1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of My Heart Radio. Hey, Sarin, 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: you know it's ridiculous. Yeah, Elizabeth Dutton. I do the 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,079 Speaker 1: fact that Pete Davidson and Machine Gun Kelly seemed to 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: be in a competition to win the role of young Beetlejuice. 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: That is what that was serious, just saying knowledge is good. 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Oh well, hi, Sirie, Yeah, welcome to the show, Serie. Well, well, yeah, 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: that everything that just happened is ridiculous. Part of our 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: new brand partnership. Everything that is ridiculous. Um. The other 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: thing that's ridiculous is posing as a psychologist in order 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: to kite checks and scam coin dealers. I like that. 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: I knew you would. I'm Elizabeth Dutton and joining me 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: today is in Erica's Sweethearts. There and Burnett and this 13 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: is a Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, 14 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: heists and cons. It's always murder free and one ridiculous. 15 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: All right, Zara, Let's first establish that everything is a construct. 16 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? Privacy, currency, language, race, identity, reality, television. Gravity. Okay, 17 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: gravity not a construct, but we all buy into a 18 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: social agreement that, like our names are our names. Money 19 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: is worth a certain amount, you know, we share whatever. 20 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: The definition of a word is. I pointed something, I say, 21 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: that's the table. We agree that that's not a chair, 22 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: right you basically saying that our social agreement agreements. Yeah, exactly. 23 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: And so con artists are fascinating to me because they 24 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: operate outside of that construct, operate kind of like tending 25 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: to be O. Yeah, you got to operate. So they 26 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: do that outside of the construct. But they don't devolve 27 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: into hurting other people. They don't go, that's that far 28 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: outside of the social I got to. So they just 29 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: benefit from other people trick them, they con them, but 30 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: they don't hurt them physically or so there's like there's 31 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: there are rules that even they won't break. Yeah, for 32 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: the most part, most con artists, Yeah, well they and 33 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: they have really good insight into human behavior and definitely 34 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: operators the human behavior and the desires. And it's like 35 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: sometimes I think that they're even better at it than 36 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: psychologists or researchers because it's sort of an intuitive thing 37 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: with them. It's either intuitive or they have the they 38 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: benefit from their knowledge where you know, it's like it's 39 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: incentivized for them to get better at it. Yeah, and 40 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: they are savants of the human condition like that, like 41 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: that that TM trademark, TM, tell her more trademark. I know, 42 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: Saren that you're interested in going to drop some sons 43 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: of anarchame you like that and keep me. We'll expect 44 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: me to keep a straight face. Welcome to my world. 45 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: You are an agent of Mayhem. Yeah, anyway, I know 46 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: you're interested in conn artists. I love Connors was one 47 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: of my first interests, and my mother got really disappointed 48 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: when I was like a nine year old boy and 49 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, Mom, I'm supposed to write a paper for school. 50 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: I've decided what I want to write about is the mafia. 51 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: And she's like what, I'm like, well, the other thing 52 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to write about was conn artist. Which one 53 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: should I write about? She's like, oh god, this boy's 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of trouble. So like, you weren't 55 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: the kid who's like I want to be an astronaut. 56 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: Not once I wanted to completely everybody I thought was 57 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: awesome wore like clothes that they wore to trick other people. 58 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: I was like that, it's amazing, look at him. So 59 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: where some kids had like fire trucks, excavators. You're I 60 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: had like catillacts and oh no idea. I would like 61 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: ask my mom for money so I could go and 62 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 1: play three card Monty. I'm like, that's a three card 63 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: Monty game. We'll give me five bucks. I want to 64 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: see how this guy operates. She's like, you're just gonna 65 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: lose it. I'm like, yeah, but I want to see 66 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: how he does it. Wow. Yeah, I was like dedicated 67 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: to the like underworld crime scene and look at you now, 68 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: I know, look at me now chatting crime. Maximizing on 69 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: that knowledge so good. I want to tell you about 70 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: a con artist with a heart of goal, the best kind. Um, 71 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: he's sort of a con artist with a heart of gold. 72 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: But which part sort of a con artist or sort 73 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: of have a heart of god? He uh, he's a 74 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: connartist who can spin even getting caught into something good. 75 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: That's pretty much I think the ground level entry level 76 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: for the card artists, Like, look, I can spend this. 77 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, completely. Now I want you to imagine something. 78 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: Say I should picture it. I would say, yeah, let's 79 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: just say picture it. Picture it. Eyes are a small town. 80 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: It's called Colony, New York. It's this suburb of Albany, 81 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: and it's late October. So the A's have won the 82 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: World Series, overcoming the Loma priat A quake and destroying 83 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: the Giants. Is that all is now right in the 84 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: world and getting back from that terrible Kirk Gibson home run. Yeah, 85 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: we don't talk about that. I'm sorry. Yeah, we're talking 86 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: bash brother's baby. So it's late October. There's this detective 87 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: named Martin six, good name, and he pulls into the 88 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: parking lot in front of Joffrey Oriental Rugs Colony, New York, 89 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: Albany suburb. The store owner has contacted the local police 90 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: because a customer made off with two high end rugs 91 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: worth more than twenty two thou dollars. Right, The story 92 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: goes like this. There's this local psychologist. His name is 93 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: Dr Alfred P. Evans, Dr Fred Evans, L Fred, I 94 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: don't know whatever, gonna call me out, Dr Evans. He 95 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: was very formal talk to him. So he comes into 96 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: the shop a number of times over the last few months. 97 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: Um he's new to the area. He's sort of in 98 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: the process of setting up his home and his office. 