Speaker 1: Sometimes doing the right thing comes, of course, be careful
Speaker 1: you're falling lower.
Speaker 2: Hey it's fifty.
Speaker 3: Cents and I'm Charlie Webster. This is surviving El Chapeau,
Speaker 3: The Twins who brought down a druglord Season two.
Speaker 4: I know all too well the struggle that comes with
Speaker 4: choosing a different life. For me, it was music that
Speaker 4: allowed me to get out of the life and write
Speaker 4: a new destiny for myself. For Pedro and Mygodo Flores Junior,
Speaker 4: the Flores twins, it's been a long journey since they
Speaker 4: were sat in the backseat of their father's car is
Speaker 4: seven years old, loaded with drugs as it was moved
Speaker 4: across the Mexican border.
Speaker 2: That's what started it all.
Speaker 4: Without even knowing, they were put on the path that
Speaker 4: they've spent the last fourteen years trying to leave. To
Speaker 4: change the legacy of the Flora's name. Billions of dollars
Speaker 4: and thousands of decisions over decades have brought the Flora's
Speaker 4: family to where they are today.
Speaker 3: The brothers said at that time, but as far as
Speaker 3: the government is concerned, the Flora's family haven't satisfied their
Speaker 3: debt to society.
Speaker 2: One of the reason why we want to. I wanted
Speaker 2: to share the story.
Speaker 5: These decisions we make, no matter how they are or
Speaker 5: whatever we try to fix, is coming at a cost.
Speaker 5: To this day, we're still We're still trying to make
Speaker 5: things right. We're still trying to correct our wrongs, and
Speaker 5: you know, we might get something right on one end
Speaker 5: and fail on somewhere else.
Speaker 2: As men. I've told about this plenty of times.
Speaker 5: The man that I was was I promised her that
Speaker 5: we're going to a different life. That I promised her,
Speaker 5: that was that put in home's way, like her past relationships,
Speaker 5: and I failed that by far.
Speaker 2: I always hold myself responsible.
Speaker 5: Because I think that's what you do as a leader,
Speaker 5: as a you know, as ahead of your house or.
Speaker 6: The man that I am.
Speaker 5: I think I hold myself responsible for leaving my family
Speaker 5: get to this point. You know, my children, I failed them.
Speaker 3: After the wives were initially arrested and let go after
Speaker 3: two days, in twenty twenty one, a case started to
Speaker 3: be built by the government against Val and viv Remember.
Speaker 3: Val helped the government as part of j and Pete's
Speaker 3: cooperation and turned over four million dollars to the FEDS
Speaker 3: from the twins drug activity. Back in twenty ten, as
Speaker 3: part of the twins case, the government did a forensic
Speaker 3: investigation into their financials and couldn't find any further money
Speaker 3: that was out on the streets. But it turns out
Speaker 3: there was more money owed to the twins from drug
Speaker 3: debts that the wives and Armando, the twins older brother,
Speaker 3: collected and hid from the government. The government claimed they
Speaker 3: didn't know about this money until they received a tip
Speaker 3: off from someone very close to the family.
Speaker 5: Jerome Finnigin is the uncle of vv's brother in law.
Speaker 5: Jerome Finnegain was one of the corrupt Chicago police officers
Speaker 5: that got picked up on the steamed back in twenty sixty,
Speaker 5: and part of that arrest was vv's ex fiance Keith
Speaker 5: Herrera and Jerome and other police officers.
Speaker 3: Police officers Keith Herrera and Jerome Finnegan were partners on
Speaker 3: the force together and known as two of the dirtiest
Speaker 3: cops in Chicago. The two of them topped the Chicago
Speaker 3: Police Apartment's misconduct complaints list in the five years between
Speaker 3: two thousand and one and two thousand and six. Keith
Speaker 3: the masked fifty three citizen complaints, Jerome fifty two. Keith
Speaker 3: and Jerome were closely linked to Viv. Before Viv got
Speaker 3: together with Pete, she was actually engaged to Keith, and
Speaker 3: Viv's sister Bianca, ended up marrying Jerome's nephew. In two
Speaker 3: thousand and six, Keith, Jerome, and other police officers were
Speaker 3: arrested for making unlawful arrests and searches, gathering false evidence,
Speaker 3: and stealing money from drug dealers. In one instance, during
Speaker 3: an unlawful traffic stop, they took the person's house keys,
Speaker 3: broke into their house, and took half a million dollars
Speaker 3: in cash.
Speaker 5: Well, when Keith flipped, he you know, flipped with the
Speaker 5: Feds to corporate against his fellow officers. Jerome finking wanning
Speaker 5: to hire someone to kill him.
Speaker 3: Keith turned against Jerome and the other officers and worked
Speaker 3: with the police to bring them down. Jerome found out
Speaker 3: and plotted to kill his former partner Keith for cooperating,
Speaker 3: but the FED foiled the murder for higher plots, and
Speaker 3: Jerome was sentenced to twelve years in prison. Keith cooperation
Speaker 3: meant he was only sentenced to two months.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you know he got a rushed in two
Speaker 5: thousand and six and he's in there in the MCC
Speaker 5: right Metropol Correctional Center in Chicago, the federal holdover right
Speaker 5: for federal inmates, and he's in the shoe. He's in
Speaker 5: protective custody. He's the orderly at that time when me
Speaker 5: and my brother come in. So orderly means he cleans up,
Speaker 5: he helps out, you know, the correctional officers if you
Speaker 5: eat something you asked to orderly. Like so he's you know, sweets, mops,
Speaker 5: cleans up, might past the food trays or whatever the
Speaker 5: case is.
Speaker 3: Jerome was the orderly at MCC Chicago. When Pete and
Speaker 3: j first went to prison and were in the shoe there,
Speaker 3: they didn't know who Jerome was.
Speaker 5: The weeks went by, he'll stop by, Hey, I had
Speaker 5: no idea that he was related to V's like related
Speaker 5: through marriage to Vv's family, Like I know who he
Speaker 5: is from the street, like I know of him. But Pe,
Speaker 5: you know, while we're in the shoe, they start talking
Speaker 5: and he's like, hey, I know you and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 2: You know, like they know that he.
