WEBVTT - 093023 Police Cost More Than You Know (Part 1) 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.760 You know, police cost way more than you would have 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:08.080 ever expected. Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios, I'd 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.080 like to welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher. 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:14.239 I'm your host, Ramsey's job. He is Ramsey's job. I 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.960 am about it bout it. We're listening to the Master 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:20.880 Pier earlier so that people could know how I felt. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:24.239 Today, I'm also c Ward and you are listening to 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:25.120 Civic Cipher. 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:26.759 Indeed, and we got a lot for you to stick 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:30.520 around for today, including that very subject. We're gonna be 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:36.239 talking about exactly how much police cost cities, you know, 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:39.279 especially the way that you know policing has done and 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:43.560 regulated and policed. Dare I say at present, it's a 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.480 lot more expensive than you may know. And often enough, 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.760 actually one hundred percent of the time, it's you and me, 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.159 the taxpayers that end up putting the bill when it 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.600 comes to like police misconduct, police brutality, settling lawsuits, and 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.920 even paying for police that are injured on the job. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.080 That all comes from us. And so we're going to 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.640 talk about some of those things and how we ended 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:07.480 up in the system in ways that we can kind 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:12.800 of change how things work. Also, we're going to be 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:17.520 talking about diversity, equity and inclusion DEI initiatives. You may 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.280 or may not know, but recently DEI initiatives, a lot 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.120 of which were started in twenty twenty during the you know, 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.880 the mass protest over George Floyd. A lot of those 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.600 initiatives have come under attack from the right, from conservatives, 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.440 and there are a lot of people that say the 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:40.280 DEI either doesn't work, or it is like reverse discrimination, 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.560 or all these other narratives that people are trying to 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.600 sew into the minds and the hearts of the American people. 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.280 And so we figured we'd give you a little bit 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.200 of substance and facts, because that's what we deal with 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.800 on this show, so that you can push back if 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.360 that ever makes its way, a conversation, ever wakes it 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.880 makes its way to you. But first and foremost, we 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.880 are going to start off, as always with some ebony excellence, 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:09.440 shall we we shall So today's Ebony Excellence is sponsored 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.519 by Major Threads for innovative fashionable sportswear. Check major threads 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.960 dot com. And I'm going to be sharing from the Verge. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.960 Comedian and media mogul Byron Allen has reportedly made a 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.840 ten billion dollar offer to acquire the ABC TV network, 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.359 FX and national geographic cable channels and local stations from 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.720 Walt Disney, according to a report from Bloomberg. The publication 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:36.440 source claims that the offer is preliminary and could change, 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.920 and that Allan would work with banks and private equity 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.000 firms to finance the deal, which is standards. That's how 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.200 these things tend to work. The offer for ABC isn't 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.840 an unusual move for Allan. The comedian turn producer has 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.120 invested one point three billion dollars over the last few 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:53.200 years to add new assets to his media portfolio, including 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.200 the Weather Channel and a string of local stations from 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.680 Honolulu to Tucson. And the reason I wanted to talk 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:05.720 about out Byron Allen and this maneuver as an example 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:10.079 of EBNY excellence is because in my life, this sort 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:16.160 of conversation even is something that is new. This is 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.840 something that behind the scenes. There were a lot of 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:24.920 people that worked toward in the eighties. You know some 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.280 of the names, some of these people that fell from prominence. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.600 But we recognize on this show at least that anybody 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:39.000 that's moving to create opportunities, that's trying to be a 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.560 black voice in the room, someone that has some additional 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:47.600 perspective and that has the corporate sophistication and the fiscal 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.280 backing to make these things happen. It deserves a shout 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:53.320 out from us. And so even though this hasn't happened, 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.640 we applaud Byron Allen as an example of any excellence 0:03:56.640 --> 0:04:00.520 for at least getting this conversation started and get hope 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.960 to all of us who would like to see that happen. Now, 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:12.960 let's talk about how much the police cost. Okay, so 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:15.680 let me give you a little bit of backstory. As 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.800 you may or may not know, we share Q and 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:25.040 I both share content all week long prior to recording 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.800 the show. We share content, and then we have a 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.760 meeting before we actually turn on the cameras and the 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:38.040 lights and the microphones, and we decide what portion of 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.000 the ninety percent that we're going to leave on the 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.600 cutting room floor. There's a lot that we don't get 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:48.520 to talk about. Yeah, yeah, sure, But recently this came 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.760 from Q. He sent over a post from Sean King. 