Speaker 1: So I want to do a rerant really quickly. Just
Speaker 1: I want to talk about a topic. So it's not
Speaker 1: that show. I just want we're all here, I want
Speaker 1: to talk about. First of all, give me your Paul
Speaker 1: once said to me, who's your mount Rushmore? And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call it a hall of fame? So, but who
Speaker 1: is your mount Rushmore? Of housewives?
Speaker 2: You don't, you can be in it. You can in.
Speaker 3: Any city, no in the world. Who are the best for?
Speaker 1: And you can add no New York or any city
Speaker 1: period of all housewives who are the best for?
Speaker 2: Who are the most iconic?
Speaker 3: Okay, easy, go you Teresa, Me, Nimi, Lisa Vanda Pump.
Speaker 3: I'm not missing anyone that was good.
Speaker 2: You think Lisa.
Speaker 1: I had Lisa Vanda Pump originally, but I didn't because
Speaker 1: she orchestra I think she's amazing, but she like orchestrated,
Speaker 1: not filming, and so she wasn't like to put your
Speaker 1: whole body in its house with like a Vicky Gumbelson.
Speaker 3: Whether you like her or not, I forgot. I forgot
Speaker 3: she put her whole body is missing missing. I still
Speaker 3: think Lisa Vanda Bump just because generally, and she also
Speaker 3: gave birth to Vanda pump rolls and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I just think, Okay, I'll give her an honorary too.
Speaker 1: I think she's amazing, But I okay on the top
Speaker 1: of mountains, I think it's.
Speaker 2: Neat to and Vicky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that we have the same and they're all interesting,
Speaker 1: very interesting. Okay, So just to finish one thing from before,
Speaker 1: because I want to clean up. This is a rerant.
Speaker 1: I want to clean up and we're not digging into
Speaker 1: it deep. I just want because it was so fast
Speaker 1: that on because this on the reunion that I was on,
Speaker 1: where I was on the one couch and there was
Speaker 1: a firing squad of Carol, Derinda, Ramona, everyone like Andy,
Speaker 1: and the production was like you're walking into like a
Speaker 1: firing squad. I was walking into that. I think was
Speaker 1: the reunion where everybody was aghast that I would exploit
Speaker 1: and capitalize on Bobby's funeral because for television and no
Speaker 1: on would ever do that. I was rolling my eyes,
Speaker 1: laughing and saying, well, she wanted me there, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Didn't know the subtexta I never to, and I think
Speaker 1: I felt watching it and I did not know that
Speaker 1: they all were just burnt that they didn't get their
Speaker 1: scene of Bobby's funeral.
Speaker 3: That's this is what I was told. Amazing was that
Speaker 3: they wouldn't come to my apartment for the shiva, which
Speaker 3: I was told we would do just to honor Bobby.
Speaker 3: They would play some maybe some footage of old scenes
Speaker 3: and everybody would kind of memorialize him, talk about him.
Speaker 3: And that's it. I don't get paid. I'm not a housewife.
Speaker 3: I'm not a cast member. In a million years, I
Speaker 3: would never have had the cameras at the funeral. In
Speaker 3: a million years, there was a million. I wasn't even
Speaker 3: a cast member getting paid. All the more reason that
Speaker 3: you have to know I wouldn't have had him right
Speaker 3: even for that reason, financial right, right, and my sister
Speaker 3: and my mother. You think they would have let me?
Speaker 3: I mean, are you kidding me? After what everything had
Speaker 3: happened with Bravo and everything, you think they would have
Speaker 3: let cameras beat the I mean, like the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Anybody who knows me knows it didn't make sense, which
Speaker 3: is why I don't fight like it's like. And also
Speaker 3: I couldn't fight City Hall. So if I had said
Speaker 3: this back then, did it? I did not know that.
Speaker 2: The women because they didn't get to film their set.
Speaker 3: They punished me and I was so hurt, that's why,
Speaker 3: and I called them. I think I called one of them.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say who. I think I called
Speaker 3: one of them and she's like, oh no, I can't.
Speaker 2: They lied, They lied, Okay.
Speaker 1: The last, the second to last thing I want to
Speaker 1: do is just, I guess we've kind of reviewed it
Speaker 1: a little, just the state of the the shows and
Speaker 1: the experience. What are your regrets from doing the whole thing?
