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Speaker 1: Welcome in to a special episode of What's Right with

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Speaker 1: the Great presented by boost Mobile. This is I think

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Speaker 1: our first ever Friday night record, and as the audience

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Speaker 1: who watches Colin Coward's podcast knows, I don't have many absolute,

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Speaker 1: adamant rules in life. But one of them is if

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Speaker 1: I'm doing a podcast at night, I'm drinking during it,

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Speaker 1: so I have a glass of wine. And I also

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Speaker 1: have another rule, which is and this is a new rule,

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Speaker 1: but I've decided I'm leaning into it because every once

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Speaker 1: in a while people kind of like invite themselves on

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Speaker 1: on the pod, And I've never really found the right

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Speaker 1: way to be like we don't do guests because they

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Speaker 1: know we have done guests because Lil Wayne was on

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Speaker 1: the pod like our fifth or sixth episode ever, but

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Speaker 1: he's the only guest we've ever had. We've had co

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Speaker 1: host Danny Parkins's Coasted, Bamani Jones's Coasted, but never a guest.

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Speaker 1: So new official What's Right with the Great podcast rule,

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Speaker 1: if you are not in a goat discussion in your field,

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Speaker 1: can't come on the pot, which is why I am

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Speaker 1: allowed to bring on our second official guest ever Poker

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, the Goat Poker commentator, my good friend

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Speaker 1: Nick Schulman. Nick, you and I have known each other

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Speaker 1: for a bit. We've always talked about doing some broadcasting together.

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Speaker 1: We kind of did broadcasting together the World Series, but

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Speaker 1: it was just we were all on the same broadcast,

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Speaker 1: but we never shared a microphone. We're finally doing it.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, man.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you, dude. Thanks for having me, I

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Speaker 2: mean for it to be wheezy and then me obviously,

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Speaker 2: I'm very honored.

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Speaker 1: So all right, so the for the what's right audience

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Speaker 1: that isn't as familiar with poker, I'm gonna quickly give

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Speaker 1: Nick's resume. He's gonna get embarrassed by it. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do that just as an introduction, and then talk about

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. Nick's been a professional poker player

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Speaker 1: for the better part of twenty years, best I can tell.

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Speaker 1: Weeks after turning twenty one, you hit what is to

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Speaker 1: this day your biggest tournament score ever? Is that right? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good way to start. Yeah. Won the Borgatta, one of

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Speaker 1: the Borgatta tournaments, for about two million. Since then, has

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Speaker 1: won seven World series of poker bracelets across a bunch

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Speaker 1: of different disciplines, and was this year's sole inductee at

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Speaker 1: least for a little bit, to the Poker Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame and in his first year of eligibility. He is

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Speaker 1: also the voice of high stakes Poker and the voice

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Speaker 1: of a ton of poker that people watch either on

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Speaker 1: Poker Go or on stream wherever, and is also a

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Speaker 1: die hard boxing fan, and I say he won't say this.

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Speaker 1: I consider boxing expert also sneaky, probably pool and golf expert,

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Speaker 1: but there's not as much of marketing for that. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk some boxing on the back end and

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Speaker 1: a ton of world series on the front end with

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Speaker 1: our second guest ever after what was So let's just

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Speaker 1: start right here, Nick, in the twenty years you've been,

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Speaker 1: you know, professional professional poker player for around twenty years,

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Speaker 1: was this the most historic world series you can remember?

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Speaker 2: Without a doubt, Without a doubt, the Grinders win kind

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Speaker 2: of I feel you'd have to go back to Stu Unger,

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Speaker 2: who I would think some of your listeners may have

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Speaker 2: heard of, even if they don't follow poker. But he's

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Speaker 2: considered probably one of the five to ten best no

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Speaker 2: limit tournament players ever. But he had a very historic win,

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Speaker 2: and I would say this is the biggest one since.

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Speaker 1: So I'll go, I'm gonna, off the top of my head,

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Speaker 1: try to give the Stu Unger quick story and then

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Speaker 1: we comp it to this. Stuunger won the Main in

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Speaker 1: and then came back in the late nineties after you know,

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Speaker 1: was dealing with a lot of personal demons. I think

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Speaker 1: that's fair to say, yeah, came back and won the

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Speaker 1: Main again in to become the only right three time

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Speaker 1: main event champion, certainly the only of the anything close

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Speaker 1: to the modern era, and I think the only three

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Speaker 1: time main event champion Michael Mcsrocky. There's the poker There's

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Speaker 1: the main event that even people that aren't poker fans,

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Speaker 1: they know what that is. That's the one Chris Moneymaker won.

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Speaker 1: That's the one that used to be on ESPN for

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Speaker 1: hours and hours and hours. There are a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other tournaments at the World Series, and the one that

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Speaker 1: people is the Poker Players Championship that's changed over the years.

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Speaker 1: Used to be horsed and it was eight game, nine game,

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Speaker 1: but it's the the kind, yeah, the crown jewel of it.

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Speaker 1: I think there has been twenty Poker Players Championships over

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Speaker 1: the there's been one of the last twenty years. Mike

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Speaker 1: won it in twenty ten, then he won it twice more,

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Speaker 1: and then he won it again this year, and so

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Speaker 1: the main because that's what makes and if people don't know,

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Speaker 1: he then went on to win the main event, So

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Speaker 1: he won the Poker Players Championship, won the main event,

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Speaker 1: and the reason I'm saying to Nick that Nick was

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Speaker 1: the only Hall of Fame inductee. The Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: made an exception and just snap inducted Mike into the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame after winning the main But let's go

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Speaker 1: back a few weeks if you can. When you're following.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you played the PPC, I assume, so

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Speaker 1: you were in it. Were you ever in this tournament

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Speaker 1: at the same table as Mike? I was? Okay, So

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Speaker 1: all right, so let's talk about this because this is

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Speaker 1: what I want to get into because there seems to

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Speaker 1: oddly be a bit of a debate over Michael Musrocky

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Speaker 1: is he actually good or and which seems like the

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Speaker 1: dumbest fucking thing ever. But it's some really like good

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Speaker 1: poker players like actually not that good. When you're at

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Speaker 1: the table with Grinder, what is he doing differently in

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Speaker 1: your opinion in that tournament specifically that is led to

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know, it's a great question, and it's not

