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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,
Speaker 1: welcomes in their episode. Welcome to another episode of The Break.
Speaker 1: We are back here in Oxnard, California. How are you
Speaker 1: guys doing great? I'm awesome. I'm so good. All right, guys,
Speaker 1: buckling your suit bell because you're in for a great
Speaker 1: ride of it here. Okay, Cowboys had their first preseason
Speaker 1: game and it was against the forty nine ers. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, these types of scores don't matter. It was
Speaker 1: seventeen nine, forty nine years one. But that doesn't stop
Speaker 1: fans to start criticizing and start talking like, man, this
Speaker 1: season's gonna stop fire. Jason Garrett, he's still here. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be here this whole season. So state ball cool? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, let's do it. Damn yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, somebody's gonna get fired. It might not be
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett in the middle of the season. I mean,
Speaker 1: could happened, that's true, but hey, NFL is a crazy beast. Ah,
Speaker 1: that is true. But in the meantime, he's here and
Speaker 1: he's expected to be here. There you go, all right, Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's go around the table and tell me your
Speaker 1: stand out from the game. Nick, get it started. I've
Speaker 1: been the guy that I picked that I've been talking
Speaker 1: about forever. Had a sack in the game. Jalen jokes,
Speaker 1: not that I saw it, because I think I was
Speaker 1: getting something like a snack or something. But I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear about it that he got a sack.
Speaker 1: That that would be. That would be kind of easy,
Speaker 1: because I mean, he's just a rookie playing well. Let
Speaker 1: let me let me say, I thought Cheeto played well.
Speaker 1: I like the what Cheeto did as a starting cornerback.
Speaker 1: He was really aggressive on the ball, knocking the ball
Speaker 1: down a little bit. Um. I thought, you know, we
Speaker 1: hadn't talked a lot about him, which is probably a
Speaker 1: good thing as a corner So Cheetah would be my guy. Dave, Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know which order you want to do that?
Speaker 1: Can I just okay? Whatever I could talk about Cheeto
Speaker 1: played great. I thought Jalen Smith looked awesome. I thought
Speaker 1: Dak looked really good. For you know, the four plays
Speaker 1: that we got to see. I don't really care about
Speaker 1: any of that. Can I just say it stood out
Speaker 1: to me how scared I am of the kicker situation
Speaker 1: for this team. Like that's if I have one takeaway
Speaker 1: from the game. That's really what I'm dealing with right now.
Speaker 1: Because we saw it all last year. We've seen it
Speaker 1: out here train camp, and it carried right on over
Speaker 1: into the preseason game. Brett maher three or four three
Speaker 1: makes that's awesome. Thirty five yard miss, that's terrifying. So
Speaker 1: and we can get more into it. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought the first team looked awesome. I
Speaker 1: thought the third team was awful. Everybody knows that if
Speaker 1: you watched. But man, I just don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do about this kicker thing. It's
Speaker 1: kind of scary. Yeah, there are quite a few guys
Speaker 1: I think. I assume we're going to get into that
Speaker 1: a little bit more and talk and talking depth about
Speaker 1: the kicker position. But there were quite a few guys
Speaker 1: I thought that stood out and it started to me
Speaker 1: with Tony Pollard just from a standpoint. Again, he didn't
Speaker 1: get a lot of carries. But what I loved about
Speaker 1: what they did with him is he had four carries,
Speaker 1: he had sixteen yards, and all of those carries were
Speaker 1: between the tackles, and so we got an opportunity to
Speaker 1: kind of see him working in that kind of capacity.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was a I don't think that
Speaker 1: was for any other purpose. And for the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: kind of put it out there that, you know, we
Speaker 1: might be all right if our twenty one doesn't show up,
Speaker 1: we might still do you talk to Jerry Jones after
Speaker 1: the game? Is that why he is? That why he
Speaker 1: said Tony Pollard is capable of cart on the whole load. No,
Speaker 1: I mean like the whole thing, like this whole thing.
Speaker 1: From the beginning, it's been very clear that Jerry's out
Speaker 1: there talking about the running back position, and it's talked
Speaker 1: about him and when he when they brought in Alfred Morris,
Speaker 1: they talked a lot about all. You know, we've been
Speaker 1: won him like we were upset that we didn't get
Speaker 1: him last year. We think he's very capable, right, I
Speaker 1: think all of that is playing into this whole thing.
Speaker 1: But what I will say just on that point, though,
Speaker 1: is I do believe that they at least publicly think
Speaker 1: that if they had to enter the season, they might
Speaker 1: be okay at running back with Pollard and the mashing
Speaker 1: together of those other guys. And I will say this,
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily I don't necessarily think that that would
Speaker 1: be a bad premise to take. Now, whether you can
Speaker 1: stand up sixteen games, who knows, but I think for
Speaker 1: whatever period of games that you would want him in
Speaker 1: there before you know, three, four or five games, I
Speaker 1: think he might be able to be a guy that
Speaker 1: could be pretty effective running in a lot of different
Speaker 1: ways between the tip goes to the outside, catching the
Speaker 1: ball out of the backfield. I think he might be
Speaker 1: able to do a little bit of all that. Might
Speaker 1: be a little bit worried about blitz pick up, but
Speaker 1: other than that, I think he might be able to
Speaker 1: handle the rest of those roles were about. Now that
Speaker 1: it was a long sentence. Um No, I think whether
Speaker 1: or not they're they're okay about it or not doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I mean, because it is what it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: who who they gonna go get and the only guy
Speaker 1: that they could really go get at this point. They
Speaker 1: they got him. Yeah, they got Alfred Morris, So they
Speaker 1: are they've already kind of done that. I mean, they
Speaker 1: might be scared to death about it, but they're not
Speaker 1: gonna say it because if they say it, then obviously
Speaker 1: that just drives up the leverage for Zeke. So I mean,
Speaker 1: but I I mean, yeah, it was good to see
Speaker 1: Paula do all that stuff and run in between the
Speaker 1: tackles and that. But I mean, I don't think this
Speaker 1: is a situation where they're like, you know what, we
Speaker 1: might be okay, this team has been built to run
Speaker 1: the ball with Zeke like that, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just reminds me of somebody who's going through a
Speaker 1: bad breakup on like Instagram and they're just real open
Speaker 1: about it and just I'm doing great, I'm amazing, I'm
Speaker 1: at the beach, i'm the gym, I'm looking my friend.
Speaker 1: I don't need you. Yeah, like that's what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are doing. And I don't buy it, just like I
Speaker 1: don't buy it when my friends do that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're miserable. I Like, if you're posting on Instagram six
Speaker 1: times a day, you're miserable. I'm sorry, That's just how
Speaker 1: it is, and that's how I feel like the Cowboys are.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm excited about Tony Pollard, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but like not to the point where I'm forgetting about
Speaker 1: twenty one. I'm not there yet. Yeah, and nor should anyone,
Speaker 1: including the Cowboys. I'm not saying that at all. I'm
Speaker 1: saying I feel like they probably are looking at this like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if he if he wants to keep holding out, we
Speaker 1: still know what our budget is. I don't think I
Speaker 1: don't think they feel like they're pressed to have to
Speaker 1: do something different than what they've already planned to do
Speaker 1: financially with him. And if he wants to show up
Speaker 1: and play with that kind of deal, then he will.