Speaker 5: Knows that Viviana's Peter's wife. So they start making small
Speaker 5: talk right Pee, you know, right away befriends on then
Speaker 5: moving forward I guess his nephew, by chance, was a
Speaker 5: person that my older brother had help bring back the
Speaker 5: money from Washington, DC. And he goes the nephews go
Speaker 5: visit his uncle, and the uncle convinces him Jerome to
Speaker 5: bring the information to the FED so that he could
Speaker 5: get a lighter sentence. So that's how the FED found out.
Speaker 3: Jerome was desperate to get out of prison. He would
Speaker 3: do anything he could to get information out of inmates
Speaker 3: that he could use as a bargaining tool to help
Speaker 3: him get his sentence reduced. That's why he befriended Pete.
Speaker 3: Jerome found out that there was money hidden from the
Speaker 3: twins drug debts. Jerome's nephew, the one married to viv
Speaker 3: sister Bianca, helped Armando, Ja and Pete's older brother to
Speaker 3: collect the four million dollars from DC that vow turned
Speaker 3: over to the government, but Jerome knew there was more.
Speaker 3: He pushed his nephew to give that information to the FEDS,
Speaker 3: and the tip off from Jerome is what the government
Speaker 3: used to arrest Val and Viv. Jerome didn't end up
Speaker 3: getting any time off his sentence. Armando was also arrested
Speaker 3: for his part in the collection of the money. If
Speaker 3: you remember, when fifty and I were recording season one,
Speaker 3: the Flores family found out that Armando had decided to
Speaker 3: cooperate with the government. After his arrest, Armando confessed that
Speaker 3: there was more money and provided evidence that ultimately implicated
Speaker 3: the wives. Armando was given an ultimatum by the government
Speaker 3: to either serve serious time and face deportation. If you recall,
Speaker 3: J and P got him a US visa as part
Speaker 3: of their deal to cooperate or get favorable terms in
Speaker 3: exchange for information on the wives.
Speaker 7: Jan Peter's older brother thanks like.
Speaker 8: My best friend, and I mean I love him unconditionally,
Speaker 8: and I worry about his immigration status and him being deported.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, no matter what, I'm for my brother
Speaker 1: to be put in the best scenario possible now got
Speaker 1: himself and his family.
Speaker 2: Just can't wait to put this behind us and.
Speaker 7: Just get through it as a family like we've always done.
Speaker 1: Amount of resources it takes into something like this, I
Speaker 1: wonder why the streets have flood away heroin and cocaine
Speaker 1: and even more dangerous stuff now fentanon and all kinds
Speaker 1: of shady Okay, because you know.
Speaker 2: That's why I'd be focused on. Every office has.
Speaker 1: The decision to you know, where they put their time
Speaker 1: and resources at.
Speaker 2: And I can't agree that this is the best, you know,
Speaker 2: way to do that.
Speaker 1: But that's just my opinion onwill all the other people
Speaker 1: are just keep doing what I was, you know, all
Speaker 1: the next P and J's probably there now building his
Speaker 1: empire round and orders.
Speaker 9: The first thing that prosecutor will generally tell a cooperator
Speaker 9: or potential cooperator is the cooperation is an all or
Speaker 9: nothing proposition.
Speaker 3: That's Michael Ferrara, the assistant US attorney that worked J
Speaker 3: and P's case against El Chapo from the very beginning.
Speaker 3: He worked alongside Thomas Shakeshaft and Adam Fels.
Speaker 9: And the government needs to need that to be true
Speaker 9: when they say it.
Speaker 6: They absolutely need it.
Speaker 9: And so the reason for a prosecution like that is
Speaker 9: that it's a betrayal of trust at some level that
Speaker 9: they were given a second chance, they were given a
Speaker 9: clean slate, and decided to use drug proceeds for material
Speaker 9: things in a way that was very avoidable.
Speaker 3: According to the government. In addition to the four million
Speaker 3: dollars from DC that Vile turned over to them, there
Speaker 3: was another two point three million dollars that they never
Speaker 3: told anyone about. One day, a U haul truck arrived
Speaker 3: at the twins older brother Armando's house in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 3: The truck was piled high with second hand furniture. Hidden
Speaker 3: inside the furniture with stacks of cash two point three
Speaker 3: million dollars worth. Armando stored the money under his porch
Speaker 3: and sat on it for four years until twenty fifteen,
Speaker 3: when he started dispersing it to the wives in increments
Speaker 3: on average of nine thousand dollars via US Priority mail
Speaker 3: and UPS packages, as well as through gift cards. He
Speaker 3: would then pay himself a fee out of each delivery.
Speaker 3: The government accused the wives of living a life ravish lifestyle,
Speaker 3: using the money to pay for luxury cars, designer purss,
Speaker 3: a platoon exercise bike, as well as private school for
Speaker 3: their children, living costs like rent, and over ninety nine
Speaker 3: thousand dollars on vacations.
Speaker 9: The government clearly made the decision that that couldn't be tolerated,
Speaker 9: that they needed to send a message to other co operators,
Speaker 9: to just society as a whole, that if you join
Speaker 9: the government's team, that has to meaning from sort of
Speaker 9: beginning to end you can't be a cooperator and hiden.
Speaker 6: Driump proceeds and living off of drum proceeds. At the
Speaker 6: same time, I.
Speaker 10: Feel that in J and Peter sentencing memorandum, they spun
Speaker 10: it to the court like we basically benefited because we
Speaker 10: were given immunity.
Speaker 8: But fast forward ten years they come and guide us.
Speaker 8: It's like they're trying to change the narrative. And I
Speaker 8: feel like the US Attorney's Office today is very different
Speaker 8: than what it was back in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 8: and I feel that they didn't have a certain roulebook
Speaker 8: to go by, and because this case was so big
Speaker 8: for J and Peter, I feel like there were mistakes
Speaker 8: made because it's never been done before on both sides.
Speaker 7: I don't fault anyone.
Speaker 8: I just feel like the US Attorney's Office at the time,
Speaker 8: they didn't have the I want to say, the right
Speaker 8: guidance we were given, you know, certain benefits. I feel
Speaker 8: that today those things that we were promised that obviously
Speaker 8: they're frowned upon. But at the same time, you can't
Speaker 8: punish our family because that's something that somebody that was
Speaker 8: a representative of the government, you know, which is Thomas Shaikshaft,
Speaker 8: he actually promised us these certain things when it comes
Speaker 8: to immunity or when it comes to us being able
Speaker 8: to keep a portion of the money. So if we
Speaker 8: were given these promises and we were led to believe
Speaker 8: that this was going to be embedded in.
