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Speaker 1: don't understand you never know stories of things we simply

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Hey guys, it's Thinking Sideways

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Devin, joined this week by my special

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Speaker 1: guest co hosts and Steve special guests this week. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: And this week we're going to talk about a mystery.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little one. It's a it's this

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Speaker 1: is like literally, this is the jokes I've been hearing

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Speaker 1: all week. This is going to be a jo Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: what if we're not careful? You mean, if we're careful. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's about a tiny alien. I just gave it away

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Speaker 1: mane this week. As you know, because you probably read

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Speaker 1: to talk about the ata Comma skeleton, also often referred

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Speaker 1: to as the ata Comma humanoid or alien or I

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Speaker 1: don't know, or proof proof for aliens, yes, proof for

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Speaker 1: the little green guy, literally, the little green Yeah, that's plains.

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Speaker 1: Why we haven't seen there? You let their saucers because

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Speaker 1: they must be tiny garbage. Well yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Actually it makes sense. That's why we were all convinced

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Speaker 1: we're done. Okay, so our story, just to briefly do

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Speaker 1: a quick little overview here. Briefly quickly, Yep, in two

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Speaker 1: some of the stories are different. But we're going to

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Speaker 1: say in two thousand three, but a token quote quote

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Speaker 1: in the Ottacama Desert, which is mostly in chili Um.

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Speaker 1: It's about forty one thousand square miles, which, for you

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Speaker 1: thousand square kilometers. There's very little population there. It's mostly

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Speaker 1: just deserted desert towns from the nitrate era. Yea, they

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Speaker 1: there's no right, we were talking earlier. It's the is

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Speaker 1: grave robbing. Basically, you're called he's described as a token collector,

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Speaker 1: but really he's just a scavenger. Yeah, oh yeah, totally,

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Speaker 1: just a scavenger, just just raiding these deserted towns for

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Speaker 1: And I don't totally know how, because Ramon had this

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Speaker 1: He's definitely upologist's into it, Yeah Nolan, Dr Nolan. But

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Speaker 1: it be? Could it be a smurf? It could be.

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00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: It could be, uh, the South American version of a

421
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: Leprichn's South American Bigfoot. It could Yeah. Yeah, I wish,

422
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: I wish you guys were in the studio to see

423
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: with how much sincerity Joe just said that there was

424
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: no laugh in his face for a moment. It was good.

425
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: It's totally dead. Okay, So those two out the window. Cool,

426
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: that the scene of our theories. Okay, it's not okay.

427
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: Next I guess is aliens? Yeah there, Uh, they're obviously

428
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: that theory has been put out there. So we have

429
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: to talk a lot. Yeah, quite a bit. Yeah, a

430
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: lot of people think this is like the remains of

431
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: an alien. Well, and one of the things I will

432
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: mention is there is a strong history of reported UFO

433
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: activity around the Ottacama Desert. There's a strong history of

434
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: reported UFO activity around most places. Steve, Yeah, I'm just

435
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: putting it in perspective. Also, the theory is is, uh,

436
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: you know that this thing is an alien? It kind

437
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: of frankly, it looks really alien. It does the shape

438
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: of the skull in the size, you know, to conceptualize

439
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: of something being that size and like living is crazy. Well,

440
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: you know, there's many creatures on our planet that are

441
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: that are timing. But that's the problem is is that

442
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,959
Speaker 1: unless maybe there's an alien race and they figured out

443
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: a way to save space on the interstellar trips to

444
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: shrink themselves go down to six inches tall. Well, no,

445
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: this is this thing is much like was it the

446
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: first or the second Men in Black where there was

447
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: the little guy that drove the human sized robot? Ye,

448
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's exactly what this would be. You mean,

449
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: how long could you really survive if you're that size? Though?

450
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,959
Speaker 1: Would you? My big question stators would all eat you.

451
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: I mean you'd be snacks. Owls will be snatching you

452
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: out of the skies or whatever. The equipment. Well, I guess.