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Speaker 2: the easiest one to answer, But I would say it's

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Speaker 2: kind of multifold. So the PPC is a collection of

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Speaker 2: some of the best players in the world at overall poker,

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Speaker 2: so there's no limit which kind of everybody plays. So

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Speaker 2: to speak, it's the most popular game, and the PPC

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Speaker 2: is a collection of a variety of games, both limit

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Speaker 2: and bet. The Grinder will get in there with some

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Speaker 2: receiver phil Ivy, it doesn't matter, and just for lack

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Speaker 2: sitting there like he's the shit, and he is. Then

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Speaker 2: he has this habit of just always having an enormous

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Speaker 2: it up. So he's sneaky, he's got a lot of hustle,

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Speaker 2: he acts like he's crazy, then he switches gears and

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Speaker 2: and just an unbelievable ability to read people in high

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Speaker 1: So all right, so let's so it would seem almost

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Speaker 1: irrational that I could see how someone with his style

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Speaker 1: big field no limit tournaments because he's going to get

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Speaker 1: like you said, leverage his image. But the PPC is

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Speaker 1: the opposite of that. It is a small field compared

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Speaker 1: And there's it's in again. I am the definition of

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Speaker 1: an amateur player, but I do play all of the variants.

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Speaker 1: There's it feels like you shouldn't be able to leverage

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Speaker 1: a deuced to seven triple draw game, you know, against

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Speaker 1: a lot of egregious mistakes made in the PPC. And

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Speaker 1: yet he has found himself the winner four times. And

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Speaker 1: so is there is there something specific about his style

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Speaker 1: follow up would be, do you like, are you going

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Speaker 1: do you think we're going to see people try to

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Speaker 1: mimic it emulate it? Be like, if that's what works,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. You know, we all all of the

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Speaker 2: we we watched this ship, we're all, you know, remember

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Speaker 2: there's there's definitely those moments, but he's just really doing

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Speaker 2: he just has it I mean, I don't think we

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Speaker 2: But after the main and his fourth PPC that the

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Speaker 1: Well, and so that's and so again this is you know,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have the audience that's never watched a single

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Speaker 1: he wins the PPC after I don't like, I'm not

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Speaker 1: but it's fair to say like he has not been

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Speaker 2: He's hardly even played the last few years.

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Speaker 1: Right, so he he kind of wins the PPC out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere like that, He gets the final table pretty quickly,

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Speaker 1: gets a nice chip lead, wins that and if that,

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Speaker 1: if he then you know, spent the rest of the

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Speaker 1: series at Spearment, he would have still probably made the

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Speaker 1: hall next year. You know, your dear friend and our

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Speaker 1: mutual friend, Scott sever would have something to say about

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Speaker 1: that and whatever. But there was when he won that

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Speaker 1: Rast getting in the year he did. So if he

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Speaker 1: the greatest accomplishments in poker racetory winning this thing of

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Speaker 1: fourth time. He then enters the ten thousand person main

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Speaker 1: event and wins that too, which it is not. It

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Speaker 1: is not at all prisoner of the moment or hyperbolic

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Speaker 1: to say. If you think the greatest accomplishment in the

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Speaker 1: history of poker is what Mike did over the last month.

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Speaker 1: You have a very strong argument for it, winning the

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Speaker 1: hardest tournament and then the most prestigious within a month.

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Speaker 1: So you had the opportunity as I did, but as

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Speaker 1: I guess the world did, of seeing his cards basically

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Speaker 1: at the very end. I know, you know, he won

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Speaker 1: And if people haven't seen it if you're not a

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Speaker 1: It felt very far and Scottie win it felt this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was incredible. I mean it was incredible to watch,

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sentimental about these guys, Like before

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Speaker 2: You are good though, by the way, I'm sure a

431
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know you like really play, but

432
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: nick play is for real, So.

433
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. The Yeah, I mean, I I think

434
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: I am a very good amateur, you know what I mean.

435
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: But that's it's just a totally different world than being

436
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: anything close to a pro. And so so what I'm

437
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: saying here is not you know, my knowledge, so to speak,

438
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: But there were a few things he did that were

439
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: objectively wrong in theory, and you were in the booth

440
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: I know for at least one of them, where I

441
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: don't know. I just think he bet like forty million

442
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: with queens when like the bet to him was eleven million,

443
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: or it was something. I might butcher it a bit

444
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: if that was what it was. But you and I

445
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the reasons some of

446
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: the again my words, not nicks, more smug and also

447
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: less accomplished prose or like this guy's no good, just lucky.

448
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 1: We talked more about this later, and it's do you

449
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: think there was maybe more of a method to the

450
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: madness for some of this stuff than was originally recognized.

451
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: You know, I'm really romantic with this stuff, so I

452
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: will my instincts. That night, I got in some really

453
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 2: ugly fights with some of my young young homies who

454
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: are very theory based, who have not had the accomplishments

455
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 2: of this guy, who were off to the racist with

456
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: the like it's all luck. You know, they weren't getting

457
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: behind it, and for me, it really made me sick,

458
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 2: you know, Like, so we got in some I mean

459
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: when I say ugly, like it's it's all good. Yes,

460
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: I do think there was some methods to the madness.

461
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: I also think it's okay to objectively disagree or say

462
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: some of these plays he maybe weren't totally for choice,

463
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 2: and it can still be just a part of the

464
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: story and a part of the win. When he went

465
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: all in with Queens, we spoke about this. At first.

466
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: I didn't like it, and it's such a good hand,

467
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: you know, in poker, sometimes you have a hand that's

468
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: so good generally queens, kings or aces that the strategy

469
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: most professionals would try to add is to raise an

470
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: amount where maybe you get some action. This is a

471
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: top few percent hand, and we want action from worse hands, grinders,

472
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: just slamming all in, drink, pumping up the crowd, and

473
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: it's like, yo, bro, mikey babe, take it easy, like

474
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: you got ladies here. But then I started to think

475
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: he does have complete control over this situation outside of

476
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: a few players who were providing resistance. And we're playing great.

