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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Thursday, September eleventh, and it

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Speaker 1: has already been a day of developments in the Charlie

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Speaker 1: Kirk assassination investigation. But as we speak, the assassin is

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Speaker 1: still on the loose, and welcome to this edition of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ and Rowe still on the loose. But

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Speaker 1: after some back and forth, the police have made the

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Speaker 1: decision to release images and we're just getting a look

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Speaker 1: at that in the past few minutes.

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Speaker 2: That's true, they did an about face about three hours

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Speaker 2: in the making. So at nine am Eastern time, we

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Speaker 2: heard police say that they did have images captured on

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Speaker 2: CCTV around campus, but they weren't going to release it

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Speaker 2: because they felt confident they were going to be able

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Speaker 2: to find him through their own technology. But yes, fast

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Speaker 2: forward a few hours later and they have released two images.

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Speaker 2: That's how many I've seen of the suspected gunmen. And

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Speaker 2: it's a pretty good image. You pretty good look at

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Speaker 2: his face and certainly what he was wearing, and he

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Speaker 2: didn't have a mask. He just had sunglasses on, a

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Speaker 2: hoodie and a hat.

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Speaker 1: And look, you can go out and you can look

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Speaker 1: at the images and you will see them everywhere today

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Speaker 1: as far as our description goes, looked like a white guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They did say earlier in the press conference they had

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Speaker 1: this morning that the person blended in and was able

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Speaker 1: to blend in with students. So I assume there might

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Speaker 1: have been somebody who was college age, at least from

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Speaker 1: my appearance. It looks sortaly could blend in, but looked

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Speaker 2: I mean, he looked to me, he looked like he

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Speaker 2: was a kid in his twenties, A white guy in

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Speaker 2: his twenties. That's what he looked like to me.

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Speaker 1: It looked like as well, it looked like to you

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Speaker 1: that one of the images is walking up maybe a staircase,

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Speaker 1: getting somewhere. But yeah, and it couldn't make out quite

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Speaker 1: the image on the shirt. It looked like it had

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Speaker 1: an American flag that had been distorted in some way

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a thin guy, and yes, definitely see an

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Speaker 2: American flag on that. It wasn't a hoodie. Maybe it

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Speaker 2: was just a long sleeve dark shirt, but yeah, I

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Speaker 2: couldn't tell if it looked like even a firearm or

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Speaker 2: some sort of a gabbl or some dark object over

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Speaker 2: an American flag. I couldn't quite.

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Speaker 1: Tell what it was, all right, So that is what

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Speaker 1: we just got and we decided to hop on as

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Speaker 1: soon as we saw those images and got that latest update.

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Speaker 1: But the fact still remains here. We are twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours after the shooting and killing of Charlie Kirk. The

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Speaker 1: assassin is still on the loose. The killer is still

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Speaker 1: on the loose. The police made clear they do not

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Speaker 1: think anyone else is a target or is in danger

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Speaker 1: from this person. They believe, yes, this was a singular

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Speaker 1: event and Charlie Kirk was the intended target. So but

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Speaker 1: that part the rest, but robes they started pretty early

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Speaker 1: this morning. It was seven am out in Utah when

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Speaker 1: they had this press conference to give us an update

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Speaker 1: and pretty significant stuff, starting with first they think they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And they made it very clear and it was

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Speaker 2: pretty obvious that law enforcement have been working throughout the

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Speaker 2: night to try and figure out the movements of this gunman.

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Speaker 2: And yes, they do believe they have the firearm that

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Speaker 2: he used. But they were able to track his movements

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Speaker 2: starting at eleven fifty two a m. Yesterday When they

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Speaker 2: say that is the exact time they can document that

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Speaker 2: he arrived on campus and then that picture that we

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Speaker 2: see that they released looks like that is him going

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Speaker 2: at Charlie Kirk. But it's pretty remarkable they were able

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Speaker 2: his escape. They say he jumped off the building, fled

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Speaker 2: They were even asking and they've been asking people who

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Speaker 1: And we're looking here now. As I'm talking, I'm still

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Speaker 1: looking at the images. And like you said, it was

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Speaker 1: a long sleeve, dark T shirt. It's hard to make out,

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Speaker 1: but you can tell the American flag distorted by something.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it kind of look like it Judge's gavel or

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Speaker 1: Surely he's changed closed behind. But they also were saying

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Speaker 1: they certainly think he could be getting farther away. I was.

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Speaker 1: We were both kind of taken aback. They say, we

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Speaker 1: need help identifying We're using our own technology to identify

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Speaker 1: this person based on the images we have, and the

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Speaker 1: thought was, well, why not just go ahead and get

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Speaker 2: We were actually discussing that amongst ourselves, thinking what would

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Speaker 2: be the reasoning behind not releasing the photo right away.