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.040 Shawn King is an activist for those that don't know, 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:59.000 who is very high profile activist, someone that we both 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:04.920 look up to and who has supported us in our 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.840 journey as well. But again someone who has he's he's 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.839 worked in the activist space much longer than we have, 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:14.320 and again someone that we look up to for a 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.960 lot of what he a lot of his thinking and 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.680 the way he processes information. So he put up a post, 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.800 and his post said, over the past decade, these ten 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:30.240 NYPD cops accounted for more than sixty eight million dollars 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:33.560 in misconduct payouts. All of them are still on the 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:38.080 public payroll. The post goes on to cite an article 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:42.320 from The Gothamist and the article. The headline of the 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:45.719 article reads, over a decade, ten NYPD officers accounted for 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:51.000 sixty eight million dollars in police conduct payouts police misconduct payouts. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:58.440 I'm sorry report so first and foremost, I know that 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:05.279 this is kind of illuminating specifically the New York Police Department, 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.640 But the fact is that this is true largely around 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:17.839 the country. It is very, very difficult for police to 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.840 be held accountable for any sort of misconduct. It's very 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:25.039 difficult to even bring about some sort of attention that 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:30.240 gets a proper investigation. When it comes to police, they're 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:34.440 very well fortified and insulated from consequences due to not 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.760 just qualified immunity, which I do want to talk about 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.719 a little bit more later on, but also police unions. 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.800 I think at some point I think either we have 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.160 the conversation or I read recently that the becoming a 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.520 police officer is the safest job in the country. It's 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.720 almost like impossible to get fired from it, and you 0:06:55.839 --> 0:07:01.160 probably have an easier time getting kicked out of the military. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:05.320 This allows for those bad apples. By the way, follow 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:07.359 us on social media because we've been having a discourse 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:09.640 about bad apples and good apples and what happens to 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.960 the good apples. But this framework allows for those bad 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:19.240 apples to not only cross the line and cost the 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.480 taxpayers money, but also to become repeat offenders, as we'll 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:28.200 shoot soon. As we'll soon see. So I know you 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.440 wanted to share a couple of thoughts, So let's get 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.520 let's get you away in here, and then we'll get 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:37.600 back to the. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:39.600 The most difficult thing about uh, not just qualified immunity, 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:43.000 but the very very strong union protection and insulation that 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:49.320 officers have is the indoctrination of citizens. Right because the 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.320 qualified immunity and protection from your unions typically keep them 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.960 employed and keep them out of prison. But that implication 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.960 of money that when they mess up, we pay for it, 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.400 sesus don't even care. Like in any other space, we'd 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:07.560 be outraged if our politicians, well our politicians do make 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:09.560 mistakes that I know what you're trying to say, but 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.240 it was presented the same way, especially the way the 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:17.240 right would approach it. If a Democratic candidate or politician 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:22.240 did something that cost taxpayers sixty eight million dollars, they 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:27.559 destroy that that person with rousing support from their base. 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.840 The indoctrination of the hero complex kind of that we've 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.440 given to our law enforcement officers keeps us from even 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.800 being upset by headlines like that, Like you think the 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.400 people of New York would take to the streets as 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.840 an angry mob to you know, protest and you know, 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.360 storm the capitol quote unquote with regards to having to 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.600 pick up the tab on the misconduct. But not only 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:57.480 is no one outraged, not only are these ten officers 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.240 so that part again, ten officers being responsible for sixty 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:07.920 eight million, it's so much still employed, probably still in 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.640 the same position. I'm guessing they probably didn't lose any rank, 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.840 no salary decrease, slap on the wrist, get to say 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:17.640 you're sorry, probably some type of paid leave, take take 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.280 a couple of weeks off. Your checks will still be there, 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.480 No no problem, just you know, collect yourself and we'll 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.040 see you on the first. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:27.640 There's so many things built in. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.520 No public outrage, no accountability, and no loss in money 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:32.760 by the officers. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:34.439 Why be a good apple? 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.280 Why would you even consider it when you're the type 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.680 of you know, the type of person that applies for 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.520 a job that allows you to actually do anything you 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:50.319 want unless it's like gross, you know, unavoidable, unhideable misconduct. 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.240 You're kind of straight. It's really really we're really up 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:56.400 against it with regards to that. 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:00.120 Yeah, yeah, and I'm glad you mentioned, you know, if 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.559 it's something that you can't hide, because often on this show, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:08.120 the stories that we tell are stories of police cover ups. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.240 You know, they work together in concert to cover up 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.480 the offenses or transgressions of their fellow officers, and not 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.400 just officers, medical examiners, heroametics. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.720 Like we've read stories where medical examiners have said a 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.040 person that was beat to death die from a heart condition, 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.400 Like absolutely, it's intense, man. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.840 So the crazy part about that is that the stories 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.719 that do make their way to us are stories that 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.520 the cover up wasn't effective, and so that leads us 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.280 to often question how many cover ups never make their 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.560 way to us, how many cover ups by the police 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.559 are successful, and the. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.000 Crazy I guess a very high pursua because the data 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:53.880 would support that they're investigating their own mis conduct the 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.600 police police the police yet exactly. 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:01.360 That'd be like me stealing something or doing something I 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.760 don't know, pick cries and then something and then I'm 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.360 responsible atting you down to find the thing. You still 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.200 ye say hey there, yeah exactly, And then I watched 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:15.839 me pat myself right, yeah, nothing, sorry exactly, and and 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.679 if the logic holds up, you realize that that's asinine. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:23.520 But again, whether this was taking me was that? And 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.880 we talked about this on the show before. The police 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:35.839 are not quite like other industries or enterprises or operations. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:43.040 The police, how about this. We talk about capitalism a 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.400 lot on this show, and for better or worse, we 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.480 live in a capitalistic society. We often deal with the 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:54.600 worst facets and aspects of capitalism on this show, but 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.880 that's that's the society that we live in, and capitalism 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.679 to be fair has its benefits. It does drive innovation, 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.040 it does drive you know, not not unlike other things. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.480 But you know, to those that would applaud capitalism. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:11.560 I'd argue, however, there are other that innovation, and yeah, 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.120 that all of that would exist even exactly. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.000 That's the difference. That's what I'm trying to say. But 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:17.880 I'm not sure this. I don't want to focus on 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:23.040 capitalism as much as I do the capitalistic forces that 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:28.319 are at play in the majority of our society. If 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.480 someone builds a laptop and you buy the laptop and 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.080 it breaks and it's cheap and it doesn't work, then 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:36.920 the next time you're not going to buy that laptop. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.920 You're going to buy a better laptop, right, And that 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:45.800 incentive of you know, someone building a bad laptop incentivizes 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.600 competition to build a better laptop so that consumers have 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.800 that as an option. Right, And so there's a better 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:58.800 alternative out there in that scenario, underneath the capitalistic model 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.560 and under other models. But again, we live under capitalism, 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.800 police are not subjected to being any better. I'll take 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:10.360 it a step further, something that maybe lies a little 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.280 bit or maybe it's a little bit different, you know, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.920 it's it's not so capitalistic as this laptop model. Let's 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:22.040 try a hospital. If I'm sick and I go to 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.400 Hospital A, and they treat me very bad, and they 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:28.920 you know, they're they're not really giving me the right medicine. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:30.880 I have to go back a ton of times. And 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.080 then a year later I get sick again, I go 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.720 to Hospital B and they do much better, and I 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:40.480 get to choose Hospital B into the future, well into 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.360 the future, if I'm ever sick, if my children get sick, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:46.040 my family gets sick. Hospital A doesn't get as many patients, 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:50.120 they don't get as much income coming in, and eventually 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.840 they go the way of the Dodo right. Police again, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.040 are not subject to those type of forces. There's only 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.360 one number you can call, and one to partment that 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.520 will respond, provided that it's in a certain jurisdiction. And 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.520 so again there's no incentive, there's no competition, there's nothing 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:12.280 driving police to be any better. And because we've all 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.439 been influenced, we meaning ramses included rams. This is the 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.560 voice that you're hearing right now. Me I've been subjected 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:25.200 to these forces too, in particular copaganda and for those 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:30.560 that don't know, copaganda is the subtle influence of police 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:35.480 stories over the years through entertainment, movies and media and 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.840 so forth. The police are always the good guys, and 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.280 unless it's Denzel for some reason, I don't want to 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.280 make any connections there, but I'll leave you to do 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.200 it for yourself. I'm talking about the movie Training Day. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:50.600 But for the most part, police are always the good 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.720 guys and are always catching the bad guys, and so 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.280 we've learned to trust the police. Well, that is something 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.040 that was curated for the public, and it started with 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:00.760 a show called Dragnet in Los Ange And in order 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:04.920 to get those real police stories, the producers work with 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.720 the police on the episodes, and the police wanted to 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.240 make sure I think it was the Police Union or 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:15.040 the Police Community Affairs off at, whatever it was, they 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.800 worked with the producers of the show to make sure 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.240 that the police were always presented in a positive light. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:23.960 So you never got stories of police cover ups, you 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:25.800 never got stories of corruption, you never got that sort 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:27.520 of stuff. You only got one side of it. So 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:33.520 over decades, the public, myself included, became indoctrinated to assume 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:34.960 that the police were always the good guy. And I 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.400 don't want to be too harsh on police because I 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.480 don't realize that for the most part, police are who 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.200 you call, and for the most part, you know they 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.880 do the job of police, I guess, but the error 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:56.720 rate is enormous and disproportionately affects poor people, brown people, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:01.000 and black people. Hence this entire show that we do 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.760 every single week now for years plural. 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.240 The interesting thing is that even in you know, cases 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:13.240 of media, television and film where there is a bad 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:17.160 officer portrayed that in Doctor Nation kicks in, where we 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.280 see that person as an outlier, we don't look at like, man, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.600 look how corrupt the police are. It's very, very unique 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.640 to the individual that we're pointing to Ie Denzel and 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.120 Training Day, and of course there have been other examples, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:34.720 but it's the bad actor or bad faith actors in 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:38.400 those settings. The movie doesn't have to explain to us 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:43.720 that's that that's unusual. Our minds automatically assume so, because 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.600 as you said, the police are the good guys. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.960 Yeah, and you know there's something else here too. When 0:16:50.000 --> 0:17:02.320 we're talking about who's establishing sort of the the bar 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:11.040 or police, often there is no governing body that has 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:16.080 a bar that is sufficient and I say often because 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:17.960 I'm trying to use loose language, but the truth is 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:22.280 there is no governing body that establishes a bar that 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:27.240 is sufficient for all people, like the FAA, for instance. 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:35.280 If for the Federal Aviation Administration, if an airplane crashes, 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.280 you know what, if a person dies while in the 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:45.640 care of an airline, it's a five alarm fire, and 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:50.760 they will push to ensure best they can that that 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:57.600 never ever happens again. Okay, And there's no commission or 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.560 oversight or investigative body like that for police in the 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.919 United States because it's you know, based on jurisdiction and 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.360 that sort of thing. There's no real federal oversight when 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.919 it comes to this sort of stuff, no meaningful federal oversight, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:16.600 I should say. And so they're like, imagine if for 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:21.280 every one hundred flights that took off, one flight crashed, 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.640 that would be unacceptable and at some point at that rate, 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.359 people would stop flying. Sure, that's way to look. You know, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:33.080 let's go for every thousand flights, ten thousand flights that 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.520 took off, one would crash. How about every hundred thousand 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:40.640 flights one would crash? Are we starting to border on 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.320 police numbers? Or have we already surpassed it. I suspect 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.680 we've surpassed it, you know, in terms of police misconduct 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:52.240 where people are killed unnecessarily. Okay, now let's dial it back. 