453
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean the argument would be that you might be

454
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: from a planet that was so high gravity that everything

455
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 1: was small, you know, so you could feasibly be the

456
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: largest thing you could think. It could be a race

457
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: of shrimpkins from Futrauma, you guys, remember that. Yeah, so

458
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: when Bender becomes God and then meet God, they're just

459
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: tiny little humans that live on him. It could have

460
00:27:54,440 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: been that. I mean, yeah, and I guess this is

461
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: probably a good time to mention um doctor Greer. Mr Greer,

462
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: he's a doctor. He's a doctor. He was a medical doctor.

463
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: He was an e R doctor. He's actually he was

464
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: a practicing doctor. And then he sort of went off

465
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: the deep end and he left a nice way of

466
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: saying it. Yeah, he left his practice. He did leave

467
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: his practice. U g our listeners may be familiar with

468
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: The Serious, the documentary Serious, which is basically tries to

469
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: prove that aliens are real. It's about an hour long.

470
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: We talked about Gary McKinnon episode. Yeah, it's actually forty

471
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: eight minutes long. I found it on YouTube. Okay, eight

472
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: minutes in fifty something seconds. You're welcome to all minister commercials. Yeah,

473
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: that's perfect. Uh. And Dr Greer's the guy who's in

474
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: charge of that thing. Well, he's he is in control

475
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: of c STEA, which stands for the Center for the

476
00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence. And he started ad in the

477
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: mid two thousands, I want to say, and then it

478
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: was sometime I think it was the late two thousands

479
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: or two thousand tens somewhere in there. He then began

480
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: the Disclosure Project, which is the one where it's all

481
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: the ex government employees testifying to him on camera about aliens. Yeah,

482
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: he's a major uthologist. He is, he is, he is.

483
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm not making fun of him when I say this.

484
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: He has bought in quite heavily to the belief and

485
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: he's very committed to it. But that makes me question

486
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: him quite a lot. Yeah, and it makes me question

487
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: with things like this just because they think there's that

488
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: confirmation bias um, particularly something like this that is kind

489
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: of open to interpretation. There. It is hard to know

490
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: what this thing is for sure. But the fact that

491
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, you I guess, I don't know, it's hard.

492
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's hard when you're you're hearing a uthologist

493
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: constantly saying, oh, it's obviously an alien, it's proof constantly,

494
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: never never once saying I don't know what probably isn't

495
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: an alien. Well. The other thing about guys like Greer

496
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: is they, you know, they tend to be a magnet

497
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: for lunatics who coming to them with crazy stories and

498
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: people who are like minded. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I mean,

499
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: but also, like, that's not to say that everybody who

500
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: believes in UFOs or aliens is a lunatic, because right,

501
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: that's what mind it in terms of I believe in

502
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: or want to, but there's a broad spectrum of that.

503
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: There are crazy people in all walks of life, yes,

504
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: and there are extra crazy people in some walks of life.

505
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: Which are you know this one is one of them? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

506
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: So that's a problem already. And I my one concern

507
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: with Greer being involved involved as he is in this

508
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: because he was you only have one concert well, no,

509
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: this is this is one of my big concern is

510
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: that the story of how Ada was found and all

511
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: of this stuff, I've never been able to find the

512
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: source of it. In other words, you always hear the story,

513
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: but you never find anything from the origin of that

514
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: where it actually began in the early accountings of it

515
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: reported anywhere anything. It's just it popped up and it

516
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: popped up on the radar. From what I found, there's

517
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,959
Speaker 1: a the guy that actually found it. You can find

518
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: the first the first publication of talking about this in

519
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: the media at all um and it was around the

520
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: time when the that scavenger found it. But it was

521
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: when was that again, thou three ish, But it was

522
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: in a tabloid in Chile that was the first announcement.

523
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: So again, you know, it's one of those things where

524
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, you can confirm that it did happen

525
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: at a time, but the equivalent of the weekly World

526
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: News reported on it and not that boy Yeah yeah,

527
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: but which which is kind of a bummer because we

528
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: do know what exists and we do know it's real.