Speaker 2: Their cooperation, then how.
Speaker 8: Is it when you fast forward ten years they're able
Speaker 8: to charge us on the things that we were supposed
Speaker 8: to be promised and we were given. On March twenty fourth,
Speaker 8: twenty eleven, the day I proffered, I spoke to Thomas Shakeshaft,
Speaker 8: which is a US attorney that was in charge. He
Speaker 8: basically told me not to worry. I'm not going to
Speaker 8: be charged. I took that as reassurance that they would
Speaker 8: never prosecute me. At my proper meeting was Thomas Shakeshaft,
Speaker 8: Michael Ferrara, and DEA agents that were involved in the case.
Speaker 8: Thomas Shakeshaft he told Jay and Peter at a profit
Speaker 8: session that he didn't want to wipe them out of
Speaker 8: their money. So these things are being said to our husbands,
Speaker 8: these things are being said to us. These things are
Speaker 8: not you know, they're not seizing certain things even though
Speaker 8: I'm saying that we paid for all of this stuff
Speaker 8: with drug proceeds from our husband's business. It's like they're
Speaker 8: allowing us to keep them, and so I don't understand
Speaker 8: how you can turn around and a decade later come
Speaker 8: back and then charge us.
Speaker 3: The wives filed emotion to dismiss their charges in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two, claiming that the twins deal provided them with
Speaker 3: immunity from charges related to the twins' crimes. The wives
Speaker 3: argued that the government allowed them to keep the money,
Speaker 3: and that's in a profit session with US Assistant Attorney
Speaker 3: Thomas Shakeshaft, all had tried to make the government aware
Speaker 3: there was extra money out there, but they didn't want
Speaker 3: to hear about it. All they were focused on was
Speaker 3: getting El Chapo behind bars. A pre trial hearing was
Speaker 3: held for Judge Matthew Kennelly to examine the evidence. The
Speaker 3: wives had planned to have US Assistant Attorney Thomas Shakeshaft testify,
Speaker 3: but one week before the hearing, on July the nineteenth,
Speaker 3: shake Shaft died from chronic health problems and alcoholism. His
Speaker 3: alcoholism was blamed in part on the stress of the
Speaker 3: Flora's case. Michael Ferrara was called by the government to
Speaker 3: be a witness. Here's what he had to say to
Speaker 3: us about the alleged immunity deal.
Speaker 9: The way that it was presented in that defense is
Speaker 9: effectively that they were immunized forever more that they could
Speaker 9: do whatever they wanted in the future, which I don't
Speaker 9: know if that's a thing period in law enforcement, but
Speaker 9: it certainly wasn't here. And immunity like that can only
Speaker 9: come in writing, and it can only come from.
Speaker 6: The US attorney. And I'm positive that no.
Speaker 9: Immunity was issued by any US attorney in Chicago. The
Speaker 9: wives were entitled to take, i mean, just blatant drug
Speaker 9: proceeds and do whatever they want with them. The other
Speaker 9: comment I can make is that the whole thing is
Speaker 9: very unnecessary and unfortunate for their families. And I truly
Speaker 9: do believe that Pete and Jay cooperated to give their
Speaker 9: families a better life, and they had the opportunity to
Speaker 9: do that, and so to allow sort of like material
Speaker 9: things like spending money private schools, going on trips, the
Speaker 9: kind of things that they appear to have spent their
Speaker 9: money on, all of that is just stupid in my opinion.
Speaker 9: I mean, to risk your freedom risk the safety of
Speaker 9: your families over things like that. It's just sad. It's
Speaker 9: a sad thing for their families. It's just a really
Speaker 9: unfortunate thing that those kids were deprived of being around
Speaker 9: their dads for so long and now for how way
Speaker 9: long they're going to be deprived of being around their
Speaker 9: mothers in a meaningful way, all for something that was
Speaker 9: one hundred percent avoidable if they just would have, you know,
Speaker 9: sort of.
Speaker 6: Kept their heads down, drove a used minivan and those
Speaker 6: kind of things.
Speaker 9: The flip site to that, though, is I mean, in
Speaker 9: comparison to again, like two tons a month of cocaine
Speaker 9: coming into Chicago and Chapola being prosecuted and all that,
Speaker 9: you're talking about a much smaller sum of money. And
Speaker 9: whether it's it sent the right message to use government
Speaker 9: resources like that to go after people who cooperated in
Speaker 9: a way that that did a lot of did a
Speaker 9: lot of good and had a lot of benefit to
Speaker 9: DJ So I think reasonable minds could differ on that
Speaker 9: and whether it sends a strong enough message of what
Speaker 9: should happen that that it's worth the potential downside.
Speaker 3: To the wives and their lawyers. It was the government
Speaker 3: that broke its promise to the Florest family from the
Speaker 3: very beginning the Twins corporation and Pete's eventual testimony in
Speaker 3: court against Alchapo was done with the understanding that the
Speaker 3: rest of the family will be kept out of it.
Speaker 3: When questioned during the El Chapo trial, Pete testified that
Speaker 3: his wife Viv had been given immunity as part of
Speaker 3: his corporation deal. The point was made by Valenvi's defense
Speaker 3: team that Pete spent eighteen months being prepped by the
Speaker 3: government to take the stand against Alchapo, and at no point,
Speaker 3: including under oath in court, was there ever any challenge
Speaker 3: to the notion that the wives had immunity. The wives
Speaker 3: argue that the government knew that there was money they
Speaker 3: were using to live off, and that it was used
Speaker 3: to pay for their kids' education and their own living expenses.
Speaker 3: A single mother, they had to move their families across
Speaker 3: the country every time J and P were transferred. Viv
Speaker 3: had to move sixteen times due to viable threats on
Speaker 3: her life. The motion to dismiss the chargers was denied.
Speaker 3: They each had a choice to take their case to trial,
Speaker 3: but they were advised that the negative public perception would
Speaker 3: make a trial difficult. Instead, they each pled guilty to
Speaker 3: money laundering conspiracy. Viv was sentenced to three and a
Speaker 3: half years in prison and ordered to pay five hundred
Speaker 3: and four thousand, eight hundred and fifty eight dollars in forfeitshire.
Speaker 3: She went to prison on the nineteenth of October twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three.