Speaker 1: And if he doesn't, I think they're gonna hold a
Speaker 1: line and be like, Okay, well we're gonna roll what
Speaker 1: we got. Yeah, now, based on I mean, you talked
Speaker 1: about the first team. Clearly they had they got into
Speaker 1: the red zone, and this is again the preseason and
Speaker 1: all that, But did it bother you or did it
Speaker 1: concern you any way that they weren't able to get
Speaker 1: into the touchdown area and score six points. You know,
Speaker 1: I wrote a whole column about that, I don't think,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't bother me yet. I'm not at the
Speaker 1: point to worry about red zone or really anything like that,
Speaker 1: because yeah, everything's vanilla. We know that. Defenses of vanilla too,
Speaker 1: I mean, and they're not trying to show a bunch
Speaker 1: of plays down there like that. And then also what
Speaker 1: they're built to run the ball and really push the pile,
Speaker 1: and they don't have that. They're running back in there
Speaker 1: to do that. The one thing you can really look
Speaker 1: at and go, this is something that will happen in
Speaker 1: the game. Is snapping the ball, holding it and kicking
Speaker 1: like that is something that like Maha is going to
Speaker 1: be doing that same thing, same play call in games.
Speaker 1: And so if you want to be concerned about that,
Speaker 1: you can because that's not preseason to him, that's a
Speaker 1: game and he's kicking. There's nothing yeah preseason about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I understand. I understand if fans have concerned
Speaker 1: just because red zone was arguably this team's biggest problem
Speaker 1: all last year. You want to see it look better, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know how many they got in there? Four times?
Speaker 1: I mean, and then yeah, all the field goals were
Speaker 1: short range, and I understand it, but like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: not bothered either because it's it's not only preseason, but
Speaker 1: it's the first game of the preseason. Like, you're not
Speaker 1: You're not handling that as if as you would if
Speaker 1: it were the season. They didn't game plan for that opponent.
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore wasn't calling anything that he wants to use
Speaker 1: during the regular season, so it would have been fun
Speaker 1: if they'd scored a touchdown. I'd way rather see Brett
Speaker 1: maher kick for that exact reason. He missed one from
Speaker 1: thirty five. I hope he kicks four in all four games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: preferably more. I hope he kicks like twenty times in
Speaker 1: the preseason, just from all angles and yardage and distance
Speaker 1: and everything, just to get a very clear idea of
Speaker 1: what we're looking at now. Jerry was asked about the
Speaker 1: kicker position and I know you were in on that.
Speaker 1: What was his response to the whole situation, and he like,
Speaker 1: I that was my lead off to the show, is
Speaker 1: how concerned I was. Jerry Jones was like, that's the
Speaker 1: only way we scored. I feel great about the kicker position.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't have a different than I did before, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would. I was kind of standing there. I was like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't bother you that he missed an
Speaker 1: extra point. I think everybody's kind of like you were
Speaker 1: expecting something, you expecting him takes something different, like, well,
Speaker 1: we would have wished it he would. He was just
Speaker 1: kind of like the one. I was okay with it,
Speaker 1: that it was good and to this point, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to freak anybody out, but I like that's kind
Speaker 1: of the organization. That's their whole attitude, Like they don't
Speaker 1: seem as concerned about MAHA as everybody else does, which
Speaker 1: you know now that for what it's worth. I was
Speaker 1: by someone that works over on the football side and
Speaker 1: I heard that person make a comment and was like,
Speaker 1: damn kicker just in general, not only this one, but
Speaker 1: in general around the guys that are out there in
Speaker 1: the market right now. And that made me feel like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: maybe Maher is their best option that they do have
Speaker 1: right now, and that's why they're sticking to it, you
Speaker 1: know how well, I know you've made it sound like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they got all this kickers chartered and this is the
Speaker 1: next one. And it's not that far different. But that guy,
Speaker 1: that guy that's on the list, I don't know what
Speaker 1: their names are, yeah, but I guarantee it's I mean,
Speaker 1: all of them they had their moment where they missed
Speaker 1: a thirty one yarder or a twenty eight yard or
Speaker 1: or something that got them out there. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know that's Mickey's favorite line, as they're on the street
Speaker 1: for a reason, but they are. But the thing about
Speaker 1: it is, too is with kickers, it's all about confidence.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like they have the confidence. I mean,
Speaker 1: Nick Folk was a pretty good kicker for a lot
Speaker 1: of years in this league, and the Cowboys had to
Speaker 1: cut him in two thousand and nine because he just
Speaker 1: couldn't make kicks right there. He went on and had
Speaker 1: a career for I don't know, eight nine more years,
Speaker 1: but right then and there, he just couldn't make kicks.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying my HER's at that point, but
Speaker 1: I mean, if they have to go get someone else,
Speaker 1: it'll be someone else that maybe that has more confidence.
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be shaky all the way. I mean
Speaker 1: it is. This game was no different than it was
Speaker 1: last year. He was three or four seventy five percent.
Speaker 1: He kicked at eighty percent last year he missed. The
Speaker 1: largest percentage of his missus came forty to forty nine yards.
Speaker 1: The next largest percentage came at thirty to thirty nine yards.
Speaker 1: So that's who he is, that's what he's been. I
Speaker 1: don't know that that's necessarily gonna change, and that may
Speaker 1: be what Jarry's point Moore was was like, look, guys,
Speaker 1: this is what we got, Like, this is what we have,
Speaker 1: and we don't think there's anybody better on the street.
Speaker 1: You kind of have to just know that this is
Speaker 1: what you're dealing with a little bit. You got an
Speaker 1: eighty percent kicker, which means he's gonna make a lot,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna miss some and some of them ones
Speaker 1: he miss missus probably have you scratched your head a
Speaker 1: little bit. Now, let's get into two injuries that are concerning,
Speaker 1: because these two guys were guys that were performing wells
Speaker 1: and they were having a good game. One very unfortunate
Speaker 1: one is lud Geffer, who's a guy we've talked about
Speaker 1: on this show for sure. What is the update on
Speaker 1: his injury and what is expected to happen here? Um
Speaker 1: I know he had an MRI yesterday. That not here.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard. It's a high he's got a high
Speaker 1: ankle sprain. Um, that pretty bad one. The fear was
Speaker 1: a dislocation, you know, right off the bat, and I
Speaker 1: was down on the field. I just remember looking at
Speaker 1: all of the doctors and trainers that kind of ran there,
Speaker 1: thought thinking, Okay, this this looks pretty bad. And it
Speaker 1: is actually you know what I mean high even it's
Speaker 1: a high ankle sprain. Those are those are tough. I mean,
Speaker 1: those are those are gonna be four to six weeks,
Speaker 1: if not more. Um, So we'll see about that. Um.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be here though, I mean he's he's on
Speaker 1: the team or he's on the team or on injury
Speaker 1: reserve or something. I think he's done enough to be
Speaker 1: like this somebody we can work with here. He made
Speaker 1: a play or interception before the nature of the injury
Speaker 1: ray is an interesting question though, because he's not done
Speaker 1: for the year, but he won't be taking part in
Speaker 1: the rest of training camp. So what do you do
Speaker 1: with him? Do you put him on injured reserve right now,
Speaker 1: which ends his season, Like if you put a guy
Speaker 1: on injured reserve during camp. He is, It's Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: all over again. He's done for the year, can't come back.
Speaker 1: You could wait until August thirty first, which is what
Speaker 1: I think they'll probably do, is put him on injured reserve.
Speaker 1: At roster cuts, he would have an opportunity to bring
Speaker 1: him back. You can designate two players to return from
Speaker 1: my rs. So he would start the season on injured
Speaker 1: reserve and you maybe see him in October. You know,
Speaker 1: the question that I have is, and this is what
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to figure out, is when he gets
Speaker 1: to August thirty first, is you know, where is he
Speaker 1: Where is he on them with his rehab? Is it
Speaker 1: coming along pretty good? Is it just a few more weeks?
