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Speaker 1: This is the almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: It's vacination Joan Bassos and Rachel Rikia jumping in to

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Speaker 2: take over for the almost Famous podcast. We just got

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Speaker 2: back from the Golden Bauchler finalion after the Final Rose taping,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to talk all about it. So consider

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Speaker 2: this your spoiler alert if you haven't watched the finale yet,

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Speaker 2: because we are about to cover it all. Okay, Rachel,

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Speaker 2: we have so much to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: So me and Joan drove together on the way here

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Speaker 3: and I was like, Okay, let's just like make sure

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Speaker 3: we're on the same page. Joan has so many good points,

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Speaker 3: and I was so excited for everyone to hear her

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Speaker 3: point of view because I think you have such a

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Speaker 3: unique perspective being the only Golden Bachelorette, and in my opinion, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Ever well, well we don't know about that. We don't know,

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Speaker 2: but no, but I feel like we have a lot

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Speaker 2: of the same opinions. You've been through this journey also,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think it's all that different coming from

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Speaker 2: the different age. So what I really want to talk about,

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Speaker 2: like how this story out as a cliffhanger, so we

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Speaker 2: have all now waited a week to find out what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen with Cindy and Cindy. I feel like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: first of all, let's let's guess, did you who did

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Speaker 2: you think was going to win?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: I feel like the way they made it seem we

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Speaker 3: would think that it's Cindy because she is, like you

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Speaker 3: said so many times on the way here, she's so

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Speaker 3: emotionally available, and I think we get Sidney's inner monologue

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Speaker 3: of how she's truly feeling, and I think it could

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Speaker 3: have been pegged all along, but maybe we just didn't

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Speaker 3: know because she hasn't been so upfront with her emotions.

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Speaker 2: But then neither has he, So maybe like like, could

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Speaker 2: that ever work? If neither one have seen how they feel?

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Speaker 2: Could that early ever work? So I feel like you

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Speaker 2: that Cindy was going to be the winner, because you

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Speaker 2: can't have two emotionally unavailable people actually coming together. It

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Speaker 2: just seems like so unlikely that it wouldn't work. But

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Speaker 2: I did feel like he was starting to give her

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Speaker 2: what she needed. I think the cliffhanger ended with her

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Speaker 2: saying this begs the question.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready or are you will?

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Speaker 2: Do you have the will? Then he said, if there's

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Speaker 2: a will, a way she guts. The question is do

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Speaker 2: you have the will? And he said yes. So I thought, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: we're ahead in the right direction. Now I'm feeling good

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Speaker 2: about it. But as the conversation continued, it started going

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Speaker 2: negatively and I'm not really sure where it went off

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Speaker 2: so badly because I didn't feel like Mel was being

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Speaker 2: any different than he had ever been, and maybe he

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Speaker 2: was getting a slight bit more. Finally he was saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: there is a will. If we want to do it,

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Speaker 2: we can make it happen. I'm not completely there. I'm

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Speaker 2: not in love, but he said, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: I felt like he was encouraging, and then all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden it flipped, and I'm like, what the heck?

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Speaker 3: I think it's so interesting because I think it is

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Speaker 3: such a Bachelor Nation thing to give an ultimatum before

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Speaker 3: a fantasy toe and so many different and even going

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Speaker 3: into mine on The Bachelor when I was a contestant,

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Speaker 3: I remember telling him I'm falling in love with you.

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Speaker 3: If you don't even feel like you're near that, how

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Speaker 3: are we gonna get through this? So I want to

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Speaker 3: be like, you know that overnight time. It does tell

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Speaker 3: you a lot. So much happens, so I get it,

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Speaker 3: but like getting that little bit that you need to

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Speaker 3: go into that. I understand her, but I think, like

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Speaker 3: you said earlier, like he is just not giving enough

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Speaker 3: or I feel like she's done.

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Speaker 2: Sing too much from him and it all came down

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Speaker 2: to this moment and he hasn't given that to her

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Speaker 2: the entire season. I think she was expecting too much

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Speaker 2: and I think they could have gone and done fantasy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your opinion on that?

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Speaker 3: Do you think she should have definitely gone even just

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Speaker 3: really I mean the conversation is the biggest part. It

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Speaker 3: really you find out so much much and I think

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Speaker 3: we can't even express that to the audience, Like that

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Speaker 3: is where you.

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Speaker 1: Kind of start to make a decision so much.

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Speaker 2: I figured out mine at my fantasy suites and I said,

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Speaker 2: I'm not having a physical relationship in the fantasy suites.

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Speaker 2: I think that it's hard on the relationship that comes

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Speaker 2: out of phantasy suits, I mean out of you know,

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Speaker 2: no iconic to this day, I just felt like that

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Speaker 2: she missed that opportunity and that may have gotten mel

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Speaker 2: to where he is now with Peggy and she or

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Speaker 2: with Peg, and she never gave him the chance. And

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Speaker 2: I feel like I got to wonder if she's ever

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Speaker 2: going to look back on this and say, maybe I

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Speaker 2: spread that up that you know, that one last day,

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Speaker 2: that one really meaningful, those meaningful conversations could have gotten

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Speaker 2: him to where he was with Peg, and she could

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Speaker 2: be she could have been sitting on that stage at

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Speaker 2: the end of tonight.