529
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: But they were the only ones who didn't cry hoax immediately,

530
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: so they printed it. And then but and I guess

531
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: to that point, Greer never tells the whole story. He

532
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: always just says, oh, a token hunter, token collect he's got,

533
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: he's got a very sanitized but he doesn't ever say

534
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: like he was robbing graves in the church. He you know,

535
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't say anything about that. They always say it

536
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: in this kind of amorphous like pouch. He never says

537
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: it was in a white cloth, it was this velvet tot.

538
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: You know, all of the kind of nitty gritty details

539
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,479
Speaker 1: that almost humanize it he doesn't ever talk about. So

540
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: I think to that point he is, I mean, he's

541
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: he's trying to sew it a little more towards If

542
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: you're just saying, well, it was found in a pouch

543
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: just in the desert, that sounds way more like an

544
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: alien died or got dropped off. The remains of an

545
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: alien got dropped off then because they have a very

546
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: original and pouches. I don't know, it just more than

547
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: like it was found in a grace in a church,

548
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: wrapped in what in white and purple? You know, It's

549
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: that sounds way more human than it was found in

550
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: a pouch in the desert. You see what I'm saying. Yeah,

551
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: all right, well that's I'm going to let the Greer

552
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: issue go that. I mean, it's really that's just I

553
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: really really question whenever he's involved. Yeah, well that's fair,

554
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: and um the alien stuff. Do you have anything else

555
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: to add to the alien theory? To that? He the well,

556
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: if it is an alien, then how does how does

557
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: this happen? Human DNA? Okay, well, actually that's a good

558
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: segue into our next theory, which is that it's an

559
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: alien human hybrid um. But that goes down the crazy

560
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: rabbit hole because the it's mostly it's mostly Greer being

561
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: a proponent or being the most vocal proponent of this theory.

562
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: This is his theory actually is that it's a hybrid,

563
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: and it's it goes kind of from what if it's

564
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: an alien human hybrid to what if we are all

565
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: alien human hybrid that's what we are. That's how I

566
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: means existed, That's how we came about. So then we

567
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: would share N one. We're not actually alien human hybrids

568
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: because we're humans. So whatever our ancestor wasn't made right

569
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: that we're alien I don't know, Neandredthal hybrids or something. Okay,

570
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: you know the things that we branched off from that

571
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: they went off to die, but they were very humanoid.

572
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: They were you know, we were like them. Uh, and

573
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: then we changed somehow and the aliens came in, came

574
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: to Earth, they were slumming with Neanderthals, and then they

575
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: went home. Yeah, so Earth is what like the dance

576
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: club of It's okay, I guess we can kind of

577
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: go into this. Um. I don't want to make this

578
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: whole episode about this, but the theory there are two

579
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: theories on this. Won't You're looking at me like I'm

580
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: crazy person, but I'm just gonna keep talking. Um. One

581
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: of the theories is that it was it's a controlled

582
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: experiment that aliens who are hyper intelligent came to Earth

583
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: and wanted to It's like controlled evolution, that they altered

584
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: the DNA of Neanderthals to create Homo sapiens and now

585
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: they're watching the experiment play out. Yes, the other theory

586
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: is that's along game. The other theory is that aliens,

587
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: I guess there's a lot more than that. Aliens, in

588
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: order to survive, came an inter there. Yeah, so in

589
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: order to elongate their species had to kind of alter

590
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: what their species was. So they came to intermingle their

591
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: people with our people and that totally changed and progressed

592
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: into Homo sapiens. Or yeah, nightclub like they were curious

593
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: Sea took off again. Uh yeah, So those are the

594
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: three like main theories of the alien hybrid human hybrid theory.