Speaker 1: And then also you got to look at the roster
Speaker 1: and go, all right, how is this game going to
Speaker 1: work for the Giants game? You know, say we put
Speaker 1: him on injured reserve and we go and now we
Speaker 1: have to keep this linebacker here like a Covington who's
Speaker 1: going to be inactive. You know, if that's if that's
Speaker 1: going to be the case for a few weeks, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not on injured reserve. Well, if he's the
Speaker 1: inactive linebacker one inactive right, Yeah, that's true. It's it's
Speaker 1: tricky too. But you know, guys like you know, like
Speaker 1: a Tyrant Smith, like he's not gonna be that big
Speaker 1: of a part of most of these preseason games. It's
Speaker 1: not a big deal to carry a guy like him
Speaker 1: on the roster, But what do you do with a
Speaker 1: down the line guy like You need guys like Luke
Speaker 1: Gifford to play meaningful snaps in preseason games, So do
Speaker 1: you need that spot? Right? Yeah, it's it says a
Speaker 1: lot about how much they like him if they just
Speaker 1: carry their seventh linebacker on the roster hurt for the
Speaker 1: rest of training camp, you know. And I think that's
Speaker 1: probably what they'll do because they don't want to risk
Speaker 1: losing him on waivers, and they probably don't want to
Speaker 1: shut a season down either. So that's pretty impressive that
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent could theoretically go two and a
Speaker 1: half weeks on the roster without well, you take advantage
Speaker 1: of these days here at training camp. I mean, he
Speaker 1: did enough to have eyes on him. Sure. Now, another
Speaker 1: guy was Cedric Wilson, who I mean he got any
Speaker 1: illegal hit by safety from the forty nine ers, and
Speaker 1: it was pretty tough. He was having a pretty good
Speaker 1: game too. He was a guy that was that was
Speaker 1: making some plays, which wasn't completely surprising because he's had
Speaker 1: some of those moments out here. But he was probably
Speaker 1: I would guess, you guys, tell what you think. I
Speaker 1: would guess he's probably the best receiver on the day,
Speaker 1: on the game. If you had to say who play
Speaker 1: kind of gave you the most plays, I would say
Speaker 1: it was probably him. Would you guys agree? Back end? Guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I thought Gallup was awesome in the opening drive.
Speaker 1: But yes, it's a good catch. It that Wilson made
Speaker 1: over the middle and it was a little bit behind him,
Speaker 1: and you know it makes it a good play. I
Speaker 1: didn't love it, and you guys, I think all were
Speaker 1: up there disagreed. I didn't love the ejection there. I
Speaker 1: didn't think that was a play that needs to be
Speaker 1: ejected from the game. But um, I thought it was
Speaker 1: pretty dirty. He launched him, yeah, like he like that.
Speaker 1: He lined him up and then went to get him.
Speaker 1: That play didn't hit him in the head, though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's beside the point. The guy was. I mean, defenseless
Speaker 1: receiver is not necessarily about the head. You know, I
Speaker 1: guess I just hate the defenseless receiver thing when you
Speaker 1: when you're running a slam over the middle. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't just don't know how you're gonna be defenseless.
Speaker 1: You know it's coming, Well, you're defenseless because you're you're
Speaker 1: looking back at the ball. And so what they what
Speaker 1: they're trying to take out of the game, and what
Speaker 1: I think what they've tried, what they actually have taken
Speaker 1: out of the game is you cannot a guy that's
Speaker 1: looking back at the ball. It's the same thing as
Speaker 1: on kickcosts or whatever guy's looking somewhere else. They don't
Speaker 1: want guys getting lined up to basically take the guy
Speaker 1: out when he's not paying attention what's happening in front
Speaker 1: of That's what Jason Garrett was talking about the other day,
Speaker 1: a kind of you know, a walk off. And I
Speaker 1: don't think this was his words exactly, but he was
Speaker 1: just basically saying that if you're not looking like and
Speaker 1: then you get hit, like, are we gonna are we
Speaker 1: gonna help you out for being a dumbass? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think he said it just like that, but
Speaker 1: it's just like you're gonna be paying attention. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: and it's but that's the thing. It's not paying attention
Speaker 1: as much as it is. The ball's coming, so you're
Speaker 1: kind of looking. You're looking, definitely looking at the ball,
Speaker 1: so you can't look at two things at one time.
Speaker 1: And again this is this was you know, we all
Speaker 1: grew up in a in a with an NFL where
Speaker 1: that meant that you were looking back at the ball.
Speaker 1: And so a defensive back new, I get a free
Speaker 1: shot on this guy. They're taking it. They're taking that
Speaker 1: out of the game. It's just not gonna be a
Speaker 1: part of the game anymore. Good safety play is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things in football, Like Edward Brian Dawkins,
Speaker 1: like those you know, Troy Paul Malu, love those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's a different Like you can put a big
Speaker 1: hit on a guy going over the middle without like
Speaker 1: launching yourself at him like a projectile and like actively
Speaker 1: trying to murder him, which is what I thought that
Speaker 1: what happened on that play. So I think you can
Speaker 1: make a hit on a guy I like. I hate
Speaker 1: if it's just a good, nice hit and you get
Speaker 1: flagged for it. I hate that. But I thought that
Speaker 1: was a dirty hit. So now, what's the update on
Speaker 1: the injury. Last time he's in concussion. Um, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're probably not going to rush him, especially
Speaker 1: not during training camp. They can't rush him. So yeah,
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye him to Hawaii before Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably because he probably all right, Well, let's take our
Speaker 1: first break. When we come back, we'll keep talking about
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Speaker 1: so let's just dive right into it. Jobs Frederick with
Speaker 1: it see him as center during with the first theme,
Speaker 1: Did you guys get a chance to look at him
Speaker 1: and evaluate and get a little taste of where he's
Speaker 1: at at this point? I didn't really notice a lot
Speaker 1: from him. I didn't. Again, that's center as one of
Speaker 1: those positions where that's okay. I think there was one
Speaker 1: play right off the bat that he kind of he
Speaker 1: seemed like a guy got upfield on him. But for
Speaker 1: the most part, I did okay. He got into the
Speaker 1: game and they marched down field and he was okay
Speaker 1: and he felt fine afterward. Nine plays against live competition
Speaker 1: on the next one, and I knew he would be
Speaker 1: out there too. I thought, sure he would. Are you
Speaker 1: asking some questions after game? And I was standing there
Speaker 1: when you did the interview. Just talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about what he was talking about, like, you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you kind of I guess the questioning was more geared
Speaker 1: to having to get back in the flow and what's
Speaker 1: it like to have to give But what what's the
Speaker 1: hardest part of that? Talk about what he was saying
Speaker 1: to you. I was asking him, you know, what is
Speaker 1: the process like after a year away from the game
Speaker 1: to where this just kind of feels like muscle memory,
Speaker 1: to where you just sort of know it, like in
Speaker 1: your bones and you're not thinking about it. And he
Speaker 1: was just talking, you know, it's it's a gradual process,
Speaker 1: which you know, he made the good point that made
Speaker 1: me feel kind of silly. He was like, that's that's
Speaker 1: anybody like, obviously it's something that I've got to do
Speaker 1: coming back from a year away from the game. But
Speaker 1: you know, you have to kind of reteach yourself that
Speaker 1: just taking a regular off season off when you haven't
Speaker 1: you know, you take nine months off every offseason. Even
Speaker 1: OTAs aren't a good substitute for that. So he was
Speaker 1: taking me through just kind of the mental aspect of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I need to be moving this way, I need to
Speaker 1: be in this gap when there's two guys over here.
Speaker 1: And honestly, like talking to Travis Frederick about football will
Speaker 1: humble you real quick because you're just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this guy knows stuff that I couldn't ever hope the
Speaker 1: process and then he has to know it and execute
Speaker 1: it in about a quarter of a second. And that
Speaker 1: was the interesting part to me, is it sounded like
Speaker 1: what he was saying was the speed of having to remember,
Speaker 1: recall and execute was the part that takes a little
Speaker 1: time to get used to, like literally making his calls,
Speaker 1: the speed of being able to realize what his call
Speaker 1: needs to be and making the call, the speed of realizing, oh,
Speaker 1: I need to be in this gap and getting there,
Speaker 1: Like that's the part that he's having to reacclimate himself to.