99 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: First time he comes into this rug shop, he admires 100 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: really lovely rugs, makes an arrangement with the shop owner 101 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: to borrow some of them and see how they look 102 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: in his house and if his wife likes them, Oh 103 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: you got You gotta make sure that the people in 104 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: your home like what you bring into And so I 105 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: like that. He's just like, I really like those. I 106 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: want to put down some serious coin. Can I just 107 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: leave him in my house for a little I guess 108 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: that's what you do. I don't know. I don't I 109 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 1: don't buy expensive rugs. Well. Business means from what I 110 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of old radio shows, and 111 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: from what I can tell from the old radio shows, 112 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: business used to be a little different in terms of 113 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: like here, take it, try and see if you like it, 114 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: and then come back if you've don't like. There's a 115 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: lot more of that, like small business exactly at the 116 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: time when it wasn't like, um, I don't say anonymous, 117 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: but do you knew the person who gave you the 118 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: rug and you knew where they lived, So it was 119 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: a little bit more responsibility. You're not walking into Ikea 120 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: and like at this baby at test Drive. Well, and 121 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: I think too, it's like this guy though they don't 122 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: know him. He's new in town, but he's Dr Evans, 123 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: so they just extend a certain yeah because he's you know, um, 124 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: this guy, he comes across super friendly, pleasant and really personable. 125 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Shop owners like, yeah, test him out, let me know 126 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: what your wife thinks. So he brings him back and 127 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: he's like, you know, she's not quite happy with him. 128 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't really match what she's looking for. Let me 129 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: try a couple more and then but then he just 130 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: stops in, you know, on the regular, just to say hi. 131 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,559 Speaker 1: On the last visit that he made. He looks around 132 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: some more and he picks out one of the most 133 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: expensive rugs in the store, and good eye, good eye exactly. Uh. 134 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: And the guy, you know, the shop owner feels like 135 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: he knows him, so he says, yeah, here take this, 136 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: and then um, I'll throw in another five thousand dollar 137 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: rug with it. And this isn't util like test drive, 138 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: he says, I'm want to buy him. I mean dang right, 139 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: Like why is he throwing in a five grand rug 140 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: on top of this and he's not charging him for that. 141 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: That's just like I like you, I'm gonna throw and 142 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: throw that in because you bought the expensive rug. I 143 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: can't move to the rest of these people. You bought 144 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: an eighteen thousand dollar rug, I'm gonna in the So 145 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: Evans writes a check for the rugs goes on his way. 146 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: It's the last the store owner sees of him, exactly, 147 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: and of course the check bounds like a rubber ball exactly. 148 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: So now Detective six six is in the store and 149 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: he's listening to the owner just explain this whole thing, 150 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: and the owners kicking himself like, how did I not 151 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: see this? Um six says, you know you ever seen 152 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: them that Mrs Evans, and six is not surprised by 153 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: the answer, because he's heard this story all over town. 154 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: Oh nice, Dr Evans getting busy. Yeah. Four months earlier. 155 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: Dr Evans arrived in Colony, New York. This is a 156 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: small town. Well, I mean yeah, it's it's like I said, 157 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: it's the suburb of Albany, so that kind of bleeds 158 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: into it. But it's almost community. That's very true. So 159 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: he's living at the time an hour and a half 160 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: away in Springfield, Massachusetts. My sister used to live there. 161 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: I know that town. Does she know? Dr Evans? But 162 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: the grandkids? Okay, So he sets up his office in 163 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: downtown Albany and hires his secretary, hangs diplomas on the wall, 164 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: never sees a patient. What does he do at this time? Well, 165 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: he cruises around Albany and Colony and he has a 166 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: new corvette. So that that's like thinking about him. If 167 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: you're going to do it, do it this year. What's 168 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: Dr Evans like? Well, he has a new corvette. He's 169 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: just piling around. He's making buddies everywhere he goes. He 170 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: goes to north Star Bank, opens a checking account with 171 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty bucks. I don't know whatever. Um, 172 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: he's befriending all these local businessmen. He's going and he's 173 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: dropping cash in stores like he's making small purchases to 174 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: spend money, to make money. And he when he goes 175 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: and he buys like a little thing like, you know, 176 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: a bracelet somewhere. Then he starts, but he talks up 177 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: to the store owner about bigger purchases. Oh but you 178 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: know what, I really like that role, like, let me 179 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: think about let me check with my wife. I like it. Yeah, 180 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: he's jewelry stores, coin shops, oriental rug shops, all these things. 181 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: So one day he goes into the bank and he 182 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: deposits to checks totaling fifty dollars into his checking account, 183 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: and the checks are from his old checking account in 184 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: Cincinnati that's under another name the bank or him. The 185 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: checking account was under another his other name. And but 186 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: the problem is there's no Cincinnati bank account anymore. It's 187 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: already been closed down. But he has the checks from it. 188 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: He's writing a check and he writes those goes on 189 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: a spending spreed. So and they don't have like check 190 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: right systems. They won't know until they send the check 191 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: to Cincinnati, right. And he's also pulled some cash out 192 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: because he's piled up to the tellers and you know, oh, 193 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: we know him. He's a local doctor. It's really charming, 194 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: Dr Evans, Right. So he takes a check from that 195 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: north Star account and he buys dollars worth of computer 196 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: equipment from the Sears Computer Center. O boy, a lot. 197 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: It's a good deal. He's got plants, he said. He 198 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: tells him, like, what are you gonna do? It's like 199 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: ten laptops or something. He says, I'm going to be 200 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: doing some research on the prison system. Exactly is he 201 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: planning on busting people out? How to avoid the prison system. 