WEBVTT - Catherine O'Hara: Our Top 5 Characters | #1054 0:00:21.244 --> 0:00:24.604 Film Spotting is presented by Regal Unlimited, the all you 0:00:24.605 --> 0:00:27.605 can watch movie subscription pass that pays for itself in 0:00:27.685 --> 0:00:31.365 just two visits. See any standard two D movie anytime 0:00:31.725 --> 0:00:34.805 with no blackoutdates or restrictions. Sign up now on the 0:00:34.885 --> 0:00:37.284 Regal app or at the link in our description and 0:00:37.405 --> 0:00:41.685 use code film spot twenty six to receive fifteen percent off. 0:00:45.885 --> 0:00:48.325 What kind of a show you guys putting on here today? 0:00:48.445 --> 0:00:49.565 You're not interested in art? 0:00:49.724 --> 0:00:49.884 Now? 0:00:50.284 --> 0:00:51.804 Look, we're going to do this thing. We're going to 0:00:51.845 --> 0:00:53.044 have a conversation. 0:00:55.045 --> 0:00:56.925 From Chicago. This is film Spotting. 0:00:56.965 --> 0:00:59.245 I'm Madam Kempinar and I'm Josh Larson. 0:00:59.525 --> 0:01:03.645 I just thought she was the prettiest thing that I'd 0:01:03.645 --> 0:01:07.125 ever seen, and she was there with somebody else. She 0:01:07.325 --> 0:01:14.525 was very popular back then. She had dozens of boyfriends, hundreds, hundreds. Yeah, 0:01:14.565 --> 0:01:15.485 I did not know that. 0:01:15.765 --> 0:01:20.164 Cookie Fleck, Deliadets, Kate McCallister and Moira Rose. We lost 0:01:20.205 --> 0:01:22.604 the one and only Catherine O'Hara last month. 0:01:22.925 --> 0:01:26.045 This week we paid tribute with our top five Catherine 0:01:26.084 --> 0:01:29.845 O'Hara characters that more ahead on film Spotty. 0:01:32.045 --> 0:01:32.845 Sally is. 0:01:37.765 --> 0:01:40.964 Welcome to Film Spotting. Josh favorite Paul McCartney and Wings 0:01:40.964 --> 0:01:41.444 song go. 0:01:43.084 --> 0:01:49.165 Uh Lifeline, Can I call my dad? You can? I 0:01:49.165 --> 0:01:51.085 don't know if I should be insulted by that or not. 0:01:51.165 --> 0:01:53.605 I mean, I guess I wasn't alive really when Wings 0:01:53.765 --> 0:01:57.125 was in its full glory, but not even a maybe 0:01:57.125 --> 0:01:57.844 I'm amazed. 0:01:58.405 --> 0:02:01.445 Yeah, sure, okay, I can hear that one in my head. 0:02:02.045 --> 0:02:06.165 Yeah, great favorite, we were okay, Yeah, it's a great tune. 0:02:06.165 --> 0:02:09.485 We were planning to include my conversation with director Morgan 0:02:09.485 --> 0:02:12.845 Neville about his new film Paul McCartney Man on the 0:02:12.885 --> 0:02:15.725 Run in this show. Neville an Oscar winner, of course, 0:02:15.725 --> 0:02:18.525 for the twenty thirteen documentary Twenty Feet from Stardom. He 0:02:18.565 --> 0:02:20.965 also made the mister Rogers doc Won't You Be My Name? 0:02:21.645 --> 0:02:24.285 And twenty twenty four is piece by piece the lego 0:02:24.365 --> 0:02:27.965 fied bio doc about Froh Williams. But we decided to 0:02:28.125 --> 0:02:30.924 drop it into the film spotting Feed earlier this week 0:02:31.044 --> 0:02:33.725 as a standalone episode, so by the time people are 0:02:33.725 --> 0:02:36.725 hearing this, Josh, hopefully they have already heard that what 0:02:36.805 --> 0:02:39.365 I thought was a fun conversation with Morgan Neville, even 0:02:39.405 --> 0:02:41.365 if it really was just the two of us, it 0:02:41.405 --> 0:02:44.765 turns out two bass players geeking out about how good 0:02:44.805 --> 0:02:45.685 Paul McCartney is. 0:02:46.085 --> 0:02:48.524 Well, I think the real reason is there's a rumor 0:02:48.605 --> 0:02:51.685 that we have a singing Masacre theater coming up later 0:02:51.685 --> 0:02:55.445 in this show, and we just didn't want, we didn't want, 0:02:55.605 --> 0:03:00.045 like a discussion about good legendary music to share any 0:03:00.125 --> 0:03:02.845 space with what is about to go down later. 