Speaker 11: It's definitely scary because I mean, unusually, I mean, Peter
Speaker 11: is a very you know, his presence is like the
Speaker 11: rock of our family. I felt like I took his
Speaker 11: face when he had to leave, you know, I took
Speaker 11: over and I had to do I had to be
Speaker 11: mom and dad everything.
Speaker 2: This is what kills me.
Speaker 7: I think that it's you know, it's really really, definitely hard.
Speaker 7: I wasn't built for this, definitely wasn't built for this.
Speaker 12: But a strong woman, and by far I know I am.
Speaker 7: I think that my kids would definitely be very This
Speaker 7: is a scar that probably would never ever, ever would
Speaker 7: be able to repair.
Speaker 12: We sit here and you know, you know, we've been
Speaker 12: here with you, Charlie for so many days, and you know,
Speaker 12: we talk about the kids and how we wanted to
Speaker 12: change their lights, and I feel like we're right back.
Speaker 7: We're right back exactly where we never wanted to be.
Speaker 3: Vaal received the same sentence as Viv three and a
Speaker 3: half years in prison, plus a five hundred and four thousand,
Speaker 3: eight hundred and fifty eight dollars forfeiture. She goes to
Speaker 3: prison on January tenth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8: I felt like I was being targeted. I felt like
Speaker 8: they wanted to make an example of me, which is hurtful.
Speaker 8: But after understanding, you know, the government, the prosecutors that
Speaker 8: are in charge today of the case, I feel like
Speaker 8: they're only doing their job. And I know that if
Speaker 8: they were, you know, the prosecutors back then when my
Speaker 8: husband was cooperating, I feel like things would have been
Speaker 8: a lot different. I did actually testify at my hearing,
Speaker 8: and I did take accountability for money laundering. However, I
Speaker 8: did believe that I had immunity. Whether the government agrees
Speaker 8: with that or not or just going to agree to disagree,
Speaker 8: but unfortunately I'm going to have to go to prison.
Speaker 7: Think that I'm fighting with that, I'm struggling with, you know.
Speaker 8: In court, I apologize to my children, you know, for
Speaker 8: the pain I caused, and I just regret putting them
Speaker 8: through this again. But I feel really blessed with the
Speaker 8: time that I did get because I got three and
Speaker 8: a half years, and I feel like that was a
Speaker 8: blessing for me. Especially this is my second time going
Speaker 8: away for money laundering, so I think that I'm very
Speaker 8: fortunate because it could have went a lot different, that's
Speaker 8: for sure.
Speaker 3: You might remember back in season one that val has
Speaker 3: been to prison before. As a teenager, she fell in
Speaker 3: with the wrong crowd and was used as a drug mule.
Speaker 3: Before Jay, she was married to notorious Latin King's boss
Speaker 3: Rudy Cato Rankel, also known as King Kato. Before Cato,
Speaker 3: she was married at twenty one for a short time
Speaker 3: to Valentine Rivella's, who was working for the Juarez cartel.
Speaker 3: While she was married to Rivella's, she became caught up
Speaker 3: in his business dealings.
Speaker 8: Back in two thousand, in my prior marriage, I was
Speaker 8: married to a drug dealer and he got indicted for
Speaker 8: a drug conspiracy. I deposited money in the bank for
Speaker 8: him in my accounts and that's what got me into
Speaker 8: trouble and he ended up cooperating against me and I
Speaker 8: went to prison for it. I received the ten months
Speaker 8: but sentence where I was in prison for five months
Speaker 8: and the other five months I was on house arrest.
Speaker 8: There's consequences to everything that we do. And sometimes when
Speaker 8: you're in love with someone, or sometimes when you're in
Speaker 8: a relationship, you don't think about certain things. You put
Speaker 8: yourself second and you don't realize how this can affect you.
Speaker 2: And I just hope that, like, by.
Speaker 8: Sharing my story, you know, I just want to bring
Speaker 8: awareness to like other women that have like walked in
Speaker 8: my shoes and that have that are going through this
Speaker 8: and sometimes you're living that life and it's like a
Speaker 8: really fast lifestyle, right and you don't realize the consequences
Speaker 8: that comes with this life. I'm hoping that other women
Speaker 8: can make better choices than I did. I mean, it
Speaker 8: could be anything taken a small gift from someone, or
Speaker 8: just trying to be loyal to the person that you're with,
Speaker 8: whether it's your husband or your boyfriend, and just trying to,
Speaker 8: you know, get through life. It's like you don't realize
Speaker 8: that these choices that you make it can affect you
Speaker 8: and they can definitely change your life. And I'm hoping
Speaker 8: that other women can see my story and they can
Speaker 8: maybe think twice about it and not put themselves in
Speaker 8: that position. Every choice you make, it has a consequence.
Speaker 7: For sure.
Speaker 8: I went through a lot of trauma, and you know,
Speaker 8: I talk about abusive relationships all the time, and I
Speaker 8: think that it definitely affected my thought process and the
Speaker 8: things that I've done. But I honestly thought that it'd
Speaker 8: be different when I met Day. I felt like, you know,
Speaker 8: Jay was totally different from any person I have ever
Speaker 8: been with, and so I saw the good in him
Speaker 8: and I really thought that I could change him. And
Speaker 8: I was happy that the judge acknowledged that in court,
Speaker 8: and he did say that I know that it was
Speaker 8: because if you convinced your husband to change his life,
Speaker 8: and I think with that type of validation, I felt like,
Speaker 8: you know what this is for something, And I feel
Speaker 8: like our lives could have turned out a lot different.
Speaker 7: Than what it is today.
Speaker 8: And I feel like if Jay didn't make the choice
Speaker 8: that he made to change his life, he probably wouldn't
Speaker 8: be here today, and for me and my children, they
Speaker 8: probably would have wiped out our whole family.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about and how you're going to
Speaker 3: cope with prison? Is there anything you've thought about and
Speaker 3: has it come up in your head about your own safety.
Speaker 8: In court, you know, there's a Mexican lady in there.
Speaker 8: She was sitting in the back row and I could
Speaker 8: just feel her eyes burning through me. And when I
Speaker 8: was walking out, she just looked at me and smartd
Speaker 8: and I was walking out of the building, out of
Speaker 8: the courthouse. She was recording me and taking pictures of me.
Speaker 8: And it's scary because at the end of the day,
Speaker 8: there are people looking for us, and these are things
Speaker 8: that we have to continue to live with.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just doesn't feel good at all.
