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Speaker 2: Last day at June Rich, which I guess from a

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Speaker 2: month standpoint, is the halfway point of the year. Technically

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Speaker 2: it's July second, but you know, six months, six months.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this because as I approached my

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Speaker 2: big birthday on Thursday, the older I've gotten time seems

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Speaker 2: to accelerate. So I'm gonna ask you the many years

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Speaker 2: we known each other, do you find now that as

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Speaker 2: we rifle through these years, the time is picking up

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Speaker 2: pace for you? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I think that's true for everybody. I

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Speaker 4: think the older you get, the shorter days become because

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Speaker 4: you have a mountain of days in your rear view mirror.

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Speaker 4: Whereas when you're a kid, every day feels like the

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Speaker 4: longest day ever because you because the truth is you

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Speaker 4: haven't experienced that many days, you know, so you have

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Speaker 4: no perspective of time. But yeah, the older you get,

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Speaker 4: the shorter days feel the shorter years, or I should

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Speaker 4: say the more quickly years pass by and it. But

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Speaker 4: even though you say that, right, one thing is interesting.

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Speaker 4: There are times where everything slows down, like times where

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Speaker 4: there's big news. You know, I don't know, in the

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Speaker 4: political cycle it's election years, or you know, if there's

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Speaker 4: some sort of tragedy unfortunately, or if there's a situation

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Speaker 4: where sports is delivering a big story that everybody seems

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Speaker 4: to fixate on. And I think that's the reason why

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Speaker 4: it feels like time slows down because normally, in our

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Speaker 4: culture and our society, we just bounce from.

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Speaker 1: Story to story to story to story.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like a twenty four hour news cycle that

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Speaker 4: rinsed itself after exactly twenty four hours. So you wake

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Speaker 4: up with new news the next day, and then the

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Speaker 4: day after that it's gonna be different from the day

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Speaker 4: and so forth. So when the sports world, in our world,

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Speaker 4: when all of a sudden there's a piece of news

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Speaker 4: that we're all fixating on for a long time. That's

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Speaker 4: when it feels like that that time that speeds up

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Speaker 4: over the course of your life, it feels like it

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Speaker 4: slows down and we have to settle in and sort

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Speaker 4: of dig our heels in and discuss something for a little.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I've been very fortunate obviously over these many years to

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Speaker 2: be eye witnessed to a lot of major sporting events,

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Speaker 2: and I do that. I don't know how many people

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Speaker 2: do this, but I think more people should do this.

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Speaker 2: Every once in a while, if I'm in the midst

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Speaker 2: of so something historic or something that is consequenced in

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Speaker 2: some way, I will literally hit the pause button, like

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Speaker 2: in the moment, like I'll be literally like I pause

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Speaker 3: Take it in.

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Speaker 2: I mean I do this consciously, like I actually hit

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Speaker 2: so if we rifled through like you say, now, you

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Speaker 2: and I we had the great challenge back four years

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Speaker 2: ago during the COVID shutdown where we were doing you know,

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Speaker 2: radio all week long during the week and on the weekends,

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Speaker 2: and we had to generate stories when there were no

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Speaker 2: stories I mean literally no stories, and yeah, things really

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Speaker 2: slowed down. I look back and I say, I give

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Speaker 2: problem now because we have a million things going on

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Speaker 2: in the world of sports. By the way, John Paul

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Speaker 2: Morosi are Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider's going to be

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Speaker 2: joining us here in about twelve minutes or so.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the Lakers have got.

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Speaker 2: A lot of storylines and we're going to share several

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Speaker 2: different lines. I want to get to Brony a little

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Speaker 2: out of the fifty one million dollar deal, and reports

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Speaker 2: going to help the Lakers, which I would applaud. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if he takes considerably less money to give the Lakers

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Speaker 2: Think about this for Lebron, so he is going to

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Speaker 2: have something that's never happened before. A father playing with

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Speaker 2: As great as that is, how about taking a next level?

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Speaker 2: How about winning a championship and sharing that moment with

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Speaker 2: I and I here's what I believe. I think that

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Speaker 2: it's hard for Lebron James because he and I believe,

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Speaker 2: he's a really good father. He wants to help his

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Speaker 2: but that was his dream, like to be in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: And so the one way his father could help him

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Speaker 2: to realize that dream. But that being said, in his mind,

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Speaker 2: he's thinking, wow, but imagine this. Imagine if we win

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Speaker 2: a championship, we have a championship season, and I shared

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Speaker 2: that entire experience of my son, and then he gets

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I mean, that's that's gotta be

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Speaker 2: in Lebron's mind right now. It's not about money Lebron's

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Speaker 2: got more money. He's taken care of the next five

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Speaker 2: generations of James's. So I think this could be a

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Speaker 2: coup for the Lakers. Now how they use that money,

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Speaker 2: that would be interesting. But if he does take considerably

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Speaker 2: less money, and keep in mind, Lebron has never been

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Speaker 2: like a Patrick Mahomes right now with the Chiefs, taking

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Speaker 2: does that, then I'll say bring on JJ Reddick, bring

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Speaker 2: on Bronny James, because if they can add a few

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Speaker 2: pieces and we'll have some names to throw out at you. Now,

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Speaker 2: you're doing what's right for the organization and not just

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Speaker 2: what's right for you.

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Speaker 4: No, And I think that's Lebron James in sort of

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Speaker 4: the whatever you want to call it in the in

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Speaker 4: the in the box, like you know that that is

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Speaker 1: It's part and Parcel.

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Speaker 4: I think at this point in his career, what he

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Speaker 4: can deliver to you is not only a championship effort

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Speaker 1: In this league still. I mean name you can't.

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Speaker 4: But try to name twenty players better than Lebron James,

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Speaker 4: you'll have a hard time.

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Speaker 1: So you're going to have Lebron James.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna have his son, fortunately or unfortunately, whichever way

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Speaker 4: you want to look at that. But then you're going

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Speaker 4: to have his will and his determination to win, because

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Speaker 4: I think the goal.

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Speaker 1: Was to see if this was even possible. That was

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Speaker 4: And if you're a goal setter, if you're somebody who

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Speaker 4: concentrates on setting goals for yourselves, you always know you

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Speaker 4: got to break it into chunks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if I want to.

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Speaker 4: Achieve this big goal, what do I have to accomplish first? Well,

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Speaker 4: if you want to win a championship with your son

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Speaker 4: before you retire, you need to get your.

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Speaker 1: Son into the NBA. First. Now, that's a big hurdle

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Speaker 4: However, you're Lebron James, so you're gonna have an easier

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Speaker 4: time doing that than anybody else on the planet. Well,

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Speaker 4: not only did you get your son into the NBA,

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Speaker 4: but you also got him drafted by the team that

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Speaker 4: you play for. Now he has opted out of his contract. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Rich Paul did jump on ESPN, like you said, and

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Speaker 4: he said his exact quote is he is prioritizing a

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Speaker 4: roster improvement. He has been adamant about excluding all efforts

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Speaker 4: to him or excuse me, exuding all efforts to improve

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Speaker 4: the roster. So you know what that means. It means

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Speaker 4: his eyes are still set on exactly what you said.

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Speaker 4: The ultimate goal is to win another championship, and to

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Speaker 4: win a championship with his son, and with that being

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Speaker 4: in the near distance, he can absolutely lean on the

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Speaker 4: Lakers to make improvements to this roster, to spend all

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Speaker 4: the way up to and over the salary cap, potentially

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Speaker 4: if he takes a pay cut, because if he's gonna

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Speaker 4: put together a winning roster.

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Speaker 1: So I completely agree with you.

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Speaker 4: I think that the goal either shifted once he got

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Speaker 4: drafted by the Lakers or it was part of the

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Speaker 4: overall goal to win a championship with his son. But

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Speaker 4: either way, Lebron James, he is going to try to

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Speaker 4: build the strongest version of the Lakers that he can

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Speaker 4: possibly build now that his son is a part of it.

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Speaker 4: Because there's so few left boxes to check in his career,

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Speaker 4: this would be an amazing box left to check.

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Speaker 2: All right, before we move on and get in John

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Speaker 2: Palm Morosi. So right at the top of the hour here,

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Speaker 2: as we're getting on the air, I texted my dear friend,

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Speaker 2: former broadcast partner, Michael Thompson, who obviously he has worked

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Speaker 3: And I've talked about this before.

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Speaker 2: I first met Clay when he was fourteen years old,

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Speaker 2: so I've known the Thompson family for twenty years.

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Speaker 3: So I texted Michael right as we were going on

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I said, Hi, Michael, any chance Clay becomes a Laker?

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Speaker 2: He has responded to me. His response was this, very

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Speaker 2: good chance, and then he hit the same response a

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Speaker 2: second time, Very good chance.

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Speaker 5: Are you breaking news here, Steve.

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you right now, Michael Thompson says, as

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Speaker 2: I am literally reading that, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Going to come in there and checking the break and all.

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Speaker 2: Here it is right here, Hi, Michael, any chance Clay

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Speaker 2: becomes a Laker? Very good chance, very good chance. And

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Speaker 2: then I responded, make it happen.

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Speaker 5: There you go. Thank you, Steve, doing your job.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like not that Michael has that kind

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Speaker 3: of power, but I mean.

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Speaker 1: Michael, but Steve Hartman does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I haven't. I have no power.

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Speaker 2: But I mean when when you look people to look

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Speaker 2: at a guy like Klay Thompson. Well, we're going to

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Speaker 2: get into this a little bit later on because I

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Speaker 2: want to sort of explore Obviously, you know Bo obviously

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Speaker 2: in what the next move is. But I think it's

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Speaker 2: safe to say expect Lebron to take considerable lists.

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Speaker 3: He will only do so, though, And the.

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Speaker 2: Delay is this and if if you're if you're Lebron,

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Speaker 2: I would do this. Okay, I'll take less. What's the

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Speaker 2: game plan? Ye give me the names you're talking about,

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Speaker 2: give me the money we're talking about. I'm not agreeing

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Speaker 2: to anything until you can give me the guys that

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Speaker 8: I think that to kind of come back around at

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Speaker 8: the beginning, Tristan McKenzie is not He's not like six six,

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Speaker 8: two hundred and forty pounds, and I think that he's

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Speaker 8: coming back from surgery from injury. He's not quite the

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Speaker 8: same guy. And I do think the human side of

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Speaker 8: this when when the hitters are so unforgiving because they're

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Speaker 8: so good that when you are not at your peak

446
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Speaker 8: and you're getting hit around a little bit, then it's snowballs.

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Speaker 8: The confidence wanes, the conviction and pitches waynes, The ability

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Speaker 8: to locate a pitch and challenge a hitter goes backwards

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Speaker 8: because you don't want to get hit hard. But it's

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Speaker 8: a mental game that feeds into the physical. But it

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Speaker 8: all comes down to the health part of it. And

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Speaker 8: the reality is the more that we're asking of pitchers now,

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Speaker 8: and the more demands are putting on their arms, guys,

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Speaker 8: the closer and closer rich the number of starts that

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Speaker 8: a pitcher feels like he's one hundred percent, that number

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Speaker 8: is going to get closer and closer to the number

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Speaker 8: that you gave me a minute ago. And I think

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Speaker 8: this is where we're at right now in Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 2: All right, I got to sneak in one more here. Currently,

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Speaker 2: as we said, show hey, Otani is the hottest leadoff

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Speaker 2: hitter in the history of baseball. He leads the league

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Speaker 2: in batting average, slug in percentage ops, total bases, home runs,

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Speaker 2: and runs scored. From an MVP voting standpoint, though, does

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Speaker 2: he it penalize for being only a DH.

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Speaker 8: So here's what I would say. There was the year,

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Speaker 8: and it was an interesting year because, of course, was

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Speaker 8: two years ago when when Judge got it over over Otani.

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Speaker 8: I said Judge was the deserving winner. And a large

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Speaker 8: part of that was that I thought that Judge had

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Speaker 8: the offensive component and then he was playing defense in

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Speaker 8: center fields. We had a defensive component. In the case

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Speaker 8: of Otani, he had the at the plate value and

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Speaker 8: then on the mound value. Now he's just at the plate,

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Speaker 8: not just I mean I should it's not just, it's

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Speaker 8: just he is doing one thing right now. I think

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Speaker 8: there's a reason why as great as Edgar Martinez was

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Speaker 8: throughout his career, as great as Big Poppy was, you

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Speaker 8: just typically don't see DH's win MVP. It's not that

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Speaker 8: it would never happen, but you need to look at

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Speaker 8: the the component value of the other contestants. I think

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Speaker 8: that unfortunately for the Dodgers, the injury to Mooki certainly

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Speaker 8: changes the calculus a bit. From the Phillies' perspective, the

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Speaker 8: time that Harper's missing could could change that a little bit.