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Speaker 3: I know. And I just feel like we heard mel

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Speaker 3: say so many times tonight. He has such a sports mindset.

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Speaker 2: Every over till it's over, quit the game Twitter, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I think.

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Speaker 3: In his mind she was quitting. She was a quitter,

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Speaker 3: and he wanted someone that was going to play until

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Speaker 3: the game was over. And then as soon as Sidney,

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Speaker 3: I feel like maybe she wanted him go after her

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Speaker 3: a little bit as much as she says I don't.

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Speaker 1: I think she was shocked he did it.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised he didn't. I was surprised too, sat

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Speaker 2: there and was like, Okay, I'm done, but you know,

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Speaker 2: I really want to be the girl too.

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Speaker 3: Like no, we love Sydney, Like I related to Sidney

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Speaker 3: more than Peg for sure.

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Speaker 2: Oh I agree I did, and I love that she

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Speaker 2: took the power back and didn't give it to him.

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Speaker 2: I'm not positive she did the right thing.

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Speaker 3: I would agree, I wish you would have just I

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Speaker 3: wanted more conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I really want to be like, you go, girl,

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Speaker 2: you did it. You had the power, you as much

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Speaker 2: power as he does. But god, I'm not sure if

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Speaker 2: she did the right thing. And I'm really disappointed to

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Speaker 2: myself because I want to be all about that bold move.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm trying.

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Speaker 1: To be all about the bold no, and I love

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Speaker 1: the bold move.

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Speaker 3: But I think with Bachelor, the moments that moved me

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Speaker 3: the most are the moments were like, you're feeling so

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Speaker 3: and it just makes you feel for them. And I

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Speaker 3: wish we had that moment with Sydney where if she

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Speaker 3: wasn't chosen, that we could feel that and we'd.

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Speaker 2: Be like cheerly cheering for her to be the next

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelerette. Yes, because she loved and lost and she

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Speaker 2: really yeah, you're right, she stayed the whole course, and

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Speaker 2: that bothers me a little bit that I feel like

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Speaker 2: it cheated a Peg out of being picked.

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Speaker 1: I Peg love that you said that in the car

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Speaker 1: choice there was no choice.

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Speaker 2: She was only the only person left I would have loved.

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Speaker 2: And now I know like that would have been really

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Speaker 2: heartbreaking for Cindy, right if she had stayed the course

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Speaker 2: on Fantasy Suites and then he picked Peg instead of her.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like as far as their relationship, I

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Speaker 2: feel like it would have been really good for Peg.

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Speaker 2: I would have made their relationship stronger.

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Speaker 1: What did you.

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Speaker 3: Think when they went into the conversation The next morning

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Speaker 1: I was sitting there and I'm like, can you spit

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Speaker 2: Up with and she and she was being like really

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Speaker 2: I understand I understand. No matter what, this will never

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Speaker 2: change the way I feel about you. Like what he

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Speaker 2: know by that? Yeah, why wouldn't have changed the way

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Was he saying I felt more strongly about you anyway,

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Speaker 2: so her leaving makes no difference. He never says, right,

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Speaker 2: he just just he was saying, it doesn't make me

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Speaker 2: I don't understand that, and she kept saying, okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: That was a really uncomfortable conversation.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's uncomfortable because we're watching two very

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Speaker 2: They dance around so much and never say how they

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Speaker 2: really feel. How are you guys going to get there?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it might be perfect for each other because

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Speaker 3: some point, I do understand not putting feelings first, putting

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Speaker 1: And they didn't even give us a.

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Speaker 2: Little somebody wanted to. At least we've gotten zero.

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Speaker 1: We got it most from Sydney's who. We got it

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Speaker 1: from this whole episode. We got the most emotion out

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Speaker 2: But what I did like, and I felt like I

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Speaker 2: learned a lot about Mail and it was not from mal.

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Speaker 2: It was from the Suns and when I think Peg

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Speaker 2: did that really good? You know, pick one or the other.

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Speaker 2: They told us a lot about him and just that

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Speaker 2: really conversation like that we haven't seen. I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: a great sense of humor. I haven't seen, you know,

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Speaker 2: the things that the adjectives that they chose, I think

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Speaker 2: most revealing thing that we got out of this maybe

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Speaker 2: this whole show about melnd Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And his friend.

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Speaker 3: I remember she said that he's the life of the

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Speaker 3: party and he brings the energy, and I'm like, are

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Speaker 3: we talking about this mel Ewis. It was so interesting

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Speaker 3: because those are the people that know him the most,

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Speaker 3: and I wish he would have let us see that side,

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Speaker 3: but he just chose to not.