Speaker 8: It is scary. You know, I've been to prison before,
Speaker 8: so I know what it feels like. More so of
Speaker 8: just the fact of being alone. And I think that's
Speaker 8: what scares me, you know, just you know, it's it's
Speaker 8: really hard to just you know, to your time alone.
Speaker 8: And I think that's the hart that scares me the most.
Speaker 3: Vows with Jay as I was speaking to her after
Speaker 3: a sentencing and I asked Jay, well, seeing his wife
Speaker 3: go through something that was ultimately caused by him, felt like.
Speaker 5: You can't even put what we're feeling against into words.
Speaker 5: And to see her struggle like like she don't have
Speaker 5: to say it to me because I am I.
Speaker 2: Understand my kids would have to lose their mom for
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 5: And that's hard, you know, like being the person that
Speaker 5: I am, no matter what, I'm always gonna call myself
Speaker 5: responsible because I, you know, made a vow to protect
Speaker 5: her and keep her my children safe, and I fail.
Speaker 5: And this is all consequences of.
Speaker 2: Me not being there for her or not being there
Speaker 2: for my children.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be hard to come, you know, to day
Speaker 5: she has to turn herself in and she would never
Speaker 5: be alone. I could promise her that she was always
Speaker 5: there for me, and I even felt, you know, I
Speaker 5: felt bad that couldn't be with her her sentencing, that
Speaker 5: couldn't hold her hand and just And it's gonna be
Speaker 5: like that as well.
Speaker 2: Because of her being in prison.
Speaker 5: I am one hundred percent sure that they're not gonna
Speaker 5: allow me to visit her for safety reasons. The BP
Speaker 5: would never allow me to step foot in their facility.
Speaker 5: So you know, that's another hard trip that we're gonna
Speaker 5: have to face. The punishment and its own, it's one thing,
Speaker 5: but the pain that we're actually gonna feel from that punishment,
Speaker 5: it's totally on a different level.
Speaker 2: It's hard to cope with right. But moving forward, I
Speaker 2: have faith in my wife and us and our family
Speaker 2: that we're going to get through this and we're going
Speaker 2: to be together again and continue on what we just
Speaker 2: started to do was to try to live, you know,
Speaker 2: a normal life as a family again. It's going to
Speaker 2: be put on pause for a little bit, and I
Speaker 2: just have I'm going to have a lot of work
Speaker 2: to do. I have to measure up to all of
Speaker 2: who val is, and that's the scary part to me.
Speaker 2: For sure, that could be a lot of things, but
Speaker 2: I could never fill her shoes.
Speaker 8: If I wasn't with Ja, I probably wouldn't be going
Speaker 8: through this today. For sure, my life would be a
Speaker 8: lot different. But at the end of the day, I
Speaker 8: don't regret it. I love my husband, I love my children,
Speaker 8: I love my family, and I feel like I'll be okay.
Speaker 8: There's a light at the end of the tunnel. I
Speaker 8: truly believe that this is the last obstacle, and I
Speaker 8: really know that once this is over, we can finally
Speaker 8: have a fresh start at life.
Speaker 3: Valenviev will be released from prison in early twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3: At the same time that Valenviev were being sentenced for
Speaker 3: charges related to the spending of drug proceeds. El Chapo's wife,
Speaker 3: Emma Coronel Aspuro, was released from prison. She pled guilty
Speaker 3: to the distribution of cocaine, heroine, and over a thousand
Speaker 3: kilograms of marijuana, as well as laundering narcotics proceeds and
Speaker 3: assisting her husband El Chapo in his drug business. At
Speaker 3: her sentencing, the fact that she facilitated El Chapo's escape
Speaker 3: from prison in Mexico was also brought up. She was
Speaker 3: sentenced to just three years in prison and was released
Speaker 3: after twenty one months and two weeks, a little under
Speaker 3: two years. As Valenviev were getting ready to go to prison,
Speaker 3: Emma was parting it up in Los Angeles. Valenviev's case
Speaker 3: brought up questions about what this means for future cooperators
Speaker 3: and the message it sends when cooperation is often based
Speaker 3: on trust between the cooperator and the government. I asked
Speaker 3: Michael Ferrara how important cooperators are when it comes to
Speaker 3: prosecuting a case.
Speaker 9: It is the single most important thing it is to
Speaker 9: be able to develop cooperators once a case reaches a
Speaker 9: certain level of complexity, and certainly when you're talking about
Speaker 9: like an international criminal organization as large as the sin
Speaker 9: of Little Cortel and all of the various things that
Speaker 9: feed the Cortel and help it to exist, the corruption,
Speaker 9: all of that. You can put a case together without
Speaker 9: sort of like an insider point of view.
Speaker 6: I mean, you need a tour.
Speaker 9: Guide to say, like, this is how this worked, and
Speaker 9: this is who this guy was, and this is how
Speaker 9: we did this thing. So without that, those kind of
Speaker 9: massive cases just realistically don't come together. When the Twins surrendered,
Speaker 9: I mean, they were certainly the largest drug traffickers in
Speaker 9: Chicago history, which is saying something, and at the time
Speaker 9: they surrendered, they were probably the largest in the United States.
Speaker 9: They were at the tippy top of the drug world,
Speaker 9: but they were largely insulated from like the violence and
Speaker 9: a lot of the things that come along with that.
Speaker 9: And I think at that time, like around two thousand
Speaker 9: and eight, Mexico was just exploding with narco violence. They
Speaker 9: were smart enough to realize that they were at the
Speaker 9: level where they either needed to become Chopo and everything
Speaker 9: that comes along with that, or turn against Chopo and
Speaker 9: try to basically.
Speaker 6: Hit to reset.
Speaker 9: And what they did was extraordinarily uncommon. They were at
Speaker 9: the top of the drug world. It is ultra rare
Speaker 9: where somebody in that position decides to hang.
Speaker 6: It up before they're caught.
Speaker 9: That facilitated their cooperation in a way that was really unique.
Speaker 6: The twins were winning.