202 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: But also it's like doing research. This is pre Internet 203 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: for the public. So what's he gonna do? Just play 204 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: Oregon Trail until the road runs spreadsheets. He's just he's 205 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: hauling through Excel spreadsheets like nobody's business. He writes a 206 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: fifty one dollar check for a four and a half 207 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: carrot diamond at a local jewelry store. As one does, 208 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: I mean, what day goes by that? We don't do 209 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: those sort of things. He it's a check for thirty 210 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: one grand for some other just like assorted gold jewelry. 211 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: He got there. They must all thought like, oh man, 212 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm making out, and he's like, one week later, I'm gone, 213 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: y'all exactly. He tricked a coin dealer into taking a 214 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: check for over thirty one dollars in exchange for eighty 215 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: maple leaf coins. Maple if those are the gold ones, Yeah, 216 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: the gold okay, gold coins, coin dealer says. Evans would have. 217 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: He says to him, like, you know, I'm gonna have 218 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: to wait until your check clears, you know, to give 219 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: you these coins. There's like no problem, and he's just 220 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: chatting up everyone in the coin shop and the dealer 221 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: goes like he has the he'd set the coins on 222 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: the counter, and Evans pulls out the check and uh. 223 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: The dealer goes down to the other end of the 224 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: store to help someone and the customer that Evans is 225 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: chumming up to they're chatting. He says, look, you know, 226 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: because that customer hadn't heard the whole thing about he 227 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: gotta wait till the check clears. So it's like, look, 228 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: I got to get back to the hospital. I'm gonna 229 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: get can you give him this check? Signs it, hands 230 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: it over, takes the coins, bounces out and go to 231 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: the hospital. Always like my page here. And so there's 232 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: Detective six at the rug shop. It's got all these 233 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: local merchants who are just like been screwed by this doctor. 234 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: Doctor is not in his office, nowhere to be found. 235 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: There's all this the wife no one's ever seen her. 236 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: Six sick knows a con artist when he sees one. 237 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: He also knows that a con that's this swift and 238 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: strategic is not going to be a one off. So 239 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Evans messed with the wrong six. So let's take an 240 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: ad break and when we get back, I'll let you 241 00:13:47,360 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: know what the good detective did next. So when we 242 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: left off, Detective six six was faced with a bunch 243 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: of crimes in Colony, New York, a suburb of Albany. 244 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: There's this man, Dr Alfred Evans comes to town, sets 245 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: up a psychologist practice. And remember he never saw any patients, 246 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: and we never saw his wife, and we never saw 247 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: his wife. He made pals, spent a little cash in 248 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: a two day period. He makes fake deposits at the 249 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: bank and writes bad checks for more than a hundred 250 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: and forty eight thousand dollars worth of stuff. I was wondering, 251 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm sitting you're trying to do like the math in 252 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: my head from but I couldn't keep them all. Then 253 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: he's gone. So six six knows that, you know, someone 254 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: had to have some experience to pull this off, and 255 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: that it couldn't be just a local crime. It's not 256 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: like a local guy who's like, I know what I'm 257 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: gonna do. You know, Oh yeah, this isn't also like 258 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: somebody's like I'm blowing this town, like this is gonna 259 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: be my road mone It's not that movie. Yeah, So 260 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: sickly get heard of this program called mag Laughlin Say 261 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: what again? It's m A G L O C L E. 262 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: N mag Lackland. It's the Middle Atlantic Great Lakes Organized 263 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: Crime Law Enforcement Network. Someone's like, we got this new 264 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: task force. We're gonna call it. McLachlin. Like, you guys, 265 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: there's just a thing called acronyms. You can I'm gonna 266 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: push it. I'm redlining on the acronym here. And what 267 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: that is is it's what's called an R I S 268 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: S god bless an acronym. It's a regionally information regional 269 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: information sharing system and completely it's a network for UM 270 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: law enforcement agencies, local, state, federal, tribal um in and 271 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: in this case for McLaughlin, it's Delaware, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, 272 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, District of Columbia. That's 273 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: an odd mix. It's like kind of like the del 274 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: Marva area and then the Great Lakes. Yeah, it's a 275 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: weird little bit. You know, there are six of these 276 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: that in the nation. They divide the country up into 277 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: six sections and like the Texas one is gigantic, covers 278 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: most of the South and stuff. So they share information 279 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: and they track criminal activity and trends, which is you know, 280 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: it's a good to have that information sharing. You always 281 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: hear the stories of like jurisdictions not sharing information. Yeah, 282 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: it's been a big problem. So six zick he puts 283 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: his case analysis into McLaughlin and then um it, you know, 284 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: it starts processing it. He takes everything that happened in 285 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: colony with Dr evans um. The system spits out twelve 286 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: similar cases and they start in Asheville, North Carolina. In 287 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: every single case, a guy comes into town as a psychologist, 288 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: sets up an office, hires a secretary, gets an answering service, 289 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: puts fake diploma on the wall, and like would spend 290 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: a couple of months making friends, piling around, spending a 291 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: little money exactly like he didn't call him. In each case. 292 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: He also bought a bunch of computer equipment, and sometimes 293 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: he would take out classified ads trying to flip that 294 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: computer equipment. I was wondering if it was for something 295 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: or it's just good value for him, right, And so 296 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: he's getting, you know, all this expensive computer equipment and 297 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: then flipping it around. What do you think it was 298 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: like to be the secretary? That's my question. A lot 299 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: of reading time. He would hire him from local employment agencies. 