Speaker 1: It's not knowing it is the recall and the execution
Speaker 1: in shorter time. Travis Frederick knows more about what he's
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing than anybody but that, but it
Speaker 1: also tells you how fast that stuff happens. That he's
Speaker 1: having to adapt to getting faster at that right, you
Speaker 1: have to turn it from knowing what you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing flawlessly doing it in a very short amount
Speaker 1: of time. It's not a physical thing. From what he's saying,
Speaker 1: It felt like more of a mental thing for him
Speaker 1: that he's having to adjust to it. So he definitely
Speaker 1: needs two more games, don't you think. I mean a
Speaker 1: couple more series in the second game. I think maybe
Speaker 1: the first half of the third game, assuming assuming good
Speaker 1: health for everybody, knock on woo. You remember last year
Speaker 1: the preseason got totally derailed because Zach got hurt. You
Speaker 1: want to be careful with Tyrn and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: nobody's playing in the dress rehearsal because it's not worth
Speaker 1: it to get your quarterback killed. But assuming good health,
Speaker 1: I think they'll just go on a straight line, like,
Speaker 1: you know, play the first quarter on Saturday in Honolulu,
Speaker 1: and then play after halftime when you get back, and
Speaker 1: then said everybody for the fourth one, although broad Us
Speaker 1: made the good point like do you consider doing the
Speaker 1: dress rehearsal now because of travel schedules and all that
Speaker 1: good stuff, Like they're gonna take this week in Hawaii.
Speaker 1: The practice, they're gonna take two days off after they
Speaker 1: get home from Honolulu. That'll give them three days to
Speaker 1: kind of practice and get their stuff in order for whoever,
Speaker 1: who is the is it Tampa, the third is Houston.
Speaker 1: So Brian was trying to make the point that you
Speaker 1: don't have a super long to really get ready for
Speaker 1: this third game, so maybe it's better to just knock
Speaker 1: the dress rehearsal out now. But I don't think en
Speaker 1: if I'm buying, yeah, I don't think they would do that.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's not a bad idea, but I don't
Speaker 1: know that they would do that. I think you see
Speaker 1: the starters for the first quarter on Saturday and a
Speaker 1: little bit after halftime on when they play Houston. Right. So, now,
Speaker 1: an area that we said we were gonna be looking
Speaker 1: at during this game was the defensive line and Taco
Speaker 1: Charlton how he was performing some of those defensive ends.
Speaker 1: Did you notice something that motivates you from Taco during
Speaker 1: that game? Ahead? No, I thought Taco played, Okay, I
Speaker 1: thought is comments after the game were even better because
Speaker 1: the thing about honestly, I think he was like exercising
Speaker 1: a lot of just whatever at that moment, like a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff just yeah, a lot of stuff probably
Speaker 1: just came out that he's probably been thinking that he
Speaker 1: hadn't really had a chance to voice. Basically, what he
Speaker 1: was saying was, look, I've I've given up trying to
Speaker 1: get people's approval U at this point. The way I
Speaker 1: feel about it is, you know, I just gotta do
Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to do. My guys got my back.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep trying hard and hopefully everything works out
Speaker 1: to the you know, the best that it can possibly be.
Speaker 1: But um, I don't know. I thought it was refreshing
Speaker 1: to hear him talk like that, and I'm about the
Speaker 1: part where he was talking about how his agent sets
Speaker 1: the tone. Yeah, well, you know, to me, that was
Speaker 1: to me, that was just kind of him pointing to
Speaker 1: at some point, I'm gonna be a free agent, and
Speaker 1: if I do the things I'm supposed to do, then
Speaker 1: I'll still be in control and I'll have the last
Speaker 1: laugh at all of this is the way I took it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you tell me what you I didn't. I honestly,
Speaker 1: I didn't really understand it. I was like, is he talking,
Speaker 1: He's saying like his agent's gonna help him get a trade,
Speaker 1: or like his agent's gonna help him. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: up here in what another year to years too? H well,
Speaker 1: two seasons if you count this one. So I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean they don't pick up his option. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I mean I just think he's probably like, look, I
Speaker 1: can't I can't control what people think of me. I
Speaker 1: ultimately can just go out and do what I can
Speaker 1: do on the field. We'll see what happens. The line
Speaker 1: he said, if when I play when I when I
Speaker 1: play good, people think it's bad. When I play bad,
Speaker 1: people think it's terrible. Ye, like, which is probably true
Speaker 1: right now, and that it's part of that is his
Speaker 1: own doing, because he hasn't been great up until this,
Speaker 1: you know, hold on, give the fans and everybody a
Speaker 1: little bit more credit when when he does good and
Speaker 1: people people don't think that's bad. Like, so I would
Speaker 1: say this, expectations for good. I will say this. I
Speaker 1: think I hear what he means is like when he
Speaker 1: does good. Like you know, he got a sack the
Speaker 1: other day and I was taking video of it and
Speaker 1: somebody behind me yelled finally, right, like that's the point,
Speaker 1: not that it's bad. But like even when he does well,
Speaker 1: it's like thanks, well, thanks for something. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. And I think even out here,
Speaker 1: and that's a good example, but I think just throughout
Speaker 1: his play out here, like he never been some days
Speaker 1: he's been pretty good, and I think most people buying
Speaker 1: large is kind of like, uh okay, yeah, okay, And
Speaker 1: I just he's not gonna get the benefit of the
Speaker 1: doubt as the point, so he's gonna have to play really,
Speaker 1: really well because he's not gonna get the benefit. Now,
Speaker 1: it's a first world problem, but I feel, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel for him because the only way to win,
Speaker 1: the only way to win in that situation is to
Speaker 1: play well like that, that's the only way you can
Speaker 1: play really well. Yeah, that's just good. Great. I hope
Speaker 1: it's true that he let that stuff go, because like
Speaker 1: if you follow, if you're on social media and stuff like,
Speaker 1: you can tell that stuff has gotten to him in
Speaker 1: the past. That's got to be rough for any player.
Speaker 1: So I hope, I hope he's right that he's put
Speaker 1: that behind. You know, that's probably the first time a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys have to deal with that because
Speaker 1: in college. In college, you don't get that same level.
Speaker 1: Even at schools like yours where fans are very much involved,
Speaker 1: you don't get that same level level Texas. But I
Speaker 1: was I know because you know, because you're you're one
Speaker 1: of those fans for LSU. But I mean my point
Speaker 1: is that it's like you don't get that level of
Speaker 1: vitriol in college, Like that's not that's not what you get.
Speaker 1: It's not until you get to the NFL where people
Speaker 1: that are fans of your team will be like you
Speaker 1: sung usually like if you're good enough to be a
Speaker 1: first round pick, you were a baller at your college,
Speaker 1: so you know people aren't hating on you. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you can have a bad game in college and people
Speaker 1: are like sor right. You know, It's funny when you
Speaker 1: go into the locker room after the game and things
Speaker 1: have changed over the years, but every single one of
Speaker 1: those guys when you walk in is looking at their phone.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure I'm sure they got a lot of
Speaker 1: text messages too, but they're probably looking at Twitter and
Speaker 1: looking at their mentions and seeing who's talking about him.
Speaker 1: I get notifications for half the players on the team,
Speaker 1: Like they started popping off before the media is even
Speaker 1: allowed in. It's like the first thing they do. Some
Speaker 1: of them, not everybody, but yeah, it's one of them
Speaker 1: that here anymore. True. Yeah, he's notorious for it's on
Speaker 1: the bus, just going crazy with his things. A lot
Speaker 1: less exciting with his wife. Get in there a little bit.
Speaker 1: She'll get in there and defend his man um. So
Speaker 1: who would be someone else from the D line that
Speaker 1: you notice that's twoed out yesterday? I'll put off Carrie Hyder.