Speaker 9: They were under no suspicion from the cartel, or their
Speaker 9: customers or any of these other components of the drug
Speaker 9: trafficking and money laundering conspiracies in which they operated that
Speaker 9: they were cooperating, So that enabled them to do all
Speaker 9: kinds of things that the otherwise would not have been
Speaker 9: able to do, or resulted in a lot more people
Speaker 9: being prosecuted and much more robust prosecutions that were it's
Speaker 9: always trial proof because you had those recordings, you had
Speaker 9: the life seizures, you had undercover officers being inserted to
Speaker 9: a mix, all those kinds of things. The flip side
Speaker 9: to that is because their cooperation was so long and ongoing,
Speaker 9: they were put under a microscope like few cooperators are,
Speaker 9: and so the US government certainly knew more about them
Speaker 9: than your average cooperator. I mean, in some ways you
Speaker 9: could say that they're penalized for their truthfulness, but I
Speaker 9: don't know that that's fair because again, you sort of
Speaker 9: have to go back to that all or nothing proposition,
Speaker 9: and so even if you look at it as what
Speaker 9: it was, a fourteen year sentence, had they not cooperated
Speaker 9: and had they been arrested, they absolutely would have died
Speaker 9: in prison.
Speaker 3: J and P cooperated to give their family a chance
Speaker 3: at a better life, but taken down the world's most
Speaker 3: neworious drug Blood was bigger than just the Flores family.
Speaker 3: I wondered what impact the twins' decision had on the
Speaker 3: drug epidemic, and with actually catching El Chapo made a difference.
Speaker 9: The macro level effect on drug trafficking, it's hard to
Speaker 9: claim it was positive at all. A drug trafficking still
Speaker 9: exists the United States.
Speaker 6: Problems are just as bad, if not worse, today than
Speaker 6: they were at any.
Speaker 9: Of the times when when Choppo was caught or convicted,
Speaker 9: or any of those those road markers. The cartel is
Speaker 9: cartel's plural. It's kingpins like Chopo are taken taken out,
Speaker 9: like the cartels, tend to fracture and splinter, and the
Speaker 9: unfortunate trend has been like the most violent people, the
Speaker 9: people who are the most ruthless, the most willing to
Speaker 9: use violence to sort of enforce their business ways, risen
Speaker 9: to the top of these now splintered organizations.
Speaker 6: They don't get.
Speaker 9: Along, they fight each other, and so that is ramping
Speaker 9: up the bolent side in Mexico. And then on the
Speaker 9: supply side, I mean, again, things are as bad as
Speaker 9: they they've ever been, with much more potent, much more
Speaker 9: dangerous drugs. On your question, like, what did removing Choppo
Speaker 9: do If you look at it through that lens, like,
Speaker 9: there's no positive, but I don't think that's a fair
Speaker 9: way to look at it at all.
Speaker 6: You also just have to.
Speaker 9: Look at who Chopel was as a person, and he
Speaker 9: is one of the most prolific criminals in history. I mean,
Speaker 9: he is singularly responsible for thousands and thousands of deaths,
Speaker 9: whether they be drug related deaths, whether they be deaths
Speaker 9: by violence, all political corruption where the tentacles extend.
Speaker 6: All over the world.
Speaker 9: He was just a completely terrible person to leave out
Speaker 9: there in the world, and so removing him and the
Speaker 9: leadership structure that was around him that the twins were
Speaker 9: central to all of that, Like, if you look at
Speaker 9: it through that lens, it was historic, an immensely beneficial
Speaker 9: good thing that happened.
Speaker 6: But again it's just a balance. Did chopel and drugs. No,
Speaker 6: of course not.
Speaker 9: But to taking him out did that remove a great
Speaker 9: threat to everything from Mexican security to U S security,
Speaker 9: to just having an infrastructure in place that was exceptionally
Speaker 9: good at moving drugs, nor of pulling money and guns
Speaker 9: south with all of those things. That, yes, it was
Speaker 9: a positive to take him out of commission. The Twins,
Speaker 9: they were supplying so much of the drug market, and
Speaker 9: in particular the cocaine market in Chicago in the country
Speaker 9: that when they left, I mean, there was certainly a
Speaker 9: temporary drop in drug levels.
Speaker 6: So I mean, at their peak they were importing.
Speaker 9: About two tons a month of cocaine into the United States,
Speaker 9: about a full ton of that state in Chicago and
Speaker 9: was distributed in the Chicago area, which is just a
Speaker 9: staggering amount. And then the other time went all over
Speaker 9: the place. It fed New York, DC, places on the
Speaker 9: East coast. And so when that switch went from on
Speaker 9: off suddenly and the Twins weren't pushing that product into
Speaker 9: the United States, that only made levels drop and made
Speaker 9: things more expensive. All of that, and in the process
Speaker 9: of their cooperation, they took out people who were massive
Speaker 9: drug traffickers in their own right, so all of them
Speaker 9: left in a comparatively short period of time. It's getting
Speaker 9: people who were very bad for society out of the mix.
Speaker 9: And for a short period of time, it did make
Speaker 9: cocaine in particular.
Speaker 6: Harder to get.
Speaker 9: But wherever there's that void, it's going to get very
Speaker 9: very quickly filled, and it did.
Speaker 6: Cocaine levels rebounded, And right around.
Speaker 9: That time is when the cartel started moving into the
Speaker 9: opioid markets, and Chopo and people like Chopo recognized that
Speaker 9: their profit margins were dramatically, dramatically higher with opioids period
Speaker 9: because they could grow poppies in Mexico, and then with
Speaker 9: synthetic opiods in particular, once they started to fully understand
Speaker 9: the benefits of fentanyl, how cheaply it can be manufactured,
Speaker 9: pope and it is where if you get one kilo
Speaker 9: of fentol to the United States, it's the same as
Speaker 9: getting fifty kilo as a heroine.
Speaker 6: And so I mean that that's just a horrific.
Speaker 9: Formula for more drugs and more dangerous drugs getting pushed
Speaker 9: out on the street if you look at it holistically,
Speaker 9: like problems are worse after the Twins cooperation than they
Speaker 9: were before the Twins cooperation, which is a depressing thing
Speaker 9: to say about, but.
Speaker 6: I think it's it's a very true thing to say.
Speaker 3: Despite the work to stop it, the drug tray continues
Speaker 3: to grow. The removal of Al Chapo didn't end the
Speaker 3: Sinila cartel. His four sons, together known as Lost Japzzas,
Speaker 3: took over the cartel in his place. They are known
Speaker 3: as being richer, more powerful, and more violent than Al
Speaker 3: Chapo ever was Lost Japzos used corkscrews, electrocution, and hot
Speaker 3: chilis to torture their rivals and feed people to tiger.