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Speaker 2: A bit. I wonder if maybe it's the way this

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Speaker 2: season was produced or edited, because I know these women

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Speaker 2: are all like pretty incredible, they're beautiful women, they're smart,

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Speaker 2: they're accomplished, and they have all kind of fallen for him,

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Speaker 2: and I don't feel like they would have fallen for

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Speaker 2: this empty person that we are seeing, this person that

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Speaker 2: hasn't given anything. So I very much wonder if it's

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Speaker 2: being produced in a way that we are just being

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Speaker 3: I mean you would like to think so, right, I

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Speaker 3: mean he is a good looking man, like we can

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Speaker 3: wrie and I think sometimes they can put a good

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Speaker 3: looking bachelor in front of us.

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Speaker 1: He could say nothing will all fall for him. It

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Speaker 1: happened before.

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Speaker 3: But I mean their emotion that they haven't as you

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Speaker 3: would think, there is something exactly right, like behind.

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Speaker 2: The scenes, was so emotionally invested, like on day one

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Speaker 2: in st Cheryl and Debbie and I mean there's so many

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Speaker 3: So we see this beautiful scene and malth he's on

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Speaker 3: She winds blowing the speeches are happening. Yeah, what's gonna happen?

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Speaker 2: They're holding up the dress that they think they're gonna get.

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Speaker 2: They were on an island, boats island, motor boats island

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Speaker 3: And and all of a sudden the neolane pops out,

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Speaker 2: Because they did it, they didn't say it right, No,

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Speaker 1: They revealed the feeling. I think we're getting confused.

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Speaker 2: So here we are standing on the like engagement the pedestal.

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Speaker 2: But I still walk away thinking maybe there are maybe

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: They are I think they didn't get engaged.

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Speaker 2: They didn't get engaged. I'm positive of it. Now.

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Speaker 1: Why was there a ring because we had promister ring?

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Speaker 3: Well, I remember on Matt James' season with Rachel he said, I,

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Speaker 2: It sure was. They were like who and then we

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Speaker 1: Done, address, great energy.

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Speaker 2: Pat I wore a short version of shout out.

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Speaker 3: To you ran your own and Jesse goes, do you

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Speaker 1: Like everyone in the audience not just watch? It makes sense.

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Speaker 2: It all makes sense.

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Speaker 4: If your idea of getting some action is watching The

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Speaker 4: Hunting Wives, you need to listen to I Do Part two.

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Speaker 4: Listen to I Do Part two on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they're not engaged, but they are together and

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Speaker 1: And then he said.

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Speaker 1: Which is absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 3: I think we have never in history seen a final

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Speaker 3: Now when you're up there saying you don't, you barely

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Speaker 2: It's a very odd thing to happen in a bachelor season. Okay,

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Speaker 3: No, genuinely, that's fine, comes and it is so much fun,

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Speaker 2: Like, feelings are going to be important here, and both

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about this.

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Speaker 3: It does make sense we see them maybe, you know what, Like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Sidney could have really stayed knowing that,

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Speaker 3: Been pegged because she's fine with going at his pace,

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Speaker 3: and like that she admitted that she wasn't in love

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's the thing that made him comfortable, Like the

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Speaker 2: And if Cidy had just given him a little grace

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Speaker 1: A little I know.

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Speaker 2: I love that they are together. I love that they're

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Speaker 2: there too. And I feel like we bachelination mitched, miss jumped.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and it's just empty.

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Speaker 3: I've been in so many fars I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: It's just the amount of like.

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Speaker 3: No emotion, lack of emotions, especially on the last day,

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Speaker 2: I was so emotional and like, I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: And you're excited and oh my gosh, they're in love

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Speaker 2: It was just her. We lost all of that, and

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Speaker 3: It was a hard watch and I feel like we

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what do you think.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you, out of everyone, would have the

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Speaker 2: Today is the day the test starts.

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Speaker 2: They exists in the world where there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: the next three months are very telling. Yeah, I think

442
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 2: that's when, or maybe the next six months.

443
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,400
Speaker 1: What's your advice to him if he listening. Yeah, because

444
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 1: they didn't ask Joan, which I was also pissed about.

445
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 3: They asked Gary and Jack and I was like, Joan

446
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 3: is sitting right there in the middle, and I think

447
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 3: she has advice.

448
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 2: Too, I asked Jock, I said, do you want to

449
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 2: take that question? Okay, I'm like comic so well, but

450
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 2: I can't ask.

451
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 1: I was like, Jesse, I.

452
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 2: Do I know I do have advice because I feel

453
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: like like you finally are out with your friends and

454
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 2: your family and the world, and you're out in public.

455
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: And I think some people get they like the fame,

456
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: and I think you need to like your relationship way

457
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 2: more than you like the fame because it's over. I

458
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 2: think it destroys people. I think you become as important

459
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 2: as people are saying, like you're starting to believe your

460
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,479
Speaker 2: own press. You know, it was never believe your own

461
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: press good or bad. Like people are like loving you

462
00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 2: as a couple, and like you need all that outside reinforcement.