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Speaker 8: But let's just say this for the sake of argument.

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Speaker 8: Let's say that by the end of the year, hypothetically

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Speaker 8: Harper puts together an offensive year that is eighty percent

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Speaker 8: or eighty five percent as good as Otani, which would

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Speaker 8: be a pretty amazing year. Hypothetically he gets there, and

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Speaker 8: then he's also playing first base, new position for him,

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Speaker 8: a position that he is playing to help the Phillies

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Speaker 8: put the best defensive slash offensive team out there. Every day.

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Speaker 8: He's helping his manager by learning a new position that

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Speaker 8: to me has extraordinary value. And I could easily see

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Speaker 8: if that's the case. If you believe if Harper gets

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Speaker 8: about eighty five percent of what Otani does offensively, and

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Speaker 8: then he gives you good defensive value in a way

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Speaker 8: that allows Rob Thompson to put the best team on

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Speaker 8: the field. I would tend to give the edge to

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Speaker 8: Harper in that scenario. But if Harper's only sixty percent

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Speaker 8: of Atani, if he doesn't and if he comes back

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Speaker 8: from injury is not quite the same player, then it

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Speaker 8: changes things. But I do think you give I always

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Speaker 8: give at least bonus credit to players that give big

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Speaker 8: defensive value to their team, or whose defensive versatility, such

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Speaker 8: as Mookie Betts, for example, what he's done for the Dodgers,

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Speaker 8: even though he's out right now, That to me almost

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Speaker 8: always tips the scales, because the defensive component is real

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Speaker 8: from the standpoint of roster and lineup construction.

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Speaker 3: There it is from a man that votes on such things.

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Speaker 2: The Great John Paul Morosi, JP, great stuff as always today,

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Speaker 2: enjoy your week, Enjoy your fourth of July holiday.

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Speaker 3: We'll check it within next week.

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Speaker 8: Look forward to my friends, and I tell you what,

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Speaker 8: now that we're entering July, be that much longer before

515
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Speaker 8: AJ Preller makes his next grape. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 8: next week.

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Speaker 3: And the Padres are on a roll right now.

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Speaker 2: So he my one there there, really blew out the

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Speaker 2: Red Sox yesterday out of Fenway.

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Speaker 3: All right, JP, thanks.

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Speaker 8: So much, all the best every week.

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Speaker 2: That's John Palm Morosi. Now let's find out what is trending.

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Speaker 2: She is standby, laid very patiently here, MONSI, how are

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Speaker 2: you today?

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Speaker 9: I am well, I'm not gonna lie to you.

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Speaker 10: My friend just adopted a cat and send me a picture.

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Speaker 10: So really that's all I care about right now.

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Speaker 1: Really, she's gotta go.

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Speaker 9: I gotta to go, literally literally can I go? Because

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Speaker 9: she just sent me a picture. She already has one

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Speaker 9: cat who's who we call.

532
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Speaker 10: KitKat, and this one is like a little bit like

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Speaker 10: a light tan color.

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Speaker 9: So I was like, well it has to match KitKat.

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Speaker 2: So Butterfinger, I just had a picture said to me

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Speaker 2: of Rocky our dog here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Oh they just yeah, I mean they just bring such joy,

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Speaker 10: maybe such joy.

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Speaker 9: So a new kiddy cat. Anyway, what are we doing? Sports? Okay,

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Speaker 9: let's start the NBA. The Pistons have found their new

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Speaker 9: head coach. It's former Calfs head coach JB. Bickers staff

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Speaker 9: a five year deal.

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Speaker 10: According to ESPN, forward Obi Toppin intends to sign a

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Speaker 10: four year deal sixty million to stay with the Indiana

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Speaker 10: Indiana Piecers. Also ESPN reporting that one in the WNBA,

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Speaker 10: we do have a game going on right now. It's

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Speaker 10: the Dream and the Liberty, with the Liberty now on

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Speaker 10: top sixty seven to fifty nine, they were down seven

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Speaker 10: minutes to go.

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Speaker 9: Still to come.

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Speaker 10: Indiana Fever taking on the Mercury so Caitlin Clark, Diana Tarassi.

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Speaker 10: All of that starts at three pm Eastern time and

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Speaker 10: This is the largest age gap between two starting guards

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Speaker 10: nineteen years, two hundred and twenty five days.

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Speaker 9: That is a gap.

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Speaker 2: I am very interested in this match, but we're going

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Speaker 2: to get into this for h.

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Speaker 10: So about twenty three minutes away from tip off on

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Speaker 10: that one also exciting round of sixteen at Euro twenty

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Speaker 10: twenty four, we were talking about the last couple of

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Speaker 10: hours that.

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Speaker 9: England was down to Slovak. Not anymore.

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Speaker 10: They have taken the lead, they tied the game like

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Speaker 10: at the ninety fifth minute, they went to extra time.

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Speaker 9: It is official.

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Speaker 10: England has beat Slovakia in the round of sixteen, two

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Speaker 10: to one. A comeback for England. Now let's move on

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Speaker 10: to Major League Baseball. All rise because Aaron Judge has

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Speaker 10: hit home run number thirty one of the season.

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Speaker 9: It leads Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 10: Yankees blanking the Blue Jays four zero, bottom of the third,

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Speaker 10: Rafael Devers with a two run shot. The Red Sox

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Speaker 10: are beating the Padres three zero bottom of the fourth.

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Speaker 10: The Marlins have just taken the lead over the Phillies

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Speaker 10: three to two top of the fourth, Astros blanking the

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Speaker 10: Mets three zero bottom of the fourth. Rays are blanking

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Speaker 10: the Nationals four zero, bottom of the fourth as well.

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Speaker 10: The Cubs are beating the Brewers one zero bottom of

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Speaker 10: the second, the Royals beating the Guardians one zero bottom

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Speaker 10: of the second as well, And the Rockies are on

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Speaker 10: the scoreboard. They're beating the White Sox two zero. They're

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Speaker 10: about to start the third inning. There was a very

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Speaker 10: early game. The Pirates already beat the Braves four to two,

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Speaker 10: so they avoid this sweep. And we also have the

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Speaker 10: Rocket Mortgage Classic. Now the leaders teed off not too

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Speaker 10: long ago. Aaron Rai is still in the lead now,

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Speaker 10: eighteen underd part overall.

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Speaker 9: He is one under for the day through two holes.

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Speaker 10: Aha, Batiya Batsiya Botsia, I think it's Batsia. He is

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Speaker 10: one shot back. All right, kit cat names, send them

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Speaker 10: to me. She's like a little tan little kitten and

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Speaker 10: the other one is KitKat. So we got to match it, right, Yeah, but.

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Speaker 4: It has to be like like butterfingers. Okay, but it

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Speaker 4: has to be something cat like.

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Speaker 9: For sure, for sure.

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Speaker 10: So if you think of something, send it my way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll do.

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Speaker 2: Niggers isn't a good name for a cat name.

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Speaker 3: It is a good one as sickers.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, that's cute. Okay, I'm gon a text her.

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Speaker 3: Try that one.

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Speaker 2: Hi, all right, Monchie, we'll check in with you a

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Speaker 2: little bit later on here on Fox Sports Sunday. Uh

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Speaker 2: I wanted to get that last question in with JP

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Speaker 2: about Otani because you know, Shoey Otani. Were he to

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Speaker 2: win National League MVP would join Frank Robinson as the

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Speaker 2: only two players in the history of Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: to win MVP awards in both leagues. Frank Robinson's the

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Speaker 2: only one that's ever done that, and that was back

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Speaker 2: in the sixties. But I know where he's coming from.

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Speaker 2: This is a guy that does vote. He doesn't vote

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Speaker 2: specifically for MVP. It's sort of a rotation. One year

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Speaker 2: he does cy Young Manager of the Year, Rookie of

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Speaker 2: the Year.

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Speaker 3: But if you're only a DH.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the way Otani he literally is

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Speaker 2: now hitting a home run every day since he went

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Speaker 2: to the leadoff role with Mookie out with that fractured

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Speaker 2: hand for the Dodgers. But I thought it was interesting

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Speaker 2: how he just said, yeah, but it's not like it

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Speaker 2: was Otani pitcher slash hitter.

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Speaker 3: He's only a DH. I don't know. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: I mean the number.

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Speaker 2: By the way, he also leads the nation league in

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Speaker 2: war if you believe in that stat But I don't know,

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Speaker 2: what do you think you did to be the most

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Speaker 2: valuable player? Do you have to be more than a DH?

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, look no.

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Speaker 4: The answer, the short answer is no, and the reason

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Speaker 4: is because the most valuable player oftentimes isn't actually the

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Speaker 4: most valuable player. It's a popularity contest as much as

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Speaker 4: it is any sort of bar that a player needs

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Speaker 4: to meet or exceed, because there are plenty.

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say every year.

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Speaker 4: Some years there are actually like there's one player who

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Speaker 4: soars above the rest it's impossible for anybody to deny,

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Speaker 4: and so they get named.

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Speaker 1: Most valuable player.

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Speaker 4: And this is true in any league. But I do

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Speaker 4: think that for the most part, there's a couple of

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Speaker 4: worthy candidates at least, and it becomes difficult and then

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Speaker 4: it becomes about a popularity contest. So I think, show, hey,

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Speaker 4: whether or not he deserves it or not, that's worthy

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Speaker 4: of debate, you know, depending on how people feel about

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Speaker 4: the DH and all that. But the reality of the

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Speaker 4: situation is he'll win the popularity contest because he's inarguably

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Speaker 4: one of the league's most popular players unless somebody really

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Speaker 4: soars past him. Here with the remaining four months of

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Speaker 4: the baseball season, I kind of feel like it's his

651
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Speaker 4: award to lose if he stays on this type of pace.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, he's leading the league in just every

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Speaker 2: significant batting category, and normally anyone that does that on

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Speaker 2: a team that's sitting in first place is a sure

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Speaker 2: ticket to be an MVP.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, I you know, the idea of DHDH is very

659
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: much now, it's universal.

660
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: It's not just one league versus the other.

661
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: Obviously, the National League didn't have a DH until recently,

662
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: but there have been dhs in the American League that

663
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: have won MVP awards. I mean, I go back to

664
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: the seventies. There was a Don Baylor who later became

665
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: a very successful manager. It was a d H essentially

666
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: for the Angels when they won their first division title

667
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 2: in seventy nine. He was a runaway MVP. That was

668
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 2: way back in the day. So no, I don't penalize

669
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: a time. This guy is hitting like four hundred and

670
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: fifty foot bombs every day. I mean, it's un frickin'

671
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: real Meanwhile, in the American League, Aaron Judge is running

672
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: away with the award. I mean it's like, I mean,

673
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 2: here we are, you know, on the about to bring

674
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: in the month of July, and it looks like, in

675
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: my case, the MVP Awards have been decided. It's like

676
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 2: Aaron Judge and Shoe Otani are just absolutely separating themselves

677
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Speaker 2: from the rest of the field. All right, coming up

678
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: on the other side, I want to get back a

679
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: little bit to the Lakers situation from the standpoint of

680
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: what this all means for a.

681
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 3: Young kid by the name of Brownie James.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Hartman and Rich Hornberger,

683
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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Sunday.

684
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Speaker 3: We're live from the Ti Iraq studios.

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Speaker 2: From what I've observed, Rich Bronnie James seems to be

686
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: a young man that's got his head screwed on, right.

687
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: I give his parents credit for that. I think he

688
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: has a level of maturity. With all the spotlight that's

689
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: been on him since he's been a kid, considering who

690
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: his father is, I think he's handled it well. But

691
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: he's about to go on an entirely different level. There

692
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: are very few people out there that ever actually saw

693
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: him play at USC, and the reality of his time

694
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 2: at USC is not pretty at all. He shot thirty

695
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: six percent from the field, twenty six percent from the

696
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: three point line. He had more games where he had

697
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: zero points than double digits. Anyone with his collegiate resume

698
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: would not get a sniff of the NBA. Nobody with

699
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: that kind of season one season of college ball. But

700
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: because of his father, because of the circumstances, he's going

701
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: to get that opportunity. But the kind of spotlight he's

702
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: about to embark on is unlike anything he's experienced before

703
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: because if he struggles, and believe me, I am hoping

704
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: this works out.