0:03:02.965 --> 0:03:07.605 Okay, did producer Sam sneak this by? Because I wasn't 0:03:07.644 --> 0:03:10.725 aware I missed this. I should read the dot It's. 0:03:10.565 --> 0:03:15.485 Going to be rough. It's gonna be rough. Yeah, just 0:03:15.644 --> 0:03:16.245 buckle up. 0:03:18.204 --> 0:03:23.325 That conversation with morganev was recorded as a video conversation 0:03:23.885 --> 0:03:28.285 like this very episode we are taping right now. Film 0:03:28.325 --> 0:03:31.125 Spotting is available as a video podcast. You can watch 0:03:31.325 --> 0:03:34.565 that interview. You can watch this show on YouTube. For 0:03:34.605 --> 0:03:37.365 a link to video episodes, go to YouTube YouTube dot 0:03:37.365 --> 0:03:40.205 com slash film spotting or go to film spotting dot 0:03:40.285 --> 0:03:45.885 net slash episodes. Time now to talk Catherine O'Hara, and 0:03:45.965 --> 0:03:50.045 I know that we are despite the sad occasion, we 0:03:50.085 --> 0:03:55.844 are excited to talk about Catherine O'Hara, to share these characters, 0:03:55.885 --> 0:03:58.565 to share these scenes, and I don't think it's going 0:03:58.645 --> 0:04:02.445 to be a surprise, despite the great many of characters 0:04:02.485 --> 0:04:06.765 she's played in a great many wonderful films. We are 0:04:06.805 --> 0:04:09.765 going to have a fair amount of overlap here, and 0:04:09.805 --> 0:04:11.684 I think we probably have a fair amount of overlap 0:04:11.765 --> 0:04:14.485 with most people listening to this show, Josh. 0:04:15.165 --> 0:04:18.925 Yeah, I mean there are a couple of iconic characters 0:04:18.925 --> 0:04:21.125 who come to mind when you hear Katherine O'Hara, and 0:04:21.165 --> 0:04:25.005 we're going to give those roles plenty of time. I 0:04:25.045 --> 0:04:27.685 am surprised the way things ultimately shook out, though Adam 0:04:28.005 --> 0:04:32.805 is a little more outlier. Talk to use the language 0:04:32.805 --> 0:04:36.325 we apply to our top ten show and those titles 0:04:36.445 --> 0:04:38.085 at the end of the year, the best of the 0:04:38.165 --> 0:04:41.085 year that maybe only one panelist picks. I think we 0:04:41.165 --> 0:04:44.885 each maybe ended up with two outliers. But yeah, to 0:04:44.925 --> 0:04:49.044 your point, that means there are three consensus, and more tellingly, 0:04:49.245 --> 0:04:51.805 I think the three consensus we all have ranked within 0:04:51.885 --> 0:04:55.565 the top three. So it seemed like something that might 0:04:55.605 --> 0:05:00.325 be more more fitting for a general conversation and then 0:05:00.365 --> 0:05:04.525 we can talk about where we actually placed these characters. 0:05:04.685 --> 0:05:08.805 But yeah, Catherine O'Hara, definitely you have one or two 0:05:08.844 --> 0:05:11.805 faces that come to mind right away, for sure. How 0:05:11.885 --> 0:05:12.845 do you want to get started? 0:05:13.485 --> 0:05:13.605 Go? 0:05:13.685 --> 0:05:15.765 I want to share something on just to cover us 0:05:15.885 --> 0:05:19.085 a little bit because and ask a more general question 0:05:19.165 --> 0:05:22.885 about her. Basically, when this news came down, it was 0:05:22.925 --> 0:05:24.965 a shock, as we said when we first talked about 0:05:25.005 --> 0:05:28.085 it afterwards on the show, given how young she was, 0:05:28.685 --> 0:05:33.445 and felt like a loss. I don't know, I don't 0:05:33.485 --> 0:05:35.484 want to say out of proportion. Definitely not out of 0:05:35.485 --> 0:05:38.445 proportion with the talent, but maybe out of proportion with 0:05:38.605 --> 0:05:42.725 the stature in the sense that she wasn't really a 0:05:42.765 --> 0:05:47.125 star in the traditional meaning right where she had all 0:05:47.205 --> 0:05:50.445 of these films built around her. She never anchored a 0:05:50.485 --> 0:05:54.284 movie exactly on her own. So some of the legends 0:05:54.284 --> 0:05:56.205 we've been talking about in the last year who have 0:05:56.445 --> 0:06:01.845 passed away, she was in a different stratosphere. Yet for 0:06:02.085 --> 0:06:04.005 a lot of us, I think