five, George was released on the Issoqua Hobart

520
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: Road near Issaqua with two blankets and a dollar and

521
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: it was raining.

522
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me, George? They were so much meaner

523
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 3: to children before, like the seventies or whatever, Like you

524
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 3: get back to the thirties, it's just like they're basically

525
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 3: treated like animals.

526
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 2: But that like very pristine Wes Anderson scene of him,

527
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: like the car off and he has a single dollar

528
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: and two blankets and it's raining and he's just staring

529
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: straight ahead.

530
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 3: People treated children often, even when they liked them, as

531
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: like we can make more.

532
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they're tough, yeah, and it's.

533
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: Not it's fun to make them anyway.

534
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: So George walked for six miles until he reached a farmhouse.

535
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: They left him six miles from a farmhouse.

536
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, And it's like this shingled house in the

537
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 2: forest on a little hill middle of nowhere. It was

538
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: early morning. The farmer and his family were getting ready

539
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 2: for the day, and George knocked primly on the door

540
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: and waited and then missus John Boniface, the wife of

541
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: a stump farmer. What so, a stump farmer is someone

542
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: when they clear cut the land, then he goes in

543
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: and breaks up the stumps and removes them, which is

544
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: like backbreaking.

545
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: Oh it's possible.

546
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: Work.

547
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: Removing stumps is the most arduous and irritating, frustrating work

548
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: you've ever done. You can see where you go go

549
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: to chemical warfare with stumps and like let's get some

550
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: change and attractor or whatever else.

551
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: That's his job. He's a stump farmer.

552
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: I thought he was actually though, like farming something in

553
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: the stumps, like mushrooms or something.

554
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: No, he's just like backbreaking work. That's so. The farmer's

555
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: wife looks out into the drizzly dawn, sees the boy.

556
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: He says, I'm George Warehouser. Like that's that's the first

557
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: thing he says. She ushered him in recent headlines, totally

558
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: got him dry socks shoes, then instructed him to sit

559
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: at the table with her four kids and have some breakfast.

560
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: And then mister and missus Boniface they stayed measured in calm,

561
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: and the kids eight and mister Boniface then got dressed

562
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: to drive the boy back home. So soon enough, George

563
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: and the farmer are on the road. At six point

564
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: thirty in the morning, mister Boniface pulled into a gas

565
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: station in Renton. He asked the attendant to call the

566
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: Warehouser residence, but no one answered. So the next call

567
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: was to the Tacoma Police, and he told him what

568
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: had happened, that he had George. He'd shown up at

569
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: the doorstep and he's look, I'm driving him home right now.

570
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm a stall farmer.

571
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: I'll bring him in. And the cops are like, that's fantastic.

572
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: So now, somehow a sports writer from the Seattle Times,

573
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: this guy Johnny Dreer, who was in Tacoma to cup

574
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: or the kidnapping, he got a tip that George had

575
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: been freed. And I don't know if that came from

576
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: the cops or the gas station attendant, but it had

577
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: to be one of those.

578
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: Assume the cops, because you know, yeah, a lot of

579
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: reporters know that you can slip some money or like,

580
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 3: you know, right, whiskey or cigars.

581
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 2: Sure, so he flagged down a taxi. The reporter flags

582
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: down a taxi, tells the driver head for renting. There's

583
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: no one on the road. So when they saw this

584
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: old model t Ford like farmer looking truck, like about

585
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: eighteen miles outside of Tacoma head their way down the road, yeah,

586
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: they had. He had the cab driver block it, pull

587
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: across traffic and block it. And he didn't say so explicitly,

588
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: but he intimated to the farmer that he was a

589
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: police officer. And he flashed a five dollar bill which

590
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: would have been a kid to like one hundred dollar

591
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: bill today, and convinced the farmer to hand George over. Yeah,

592
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: this right, So the writer shoved George into the taxi

593
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: and told the driver to take back roads in order

594
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: to avoid the cops. He wanted to get back to

595
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: Tacoma undetected. And the reporter told George to lie down

596
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: on the back seat and then he sat in the Footwell, so.

597
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 3: He's been rekidnapped, just a soft kid.

598
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: Then he begins to interview him, okay, and he later

599
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: described George's chipper after eight days and chains either in

600
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: a hole or like some closet somewhere George's chipper, and

601
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: George apparently thought it was funny that Drer was a

602
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: reporter and not a cop. Like he thought the whole

603
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: thing was hysterical.