477
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 2: Leomargett's played great, Kenny is a great player, And big

478
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: respect to all of them who made it down there,

479
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: because you can't know how deep someone is kind of

480
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: in the zone in that moment, or they're fine, what

481
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: they're really seeing through their eyes, you know, so it's

482
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: easy to say they're bad. And these guys are good,

483
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: but it's more complicated. But I started thinking, maybe he

484
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: feels he has so much control over the table and

485
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: he's seeing things so well, Because if you really watched

486
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: him maneuver, I've never seen a pro kind of wear

487
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: their heart on their sleeve the way he was. Where

488
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: he's like he's like bending over, he's shuffling the chips.

489
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: He's looking at him, it's almost like he's about to fold.

490
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: Then he looks at him again, something else hits him.

491
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: He's all in. Every move he made work so well,

492
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: and I think just he was reading them so well

493
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 2: and felt he had such control. Maybe he was trying

494
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: to kind of avoid variance in some of these spots

495
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: where he made these huge all ins. But without being

496
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: too long winded about it, I do disagree with some

497
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: of the plays he made. You're not going to play

498
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: on TV for twenty hours and get them all right anyway.

499
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: But the overall performance and the art that he created

500
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: and just the way he went about his business, it

501
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: all just came together.

502
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: No, And this is where I am, and this is

503
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,239
Speaker 1: kind of a more big picture sports discussion, But I

504
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: know you're you're very I think adamant that poker should

505
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: be considered a sport, that it is a sport, and

506
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: that so I think that it fits in this. Once

507
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: upon there have been a few types of sports discussions that,

508
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: in my opinion, used to be done at objectively terribly

509
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: and wrong. And now we have over corrected. And so there,

510
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, there once upon a time, like in baseball,

511
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: if you had a one point four e er but

512
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: you're a seven and nine record, it's like, well not

513
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: winning the games, like.

514
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: He just to lose it. He just doesn't have it.

515
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: He does doesn't have it. Like that, that was objectively wrong.

516
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: We've gotten smarter about that, and a big part of

517
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: that has been the general philosophy of process over results.

518
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, was the process correct

519
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: that matters more than the results. And in general, I

520
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: think that is the right way to look at things.

521
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: Where I think sports as a whole, and this is

522
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: an example where we have overcorrected. Is there seemed to

523
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: be a subset of folks who think not process over results,

524
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: process only and fuck the results, like I like, I

525
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: don't care what the results are. And another thing that

526
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: comes to mind, and I thought you did a great

527
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: job with it, was when Phil helm youth was doing

528
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: the heads up duels, of which I was one of

529
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: the victims, and he just he comes back from ninety

530
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: seven million to three million against Daniel, then beats him again,

531
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: then beats him again, then he clocks Antonio in two

532
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: out of three matches, gets a little lucky in a

533
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: third when he just kept winning, kept winning, and obviously

534
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: has these insane results at the World Series, and some

535
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: dealers are like a kind of think he sucks and

536
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: so like there to me, there there has to be

537
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: some humility in Maybe I don't understand why what someone

538
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: is doing works, but if the results become so overwhelming,

539
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: I have to recognize it's not dumb luck. There is

540
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: a process to it, just a process that I'm not

541
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: fully seeing. Do you think that's fair?

542
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's totally fair. Uh. I think a

543
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: lot of poker players kind of need to feel that

544
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: process over results, only because you can sort of lose

545
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: your mind in this game if you don't adopt some

546
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: of that, because bad runs and such can can happen

547
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: and feel overwhelming. But you know, I mean, Helm, you've

548
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: bring some of this on himself. Where a grinder kind

549
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: of doesn't love Phil you know, big respect the all

550
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: time legend, of course, but he parades around and says

551
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: he's the best player in the world, or maybe he's

552
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: come off of that a little recently, and he gives

553
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: us a kind of pseudo villain, which is a beautiful thing.

554
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: Most people can't play that role. You know. I would

555
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: love to for fun, to just talk my shit and

556
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: like get everybody to hate me, like because you know,

557
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm a big fight fan, so you know, if it

558
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: doesn't matter a heel, I'm not that guy. I'm not

559
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 2: the heel, like I want to just be normal or whatever.

560
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: But we'll do it, and it's a part of his thing,

561
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: and I've seen him rattle a lot of great young

562
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: players where he's calm out there and they are not.

563
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: You know, we had a few heels at this year's

564
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: World Series.

565
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: One of them involved one of the most iconic moments

566
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: of the series, which was you. I don't want to

567
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: say breaking character, but you Martin Cabrel, who is European

568
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: fellow that I happen to like a lot, but I've

569
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: never had to play with him, who is a very

570
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: good player but also intentionally as annoying as about any

571
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: player we've had in the last decade in poker. I

572
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: don't even remember what he said to you. I just

573
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: know you responded with andio, oh go ahead, you you

574
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: know what the story? No? Please please? Can you you

575
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about here? Can you kind of

576
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: set the table for what happened there?

577
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: Yes, So, first of all, me and Martin are cool.

578
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 2: Now we wapped up at the end of the World Series.

579
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: It was funny that night we went to dinner when

580
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: we went to the French place. Yeah, I popped out

581
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 2: on the strip and walked back to my car. This

582
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: is just kind of most of you guys won't kind

583
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: of know what I'm talking about. But it's funny because

584
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: Martin asked me something and I kind of said, I said,

585
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: what's that pussy? Kind of like aggret, you know, and

586
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: I was ready, like, let's you want to do something.

587
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: But that's like it's for a guy to get me

588
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: to say that in a two hundred and fifty k

589
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: by and no limit tournament, you know. And I'm I

590
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: was cool with it because I was I felt like,

591
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: you know, he kept fucking with me over and over

592
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: and over, but that's part of what he does. And

593
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: I can I can sit back and be okay with it.

594
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want the guy to be barred

595
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: or anything like that. It's just if you're going to

596
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: keep asking me to show you my stack, keep like.

597
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: He just kept poking and prodding, and I was like,

598
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: I was trying to fight in that moment. It's crazy,

599
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: but that's what happened. But when I was walking to

600
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: my car, somehow here he is coming out of the

601
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: horseshoe with his little European friend who looked kind of

602
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 2: like gangster like. They're all sort of like a little

603
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: bit gangster like. There's an element to Cabrel where like

604
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: and as you said too, he's a great player. Where

605
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: will Casouf, who you know, also it for some of

606
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: you that may have watched the main Casoof is another

607
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: one who's relentless with the table talk and stuff. Much

608
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: love to kassoof he's got skills. Maybe much love is

609
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: a is you.