Speaker 1: He played Oh my god, he murdered that guy, but
Speaker 1: he played pretty well. I mean, I don't think any
Speaker 1: of us disagree. I think he's gonna be on this team,
Speaker 1: just a matter of what role he is gonna play.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's played well out here during practices,
Speaker 1: and I think he was good in the game. I
Speaker 1: think the Quinn suspension just kind of solidified his spot
Speaker 1: to be here, you know, at least at least for that,
Speaker 1: you know, for a couple of weeks. Um and and
Speaker 1: those other guys. I mean, I don't know if both
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson and Jalen Jokes can make this team. No,
Speaker 1: I don't see where right now because is gonna make it.
Speaker 1: Where are you going. I think Jolkes had the sack,
Speaker 1: but I think if you had, if you had to
Speaker 1: pick right now, I think it would be Joe Jackson.
Speaker 1: I think he's been better all around. For he's he's
Speaker 1: one of those dirty work guys like he can, he
Speaker 1: can play the run, he's he's good in pursuit. You
Speaker 1: know he hasn't he hasn't been as great of a
Speaker 1: pass rusher as others, but wide rounded guy. You might
Speaker 1: have to keep them both. I really think you might
Speaker 1: have to and then figure something out when you get
Speaker 1: to the when Quinn comes back. How many d Lineman
Speaker 1: you're keeping twenty let's look at it. I think eleven
Speaker 1: is like eleven is as men As is the absolute max.
Speaker 1: And got Woods, Crawford Malik, I'm not gonna go Tacco yet.
Speaker 1: Um D L D Law. That's four Armstrong, Tristan Hill, Robert,
Speaker 1: he doesn't count. Get Robert Quinn right now? Okay? Um
Speaker 1: Hyder yep? Where are we at? Seven? Did you get
Speaker 1: Christian Covington Covington? Okay? Eight? Did you get in? You
Speaker 1: got Antoine Woods? Yeah? Taco Taco on there? And did
Speaker 1: you say Hyder no? Yeah, he did it? Hider so
Speaker 1: here here it is. I got nine guys, and I've
Speaker 1: got three three players for two spots. If we go
Speaker 1: with eleven, and those three players I think right now
Speaker 1: would be Joe Jackson, Daniel Wise, Jalen Jones. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you mentioned why is because that's who I was gonna
Speaker 1: bring up next, which I don't want to just completely
Speaker 1: rip off Brian's notebook. You should go read it on
Speaker 1: the website if you haven't. But um, he was raving
Speaker 1: about Daniel Wise and Ricky Walker too for that matter.
Speaker 1: Who walk Ricky Walker is? You know, no offense to him.
Speaker 1: He is probably like the most forgotten man at this camp,
Speaker 1: Like he's he's the last in line on the most
Speaker 1: loaded position. But he made a good accounting of himself
Speaker 1: in the game. But Wise, to me is really interesting
Speaker 1: because it seems like he's got some juice as a
Speaker 1: three technique. They've put him on the edge a little
Speaker 1: bit out here, so he's got that position flex we
Speaker 1: love to talk so much about. I thought he played
Speaker 1: well somebody something yeah, something, but something. You know, I
Speaker 1: got three more games something You're probably gonna happen to
Speaker 1: shake it out. I mean we I mean it couldn't
Speaker 1: have played out any more perfectly than it did with
Speaker 1: the receivers like John Vay all day and then he
Speaker 1: had a terrible game like it and you know it
Speaker 1: was lancelin Or all over again. He had two drops,
Speaker 1: he did rebound, he had some nice catches. But you know,
Speaker 1: we go into the game like, man, how they're gonna
Speaker 1: there's so many amazing receivers and you come out of
Speaker 1: the game and you're like, just get the only guy
Speaker 1: that played well? Is it can cussed? Like that's that's
Speaker 1: that's where Yeah, that's where we're at right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we say all this stuff, and they're gonna claim a
Speaker 1: guy that gets cut and they'll have him a fifth,
Speaker 1: sixth receiver. That's also the thing, like you start getting
Speaker 1: to those other guys, and like we talked about earlier,
Speaker 1: like every team has one or two of those guys
Speaker 1: in their camp that they're like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: they gotta keep this guy. You don't want to expose him.
Speaker 1: And everybody's got one of those young guys that's kind
Speaker 1: of flashing a little bit. I will say, though, I
Speaker 1: do wonder like every year there's a receiver and everybody's
Speaker 1: always concerned that he won't make it to the practice squad,
Speaker 1: and he does. But if you, if you, if you're
Speaker 1: flashing something as a pass rusher, I do think that's different.
Speaker 1: I agree with you don't want to expose, right, it's
Speaker 1: the receivers that I'm talking about that And when I
Speaker 1: say every team has one of them at the receiver position,
Speaker 1: I think every team has one or two guys at
Speaker 1: camp that's like flashing. Every single team has a receiver
Speaker 1: and a running back that they're like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how you get into. Yeah, but if Daniel Wise or
Speaker 1: Ricky Walker or Joe Jackson or Jalen Jokes, Like, if
Speaker 1: those guys keep this up and you really feel that
Speaker 1: type of way about him, it's not worth the risk
Speaker 1: to expose them to the waiver wire. Now, let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and tap into the whole safety position, which is
Speaker 1: a position we on this show are known to talk
Speaker 1: about for several years now. With the guys that Chris
Speaker 1: Rushard has been training and coaching. Who would be a
Speaker 1: guy that kind of stood out to you in that
Speaker 1: regard safety? Yeah, safety Donovan Wilson with the pick obvious one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: aside from him, anybody else you know, who's twenty three Thompson,
Speaker 1: Darian Thompson and C. J. Goodwin. You know those guys
Speaker 1: are interesting just because you know that their special teams plays.
Speaker 1: What's what's keeping them kind of around or keeping them
Speaker 1: on the forefront. I guess could that affect the Galla
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier, I think so. I you don't really know.
Speaker 1: A couple plays there in a in a row. He
Speaker 1: kind of got trucked a little bit and one of
Speaker 1: them was a touchdown. Um, And I don't know if
Speaker 1: Loca too. I mean, I wouldn't know if you had
Speaker 1: if you had to pick it right now, though, you
Speaker 1: gotta have a backup safety. Yeah, that's with some experience.
Speaker 1: Do you want Frasier? I think if if a kid's
Speaker 1: special teams got too, If Cavan makes this team and
Speaker 1: I want him to, it will be because he's a
Speaker 1: special teams ace core guy. Like, I don't think you're
Speaker 1: keeping him with the expectation that he's gonna do a
Speaker 1: lot at safety for you. He's been declining and it's
Speaker 1: like to me, he has started fading away a little bit.
Speaker 1: He he's not doing much as he used to. And
Speaker 1: then again he I guess last year he was hurt
Speaker 1: right like here and there. He was always with a
Speaker 1: little something. And earlier this camp didn't he have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he came in. He had a knee procedure in the
Speaker 1: spring that he was coming off of. But I mean
Speaker 1: he's he's out there, he's practicing. He yes, he is,
Speaker 1: but it's just I don't know it. No, you don't
Speaker 1: notice him as much. Well, he's at that point in
Speaker 1: his career in my opinion, where he's got to be
Speaker 1: clearly better than the younger guy. Because it's at that
Speaker 1: point where it's like, okay, well we can kind of
Speaker 1: keep getting what we're getting from him, or we can
Speaker 1: go with the younger guy that can give us a
Speaker 1: similar production. But and so that that's what makes it
Speaker 1: harder for him. As he keeps getting older, it makes
Speaker 1: it harder for him just to be that guy. He's
Speaker 1: got to take that next step. I will say. You know, again,
Speaker 1: this coaching staff loves veterans who know what they're doing. Though,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if if Keith O'Quinn feels like
Speaker 1: he can play all the teams and get his assignments
Speaker 1: right and if he needs to, he can do some
Speaker 1: stuff on defense, that might be valuable to them. And
Speaker 1: you know, every team's got to Every team has a
Speaker 1: safety on the roster who like, well, if he learns
Speaker 1: how to cover, we could have something here. So but
Speaker 1: they have other guys that are core special teams guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, they know Heath is a good special teams player.