595
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: So then this theory would be that this was a

596
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: subset that went a little wrong but has survived, maybe

597
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: in the desert, or maybe they are they're the ones

598
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: who were the initial ones, and that they bred with

599
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: Neanderthals and so were the size basically of Neanderthals. But

600
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: the problem if that is the case, then it would

601
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: have to be much much much older, unless it was

602
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: coming to check up on us. So if it was

603
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: the controlled so like if the if the base there,

604
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: your theory was that it's a controlled evolution the long

605
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: game basically, right, you come and check on your long game. Right,

606
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: you observed them. So if he this thing, this alien

607
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: in this theory died while observing us, then yeah, ten

608
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: years whatever. They're very tiny aliens, the wardens are. It'sy bitsy, yeah,

609
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: I think. Um. I still though, I still don't buy

610
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: that this thing was an alien because DNA. I agree,

611
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: But so those are hybrid that's impossible too, because our

612
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 1: for example, cats and dogs. Candidate read that's true, you know,

613
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: and so we'd be a little further humans and bananas

614
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: cannot interbreed. That's true. Yeah, No, I mean, I think

615
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: that's a valid interesting point. The other thing I guess

616
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: we should probably bring up at this very moment in

617
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: time is that it's not that we only share of

618
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: the DNA. It's that it was like eight or nine

619
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: percent of the DNA wasn't was unable to be read

620
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: from the samples that they got from autumn um, which

621
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: doesn't so it doesn't mean that they didn't match. It

622
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: just meant that they couldn't because it was too correctly unreadable,

623
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: which it's not uncommon for that to happen in DNA

624
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: samples to have a portion of it. Yeah, particularly post

625
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 1: word on DNA. So this is this is why Greer

626
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: bothers me so much, because he's the one who says

627
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: it's human DNA, but we don't know what the other

628
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: eight Well, no we don't. We kind of probably do.

629
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: But it's not unusual. Of the DNA that was readable

630
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: was human. It's just of the total sample was unreadable.

631
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: Their credit, you know, on almost all of the websites

632
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: that you read about this DNA, they do. They do

633
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: add the caveat that research on the DNA is ongoing.

634
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: Of course that they will they will reveal more as

635
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: they know it, which at least that better DNA out

636
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: of him. It's possible. And also the this is one

637
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: of the reasons that because I used to think it

638
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: was kind of old and now they've taken no more

639
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: than two decades, just because the the DNA has degraded somewhat,

640
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: but there's still viable. Exactly if it was a lot

641
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: older than there'd be a lot less read. Yeah. So

642
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: next is the theory that it's human. And this is

643
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: again typical Devon style. We've got a couple of different

644
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: bullet points here, Yes we do. So let's start with

645
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: Human Comma Shrunken. Oh but Ripley, Yeah, we come back

646
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: to Ripley here. Um. Ripley was very he was a

647
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: very honest showman. He he liked to kind of discount

648
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: these like weird sideshow things that he found a lot.

649
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: He was very famous for it. Like he would go

650
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: around and find these you know who was a mermaid

651
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: man skeleton and display it. But say, this is the

652
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: part that's the monkey skeleton, and this is the part

653
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: that's the fish skeleton. It's not real, but it's interesting nonetheless, right. Uh.

654
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: And so he was one of the first people despite

655
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: his which is why I believe it or not. You

656
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: can believe it if you want or not or not.

657
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: In here your reason to like not. I remember watching

658
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: that show and did that all the time. We watched

659
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 1: it too, And he goes, believe it or not? Yeah, yeah,

660
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: then what what wasn't the guy from Star Trek on

661
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: it at one point when they tried to resurrect it,

662
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: the guy who played Will Riker Star Trek Next Generation

663
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: wasn't he wasn't he the host for it? I don't know.

664
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: I'd have to look it up enough for me to

665
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: look it up. Jack remember that that was the old one. Yeah,

666
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: you know it is at the end of it. Are

667
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: not because they had that weird voice. Yeah. So shrunken heads,

668
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: just briefly, if you guys don't know how they made.

669
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everybody in this room knows made,

670
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: but it's possible. What you do is you run them

671
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: through the dryer too long and you get it wet.

672
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: You put it back in its Yeah it's perfect. Yeah,

673
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: less itchy though a little bit. Yeah. So shrunken heads.