610
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, and he's but he's not. Cabrell is a

611
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: great player.

612
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: I know he's playing really really well. So it makes

613
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: him more annoying to deal with, you know. But I

614
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: saw him. We tapped up in it and he said, Meek,

615
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: finally you'll give me number now, Yes, I said, yes,

616
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 2: of course, he took my number. He texted me later, hi,

617
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: which is very kind of on brand. I said, yo.

618
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: He responded with thumbs up, and that was that.

619
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: But okay, so that's what I was gonna ask you,

620
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: because the other, the other not as viral moment, was

621
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: him coming up to you and saying I need your

622
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: number or can I have your number, and you just

623
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: flatly saying no.

624
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not gonna say I fully trust this guy,

625
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 2: but I kind of like him, and I think I'm

626
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: starting to come around to like kind of being all

627
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: right with him. You know. It's I don't know, man.

628
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: I meaned, yes, poker be intolerable if everyone was like that,

629
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: like him, but I think it's not great if no

630
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: one is like them, and.

631
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: Just kind of not to cut you off, but like

632
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: it's just sort of life. Like we don't we're not

633
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: going to start doing a personality contest where if we

634
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: really don't like somebody, they're out. They have to either

635
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: cheat or do something scummy and then they're gone. It's

636
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: all good. Like I'm with that, you know. I I

637
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: have a zero tolerance policy of anything that really threatens

638
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: the integrity of the game. But if a guy is

639
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: just super annoying, it's a slippery slope, especially when they're

640
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: a good player, it's just a slippery slope. I don't

641
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: even think it's a slippery slope.

642
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: I think it'd be I think that I I personally

643
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: and I use this example a lot, and I I

644
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: don't know Alex fox In very well at all, so

645
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Speaker 1: I hope if he's heard me use it, he does

646
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: and look at this as a knock at all. It's

647
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: actually a bit of a compliment because his I it

648
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: means I find his stare the most intimidating of all

649
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: the stairs. But if you're if it's totally fine for

650
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: Alex Foxen to just turn to you and you know,

651
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: stare at you dead in the face for every second

652
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: of the shot clock, then it's got to be totally

653
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: fine for Cabrel to just be a maniac and talk

654
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: and whatever. Because to me, it is it is just

655
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: fruit from the different or I'm saying it wrong, but

656
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: it's it's the same idea, which is I'm going to

657
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: do something that's going to rattle you, that's going to

658
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: get you off your game. One is just way more

659
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: accepted than the other. But for an amateur, we are

660
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: really used to a maybe drunk, super annoying, you know,

661
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: guy at the table, while not used to a former

662
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: college football tight end who might be the best player

663
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: in the world just staring through you and so like this,

664
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: So they're the kasoof thing, which is if people saw

665
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: the clips he was his behavior was so bad, people

666
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: then pivoted to you actually can't be mad at him

667
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: because something must be wrong with him, which I think

668
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: probably is correct. Like I think he had some sort

669
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: of a breakdown and that was were you were you

670
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: okay with how much attention he got? Yet, Yes, I

671
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: thought it was a good show. I thought it was

672
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: like captivating to watch.

673
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: I thought it. I thought it was too And I'll

674
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: say just quickly about Fox and and them, uh you know,

675
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: I know it's it's a tricky thing with poker players.

676
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: We don't really have sponsors, we don't really get salaries

677
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: per se. And one of the cool things about poker

678
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: is it really is real life out there. So a

679
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: guy like Fox and what you're seeing is a stone

680
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: killer of a guy who and I know you're not

681
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: knocking him, you're showing up, but that's a stone killer

682
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: of a guy who's an amazing poker player who within

683
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: the confines of the rules, is going to do everything

684
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: he can to win, and he's comfortable flowing like that.

685
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: The weird thing about him is he's like a really

686
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: sweet guy and actually not brutal to play with until

687
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: he raises the button and you're in the big blind

688
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: and you're in the nine seat and he's in the

689
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 2: six seat. If you're not ready for that, that's a lot,

690
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's a lot. It's a lot. Same with Chidwick.

691
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: We've talked about some of these other guys, but end

692
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: of the day, those are still sort of my favorite

693
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: players to watch because I know what this life is like.

694
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 2: They don't pay us to go to tournaments. We peace out,

695
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: We take a piece we're comfortable with and off we go,

696
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: you know, and it's kind of just like there can

697
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: be only one winner. It's a zero some games. So

698
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: that that's just a little bit of a pushback against

699
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: the sort of like what's good for poker narratives, but

700
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: from an observational standpoint, or when the tournament is just

701
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 2: unfolding organically, yeah, if a kasoof is in there deep

702
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: rattling the cages of pros, or if Cabrel is in

703
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: there doing his thing, you know, asking me to make

704
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: my stack visible a hundred times in or when I

705
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: have eight pig blinds and he could see it clearly,

706
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: it's just nick, Nick, I can if you make stack visible,

707
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: I won't ask again. But if I break down and

708
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: I say, Martin, it's right here. So I just started

709
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: responding in Russian. I will, like, won't let him break me.

710
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: But obviously he did break me a little bit, and

711
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: then I got knocked out and he made the final table.

712
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: Just be clear, but I just won't because I get emotional,

713
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: I get flush in the face. I can get embarrassed,

714
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: I know myself. But I've also had a lot of

715
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: altercations over the years where I finally learned how to

716
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: not sort of show it or just keep it together

717
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: to breathe. But yeah, like I was okay with the

718
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: Kasoof coverage, but I also thought maybe to get a

719
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: little bit excessive it sometimes. And also you could argue

720
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 2: it's not fair for the people at his table to

721
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: just be on the feature all day. I do like

722
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 2: the theory that the concept in theory of randomizing the

723
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: future tables because it is a little bit of a disadvantage.

724
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: It's hot, the lights whatever, but and people get to

725
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: see how you if you're you know what I mean.

726
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, so that I totally.

727
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: Get that story long I was okay with it.

728
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, before we move on to uh to boxing, just

729
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: quick hit or ones real quick general thoughts on and

730
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: if you want to, feel free to say pass on

731
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: any of this. By the way, I leave one chip

732
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: behind in the night tank for a paye jump.