Speaker 1: Would you you would do it all over again? Do
Speaker 1: you think it's healthy? And how has the Whole Housewives
Speaker 1: experience and show changed from when we were on it
Speaker 1: together to now.
Speaker 3: That's a lot to unpack. Yeah, one at a time, sure, okay,
Speaker 3: So would I do it over again? One hundred percent.
Speaker 3: The regrets I have mostly had to do with you,
Speaker 3: because that was the authentic friendship that I lost and
Speaker 3: I could never recover. What was the other questions?
Speaker 1: It was basically how the franchise and the medium I
Speaker 1: changed from then to now.
Speaker 3: Well, I think social media changed the game in a
Speaker 3: good and a bad way. When we were on it,
Speaker 3: there were no filters at all, So if there were
Speaker 3: haters and things like that. You couldn't turn it off.
Speaker 3: There was no filter. I mean, you can go off
Speaker 3: social media, but there was no blocking.
Speaker 2: There was no Twitter. I went to Twitter. Twitter.
Speaker 3: I don't even look at Twitter, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: like it, right, but you can block on Twitter. Now
Speaker 3: you can block all lots of stuff, so you can
Speaker 3: block the noise. Even if you want to let them follow,
Speaker 3: you can still block seeing it. You couldn't do that.
Speaker 3: The other thing was Bravo made us blog and those
Speaker 3: blogs also killed each other. We'd killed each other. So
Speaker 3: whatever happened on the show was amplified ten times because
Speaker 3: of these stupid blogs, which, by the way, they don't
Speaker 3: do them anymore. So there's a lot of things that when.
Speaker 1: The reion was one episode and I wore what was
Speaker 1: in my closet? I wore Jill sure right, the reunion
Speaker 1: wasn't that I wore a fucking Jenny Hillfiger dress.
Speaker 2: Did my own up? I look like a clown? I think.
Speaker 2: I mean it was a disaster because it was it
Speaker 2: was real. Who cares about my hair?
Speaker 3: My hair was closer to God. I mean, it was insane,
Speaker 3: but I like that.
Speaker 1: I well, when I went, I like that, look at
Speaker 1: us both now out we didn't. This is a big deal.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are gonna watch this. And I'm
Speaker 1: sweating like a horn Church tick scrolling up my neck.
Speaker 1: We have no hair makeup, like, we don't care because
Speaker 1: it's the meat. It's not the the cake is not
Speaker 1: the frosting. We're like, we don't care. Always look at me,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And that works seventy five diamond buttons
Speaker 1: in my hair.
Speaker 3: And I don't know when the networks will learn. And
Speaker 3: it's not just like Bravo or anyone in particular, that
Speaker 3: it's not the name of the show. It's the cast.
Speaker 3: It's the cast. It's the cast. It's the cast. And
Speaker 3: I think that when they cleaned House of four Housewives,
Speaker 3: when I was eliminated, whatever was the biggest mistake they
Speaker 3: made on New York, I took took them years to sweep.
Speaker 2: They never I mean they never recovered.
Speaker 3: They never recovered. I mean they were covered a little
Speaker 3: when we.
Speaker 1: Came back, when I came back, When I came back
Speaker 1: and went right back to where it was.
Speaker 2: By the way, you look at the ratings, right, so
Speaker 2: I'm giving credit.
Speaker 3: Was just no I didn't.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely gave it to you. I know what I know. Yes,
Speaker 2: taking back the credit.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, no, it went it was bad, it went
Speaker 1: back up, but it went back.
Speaker 3: I mean I have the proof too. It's actually it's
Speaker 3: on Wikipedia. You can look at the ratings of every season.
Speaker 2: You sick. Fuck wow.
Speaker 3: You can look at the waitings of every season. And
Speaker 3: we were like, and I'm not saying it was just me.
Speaker 1: So you knew about ratings for I knew a ratings men,
Speaker 1: and you knew how Simon was the king. No, Simon
Speaker 1: was the king, but you know, you were the business.
Speaker 1: You would go as much as I'm good at business,
Speaker 1: you're better in certain ways, and so is Romona. You
Speaker 1: would go to like those parties where the advertisers were,
Speaker 1: you would get the parts of people, you would network,
Speaker 1: and then you would know what people were paying for
Speaker 1: the ads that she's do.
Speaker 3: You know what you knew? I never knew about ad spence.