300 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: So they show up he has them said at like 301 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: the front desk at the office. I'm sure there's like 302 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: filing cabinets. Are they empty? Just like paper stap. I'm 303 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: kind of just based on the position at the time, 304 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's a young woman he hires, right, Yeah, 305 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: I mean usually unless you're really rich and you're traveling 306 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: on ocean liners, you don't have a male secretary. Right, 307 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: So she just sits there all day and does what 308 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: like does the phone ever ring? Probably, I'm probably guessing not. 309 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: Is it weird for her that there are no patients 310 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: coming in? Once again? Probably she's like, this is a 311 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: great I think it's a drug front. Well, you know, 312 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: there you go. That's a consideration because she, like, I 313 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: have looked into the absolute easiest three months secretary gig ever. 314 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: I think she saved the three month part. Yes, He's like, 315 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: I've I've looked into the easiest secretary gig ever. And 316 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: then did she ever get paid? Like I'm guessing yeah, 317 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: So is he supposed to I suppose in those cases 318 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: he's supposed to pay the agency. Well, he probably paid her, 319 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: you know, the initial two weeks, and then the second 320 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: two weeks, the third two weeks, the fourth two weeks, 321 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: maybe and then after that he's gonna get a little questionable. Right, 322 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: probably got paid for two months, maybe two and a 323 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: half months, two months of just sitting there doing the 324 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: cross word. That's not bad. She got time to invest 325 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: in her I still have a lot of questions about that. 326 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: Um anyway, con artist, he hit sub cities in North Carolina, 327 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: South Carolina, Georgia, Howlifornia, Nevada, Massachusetts, Maine, He's everywhere. I'm 328 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: not trying to be judgmental and I'm not trying to 329 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: disparage these states, but I often find it interesting when 330 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: a con man or con artist decides like, oh, these 331 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: are the states I'm going to hit, and I look 332 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: at the list and I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. 333 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: But here's here's what's curious with this is that some 334 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: of the places that he hits, Like in North Carolina, 335 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: it was in Asheville, and that's a college town and 336 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: now it's a big theater town, art arts and artsy 337 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: town with people who would you know, think that they 338 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: were more progressive and intellectual. Georgia was in Athens Town, 339 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: so he's kind of we can see like a little trend. 340 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: I don't know where he was in the other places 341 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: he did go his before he got to Colony, he 342 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: was in Cincinnati and Nevada Reno was a college town, 343 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: so we say loosely, Um, so you he goes he's 344 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, and he knows where he was before he 345 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: got to Colony, and um, that was back in eighty six. 346 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: He shows up in Cincinnati calling himself Dr. John Anderson. 347 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: Dr Anderson, Right, that's what I'm thinking. So he runs 348 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: his con there with office and the diploma and the friendmaking, 349 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: and he really chums up with this guy, Michael Wills, 350 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: a local coin dealer, So he talks to him a 351 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: lot about buying large quantities of gold coins. Who doesn't 352 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to chat up a coin dealer, 353 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: it's gonna be like for pushing gold. What kind of 354 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: weight can we get around here? I'm curious about buying 355 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: a lot of gold from you huge pop in touch, 356 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, like I want boatloads of gold coming in. 357 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: So he's you know, he just goes and chats with him. 358 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: Why this isn't suspicious to the coin dealer of this 359 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: guy I've never met before comes in and introduces himself 360 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: and just wants to talk. I'm guessing he's lonely. He's 361 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: a coin dealer, so maybe there's not a lot of 362 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: people who are coming and going like, hey, man, I 363 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: got this double eagle, what's it earth? Because he wants 364 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: to butter him up, though, so Anderson Dr Anderson Dr 365 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: Evans Um. He asks Wills to speak at a physicians 366 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: investing group at the children's hospital where he supposedly works. 367 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: So these imaginary doctors at the children's hospital are gonna 368 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: want to hear what a coin dealer has to say 369 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: about investing in the future of gold, right right, And 370 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: this guy goes for this and yet no doctor has 371 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: ever come in and talked to him prior. He's like, no, 372 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,239 Speaker 1: this is a big growth area, man, these doctors, they 373 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: would be into gold and silver. What else you got? 374 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 1: We got platinum? They love that stuff. Well, I mean, 375 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: don't you think that. As Evans slash Anderson is is 376 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: buttering up Wills, He's like, God, you know so much 377 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: about investing, you should come and talk. And Wills is thinking, 378 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: finally being appreciated, someone appreciates this knowledge that I have 379 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: to share this. Honestly, when when I was a young 380 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: man learning about conn artists, it taught me a lot 381 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: about humans and what motivates them because con artists get this, 382 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: and the a part of connartists is it's short for confidence, 383 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: So they will play on a person's confidence and they 384 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: will let you believe that like, oh I am interesting, 385 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: Oh I am a really knowledgeable person, and hey I 386 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: got good ideas. The person's like, yoh, yeah, you do. 387 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: Total you should meet my imaginary doctors at this children's hospital. Well, 388 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna 389 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: break it to you. There's no investing group. What I 390 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: am shocked. But lease take a picture in my face. 391 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: I can see what I look like when I am shocked. 392 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: Evans slash Anderson winds up ordering thirty grand worth of 393 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: gold coins from Wills, and Wills is like, that's great. 394 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we're in business together. I'm gonna 395 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: bring those coins to the hospital to you know, to 396 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: give them to you in two days time when I 397 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: do my speaking engagement to your investor group. So let 398 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: me meet you out front and then we'll get you parked. 399 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: And and Evans is like, great, yeah, come speak to 400 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: the investor group and bring the coins. It's perfect. So 401 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: Two days later, Will shows up at the hospital right 402 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: and early. Evans Slash Anderson meets him at the entrance, 403 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: takes him to a private room where Wills can hand 404 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: him the point he does the thing. He meets him 405 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: at the entrance. Yeah, I watched enough of like he 406 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: actually it was he did let him get in the building. Yeah, 407 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: this is like a Rockford Files plot. Evans was in 408 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: the elevator and Wills goes to get He's like, oh hey, 409 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: this literally is like Rockford Files plots, Like that guy 410 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: watched how Connor just do what They stand in the 411 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: building and they come out like they're talking to somebody. 