it felt like as 0:06:04.125 --> 0:06:08.725 monumental as a loss, just sort of emotionally and instinctively, 0:06:08.885 --> 0:06:11.685 it was like, ooh, one of those And so I 0:06:11.725 --> 0:06:15.485 was curious, you know, what was that? And I sent 0:06:15.645 --> 0:06:18.165 out an email asking this when I was asking for 0:06:18.645 --> 0:06:21.805 people for their favorite characters, and I got this back 0:06:21.805 --> 0:06:24.285 from Jacob Allen, which I wanted to share because I 0:06:24.365 --> 0:06:28.445 think he's onto something that also speaks for the nineties kids. 0:06:28.605 --> 0:06:31.205 Because this is an Ohara character I don't think either 0:06:31.284 --> 0:06:33.925 of us are going to include. But Jacob shared this 0:06:34.125 --> 0:06:39.404 about why losing her felt so monumental. I wonder if 0:06:39.445 --> 0:06:43.125 because so many of our earliest associations with her is 0:06:43.205 --> 0:06:46.724 as the devoted mother in Home Alone, she feels like 0:06:46.805 --> 0:06:50.645 the motherly matron saint to the film community. It sounds 0:06:50.685 --> 0:06:53.125 odd to say, but I feel so comforted by her 0:06:53.165 --> 0:06:55.645 screen presence, just as the presence of my own bomb 0:06:55.645 --> 0:06:58.965 puts me at ease. That's my favorite performance of hers 0:06:59.005 --> 0:07:02.165 has to be that of Gail in After Hours. So yeah, 0:07:02.205 --> 0:07:04.605 I think we might hear more about Gail in just 0:07:04.685 --> 0:07:07.445 a bit. But thanks for that, Jacob. That gets us 0:07:07.445 --> 0:07:09.525 to nod to Home Alone as well. But I do 0:07:09.565 --> 0:07:12.445 think raw emotionally speaking for a certain generation, maybe maybe 0:07:12.485 --> 0:07:14.085 he's onto something here. Yeah. 0:07:14.165 --> 0:07:17.765 I know there are Home Alone fans out there. I 0:07:17.805 --> 0:07:20.365 know you're not one of those, Josh, and I really 0:07:20.445 --> 0:07:22.925 have no. I don't have strong feelings about the film 0:07:22.965 --> 0:07:26.605 one way or the other. It's definitely not going to 0:07:26.605 --> 0:07:30.005 come up on this list, and it's interesting to think 0:07:30.445 --> 0:07:33.725 that maybe in the recesses of my brain, it's entirely 0:07:33.765 --> 0:07:37.485 possible that the first time I really thought about Catherine 0:07:37.485 --> 0:07:41.725 O'Hara on screen, like processed who she was, really saw 0:07:41.725 --> 0:07:43.605 that face, it might have been home alone. Now I 0:07:43.605 --> 0:07:48.245 had seen Beetlejuice before that, so ald in that way instead. 0:07:48.285 --> 0:07:51.405 But yes, it's possible that, certainly for a lot of 0:07:51.405 --> 0:07:54.085 people listening it was home alone. And so there is 0:07:54.125 --> 0:07:58.005 something comforting about thinking about her as Kate McAllister, and 0:07:58.525 --> 0:08:01.525 and in your subconscious you will always think of her 0:08:01.965 --> 0:08:05.125 in that way. I do like that sentiment as well, 0:08:05.285 --> 0:08:07.885 you know, for me, as I was especially going back 0:08:08.325 --> 0:08:13.565 through these characters and considering different people and watching different scenes, 0:08:14.245 --> 0:08:18.245 I was thinking about a line from a character played 0:08:18.285 --> 0:08:22.645 by another person who we very tragically lost this year, 0:08:22.685 --> 0:08:25.684 who we haven't paid tribute to yet, but I believe 0:08:25.765 --> 0:08:30.765 we have plans to later this year, and that's Rob Reiner. 0:08:31.445 --> 0:08:34.565 He plays a character in the film Bullets Over Broadway 0:08:34.805 --> 0:08:39.845 who famously, or maybe even infamously says, an artist creates 0:08:39.845 --> 0:08:44.245 his own moral universe. Again, watching all of these scenes, 0:08:44.285 --> 0:08:49.805 I feel like with every character Catherine O'Hara plays, she 0:08:49.965 --> 0:08:53.485 is consistently creating her own moral universe, and not just 0:08:53.564 --> 0:08:58.685 moral universe, just her own universe, she is operating. Her 0:08:58.804 --> 0:09:05.965 characters are always operating by their own set of principles, moral, ethical, 0:09:06.804 --> 0:09:11.125 you know, you name it, any framework for the world. 