604
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a rare perspective on life.

605
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dreyer was like beside himself with adrenaline, like he's

606
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: all charged, scoot the story. He's going to be the

607
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: one to triumphantly return with George. And he's like, oh,

608
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: give us a kiss, he tells him and like taps

609
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: his cheek and George's like, okay because it's his cheek. Yeah.

610
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: Weird details, very odd. So seven forty five am, George

611
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: walks through his front door. He is home.

612
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 3: Oh, he takes him back to his house, Take him

613
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: to his house.

614
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: George's dad is over the moon. And so like the

615
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: reporter stood around waiting to be acknowledged, was totally ignored,

616
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: not even to thank you. The farmer was a different story.

617
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: So JP Warehouser Junior gave the farmer, according to the

618
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: Warehouser Family Museum, quote, lifetime employment in a Warehouser Timber

619
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: Company mill and a monetary reward sufficient enough to purchase

620
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: several acres of land and build a new house. Do yeah,

621
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: because I'm sure that George was like, look this reporter,

622
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: he's a card. But whatever, he gets nothing but the

623
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: farmer exactly. And so, since the kidnapping was at this

624
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: point national news, the news of his safe return was

625
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: like all over the papers, in the radio. And a

626
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: lot of that was due to the fact that a

627
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: reporter and not the cops had picked him up from

628
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: the farmer. Well just because like the cops would have

629
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: been able to keep the story taking down. But it

630
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: was just immediate all and speculation everything.

631
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: And it's just a wild story this too.

632
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And so George much later told his family

633
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: that quote, the worst trauma came from being encircled by reporters,

634
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: cameras and questions and microphones as a little boy, trying

635
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: to face that kind of media presence was really difficult,

636
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm beta.

637
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: Especially when it was new, Like it wasn't like an

638
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: adulation that we now have where people like cameras, they

639
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: like the attention, because back then, it's like, what is

640
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: going on right right? Snap? Flashball? Flashball?

641
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: Flash ball, let's stop here to celebrate George's return. Okay,

642
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: and when we come back, we're going to talk justice. Zaren, Elizabeth,

643
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: Darren George's home, George. So, with George returned safely to

644
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: his family. Law enforcement kicked into high gear. The New

645
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: York Times described it as quote the greatest manhunt in

646
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: the history of the Northwest. Really, I don't know what

647
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: kind of tracks they have those, but okay, I'll take it.

648
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: They hadn't already started their investigation because they didn't want

649
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: to do anything that would freak out the kidnappers and

650
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: endangered George. But now they're in action. So remember the

651
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: serial number list, right, they sent those out. Those immediately

652
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: went out.

653
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: They're ready for on that list June second. That's quick.

654
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: One day they got a hit. A twenty dollars ransom

655
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: bill popped up in Huntington, Oregon. An agent at the

656
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: train station there said a man use the bill to

657
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: buy a ticket on the ten ten PM train to

658
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City. Then two days later, another twenty dollars

659
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: ransom bill was used to buy a money order at

660
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 2: a post office in Spokane, and then by June seventh,

661
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: more than twenty ransom bills had been traced to various

662
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: stores in Salt Lake City. It's like a bunch of

663
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: ten dollars bills had been passed at a Cresses and

664
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: a Woolworths ten cent store, and they were used by

665
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: a young lady who was buying food food, and you know. Yeah,

666
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: So the FBI set the Salt Lake City cops in

667
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: undercover to the cashier's cage of every variety store in

668
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: downtown Salt Lake City to screen the bills for the

669
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: random serial numbers. So, on June eighth, nineteen thirty five,

670
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: just a day after the Woolworth's purchases, a cashier at

671
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: a Woolworth told the detective station there that a woman

672
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 2: had tried to pay with one of the ransom bills.

673
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: She was using a five dollars bill for a twenty

674
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: cent purchase. Now, remember a fiver is like a honey.

675
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, she's trying to basically break the bills.

676
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the detective took the woman, the one that

677
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: we know as Margaret Whaley, wife of Harmon Whaley, to

678
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: the FBI's Salt Lake City field office, and at the

679
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: field office, agents searched her bag and they found another

680
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: ransom bill. And when they asked her name, she told

681
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: them it was missus Margaret von Metz. Yeah, none of

682
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: her met none of her stories added up. She gave

683
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 2: them a Salt Lake City address. But then the agents

684
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,720
Speaker 2: looked into it in the place an they've been rented

685
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: three days prior, but now they had the address, so

686
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: they're like, let's do a steak out, guys, what the

687
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: heck they've got coope, I want to meet this mister Von.