463
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: It feels good. And when you stop getting that, then

464
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: it's really on YouTube to be the reinforcement for each other. Yeah,

465
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 2: and you just start that process early. You can't wait

466
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 2: for it to stop from the public, like it's your

467
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: responsibility to make sure the relationship is good.

468
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see though, him moving forward, because it

469
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 3: feels like he didn't like do much press.

470
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 1: How involved is he with the public.

471
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: I feel like for you and for Gary, it was

472
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 3: so you know, pushed to the whole world was so

473
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: excited and everyone was getting ready and his I didn't

474
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 3: even know it was starting.

475
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: It felt kind of just like very private.

476
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: It was crazy, wasn't it. Yes, Well, I think that

477
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: he made that wonder a bad statement. I needed to

478
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: get out there and apologize to the women before anybody

479
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 2: was really going to want to listen to his press.

480
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 2: I don't think he had an opportunity to do it

481
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 2: because he had started the journey in such a bad

482
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: way and you know, and he overcame that. He really did,

483
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: He really did overcome that, and he had us all

484
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: believing that that wasn't a criteria, that age thing that

485
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 2: he has said so and like he and it's true, yeah,

486
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 2: both of them are so Like he did a really

487
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: good job of coming from a negative position. He made

488
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: it back to like ground zero. He just didn't make

489
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: it past that.

490
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be interesting.

491
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: It's gonna be so interesting because I mean obviously seasons

492
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 3: EBB and flow, but like the excitement of yours and Gary's,

493
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: it just it feels so different this time, which is like,

494
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 3: you know, it'll be so interesting to see if we'll

495
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: get a bachelorette and who it would be.

496
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: If we do. So, if you if you looked at

497
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 2: the audience, really well, so many of the women from

498
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: his season were.

499
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: There, weren't almost all? It felt like almost all. Yeah, so.

500
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 2: Like let's take well, we're not gonna take another quation,

501
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: so the logical person to choose probably be sitting. That's

502
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: kind of like pretty standard bachelor. Yeah, but he had

503
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,239
Speaker 2: some pretty incredible women on his season. Do you have

504
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: somebody that you would choose? First of all, would you

505
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: choose Sidney? And if you didn't choose Cidy, who would

506
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: you choose from that?

507
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: It's so difficult, Like obviously it's like you would feel

508
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 3: like Sidney. But then we also talked about like maybe

509
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 3: if she would have pushed us a little bit further,

510
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: that I could.

511
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: Do it for her a little bit more.

512
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 3: And Joan and I were talking about this on the way,

513
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: Like even in Gary season there obviously there was a

514
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 3: final three and amazing choices, but I remember Jones like

515
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 3: leaving and it really stuck out to me. So I

516
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: feel like there are so many, like you said, deserving women.

517
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: But Debbie, so I love the idea sweet, and I

518
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: love the idea of something different. So like we have Taylor,

519
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 2: Frankie Paul, she is a shake up right now. I

520
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be an insanely popular season. I think

521
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: that we like that we've never had one that has

522
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: three kids, two baby daddies, had a sex scandal, and

523
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: is a convicted criminal. I mean, let's just put it

524
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 2: all out there. We all know it's not I think,

525
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: though I'm kind of intrigued by her.

526
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: No I have to watch. I like, I think the

527
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: whole world.

528
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 2: Different, Like we've been seeing maybe the same old thing

529
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of years. So it makes

530
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: me think that maybe Debbie is a really good choice

531
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 2: because we have not seen an older person that has

532
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: never been married before. In fact, we have very few

533
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: contestants that I've been married before, only one on the

534
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor season, really only one on my season, and

535
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 2: she was the only one on that season. So we

536
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: had three that have come on the show at all

537
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: that have not been have never been married.

538
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: I love that. It's such a good I love so badly.

539
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: I feel like she's never well she's found love before,

540
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: she's actually had serious relationships, but she's never been married,

541
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: She's never had like her person, the person you plan

542
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 2: your future with and you're going to grow old with.

543
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: And I feel like I'd really be rooting for her,

544
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: almost more than I root for Cindy.

545
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: No, I agree, because it would be the first time

546
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: the audience, of course golden they always say like second chance,

547
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: I love, but it's.

548
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: Her first, just in her golden years. Yeah, that's such

549
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: a good point.

550
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 3: Wait, we shaid start campaigning for this, because that's such

551
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: a good idea.

552
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: I'm totally upset it, like a five times on podcast.

553
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 3: I really love actual love of her life, the actual

554
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: her golden years would be beautiful and.

555
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: She would be so per Can you imagine her wedding,

556
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: Like you have to televise it?

557
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: No, you would have to me and Joan will be

558
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: in the front row, and I will.

559
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: I voted for you early, yes, And she looked beautiful.

560
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: She was there tonight.

561
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't even see her. I think I'm in

562
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: the audience.

563
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: Beautiful, And I think that she would be really good.

564
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: And I loved her heart and she buried her soul

565
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: and I don't think she would have given up if

566
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: she had made it to the final two. I don't

567
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: think she would have You're not giving me what I need,

568
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: and I think she would have been there till the

569
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: end for him.