674
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: The way they do it is they cut a hole

675
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: in the back of the skull or back of the head,

676
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,959
Speaker 1: the scalp, thank you. They pull all the bones out,

677
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: They put little red berries where the eyes should be,

678
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: and so them shut. And then they put a woodball

679
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: all the orifice. Close your nostrils, your eyes, your mouth.

680
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: The mouth is held in place by three palm fronds.

681
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: Apparently it's the traditional thing. Who came up with this idea,

682
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I still think they're interesting. But then

683
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: the skin is put around a ball and then pulled

684
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: tight after it's boiled. Yeah, after it's boiled, shrink it. Yeah,

685
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: And then it's put there and so it looks like

686
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: it's on a skull, and so that's how that happens.

687
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: So h Ripley said that his Atta boy was just

688
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: a shrunken whole body, shrunken thing, which I guess I

689
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: kind of believe because it doesn't really look like there

690
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: are any bones in there. It just kind of looks

691
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: like it's leathery skin. That's the impression. I mean there

692
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: there does appear to be possible protrusions, but bones, but

693
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: they could be pieces of wood. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, but

694
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: that didn't start contrast to what Adda actually looks like. Um,

695
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: And so as as we in this room, I think

696
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: can all agree that Atta is ada Autumn I'm sorry,

697
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: is not a shrunken something because it's mostly bones and

698
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: internal organs. There's not skin and a thin coating yeah

699
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: the other yeah, which I don't really know what is

700
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 1: holding it together. It's skin. Weird, it's a very very thin,

701
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: leathery layer of skin. I suppose that. I mean that

702
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: the stuff at tendants are probably still present right on

703
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: the skeleton. Yeah, it kind of just looks like bone,

704
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: but it is what was a fleshy membrane at one

705
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: time surrounding everything and what is dry and desiccated now

706
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: that's what's holding it together, right, Yeah, so the cat

707
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: gut almost like what cat gut? You know, the stuff

708
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: that you can sew with. Haven't you heard a cat gut?

709
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: That's what they used to use for surgery, to sit

710
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: to stitch people up. I'm not making this up. You

711
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: know what, Joe, do you remember what cat gut is

712
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: made from cat guts? It's made from it's intestines of

713
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: animals like owls or cheese and well, but it's it's

714
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: very tough and it's very stringing. But you used it

715
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: to close wounds. Well, they originally did. They haven't been

716
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: doing that for a while people. Yeah, I know that

717
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: the majewelry and stuff out of it. You yeah, no,

718
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: it's it's very tough stuff, but it's that's why it

719
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: reminds me of cat gut, because it's very, very tough.

720
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: But it's an organic material. Okay, that's fair. I guess

721
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: creep factor seventeen for Devon, thank you? Yeah, okay, so,

722
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: but I think we can all agree it's not at

723
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: a scut bones. Yeah, actually it's mostly bones, so it's

724
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: not a drunken body, but still kind of interesting. Nonetheless, Okay,

725
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: uh next up is human comma premature, prematurely worn baby,

726
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: prematurely worn baby, normal human normal, totally normal human baby,

727
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: which all you have to do is really look at

728
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: the skeleton to know it's not a totally normal baby.

729
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: Even is not going to be six inches long. Yeah,

730
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: it has to be really premature, but you can look

731
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: at Actually, this is one of the most interesting comparisons

732
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: I saw was there was a scan uh fetus at

733
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: two months old, and they're about six inches long or so,

734
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: and then compared to the scan of the ata skeleton

735
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: at a at a boy, and they look they look

736
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: totally different. So, I mean, there's the thing. I mean,

737
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: part of it is you know, ribs, part of it

738
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: is head shaped, part of it is just typical bones.

739
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: So the thing is is that I've the research that

740
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: I've seen said that this was if it was a

741
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: human fetus, it was twelve or sixteen weeks, which is

742
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: the first trimester, the end of the first trimester, beginning

743
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: of the second trimester, and the typical fetus at that time.

744
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: There's always this thing on the internet what sizes my baby,

745
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: and it's about the size of an apple at that point.