412 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: And that's what he did. Because then he was like, 413 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: all right, catch you later to some doctors who are like, 414 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: all right that literally, yeah, this is amazing. He must 415 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: watch the same Rockford Files. So Evans Slash Anderson, he 416 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: gets Wills in this room, gets the coins from him. 417 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: He's like, you know, they let me use a safe 418 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: upstairs in the hospital, so I'm gonna go put these 419 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: coins in the safe. If he could just sit tight, 420 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: R gonna be right back. So Wills is like all right, 421 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: and he sits there. Yeah, he's liked a coffee machine. 422 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: I can get to maybe a little. And he keeps waiting, 423 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: sitting there, and then he finally gets tired of waiting 424 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: as the seasons change. So he goes up to a 425 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: desk nurse and says, can you page Dr Anderson? And 426 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: she says, don't you see Dr Anderson's the mother? There's 427 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: no Dr Anderson. Yeah, She's like, what are you talking about? 428 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: Dr Anderson? Doctor who? Doctor who? Now? And the what's it? 429 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: What's his bucket? Dr Anderson? No, we don't have one 430 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: name that And so from there, the phony doctor takes 431 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: off to colony and I'm out and I'm out. So 432 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: in colony, as Dr Evans, he deposited the checks from 433 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: Dr Anderson plus the mother from a doctor miller. You're 434 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: gonna mix it up, you know, and he's he gets 435 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: to know the tellers. Like I said, they get they 436 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: trust him, they have their they have confidence for him. 437 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: On the question the checks they're from a doctor miller. 438 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: So he's taking the money out of the one account 439 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: that he has it going into and moving it. Okay, yeah, 440 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to keep up with this. So he 441 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: they gave him cash before the larger checks are clearing 442 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, he's a doctor, and you know, 443 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: but the bucks stopped in colony with old six Zick. 444 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: Six Zick had the entire region aware of this guy. Now, 445 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: like because he's plugged him into the McGlocklin, the McLaughlin group. 446 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: Now it's over. Um six k was tireless in tracking 447 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: this guy two years. Two years he spent tracing where 448 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: he had been and then finding new instances where he 449 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: would pop up, and it was like he was always 450 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 1: like two weeks behind him. So he finds out that 451 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: he called himself Dr Evans, Dr Anderson, Dr Miller, Dr Brown. 452 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: He has a ton of bank accounts. There's all like 453 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: just all these items that he has essentially stolen over 454 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: the years. It feels like like a Tom Hanks movie, 455 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: like he's he's six. On October, the TV show Unsolved 456 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: Mysteries at a segment on the con artist, and the 457 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: part where Wills gets ditched in the room in the 458 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: basement of the hospital is really funny because the actual 459 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: Mike Wills plays himself in the re enactment. That is priceless. 460 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson's his own life story completely. He talks about 461 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: how he fell for everything because the guy said he 462 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: was a doctor, and he was so sure of himself, 463 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: he was confident. There it is, there it is. And 464 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: he's just so honest and transparent about how he got conned. 465 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: Also not that I feel he's a good actor too. 466 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: That the best part is when he's just like sitting 467 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: in the room by himself, just about to say, I 468 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: feel like this guy has some loneliness issues, like and 469 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: I bet he's a really good and kind and different 470 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: guy too. That's the damn sham of it all completely. 471 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: And so the episode showed photos of the guy and 472 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: listed all the aliases and it paid off. January, Roanoke, Virginia. 473 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: Imagine it. The FBI office there gets a tip that 474 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: there's a man calling himself Dr Alfred Pete Evans hadn't 475 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: switched up. Then that's the big mistakes, staying at the 476 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: local days in. I bet he was doing it because 477 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: he had cleared the money, yet he needed the old identity. 478 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, well he was using other people's He was 479 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: taking social security numbers from uh people in retirement homes, 480 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: and then some of them he was using his actual 481 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: social Security number. And yeah, and you also, well I'm 482 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: not going to tell people there are other ways. Security 483 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: numbers they have to pay. Let's just say it involves 484 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: the children. Yeah, that's so. The swoop in and they 485 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: pick him up at the days in motel and he 486 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: had a ton of evidence on him. So they arrest 487 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: him and they run his prints and they get a hit. 488 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: Oh he didn't like iron off his prints. They do 489 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: this guy's name and his story. Now let's take a break. 490 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: When we get back, I'm gonna tell you about a 491 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: man named Michael Sabo. So, who is Michael Sabo Peter 492 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: Sabo's brother. Yes, Michael John Sabo was born in didn't 493 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,239 Speaker 1: know there was gonna be a quiz. You haven't been 494 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: taking notes? No, can we talk about Chris Sabo? I 495 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: know about him. I don't know this whole Michael Sabo 496 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: like that, you can quiz quiz me on No, right, 497 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: but I'm trying to I'm trying to educate you about 498 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 1: Michael Sabo. Can I educate you about Norm Charlton and 499 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: his bad hair cuts? Okay, fine, you go. Michael Sabo 500 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: born in Pennsylvania, Great state. Right at some point in 501 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: the seventies, he gets he's found guilty of interstate transportation 502 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: of forged securities, stocks and bonds. Now I just want 503 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: to know did he forged security for stocks and forged 504 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: He's just like, he's all because I got a pants 505 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,719 Speaker 1: full of bearer bonds? What bonds? Like? Anyone ever actually 506 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: seen a bearer bond? Ever since die Hard, I've always 507 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: want to know what a damn bearer bond is. And 508 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: everyone's like German bearer bonds. I'm like, I don't think 509 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: those are real. I've never seen these on Rockford Trials. 