0:09:11.605 --> 0:09:17.005 They will never be denied. They are completely individual and idiosyncratic, 0:09:17.085 --> 0:09:19.205 and I think that's what makes them, part of what 0:09:19.325 --> 0:09:20.405 makes them so memorable. 0:09:21.045 --> 0:09:26.125 Ye, their own reality is living comfortably within their own 0:09:26.165 --> 0:09:28.645 reality and wondering what the rest of us are doing. 0:09:29.405 --> 0:09:32.245 Exactly right, So get us started. You can name your 0:09:32.325 --> 0:09:35.325 number five. We'll see where, we'll see where we land. 0:09:35.765 --> 0:09:38.165 Yeah, I've got an outlier here at number five, which 0:09:38.325 --> 0:09:43.005 is a vocal performance. It's Judith from Where the Wild 0:09:43.125 --> 0:09:46.364 Things Are. And I did want to nod to O'Hara's 0:09:46.405 --> 0:09:50.205 voice work. She's done more recently the Wild Robot or 0:09:50.205 --> 0:09:54.005 something like Elemental years earlier, franken WEENI. She's done a 0:09:54.085 --> 0:09:57.005 lot of voice work, and to me, maybe the most 0:09:57.005 --> 0:10:00.645 interesting vocal performance she gave us in Spike Jones's Where 0:10:00.684 --> 0:10:02.565 the Wild Things Are. This is two thousand and nine, 0:10:03.205 --> 0:10:08.525 and Judith is a particularly prickly wild thing. For those 0:10:08.564 --> 0:10:11.725 who haven't seen this, it's a live action adaptation of 0:10:11.765 --> 0:10:14.805 the Maurice Sundeck children's book about a kid who runs 0:10:14.804 --> 0:10:18.885 away to a land of furry monsters. And it's just 0:10:19.045 --> 0:10:23.485 one of our most unique integration of imagination, live action 0:10:23.605 --> 0:10:27.205 and special effects. So you have Max Records, young actor 0:10:27.285 --> 0:10:31.085 playing Max, this main character, and then the wild things 0:10:31.085 --> 0:10:35.365 are played by performers in these giant monster suits. Some 0:10:35.405 --> 0:10:39.205 sort of digital manipulation is used for their facial expressions. 0:10:39.325 --> 0:10:42.125 It's all completely seamless. If you haven't seen it, it works. 0:10:42.165 --> 0:10:46.325 I mean it's it really does work. The suit performer. 0:10:46.365 --> 0:10:49.444 On that note, I should credit for Judith. The O'Hara 0:10:49.525 --> 0:10:52.725 character is Nick Farnell, and then of course she is 0:10:52.804 --> 0:10:57.885 the voice and it's an interesting performance from her because 0:10:57.925 --> 0:11:01.204 she doesn't just go for laughs, though there are those. 0:11:01.885 --> 0:11:05.365 There's a real threat to Judith. It looks like this 0:11:05.525 --> 0:11:09.725 three horned monster, and she's always dancing on the line 0:11:09.725 --> 0:11:14.365 between teasing Max and then being serious about eating him, 0:11:15.085 --> 0:11:19.125 which is a continual danger in the film. Just beyond 0:11:19.405 --> 0:11:22.845 O'Hara though, where the Wild a stellar example a voice 0:11:23.085 --> 0:11:28.084 casting for talent not name recognition. This is where producers 0:11:28.165 --> 0:11:31.684 always go wrong when they go for the star. Sometimes 0:11:31.725 --> 0:11:35.885 that works Tom Hanks brilliant voice actor. More often than 0:11:35.925 --> 0:11:39.285 not it doesn't. So here you have you're going for 0:11:39.325 --> 0:11:42.645 the voice talent. You're going for James Gandolfini, Chris Cooper, 0:11:43.125 --> 0:11:47.485 Forrest Whittaker, Paul Dano, they all voice other wild Things. 