688
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: That's that's right. Off they go. So soon enough they

689
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: have that guy in custody and he had the name

690
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: mets m Etz tattooed across the back.

691
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: Of one hand really like knuckle tat.

692
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: Like the back of his hand. Oh like yeah, which

693
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty five was really hardcore.

694
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right.

695
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 2: Like nowadays, all sorts of people have tattoos that used

696
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: to be considered job killers, like hands, neck face. Everybody's

697
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 2: running around looking, as I like to say, like a

698
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: desk in a detention hall at an underperforming high school. Exactly,

699
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 2: everybody's a notepad. My day, you got a tramp stamp

700
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: and you liked it, sarn.

701
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: But back then it was only like sailors in like

702
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 3: hardcore jailhouse.

703
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: Tests, like exactly, you're in like the Barker gang, right right,

704
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: So anyway, the Feds brought him in. The couple is

705
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: identified as none other than Harmon Mets Wayy. So Harmon

706
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: this whole time, has this mets tattoo on his hand,

707
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 2: twenty four and his wife Margaret el Dora Thulen, aged

708
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: nineteen from Salt Lake City, the dim wit stars of

709
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: our show. She went home, always go home, They always

710
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: go home from When the FBI searched the apartment, they

711
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 2: found thirty seven hundred dollars in the stove, partially burned. Yeah,

712
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: so the FBI lab in Washington, they confirmed that the

713
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: bills were part of the ransom money. And at first

714
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: Harmon said he didn't know nothing about nothing. George, who where?

715
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: How's her?

716
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 4: What?

717
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 3: Never heard of him?

718
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: But when the agents patted him down, they found two

719
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: of the ransom bills in his pants pocket. So he

720
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: finally copped to the kidnapping, and he was sure to

721
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: tell the fans that William dannerd alias Bill Mayhon alias

722
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: Sweet Davis had done the job with him. Margaret confessed

723
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: to and Harmon was like, no, she's making that up.

724
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: She didn't know anything about the kidnapped. He's chivalrous, So Harmon,

725
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 2: he told the cops that he and William were going

726
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: to split the cash fifty fifty, but William pulled a

727
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: fast one and took an extra five k. What did

728
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: Harmon use the money for other than the Woolsworth runs?

729
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? What did he Well, he bought a.

730
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: Ford Roadster and registered it to one Herman von Metz Okay,

731
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: and the rest of the cash he stashed under some bushes.

732
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: How much ninety grand Wow, just stuck it all under

733
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: some bushes. So they're like, where where are the bushes?

734
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: Harmed hopefully in jars, Harmon, where are the bushes?

735
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: Harmon?

736
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: He was like fine, and he writes this down and

737
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: they take it. They go out June eleventh, nineteen, picked

738
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: it all up.

739
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: They got it, they found it all.

740
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: They found it all. They're moving quickly.

741
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 3: So then Harmon, why didn't they just go to Canada?

742
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 3: I mean, like, come on, kids, Harmon.

743
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: He shared some important information with the Feds. He was

744
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: scheduled to meet up with William at Margaret's parents' house,

745
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: and the agents they're like, that's great. When is this

746
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: supposed to happen? Oh, five minutes off they go. They're like,

747
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: we're going to go intercept William. So they get to

748
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: the house and Margaret's grandpa opens the door and tells

749
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: him that a man came to the house asking for

750
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 2: the Whaleyes Margaret Harmon. The grandpa said that he told

751
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: him that the Whaleyes had been there earlier to pick

752
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: up their luggage, but that they went back to Salt

753
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: Lake City and got arrested, and the man shouted, quote,

754
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: my god, did they get everything they had? And then

755
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: he ran back to his car and peeled out. So

756
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: the FBI labs they're working overtime on all this evidence.

757
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 2: They positively id everyone's fingerprints at the shack where they

758
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 2: divided up the loot. Harmon's fingerprints were found on those

759
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: instruction cans left for George's dad William's in the wind.