570
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wait, what a crazy ending.

571
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: It was an ending. I don't know how I feel that.

572
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: I usually have a data process and I could kind

573
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: of get my brain to like how I feel about it.

574
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm just like spitting it all out

575
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: right now, as as you are, like, did I like

576
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: that ending? Director? Did I not like that ending?

577
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: What do you think? I think?

578
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 3: I almost well, I've never been to and after the

579
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: final rows that was like pre taped, so the world

580
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: doesn't know right now, which is so interesting because we

581
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: get to have these thoughts without Sometimes I think one

582
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 3: way and then I'll look online and I'm like, oh

583
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: maybe I was wrong.

584
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you'll hear other people's.

585
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: I've never walked away and just didn't feel warm and fuzzy.

586
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: AFR is such a good feeling.

587
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: I don't. I feel like Sidney ripped of of that

588
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: their ending, Like it was like an abrupt ending that

589
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 2: I wasn't ready for. I feel like they didn't say

590
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: they loved each other when they were standing there on

591
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: the beach. They got a weirdering thing happening that it

592
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: was a proposal. Maybe it was it they come out

593
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: and sit next to each other finally say I love you.

594
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: But the love you wasn't like I'm so in love

595
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: shine with you.

596
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: And the more I we've done our happy couple of

597
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: visits and I've fallen so deeply in love with you,

598
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: it's like he's like, yeah, I do love this woman now,

599
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: and she's like, yeah, you love this guy.

600
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 4: You know, You're so right.

601
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 3: And then they're like, we don't do feels, and everyone's

602
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: like religion feels.

603
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, like love is in the air, no truly,

604
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 5: and you know what, maybe that's just how they are

605
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 5: and and they're the type of people that are going

606
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 5: to share that all in private, which I totally love.

607
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: But it's just like, it's not what you do. We've

608
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: bared worse than are so we've liked, oh.

609
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: My gosh so much because it's just you know, in

610
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: the name of love, and it's it's.

611
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: Part of the show. And the audience fallows along.

612
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: I know, and you know what, Bache Nation gets invested

613
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: in you because you are being real and you're like

614
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: and they can relate to your feelings all loved and

615
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: lost or we've all you know, had bad relationships and

616
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: so like talking about those and people relating to you.

617
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: They gave us something to relate to.

618
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: And it's so true, I know, and we're so happy

619
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: for that, we really are.

620
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: But it's is just like our raw feelings, which I

621
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: know you got to people with. But yeah, we are comfortable. Yeah,

622
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: we love them, We do love that. We are so

623
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: happy for them. But I love that Fuzzy is not there.

624
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: We're missing that. There was a little part of me, actually,

625
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: there was a big part of me that hoped this

626
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: that he would propose right there.

627
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: Has that happened before?

628
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 3: Yes?

629
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: Who was it? Was it?

630
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: Somebody did? Jason and Mollie, I can't remember, somebody and Monne.

631
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 6: But then you're so happy, you're like the You're like okay, wait, okay, okay,

632
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 6: We're like okay wait.

633
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: Maybe he's just like he didn't know and now it's

634
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: it's they're so married.

635
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they like they finally said there love. And

636
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to like get down on

637
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: one knee and pull out a ring. Another neeling Neeeling

638
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: was sitting next to him, and there we should ask

639
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: him we could ask him.

640
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: I bet you know. When we're like, was that a proposal?

641
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: Is that a ring, he'd be like.

642
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I was hoping that

643
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: he would do it. I had this big thought in

644
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: my mind, and then when they started doing the bloopers,

645
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, it's not happening.

646
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: As soon as the bloopers ran, we saw a clip

647
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: of Taylor yeah, and that was it. Yeah, and then

648
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: it was over and it just then we went home

649
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: and here we are.

650
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: You know who made me feel the most woman buzzy

651
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: was Taylor m I liked her. Yeah, she like I

652
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: have all these and I've watched super Lives of Mormon Wives.

653
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 2: I think it's a great.

654
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: I know I can't wait for the next season.

655
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: And I hear the next season is juicy. Yes. I

656
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: talked to some of the girls at you you were

657
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: there with the.

658
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: O.

659
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: They would give me a little, a little scoop. I

660
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: feel like Taylor franky Paul is emotional and like she's raw,

661
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: and I think she's like that on Super Lines and

662
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: Mormon Wives. She's like she's always super honest. I think

663
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: I out of all the things tonight she was she

664
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: was the most emotional other than.

665
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: No, just seeing that small clip, you are so right,

666
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: She's already saying, I can see my husband.

667
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I can fall in love.

668
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: I've already been through so much as is way harder

669
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: like and you could see it, like watching her sit

670
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: down there, I'm like, oh my god, I felt like

671
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: I was there again, Like.

672
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: I was it. I've been.

673
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 7: Relating to it and I sat on that couch too,

674
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 7: of you and I still couldn't connect, I know, and

675
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 7: I've been kind of the city person, like I left

676
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 7: you know, Gary season early and like we had, you know,

677
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 7: we had started to form some bond and I don't know,

678
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 7: I was disappointed to be left.