733
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: You know. I love the player that committed that infraction

734
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 2: a lot, and he has a serious, like moral kind

735
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: of backbone and stuff, and also said to players at

736
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: the table, put me on the clock whenever you're ready.

737
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: I think it speaks more to the flaw in the

738
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: current structure of tournaments than a player doing that. However,

739
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I think it's pretty absurd that

740
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: it's even a part of tournaments. And we need shot clocks,

741
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: you know, it's just time for pre flop shot clocks

742
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: and in pretty much anything. And you know, they take

743
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: enough break and make enough money to have an x

744
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 2: executable and well working clock for any field size.

745
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: I think it's time, all right, then last, I'm gonna

746
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: make you before we do boxing, talk about yourself just

747
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 1: for a second. Uh, can you just take me through

748
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: finding out you were the one that made the whole

749
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: this year and what that meant to you.

750
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. I got a text from from Jack Effel, who

751
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: kind of runs the World Series or I'm not sure

752
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: what his exact role is, but you know he's a

753
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: big way type guy something.

754
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

755
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, keep keep the date ready, please only

756
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: tell your immediate friends and family, and I got really emotional.

757
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 2: It meant a lot to me. There's definitely a part

758
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: of me that knows the reason I got in sort

759
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: of first ballot or my first year of eligibility is

760
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: my kind of presence in poker as commentating the main

761
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: and high stakes poker and connecting with some of the

762
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: fans and and just being kind of or putting a

763
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: lot of them just straight to sleep. Or this guy

764
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: makes me want to kill myself, or the monotone. But

765
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: most of them were we're good, and you know, so

766
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: I felt a little bit. There's other players that are

767
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: extremely deserving. You know, I think Ted Forrest should have

768
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: gotten in a while ago. Seevert is an all time

769
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: great he'll get in, but uh, it was really emotional

770
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: for me, and I just I reflected on my whole life. Man.

771
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 2: It's you know, this poker life is no joke. You know,

772
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to do anything else, and I'm very

773
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: grateful for it, but it takes a piece of you

774
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: you don't get back. And I've definitely gotten more centered

775
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: as a person. But that that thing made me think

776
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: about some of my darkest times in the game, or

777
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: when the game got the best of me, or some

778
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: of the late nights, and honestly, some of the huge

779
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: losses that I've taken and times I've just busted myself

780
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 2: or crazy stuff along the way. But I felt end

781
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: of the day, I deserved it in the sense that

782
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: I know what I've put into the game, so I

783
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: it mental heart to me and to see my parents

784
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and talk to people I haven't

785
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: spoken to in a while who were there for me early,

786
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: it was it was really emotional for me.

787
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: Well, that's awesome. I appreciate you sharing it. It's been

788
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: really a thrill for me that you and I have

789
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 1: become friends because I'm such like a poker junkie, like

790
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: i'd listened to you do commentary for years before we

791
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: ever met, and I'd obviously always heard you know great

792
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: things about you as a guy. But then once we

793
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: actually got to know each other, it was not only

794
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: did I want us to be able to work together,

795
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: but I also wanted there to be more Nick Schulman

796
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: broadcasting in the world, and not just about poker. And

797
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: so this is me kind of going a bit off script.

798
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: This is a message that applies to ninety nine percent

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814
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: refuses to share his boxing bets with me, I figure

815
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: the best and by that's that's not a selfish things. No, No,

816
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: I just know the I think the last time, I

817
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: think it was a random you have c card. I

818
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: texted a group chat we're on about about something like

819
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: who I was at a casino and I didn't I

820
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: hadn't followed it at all. I'm like, who's you know,

821
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: who's the pick? And I think the response was I'm

822
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: not sharing my picks right now. I appreciate your respect,

823
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: my family's privacy in this time because I think you

824
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: had just lost and lost one. But that's not the point.

825
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: It was mostly joking. The point is the the level

826
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: of knowledge and uh passion for boxing in particular is,

827
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: in my opinion, neck and neck with where you're at

828
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: in poker. People just don't know it because you weren't

829
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: a boxer. You're a poker player. So there's a couple

830
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: really interesting fights this week, and there's a paqial fight

831
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: and there's the Usick fight in London. I think the

832
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: Packia fight you're gonna be, you know, right at in Vegas,

833
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: I assume, So let's start there and then go to

834
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: some other ones. I have not followed this as closely

835
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: as you. I'm sure I know there was some line

836
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 1: movement in the Pacquial fight, so give us.

837
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, my glasses on for the boxing and

838
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: let's just be let's just be clear about something like

839
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm getting Merry Christmas cards from bookies, like I believe

840
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: the generational run is coming in the boxing in MMA.

841
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm a huge whil also die hard. I watch every interview,

842
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: I watch every fight like I want to chop it

843
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: up about boxing and really talk about these fights. But

844
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: this is not I'm not saying I'm sharp. I'm not

845
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: saying follow me. TVK was selling me before I came

846
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: on that I never saw a dog I didn't like.

847
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: That's a little bit true that sometimes they dangle a

848
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 2: dog in front of me and I just can't take it.

849
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: We've had our ups and downs, perhaps more downs, although

850
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: I've caught heat lately in the fight game, and it's

851
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: gonna happen. So you could either hop on the train now,

852
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: or keep doubting me. You want to go the other way.

853
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: We could talk, we could chop lines. I'm not short

854
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: on confidence, but I'm short on results.

855
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so I will all look at the

856
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: lines of all these fights courtesy of our friends DraftKings,

857
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: and we'll get to that in a minute. I also

858
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: want to clarify, for the non you know, diehard gambling

859
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: or Vegas audience, whale means big losing better. So when

860
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: Nick just said I'm a UFC whale, he wasn't saying

861
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: like I crush UFC better, right.

862
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 2: He means you don't, at least in my definition, that's right. Yeah,

863
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 2: it means what you said.

864
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you oddly don't want to be a whale.

865
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: It sounds like something you'd want to be, you don't want.

866
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 1: I guess it's nice to be able to have the

867
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: ability to be a whale because it means you have

868
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: the money, but you don't really want to be a whale.

869
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: Because okay, So with all that said, Nick's real concern is,

870
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna tell the audience he is not

871
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: a tout and does not want to be anyone to

872
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: think he's being a tout. What he is is giving

873
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: you know his boxing analysis that like you said, the

874
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,879
Speaker 1: heater of a lifetime is coming and they're gonna build

875
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: us at you outside the arena. It's gonna happen. We

876
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: know it. Let's start with Pacquiao Burrios.