705
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: I'm rooting for Brownie James. I'm rooting for him.

706
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: Forget his dad, I'm rooting for this kid because the

707
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: pressure will be immense.

708
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: But if he falls short, if it's.

709
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: Obvious that he is nowhere near ready to play at

710
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 2: this level, social media is going to savage him because

711
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 2: that's the nature of social media. And how he handles

712
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: that and how the Lake organization handles that, and how

713
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: his father handles that could have a telling sign for

714
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: his entire future. And his dream is to play in

715
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: the NBA. He's going to get an opportunity that again,

716
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,439
Speaker 2: someone with his resume coming out of college would never

717
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: be given this opportunity based on that one year, he's

718
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: going to have that opportunity, And if he's overwhelmed by

719
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 2: the experience, if he's nowhere near ready two years ago

720
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: he was second team All league in high school, it

721
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: could devastate him in terms of his future to play

722
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: professional basketball. I worry about him. I'm rooting for him,

723
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: But how do you think this is going to play out?

724
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: Well?

725
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 4: I mean, look, Bronni James has just as good of

726
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 4: a shot as any journeyman in the NBA, except he

727
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 4: has one thing going for him that any other journeyman

728
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 4: doesn't have, and that's the fact that his dad is

729
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 4: Lebron James. So he's going to be given every opportunity

730
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: to have success. So I agree with you to a

731
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 4: certain extent if his measure of himself as a person

732
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 4: is revolved completely around basketball, and whether or not this

733
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 4: works out for him is going to make or break

734
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 4: how he feels about himself from the way he identifies himself.

735
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 4: Because look, it's true with many athletes, you truly die

736
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 4: to deaths. You die the first time when you finally

737
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: have to lay down the sword and never play your

738
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 4: sport again at a competitive level. And that's a really

739
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 4: difficult thing for people to do. And then obviously when

740
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 4: they put you in the ground for good is the

741
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: second time, and experiencing that is like experiencing the death

742
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 4: of an identity.

743
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: So if Bronnie James is.

744
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 4: The type of kid man who considers himself a basketball

745
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: player and that's the way he identifies himself and that's

746
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 4: all he ever wanted to be, and that's you know,

747
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: he's gonna have to come to grips at some point

748
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 4: with the fact that maybe he is in anymore, you know,

749
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: and maybe it was the fact that his dad was

750
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 4: who he was that got him entrance and opportunity and

751
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 4: things of that nature.

752
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: But there's another side of that coin.

753
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 4: What if this works, Like what if Bronnie James develops

754
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: under the tutelage of his father, the Lakers organization, the

755
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 4: good coaching that they're going to hire and put around him,

756
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 4: some of the role players who may help him out,

757
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 4: and he flourishes.

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00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, at very least take the chance.

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00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 4: And that's what bron or I should say, lebron James

760
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: senior is doing with his son.

761
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no problem using a second round pick.

762
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: It's a throwaway pick, I mean, you know, I mean,

763
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean anything. The fifty fifth pick in the

764
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: NBA draft is literally a who's who?

765
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Speaker 3: Who's that? I mean, very few.

766
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: Guys that are drafted fifty fifth ever have any NBA

767
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: career of note. So I didn't I didn't mind using

768
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: a pick on him. I just I hope you're right.

769
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: I hope he's going to have the right tutelage around him.

770
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: But it's going to be a tough grind for that

771
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: young man.

772
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Speaker 1: All right.

773
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Speaker 2: Coming up on the other side, let's get to some

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Speaker 2: should be. Well, we're about to tip off a w

782
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: NBA game. It's just amazing. Now much WNBA we talked

783
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: about as the Fever Kaitlyn Clark. They take on Phoenix

784
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: the Mercury, and this one is much anticipated, rich because

785
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: Diana Tarassi has made it clear she is not a

786
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: big fan of Caitlyn Clark. She made that known during

787
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: the NCA tournament when she and Sue Byrd did sort

788
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: of like a simulcast, you know, evaluation, and she said, no,

789
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: I would not take Caitlin Clark over several of the

790
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 2: other girls.

791
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 3: That were coming out in the draft that year.

792
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: And then she had sort of a snippy remark, very

793
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: quick remark when she was asked about the idea of

794
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: playing against her for the first time.

795
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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, that's good.

796
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: You know, yesterday with Monseiy and I were talking about it,

797
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: Monsey brought up something that I can't for a specific

798
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: reason because the last time I checked still a guy

799
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: and I'm not a woman. But you know, Moncey made

800
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: it clear it's different when it's woman versus woman. They're

801
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: just different than men, and they hold things in and

802
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: there's certain levels of jealousy.

803
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 3: I'm not saying this is what you know, MONSI said.

804
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: And because I can't say that because I don't know,

805
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: I'm only being a guy. But I mean, it just

806
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: seems to me for someone like Diana Tarassi, who has

807
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: played twenty years in the WNBA, the all time leading

808
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: score in the history of this league, that she needs

809
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: to understand that. If Caitlin Clark raises the profile of

810
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: the WNBA, it raises the value of what Diana Tarassi

811
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: has accomplished in the WNBA.

812
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 3: It becomes more nobody had really paid attention.

813
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden, there are people like, Oh,

814
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: I want to get a little bit to know about

815
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: the WNBA. Maybe they'll get into the history books. Who

816
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: says Diana Tarassi, she's the all time leading scores. He

817
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: played in twenty years. That's a remarkable run. It raises

818
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: the profile of what she's accomplished in this league by

819
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: having this lightning bolt of a star Caitlyn Clark joined

820
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: this league. She's got to figure this out, She's got

821
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: to understand this well.

822
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: I feel like the phrase that comes to mind is

823
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 4: cut off your nose to spite your face, And a

824
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 4: lot of the women in the WNBA, it feels like

825
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 4: they're doing this that they're taking in certain cases, you know,

826
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: Kennedy Carter Angel reeves low shots at Caitlin Clark, whether

827
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 4: it be on the court or off the court, and

828
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: they're making a spectacle of themselves around the spectacle of

829
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 4: this unbelievable college player turned pro. And then in the

830
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: case of Diana Tarassi, Look, she has her opinions. She's

831
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 4: entitled to him. If she doesn't think Caitlyn Clark has game,

832
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 4: that's her opinion. I can't argue with her. She knows

833
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: the WNBA better than I do, so on those grounds,

834
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: I refuse to get into any sort of war of

835
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 4: words or quarrel with somebody who is so educated and

836
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: so long veteran of the game of that league. So

837
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 4: that's not where That's not where my thoughts exist. My

838
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 4: thoughts exist exactly where where your thoughts exist, Steve, Which

839
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 4: is the promotion of this league, the public relations.

840
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: Master class that is Caitlyn Clark.

841
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 4: She has gotten all this attention and she hasn't had

842
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 4: one single negative moment in front of the camera, right,

843
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: I mean, it's unbelievable. And by the way, she's being

844
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 4: baited almost on a daily basis to have that poor moment.

845
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 4: And you know what, maybe the moment she does is

846
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 4: the moment that people start to lose, you know, interest

847
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 4: in the league because all of a sudden she lowers

848
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 4: herself to the bar, the low bar that many of

849
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: the other players who appear jealous of her in this

850
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 4: league have set where everybody starts going, ah, you know what,

851
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 4: I don't want to watch this, this is this is

852
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 4: just a soap opera. No, no, she's raised herself above

853
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 4: all of it. Now, the exact quote from Diana Tarassi,

854
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 4: it was short, it was terse, and she looked away

855
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: from the camera immediately. I mean, she showed total disdain

856
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 4: that the question was he's an asked of her. Yeah, so,

857
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: I mean I don't think I don't really read too

858
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: deeply into that, but I do read deeply into body language.

859
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: I do read deeply into the way Caitlin Clark, or

860
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 4: I should say, the reception of Caitlin Clark to this

861
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 4: league has come with, you know, almost animosity instead of

862
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 4: any sort of welcoming.

863
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: Look. I get it.

864
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 4: You know, somebody who maybe you feel like isn't one

865
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 4: of the best is getting treated like they are one

866
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 4: of the best, and that doesn't seem fair. But as

867
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 4: we know, sports aren't fair. You know, Look, I'm sure

868
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 4: she isn't the first first overall draft pick who is

869
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 4: treated really well by the league or by their team

870
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 4: because there's an investment made. I played with guys who

871
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 4: were drafted in the first round in the NFL, who

872
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 4: weren't good, who were not good football players, and everybody

873
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 4: in the building knew it.

874
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: Everybody in the building knew it.

875
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: They said, they looked at each other when oops, we

876
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 4: made a mistake here. And guess what. Those guys were

877
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 4: still given every single opportunity to have success. And why

878
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 4: it's because there was an investment made. Right now, the

879
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 4: WNBA has an investment in Caitlin Clark, so they're going

880
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 4: to see it through. And by the way, it's working

881
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 4: because their ratings have never been better, the tickets have

882
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 4: never sold more. So whether they like it, I'm talking

883
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 4: about the players in the league, whether they like it

884
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 4: or not. Whether it's a tough pill to swallow or not.

885
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 4: Guess what, Swallow the pill, and you're going to make

886
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 4: more money because ratings and interest in ticket sales generates

887
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 4: more revenue for the sport, something that has never happened

888
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 4: in the history of the league. And it's a twenty

889
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 4: plus year history of not making a single dollar so

890
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 4: take the good with the bad. The bad is yeah,

891
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 4: maybe you're gonna have to have a couple of you know,

892
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 4: sound clips about how Caitlin Clark is, you know, transforming

893
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 4: this game and she's bringing new interest to the league.

894
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 4: You don't have to say anything about whether you think

895
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 4: she's a good player or a bad player, but you

896
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 4: can at very least address the truth of the matter, which,

897
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 4: whether you like it or not, she has changed the sport.

898
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 4: There's more interest than ever before in this sport.

899
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 2: Well right now, the Phoenix Mercury Diana Trossi's team Brittany Griner,

900
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: also on the Phoenix Mercury, lead the Indiana Fever by

901
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: a score of eight to nothing. Off and running there anyway.

902
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: Just it is an interesting scenario. And it's uh because

903
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: because I think back last year, you know when when

904
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: Wimby was coming into the league, right, I mean he

905
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: was the most hype rookie in a number of years

906
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: to enter into the NBA, and it seemed universal among

907
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: the NBA stars. Lebron's really good at this where he

908
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: will trumpet the entry of a new star, that's right,

909
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 2: I mean, he this is the best thing he could

910
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: happen for our league.

911
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 10: Now.

912
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: Of course he's also sitting on a billion dollars, you know,

913
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 2: so he's not worried about his own legacy. And I

914
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: ge get some of the jealousies maybe with the amount

915
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: of money that Caitlin Clark is making off court that

916
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: some of the other women of the w NBA. But

917
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: that being said, it just seems like in the NBA now,

918
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: it wasn't always that way in the NBA. Believe me,

919
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: when Kobe Bryant came into the league, his second year

920
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: in the league, he still wasn't even a full time

921
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: starter for the Lakers, and he was voted a star

922
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: for the All Star team, and he got frozen out

923
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: of that game by some of the established stars.

924
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: He got frozen out, like they were not happy, like

925
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: this kid.

926
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: This kid is barely he's not even a starter for Lakers,

927
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: and in his second year in the league, the fans

928
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: have voted.

929
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 3: Him into the starting lineup for the All Star Game.

930
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 2: There were some jealousies, but that seems Lebron has changed

931
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: the dynamic on a lot of that.

932
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 3: He's always seen to be a big champion of the

933
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: influx of.

934
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: International stars and new stars coming into the league and.

935
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: That's what you want.

936
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: I mean when you think of like the NFL, the

937
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: growth of the NFL over the last several decades to

938
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: the megas status that it has right now, that has

939
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 2: only raised the profile of the great stars of the past.

940
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, be a good shepherd, right, And what does

941
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 4: that mean. It means that when you are leading a flock,

942
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: you are protecting it. You're making it look as I mean,

943
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 4: depending on what you're planning on doing with the flock

944
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 4: of sheep, you havelling it for meat or you know,

945
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 4: or taking care of it for a farmer who will

946
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 4: do with it. You take care of it right, You

947
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 4: grow it, you make it healthy, you make it safe.

948
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 4: That's what Lebron James is doing. He's being a good shepherd.