679
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: I was disappointed in their lack of emotions. I don't

680
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: feel like this finale wold me at all and usually

681
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: finelles deal.

682
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

683
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: The most interesting part was probably that Gary and Teresa

684
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: were in the same audience.

685
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: And that was probably the juicy far was that nuts that?

686
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean, my guys really were all the yes, so

687
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: many exes in the audience. I'm like when they do that,

688
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: like did they know? I know, because they know that

689
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: the other person is going to be there.

690
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: Very interesting audience if you guys can pick them out.

691
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the studio. Yeah, it's like I think

692
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: the most Bachelor Nations filled.

693
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: I'd every love it.

694
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: I love it. A union, Yeah, it was like two

695
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: whole sections of terination, so much fun. It was really good. Yeah.

696
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: I am excited to see if the Golden Series continues

697
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: me to feel like every single every single year is

698
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: on the chopping block.

699
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm worried this.

700
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: And especially Bachelorette, because Bachelorette is always on the chopping block.

701
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: We know that that's the first one to go.

702
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: Everybody knows Bachelorette doesn't get as good ratings Bachelor.

703
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: Because the women make us season.

704
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: We do. The men of my season make the season the.

705
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: Amazing there, but the women, it's just it's so they're

706
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: so fun to watch. So yeah, it'll be interesting. I

707
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 3: wouldn't mind you being old so special like she truly

708
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: is like the only goal that I would be like, Okay,

709
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: we just ever never don't.

710
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that there are lots of

711
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: ones that are deserving. I'm voting for Debbie right now. Okay,

712
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: Team Debbie. We love it, and I don't want Sidney

713
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: to hate me and think that I wasn't voting for her.

714
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: No, of course, so happy.

715
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't like Sydney's our help.

716
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 3: By the way, you're a beautiful, stunning eye. Her dress

717
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: was amazing, like the silver giving Goerella.

718
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: Which dress did you like the best?

719
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: She loved both, and I love that they both went sparkles, yeah,

720
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: big time. It was giving revenge dress for Sydney and

721
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: Pegs was just so fun and she was dancing before

722
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: she came out.

723
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: It was sparkling. It was definitely her personality.

724
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was her versatility right, and was her personality yes, yeah,

725
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: she's a little more subdued. Even the sparkle. It was

726
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: like a silver gray.

727
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: It was beautiful and they everyone liked beautiful.

728
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: Maybe we will get a wedding and then we'll see

729
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 3: some more emotions.

730
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll do a big punch when.

731
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 6: They'll do their own bells'd be terrible, can you imagine?

732
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: Okay, So I feel like the juiciest part of this

733
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: whole episode was the fact that Teresa and Gary were

734
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: in the audience together.

735
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: What the heck?

736
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: I saw Teresa and I thought Gary wasn't here, and

737
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, I turned around and I

738
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 3: see Gary and his fiance.

739
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, walking in and they okay, so they were sitting

740
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: in sections right next to each other, so you could,

741
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: I would say, right next to Gary.

742
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 3: I didn't even know the audience half the time because

743
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 3: she was sitting in the same row. I couldn't see across.

744
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: They were like next to each other basically, but just

745
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: like like a bleacher apart.

746
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: Or literally they could and hit each other.

747
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: No, genuinely, I know they were so close.

748
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: I didn't couldn't even see them, and where the prompter

749
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 3: was right in the middle.

750
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: Well, so I kept looking over to see if there

751
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: was going to ever be any eye contact, and I

752
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: think only one time did Gary look over there. What

753
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: was really like at commercial breaks, we all get up

754
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 2: and walk around and like say, running around. Gary never

755
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: moved from his She did it because I don't think

756
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: he wanted to have an encounter encounter with her. I

757
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 2: think that it was no care now and she really

758
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: didn't move from her seat. She stayed kind of over

759
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: with the golden batcher over. I mean we're friends, yeah, never, yeah, never,

760
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: those two world's going to meet.

761
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: That is absolutely crazy what I've been seeing in the press.

762
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: And I bet there's should be a lot of cameras

763
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: on both of them throughout this whole taping, because I

764
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: really feel like their story is probably the biggest answer.

765
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 3: And it's crazy because like we talked about the warm fuzzies,

766
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: and I remember at their wedding, I was crying, he was.

767
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: That was so emotional and see, yeah we were there

768
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 3: the wedding to where we are now, It's like, it's

769
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 3: so hard that this happens to couples, but especially them,

770
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 3: because I feel like they've both been through so much

771
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: and now to be going back and forth in the press,

772
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 3: it's so stressed.

773
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: And they're each other down.

774
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: They're making each other look, both look bad, and they're

775
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: both really like pretty good people I know.

776
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: And they're making you feel bad.

777
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: They're just showing each other. It just keeps going back

778
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: and forth back every day. Disappointing.

779
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I think one thing was said and then

780
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: like I hear something about chopping bodies and hiding bodies.

781
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's happening. I saw Teresa.