877
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 4: Okay, so so pak yaw I if I if I,

878
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 4: if I may I got plus four ten? Ish A

879
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 4: while I was walking through the Aria, I was in

880
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 4: the sports book. You don't like Manny pak yao plus

881
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 4: four ten against Mario Barrios?

882
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: Is he forty six? Yes? Is he coming back just

883
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: for the money? We don't know. You know, I believe

884
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 2: in him. I've now watched every interview and stuff, and

885
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: I'm starting to believe vintage pac Man might show up.

886
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: And by the way, the line has moved to roughly

887
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: to forty. We have to be happy crushing the closing line.

888
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: One specialty of mine is in the MMA, has beat

889
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: the line and just still lose that one. I'm an

890
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: amazing at and also I could get bad lines and

891
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: also still lose. It's a very interesting fight. You know,

892
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: when you think in boxing of older fighters, you think

893
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 2: of George Foreman and Bernard Hopkins, who both did magical

894
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: things in their mid to late forties. We've never really

895
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 2: seen a little guy who relied on blistering speed and

896
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 2: combinations and footwork come back in their mid forties and

897
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 2: make it happen. But you know, Paco's Filipino. And one

898
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: thing I know about these Filipino guys from the pool

899
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: room man not to generalize a whole nation, but they

900
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: just have a lot of hustle. This guy's razor sharp.

901
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: He plays a little poker himself. By the way, he's

902
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: a good chess player. He's actually a great pool player.

903
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 2: I mean, every Filipino guy kind of is. But I

904
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: believe he might have game planned. He might have known

905
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: something about Barrios's sty is a little flat footed. Maybe he

906
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: can get in and out and have a vintage night

907
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: and it would be a pretty special night a la

908
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: the grinder, you know, like yeah, so yeah, so you so.

909
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 1: You're you're rooting for Pacquiao because you bet him. Also,

910
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: how much of that line movement was your bet by itself?

911
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: Possibly some of it.

912
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: Not too much, don't get me wrong. We have a position,

913
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: but nothing crazy like.

914
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: But you think he has a more than a more

915
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: than a puncher chance. You think he has a real chance,

916
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: and for people.

917
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 2: A chancy stone out classism boxes his ears off and

918
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: makes it look easy. I also think it could be

919
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 2: a tragic night where it looks like he came back

920
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: for the money and he's just stuck in the mud

921
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 2: and gets hurt bad. You know that that's possible.

922
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: And is there anything for the audience that don't seen Burrios?

923
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: Like what type of fighter he is? Like what you

924
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: expect from him?

925
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: He has a stiff jab, he's he's not the quickest guy,

926
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: but he has heavy hands and he's been in there

927
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: with a lot of good guys. He's won most of

928
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: his fights. He's a real champion through and through. And

929
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: you know he's a kind of He's a Mexican from

930
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: San Antonio and a lot of people talk about these

931
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: Mexicans like like they're just willing to die in there

932
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: and this and that, but he really seems like he

933
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: is kind of you know, tons of heart, big nuts,

934
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: like great fighter, but vintage pac Man would wash him.

935
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 2: Everybody knows it, no disrespect. You know, could be wrong,

936
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: but we're talking about an eight division world champion, all

937
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: time great who you know, vintage pack was one of

938
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 2: the greatest fighters of all time. So if that guy

939
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: shows up, it could be a quick night. People are

940
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: saying like people are acting like they're rolling your grandfather

941
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: out to get out with the cane. This is manny

942
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: pac yeow man. He's been in the gym. This is

943
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: what I start doing. And we know where they.

944
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: Like all the dogs. All right, let's talk a little

945
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: of the under undercards and we'll get to u sik Uh.

946
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 1: I'll hand up on me on this one. I I

947
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: know nothing about this fight. Fondora sees Zu. I don't

948
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: even know how to say the name Tim.

949
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: Zoo, son of zoo Uh. The first fight was interesting.

950
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: Fondora won a decision, but but Zoo got a gash

951
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: on his forehead that like he looked like one of

952
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: the zombies from The Walking Dead. After round two. It's

953
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: actually crazy Fondora didn't get him out of there. Tim

954
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 2: is a small favorite this one. He he suffered a

955
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: brutal stoppage loss to this Eastern European whose name is brutal.

956
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: But it was a bad stoppage.

957
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: He suffered a bad stoppage and Fandora also basically got

958
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: starched out cold by Brian Mendoz in the center of

959
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 2: the ring with just a beautiful left hook. They've both

960
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: bounced back. I like Zoo. I think Zoo is gonna

961
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 2: just find a way to me. Fondora as great as

962
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: he is. They call him the Towering Inferno. They don't

963
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 2: weigh that much, but he's like six', six like it's

964
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: kind of freaky to. Me he just sort of doesn't

965
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 2: have a second, gear but he's great WHERE i Feel

966
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: tim has just that second. GEAR i think he's gonna

967
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: bite down on the mouthpiece and get it. Done AND

968
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: i really hope he. Does nick if if you catch my?

969
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: Drift all, Right so all, RIGHT i like. That all,

970
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: Right so there's there's A so what's the pitbull? Fierro

971
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: we want to?

972
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 2: Talk, oh we don't, know said medical. Emergency So pipple

973
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: is going to be a massive, favorite and you know

974
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: he's a cool. Fighter so oh so that, one that

975
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: one's just. Gone oh did that just happen yeah a

976
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: little while?

977
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: Ago oh, okay oh, Yeah Omar, Salcito, yeah.

978
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 2: He was on the, undercard and you, Know pipple's probably

979
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 2: a twenty to one favorite or. Something gun Tohead i'd lay,

980
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: it BUT i don't, REALLY i don't like those that.

981
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: Much, Well i'm hold, On i'm telling you right now, Again,

982
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: yeah go?

983
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 2: On what is?

984
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 1: YEAH i mean AT dk right, now you can Get.

985
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: Cruise wait is that who he's? Fighting hold, on DO

986
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: i have it? Wrong You Omar salcedo Against Isaac. Cruz

987
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: this is where we're Talking. Cruise oh, okay, sorry He's

988
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: Shock cruz minus eleven, hundred so eleven to.