0:11:47.845 --> 0:11:51.245 O'Hara is, you know, one of the standouts among them. 0:11:51.325 --> 0:11:54.965 So yeah, throwing that into the mix. Officially my number five. 0:11:55.125 --> 0:11:57.725 But starting things off with Judith from Where the Wild 0:11:57.725 --> 0:11:58.405 Things Are. 0:11:58.765 --> 0:12:01.725 I haven't seen that since it was reviewed very positively 0:12:01.804 --> 0:12:04.485 here on Film Spotting when it came out. But I 0:12:04.525 --> 0:12:08.405 love what you said there about how it's funny and 0:12:08.684 --> 0:12:12.485 she gets the laughs, but there's also that sense of danger. 0:12:12.684 --> 0:12:16.485 There's a threat there because those same and I'm not 0:12:16.525 --> 0:12:20.324 gonna say layers. I think it's more aligne. She's consistently 0:12:20.365 --> 0:12:22.605 able to walk with her characters. And the reason why 0:12:22.605 --> 0:12:26.285 I'm going to say that line versus layers may go 0:12:26.405 --> 0:12:28.965 back to something I think you alluded to earlier, Josh, 0:12:29.005 --> 0:12:32.565 which is not that in any of these roles that 0:12:32.564 --> 0:12:34.485 we're going to talk about her. In any of these movies, 0:12:34.605 --> 0:12:38.765 she's not playing a significant role, obviously, but she usually 0:12:38.845 --> 0:12:41.365 is part of an ensemble or she is a supporting 0:12:41.485 --> 0:12:44.445 character as opposed to the lead in the film, so 0:12:44.445 --> 0:12:47.885 she doesn't necessarily get a chance to show all of 0:12:47.925 --> 0:12:52.565 these layers over the course of a huge narrative character arc. Right, 0:12:52.725 --> 0:12:57.165 she has to come in and deliver in a brief 0:12:57.205 --> 0:13:00.325 scene sometimes or an extended scene, but she has to 0:13:00.684 --> 0:13:05.445 walk various lines. She has to give us different different shades, 0:13:05.965 --> 0:13:09.885 and her ability to do that is something It's going 0:13:09.925 --> 0:13:11.885 to come up again and again in my picks, and 0:13:12.325 --> 0:13:14.485 we're going to start with number five. I already mentioned 0:13:14.804 --> 0:13:17.845 this movie, and I was sure when we did this. 0:13:17.965 --> 0:13:20.165 I love I mean, your picks are great, so I 0:13:20.165 --> 0:13:23.125 don't begrudge you, and I'm glad I get to include 0:13:23.125 --> 0:13:26.605 it now as my outlier. But I know that even 0:13:26.645 --> 0:13:29.565 though I really like this film, you like it even more. 0:13:30.245 --> 0:13:32.324 I know that, even though I really like this director, 0:13:32.925 --> 0:13:35.645 you like this director even more. I am going with 0:13:35.765 --> 0:13:41.325 Delia Deets from Beetlejuice. And it's been ages, Josh since 0:13:41.645 --> 0:13:45.204 since I've seen this movie, certainly in full. I have 0:13:45.285 --> 0:13:47.365 seen a few scenes from it here and there when 0:13:47.365 --> 0:13:50.965 it's popped on TV, and it usually is fun to watch. 0:13:51.485 --> 0:13:55.405 And I enjoyed her to some extent in Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice 0:13:55.605 --> 0:13:58.804 as well. I'm gonna give credit to O'Hara for that, 0:13:58.845 --> 0:14:02.165 even if I really didn't like that movie. But what 0:14:02.405 --> 0:14:06.485 struck me rewatching scenes for this top five, and it 0:14:06.564 --> 0:14:12.325 really shouldn't have surprised me, is not how good O'Hara 0:14:12.564 --> 0:14:16.645 is at making Delia the vampy, kind of evil step 0:14:16.684 --> 0:14:21.765 mom character, this unhinged, self absorbed artist that we get 0:14:21.765 --> 0:14:26.725 to laugh at. Of course those elements are there. Maybe 0:14:26.765 --> 0:14:29.445 I did assume, Josh because it's been so long that 0:14:29.525 --> 0:14:32.005 it was a little bit more while hilarious, a little 0:14:32.045 --> 0:14:36.365 bit more one note like that, and it's so not right. 