782
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, I think it was all

783
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: taken out of conto.

784
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: No, of course we know that he's not.

785
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: Really bad.

786
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, and.

787
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: It was okay, so but I mean, she used it

788
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: against him. I feel like maybe I don't know. I

789
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 2: wasn't there, but I don't I know him. I don't

790
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: He's not like this guy would kill somebody and think

791
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: it was just really stooge.

792
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 3: I know, And especially now when like these words are

793
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 3: holding a lot of weight because there are so many

794
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: eyeballs on it, you know what it is doing.

795
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: It's kind of like knowing those book he's making some money.

796
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's so pep. We're going to buy

797
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: that book. All press is good press.

798
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: I have learned that I'm still had.

799
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: A right bad press. I think he's gonna excel some books.

800
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: So I mean, I think, I I think, I'm I

801
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 2: think everybody left a hole today because they avoided each other.

802
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: And I'm not sure why Bachelor invited both both of them.

803
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: I know you think they knew.

804
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I know Leslie and Triesa didn't get

805
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: invited until like just a couple of days ago when

806
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: things were really hidden.

807
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: And no ways, this is so messy.

808
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: I feel like Bachelor producers, you know, they always say,

809
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: like Chris Jenner works harder than the devil.

810
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 1: I think the Bachelor producers might work harder than Chris Jenner.

811
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: They really, because that's crazy.

812
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: I thought it was just like a planned thing, like

813
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: everyone was because it's golden.

814
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: And there was no other person from our season other

815
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: than Sondra that was there. And Sondra was there because

816
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: her sister was on Mel season. They were the only

817
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: two people there, right, not a single other person from

818
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 2: Gary season, Me, Leslie, Leslie, Teresa and Sora because Sonder's

819
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: sister was.

820
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is messy.

821
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why. I mean, if anybody, if anybody looks

822
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 2: at this audience, they're going to figure that.

823
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 3: Oh, I feel like that's going to be everything obvious

824
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 3: everyone's talking about.

825
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: It's really obvious. Okay, So I feel like we we

826
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 2: kind of skipped over that really uncomfortable conversation of Mel

827
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: and Cindy's sitting on the sofa and hers her saying

828
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: like what happened and he him saying like I needed

829
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: time with you in the fantasy like we missed the time,

830
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: and she said, well, you weren't giving me enough to

831
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: make me want to go to the fantasy feet with you.

832
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: When I feel like you could say like we need

833
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: to talk. We don't need to have that physical part

834
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: of it. And it's just you guys going into a

835
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 2: room without cameras. Why is that such a big deal?

836
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 2: And then she would say, well, you didn't give me enough,

837
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: and he said, well, I couldn't give you enough because

838
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: I needed to tell you stuff. I need to talk

839
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: to you in fantasy, you talk to you without cameras.

840
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: And she said, well, I wasn't going to go in

841
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: there without more of a better promise from you or

842
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: a better more emotions from you. And it just went

843
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: back and forth and back and forth and back and

844
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: forth to the point where Jesse finally jumped in. He

845
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: had to like referee it.

846
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: He was pulling Hi just crazy at a real sitting.

847
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 2: We were like, this is never going to end. Somebody

848
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: needs to stop it. So he did.

849
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: I got like two bulls, like budding heads, like both

850
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 3: of them. No one was like actually saying how they feel.

851
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: And then Jesse said, and it wasn't during this conversation.

852
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: It was before Mel came out.

853
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: When she was sitting there alone, she said, did you

854
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: want Mel to come after you? Because Jesse had come

855
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: and spoken about hard you know, do you use the

856
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: opportunity to go after it? She hasn't left it, and

857
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: he said no, and then he asked her, do you

858
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: wish that he had come? And she said no, And

859
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm not positive I believe that.

860
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: I also just I don't like it when it's like,

861
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: if you cared about someone a little bit after that breakup,

862
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 3: I would want to have a talk with them, even

863
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: if it was off camera, and be like, listen, can

864
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 3: we have five minutes off camera like before this like

865
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 3: is actually over. And the fact that both of them

866
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: just so easily let it go, it was really disappointing.

867
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's disappointing to.

868
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: Hear her say because clearly you felt those feelings and

869
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: you did want him to come after you, because don't

870
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: we all we want the man and the profession of love,

871
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 3: and it's like it's saddy, hell no. Yeah, And it's

872
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 3: hard I think sometimes when months go by and then you're.

873
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: Like, oh, never mind, I never really liked them, and

874
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: it feels.

875
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: Like that's what we're I know. Yeah, And I felt

876
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: like like he should have gone after her if he

877
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: cared enough, so maybe.

878
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: She didn't even.

879
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: Conversation, and it, really, I think is just both of

880
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: them being stubborn. And I hate to say, yeah, I

881
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: do wish that she would have just went to the

882
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: Fantasy Suite to talk, because it's not like he was

883
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 3: giving peg promises and she said, well, you can't give them.

884
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: If that was happening, I would agree with her one

885
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 3: hundred percent.