989
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 2: ONE i, mean you know that doesn't add.

990
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: That to your other.

991
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: Ones one THING i believe in the fight game in

992
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 2: general is that all these young guys are all. Evolving

993
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: they can evolve quicker between, fights in my, opinion than

994
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: the old, days because there's just such an influx of

995
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: content and and things to, watch you, know so on

996
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: and so. Forth you see him poker. Too sometimes kid

997
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: will just reinvent himself out of. Nowhere we're back in the,

998
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: day you. Know you know What i'm, Saying like the

999
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: world sort of moves. Faster so these huge. Favorites i'm

1000
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: a little bit, skittish But piples can. Win he's probably

1001
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: gonna stop. HIM i, mean But i'm not betting that.

1002
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: Fight, okay all, right let's go To. London You sick against.

1003
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: Again is it du Boy Dubois Dubois you sick is

1004
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: at least ON dk three to one Favorite dubois right

1005
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: around plus two point. Fifty what's your thoughts on? That

1006
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: so it feels like they kind of got that line

1007
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: right like they often. Do dubois has really reinvented himself

1008
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: masterful stoppage Of Anthony joshua heavy.

1009
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 2: Hands this is a rematch where there was a little

1010
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: bit of. Controversy ousik got hit kind of on the belt.

1011
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: Line from one, angle it looked. Low from the other

1012
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 2: it looked, legal and he went down and he was

1013
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 2: kind of acting like he was really hurt and got

1014
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: a long count after it was ruled a low. Blow,

1015
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 2: PERSONALLY i feel he was okay and was just kind

1016
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 2: of doing weird. Gamesmanship AND i don't really. Know i've

1017
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: watched it multiple. Times my general rule is keep betting

1018
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 2: on generational talent that's, undefeated so gun to. HEAD i

1019
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: would Bet usik AND i probably will be taking some

1020
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: lazy price last minute and pacing around the living. Room

1021
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: BUT i don't that's.

1022
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: It that that that's or if that fights In london

1023
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: and you're In, vegas that's an early, afternoon sweat before

1024
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: after it's a great.

1025
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 2: Day we got usic afternoon and then we're then we're

1026
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 2: pulling up to The Grand Garden arena baby for to

1027
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: watch pack to seventy two year old pack, out get out.

1028
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 2: There what a.

1029
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: Saturday it makes me Wish i'd stayed In vegas for another.

1030
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 2: COMPANY i Think holloway is on TOMORROW, mma so we

1031
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: might have the phone going and it's all.

1032
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: Happening do you have anything you want to say ABOUT

1033
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: i know we've been talking about.

1034
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 2: The i've eighty six myself from even allowing my mind

1035
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: to generate opinions ON. Mma But i'll watch AND i

1036
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 2: might get wrapped, in BUT i just.

1037
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: All, right one more boxing question for we. Go but

1038
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: to be, CLEAR i.

1039
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: Like poorier, though, okay never.

1040
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: Mind so you like So? Pacio who did you say

1041
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: in the in The Tim zoo.

1042
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: Fight he's Fighting. FONDORRA i, like, No, Zoo.

1043
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: That's WHAT i thought. That so you So pacio And

1044
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: zoo you?

1045
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,479
Speaker 2: Like and AGAIN i Like pacy at that, PRICE i got, Yeah,

1046
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: NO i still could see youth prevailing in the whole.

1047
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: Thing but that plus four hundred was we knew that

1048
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna, last, right so you got it at a sharp.

1049
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: Price because right, now for our our audience has to

1050
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: be even more confident than you, were because right now

1051
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 1: it's you got it basically. Double it's right, now right

1052
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: around plus two ten burrios minus two seventy. Five, Listen

1053
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: i'm not a professional. Gambler you're a professional poke player and.

1054
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: Gambler some would say you have the perfect hedge opportunity

1055
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: at minus two seventy. FIVE i, say IF i wanted

1056
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: to hedge, BETS i would be a stockbroker instead of

1057
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: WHAT i. Am i'm out here to, gamble BUT i

1058
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: you know this IS i have a regular income. Stream

1059
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: BUT i got you to.

1060
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: Too, Yeah i'm more of the bet more. TYPE i

1061
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: don't like the, hedging you. KNOW i have a friend

1062
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: who's a master of the hedging and the, arbitraging AND

1063
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: i get, it but it's such a grind And i'm

1064
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: just not organized enough to even. Execute i'm a one and.

1065
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 2: DONE i see a LINE i like AND i fire all.

1066
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: Right couple minutes before we go on two months from

1067
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: now In vegas At Raiders. STADIUM i mean it's gonna

1068
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: like a massive place for a boxing, Event Canelo.

1069
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: Crawford, YEAH i, MEAN i keep going back and forth

1070
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 2: on this. One on the one, hand you cannot See

1071
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 2: bud in the ring with somewhat prime TRIPLE G Dimitri,

1072
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 2: beval despite the fact That canela, lost Even, coviallev even

1073
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,479
Speaker 2: alcoholic old Covial ev was still you, know sick one.

1074
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: Big you can't See budd in there with those. Guys

1075
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: bud got rocked By Uriorkis, gamboa who's you, know my

1076
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: wife is bigger than. HIM i mean really, like but

1077
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 2: you do see guys move up and wait and fill.

1078
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 2: Out canelo has looked not as good. Lately his last.

1079
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 2: PERFORMANCE i actually rewatched, it even though it's the most

1080
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: boring fight of all time Against william's. SKULL i feel

1081
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: he sort of just didn't, try like he knew he'd

1082
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 2: get the, decision and just this guy was running around the,

1083
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: ring And canello is just kind of lead hand, down

1084
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 2: just sort of people are saying he can't cut the

1085
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: ring off. Anymore i'm not sure about all. That he

1086
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: was just cashing checks and doing just. Enough maybe If

1087
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: bud stands in the pocket with him in, TRADES i

1088
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 2: could See bud getting hurt you, know he didn't look

1089
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: amazing at one point fifty four Against, madrimov but he

1090
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 2: did get the job. Done and that guy's. QUALITY i

1091
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: don't know IF i should say. IT i feel LIKE

1092
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: i shouldn't say, this But i'm just gonna say. It

1093
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 2: Phil ivey Likes. Bud and it isn't like he's just

1094
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: riding With bud because you, know they're cut from the same,

1095
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: cloth or you know What i'm. Saying he. Doesn't he'll

1096
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: bet whoever he. Likes he's not just rocking With bud

1097
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: out of. Love he is a ruthless sports better and

1098
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: his position is that we have the goat on our.