0:14:36.645 --> 0:14:41.325 You get that in moments that really deliver, for instance, 0:14:41.405 --> 0:14:46.045 the incredible side eye then turn of the head that 0:14:46.085 --> 0:14:49.645 she gives Charles, her husband, when they first show up 0:14:49.965 --> 0:14:53.045 at the house and you know she's already looking to 0:14:53.165 --> 0:14:56.325 redo all of the decorating, and he says to her 0:14:56.765 --> 0:14:58.885 that she'll finally be able to cook a decent meal 0:14:59.365 --> 0:15:04.565 in the kitchen. That look, no words, The look says 0:15:04.565 --> 0:15:08.885 everything that she gives him is so perfect and watching 0:15:08.925 --> 0:15:11.365 it is it that he insults. 0:15:11.005 --> 0:15:12.845 Her cooking that makes her so mad? 0:15:13.245 --> 0:15:15.765 Or is it that he insults her identity as a 0:15:15.805 --> 0:15:19.685 brilliant artist by reducing her to a mere housewife or 0:15:19.765 --> 0:15:23.405 is it both right? It doesn't really matter. But you 0:15:23.445 --> 0:15:26.645 know she's just staring daggers at him. But what O'Hara 0:15:26.805 --> 0:15:31.605 gives Delia in this scene, but also in every scene, 0:15:32.045 --> 0:15:36.405 without a hint of sentimentality, is real human emotion. She 0:15:36.645 --> 0:15:41.124 is as insecure and needy as she is abrasive. 0:15:41.485 --> 0:15:42.125 I love it. 0:15:42.205 --> 0:15:45.005 In this same scene, when they move in, when she 0:15:45.885 --> 0:15:50.325 has she has to, she is so compelled to tell 0:15:50.365 --> 0:15:54.285 the mover who she feels like. She has to remind 0:15:54.325 --> 0:15:58.725 him to be careful with this sculpture that it's her sculpture, 0:15:59.565 --> 0:16:03.405 not hers, like she bought it. She owns it, Josh hers, 0:16:04.005 --> 0:16:06.125 she made it, careful. 0:16:05.765 --> 0:16:07.965 That's my sculpture, and I don't mean my's and I 0:16:07.965 --> 0:16:08.245 bought it. 0:16:08.285 --> 0:16:08.965 I mean I made it. 0:16:08.965 --> 0:16:09.885 It's my sculpture. 0:16:12.125 --> 0:16:12.965 Put it on the table. 0:16:13.325 --> 0:16:15.725 When she sees that he's just giving her a blank 0:16:15.765 --> 0:16:21.005 stare back that's completely utterly meaningless to him, she then 0:16:21.725 --> 0:16:25.645 she then becomes in front of him a completely normal person. 0:16:26.125 --> 0:16:31.845 The pretense completely fades because she realizes that she's powerless 0:16:31.845 --> 0:16:34.645 in front of a guy like this who does not care. 0:16:34.805 --> 0:16:37.605 That does not impress him one bit. And you see 0:16:37.645 --> 0:16:41.925 the facade completely crumble in that moment, and so watching 0:16:41.925 --> 0:16:44.405 some scenes form Beald Juice again, you realize that it's 0:16:44.405 --> 0:16:49.005 not O'Hara playing Deliadiads. It's O'Hara playing Deliadiads, who is 0:16:49.045 --> 0:16:53.285 playing the best slash version of herself. 0:16:53.045 --> 0:16:53.965 The entire time. 0:16:54.285 --> 0:16:56.925 There's that sort of meta layer to that character. And 0:16:57.445 --> 0:17:01.085 she doesn't, of course, like any good comedic performer, which 0:17:01.085 --> 0:17:04.325 she doesn't play the comedy. She finds the humor in 0:17:04.405 --> 0:17:05.765 the heart of the character. 0:17:06.565 --> 0:17:10.445 Yeah, this really should have been my outlier pick to 0:17:10.965 --> 0:17:13.205 a degree, and it was on my rough draft. It 0:17:13.245 --> 0:17:17.325 was heard the news and started thinking about this. I 0:17:17.365 --> 0:17:22.725 think it is definitely more layered as you gust. It's 0:17:22.765 --> 0:17:24.965 for me, would have been a surefire thing if we 0:17:24.965 --> 0:17:28.685 had done O'Hara scenes, because she kicks off the Deo 0:17:28.805 --> 0:17:31.725 banana boat musical sequence. Yes, and that is just a 0:17:31.765 --> 0:17:35.125 tour de force of comedy just going for you know, 0:17:35.565 --> 0:17:41.725 this experience of being musically possessed but also snapping in 0:17:41.765 --> 0:17:44.045 and out of it. It's you know, it's like Delia 0:17:44.165 --> 0:17:47.525 doesn't just suddenly get possessed and starts singing. It's like 0:17:47.725 --> 0:17:50.885 it happens and then she comes out and recognizes asks 