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.320 Let's make it live in a more meaningful context for you, 0:18:56.480 --> 0:19:03.760 our listener. If that's unaccepted the ball, then we need 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:08.240 to question why we are so comfortable accepting the reality 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.359 when it comes to police officers, because they also deal 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.439 in life and death situations, they are the ones often 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:20.560 introducing the dangerous element to the equation. Then get scared 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:23.800 when they are well protected, they have the weapon they have, 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.040 you know, then say that they're scared. Yeah, and someone's 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.000 running away. Going back and forth on this for years, 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:31.119 they say they're scared, They're not really scared. I do 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.639 not believe that these things are happening because these people 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.800 are afraid or fear for their lives. You showed up 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:39.960 and you drew your gun, and you shot someone who 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:40.640 was running away. 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.640 I'm very, very curious as to how you're the one 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.440 that was afraid for your life in that scenario. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:46.679 I always think of a gentleman I believe his name was. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.240 I believe it was like Ray Schard, Brooks. I posted 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.679 on Instagram it was smeears back but before we started 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.119 doing the show. But I was still kind of very 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.880 vocal about these sort of incidents where he was at 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.040 a fast food restaurant in the middle of the night. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:02.800 He'd been drinking, pulled his car over to go to 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:04.960 sleep in the parking lot. Police showed up, tried to 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.199 investigate whatever. He was being cooperative. Then he's you know, 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.040 the tables turned. They're like, oh, we're going to arrest you, 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.960 and he starts freaking out. So he starts trying to 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:19.359 run away. Again. Black people, as a rule, the police 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.040 haven't been very kind to us as the people over 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.800 the years. And you can look back, look at the 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:28.199 police how they handled doctor King, look at how they 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.320 sick the dogs on the protesters, the fire hoses and 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.760 all that stuff. That that was when they started filming it. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.080 It's been that way ever since. The slave patrols. Okay, historically, 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.520 we don't rock with the police because they have never 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:47.439 treated us all that good. So Rayshard tries to run 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:50.919 from the police. He's drunk, can't run, can't none of 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:52.440 this sort of stuff. They shot him in his back 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.280 on Boom Boom boom bom, as he's running away and 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:59.000 he died. Okay, officers can say they were scared. They 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.480 could say anything anything. They were scared for the people 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.320 that were across the street. As if Rishard, a drunk 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.400 man was sleep in his car is going to run 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.480 across the street and attack someone else or whatever, you 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:10.879 know what I mean. They always come up with some 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:14.080 version of the story that paints them as the victim, 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:18.160 and you know, the black man unarmed in a lot 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:22.040 of instances as the aggressor. And then the lawsuits come 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.240 and you end up paying for it. And so instead 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:27.280 of the also just to keep their job, and that 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.879 too and now being investigated, go on paid administratively. And 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.639 so let me add to that. So Sean King for 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.280 his article, he added this, He says, this is what 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.280 we are up against. One cop had forty eight cases 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.400 settled against him. That's in New York and is still 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:45.760 on the force. One cop beat a child until he 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.200 was paralyzed and it cost the city twelve million, and 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.560 he kept his job. No job in the country is 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.359 more secure than this one. And what other profession could 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.320 any of this happen and you still keep your job. 0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.160 My own organization would fire me if I behaved like this. 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.119 So let me just mention a couple of things that 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:10.080 show how taxpayer resources are squandered with police. And then 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.439 often you know, the police are shaping outcomes, life and 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.439 death outcomes for people that, as we see, don't always 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.840 deserve that. Task forces that don't produce results. We've talked 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:21.679 about that sort of stuff, drug task force and they 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.760 only get one gun off the street or one bag 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:27.199 of drugs or whatever and then pose for a picture 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:31.240 with it, right, increase police presence. That doesn't reduce crime rates. 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:33.440 It does not do that. We've talked about that many 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:37.800 times on the show. Spending money wisely for the community, 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.639 for the benit of the community that impacts crime rates. 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:43.720 Some of the solutions to consider though, is that police 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.000 should carry insurance like doctors. If they become uninsurable because 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:49.280 of lawsuits, they won't be on the force anymore. And 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:52.679 ending qualified immunity that's a big one. And also just 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:58.200 defunding the police because that will reallocating police resources branded others. 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.399 Be Defunding the police will impact crime rates better than 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:01.880 police will