760
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: So he ran initially to Butte, Montana, which maybe was

761
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: not the best place because one day after he arrived,

762
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 2: a cop who had arrested him for bank robbery back

763
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty seven saw him and went in for

764
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: an arrest. So he essentially ran home to Yeah he'd

765
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: seen it, but the cop had seen the bolos so

766
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: but he slipped the Butte cops and they found that

767
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: he had purchased a brand new Ford V eight sedan

768
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: back then. Ell yeah, that's and in it a suitcase

769
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: that had fifteen thousand dollars in it, oh buddy, all

770
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: of it ransom cash. So William he hid in like

771
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: the wilds of Idaho and Washington for weeks.

772
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: There's plenty of those.

773
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: He was like on foot tracking. Then he made his

774
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: way to California somehow. June nineteenth, nineteen thirty five, the

775
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 2: federal grand jury in Tacoma indicted Harmon and Margaret Whaley

776
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: and William dannerd for violating the Federal Kidnapping Act, conspiracy,

777
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 2: and extortion. So Harmon he pleaded guilty. Two days later,

778
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: he got sentenced to serve forty five years on the

779
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: kidnapping charge and then two more years on conspiring to kidnap.

780
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 2: After that, so they shipped him off to the Federal

781
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: pan on McNeil Island, Washington, and then later he got

782
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 2: transferred to Alcatraz.

783
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: I was about to say they intended to Alcatraz.

784
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: They sent him to the rock. So Margaret, she wanted

785
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: to plead guilty to kidnapping charges, but her public defender

786
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: was like, no, don't do that.

787
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: Please come on.

788
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: He said that there was quote nothing in the indictment

789
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: that could convict her. So the judge like, then, I'm like,

790
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: this doesn't sit right with me. The judge thought it

791
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: would be best if she stood trial and pleaded not guilty. Like,

792
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: why is his opinion in this whatever? Judge was like, yeah,

793
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: that's a good idea, plead not guilty. Okay. So she

794
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: goes to trial July ninth, nineteen thirty five. This is

795
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: moving fast, seriously, and it lasted only five days. Her

796
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: attorney called only one witness, Margaret, what is.

797
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: It, then, judge? A little sweet honor.

798
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, but she according to historylink dot org,

799
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: the free online encyclopedia of Washington State History, Quote claimed

800
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: that she had no knowledge of the kidnapping until the

801
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: day after it occurred, but she willingly testified about traveling

802
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: on a road that passed through Blanchard and Spirit Lake,

803
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: Idaho and back to Spokane, Washington, as well as assisting

804
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: William Daynard in renting hideouts and acquiring the rants money.

805
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: Margaret said she went along with a scheme because she

806
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: was raised in the Mormon Church and a basic precept

807
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: of the faith is absolute obedience to your husband. She

808
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: also claimed that Dannerd threatened to kill her, Harmon and

809
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: the boy unless she cooperated fully.

810
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: This is next to godliness. As far as I was

811
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: concerned child. I mean, come on, who in the Bible

812
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 3: has not kidnapped a child?

813
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: Well, it's in there. So after closing arguments, the judge

814
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: instructed the jury that quote, while religious beliefs were not

815
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: a justification for committing criminal acts, compulsion through threats of

816
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: bodily harm might be a valid excuse.

817
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

818
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: So they deliberated for five hours and forty four minutes.

819
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 2: They came back and they found Margaret guilty of both charges.

820
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: Oh she got I thought she was again.

821
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: No, she got sentenced to twenty years in prison for

822
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 2: the kidnapping and twenty years for conspiracy, and they had

823
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: to be served concurrently at the Federal Detention Farm in Milan, Michigan.

824
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: Okay, I think you got twenty essentially, what about William?

825
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: What about William?

826
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: Elizabeth question? In early nineteen thirty six, ransom bills started

827
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 2: popping up again, oh six months later. But it wasn't

828
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: because the numbers matched the list that was circulated. It

829
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: was because the serial numbers had been doctored, and then

830
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: when they were analyzed, the FBI lab was able to

831
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: pull the original serial numbers and buy gum Those were

832
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: ransom bills. So May sixth, nineteen thirty six, almost a

833
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: year beforehand, clerks at two different banks in Los Angeles

834
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: reported that a man had exchanged altered bills at their institutions.

835
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 2: They'd gotten his driver's license number and it came back

836
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: to Bert E. Cole, and so agents combed the neighborhood

837
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: of the address on the driver's license looking for clues.