510 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: Just sounds so good, doesn't it sound so official? Um? 511 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: So he gets sentenced to eight years at Allenwood Federal 512 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: Prison Camp in Pennsylvania. Good, good, good prisoner. Are you 513 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 1: familiar with the various types of federal facilities? Actually I am, 514 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: because it just doesn't matter. But go on, I'm intimately 515 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: familiar with them. That's true, you actually have worked. I 516 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: used to get out on a Monday and go right 517 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: back in the next day. Yeah. I taught college courses 518 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: at a federal prison and it was by far the 519 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: best teaching experience of my life, the best students I 520 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: ever had. Where I taught. The facility was split into 521 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: two parts. There was the yard and the camp. The 522 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: yard is like your traditional notion of a prison. It's 523 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: a fortress and um cell blocks. You had to go 524 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: through those man trap security doorways that double things gun towers. 525 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: Like I go in, be signed in at the front, 526 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: go through security, get escorted across the yard to the 527 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: education building, teach my class, get escorted back through the 528 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: yard to the front entrance, sign out, head home. Super 529 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: tight regulation on everything. I couldn't have any metal at 530 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: all in any of my clothing. No underwire braws, No 531 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: like shoelaces with metal laces. Well I had the metal 532 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: I had told myself in and out of my shoes 533 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: every day. Well, there were like colors you couldn't wear. 534 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: I used to wear a lot of all green, and 535 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: you can because they were all of Some of the 536 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: inmates are wearing all of them, so I just, you know, 537 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: why couldn't it be orange. I don't wear a lot 538 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: of warm exactly. So everything's super controlled. No cell phones 539 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: or electronics. There was a big thing about Apple watches 540 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: when I was there, because you couldn't just have that 541 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: as your watch. But we didn't have a clock in 542 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: the classroom, so I had to I had to keep 543 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: my watch on UM anyhow, so that's where I taught 544 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: night classes, was in the yard. Now the classes during 545 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: the day were a different student cohort, but at the 546 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: same location, and that was in the camp, which was 547 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: like across the parking lot from me. Yeah, so it's 548 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 1: separate from the fortress area. And in those days, like 549 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: I drove up to the camp building, parked, got out, 550 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: the person managing the education department that day would come 551 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: out let me into the building like I didn't get 552 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: security nothing, and then they would go back to their 553 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: office and I would just like cruise down the hall 554 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: to my classroom. Someone be like in the art room 555 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: playing the guitar, a bill, Hey, what's up. It is 556 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: like the white collar section. Yeah. Well they would get 557 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: in there because of like whichever crime, like if they 558 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: had a you know, milder crime, I suppose, but then 559 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: also good without enhancements imagine, yeah, and good good behavior, 560 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: and so they become like a trustee. And the inmates 561 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: at the camp all had jobs, so like cooking in 562 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: the main building, they did landscaping that sort of stuff, 563 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: and there was no giant fence around the whole thing, 564 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: so it's possible for these guys to just like walk away. 565 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: I suppose if they wanted to imagine though, this is 566 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: this is in the Carolina, So this is surrounding by 567 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah, and so it's thick woods all around it, 568 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: and there's like a road that goes circles the whole 569 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: property and continuously all day long. There's a pickup truck 570 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: with two dudes with shotguns in it circling around. Had style. Yeah, 571 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: that keeps you from just strolling off. I had um 572 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: at a student who arranged a little rendezvous with the 573 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: lady in the woods and got caught la la, Yeah, 574 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: and so they put him in solitary and then just 575 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: transferred him to another facility. Who knows. So, yeah, he 576 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: went out into the woods, but he didn't he didn't 577 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: leave completely, Like why not go all the way and 578 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: here again I break out. He's like, look, I just 579 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: needed to get into something. I'll be good exactly, I'll 580 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: pop back up. So Sabo is at the camp part 581 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: of the prison, and he had a lot of opportunities 582 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: to bounce out, and in nineteen seventy nine he took one. 583 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm guessing he did just strolled. He was on the 584 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: run for thirteen years years and in those thirteen years, 585 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: he did the following alright, hit me with it. He 586 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: posed not just as a doctor and psychologist, but also 587 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: as an airline pilot. When he was on a flight 588 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: from New York to Miami, he said he was an 589 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: airline pilot and sat behind the controls as of a 590 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: seven seven series jet with a hundred and twenty people 591 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: on board. I pretty good. He was not the only pilot. 592 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: We couldn't know that. Usually they're off in the running 593 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: on autopilot, so he probably didn't have to do much 594 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: other than landertaking, drank coffee, and made small talk. Is 595 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: it lasagn your stake on the flight today? He that 596 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,440 Speaker 1: like inflatable pilot, exact a total airplane. I know, I 597 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: just so um. He had uniforms for like t W 598 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: A Delta United that he would wear. I like his 599 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: commitment was a good way to gain confidence and trust. 