949
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 4: He's trying to keep as many people in the corral

950
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 4: as possible by championing his league and saying good things

951
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 4: about the players who are going to play.

952
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: In the league.

953
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 4: Because, by the way, that's the league that he's made

954
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 4: every single dollar bill as a professional in since he's eighteen,

955
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 4: nineteen years old out of high school in Ohio. Well,

956
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: guess what same for Diana Tarassi. You know, no offense

957
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 4: to Diana Tarassi. But every single dollar she's made as

958
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 4: a professional since she's left college has been related to basketball.

959
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: All the access she.

960
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 4: Has, the only reason why we even talk about her,

961
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 4: the fact that she's on television screens now.

962
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: Who knows.

963
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: Maybe her parents had more money, a little scratch that

964
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: she could share with her. Maybe she made some investments

965
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 4: in real estate and she has some side projects. Who knows.

966
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 4: But here's what I know is Diana Trossi the professional.

967
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 4: She has made her bones in the WNBA and being

968
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 4: a shepherd of the WNBA. Be a good shepherd, protect

969
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 4: the flock, because guess what that is where your money's at.

970
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: I don't understand it.

971
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 4: A lot of these these women in the WNBA, they're

972
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 4: looking at their number one money maker and they're doing

973
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 4: their hardest. They're doing their damnedest to try to diminish her.

974
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 4: Caitlin Clark is box office right now. Lean into it

975
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 4: this way, everybody benefits. I But look, jealousy is a

976
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 4: real thing. Envy all those that look those have been

977
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,839
Speaker 4: written about in biblical time, so it's it's been around

978
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 4: as long as people have been around, you know, So

979
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 4: I guess that's the big part of this story. Here

980
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 4: is as this season WANs on, that jealousy, that envy

981
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 4: still hasn't faded, and it's a bad look.

982
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: For the league.

983
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: All Right, I'm going to get to the NFL on

984
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: the other side, Rich, and the future of the NFL

985
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: draft very popular these days.

986
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 3: A million people show up to watch the draft.

987
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 2: But could the future of their draft completely change as

988
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: we have known it?

989
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 3: We'll explain why.

990
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and Rich Harberger

991
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: Here Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the tire

992
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: rack dot Com studios. All Right, I wanted to get

993
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: into something with you, Rich that I've been thinking about.

994
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: Ian.

995
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: You know, we're a little downtime here, were several weeks

996
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: away from the started training camps. Actually, yesterday Adam Kaplan

997
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: joined us and told us that actually some camps will

998
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: open as soon as in a couple of weeks where

999
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: certain players will actually be coming into camp. So we're

1000
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: getting close to the start of the season. We can't wait, obviously,

1001
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: but there's something I wanted to address, and a lot

1002
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,959
Speaker 2: of it has to do with you know, Rich, Paul

1003
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: made a statement allegedly telling other NBA.

1004
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 3: Teams do not.

1005
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: Raft Brownie James, because if you do, he will not

1006
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 2: sign with you.

1007
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: He'll play elsewhere.

1008
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 8: Now.

1009
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if any teams are seriously thinking about it.

1010
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: I doubt it, but I mean he was sort of

1011
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 2: putting it out there, like he'll go to Australia for

1012
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 2: a year, he will not sign with you.

1013
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: You're just literally wasting a pick.

1014
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 2: But you know, when we've been talking about the impact

1015
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: of nil and all this money that collegiate stars athletes

1016
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: are being paid these days, you look at the legality

1017
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: of the NFL draft, and according to the Sherman Anti

1018
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: Trust Act, the NFL draft is a complete violation of

1019
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 2: the anti trust laws in this country. You know, prior

1020
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 2: to twenty eleven, even though the draft was around, you

1021
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: could negotiate your rookie contract, right you know, Matthew Stafford

1022
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: and Sam Bradford got huge contracts, bigger than veteran contracts.

1023
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: And that came to an end in twenty eleven when

1024
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: the NFL, with the blessing by the way of the

1025
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 2: Players Union, cabash to that. So the way the draft

1026
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 2: is operated violates all the anti trust laws in this

1027
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: country because you cannot negotiate the best deal for yourself.

1028
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 2: You are told where to play, and you're told what

1029
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: you're going to get paid, and there's no negotiation, correct, none.

1030
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: That is complete violation of our federal anti trust laws.

1031
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: But now we have players making millions of dollars in

1032
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 2: nil coming out of college. They're not looking for that

1033
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 2: first real payday entering the National Football League.

1034
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 3: I mean, everyone says, well, if you don't have the draft,

1035
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 3: what happens?

1036
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 2: Okay, you could say this, You could say, all right,

1037
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: well if you eliminated the draft, well then the rich

1038
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 2: get richer and the poor get poor. I look at

1039
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: it differently because a lot of times in this league,

1040
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 2: the reason that some college stars fail in the NFL

1041
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: is because they're drafted by lose organizations. Isn't it amazing

1042
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 2: that you see the same organizations year after year after

1043
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 2: year have draft bust. Well, is that the player or

1044
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: is that the way that organization is being run. If

1045
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 2: you had an open field, free agency for all collegiate stars,

1046
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 2: in order to survive those organizations that are just sitting

1047
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: on these zillions of dollars that are funneled into those

1048
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: organizations without any effort on their part to win, would

1049
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 2: be forced to have to upgrade immediately or be eliminated.

1050
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: This has been just too cushy for the bad teams,

1051
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: the bad run organizations. They get to operate out of

1052
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: this draft. They don't have to pay any more money

1053
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: out of their pockets. Billions of dollars are being funneled

1054
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: into these organizations with any effort to make them better,

1055
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: and it's doing a disservice to the players. Look, the

1056
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: only group that can change this.

1057
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 3: Is the union. The Union is the one that allows

1058
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: this to happen.

1059
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 2: Explain that to me Rich because they try to challenge

1060
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: the union on the illegal nature of this draft, that

1061
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 2: it prevents players from actually negotiating deals that are best

1062
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 2: for them in a destination that is best for them.

1063
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 2: I've seen too many guys lose their potential as NFL

1064
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: players by being drafted, by losing organizations. When is the

1065
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: union going to step up and make a change.

1066
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: Well, simply put, the union is.

1067
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 4: When we say the union, people think we're talking about

1068
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 4: executives wearing suits. That's not what the union is. The

1069
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 4: Union are the players. You know, the two thousand or

1070
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 4: so players who are currently active or bouncing on and

1071
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 4: off rosters in the NFL. That makes up the NFLPA

1072
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 4: the Players Association. Now, don't get me wrong, there are

1073
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 4: elected officials that help leave the union, the executive director,

1074
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 4: the executive team. The player is the coalition of players

1075
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 4: who are the next tier down the executive board of players.

1076
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 4: But they are current active players who have lives and

1077
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 4: jobs and you know, responsibilities on teams that they're playing for.

1078
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 4: You know, to deal with the union business is something

1079
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 4: that they elect to do voluntarily so so that they

1080
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 4: can help move forward the mission, which is to make

1081
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 4: more money, to help each and every player have you know,

1082
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 4: better healthcare, or to potentially get a bigger slice of

1083
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 4: the pie from the revenue that's generated from the NFL.

1084
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: Overall.

1085
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 4: It's it's difficult, though, with this union to get them

1086
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 4: together and to make big changes because what it takes

1087
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 4: usually for big changes like what you're just described, you know,

1088
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 4: trying to change the way fundamentally teams fill their rosters

1089
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 4: that would require labor action that would require the union

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00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 4: to come together and strike or walk out or sit

1091
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 4: in or you know, create some sort of situation where

1092
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 4: they build leverage for themselves because they refuse to work

1093
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 4: until these demands are met.

1094
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: And when you have a young union.

1095
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 4: And that's the problem with the NFL in terms of

1096
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 4: getting labor action organized. When you have a young union

1097
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 4: where most of these players only last exist in the

1098
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 4: league for two to three years, how do you convince

1099
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 4: a guy who's getting his first taste at the big time.

1100
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 4: How do you convince a guy who's getting his first

1101
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 4: dollar bills in his pocket? Hey, you know what, instead

1102
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 4: of collecting a paycheck, we're going to ask you to

1103
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 4: sit out and potentially for an entire year where you're

1104
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 4: not going to be paid at all, and you're going

1105
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 4: to wait until we sort this out in the courts.

1106
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 4: It's asking a lot, it's asking a lot, and a

1107
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 4: lot of players aren't ready to make that sacrifice. In

1108
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 4: twenty eleven, when the owners locked out, the players like

1109
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 4: literally said, Hey, we are not going to agree to

1110
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 4: your terms on the next collective bardaining agreement, So we're

1111
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: gonna lock you out. We're not gonna let you play

1112
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 4: football until we get this thing settled. Even then, there

1113
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 4: were fans that were turning on the players because the

1114
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 4: ownership spin was these greedy players, they just want so

1115
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 4: much money. We're talking about billionaires. Billionaire owners were able

1116
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 4: to convince the general public that the players were the problem.

1117
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: And in some cases it worked. So will it ever change?

1118
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it'll change, But I'm telling you it's gonna

1119
00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 4: be a big battleship to turn because Steve, there's there's

1120
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 4: not a lot of players who are interested in in

1121
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 4: labor action.

1122
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: You have to have an alternative that And you know, again,

1123
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: what you're saying is if the unions step forward and

1124
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: say we will not play, we will not step on

1125
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: the field, none of us until the draft is eliminated.

1126
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: Like you say, I mean, these are young men throwing

1127
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: away millions of dollars and potential earnings for the future

1128
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: of the sport. But I and when people say it

1129
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: would be complete chaos, no, I don't believe that.

1130
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 3: It's not fair.

1131
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: Anybody else been drafted into their job out there, told

1132
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: where to play.

1133
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 3: Told exactly how much money they're gonna make.

1134
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 2: See this changed in twenty eleven because, like I said,

1135
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: the Matthew Staffords, the rich Ornbergers, the Sam Bradford's back

1136
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: in the day have freedom to hold out. They're gonna

1137
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: get more money. I don't know how much holding out

1138
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: you did. It's a port throng thing.

1139
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: But I did zero holding out.

1140
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: Exactly when are you gonna pay me? I'll take But

1141
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: I mean the fact was, at least then there was

1142
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 2: some negotiating power for the player. That was eliminad In

1143
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: twenty eleven, after the Sam Bradford deal, they said no

1144
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 2: more owners got together and somehow they got the union

1145
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: to agree.

1146
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: To that, and it changed the dynamic.

1147
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: Now you get drafted, you have no choice where you're drafted,

1148
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 2: you have no choice how much money you're gonna get paid.

1149
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: Nothing.

1150
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: But that was that was supported by the players.

1151
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 3: Now supported by the union.

1152
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: By the way, it has been challenged several times to

1153
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: no avail.

1154
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 4: The draft overall is something that's just been grandfathered in.

1155
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 4: Players have never contested it with labor action. But there's

1156
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 4: many players who obviously have contested it and spoken out

1157
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 4: against it in terms of actual interest in you know,

1158
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 4: labor action or trying to get something collectively bargained for.

1159
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 4: There were a lot of high paid players in the

1160
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 4: league who were interested in seeing rookies contracts scaled in

1161
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 4: the draft the way it.

1162
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: Is done now so that you don't have.

1163
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 4: Like you just mentioned Matthew Stafford or a Bradford to

1164
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 4: Sam Bradford getting these massive deals before they play football,

1165
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 4: because guess what that means. There's less money in the

1166
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 4: salary cap, which obviously all the owners have to spend

1167
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 4: up to a certain percentage of the cap. For the

1168
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 4: veterans who have been around the sport for a while,

1169
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 4: you know, it's look, I understand it.

1170
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: I understand it. The union has to.

1171
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 4: Provide opportunity for the lowest player on the roster, the

1172
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 4: fifty third player on the roster, and say the top

1173
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 4: five most important players on the roster. And that's a

1174
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 4: really difficult balance to strike, but you got to find

1175
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 4: a way to do it. Not everybody is going to

1176
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 4: be fulfilled or feel like they're being represented perfectly every

1177
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 4: single step of the way.

1178
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: But if there's one thing I think.