838
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: They found a Ford that had also been registered to

839
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: this Bert character. And so, you know what this calls

840
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: for stakeouts were staking it out. But first they tinkered

841
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: with the engine. So then soon enough this guy comes out.

842
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 2: Dude comes out, tries to drive off in the car,

843
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: but it won't start, and he gets out and he

844
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 2: pops the hood and then the agents just descend.

845
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: It was like the signal uh huh.

846
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: He was arrested. He didn't resist. According to the FBI

847
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: itself quote, when questioned, Dannard admitted his participation in the kidnapping.

848
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: At the time of his arrest, agents recovered thirty seven

849
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy four forty seven cents in ransom

850
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: money in bills that Danard admitted he had received in

851
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: exchange for ransom money. Special agents also recovered fourteen thousand

852
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: dollars in one hundred dollars bills that Dannard had buried

853
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: in Utah. In addition, various dies and other paraphernalia used

854
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: to change serial numbers on paper currency were found in

855
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: the garage of his Los Angeles, California home.

856
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: That's some real g man stuff, though, like early thirty

857
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: men energy, you know, like changing with the car, waiting

858
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 3: for the signal who he is because he tries to

859
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 3: fix the car when the engine does a work. Then

860
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: they go and they find the dies used to adjust

861
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 3: the numbers of the.

862
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: Dollars, wearing highway pleaded pants the whole time. So William,

863
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: oh yeah, they got the shellac. William gets extradited to

864
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: Washington to stand trial. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced

865
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Speaker 2: to two concurrent sixty year prison terms for kidnapping and

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Speaker 2: conspiring to kidnap. In their investigations, the FBI uncovered a

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Speaker 2: guy who was helping William wash the ransom money. This

868
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: dude named Edward Fliss. Fliss, he's your Wes Anderson name. Seriously,

869
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: they picked him up at the Devil.

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Speaker 3: Never met a person named Fliss in your life? Have

871
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: you even sad you're out.

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Speaker 2: There, leave a talkback, Edward Fliss. They picked him up

873
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 2: at the Delmar Hotel in San Francisco, Francis. Yeah, he

874
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: went peacefully, copp to everything. They sent him up to Washington.

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Speaker 2: He was indicted for assisting in the in the disposition

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00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: of ransom money. He pleaded guilty. He got sentenced to

877
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: ten years and had to pay a five thousand dollars fine.

878
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 2: While he was in prison, Harmon wrote to George and

879
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: George wrote back, and it was wow. And it was

880
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: the sixties. By the time Harmon got out of prison,

881
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: he'd been at that point, he was in Leavenworth in Kansas.

882
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 2: Oh damn yeah, And like secretly, without Harmon knowing, George

883
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: got him a job there so he could get on

884
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: his feet. And when he was asked why he would

885
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 2: do such a thing, George told of all people's sports

886
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: illustrated quote. Why did I do it? He asked, looking annoyed.

887
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: I went through all sorts of sensations when I was kidnapped,

888
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: from fear and concern to the point where I felt

889
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 2: sorry for him. This eight year old boy has pity

890
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: on them on his kidnapper, he feels.

891
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: And at least, you know, safe and comfortable enough to

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00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: feel bad for the people who are taking him. And

893
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 3: he's like, what could I do to help them? What

894
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 3: can I do so they don't go around taking.

895
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: More because I feel bad? This is what this guy

896
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: thinks his options. Yeah, and this kid has this confidence

897
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: in life because at what he has no insecurities whatsoever. Anyway,

898
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: So George married his wife, Wendy in nineteen forty eight.

899
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Speaker 2: She also came from a tim family. They had six

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Speaker 2: kids together. George was CEO of the Warehouser Company from

901
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty six to nineteen ninety one and was board

902
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Speaker 2: chair until nineteen ninety nine. He died in twenty twenty

903
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: two at the age of ninety five, and of his kidnapping,

904
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 2: he said, quote, a young boy is a pretty adaptable organism.

905
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: He can adjust himself to conditions in a way no

906
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: adult could. It didn't affect me personally as much as

907
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: anyone looking back on it might think.

908
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 3: Interesting, is it so, Zaren?

909
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: What's her ridiculous? Takeaway?

910
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: The Pacific Northwest fascinates me and the characters that are there,

911
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 3: And he very much fits in what I'm learning about.