Speaker 3: In January of this year, twenty twenty three, one of
Speaker 3: El Chapo's sons, Olivido Guzman Lopez, the logistics manager for
Speaker 3: the cartel, was arrested in a bloody operation resulting in
Speaker 3: twenty nine deaths. In September, Olivido was extradited to the US.
Speaker 3: The other three sons continue to run the cartel. One
Speaker 3: of them, Ivan Arcovaldo, is now on the DEA's most
Speaker 3: wanted list with a ten million dollar bounty on his head,
Speaker 3: a higher bounty than his father, El Chapo ever had.
Speaker 3: As for El Chapo, he's still trying to appeal his sentence.
Speaker 3: Over the past three years, I've gotten to know the
Speaker 3: Flores family really well. In sharing their story, they opened
Speaker 3: up about things they've never spoken about before. Fifteen years ago,
Speaker 3: that one decision to turn themselves in sets off a
Speaker 3: domino effect that led to where they are today. I
Speaker 3: couldn't help but wonder if Jay still felt it was
Speaker 3: all worth it. How do you feel about that decision
Speaker 3: you made all those years ago now to turn yourself in.
Speaker 5: I don't live with regrets tortally. I trust in God
Speaker 5: that he had led us to this point. I believe
Speaker 5: that everything that's good that came out of my decision
Speaker 5: was from Him. And I feel like everything that hasn't
Speaker 5: been good has been because of our personal mistakes. And
Speaker 5: I would never want to change work. You know, the
Speaker 5: positive outcome that that He has blessed us with. We're
Speaker 5: far removed from that life except for our legal issues.
Speaker 5: You know, I've been home almost three years. It's been
Speaker 5: fifteen years since we made that decision and we decided
Speaker 5: to turn our life around, and fifteen years that I
Speaker 5: got to be a husband and father, even though I
Speaker 5: was away from my wife and children for twelve years.
Speaker 5: I still got to see my children grow and become
Speaker 5: these amazing young men and young women, and I get
Speaker 5: to still be a father to my children. I feel
Speaker 5: like even though it was from Afar, I still was
Speaker 5: able to feel that, And there's nothing more important to
Speaker 5: me than that.
Speaker 2: I feel like that it's a blessing in itself.
Speaker 5: That would never second guess or never want to change.
Speaker 5: I still have my wife life, I still have my family,
Speaker 5: and it was what I did it for the first place.
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to, you know, all the amazing opportunities
Speaker 5: that are away for us in the future, and I
Speaker 5: know we're going to get through this. I feel like
Speaker 5: we have to take the good with the bad and
Speaker 5: the bad with the good, and I honestly feel there's
Speaker 5: a lot more good us sharing our personal lives review
Speaker 5: with the world. It's about our suffering. It's about all
Speaker 5: these small decisions just snowball.
Speaker 2: Into a whole lot of suffering.
Speaker 5: For so many lives, for so many of our family members,
Speaker 5: for our children, for us, And it continues, and it's
Speaker 5: a fight to just want to make things right. And
Speaker 5: I know that there's not many people who have walked
Speaker 5: in those shoes as me and my brother who has
Speaker 5: made it that far up into the you know, cartel
Speaker 5: life or drug trafficking life. And there's a reason why
Speaker 5: my brother and I decided to change our lives along.
Speaker 2: With our family, with our wives.
Speaker 5: You know, we want to change our lives because it's
Speaker 5: we would never choose anything else but our family. And
Speaker 5: I just have this burning desire to not let this go,
Speaker 5: not let you know, all my children suffering, my wife's suffering,
Speaker 5: for it to be for nothing. I feel like we
Speaker 5: were meant to be here, We were meant to come
Speaker 5: this far, and I feel like it was to share
Speaker 5: into our testimony to our past life and hopefully inspire
Speaker 5: someone not just in drug trafficking, to say, hey, you
Speaker 5: know what, I was on the opposite end of something
Speaker 5: really bad, and through support through my family, I had
Speaker 5: to endure some sacrifice. It was suffering, but after that
Speaker 5: suffering because of choices I made, that was able to
Speaker 5: turn that into something positive, something that could bring hope
Speaker 5: to other people, right, something that could make my first
Speaker 5: so that my children could go back and say, hey,
Speaker 5: you know what, I spent all these years without my father,
Speaker 5: without my mom, but you know what, it came for
Speaker 5: a good cause because my dad was able to change
Speaker 5: his life for wrong and he had an impact on
Speaker 5: his war on drugs. He had an impact on something
Speaker 5: that he helped create, and that's important to me. I
Speaker 5: have the potential that potentially right changed the way the
Speaker 5: war on drugs has been attacked or dealt with for
Speaker 5: the last fifty years.
Speaker 3: Jay is now working with Dynamic Police Training to educate
Speaker 3: law enforcements on the intricacies of the drug world. He
Speaker 3: runs a course called From Kingpin to Educator.
Speaker 5: I did my first conference, my first law enforcement conference.
Speaker 5: I was a guest speaker for four hundred and fifty
Speaker 5: officers in August and the state, federal law enforcement, and
Speaker 5: some local law enforcement. And by chance, I was speaking
Speaker 5: to these law enforcement officers and I got pulled to
Speaker 5: the site by for d EA officers that were part
Speaker 5: of the swat team that rated my home when they
Speaker 5: came to arrest Vow. And that is a moment where
Speaker 5: it's like wow, Like they were in my house not
Speaker 5: so long ago and they came arrested my wife. But yeah,
Speaker 5: here I am working with them, right, And I guess
Speaker 5: it's just another.
Speaker 2: Just unbelievable marketing our.
Speaker 5: Story that it's hard to you know, it's probably hard
Speaker 5: for people to believe or hard for.
Speaker 2: People to understand. And it's been like that for a
Speaker 2: lot of my life.
Speaker 5: And I'm just thankful and grateful for the opportunity that
Speaker 5: I will be able to do that moving forward.
Speaker 2: And it does make me. It makes me feel good.