746
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: But a lot of things have formed. At that point,

747
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: all of the bones will have formed. The you know,

748
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: the head is going to have formed though, And this

749
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: is why I bring this up. The bones of your

750
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: skull of ukranium, those are not are still not connected

751
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: because your brain hasn't grown in yet and they've got

752
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 1: to stay loose to allow that to happen. So if

753
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: this is a premature child, that would explain why the

754
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: head is misshapen, because they would have collapsed on each

755
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: other and set into this kind of pointy shape instead

756
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: of what was around shape. If you follow that line

757
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: of thinking. The other thing is like it's very very

758
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,479
Speaker 1: soft material. And the other thing that I will bring

759
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: up is that you had you has been a good

760
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: amount of time talking about the kneecaps. Okay, kneecaps are

761
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: present at that time, but their cartilage, Like we said,

762
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: cartilage is something that hardens when it's outside of the body.

763
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: It'll harden in the right environment. I mean, it's like

764
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: if you find a mummy that's been in this desert,

765
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: it's the nose will probably be there because it's mummified.

766
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: But but but you know what your nose is cartilage

767
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: And so what I looked at this as is that

768
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: what was the infant placeholder cartilage kneecaps is just the

769
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: stuff that it hardened it, you know, it actually set

770
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: in place, so it looks like bone. What about the tooth,

771
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: the twoth, I can't explain, Okay, I don't know. I

772
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: don't know why the hell there's a tooth there. But

773
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: I can explain the cranium being misshapen, and I can

774
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: explain the knee caps, which is why why I still

775
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: feel that this is very much premature birth. Yeah, well, well,

776
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: which is why it would have such a ceremonial burial.

777
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: I feel differently about it, but we'll talk about in

778
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: a minute, because I know Joe wants to say somethings,

779
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: say something yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess or whatever. Yeah.

780
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: I was reading the blog of this guy named Polo,

781
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: this guardian who who works at the Grant Museum of

782
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: Zoology and the University and University College London. He has

783
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: a fairly lengthy posting on it with a lot of big, long,

784
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: huge comment threats from a lot of scientific types. And

785
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you read that one or not. Yeah,

786
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: and so he says that it looks to him just

787
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: pretty much exactly like uh an aborted fetus. He says

788
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 1: he's seen other ones mommified ones in museums and collect

789
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: and various collections of fourteen to sixteen weeks. He estimates

790
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: as far as at the shape of the skull, partly

791
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: what you were what you were saying, might have something

792
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: to do with it. He thinks it might. Also he

793
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: thinks it was aborted, and he thinks that perhaps during

794
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 1: the procedure the head was you know, sort of pulled

795
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: out damage and put That might also explain the odd shape.

796
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: He also said that he's as far as some of

797
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: the misreadings of the age or the thing, they found

798
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: greater calcification in the bones and you would expect in

799
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: a fetus, but he said that that's actually an artifact

800
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: of the mommification process. He says he's seen it in

801
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: other mummies when they tried to like he actually wrote

802
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: a paper on the whole thing. Yeah, I've seen something

803
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: about the fact that when they try to x ray

804
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: them and do all these certain scans, those young bones

805
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: look like they should be much older just because of

806
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: the process that's involved in the scan. Yeah, exactly. And

807
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: you can't read into that too heavily yeah, so as

808
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: far as it being like sixty eight years ago old

809
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: or a year old or anything. And also he said

810
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: he looked at the the cat scans and everything. He

811
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: says he's evidence of teeth whatsoever. He says that there's

812
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: a piece of exposed mandible that looks like a tooth,

813
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: looks especially like a tooth. But he said that a

814
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: good I haven't seen these cat scans and he's he's

815
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: talking about but that he says, and he sounds like

816
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: he's pretty objective and pretty smart, pretty knowledgeable guy. He

817
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: says there's no teeth, so he's he's on board with

818
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: the it's just a premature premature or more likely an

819
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: aboarded fetus. Yeah. Yeah, Well, and there's a lot of

820
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: social conditions in that country that would explain potentially why

821
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: that would happen, you know, because like unwed sex is

822
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: not okay, an abortion it's kind of hard to get right.