Speaker 3: You knew about what was going on. I was trying
Speaker 3: to get you know, work or do something. That's why.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you knew what the advertising you did, you
Speaker 1: knew about the advertisers. Maybe that was romonas Okay.
Speaker 3: That's good though I would have thought of it. Maybe
Speaker 3: I would. You like, she's much much bigger hus than me.
Speaker 3: She's for that stuff I'm looking for different.
Speaker 1: So they dipped and then I left again, and then
Speaker 1: they dipped the.
Speaker 3: Big and they never did that again until now where
Speaker 3: they cleaned the entire shop. Ah, how about this one?
Speaker 3: Derinda said she was on pause and they put her
Speaker 3: on pause for all those reasons, and she even went
Speaker 3: to Bravo Khan and she stood in line with all
Speaker 3: the fans and said to Andy Cohn, why did you
Speaker 3: put me on pause? When am I coming off pause?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And nothing changed? You saw Ultimate Girls? Right, nothing changed?
Speaker 3: It was the same, Derinda. And then she just did
Speaker 3: Ultimate Girl's trip. So it's the same thing as Ramona.
Speaker 3: Like they say one thing, but then they do another.
Speaker 2: Right. That's saying Ramona was.
Speaker 1: Taken off the show, presumably for like some comics whatever,
Speaker 1: but then they put it back on the point is
Speaker 1: which I'm happy.
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't think I was the only one.
Speaker 3: First one I was saying, you can't do you cannot
Speaker 3: do legacy without Ramona.
Speaker 2: No, you do it with anyone else, and you cannot
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: You can do without me. You can do that what
Speaker 3: you can't do without Ramona? Sorry, and for them to
Speaker 3: even think of doing it. I even said I wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to do it without her. And then of course
Speaker 3: she says, you ready for this? Do you know that
Speaker 3: she did on a podcast she said that what was
Speaker 3: called Ramona Alice. Ramona said that it was the Loser Show.
Speaker 3: She says, why would I do it? It's not It's
Speaker 3: not the Legacy Show, It's the Loser Show.
Speaker 2: And then then she does.
Speaker 1: The show no, because I know, because Rona can't help herself.
Speaker 3: They did not ask her back on the Legacy. They
Speaker 3: invited me on, but they invited her. Do you know that?
Speaker 3: Then they invited her on the Legacy the one week,
Speaker 3: but they didn't invite her for the season one. That's
Speaker 3: why she called it the loser show.
Speaker 1: She wasn't invited me, and that you can't sanitize a
Speaker 1: showdown to not reflect actual women in New York like
Speaker 1: and be just this like perfect picture.
Speaker 3: And also you have editing, by the way, so anything
Speaker 3: that she said that was inappropriate, they could have cut out.
Speaker 3: You know that, right?
Speaker 2: Yes, but.
Speaker 1: That's the part they did something bad that she says
Speaker 1: they want like that.
Speaker 3: I mean they cut out like they bleeped out catch.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just saying, like when they want to,
Speaker 3: they can do what they want to do.
Speaker 1: They don't want to get sued by catch. There's always
Speaker 1: gonna be mistakes. They chose the story and the drama,
Speaker 1: you know, over the being.
Speaker 3: Well anyway, they brought it back, which I'm happy. I
Speaker 3: think she belongs on my I think it was a
Speaker 3: good thing, and I think they should bring to Rinda back.
Speaker 3: I wasn't saying that she should have been put on pause.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that they make up what they want
Speaker 3: to say where they want to say it, and then
Speaker 3: they do what they want to do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's a responsibility that the network has
Speaker 1: to not promote arguing between women like we're talking about that.
Speaker 3: I think it has to be arguing. I think women argue.
Speaker 1: I think that no means where are the depths of
Speaker 1: the woman who was on Beverly Hills and someone's son
Speaker 1: is being gay bullied online? Fraud and Erica Jane and
Speaker 1: the exploit to I'm sand is a line like is
Speaker 1: the line crussed?
Speaker 2: Is it? Has the world changed and you can't act
Speaker 2: like you're living in a world where me too.
Speaker 3: But I think if you're going to air it, you
Speaker 3: got to accept the consequences. And you know, no, I'm
Speaker 3: saying I know that.
Speaker 1: I know that the person who's doing it is saying,
Speaker 1: I'm doing this.
Speaker 2: I have these reasons to do it.