0:17:51.005 --> 0:17:53.445 what's happening to me? And then goes back in and 0:17:53.805 --> 0:17:57.885 the deafness O'Hara has in that sequence, yeah, I think 0:17:58.005 --> 0:18:01.325 is among her best scenes for sure. It's interesting what 0:18:01.365 --> 0:18:04.605 you say. I think we're going to come across this 0:18:04.925 --> 0:18:09.685 repeatedly in that they're our roles she's been given, which 0:18:10.445 --> 0:18:15.005 basically have one clear comic signifier to them. And I 0:18:15.005 --> 0:18:17.285 think you could say this to Delia too. And then 0:18:17.325 --> 0:18:23.125 the magic is what O'Hara weaves and rings into making 0:18:23.165 --> 0:18:27.245 this character even more than that, as you say, without 0:18:27.845 --> 0:18:31.365 necessarily the most screen time among the ensembles, she still 0:18:31.405 --> 0:18:34.805 manages to pull it off. Yeah, my other outlier I 0:18:34.805 --> 0:18:38.205 actually have ranked quite Let's let's be anire. I could 0:18:38.205 --> 0:18:39.765 do that, or I could just go to number four. 0:18:39.885 --> 0:18:41.805 Yeah, okay, I like that. No, let's let's go with 0:18:41.885 --> 0:18:42.605 your other outlier. 0:18:42.645 --> 0:18:46.645 Why not? Okay, let's hit our outliers first, and I 0:18:46.765 --> 0:18:50.645 put Moira Rose from Shit's Creek at number two. I know, 0:18:51.365 --> 0:18:54.885 I know, breaking some rules here. This is a television 0:18:55.365 --> 0:19:01.085 it's television performance. We're gonna listeners will expose themselves. Who 0:19:01.085 --> 0:19:05.365 are the comrade Josh's or Adams right in in a fury. 0:19:06.045 --> 0:19:08.765 H huh I could. I had to do it. I 0:19:08.885 --> 0:19:13.485 just had to do it because this is especially the 0:19:13.525 --> 0:19:17.885 sentimentality of doing this list now after her passing, and 0:19:18.845 --> 0:19:21.605 the joy to know that near the end of her 0:19:21.645 --> 0:19:25.325 career she was given an opportunity like this, a multi 0:19:25.645 --> 0:19:31.765 season opportunity to delve into all her improvisational comic gifts, 0:19:31.885 --> 0:19:35.325 create a character over a long series of time. This 0:19:35.365 --> 0:19:37.605 is an ensemble show, too, Adam, but in a way, 0:19:37.685 --> 0:19:39.885 this is her lead role. This is the one that 0:19:39.925 --> 0:19:46.125 maybe she didn't get in film throughout her career, And yeah, 0:19:46.165 --> 0:19:49.125 I just thought it had to be recognized here. I 0:19:49.485 --> 0:19:52.805 think my list would have been paltry without it. This 0:19:52.845 --> 0:19:55.845 is on Netflix if people haven't caught up with Shit's Creek, 0:19:56.165 --> 0:19:58.885 So right now, we're about halfway through our rewatch. We 0:19:58.925 --> 0:20:01.605 watched it when it first aired and loved it. Moira 0:20:01.725 --> 0:20:05.805 Rose is basically the disgraced former actress who's trying to 0:20:05.805 --> 0:20:10.245 rebuild her life with her spoiled family after they are 0:20:10.325 --> 0:20:14.365 forced to move to a small town having I'm not 0:20:14.405 --> 0:20:16.165 going to get to into the plot. Basically, they've lost 0:20:16.165 --> 0:20:18.685 all their wealth. Her husband here a name that's going 0:20:18.765 --> 0:20:21.485 to come up a lot Eugene Levy get to have 0:20:21.565 --> 0:20:25.525 them working off of each other and man, Adam your 0:20:25.525 --> 0:20:29.205 description at the top of her creating this own moral 0:20:29.285 --> 0:20:30.045 universe or. 0:20:30.085 --> 0:20:33.925 I'm thinking of her, I definitely, yeah, it's. 0:20:33.765 --> 0:20:36.685 A multiverse depending on what wig Moira Wit decides to 0:20:36.685 --> 0:20:42.205 wear that day the point. And I think half of 0:20:42.245 --> 0:20:46.885 Eugene Levy's wide eyed reaction shots, which is probably like 0:20:46.925 --> 0:20:49.765 eighty five percent of his performance on the show come 0:20:49.805 --> 0:20:55.965 from one of Moira's