600 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: He dresses a pilot is a good way to gain 601 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: confidence for himself. I got this uniform. I feel like 602 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: more of a man. He was feeling really insecure and 603 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: untethered after he fled the prison camp. Exactly. I don't 604 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: know who I hope. I just want to I need 605 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: somewhere in society to be I'm a captain. Now I'm 606 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: the captain. Now I'm worth something, yeah know, so that 607 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: other people would be confident gain their trust. Right. He 608 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: delivered a baby while acting as a doctor in a 609 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: Texas hospital. You gotta set me up on that. He 610 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: just jumps right into He's in a look at a 611 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: room delivering babies, and I like to imagine he walks 612 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: down the hall, here's the lady screaming, goes in with 613 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: like a catcher off his pilot's uniform. Yeah, it's in 614 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: a pilot's uniform with a coat, white coat over. He 615 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: gonna get some scrubs catchers, grabs the baby and there's 616 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: like high five someone and then tosses it to the 617 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: nurse and keeps walking. Oh dude, my sister had a 618 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: kid or second kid, and the kid came out and 619 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: there was a nurse there who's like a friend of 620 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: the family who was in the room, and the kid 621 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: came out so fast because I mean, my sister is 622 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: pretty strong, so maybe she'd put a little English on it. 623 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: So she squeezed that kid out and the nurse is 624 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: like supposed to catch the kid. The nurse faints. This 625 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: is like a nurse's like a nurse for twenty something 626 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: years and basically almost has the baby dropped. Luckily, the 627 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: baby basically lands on her. She faints. Wow yeah, right, hmm, 628 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: I wonder what else was going on in the nurse's life. 629 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: It's okay, So he delivers the baby and it winked 630 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: at him, and then he won a case while impersonating 631 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: an attorney in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I mean, who hasn't 632 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: done that? Of course, he became a deputy sheriff in 633 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: the South Carolina jail six weeks after he escaped from 634 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: the federal prison in Pennsylvania. That is amazing on two levels. One, 635 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: he escaped to federal prison and then his thought is, 636 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: you know what, I should probably become a cop, and 637 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 1: I should at least a fake go back into a jail. 638 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: They would never look for me. There flits the pilot's 639 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,280 Speaker 1: uniform on and then the like South Carolina jail deputy 640 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: uniform on top of that. So he has an inner 641 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 1: confidence exactly, but he's like, I got to work socialist team. 642 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: He posed as an army colonel and a Navy commander 643 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: now at the same time, split down the middle like 644 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: those people who are fans of two teams exactly with 645 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: their parents and five kids on either team in front 646 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: of the uniform's navy then in the army like when 647 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: he was younger. But that doesn't mean that he can 648 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: pretend to be a colonel or some of the language. 649 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: He pretended to be a golden diamond dealer. Well, this 650 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: one I do believe because he spent a lot of 651 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: time with He got executive status for blue chip companies 652 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: while he was employed as a mortgage loan officer for 653 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: Lincoln Savings. In them Lincoln Savings Alone little known fun 654 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: fact is a big part of the Savings Alone disaster 655 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: Michael exactly, which is like a perfect of course, He's 656 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to birds of a feather flocking together. 657 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: So he also went to Florida and got eight different 658 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: plastic surgery procedures done. He had facelift, cheek implants, like 659 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: he rearranged his whole visits. Wow, So he's like one 660 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: of those like old Robert Mitchell movies. It's like I've 661 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: got the total thing. I'm not a new person. Yeah. 662 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: And then it's like he probably went and got like 663 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: one of those free what do they call that when 664 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: the pilot flies or what is the dead heading? Dead heading? Yeah, 665 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: So he's got a face wrapped in gauze and he's 666 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: got the whole pilot, the invisible man but in a 667 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: pilot uniform, and they're like, what happened. He's like, I can't. 668 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: We lost one in Macho grande drinking. So he's all 669 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,320 Speaker 1: jazzed up on his face and he was quoted as saying, 670 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: I never used force on anybody. My personality and non 671 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: criminal look helped me get into in the door a lot. 672 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: The only time I ever had a gun in my 673 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: hand was when I was in the military. I bought 674 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: suits and tried to play that role. Yeah, I'll give 675 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: it to him. So he's arrested by the FBI in 676 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: VIRGINNY and he was convicted of grand larceny for the Colony, 677 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: New York stuff he got. Oh they catch up to him. 678 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: Oh you know they said that I get something. Yeah, 679 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: but I mean, like, oh, brother, we got you on. 680 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: They ran his prince and then they had like you know, 681 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: they were able to connect the dots and he had 682 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 1: evidence on him. So he gets two to six years 683 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: for the stuff in Colony. That's six It caught him 684 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: on he For that, he goes to New York's Sullivan 685 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: Correctional Facility, maximum security, and there he meets David Son 686 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: of Sam Berkowitz about to say, I thought I remembered 687 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: hearing Sullivan correction Facilities where they sent some of the 688 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: the harder, and that's where he goes. But it's also 689 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 1: because it's like, well, we know this guy's he's a floater. 690 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: He'll take off looking. So he pleads guilty to the 691 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,720 Speaker 1: original prison escape and does some time for that, twenty 692 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: seven months. For that, he gets convicted of bank fraud, forgery, 693 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: grand larceny, identity theft in five different states. Did the 694 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: fashion police come after him to everybody's hitting them? Well, 695 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: those uniforms look sharp, so no. And he serves his 696 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: time in those five states in federal and state lock ups, 697 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: and he's released in October of two thousand nine. WHOA, 698 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,440 Speaker 1: So he was spent like all of the late nineties 699 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: and early behind bars. He missed out. He must have 700 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: a lot of good fun. And then he moves to 701 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: Kentucky and sells cars straight, you know. And he said, 702 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: like you know, he had to go and get he 703 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 1: had to pay taxes, and get credit cards in his 704 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: own name, And when he went to the Social Security 705 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: office to get everything ironed out, they had like five 706 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 1: different names associated with his social Security number, and so 707 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: he had it. He had went through all of that, 708 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: like what happens. I made a mistake once, that happens, Okay, 709 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: So he may not have been a con artist in 710 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: the legal sense of the word after that, but he 711 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: still was a savant of the human condition. So he starts. 