823
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're with somebody and something happens,

824
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: you've got to take care of it. Yeah, I um,

825
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 1: you know what, this is one of the sad things

826
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: that has been It would be nice to find the

827
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote token collector or wherever that goes and find

828
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: find out precisely what grave, because if it was found

829
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: in the graveyard, I'd like to know what grave you

830
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 1: founded in because that would be kind of interesting because

831
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: imagine somebody going back to this village where they have

832
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: family buried and and sort of like, you know, digging

833
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: up a few witches of dirt and burying it there.

834
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: You know, we kind of you might be able to

835
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: actually find out who the mother of you know, the

836
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: Atacama skeleton is. Yeah, that's a premature birth, I think.

837
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: Walk through that thing, yeah, and so wanted Yeah. Uh.

838
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: And then the last kind of theory here is that

839
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: that it was a human being that was born likely

840
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: but with a genetic disorder and that just grew to

841
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: six inches tall. Yeah, or you know, didn't really survive

842
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: out of the womb for two terribly long But obviously

843
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: there aren't an extended period of time though. Yeah, and

844
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: so there obviously aren't any genetic disorders that we know

845
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 1: of that cause a actual human being to only grow

846
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: to six inches tall. That's not a thing. You wouldn't

847
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: live very long, you would not. It's going to step

848
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: on you. Yeah. Yeah, And you know, on top of

849
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: that shortest recorded person in history was only what two

850
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: ft tall something like that's still like like three or

851
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: four times as tall as them than this skeleton, thank

852
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: you wrong, But yeah, it is kind of um this this. Yeah,

853
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: but added to that, you know, they did this genetic

854
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: testing on the skeleton and there they couldn't find any

855
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: markers for common things like dwarfism or anything like that. Yeah. Well,

856
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: plus this would be a real one off disorder, because

857
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: there is such a thing as dwarfism. There is. But

858
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: how many how many six install human beings have we

859
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: produced so far? None? None? Yeah, yeah, that we know of.

860
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: That's true. Maybe they're hiding. They might be hiding right here. Yeah,

861
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: they're so little, you don't know. Yeah, that's why you

862
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: keep hearing those weird banging noises in your pipes. Um.

863
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: But there is a theory out there that it's kind

864
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: of a duel. It's a dual theory. I guess. Uh.

865
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: It's a combination of genetic disorder and a premature birth

866
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: or aborted birth situation because a lot of their well,

867
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: a lot of women who are pregnant with babies who

868
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: have progeria often have miscarriages with these babies and Progeria

869
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: is something that I guess I knew about because I

870
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: listened to uh Diet and Aunt. Would you guys know them?

871
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: It's okay, I wouldn't expect you to. It's like a ow,

872
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Yeah. Anyways, there's a there was a

873
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: guy by the name of Leon Botha who collaborated with them. Um,

874
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: he was a DJ. They're a group or a group yeah,

875
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: out of South Africa. They do rap mostly kind of

876
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: it's hard to explain performance art. It's awesome. So I

877
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: know who's got well Leon Botha did. He died a

878
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 1: few years ago. He was twenty six when he died,

879
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: which is actually a very long lifespan for somebody with perugia.

880
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: Usually they progeria, I'm sorry, they don't usually live often

881
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: people who have this live thirteen fourteen years the most.

882
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: Because it's it's rapid aging. Well it's not actually rapid aging.

883
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: It signs it appeared to look like rapid age. It

884
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: causes you to look like you are rapidly aging. Yeah.