Speaker 1: But do you think that Bravo as a network has
Speaker 1: a responsibility to not like be happy when someone falls
Speaker 1: off the wagon or happy when someone there's a fraud
Speaker 1: or a prison sentence.
Speaker 3: Like That's why I'm so glad I'm not. I don't know,
Speaker 3: and I'm glad I'm not a network executive. Like what's
Speaker 3: happening with Vanda Pumpoules and the girl Rachel who's now
Speaker 3: and you know that's completely unaware of completely unaware of
Speaker 3: what happened. I mean, she really had some kind of
Speaker 3: mental breakdown because you saw she had no affect and she.
Speaker 2: Didn't see it. That was the one that there was
Speaker 2: cheating with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she just said all these things and had
Speaker 3: no remorse. That was the thing is like you do things.
Speaker 3: Everyone was even Tom Sandoval cried. He was remorseful that
Speaker 3: he cheated. He had remorse. She had zero effect.
Speaker 1: It was this medium celebrated peril celebrated like I don't know, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you you know? If you're one thing I
Speaker 1: said to Paul yesterday, the producer's job to go where
Speaker 1: the fish are and someone falls off the wagon, they
Speaker 1: themselves don't know the difference between real and not and not. Okay,
Speaker 1: because that's why I shoot that, because that's oh that's good.
Speaker 2: You're divorced and.
Speaker 3: Watch the show where you build up, you know, and
Speaker 3: have a story where you said you want to go
Speaker 3: right into it that it's boring, So like, yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess that the producers have to give you what you
Speaker 3: want if if the audience wants that, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of a show, you have to give.
Speaker 2: It to Oh no, I don't want the drama.
Speaker 1: I didn't want that. I just didn't need I didn't
Speaker 1: need to know. So I know what you're saying, to
Speaker 1: get to know someone, you want to meet their husband.
Speaker 3: I just well, you want to know a little bit
Speaker 3: about them and get to know them.
Speaker 1: It kind of that's my point. It was a distraction.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to know any more about them. It
Speaker 1: was like a distraction. I was like, now getting more
Speaker 1: to know about the baby.
Speaker 3: You don't even know where the cheese plate went came from?
Speaker 1: Right, But I didn't know any more about that. I
Speaker 1: wanted to know about them, and I didn't know.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying, that's why you have to slow
Speaker 3: down a minute, like they have to like let us
Speaker 3: meet them.
Speaker 2: No, I got it. I get that too.
Speaker 1: I just it was I still I knew everything I
Speaker 1: needed to know about you on the phone.
Speaker 3: I also think I would have done a ninety minute episode.
Speaker 3: I don't think in hours enough. I think that they
Speaker 3: should have given us a super sized episode so we
Speaker 3: can get more and more and more and really get
Speaker 3: into it. That's like produce ahead, right, get me more
Speaker 3: into it. That's why they do these like they don't
Speaker 3: want three episodes. Yeah, okay, Netflix, so whatever, they dropped
Speaker 3: three episodes or nine out because they want you to
Speaker 3: like get in.
Speaker 1: So you're remind So let's talk about the medium of
Speaker 1: television and how it's changed and you're competing with all
Speaker 1: these other things. Paul and I are doing a mom
Speaker 1: and pop YouTube series that like you know, with Scotch
Speaker 1: tape and and staple guns before today, and we'll get
Speaker 1: I've gotten hundreds of thousands of views. And then you
Speaker 1: have lu Ane and Sonia do Crappy Lake. They shot
Speaker 1: for two and a half months, they had an entire crew,
Speaker 1: they did photoshoots, glossy. They got five hundred thousand viewers.
Speaker 1: So explain, like, is the is the medium of TV
Speaker 1: really changes change?
Speaker 3: I think they got picked up. I think they're doing
Speaker 3: it crappy like.
Speaker 2: They're doing it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so but what does that mean that you're
Speaker 1: getting It's five hundred thousand beer is good in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three.
Speaker 3: Yes, because it's a different because now it's different numbers,
Speaker 3: because now you've got streaming and every maybe they throw
Speaker 3: peacock in So five hundred maybe that for Bravo, But
Speaker 3: now throwing peacock and streaming good and they get that
Speaker 3: appisode and the repeats and the money. I think it's
Speaker 3: just changes.
Speaker 2: It's interesting. Okay, good