Speaker 1: Olali is a good special like. They got other guys
Speaker 1: here that are good special teams players. So I don't
Speaker 1: know that he's like they're a special teams guy. It
Speaker 1: would not surprise me if the roster crunch catches up
Speaker 1: with him, which would bum me out because I love
Speaker 1: him to death. It's a great guy. I just I
Speaker 1: know that as you get older in the NFL, that's
Speaker 1: it's a young man's game. If you're not providing something
Speaker 1: significantly better than the younger guy, take a stop to
Speaker 1: take a moment to consider you're calling a twenty five
Speaker 1: or six year old old old. Absolutely, that's the nature
Speaker 1: of the NFL. How does that make you feel? It's different? Really,
Speaker 1: we had to go there for us. I'm being nice. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't just say it. I ask a question. Now,
Speaker 1: how about like that strategy? Yeah? I like that strategy?
Speaker 1: Real which this is I guess this is my fault
Speaker 1: because I started the show off by whining about the Kicker,
Speaker 1: which I don't regret, but it's it seems harsh that
Speaker 1: we've gone this far into the show and nobody brought
Speaker 1: up Blake Jarwin. Actually I wanted to bring him up
Speaker 1: as a guy that played well, played really well. He
Speaker 1: really and I still I really like him. I stand
Speaker 1: by my belief that he's going to have to work
Speaker 1: really hard to take snaps away from Jason Witten. I
Speaker 1: I gotta see that to believe it. But he looked nice,
Speaker 1: and he looks like a guy who could be really
Speaker 1: valuable in a scheme where the offensive coordinator knows how
Speaker 1: to use him. The more I've thought about it, though,
Speaker 1: I don't know that he has to take him away
Speaker 1: from him, because I think the one thing I know
Speaker 1: about the scene they love they love to tight end
Speaker 1: plenty of so he's gonna get on the field a lot.
Speaker 1: And I'm what I'll be interested to see is sometimes
Speaker 1: when they're in twelve personnel, they'll keep one tight end
Speaker 1: back to extra to have an extra blocker. I wonder
Speaker 1: how that transition works, like because it up a little
Speaker 1: bit more and Blake's going out, Like, let's keep an
Speaker 1: eye on that, because that'll be something that'll that'll be
Speaker 1: a tear. You won't see it in the number of snaps,
Speaker 1: but you will see it in the number of times
Speaker 1: that Blake's going out versus going out. I saw that.
Speaker 1: You know, it was a really first It was a
Speaker 1: really nice play action, which yeay, play action. That's exciting. Um.
Speaker 1: He ran a crossing route and got behind the linebackers
Speaker 1: and it was a nice pickup. But the play that
Speaker 1: actually got me really excited was not even a catch. Um.
Speaker 1: He went down the seam and Cooper Rush missed him.
Speaker 1: I think he might have drawn a flag. Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: missed him down the scene, but he was there and
Speaker 1: he made a nice effort to get try to get it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yes, send the athletic tight end
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty yards down the field. That's what we
Speaker 1: need to be doing. So that. It was exciting just
Speaker 1: to see that, and I think he's capable of making
Speaker 1: plays like that. He did it in the Giants game
Speaker 1: last year. I'm I'm intrigued. I'm very intrigued by mister Jarwin.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and take our final break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we need to dive into the backup quarterback position,
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Speaker 1: Back to the Break, Welcome back. This is the final
Speaker 1: segment of the Break, and unfortunately for Dave, we do
Speaker 1: have to talk about these backup quarterbacks. Cooper Rush Mike
Speaker 1: White both got a previous cinemon of place in the game. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's just start off with the one that did better,
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. Yeah, I mean he he did a nice
Speaker 1: job out there, and he you know, threw a few
Speaker 1: good balls around and you know, I thought he's he's uh,
Speaker 1: he took a step forward because and it was two
Speaker 1: steps ahead because then Mike White took a huge step back.
Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of people were like sending me
Speaker 1: messages and saying, well, you know, it looks like there's
Speaker 1: a roster spot there. There's two quarterbacks because that guy's
Speaker 1: not gonna make the team. I tried to I tried
Speaker 1: to help Mike out because from my perspective, like I
Speaker 1: was sitting there, I was like, this guy doesn't have
Speaker 1: any time, Like he's getting killed. He's with the third team.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. It to me. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not a guru. It didn't it didn't look like
Speaker 1: he had a lot to work with. So I go
Speaker 1: to Brian. I was like, you watched it back, like yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, like he didn't have time, right. He
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, Dave, like he he had all
Speaker 1: the time he needed, like he he won't throw the ball.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, crap, all right, I don't have for
Speaker 1: Brian to be like, man, I was wrong about that.
Speaker 1: That was a guy, Brian. If you want to hear
Speaker 1: somebody just go off on themselves, Like nobody hates Brian
Speaker 1: more than he hates himself when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Like Joey Harrington was his guy that didn't work out.
Speaker 1: He had a third round grade on Mike White, which
Speaker 1: he's we're not burying the guy yet, but not a
Speaker 1: great start to think. But either, oh, Paxton Lance, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was his favorite. He liked him more than wins
Speaker 1: and gone. And even when you talk about the fumble, like,
Speaker 1: that's still on the quarterback. He's gonna share up. And
Speaker 1: in that instance, I didn't think he necessarily need to
Speaker 1: step up when he did. But even if he felt
Speaker 1: like he needed to, he's still got to protect the ball.
Speaker 1: That's his responsibility to protect the ball when he's having
Speaker 1: to go through the line, and he didn't. And so
Speaker 1: that regardless of what you think about whether he held
Speaker 1: the ball or should have got rid of it or
Speaker 1: had time or whatever, you still got a responsibility as
Speaker 1: a quarterback hold onto the ball and he didn't. Did
Speaker 1: you feel better? Do you feel better about Cooper Rush
Speaker 1: than you did on Saturday afternoon? Actually? I do? I
Speaker 1: think I do too, Actually I do. And I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see I'd like to see, you know, I'd really
Speaker 1: like to see is I'd like to see him work
Speaker 1: with the ones in a preseason game for a little bit,
Speaker 1: just to see what would he do if he were
Speaker 1: in a game and Dad goes down and he's got
Speaker 1: he's got to play. I want to see what he
Speaker 1: looks like behind that line with those weapons. Can he
Speaker 1: still move him down the field, because that's really what
Speaker 1: the job is is if the quarterback goes down, can
Speaker 1: you fill in as the backup quarterback. I haven't really
Speaker 1: seen anything that suggests me either one of them is
Speaker 1: necessarily ready for that, but I'd love to see it,
Speaker 1: just so I can start get an opinion. That's what
Speaker 1: Parcels did for Roma. Remember two thousand and five, he said,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm just gonna let this guy take the
Speaker 1: whole game, and bledso wasn't really happy about it. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you would want to
Speaker 1: do that and get your offensive line, I'll started writing
Speaker 1: on the wall, right, yeah, but I mean, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a little I mean but but the difference there is
Speaker 1: that you're thinking, maybe he's going to be a future
Speaker 1: and you're about to sign Dac to do all that. So, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I if he goes that for
Speaker 1: you know, far, I think you just had to see
Speaker 1: it when you see it. When it's unfortunately, if that happens,
Speaker 1: where he has to go in the game, but I
Speaker 1: thought he did a pretty good job. This is the
Speaker 1: question I've been asking myself, and my goal for the
Speaker 1: week is to ask it to an important person off
Speaker 1: the record now, like I'm sorry, more important than you,
Speaker 1: like you know, VPS type of importance, like that type
Speaker 1: of stuff. But at what point, there's like a there's
Speaker 1: a line here. At what point are your backup quarterbacks
Speaker 1: so bad that a guy that has no familiarity with
Speaker 1: your scheme or anything is better? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because when it comes when you're when it comes down
Speaker 1: to it, they're gonna say Cooper Rush or or Mike
Speaker 1: White whatever. This guy's been here for two years. He
Speaker 1: knows the offense, he knows Kellen, he knows Dak, he
Speaker 1: does this, he does that, he knows our calls, he
Speaker 1: knows our plays. So he's better, Like he might not
Speaker 1: be better, but it's a negligible difference. So how much
Speaker 1: better does somebody else's guy have to be to where
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't care that he doesn't know anything
Speaker 1: about this team. Get him in here. And I don't
Speaker 1: know the answer that, Like I have my doubts that
Speaker 1: a quarterback that will be made available at roster cuts
Speaker 1: is going to be that much of an improvement, I think,
Speaker 1: because if he is, and he wouldn't be available, right,
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to he has to come
Speaker 1: in and play. So I think the question of that
Speaker 1: is when that guy actually needs to come play. So
Speaker 1: are you going to just bring a guy in to
Speaker 1: be a backup quarterback? I don't know, but if if
Speaker 1: you have, I think if Dak were to get hurt,
Speaker 1: I think that you didn't, that's when you would say,
Speaker 1: all right, this guy's gonna come in here and play.