absurd proclamations. And this is in 0:20:56.045 --> 0:20:59.845 terms of both content what she says and how she 0:20:59.885 --> 0:21:03.725 says it. I think O'Hara has invented her own accent 0:21:04.085 --> 0:21:07.725 for this part. It is it is a posh draw 0:21:08.325 --> 0:21:13.045 if that's a thing. It's it's like Catherine Hepburn, but 0:21:13.885 --> 0:21:17.725 tipsy and slurring her speech. Maybe I mean to give 0:21:17.725 --> 0:21:19.405 you a sense of this. There is a super cut 0:21:19.645 --> 0:21:24.805 on YouTube her just pronouncing baby as Bebe. It's throughout 0:21:24.805 --> 0:21:28.805 the series, Yes, I seen. I think the accent work 0:21:28.845 --> 0:21:31.245 here is you know, is just a tour de fouresid 0:21:31.325 --> 0:21:33.085 its own. It's no idea of. 0:21:33.165 --> 0:21:35.965 The toller Bebe can take on its mother or it's 0:21:36.005 --> 0:21:36.645 mother's mother. 0:21:37.165 --> 0:21:38.605 Where is Bebe's chamber. 0:21:39.765 --> 0:21:40.885 You're right we should go. 0:21:41.085 --> 0:21:42.965 Justcen has that beepe thing time? 0:21:43.045 --> 0:21:45.845 Did you said you couldn't make it because of the 0:21:45.845 --> 0:21:50.405 bebe I'm curious about this too. Rewatching it on the 0:21:50.485 --> 0:21:53.125 first watch, I thought, and this speaks to your point too, Adam, 0:21:53.565 --> 0:21:57.125 Moira might be the one in this family. So there's 0:21:57.165 --> 0:22:00.085 the two adult children and then her husband, who grows 0:22:00.125 --> 0:22:02.645 the least, like over four or five seasons, there might 0:22:02.685 --> 0:22:07.485 be they all kind of some grown, become humbled, or 0:22:08.125 --> 0:22:12.125 recognize value in others. In my first watch, I felt 0:22:12.165 --> 0:22:15.245 like Moira was, let's say, the most steadfast. But I 0:22:15.245 --> 0:22:18.765 don't know. Maybe you know, especially now as we're as 0:22:18.845 --> 0:22:21.885 we're picking up on these nuances she brings to characters. 0:22:22.085 --> 0:22:25.325 I'll be eager to watch these last two seasons or 0:22:25.325 --> 0:22:27.845 so and see if I missed something and she might 0:22:27.925 --> 0:22:31.165 have might have snuck something in there on us to 0:22:31.165 --> 0:22:33.285 Moira as well. I wouldn't be surprised, But at the 0:22:33.325 --> 0:22:36.005 same time wouldn't be surprised if she had that that 0:22:36.085 --> 0:22:39.565 conviction to Moira's own reality. 0:22:40.125 --> 0:22:42.885 Yeah, steadfast is such a charitable way of putting it. 0:22:43.005 --> 0:22:43.525 I love it. 0:22:44.125 --> 0:22:47.365 I didn't include it in part because I absolutely knew 0:22:47.405 --> 0:22:50.165 you would. I figured I could leave it off because 0:22:50.165 --> 0:22:53.245 of the TV technicality, and also, not only have I 0:22:53.285 --> 0:22:56.045 not watched It's Creek twice or am not on my 0:22:56.085 --> 0:23:00.245 second viewing, I haven't finished it once. I've seen certainly 0:23:00.885 --> 0:23:04.365 the bulk of the episodes. I know my wife has 0:23:04.405 --> 0:23:08.125 seen the entire series, but I still have some homework 0:23:08.165 --> 0:23:09.925 to do, Josh. So I don't feel like I have 0:23:10.005 --> 0:23:13.005 any claim to Moira Rose like you do. 0:23:13.645 --> 0:23:15.765 You've got a lot of good stuff waiting for you. 0:23:16.085 --> 0:23:19.165 Had you gotten to the point where she was filming 0:23:19.205 --> 0:23:22.565 her schlocky horror movie The Crows have ice three the 0:23:22.605 --> 0:23:24.845 Crow name. Did you get to that yet? I did 0:23:24.885 --> 0:23:27.085 not get to that. Okay, you got good stuff ahead. 0:23:27.085 --> 0:23:27.765 I'll just say that. 0:23:28.285 --> 0:23:33.845 Well, actually a perfect transition because every actor, or almost 0:23:33.925 --> 0:23:37.205 every actor, you may know them for a breakout role, 0:23:37.685 --> 0:23:40.485 but you go look at their IMDb and they probably 0:23:40.525 --> 0:23:45.405