886
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: Could have totally self eliminated. She could have subliminated after that, Yes.

887
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: And even in the morning. In the morning, if I

888
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: still feel this way, I'm going to leave.

889
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: But I want you to know going in, I need

890
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: to have these important conversations with you.

891
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: I'm to make my decision. She could have said that

892
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: up front, I'm not going to go. This isn't going

893
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: to be a physical thing. But that's what was keeping

894
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: her back, because the thing that was keeping her back

895
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: was the physical part of it, because she wanted to

896
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 2: have those conversations. So why did she just say that's

897
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: off the table for us. I do want to spend

898
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: time with you, but I don't want to. I don't

899
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: think I'm at that place yet with you. I don't

900
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: have enough for you to want to do that. Yeah,

901
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: why why couldn't have that been like no conversation.

902
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: I agree, and like I think the Fantasy Suite they

903
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: always do visually make it seem like so yeah sexy

904
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 3: and everybody in the morning, yeah, with the robes, and

905
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 3: I mean sometimes it could be a very tiny part,

906
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 3: but the main part is like they don't understand we're

907
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 3: in that room for like so many hours, no camera,

908
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: no phone, no it's eavy like you were talking the

909
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 3: entire time.

910
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: It really does make a difference. And I wish she

911
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: would have given him that time.

912
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: It helped me make my decision to tell you that.

913
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: I mean it really I came out knowing.

914
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so important, and I think sometimes the

915
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: physical thing can block And I mean, I love the

916
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: way you did it, and I feel like so many

917
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: people have done it in the past where like they said,

918
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 3: that's off the table, so valid, make that like known upfront.

919
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: I love that, but I mean it is so important

920
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 3: just to be like, what are you actually feeling? There's

921
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: no cameras, how do we move forward?

922
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: And she didn't, and we wish she would have, Like

923
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: so easily I.

924
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: Would have been like, Okay, here's your ultimatum, and the morning,

925
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave what I need on the camera and

926
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: I want to give you that because I care about you.

927
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

928
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: Well, and he also did say something like he used

929
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: the term two years and so hard of that conversation,

930
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: and she said like, yeah, I'm not willing to wait two.

931
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: Years, which I do feel that's a long time.

932
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 3: I get that, And I mean there was something similar

933
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 3: that happened on my season where I had someone who

934
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: didn't want to get engaged and it was so important

935
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: to me at the time that they made that commitment

936
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: to me. So I do in a way understand where

937
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: she's coming from that this is you know, the Bachelor.

938
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: There's a ring, it is involved, and I completely.

939
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: Agree with her the two years it was a long

940
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: that is.

941
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a long time.

942
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: I remember Joey and Lex had that same conversation and

943
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: she went to him and spoke to him like, you know, said,

944
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: I have this physical thing that happens. You know that

945
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: she is going to have a hard time having babies

946
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: and she needed the timeline to be quicker, and he said,

947
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get there, and she was. She

948
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: self eliminated. But I don't think Cindy ever, like had

949
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: that conversation she just before it happened.

950
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we saw a lot of it off camera,

951
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 3: like in the live audience and after she had months

952
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 3: and months and months to like cross about it.

953
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I have to address my lack of voice.

954
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: So was party.

955
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 4: I was.

956
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: I was out a little less. We went out to dinner.

957
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 2: We actually went with Bachelor People, which was really fun.

958
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: I ended up with with Pascal was in town and

959
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: for my season, yes, yep, and he was there and

960
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: Monica Bee was there and we saw them sitting together

961
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: in the audience.

962
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, wait any more. I can't give you

963
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: any tea.

964
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: That's up to them. And then Theresa Leslie.

965
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: I love that.

966
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 2: Quite a fun group.

967
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: I love that party. I was at eight pm as

968
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: soon as the sun went down, tucked in. I have

969
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: to I love that you guys went out, but we

970
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: need to get her at tea.

971
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 2: I know. So I'm sorry.

972
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't like talk very good. But no, you sound

973
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: so much better than you did in the car. When

974
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: we were in the car, I was like, Joe, this

975
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: is gonna be an a s m R episode. Just

976
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: whispered to me. I'll say, what you think you just talk? No,

977
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: you did so. I feel like your voice bounced back.

978
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: It's giving raspy.

979
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, I want to feel respy, I feel tired.

980
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: I know this was it was a long night.

981
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, thanks Ben and Ashley for letting us take over,

982
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: especially for this really monumental fin helly, thank you for

983
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: letting us do it. And we're honored that you'd want

984
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: to hear our opinion. I know we didn't. We're not

985
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: professionals like you guys, but we have been set in

986
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: the seats, he said, and I feel like we had

987
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: a really good view of what was No.

988
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: I love it.

989
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: Should we do what it's? Ben's outro always it's like

990
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: I've been met.

991
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 2: I've been Rachel. Okay, you you have Ashley. Okay, so

992
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: I've been Joe.

993
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: And I've been Rachel and what are they? I forget

994
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: I say that, And I've been Joed, I've been Rachel.

995
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: We did it.

996
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 2: H