1099
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: Hands he Believes bud is perhaps just the goat and

1100
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: that kind of hit. Me could we always talk about

1101
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 2: the fights for, real and he's razor like you, know

1102
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: but also he could sail to and you, know doesn't

1103
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 2: get them all, right don't get me, Wrong but he, said,

1104
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: yeah he's like you, know and he knows a lot

1105
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 2: of people in. BOXING a lot of his family are

1106
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 2: inboxing gyms or you, know for, real like like he's

1107
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 2: just juiced in with a lot of guys his teams and.

1108
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 2: Stuff phil co walk into any boxing gym In america

1109
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: and get immediate love from. People he just, knows you.

1110
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: Know he, said his people believe That Terrence crawford is you,

1111
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 2: know we're not going to put him Above ali or,

1112
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: whatever but going to go down as one of the

1113
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 2: five greatest fighters of all. Time and he's that. Good

1114
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 2: SO i Was canelo all day due to, side due

1115
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: to you just cannot break the rules like this and

1116
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: move up two weight classes from a weight class that's

1117
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 2: already too big for you kind. OF i, mean he's

1118
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 2: sort of matureman a fifty. Four but After ivy said

1119
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: that to, me Apologies, phil if you, KNOW i hope

1120
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: he doesn't see, this OR i would never give his plays.

1121
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: Away but this One i'm just too excited. About after

1122
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: he said that to, Me NOW i might just rock

1123
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: With bud BECAUSE i love him, anyway you. Know but

1124
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: Against Errol spence was the biggest sports BET i ever.

1125
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 2: HAD i Had Terrence. CRAWFORD i just believed he's just too,

1126
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: good you, know the biggest sports bet you ever? Had, Yes, Wow,

1127
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 2: yes yes it. Was it wasn't actually THAT I i

1128
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:09,959
Speaker 2: fire bigger in the. Poker you, know WHEN i say,

1129
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,959
Speaker 2: that you'll be. Surprised don't get. Out it was a real.

1130
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: Number it wasn't, like here's the. Deal you're your mind

1131
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 2: is warped by.

1132
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: What a big bed is and what isn't by the

1133
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: fact that you're hanging out With ivy and with guys

1134
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: who are, you who are just, firing and also guys

1135
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: not Just, ivy but guys who might put one.

1136
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: Time ivy gave me ten percent of them in a crops.

1137
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 2: Roll he, said just take ten percent for. Luck NICK i,

1138
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: said all, right. Cool he came up to me, later

1139
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 2: told HIM i owed him eighty five. Thousand been a

1140
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: long time, ago, man you know WHAT i. MEAN i.

1141
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 2: DID i did not see that one. COMING i told Him,

1142
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 2: Phil i'm gonna need a minute on a on that.

1143
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: One that's true.

1144
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: Story, no that's.

1145
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 2: Real, yeah you didn't he should.

1146
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 1: Get percent of him and you didn't stay and sweat. It.

1147
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: No we were in a tournament and it was all

1148
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: love and he would never ever give give a wrong.

1149
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: Number you know.

1150
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: It Oh, NO i didn't mean sweat it like, no,

1151
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: NO i, know But i'm saying.

1152
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: No. No it was just one of those. Things we

1153
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 2: were hanging out and he put me on for ten

1154
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: and you know at eighty five times. Ten IT'S i,

1155
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: mean it was a big. LOSS i didn't see all.

1156
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: THAT i actually had heard. YOU i think you told

1157
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: that story once, before SO i didn't remember the. NUMBER

1158
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: i knew that. Happened but just BECAUSE i the in

1159
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: case he is a little mad at you giving out his,

1160
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: pick you have to tell one other story that makes

1161
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: him sound so incredibly, cool which is when you got

1162
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: the massage and didn't HAVE i.

1163
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 2: Was GETTING i was getting a massage in a poker.

1164
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: Tournament you, KNOW i had no cash on. Me he

1165
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 2: was at the table AND i, Said, phil CAN i

1166
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: CAN i borrow a little bit to pay for the?

1167
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 2: Massage he, SAID i got.

1168
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: It.

1169
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 2: Nick he reached in his pocket gave her a FIVE

1170
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 2: K belaggio. Chip he, said here you, go, honey we're

1171
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 2: at Five nick No russ five so good, legend all time.

1172
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: Legend he tips them as suits five. Thousand you then

1173
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: have to. Pay, yeah oh, man all, right couldn't have ended.

1174
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: Better you. Need here's the. Thing it's He's Nick. Shulman

1175
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: he's A Poker hall Of, famer just one of seventh.

1176
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: Brace so you can hear him on high stakes. Poker

1177
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: you can hear him The World series Of poker On

1178
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: Poker Go. Uh you hopefully can hear him do more

1179
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: boxing stuff on this podcast and in other places as.

1180
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: Well soon You the only THING i need from, You

1181
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: nick is for you to sleep on whether or not

1182
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,479
Speaker 1: one of the social media breakout clips can be Phil

1183
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: ivy Thinks Terence crawford can be the goat Because i'm

1184
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: telling you that will do well on the. Internets you

1185
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: don't have to decide, now because you.

1186
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 2: Gotta i'll, WELL i gotta ask. Him he's so. Sneaky

1187
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 2: he's probably trying to Bet. Crawford you, KNOW i really

1188
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 2: fucked up, here but it's all. Good it is what it.

1189
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 2: Is he KNOWS i make. Mistakes i'm, emotional but this

1190
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 2: guy is moving. Different he's not worried about no social

1191
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 2: media eclips What i'm, Saying SO i think probably we

1192
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: got to lay off. That but love, me, Man thank

1193
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: you so much for having me.

1194
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: On, dude this Was you're the. Best go enjoy time

1195
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: with your. Daughter i'm sure is now home from. School.

1196
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: Uh And i'll see you. Back i'm back In vegas

1197
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: in a couple of, weeks So i'll see.

1198
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 2: You i'll see you. Later