1179
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 4: All players would agree upon is the fact that the

1180
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 4: NFL Draft is unfair. That you should be able to

1181
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 4: negotiate your own contract going in and Steve, I think

1182
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 4: that time may be coming in the future because as

1183
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 4: players are making more and more money at the college

1184
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 4: level and at every level of play, whether you're in

1185
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 4: you know, the fifth best offensive lineman at Ohio State

1186
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,959
Speaker 4: or you're the top receiver in the country, you're gonna

1187
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 4: be able to make some dollar bills. So that means

1188
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 4: that you're gonna have a stronger union because you're gonna

1189
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 4: have richer players entering the league who potentially would be

1190
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 4: able to hold out against NFL ownership longer if asked

1191
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 4: to take labor action.

1192
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: This that could the fact.

1193
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 4: That players are being paid at the college level may

1194
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 4: be a tipping point in the whole draft conversation. I

1195
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 4: think it's gonna take some time, but it potentially could be,

1196
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 4: you know, the last domino that needed a fall in

1197
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 4: order for players to have more power in the NFL.

1198
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: All right, I have another twist on this on the

1199
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: other side, but first let's find out what is trending

1200
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 2: right now. Monty Belanos on the open market, forget it

1201
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: on the Oh.

1202
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 9: Yes, no, I'm not on the open market, not at all.

1203
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 3: No here I am. I know that. But I mean,

1204
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 3: if you're out there, there's no limit.

1205
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: There is no limit competition for her services.

1206
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 3: On air through the roof.

1207
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 10: Stop it, stop it. I don't I don't need to

1208
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 10: blush right now. We're on the radio, and thank you,

1209
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 10: but thank.

1210
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: You, Phillis.

1211
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 9: Let's start with the WNBA.

1212
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 10: The big game everybody's watching between Kaitlyn Clark, the Fever,

1213
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 10: Diana Tarassi and the Mercury. The Mercury came out high,

1214
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 10: they were up by more than double digits, but the

1215
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 10: Fever closed the gap to end the first quarter.

1216
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 9: Mercury is on top twenty six to twenty. They just

1217
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 9: started the second quarter. Kaitlin Clark one a four from

1218
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 9: the field. She's got two points, two rebounds, to assists,

1219
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 9: three turnovers, which.

1220
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 10: Everybody always wants to know. Diana Tarassi two a four

1221
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 10: from the field. She's got four points, one rebound, two

1222
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 10: assists in one steal. Plenty of game to go.

1223
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: Now.

1224
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 10: Let's move on to the NBA, where earlier today was

1225
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 10: reported that former Caps head coach JB. Bickerstaff will now

1226
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 10: be the Detroit Pistons head coach.

1227
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 9: A new five year deal, according to ESPN.

1228
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 10: They also report that Obi Toppin Intensa sign a four year,

1229
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 10: sixty million dollar deal to stay with the Indiana Pacers.

1230
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 10: The round in sixteen at Euro twenty twenty four continues.

1231
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 9: England did defeat Slovakia two to one. It was a

1232
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 9: comeback win.

1233
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 10: Right now. Georgia is up on Spain one nil after

1234
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 10: thirty one minutes of play. You can catch all the

1235
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 10: action on Fox.

1236
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 9: Let's move on to Major.

1237
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 10: League Baseball, where the best team, the Phillies best record.

1238
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 9: Are losing that home to the Marlins sixty three. Bottom

1239
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 9: of the sixth inning.

1240
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 10: The Padres are on the scoreboard, but the Red Sox

1241
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 10: are still on top four to one. Bottom of the seventh,

1242
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 10: Yankees beating the Blue Jay seven to one. They're about

1243
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 10: to start the sixth inning. Aaron Judge did hit his

1244
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 10: thirty first homer of the season, which leads Major League Baseball.

1245
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 10: The Astros and the Mets are tied at four piece.

1246
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 10: Bottom of the seventh. Jose Altuve was just ejected.

1247
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 9: He thought he was hit by a pitch on his foot.

1248
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 10: They didn't call that it was a foul ball and

1249
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 10: he didn't run, so they threw him out and he

1250
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 10: got very upset because he said he was hit by

1251
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 10: a pitch. After they called him out, he threw his helmet,

1252
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 10: he threw his bat. He went up to the umpires

1253
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 10: and was ejected. They showed the replay. I think he

1254
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 10: was hit by the pitch, but it was it was

1255
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 10: not very clear, like you know what I mean.

1256
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 3: See he should have instead of throwing a fit. Oh,

1257
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 3: we should immediately react to say, look at the replay.

1258
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 9: Look at the replay, Yes, just look at the replay.

1259
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he would have taken his base.

1260
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1261
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, So he was not a happy camper. The Rays

1262
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 10: are probably happy campers. They're beating the Nationals five zero,

1263
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 10: bottom of the seventh. The Brewers did have a grand

1264
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 10: slam from Bryce Terrain, and they're beating the Cubs seven

1265
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 10: to one, and they're about to start the sixth inning.

1266
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 10: Royals up on the Guardians three zero, bottom of the fifth,

1267
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 10: Rockies on top of the White Sox two to one,

1268
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 10: bottom of the seventh, and the Cardinals have scored first

1269
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 10: against the Reds.

1270
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 9: It's one zero bottom of the fifth. They also have

1271
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 9: the bases loaded, but.

1272
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 10: They're down to their final out at the Rocket Mortgage Classic.

1273
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 10: It's the final round and Cam Davis is now in

1274
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 10: the lead at eighteen under par overall.

1275
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 9: He is two under through seven holes for the day.

1276
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 2: Back to you guys, all right, Montsi, thank you very much.

1277
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: This is a Fox Sports Sunday.

1278
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: All right.

1279
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 3: Let me let me take this a different direction with you, Rich.

1280
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's.

1281
01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 2: Not unprecedented that someone that is going to be the

1282
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 2: number one overall pick in the draft has made it

1283
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: clear I will not go to this team.

1284
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 3: It happened with John Elway and.

1285
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 2: The Colts, it happened with Eli Manny and the Chargers.

1286
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: One that people would not remember, but I'll give it

1287
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: a little story. Tom Kuzeno was an All American college

1288
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 2: Football Hall of Famer at Ohio State. He was the

1289
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 2: number one pick in the nineteen seventy nine NFL Draft

1290
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 2: by the Buffalo Bills.

1291
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: He didn't ever play for Buffalo.

1292
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 2: He signed a contract with the Montreal Alouettes of the

1293
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 2: Canadian Football League.

1294
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 3: And why because they doubled the offer that the Bills

1295
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 3: had offered him, got more money and that was it.

1296
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,959
Speaker 2: So the number one pick in the NFL draft, number

1297
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 2: one overall pick, did not play. He later played in

1298
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 2: the NFL, but he said no to the Bills. He

1299
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 2: ends up in the Canadian Football League. Now the bargaining

1300
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 2: power is all this money you're making with the name,

1301
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: image of likeness. I mean, let's go back to Caleb Williams.

1302
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: By some reports, Caleb Williams in two years at USC

1303
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 2: may have made upwards of ten million dollars correct, So

1304
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: if Caleb Williams had decided then, no, I am not

1305
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: going to go to the graveyard at quarterbacks, which is

1306
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears. I'll set this out for a year

1307
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 2: to sit it out because the Bears only hold his

1308
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 2: draft rights until the next draft starts. I know I

1309
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: was in the in the draft room with the Raiders

1310
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 2: when they did that with Bo Jackson, who was the

1311
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 2: number one overall pick in the eighty sixth draft, never

1312
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: went to Tampa Bay, signed a major league baseball contract,

1313
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: and then the eighty seven draft happened and he was

1314
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 2: back on the board and the Raiders, you know, in

1315
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: the seventh round, decided to take a flyer and.

1316
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 3: The rest was history.

1317
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 2: But with all this money that these guys are making

1318
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 2: with name, image and likeness, the idea of one or

1319
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 2: more players not signing with NFL teams sitting it out

1320
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 2: for a year for an opportunity to maybe go to

1321
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: another team, I think is a real possibility. And if

1322
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 2: it does happen, or one guy does. See if one

1323
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 2: guy does it, then others might follow suit saying why

1324
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to play for that team. Why there's

1325
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 2: a reason why they got a high draft pick. They

1326
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 2: suck as an organ I don't want to waste my

1327
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 2: career with that organization. I'll just sit it out and

1328
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 2: see if I can go to a different organization. I mean,

1329
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 2: you're running a risk, I understand that, but it could

1330
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 2: be something that could be employed now because of the

1331
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 2: millions of dollars these elite stars are making at the

1332
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 2: collegiate level with the NIL.

1333
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Speaker 4: Well, that's that's exactly the reason why I brought it

1334
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 4: up in the first place, about how you change things

1335
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 4: at the union level requires labor action. And the reason

1336
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 4: why the NFL hasn't been able to make sweeping large

1337
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 4: or should say the NFLPA, the union hasn't been able

1338
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 4: to make sweeping large changes in terms of their their

1339
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 4: leverage or their bargaining power with the NFL, is because

1340
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 4: the player can't hold out very long. You know, you

1341
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 4: have a bunch of players, fifteen hundred to two thousand

1342
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 4: players who have mortgages to pay and kids who need

1343
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 4: to go to school and lives that they need to live,

1344
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 4: and they need to earn a salary. And so you're

1345
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 4: either asking these people, these players to go find other

1346
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 4: jobs in the meantime and wait until the union says hey,

1347
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 4: all clear, we got the deal we were looking for.

1348
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 4: And then at that point, potentially some of these guys

1349
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 4: they've aged out, or potentially some of these guys they

1350
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 4: don't have the opportunity waiting for them on the other

1351
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 4: side of.

1352
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: A labor dispute.

1353
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 4: But if you have a situation where you have college

1354
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:47,879
Speaker 4: players and influential college players who potentially could band together

1355
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 4: coming out of college because they know their next step

1356
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 4: is going into the NFL, man, oh man, you have

1357
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 4: a situation where not only are they influential, but they

1358
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 4: have money. Listen, money doesn't buy you happiness, We've all

1359
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,520
Speaker 4: heard that old saying, but it does buy you options.

1360
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 4: And so if you have a situation where the NFL

1361
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 4: says you're gonna go play for Chicago and you say,

1362
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 4: I don't want to play for Chicago, and they go, well,

1363
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 4: too bad, because since nineteen seventy, since the merger, we've

1364
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 4: had this draft, and you're drafted into the NFL and

1365
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 4: you play where we tell you're gonna play, and guess what,

1366
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 4: not only that, but we're gonna give you a slotted

1367
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 4: amount of money. You're not gonna be able to negotiate

1368
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 4: your own contract, and you may say we'll screw you

1369
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 4: because I'm still making money as a social media influencer,

1370
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 4: or I'm still making money off of endorsement opportunities that

1371
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 4: are ongoing, because I've signed these contracts with these different companies,

1372
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 4: with these brands, and it's only going to make me

1373
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 4: more famous if I'm holding out against you with some

1374
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,799
Speaker 4: of these brands and some of these opportunities, So screw you.

1375
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not signed in the contract.

1376
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 4: And if enough players do that, then something will have

1377
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 4: to change, because as we know, for the past I

1378
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 4: mean basically since nineteen seventy the college football ranks, the

1379
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 4: rank and file in college football, the stars or just

1380
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 4: the guys, they have been the ipso facto minor league

1381
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 4: for the NFL. So that'll change, That'll change everything. So

1382
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 4: I think NIL is the first domino to fall. I

1383
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,879
Speaker 4: think there's going to be a lot of potential labor

1384
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,880
Speaker 4: action in the future. I'm not going to say it's

1385
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 4: going to be within the next five years. I'm not

1386
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 4: even gonna say it's going to be within the next

1387
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 4: ten years. But I think at a certain point, the

1388
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 4: players at the college level, they're going to realize that

1389
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,839
Speaker 4: they're still not getting enough, and then eventually the players

1390
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 4: at the NFL level are going to realize, well, if

1391
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 4: we do the same thing at the NFL level that

1392
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 4: we did at the college level, we're going to get

1393
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 4: a better deal, and that that time's coming.

1394
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gotta have bargaining power, and they really haven't

1395
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 2: had it until this nil money came along.

1396
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 3: I always laughed. Still.

1397
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw that ESPN thing about

1398
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills dynasty and everything. They're losing dynasty, but

1399
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 2: you know, going to four straight Super Bowls. So Jim Kelly,

1400
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: the quarterback, of course, came out of the U. He

1401
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 2: played at the University of Miami. He was drafted in

1402
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 2: the first round by the Buffalo Bills in that famous

1403
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 2: eighty three draft with l Way Marino on that group,

1404
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 2: and he never signed with the Bills. Yeah, he went

1405
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: to the new league, the USFL. And I remember this

1406
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 2: interview he did about you know, why didn't you sign

1407
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 2: with the NFL. He goes, I played college ball in Miami.