Speaker 1: We gotta get him ready. Maybe plays, but at some
Speaker 1: point you have to. I think that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: been the mantra the last year, maybe two. But I
Speaker 1: think it's some point you got to get to a
Speaker 1: point where you're like, Okay, we have a backup quarterback
Speaker 1: for a reason, and if he's here, then he is
Speaker 1: that person that's going to play. It's not gonna be
Speaker 1: a well he's our guy that we're kind of getting
Speaker 1: ready for that day. But but at what point is
Speaker 1: he's like ready to be your backup your head coach
Speaker 1: that's here has actually lived it. So he was the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback until Troy really got hurt and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden they had to go get someone else.
Speaker 1: If Dad gets hurt, it's gonna be twenty fifteen all
Speaker 1: over again. Like they'll do it. They'll do a trade
Speaker 1: for somebody, or they'll convince Josh McCown to come out
Speaker 1: of retirement. They'll pay him a nice salary. To me,
Speaker 1: that begs the question, then is he really a backup
Speaker 1: quarter Like, well, he's not a backup quarterback? Question, he's
Speaker 1: a I mean he is because he can do that
Speaker 1: stuff and he helps you practice and stuff. But like,
Speaker 1: I don't believe either one of these guys would be
Speaker 1: their answer if they needed him for a long time.
Speaker 1: You mentioned, but I mean, what are you What are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Well, get get the guy that get
Speaker 1: the guy that you think actually is going to be
Speaker 1: your backup quarterback, because if it comes down to it,
Speaker 1: I want that guy here as much time as possible.
Speaker 1: Is that you're you're saying he's gonna magically be available
Speaker 1: at the time. Then what I'm trying to tell you
Speaker 1: in nice terms is that they're screwed if the starter
Speaker 1: gets hurt. But they will, if it comes down to it,
Speaker 1: they will do something desperate to help themselves because like,
Speaker 1: they don't need Josh McCown here right now, but if
Speaker 1: they don't have a quarterback, they will and they'll say,
Speaker 1: we'll give you ten million dollars to come try to bail.
Speaker 1: I guess that's my point is so if if you
Speaker 1: think that's the case, then get him here now, is
Speaker 1: my opinion. Why wouldn't you just why would it because
Speaker 1: you don't need him right I don't need him right now?
Speaker 1: Is it good? No? But like it's there's only it'll
Speaker 1: be better if he's been here and he has to play.
Speaker 1: Then if you bring him in off the street and
Speaker 1: he's got him, you're not gonna give a guy like
Speaker 1: that that kind of money just in case like not,
Speaker 1: I mean, like there are teams to pay their backup quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a long term plan, and you could make the
Speaker 1: argument they should have a better option, and they probably
Speaker 1: will next year, like next year, unless something crazy happens
Speaker 1: and Mike White becomes the savior or Cooper Rush for
Speaker 1: that matter. You guys don't think do you guys think
Speaker 1: that Cooper Rush has the ability to get there? Like
Speaker 1: do you think his trajectory will get him to the
Speaker 1: point where he is legitimately your back up and you
Speaker 1: feel like he is the guy who's gonna lead you
Speaker 1: in the event your starter goes down. No, not really,
Speaker 1: but because that's why I'm saying, didn't. You're just spinning
Speaker 1: your wheels. What's the point We're not they're not spinning
Speaker 1: the wheels, Like they don't have a way to upgrade
Speaker 1: that position right now short of like doing something crazy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you could try to
Speaker 1: draft another one next year or sign an undrafted free
Speaker 1: agent next year, Like I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you do about it right now, And that's kind of
Speaker 1: my point. I mean, they did that. They drafted a
Speaker 1: quarterback in the fifth round that they thought was was
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, that thought at this point he should
Speaker 1: definitely be better than Cooper Rush. And it hasn't happened. Ye, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it didn't work. There's there's not a whole lot
Speaker 1: you can do about it right now. Like some quarterbacks
Speaker 1: will become available when camp is over, but again, like
Speaker 1: will they be drastic upgrades? I guess it would be interesting.
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll do a Kellen Moore type of thing. You know,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore got here on the practice squad. If you'll remember,
Speaker 1: he was Lenahan's guy, like maybe Kellen Moore, like somebody,
Speaker 1: and they'll bring in a guy like, hey, maybe we
Speaker 1: can work with this guy and see what he's got.
Speaker 1: It's not out of the realm possibility. No one's gonna
Speaker 1: ever think Cooper Rush can do it until he has
Speaker 1: to do it. I mean, you're just not gonna ever
Speaker 1: think that way. I don't think so. You've got none
Speaker 1: of you guys think think that way. But if he
Speaker 1: were to get her and he they're down by seven
Speaker 1: to the Eagles, and he goes and drives him down
Speaker 1: and wins the game, and then in overtime he goes
Speaker 1: and they win the game, We're gonna be thinking completely
Speaker 1: different about this guy. Da Prescott, Dak Prescott. He's an
Speaker 1: exact example because we all thought they were crazy when
Speaker 1: they say it, we're just gonna roll with him. It's like, really, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jamille Showers is better than this guy. You're just gonna
Speaker 1: roll with him. Yeah, Okay, I mean everybody was seeing
Speaker 1: Glad get somebody off the street do not roll, and
Speaker 1: they went with it and it worked. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: just what's gonna take but maybe that just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Maybe Dak just plays. I mean, Dak's Dak's built like
Speaker 1: a tank, not doing anything, but you can throw it
Speaker 1: and running can catch. He did catch. He did catch.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say this. This isn't necessarily about the quarterback,
Speaker 1: but it's just something I've been mulling over since Saturday night.
Speaker 1: I haven't run numbers on it, but just anecdotally having
Speaker 1: watched all of their preseason games for five years, Like
Speaker 1: when you get into the second half of these games
Speaker 1: and it's just backups playing street ball with each other basically,
Speaker 1: Like why it just seems like the Cowboys are always
Speaker 1: like overmatched, Like it seriously looked like they get their
Speaker 1: butts killed by the time third teams were in there.