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Speaker 2: Our best guess was that somehow they didn't want to

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Speaker 2: gave the description, and they gave a lot of information,

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Speaker 2: why wouldn't they then release his face to get more

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Speaker 2: people who might recognize him to call in and say

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Speaker 2: this is his name. Now we know they have a

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Speaker 2: shoeprint I believe of the shoe he was wearing, and

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Speaker 2: they also said they have a palm print and a

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Speaker 2: I don't know can you trace that? And this is

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Speaker 2: capture him, they can link him to these the shoeprint,

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Speaker 2: the palm print, the forearm print, But in terms of

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Speaker 2: how that would work.

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Speaker 1: The other again, what happened in three hours? What happened

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Speaker 1: in that three hours from when they said we're not

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Speaker 1: going to release they said, we have it, we can

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Speaker 1: to you the public because we're confident, they said, confident

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Speaker 1: identify the person. Something happened in that three hours, and

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Speaker 1: a decision was made to get this out to the public.

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Speaker 1: I took a beat to think, well, maybe it's a

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Speaker 1: else does. Given the temperature out there right now, you

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Speaker 1: could absolutely see not just one, not two, but a

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Speaker 2: And when you said that, I said, of course that

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Speaker 2: has to be what it is. The concern of retaliation

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Speaker 2: some sort of stamp on retribution, and so, yes, that

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Speaker 2: would be the concern. But ultimately, at the end of

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Speaker 2: had to put those concerns, if that is what their

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Speaker 2: burner and say, the most important thing right now is

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Speaker 2: that we get this person in custody behind bars. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: he is, actually I think it's very fair to say

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Speaker 2: he is in danger from the public. Yeah, certain members

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Speaker 2: their own hands for sure.

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Speaker 1: And what does this do to the investigation? Now that

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Speaker 1: he knows his image, he's going to see his image

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Speaker 1: on every cable news channel right now. Then what does

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Speaker 1: he do. I don't really knows how stable. Well, you

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Speaker 1: have to be pretty unstable, don't you, to put off

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Speaker 1: something to do something like this. But what happened.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how identifiable he is. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 2: average white dude in his early twenties. He has a

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Speaker 2: hat and glasses on. He's thin, very thin, and he's

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Speaker 2: a slight person. But he could be anybody. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: knew him, if you knew him, that's different. But just

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Speaker 2: from the average joe looking at him, he looks like anybody.

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Speaker 2: He looks like everybody. He doesn't have a specific or

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Speaker 2: that works. But we also found out some more specifics

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Speaker 2: called it a bolt action rifle. Apparently this is you see,

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about guns, but you just made

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Speaker 2: a face and a gesture, So what what do you

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Speaker 1: What I know is if you're using a bolt action rifle,

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Speaker 1: this is a sniper rifle. This is something you use

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Speaker 1: when you are trying to have a precision, precision shot,

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Speaker 1: a single shot, because that's how you load it one

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Speaker 1: of the time it's bolt action. To show it to you,

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Speaker 1: So this is a it's considered a sniper accurate, few

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Speaker 2: If this isn't some AR fifteen, some assault rifle where

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Speaker 2: you're trying to kill as many people as quickly as possible,

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Speaker 2: this is. They described it as an older model Mauser

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Speaker 2: it's a military rifle that's popular with hunters, and so

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Speaker 2: to what you're saying, that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: And yes, they found several cartridges, including a spent round

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Speaker 2: in the rifle's chamber, so that would absolutely back up

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Speaker 2: what we know that that single shot was fired. This

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Speaker 2: rifle that they uncovered had one spent round. And so

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Speaker 2: right now the weapon and the ammunition, as you might imagine,

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Speaker 2: are being traced by the ATF. They actually have it

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Speaker 2: by analysts in West Virginia trying to connect the dots

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Speaker 2: and figure out who owned this rifle, who purchased this rifle,

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Speaker 2: all of those things. But right now there's no evidence

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Speaker 2: from the gun that has led to a name where

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Speaker 2: we'd actually know who police are looking for.

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Speaker 1: This was a precision planned execution, even down to the

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Speaker 1: weapon chosen for it. That's incredible. I mean, we are

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Speaker 1: all curious, who knows how this is going to end,

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Speaker 1: But to get an answer as to who this person is,

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Speaker 1: what they were thinking, why they did this, how they

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Speaker 1: planned it, how they pulled it off, and to think

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Speaker 1: that person is still on the run when every resource,

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Speaker 1: you know, the federal government and including some pressure is coming,

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Speaker 1: maybe even from the White House. You need to get

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Speaker 1: this guy and get him now because he just went

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Speaker 1: after one of our guys. This is really an incredible story.

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Speaker 1: And to you, we were saying earlier how he blended in.

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Speaker 1: You can't really blend in if you're carrying around of

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Speaker 1: a bolt action rifle. They found a screwdriver that might

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Speaker 1: have explained maybe there were some assembly and disassembly of

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Speaker 1: the correct leesson.

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Speaker 2: So they found a screwdriver near the weapon, and that

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Speaker 2: is their best guess that he actually used the screwdriver

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Speaker 2: to disassemble it, to carry it around, and then to

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Speaker 2: reassemble it once he got on that roof. But it's

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Speaker 2: interesting because I know he didn't want to draw attention

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Speaker 2: to himself, but it actually is perfectly legal to walk

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