712 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: The first thing he does, he's selling cars at a 713 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: car dealership, but he starts to companies American Identity Theft 714 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: Recovery and Identity Theft Watch as a wolf. Let me 715 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 1: tell you how to keep your sheep safe precisely, he said, 716 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: he did this, But there's no record of these companies, 717 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: so I don't know if he was like, let me 718 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: give me your social Security number and I'll go see 719 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: if anyone else has it. Be right back wait in 720 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: this hospital private room. I'm gonna go check all your 721 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: personal information and the bank information you gave any Thank 722 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: you for that, he said. You know that my goal 723 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 1: is to save others from people like me, And I 724 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: don't know how that shook out for him. Then the 725 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: next company he starts is a company called Prison Consultants 726 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: of America. Go with what you know. You know exactly. 727 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: The website for it isn't active anymore, but you can 728 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: find it in the archive and um. He dissolved that 729 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 1: company a year later. But this is how he sold 730 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: his services. I'm gonna give you some quotes here. He 731 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,839 Speaker 1: said that his time served quote left him with an 732 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: intimate understanding of the strategies required to navigate the federal 733 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,240 Speaker 1: prison system, as well as the critical need for support 734 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 1: when facing incarceration. He created this company to better prepare 735 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,840 Speaker 1: people like yourself for the crisis you are facing. Let 736 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: us help you take control during your incarceration phase. We 737 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: specialize in consulting white collar, drug and sex offenders. Our 738 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,919 Speaker 1: staff of trained professionals will present you with options from 739 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 1: various Bureau of Prisons programs on how to best navigate 740 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: the system. We will also instruct you and your loved 741 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: ones on what to expect during your incarceration. We want 742 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 1: to educate you prior to and during custody to help 743 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: alleviate your concerns, fears, and worries regard imprisonment. This seems familiar, right, 744 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,439 Speaker 1: It's like that Kevin Hart Will Ferrell movie Get Hard. 745 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. It's a really problematic movie. 746 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: But oh god that movie. We we um it was 747 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,400 Speaker 1: in that movie. So Sab wouldn't rip that off. No, No, 748 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: he's definitely pre geth Hard. I mean he basically like, 749 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 1: look y'all exactly now. On that same defunct website, he 750 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: claims that Steven Spielberg approached him about using his life 751 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: for the two thousand two films Catch Me if you can. 752 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: Frank Aniguel's gonna be a little pistre. Yeah, that's exactly it. 753 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: And so like Frank Abniguel, uh abcnail yea abigail. Frank, 754 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not the best on Italian names because 755 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: the g and then just names my own. So Frank 756 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: had a loose, you know, relationship with the truth. So 757 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: did Michael Sabo. Um. Sabo said that he couldn't do 758 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: the movie. He couldn't authorize the movie because, um, he 759 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: was wanted by law enforcement officials across the US, and 760 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: so that's why he couldn't agree and sell the rights 761 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: to his story. I think that only counts if you're 762 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: actually in jailer prison. It's weird. You can't benefit from 763 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: the crime. That's exactly what I told Spielberg when he 764 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,720 Speaker 1: approached me to use my life for his twelve film Lincoln, 765 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: and I did the exact same thing. When do you 766 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,800 Speaker 1: approach me about et Oh my god, I was the 767 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: little boy who found the alien and you had to 768 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,880 Speaker 1: tell him. Look, I wanted, I can't tell you. Well, no, 769 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: actually why I I can't tell you because I left 770 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: the planet and I signed these legal documents with et 771 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: S people, and then you know too much. You don't 772 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: want to. Stellar lawyers are a nightmare. And Spielberg gets that. 773 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: He's a very compassionate man. Yeah he is. So, Um, 774 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: we know, we don't know where Michael Sabo is now, 775 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: well you know where, Steven Spielberg don't know where. Let 776 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,839 Speaker 1: me check my find my friend, so Sabo, who knows. Um, 777 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: he's been a lot of place is He's been lots 778 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: of people. But you know who's to saying, Oh, he 779 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: literally is just gone. He's off the grid. Nobody knows 780 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: where he is. He could be alive, could be dead. 781 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: He could be in Texas, could be in Tunisia. What 782 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,879 Speaker 1: if I ripped off a face and your Michael happen 783 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: to be wearing a Pilots out Exactly. I was wondering 784 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: why you had all of your badges on you. What's 785 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: your ridiculous takeaway here? Oh man, Um, Basically, I know 786 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: this is gonna be really petty. But if you're a 787 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: con artist and you go to a new town, don't 788 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: use your old identity. Just really commit to the bid 789 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,400 Speaker 1: and keep it going. Because that seems to be a 790 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: real place that he got caught is that he got 791 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,680 Speaker 1: a little creedy on the like I need to move 792 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: these funds, and he need to move these funds. If 793 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,800 Speaker 1: he would have waited a little bit, he could be 794 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: just raking it in in crypto and n f T s. 795 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: But no, in the nineties, wrong time to be greedy. Well, 796 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: and he created a lot of links in the chain 797 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,400 Speaker 1: by jumping from I mean, I understand that he had 798 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: to use the defunct bank account checks to open, but 799 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,280 Speaker 1: like that just connected him from exactly, it literally became 800 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: a paper trail. By the way, you said, he he's 801 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: still alive, but we don't know where he is. I'd 802 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: be willing to bet you he is definitely knee deep 803 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: in some crypto right, No, completely, Yeah, if he's if 804 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: he's kicking it. Yeah, I mean that's just a space 805 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: made for this kind of stuff. Somebody who studied con artistry. Well, 806 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: I thought about that a lot too. Is that he 807 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,200 Speaker 1: was really lucky to be doing this in the pre 808 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,320 Speaker 1: Internet age allowed him a lot of stuff that you 809 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: can't get away with. Well, but yeah, I think he 810 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: would have just upped his game and got away with 811 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,760 Speaker 1: new stuff. Yeah, exactly, that's true. I think the coolest 812 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: guy here is Detective Martin Sick sick dog with a 813 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: bone baby. He he later retired to Florida, and I 814 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: was really happy for him with that. It's a good 815 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: place to fun for him, good place to bury a bone. 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