1408
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,440
Speaker 2: You honestly think I want to play in Buffalo.

1409
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 3: He's like laughing, you know.

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01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for him, well, fortunately for him, the USFL folded

1411
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 2: and he became a Buffalo Bills legend and a member

1412
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 2: of the Pro Football Hall of Fames.

1413
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 3: Ultimately worked out, but you got to have that kind

1414
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 3: of bargaining.

1415
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: So I mentioned, like a Cuzano in seventy nine Canadian

1416
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 2: the NFL wasn't paying that kind of money, and so

1417
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: the Canadian Football League doubled the offer.

1418
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 3: He said, see you later, NFL.

1419
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to follow the money and with the USFL

1420
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 2: big stars, big stars that started that Reggie White, I mean,

1421
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 2: you can go down the list, herschel Walker, all these

1422
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 2: great players started their career in the USFL, Steve Young

1423
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 2: because they were being offered way more money to go

1424
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 2: to this rival league. Well, since then they haven't had

1425
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 2: that bargaining tool. But now they got the nil and

1426
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 2: they could put millions of dollars in the bank and

1427
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 2: wait it out until they can go to a place

1428
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 2: of their choice. On the other side, I want to

1429
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 2: get to one specific NFL team and I want to

1430
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 2: hear your explanation on why this team struggles to attain

1431
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 2: their ultimate goal to win another Super Bowl.

1432
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 3: I think you might know who it is. You'll find out.

1433
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 3: This is Fox Sports Sunday.

1434
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 2: Steve Harvey, Rich Hornberger here Fox Sports Sunday Live from

1435
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 2: the tire rack dot Com studios.

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01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 3: All Right, I know a lot of people are anxious.

1437
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:53,879
Speaker 3: We're anxious.

1438
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about the draft everything else where,

1439
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 2: Like everybody else cannot wait for another NFL season to

1440
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: be but for one franchise, and I'm speaking of the

1441
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys.

1442
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 3: It's like the same song being played.

1443
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 2: Over and over and over again. And is it ever

1444
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 2: going to change? The Dallas Cowboys in each of the

1445
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: last three years have had a record of twelve and five,

1446
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 2: obviously one of the best records in the NFL, and

1447
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 2: all three years have ended badly, none worse than this

1448
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 2: past year getting blown out at home by Jordan Love

1449
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 2: and the Green Bay Packers. I mean, it was beyond embarrassing.

1450
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 2: And this offseason rich they got a lot of player

1451
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: contracts they still have to deal with. Mike McCarthy is

1452
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 2: a lame duck coach. He's not happy about that. It

1453
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 2: just seems to be one thing after another for a

1454
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 2: team that not only is not won a Super Bowl

1455
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: in almost thirty years, they haven't been to a conference

1456
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 2: championship game in almost thirty years. And it defies logic

1457
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 2: because it seems like they've drafted well, they developed players,

1458
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 2: They have a lot of talent, and yet they can't

1459
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 2: seem to get to the top. Is there anything to

1460
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 2: make you believe that the twenty twenty four season is

1461
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 2: going to be any different for the Dallas Cowboys.

1462
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: No, I think they're gonna be good.

1463
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,679
Speaker 4: I think the Dallas Cowboys they've typically been good when

1464
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 4: Dak's healthy because, like you mentioned, Jerry Jones, for all

1465
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 4: the antics, he's a pretty good roster builder. He and

1466
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 4: his son Steven, they've done a nice job keeping a

1467
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 4: very decent at worst very good I would say, you know,

1468
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 4: roster together, corps of players together over the course of

1469
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 4: their time running the show there, especially over the past

1470
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 4: half decade or so since Dak has really been a

1471
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 4: star quarterback in the Dallas universe. I look at them

1472
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 4: as being though a team that's going to have a

1473
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 4: hard time getting over the hump unless they solidify things.

1474
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: I mean, is Dak the guy long term?

1475
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 4: That question is yet to be answered because he still

1476
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 4: has a contract.

1477
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: Situation that needs to be sorted out.

1478
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy, is he going to be a coach beyond

1479
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,360
Speaker 4: this next season?

1480
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, lame duck year.

1481
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 4: That's a problem because when you have a coach who

1482
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 4: thinks he has one foot on a banana peel and

1483
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 4: the other foot out the door, I mean, it's not

1484
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,600
Speaker 4: a good situation in terms of setting the tone for

1485
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 4: the franchise. So I don't know if Jerry's plan is

1486
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 4: to sort of set this year on fire and then

1487
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 4: bring in a new head coach and a new quarterback

1488
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 4: and try to keep as many of the core players

1489
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 4: intact through that transition, or if they're somehow behind the

1490
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 4: scenes working on a long term extension that makes sense

1491
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 4: for both sides for Dak and then looking forward to

1492
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 4: potentially hiring a new head coach tasher in a new

1493
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 4: generation like a Ben Johnson from Detroit, or or you know,

1494
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 4: try to have a similar situation like the Minnesota Vikings. Look,

1495
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 4: the Minnesota Vikings weren't bad with Mike Zimmer, but they

1496
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 4: weren't getting over the hump, so they brought in a young,

1497
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 4: offensive minded head coaching, Kevin O'Connell, and now since then

1498
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 4: they've made a switch at quarterback. But I go back

1499
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 4: to the Dallas Cowboys to suggest the same things they're

1500
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 4: not bad with with their current head coach, But are

1501
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 4: they going to look to potentially improve their lot at

1502
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,480
Speaker 4: head coach because the message has gone stale with McCarthy.

1503
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 4: I'm very curious about this team. I'm very curious what

1504
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 4: the plans are. Not enough of the cards have been

1505
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 4: revealed to us to know exactly what Jerry's doing behind

1506
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 4: the scenes.

1507
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 2: Well, bad news for the Cowboys is they will not

1508
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 2: win the NFC East title this year. I say that

1509
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: because no team is repeated as NFC East champions in

1510
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 2: twenty years. Twenty years, it's crazy. Eagles won four in

1511
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 2: a row from zero one to zero four. Since then,

1512
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 2: no team has won back to back NFC championships, and

1513
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 2: of course the Cowboys were NFC East champs this past season.

1514
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, it just seems like, I mean,

1515
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 2: something's working against this team. There really is no explaining

1516
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 2: what happened in that game against Green Bay. They came

1517
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 2: in with all this momentum. Green Bay's essentially got a

1518
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: rookie starting quarterback in Jordan Love on the road. This

1519
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 2: was a Cowboys team that last year was first in

1520
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 2: the NFL in scoring offense. It should have been a win,

1521
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 2: fifth in the league in scoring defense, first and fifth

1522
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: in scoring offense and defense and lay a egg.

1523
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 3: Like that at home. It was just stunning.

1524
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 2: I mean I can't remember being more baffled and just

1525
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 2: completely thrown off.

1526
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 1: Who's the head coach of the quarterback?

1527
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think it goes hand in hand. I mean, look,

1528
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge Mike McCarthy fan. I'm just not

1529
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,120
Speaker 2: with all the talent he had in Green Bay with

1530
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers and the talent he has in Dallas, what

1531
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: does he have to show for one super Bowl that

1532
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 2: was how long ago? Fourteen years ago? He should have

1533
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 2: done better with the talent that he's had, especially at

1534
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,120
Speaker 2: the quarterback position. As far as Dak Press got two

1535
01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,719
Speaker 2: and five in playoff games two and five.

1536
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's that's a loser in the postseason. So

1537
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 3: we'll see.

1538
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 2: But I at some point, I think like the football

1539
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 2: gods are gonna say, finally, all right, finally, you know

1540
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna give it to you, because it could be

1541
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 2: that random in the NFL. All right, coming up on

1542
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 2: the other so we got a lot more sports news,

1543
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 2: and yeah, we have a significant holiday this week. This

1544
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:44,240
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1545
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,800
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1546
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1547
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1548
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1549
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1552
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Speaker 3: Next Sunday, when Rich and I join you.

1553
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 2: Again, we will have celebrated another fourth of July. And

1554
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 2: the fourth of July is obviously significant, by the way,

1555
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: if you don't know the exact content of what happened

1556
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 2: on the fourth of July in seventeen seventy six, fifty

1557
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 2: six delegates of the Second Continental Congress convened at the

1558
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania State House, we know it is Independence Hall, and

1559
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 2: they signed this document that declared that the thirteen Colonies

1560
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: had now separated themselves from British colonial rule.

1561
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 3: That was the day.

1562
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 2: It was largely written by Thomas Jefferson over about it

1563
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 2: eighteen day span just prior to that, and so that

1564
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 2: was the day that we declared independence, July fourth, seventeen

1565
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 2: seventy six. It's significant for me Rich obviously, because it's

1566
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 2: almost my birthday.

1567
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1568
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 2: I mean when you're born on the fourth of July

1569
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 2: in this country, I don't know, it just it sort

1570
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:12,679
Speaker 2: of takes on a next level.

1571
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 3: Maybe.

1572
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean, most people of the three hundred and forty

1573
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 2: million people that live in this country are patriotic, most

1574
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 2: people are proud to be Americans. For me personally, being

1575
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 2: born on the fourth of July, the fourth of July

1576
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 2: holiday just sort of goes next level, less about my birthday,

1577
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 2: more about our country's birthday. And I'm always reminded about

1578
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 2: the connection of a celebration of America with sports. You know,

1579
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 2: when we are in our direst moments, it just seems

1580
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 2: the sports world will step it up. You know, in

1581
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:55,680
Speaker 2: our lifetimes we certainly remember, well, I remember you were

1582
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,599
Speaker 2: just a small boy Whitney Houston singing of the national

1583
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: anthem at Super Bowl twenty five in the midst of

1584
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: the Gulf War, and those fans in Tampa waving American flags.

1585
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 2: I mean I still can watch that and get chills,

1586
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 2: like there's no like no tomorrow. It's to me, the

1587
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 2: greatest rendition ever of the national anthem. And she's saying

1588
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 2: it at the height of the Gulf War, and it

1589
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 2: was just an incredible bonding of Americans. And then who

1590
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: can certainly forget President Bush stepping to the top of

1591
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 2: the mound Game three of the World Series at Yankee

1592
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 2: Stadium after the nine to eleven attacks, firing a perfect

1593
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 2: strike right down the middle. Yep, I mean, just who

1594
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 2: I get goosebumps talking about it right now.

1595
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 3: And these are those sports moments where we are brought together.

1596
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 2: Sports is so different because you know, we were talking

1597
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:45,919
Speaker 2: about this yesterday.

1598
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 3: I can't talk about it enough.

1599
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:48,840
Speaker 2: You know, you go to a sporting event, you're rooting

1600
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 2: for your team against the other team, and you really

1601
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 2: get involved, like you have exciting game, the crowd's going crazy,

1602
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 2: and you're you're sitting next to somebody you would never

1603
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: never cross pass with you your entire life, and all

1604
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you have this bonding moment. Sports does that.

1605
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 2: And look, we're a house divided right now. This is

1606
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 2: no secret. I mean, this is a very divided country

1607
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 2: right now, and I don't know what sports can do

1608
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 2: about it. But this is sort of why I get

1609
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 2: lost in the sports world, to get away from all

1610
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 2: that people, you know, because I you know, many times

1611
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 2: I've been doing television work for a number of years,

1612
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 2: and you know, several times I was approaching you know,

1613
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 2: would you like to get to the news side, go

1614
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 2: hell no, no, no, no.

1615
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 3: I like I like my little space in the sports

1616
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 3: world because I don't have to deal with.

1617
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 2: A lot of that other stuff. It's not that I

1618
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 2: ignore it. I'm aware of it. It's just that I

1619
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 2: don't have to make that my constant in my life

1620
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 2: to have to deal with all that stuff. But as

1621
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 2: we celebrate this Fourth of July holiday, by the way,

1622
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 2: Luke Gerrig and his incredible speech was given on the

1623
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 2: fourth of July and Yankee Stadium, I mean, there's just

1624
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: so many things connected to sports with this holiday. But

1625
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,679
Speaker 2: for me personally, obviously, maybe it means a little more.

1626
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 2: I understand the Fourth of July means different things to

1627
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 2: different people. I just can only tell you what it

1628
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 2: means to me and the connection to the sports world.

1629
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 2: It's a big part of my life and how it's

1630
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 2: come to this point.