885
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: It's a founding about one in every eight million live births,

886
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: but the instances are higher, but I didn't write down

887
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: the number. I'm sorry of stillborn or premature births. The

888
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: defining features of somebody with this disorder are I'm just

889
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: gonna quote here, limited growth, full body alopecia, alopecia, so

890
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: hair loss, and a distinctive appearance that includes a small

891
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: face with a shallow, shallow, recessed jaw, and a very

892
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: pinched nose. And often their face looks small on their

893
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: head in proportion to the head. Yeah. Um, and the

894
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: heads are you know, often kind of more elongated. So,

895
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's it's a fair theory to

896
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: say that it's possible that Otta had this disorder in

897
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: utero and was born prematurely that it accounts for the

898
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: way that he looks with this skull. I mean, as

899
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: does your theory of you know, kind of aborted fetus situation.

900
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: Their skulls look oversized. They look oversized, but they don't

901
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: usually look pointy like that, but they do often in

902
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: um fetuses with progeria. I'm sorry, I don't know why

903
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: I can't say that word, but you know, again, it's

904
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: it's hard to tell. And then scientists are also saying

905
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: that they also haven't found any of the genetic markers

906
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: for um progeria, so it's probably not, So I don't know.

907
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't have a good answer. Really. I think it's

908
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: probably a human um. I think it's probably a premature

909
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: what whichever way it happened, If it happened that there

910
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: was some genetic disorder that caused the fetus to look

911
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: this way, if it was just a premature birth. It's

912
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: also hard to tell because it is a mummy and

913
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: it looks at it looks much too thin to be

914
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: a normal fetus, but to me, but again, it's a mommy,

915
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: so it's hard to tell. It's it's a mummy. As

916
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: as it as it dries out, the skin streaks streaks up,

917
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: and it draws the rib tip exactly, and that's that's

918
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, if you look at those ribs,

919
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 1: they almost looked like they should have broken from the pressure. Yeah. Yeah,

920
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: although you know, still the question is is there should

921
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: be more ribs than there are? But well, apparently that

922
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: the two missing ribs are the lower floating ribs, which

923
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, form the last it's entirely possible. They would

924
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: have to have been really early though well, I mean

925
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: they because fully formed, and so they may not have

926
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, when when everything dried out and pulled in.

927
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: They may not have been enough substance to them. They

928
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: may have been mostly fleshy instead of bony. You can,

929
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: I mean the in the X rays of it two

930
00:55:54,560 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: month old fetus. There they are ribs. They are alls,

931
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: all twelve, all twelve of them. Yeah, but it's possible.

932
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible that it was a younger fetus.

933
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: It's possible that there was some birth effect that caused

934
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: them to not have, you know, ribs. I don't know,

935
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: but you never know. We could if you go back

936
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: to that area, you know, check up on the people.

937
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: Maybe that maybe there's a whole subset of people that's

938
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: good that have a genetic defect. You know. I've been

939
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: passing it along. Floating rib. Yeah, yeah, I don't even

940
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: know what is the purpose at the floating rib? Does

941
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: anybody know? I think it's just one more rib to

942
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: get broken. I think that's a I always figured it

943
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: was the one that pinches when you get a pinch

944
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: in your side. This is always weird. I don't know either.

945
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: It's maybe a little extra electra protection for those for

946
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: your kidneys or something like that. I don't know. So, yeah,

947
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: they go it's the outa comma skeleton or humanoid, probably

948
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: not alien, probably not probably on alien. Probably just a

949
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 1: very very sad story, a very small story. Yeah, tiny,

950
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: but you know, actually digging around up there, you might

951
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: find a lot of these things. Yeah. It is a

952
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: little weird, you know too, would be found in the desert,

953
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: but I guess not really that weird. Yeah, because the

954
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: conditions are such that you know they're gonna get naturally mummified.

955
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. Yeah, luckily in the Comma desert there's

956
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: probably so dry. I mean no, no four legged scavengers

957
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: really exist out there to come along and eat it,

958
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, so it just lays their undisturbed and just

959
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, becomes mumified. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, until the

960
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: two two legged scavenger comes along and you guys have

961
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: anything else? I don't story. Yeah, and that really we'll

962
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: have to go down there and check it out one

963
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: of these days soon as our listeners fund our trips. Yeah, yeah, thanks, guys.

964
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,360
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965
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,440
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