Speaker 5: I feel like I'm finally doing something positive, especially with
Speaker 5: something that filled me and has brought so much hardship
Speaker 5: and heartache. And now here I am, you know, in
Speaker 5: a room for the law enforcement who are eager to
Speaker 5: listen to me, eager to learn. And it's talk about
Speaker 5: coming full circle, right, like, you know, I started on
Speaker 5: one end, and now here I am, you know, working
Speaker 5: with law enforcement you know, across the country, around the world,
Speaker 5: sharing I guess all my suffering, right, you know, and
Speaker 5: everything I've learned since I was seven years old in
Speaker 5: joy trafficking. It's kind of weird because people are like, wow, yes,
Speaker 5: you're helping the same people that are imprisoning in your family, right,
Speaker 5: But no, I don't look at it that way, not
Speaker 5: at all. I understand the system more than anyone in.
Speaker 2: I don't have carrying out alice.
Speaker 3: All the classes and conferences something that you're going to
Speaker 3: do moving forward.
Speaker 2: Now, yes, it's my plan. I'm moving forward. I'm doing
Speaker 2: conferences and classes.
Speaker 5: I have sixteen set dates already and I will continue
Speaker 5: working on those classes as much as I'm able to
Speaker 5: get booked right and as longest law enforcement officers you
Speaker 5: know here around the country, around the world are open
Speaker 5: to hear me that I'm.
Speaker 6: Going to be there.
Speaker 5: I always say that, well for my brother, and there's
Speaker 5: not anyone out there that could that has the knowledge
Speaker 5: and expertise that we have. And I said this, you know,
Speaker 5: to law enforcement, like I was not made in Mexico.
Speaker 2: I was born in Chicago, made in America.
Speaker 5: And if I could share this with law enforcement, share
Speaker 5: all the knowledge and the expertise that I think I have,
Speaker 5: and hopefully they could take that and use it a
Speaker 5: positive way, I think to me, that's like, that's the
Speaker 5: biggest reward.
Speaker 2: I'm one of those persons I believe that anything's possible,
Speaker 2: especially you look.
Speaker 5: At my life and where I came from and where
Speaker 5: I ended up at and you know our family struggles
Speaker 5: and to have the opportunity that I that I have
Speaker 5: it it wasn't given to me. Charlie.
Speaker 2: I had to create it. I had to push for it.
Speaker 5: I had to fight for it, and I'll continue to
Speaker 5: fight for what I believe in. And I think that
Speaker 5: we all have it in us, and we just got
Speaker 5: to look for their strength and courage to go through
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 3: Alongside the classes, Jay is looking for more steady work.
Speaker 3: He's been working on a resume that he showed me,
Speaker 3: and it's hopeful that someone will take a chance on him.
Speaker 3: Jay's dedicated to turning his life around and writing a
Speaker 3: new legacy for the Flora's name. But it's not always
Speaker 3: that easy when you have a criminal record like Jade's
Speaker 3: that follows you through life. Half of the seventy eight
Speaker 3: million Americans with the criminal record have difficulty finding a
Speaker 3: job and making a living. Nearly a third of federal
Speaker 3: inmates don't find work at all after they're released. Will
Speaker 3: someone like Jay or anyone with a criminal record get
Speaker 3: a second chance?
Speaker 6: Can you read this?
Speaker 2: Can I read it?
Speaker 6: Ye're sure you read it?
Speaker 2: It's an email there, Okay.
Speaker 3: I recently came across something unusual, a tweet from Elon
Speaker 3: Musk that spoke to me drug dealers know more about
Speaker 3: running a business than ninety five percent of college professors.
Speaker 3: So here I am today taking a leap of faith
Speaker 3: and sending you my resume. I worked on it with
Speaker 3: intentions of sending it to a like minded business person
Speaker 3: like yourself. My goal is to utilize the business skills
Speaker 3: I've acquired in the drug trade and apply these street
Speaker 3: smarts toward doing something positive in the corporate world. Although
Speaker 3: I chose the wrong path in life, it's helped me
Speaker 3: shape me into the businessman I am today. I am
Speaker 3: a senior operations executive and internationologistic specialist. My twin brother
Speaker 3: and I built a two billion dollar drug trafficking enterprise
Speaker 3: nothing We encountered far more obstacles than our average corporation,
Speaker 3: but with determination and strong will, I pushed through day
Speaker 3: to day challenges. By focusing on innovative solutions, I acquired
Speaker 3: the skills needed to do a thorough risk assessment and
Speaker 3: quickly mitigate any potential losses. Because in our business there
Speaker 3: was less.
Speaker 2: Room for error. Can I carry on?
Speaker 3: With twenty plus years of extensive experience, I gained the
Speaker 3: entrepreneurial skills necessary to successfully develop, structure, managed, nurture, innovate,
Speaker 3: and grow any business. Despite being driven and having a
Speaker 3: fierce hunger for success. I am relatable, willing to learn,
Speaker 3: adapt easily, and have the interpersonal skills needed for team
Speaker 3: building and customer relations.
Speaker 7: In any industry.
Speaker 3: Although I was born into the world of drug trafficking,
Speaker 3: at the height of my career, I decided to denounce
Speaker 3: that life and take a road less traveled. At the
Speaker 3: young age of twenty.
Speaker 13: Six, my brother and I gave it all up, voluntarily
Speaker 13: turned ourselves into the authorities, dismantled our organization, and soved
Speaker 13: a fourteen year prison sent since I had a federal
Speaker 13: correctional institution in a special WITSEC unit.
Speaker 3: Today, I live under a new identity and I'm a
Speaker 3: firm believer in redemption and second chances. I know I'm
Speaker 3: here for a reason and have a bigger purpose in
Speaker 3: life to fulfilm.
Speaker 2: I'm in the.
Speaker 3: Process of rewriting my story and with your help, I
Speaker 3: hope to remove stigmas and leave a positive imprint in
Speaker 3: this world. That's the end of our time with the
Speaker 3: Flores family. Thank you for coming on this journey with us,
Speaker 3: and a big thank you to the Flores's family for
Speaker 3: sharing their story.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for the Flores Twins doctor series and scripture series.
Speaker 3: Commons Surviving l Chapo, The Twins Who Brought Down a
Speaker 3: Drug Lord. Season two is hosted by Curtis fifty Cent
Speaker 3: Jackson and me Charlie Webster, produced by myself and Jackson McLennan,
Speaker 3: Assistant producer and research support by Katy Hurtz, Edit and
Speaker 3: sound design by Nico Polella, Theme music and original score
Speaker 3: by Ryan Sorenson. It's executive produced by Curtis fifty cent
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