1631
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think that's a really

1632
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 4: well stated fact that, you know, even though we are

1633
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 4: divided on so many things in this country, we do

1634
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 4: come together for sports. And I think that there are

1635
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 4: certain moments over the course of our lifetime where you

1636
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 4: realize the importance of sports more so than just you know,

1637
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 4: something to talk to your dad about, or something to

1638
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 4: talk to co workers about, or something to obsess over

1639
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 4: when you're stressed out about other things going on in

1640
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 4: your life. This way, it's sort of you can use

1641
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 4: sports as an escape. It also unifies us in a way,

1642
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 4: you know, So I agree with everything he just said.

1643
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 4: I would add to it. You know, we live in

1644
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,879
Speaker 4: a pretty special place. We have a lot of freedoms

1645
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 4: that if you were born elsewhere, you don't get to enjoy.

1646
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: And so I don't know.

1647
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 4: On Veterans Day, Memorial Day, fourth of July, those are

1648
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 4: days where I definitely, you know, take a moment and

1649
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 4: I take a deep breath, and I realize how lucky

1650
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 4: I am to be protected by the great members of

1651
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 4: our military, and we get to enjoy those freedoms because

1652
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 4: it takes a lot of bravery to create a country

1653
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 4: and emancipate yourself, and we're so far removed from that

1654
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 4: that it's tough, you know, over the grilling and the

1655
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 4: barbecuing and the beer drinking and the fireworks to remember

1656
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 4: that once upon a time we were a part of

1657
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,560
Speaker 4: a different country, and that's the reason why we celebrate

1658
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 4: our independence. So yeah, it's a it was well stated, Steve,

1659
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 4: and I feel very similarly.

1660
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: All right.

1661
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 2: I do have to ask you, though, how are you

1662
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 2: going to be celebrating my birthday on Thursday?

1663
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 3: What are the plans for the Orenburger On the fourth

1664
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 3: of July?

1665
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 4: Like everybody else in the country, we're going to set

1666
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 4: off fireworks in your honor. You know. I think it's

1667
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 4: a really nice touch that they do it in New York.

1668
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 4: I think it's you know, I mean, it spreads all

1669
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 4: across the country. I mean, it doesn't matter you're born

1670
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, but even on the East Coast.

1671
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just you know, fourth of July.

1672
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 4: As soon as nightfall hits around nine o'clock and every

1673
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 4: time zone, it's just everybody celebrating your birthday.

1674
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: So we'll be doing the same.

1675
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 4: The tradition continues where we'll be setting off fireworks and

1676
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 4: watching a display in your honor.

1677
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool holiday.

1678
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean, the best part about having the birthday on

1679
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,639
Speaker 2: the fourth of July, it's like, once you know that's

1680
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,799
Speaker 2: my birthday, people remember, I feel embarrassed, Like on social

1681
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 2: media platforms that I really don't do a lot of

1682
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 2: participation on. Then I get this flood of Hey, happy birthday,

1683
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 2: you know, because they remember, like, oh, that's right, that

1684
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,839
Speaker 2: fourth of July. Guy Furst, my former boss, Al Davis,

1685
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 2: was also a fourth of July. Bib oh, I didn't

1686
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 2: know that, as with George Steinbrenner. Another fourth of July.

1687
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 3: Baby, So you know it's.

1688
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 2: An easy day to remember. Well, your day's easy as well,

1689
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 2: mister Valentine's Day.

1690
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, that's very true.

1691
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 4: Yes, I will say this, no baseball to watch on

1692
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 4: Valentine's shah.

1693
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 2: No, you know, what's an amazing story to me. So

1694
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 2: I was thinking about it. So I was born on

1695
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 2: the fourth of July in nineteen fifty eight, the year

1696
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 2: that the Dodgers first played in Los Angeles, right, and

1697
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 2: you know fourth of July it is a huge baseball day.

1698
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:28,599
Speaker 3: So I wanted to find out.

1699
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 2: I looked it up on Baseball Reference, like, how did

1700
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 2: the Dodgers do on my birthday?

1701
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 3: And it was a Friday night, okay, and they didn't

1702
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 3: have a game.

1703
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, how is it possible on a Friday night,

1704
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 2: fourth of July, middle of the summer, the Dodgers did

1705
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 2: not have a game, so I had to look it up.

1706
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,280
Speaker 2: As it turned out, when the Dodgers left Brooklyn to

1707
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 2: come to Los Angeles, they played at the LA Coliseum

1708
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 2: for four years before they opened Dodgers Stadium inteen sixty two. Well,

1709
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 2: the Colisseum had an annual fireworks event on the fourth

1710
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: of July. No, and because they couldn't make the change

1711
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 2: because the Dodgers had just moved to town, they had

1712
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,480
Speaker 2: honor that fourth of July celebration.

1713
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 3: No, my day that I was born.

1714
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,679
Speaker 2: First year the Dodgers in LA, they did not play

1715
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 2: despite it being a Friday night at the Coliseum because

1716
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 2: they actually had a pre scheduled fireworks show.

1717
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 4: Well, that is a happy birthday, by the way, early

1718
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 4: happy birthday.

1719
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: I'll be texting you on your birthday. Give me a call.

1720
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, what's interesting about the fourth of July for

1721
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:47,680
Speaker 4: me is I always have baseball in the background of

1722
01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 4: the day, and for whatever reason, Memorial Day and which

1723
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 4: unofficial kickoff of the summer, but also Fourth of July,

1724
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,759
Speaker 4: I always tie it to baseball, sure, and I.

1725
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 1: Always hope for a dugout clearing brawl.

1726
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 4: I don't know why but for whatever reason, like you know,

1727
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 4: because there's always like you know, barbecuing and grilly and

1728
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 4: somebody always has the the TV on. And I love

1729
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 4: that point in the party where all of a sudden, somebody.

1730
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: Goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Look what's going on?

1731
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 4: And then everybody just stops and looks at the screen

1732
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 4: and they're trying to sort it out and who started?

1733
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 1: Was it the hitter and the catcher? Was it pitch

1734
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: er battery?

1735
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 2: You know?

1736
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: You know, the the umpire was it a bed strike call?

1737
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 1: You know.

1738
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 4: I love that moment where the party stops because we

1739
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 4: got to figure out what happened between the Phillies and

1740
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 4: the Mets, you know what I mean. Like it's just

1741
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 4: I love I love that aspect of sports. Also, all

1742
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 4: of a sudden, in the middle of conversation and partying,

1743
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 4: everybody has to shush so we can get to the

1744
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 4: bottom of you know this, uh, this Boston Red Sox

1745
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 4: New York Yankees brawl that just occurred.

1746
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 2: So it used to be a baseball tradition big time

1747
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 2: back when it was just two leagues before division play

1748
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 2: started in nineteen sixty nine, that whatever team was in

1749
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:09,560
Speaker 2: first place on the fourth of July was going to

1750
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 2: end the season in first place. Now this didn't always happen, obviously,

1751
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: but it was sort of like this ongoing tradition that

1752
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 2: if you were in first place on the fourth of July,

1753
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 2: that was going to be where you ended up. So

1754
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:25,600
Speaker 2: right now, looking at the Major League Baseball standings, we

1755
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 2: got the Oriols and Yankee separated by games, so still

1756
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 2: to be decided. There Guardians clearly in first place. They

1757
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 2: will be in first place on the fourth of July.

1758
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 2: So well, the Seattle Mariners, Seattle Mariners in first place

1759
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 2: in that Ale West. He got the Phillies in a runaway,

1760
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 2: he got the Brewers in a runaway, and the Dodgers.

1761
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:43,959
Speaker 3: In a runaway.

1762
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 2: So good news for those teams based on the mythology

1763
01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 2: of being in first place on the fourth of July.

1764
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 1: By the way, the.

1765
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 2: Padres, although they lost today, I guess they just lost.

1766
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 2: Things are pretty I like what John Paul Morosi said

1767
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,799
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier, saying, expect, you know, aj Preller

1768
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 2: to start getting heated up month of July, month before

1769
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:06,440
Speaker 2: the trade deadline.

1770
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 3: What's the bets down there? I mean, what's going on

1771
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 3: in Sandy with the pod race.

1772
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 4: Well, so anybody who's been paying attention to the now

1773
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 4: you know they are low in the wildcard race.

1774
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:18,480
Speaker 1: If we're even gonna start talking about the playoffs.

1775
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well right now they're the number two wildcard team

1776
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 2: with the Braves, so they would be in the playoffs today.

1777
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, season ends, they're in. It's been an up

1778
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 4: and down, wobbly season. For every good thing they've done,

1779
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 4: they've had equally yet opposite bad and they've dealt with

1780
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 4: a lot of injuries. But I will say this, the

1781
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 4: addition of Luisa rise Yes early in the season, I

1782
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:46,720
Speaker 4: think that's for a different play, but he's been tremendous

1783
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 4: as a contact hitter for them, getting on base and

1784
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 4: doing the things that he did prior to his trade,

1785
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,879
Speaker 4: he's doing it after. And then you know, look Aj Preller,

1786
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 4: he understands that his job's on the line. So if

1787
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 4: you're a general manager, it doesn't matter if you're in

1788
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 4: the NFL, Major League Baseball, NBA and you realize that

1789
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,720
Speaker 4: you are walking the plank as the season's going on,

1790
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 4: you have to make a deep run in the postseason

1791
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 4: for you to be considered. You know, the general manager,

1792
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:17,599
Speaker 4: president of baseball operations moving forward. So I think he's

1793
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 4: going to try to take a risk at the deadline.

1794
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 4: He's probably gonna trade away some assets, leverage more of

1795
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 4: the Padres future to go all in on the season

1796
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 4: if they allow him to, because that's the other part

1797
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 4: of it.

1798
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 1: If you are a lame duck, and he's not.

1799
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 4: He's not on the final year of his contract, but

1800
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 4: it certainly feels like if something magical doesn't happen, he

1801
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 4: may be on his way out. But if you are

1802
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 4: in that situation, you got to make something happen. The

1803
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 4: franchise has to trust your decision making and green light

1804
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 4: whatever assets you're willing to put forth to improve your

1805
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 4: lot or your luck this season. And so we'll see

1806
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:57,679
Speaker 4: what happens at the deadline. But the month of July

1807
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:00,840
Speaker 4: is interesting for all teams because there's always a lot

1808
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 4: of player movement in baseball. Bad teams looking to sell,

1809
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 4: good teams looking to buy.

1810
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 2: On the other side, I want to talk about star

1811
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 2: power in sports in general and how it can rise.

1812
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:13,480
Speaker 3: And we've been talking about Caitlin.

1813
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 2: Clark and you know, all the attention that she has

1814
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 2: brought to the WNBA, and obviously all the people that

1815
01:34:19,240 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 2: have followed her basketball exploits. I want to take the

1816
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 2: flip side though, on somebody else who used to be

1817
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 2: that person and is no longer And the question is

1818
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:32,919
Speaker 2: why tell you who that is? This is Fox Sports Sunday,

1819
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:37,599
Speaker 2: Steve Harvin, Rich Horbery. Here Fock Sports Sunday. We are

1820
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:41,680
Speaker 2: live from the tire rack dot Com studios.

1821
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 3: So it's uh and.

1822
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 2: We talk about Major League Baseball these days. We were

1823
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:51,679
Speaker 2: talking earlier with John Paul Morosi. Right now in the moment,

1824
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:55,839
Speaker 2: the two biggest stars are sho hey Otani and Aaron Judge.

1825
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 3: Am I right on that? I think?

1826
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 2: I think right now I would argue right in the

1827
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 2: moment and certainly sho Heyo Tani is what we term

1828
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:08,960
Speaker 2: and in this case rightfully saw a generational talent like

1829
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 2: we've never seen anything like sho hey Otani. And now

1830
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 2: that he's not pitching this year and he's taken that

1831
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 2: DH level to the next level. So, but it was

1832
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 2: a little over two years ago, not five years ago,

1833
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 2: not ten years ago. At the start of the twenty

1834
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 2: twenty two season, if you were to watch the MLB Network,

1835
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 2: if you were to watch any baseball outlet, every highlight

1836
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 2: was of one player, Fernando Tatis Junior. He was the

1837
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 2: fates of baseball. He was the future of baseball. My partner,

1838
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 2: Rich Ornberger insisted that the San Diego Padres lock him

1839
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:54,759
Speaker 2: up as soon as possible, give him a huge contract,

1840
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 2: and they did a fourteen year.