912
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 3: And obviously this is very nineteen thirties, early twentieth century specific,

913
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: but yet it fits the Pacific Northwest vibe. It's very

914
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: similar to like Maine and like the Flip though, you know,

915
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: like without the religiosity. Instead it's like this outdoorsy kind

916
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 3: of self sufficiency kind of like it's a very interesting

917
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: bid that I'm learning about the Pacific Northwest. But this

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00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: eight year old boy being the like the most adult

919
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: character out of everybody in this story is wild.

920
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: That they're all foolish, but he him keeps the level

921
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: head the whole.

922
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: Time exactly, never loses his head, doesn't like you know,

923
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: fear for anything, pays attention to all he needs to

924
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: to hopefully, you know, both survive and then be able

925
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 3: to you know, as I assume, free himself or save himself.

926
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: At some point, like he realizes they're going to make

927
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 3: some mistake.

928
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to need to know where I am right

929
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: and that and the information he was able to give

930
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: the FEDS was was a gold mine. Yeah, he gave

931
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: them so much. And it's like you think too though

932
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 2: at that time, like you were saying kids are different,

933
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, like we treated kids differently and.

934
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 3: What we expected of them, what their experiences were the adults.

935
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 3: They had to deal with a lot of the not

936
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: just like oh, everyone was drinking more, but I mean

937
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: you had a lot of like war ravaged men, you know,

938
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 3: and then and then generations of that dating back to

939
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 3: the various wars of the time, either immigrant wars people

940
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: survived wars of it and then came here and immigrated here,

941
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 3: or else Americans who'd gone through the various you know,

942
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: the Civil War, the Spanish American War, World War One.

943
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: You had a lot of guys who were shaped by violence. Yeah,

944
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: and so there was a lot of violence these children expected,

945
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: like getting doffed on the top of the head by a.

946
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: Streamer mentioning something to me the other day about the

947
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: last Like in all of the films and TV shows

948
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: you watch, like where you see it peter out of

949
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: kids playing in like an abandoned lot.

950
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, playing like an alley with like broken glass or

951
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: like a tire on fire.

952
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, when that switches over that we don't see kids

953
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: doing that.

954
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 3: It's basically like the end of the seventies of nineteen

955
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: eighty was the movie I was talking about The Hunter

956
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 3: with Steve McQueen. Yeah, that's the last movie I can

957
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 3: think of where you see kids doing that, like most

958
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: of the twentieth century stuff of like we're just throwing

959
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 3: rocks at a dog. You're like, what, that's your game?

960
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: Totally totally Yeah, So like a child's life experience in

961
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: those days was far different. We're better and for worse.

962
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: What's a ridiculous take away, Elizabeth?

963
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: This needs to be Anders. There's just so many like

964
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: the picnic on the log, the ukulele scene, him getting

965
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: left in the ring, him knocking on the door of

966
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: the farmhouse like it.

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Speaker 3: Also, I mean, I don't think now, but a young

968
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Speaker 3: Gus van Sant film also.

969
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he could also Cohen Brothers.

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00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: Coen Brothers, Yeah, Jim Jarmish, Oh yeah.

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00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 2: So I'm just I'm looking for this as a movie

972
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: and I want to finders be someone's got to pay

973
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: me for.

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00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: Even Sophia Coppola could kill this one. Maybe you like

975
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 3: with the whole wealthy people. She's usually good with wealthy people.

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00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 2: Uh, I need to talk back after all that, so Dave, talkback, please?

977
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I want.

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Speaker 2: Y'all. This.

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Speaker 4: Cynthia from West Virginia just letting you know I'm watching

980
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Speaker 4: this Korean cooking show I love called Chef My Fridge

981
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 4: and one of the chefs is using an ingredient of

982
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 4: canned cockles from the Principality of Sealand so what we

983
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 4: got Celand cockles in there?

984
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 5: Wow?

985
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: Wait, what they're exporting cockles?

986
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: I didn't something about that. I may have the story

987
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 3: on Ceiland.

988
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: I know I did Ceiland, but I don't remember if

989
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: I said they were harvesting cockles. I kind of feel

990
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 2: like maybe they were either way. But they're like ten

991
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: and now on a show like Chef My Fridge, it's

992
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: like pit my ride Chef Fridge. Like, I heard you

993
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: like grapes. What about if I put grapes on grapes?

994
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: I have to watch this. Thank you for everything in that.

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Speaker 2: That was a good one. That's it for today. You

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Speaker 2: can find us online at Ridiculous Crime, and we're also

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