Speaker 1: It was like you did it felt like that it
Speaker 1: happens all the time, like it happened last year, Like
Speaker 1: it is a normal thing for the Cowboys to not
Speaker 1: score touchdowns in the preseason, Like that's just a thing
Speaker 1: that happens. I feel like, and I wonder why, Like
Speaker 1: is the other team scheming? Like are they trying harder
Speaker 1: at scheming? And the Cowboys are kind of like we
Speaker 1: just kind of want to see him in a natural environment,
Speaker 1: because that's what Garrett always says. He just kind of
Speaker 1: wants to roll the ball out there. Maybe the other
Speaker 1: team is trying harder to scheme stuff up because we
Speaker 1: sit here all the time and talk how deep this
Speaker 1: roster is, Well, it doesn't look very deep when the
Speaker 1: third stringers are just getting bullied. And that's it looked
Speaker 1: like the third team offense. Their first first down that
Speaker 1: wasn't a penalty came on that it was the final
Speaker 1: drive where they tried to go tie the game, Like
Speaker 1: that's when they got their first first down of the half.
Speaker 1: Were they trying to tie the game or try to
Speaker 1: air quotes tie the game? Where I think they would
Speaker 1: have I think they would have kicked the extra point,
Speaker 1: And that's that is peak preseason. You're like, well, we'd
Speaker 1: rather see our kicker try an extra point than tie
Speaker 1: this game. He would be crucified with any decision that
Speaker 1: he went. He'd Jason if he would have tried to
Speaker 1: tie the game in overtime to force overtime for preseason,
Speaker 1: but if he also just kicked it and said, and
Speaker 1: how many people would say, you don't even care about winning?
Speaker 1: This guy? That is just a chance. The vast majority
Speaker 1: of intelligent fans would say, good, get mahers some work
Speaker 1: kicking extra. There are plenty of stupids, of course, there
Speaker 1: are plenty of stupids who would be like, you play
Speaker 1: to win the game. Like the number of tweets I
Speaker 1: got on Saturday night that was like, I know it's preseason,
Speaker 1: but I want to win. Damn it. I'm like, how
Speaker 1: are you? How do you still feel? No, no, it's preseason,
Speaker 1: but stop, I know it's preseason. Well, I will say
Speaker 1: this about the offensive line in particular, like they had
Speaker 1: some guys out there playing into the fourth quarter that
Speaker 1: were guys that might be starting for this team due
Speaker 1: to you know, injuries or whatever. Like, there are some
Speaker 1: guys out there they had played that have started for
Speaker 1: this team in the past. Um. And you know, particularly
Speaker 1: Xavier stuel Filo, he had some he had some tough
Speaker 1: moments out there in the fourth quarter. Yeah, I personally
Speaker 1: was wondering whether he was, you know, really physically ready
Speaker 1: to play a full game, Like he basically played a
Speaker 1: full game out there. Um. But so if you're just
Speaker 1: talking about this talent level, there was cowboys at talent
Speaker 1: level out there. They just for whatever reason, in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter looked like they were getting it. I just
Speaker 1: a little bit for what For whatever reason, in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter of these preseason games, it often looks like
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are not playing football on offense specifically, like
Speaker 1: the defense. You know, I expect, I expect growing pains
Speaker 1: from rookie dbs and stuff like that. But often I'm
Speaker 1: just like, but is it also maybe the coordinate And
Speaker 1: now every team does this, so it's not like the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are different. We think maybe it's about the fact that,
Speaker 1: particularly offensive line, these guys don't really play together, like
Speaker 1: they haven't developed the chemistry of a line. And if
Speaker 1: you listen to people talk about football, I mean, the
Speaker 1: offensive line is all about coordination, right, It's it's kind
Speaker 1: of working together as five the forty nine ers, I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't look amazing, but they were competently moving the
Speaker 1: ball down field. That's and that's all I said. Every
Speaker 1: team has to do it. I'm just saying like, maybe
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, maybe the fact that you know, maybe
Speaker 1: there's something to that, because like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: think it was the talent level, but you're right, it
Speaker 1: does feel like that and start get into the second
Speaker 1: half in these preseason games, and the Cowboys just seem like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just not a great time for them in the preseas.
Speaker 1: It happens all the time. I mean, I think last
Speaker 1: year they lost twenty four to twenty one, but all
Speaker 1: of those points came earlier in the game, and the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, remember, like, came back. Yeah, same thing
Speaker 1: I think when when they opened the that game in
Speaker 1: the Coliseum against the Rams, Like the Cowboys ran up
Speaker 1: ten nothing in the first like five minutes, and then
Speaker 1: the Rams came back and won at the end because
Speaker 1: the Cowboys didn't score after the first teamers got out
Speaker 1: of the game. It's curious. It's interesting because even me
Speaker 1: when I was watching the game, you know, I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: it's the third team for the Cowboys. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: wait a second, it's also the third team for my
Speaker 1: old crap. For the record, I really don't care. It's
Speaker 1: preseason football, but like, it is weird that it just
Speaker 1: kind of all falls apart when the third team goes in,
Speaker 1: like all the time for this team. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now we have a few minutes left on the show.
Speaker 1: After watching this first preseason game, what is something that
Speaker 1: you're going to be keeping an eye on this week?
Speaker 1: Brett Maher Brett Maher, I think one of these receivers
Speaker 1: has to step up. I'm not. I'm not sure the
Speaker 1: fifth and sixth guy is actually on this team right now.
Speaker 1: I really no. I mean, like Dave said, that's weird
Speaker 1: to say because I've been talking about receivers for Browns
Speaker 1: on this team. But okay, yeah, I think Noah Browns,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the six receivers on on here and maybe
Speaker 1: they don't keep six. I don't know. I've just been
Speaker 1: trying to do the roster here, and um, I thought
Speaker 1: I could get to fifty three, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if you need six wide receivers maybe. I mean I
Speaker 1: kind of think that John Vay Johnson uh and Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson are kind of battling for that six spot if
Speaker 1: they're going to have a six spot. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to bury anybody after one game, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had that thought too, Nick, where I was just like,
Speaker 1: I've been sitting here thinking about six receivers, like do
Speaker 1: they really need it? Like so, but gallup Cooper a
Speaker 1: lot more, a lot more opportunities I would like to
Speaker 1: have a sixth one because, uh, you know, is Tavon
Speaker 1: gonna step in and really handle a big workload if
Speaker 1: somebody gets hurt, is he going to be You're inactive though?
Speaker 1: Whoever that six or six receiver? Probably yeah and all
Speaker 1: And every year we fret about it, and every year
Speaker 1: guys get through to the practice squad and that'll probably.
Speaker 1: There's no spot on this roster for three quarterbacks, right,
Speaker 1: There's just not. There's too many positions. You have a
Speaker 1: hard time having to cut down. Right. The only way
Speaker 1: you're gonna get three quarterbacks, I think is if, like
Speaker 1: we said, something happened to that and then Cooper and
Speaker 1: then then you gotta get I mean, something happens let's
Speaker 1: say like four weeks or something and then short time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean I'm going through the roster and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to get eleven eleven defensive It is tough because
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to go to nine defensive backs. And
Speaker 1: that's tough too. I don't know how you go nine
Speaker 1: defensive backs. The defense is where it gets hard because
Speaker 1: they're linebackers. Yeah, but they well, now that Gifford's hurt, maybe,
Speaker 1: but they love their linebackers. Yeah, you know, we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about forty four linebackers. Yeah, Justin Phillips came in
Speaker 1: for Gifford and played really very well. He was he's
Speaker 1: the guy they cut right before camp and then when
Speaker 1: they another guy, was it not Innate Hall? Who was
Speaker 1: the other guy they cut? Um? Well, they released Andrew down,
Speaker 1: got hurt, brought him back Phillips, and I thought he
Speaker 1: played real well. It was everywhere. We were like joking
Speaker 1: with Rob, like, you know Phillips on the tackle, Phillips
Speaker 1: on the play, were like, Rob, you know you're playing great,
Speaker 1: but I say you got some bad bag. Yeah. Injury really,
Speaker 1: injury really does create opportunity. It does like you can
Speaker 1: go yeah, like they didn't even bring him to camp,
Speaker 1: and now maybe he's got a shot to be there.
Speaker 1: While Gifford recovers, yeah, well, the guys are walking out
Speaker 1: for the walkthrough. I think that's our cute to say
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