1841
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:00,719
Speaker 1: Deal.

1842
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 3: And then disaster struck, first in terms.

1843
01:36:06,600 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 2: Of an injury, and then when he was about to return,

1844
01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:16,559
Speaker 2: busted suspended for ped use. Now last year he returned

1845
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 2: new position, no longer short stop, through in right field.

1846
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 3: He won a Gold Glove. Offensive numbers, though.

1847
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 2: Weren't at the level they had been, and now he

1848
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 2: seems to have settled into what we call a better

1849
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 2: than average player.

1850
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 3: But you don't see him being spotlighted anywhere these days.

1851
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 3: You're in the midst of all this. In fact, I

1852
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 3: feel you're responsible for this.

1853
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 2: No, I don't don't, But I mean the fact is,

1854
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm just curious because someone that was I mean, I'm

1855
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 2: not exaggerating. He was the future, he was the face

1856
01:36:54,160 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 2: of baseball. This was the guy, Fernando Tatis Junior. And

1857
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 2: now he's just another guy. How is that playing in

1858
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 2: San Diego? How does that play for you? Because you

1859
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 2: you've had a front row seat for this entire thing.

1860
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 4: Well, to put it very simply, it's a huge disappointment

1861
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 4: when a player of that caliber has a scandal of

1862
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 4: that level. I remember when the news broke, I was

1863
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 4: actually on a trip and I was taking the day

1864
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,880
Speaker 4: off from radio in San Diego, and I was I

1865
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 4: was then kind of foisted into action. You know, I

1866
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 4: had a bunch of interview requests because I covered the

1867
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 4: padres on a daily basis. You know, people wanted to

1868
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:46,200
Speaker 4: talk to me get my thoughts about Fernando Tatis Junior

1869
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:48,720
Speaker 4: and all the things, all the facts that had come

1870
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 4: out at that point that he was unaware of, you know,

1871
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 4: the contents of a certain you know, anabolic agent in

1872
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 4: a cream or salve that he was using to cure

1873
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:06,599
Speaker 4: his ringworm. And everything changed on the baseball landscape because

1874
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 4: truly from an endorsement standpoint, with a variety of different companies,

1875
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,440
Speaker 4: not even sports really, I mean car.

1876
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Companies and watch companies and you.

1877
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 4: Know, and then all the other typical sports endorsers like Gatorade.

1878
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 4: I mean, he was going he was becoming the face

1879
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,879
Speaker 4: of Major League baseball and it all changed in an instant,

1880
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 4: And things like that can alter your legacy forever. So

1881
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 4: the fallout from that is he's still beloved in San Diego.

1882
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:38,519
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people were heartbroken over the scandal,

1883
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 4: but he's still one of their more productive players, and

1884
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 4: as a result, he's still he's still considered to be

1885
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 4: valuable to the franchise and valuable to the fan base.

1886
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 1: The problem is, though, regardless of.

1887
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 4: How great his star shines over the course of his career,

1888
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 4: regardless of how much a fan loves or adores his

1889
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 4: efforts on a baseball field, he most likely, unless something

1890
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 4: major changes, will never be a Hall of Famer. He

1891
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 4: will always have this hanging over his career, for the

1892
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 4: positive and the negative. If he falls into a slump

1893
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,360
Speaker 4: at any point in the near term, people are going

1894
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 4: to say, yeah, well, he's a different player without the

1895
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:25,679
Speaker 4: performance enhancing drugs.

1896
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 1: And if he has success, people are.

1897
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 4: Always going to speculate that he's back on performance enhancing

1898
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 4: drugs or they're going to side eye his success with

1899
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 4: some level of suspicion.

1900
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:41,719
Speaker 1: So it's an unfortunate reality.

1901
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 4: Look, there are a lot of choices that you make

1902
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 4: as a professional athlete, and I remember being an NFL

1903
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:53,839
Speaker 4: player and having opportunities to, you know, to do things

1904
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,639
Speaker 4: that I was uncomfortable with.

1905
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: And I had.

1906
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:00,280
Speaker 4: People and players tell me that if you do this

1907
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 4: or you do that, it's going to make you better.

1908
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 4: And it's a very alluring proposition when you're young and

1909
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:10,640
Speaker 4: you're making good money. But if you play better, or

1910
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 4: if you stay healthier for longer, you'll make a lot more.

1911
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 4: So I understand the stress and the pressure, and I

1912
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 4: understand the reasoning behind that decision. I think he made

1913
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:21,599
Speaker 4: the wrong decision.

1914
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: Ultimately.

1915
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,160
Speaker 2: Well, here here's the good news for Fernando Tatis Junior.

1916
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:29,200
Speaker 2: Regardless of what happens in his future in Major League Baseball,

1917
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 2: for the next ten years. After the season, he is

1918
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 2: guaranteed three hundred and thirteen million dollars three hundred and

1919
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 2: thirteen million dollars guaranteed.

1920
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 3: Correct for the next ten years. So let mek you

1921
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 3: a question.

1922
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Over the next ten years, say.

1923
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:55,400
Speaker 4: He stays on pace and he has superstar level numbers,

1924
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 4: right right, Do you think it's possible at the conclusion

1925
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 4: of it career, if he has one of those superlative

1926
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 4: careers where it's undeniable, yeah, that.

1927
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:08,440
Speaker 1: He's a Hall of Famer. Do you think it's possible

1928
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 1: that he will be in Cooper's twe well.

1929
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:14,560
Speaker 2: Rich, The fact is you and I had this conversation

1930
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 2: with John Paul Morosi when the suspension was handed down,

1931
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 2: and we asked him that I said, let me let

1932
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 2: let's let's chalk this up to a youthful mistake.

1933
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 3: Right. He was what at twenty two at the time

1934
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 3: when this whole thing went down. I believe so. So

1935
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:31,599
Speaker 3: he made a mistake.

1936
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:35,759
Speaker 2: And if he goes on to have three thousand plus

1937
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,719
Speaker 2: hits and five hundred home runs and checks every box

1938
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 2: on what would be perceived as a Hall of Fame career,

1939
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,640
Speaker 2: he's out like he has no chance.

1940
01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:48,919
Speaker 3: Of making the Hall of Fame. And John Paul Morosi

1941
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 3: was very straight.

1942
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 2: No, no, and he draws, I mean, when you look

1943
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 2: at a Rod's numbers, right, I mean, come on.

1944
01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 3: We'll talk about we're talking about what are.

1945
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 2: The the hand top ten resumes in the history of

1946
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:05,679
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball.

1947
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:09,560
Speaker 3: No chance because he tested positive.

1948
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 2: Manny Ramirez, hall of Fame gone. I mean it just

1949
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:18,759
Speaker 2: I look at obviously I take a completely different tact

1950
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 2: on this. By the way, every other sport does as well.

1951
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 2: We have Antonio Gates didn't make the Hall of Fame

1952
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:33,639
Speaker 2: on the first ballot, why he tested positive for pd US.

1953
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 1: Yep.

1954
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:39,520
Speaker 3: We actually had Shannon Sharp call our radio station because.

1955
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 2: Of his jealousy of Antonio Gates, saying that he should

1956
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 2: never be considered for the Hall of Fame because he

1957
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 2: got busted for PDS. Guess what next year, Antonio Gates

1958
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 2: will be in the Hall of Fame. I can guarantee

1959
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 2: you he didn't get in first ballot, he will definitely

1960
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 2: be second ballot. Other sports don't hold these athletes account them.

1961
01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 2: Only baseball, Oh, just base holier than that. No, you

1962
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:06,439
Speaker 2: you've you've basically compromise the integrity of the sport. And

1963
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:08,559
Speaker 2: I'm like, you mean the integrity of sport the Bannon

1964
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 2: entire race of people for sixty years. Yeah, that's where

1965
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:15,679
Speaker 2: you're that. You're talking about the integrity of that sport. Yeah,

1966
01:43:16,240 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 2: it's such give me this hi road about pedus and

1967
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:19,960
Speaker 2: everything else.

1968
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,759
Speaker 3: It drives me freaking nuts.

1969
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 1: It's such a lame excuse.

1970
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 4: And don't get me wrong, like JP Morosi, he's a

1971
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 4: friend of ours, he's a friend of this show, and

1972
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 4: he appears on this station often. I would never say

1973
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:43,000
Speaker 4: that JP Morosi is misguided in his own thought process,

1974
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 4: because I believe he's one of the smartest voices on

1975
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,639
Speaker 4: baseball that I've ever spoken to, and I frankly that's

1976
01:43:48,640 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 4: ever covered this sport.

1977
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 1: I think he's that good.

1978
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 4: However, I will say this, I think that oftentimes we

1979
01:43:56,600 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 4: hold athletes to a standard that is improper, right, I

1980
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 4: think that. I think that when you look at every

1981
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:08,759
Speaker 4: single president of the United States, when you look at everything,

1982
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 4: every single successful business leader, when you look at every

1983
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 4: single person, I mean hard stop, every single person is

1984
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:22,559
Speaker 4: flawed and every single person has done wrong. And if

1985
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 4: you're telling me that over the arc of an entire career,

1986
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 4: if there was one blemish, and specifically a blemish earlier

1987
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 4: in the career, like Fernando Tatist Junior, like you mentioned,

1988
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 4: in his early twenties, making a mistake that could have

1989
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 4: long standing effects on how people view his career, you're

1990
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:46,479
Speaker 4: telling me that there is no reconciliation. There is no

1991
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:50,360
Speaker 4: ability for him to make good on this promise of

1992
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 4: being a clean, excellent baseball player and being included in

1993
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame at some point. Should he have

1994
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,559
Speaker 4: the numbers in the stats and the career in the

1995
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 4: success and blah blah blah, you're telling me like, I

1996
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 4: just feel like that's a purity test that no person

1997
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 4: should have to undergo to be included in the conversation.

1998
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 4: And I've expressed those thoughts to JP. Morosi feels very

1999
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 4: differently about the situation, And I just think that that's

2000
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 4: the reason why I don't really put much value into

2001
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:25,759
Speaker 4: halls of fame, whether it's Canton for the Pro Football

2002
01:45:25,800 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 4: Hall Fame, or Springfield, Massachusetts for the Pro Basketball Hall

2003
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 4: of Fame, or the Basketball Hall of Fame, or or

2004
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 4: Cooperstown for the Pro Baseball Hall of Fame.

2005
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:36,480
Speaker 1: I think they're all ridiculous.

2006
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 4: I think they're deserving of ridicule because all of them

2007
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 4: are subjective.

2008
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:43,000
Speaker 1: They don't include all of the.

2009
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 4: Best players, so how could we possibly consider them.

2010
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:48,680
Speaker 3: Valid well or not?

2011
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 2: In the other case, they're the best, are that you

2012
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 2: could say there are too many players, like in other words,

2013
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 2: you know, Dion Sanders made there should be different levels

2014
01:45:56,600 --> 01:45:58,599
Speaker 2: of hall of fame, And to some.

2015
01:45:58,600 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 3: Degree I agree.

2016
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 2: I I wouldn't put as many people in these halls

2017
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 2: of famous as they do. But for baseball, I mean

2018
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 2: no Bonds, no Clemmons, no a Rod, no McGuire, No Sosa,

2019
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 2: no Palmero, A five hundred three thousand guy. I mean

2020
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 2: go down the list, not to mention Pete Rose and

2021
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:22,040
Speaker 2: I just no, no, there's no credibilities at Hall of Fame.

2022
01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 3: None. And I'm the opposite of you.

2023
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm way over obsessed with these Halls of Fame, and

2024
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 2: baseball to me is the absolute worst because of their

2025
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 2: omission of the greatest of all time.

2026
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 3: All right, that's fine. I was trending right now.

2027
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:41,759
Speaker 2: Moncey came in just jumping out of her skin today.

2028
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 2: She's like, did you have a big Saturday night?

2029
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:44,839
Speaker 1: And everything?

2030
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:47,720
Speaker 10: Not a big one, you know, just swing out with

2031
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 10: a friend, I drink or more whatever whatever.

2032
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 3: I was here it I just love that. I love

2033
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 3: that about our Moncey.

2034
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 2: She's she's just uh now, I'm not gonna say burns

2035
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 2: the candle as well.

2036
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 9: You know, I want to grow up one day.

2037
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, No, don't want to do that.

2038
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:08,799
Speaker 1: Miserable.

2039
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:10,880
Speaker 3: Do I look like I ever grew up?

2040
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 1: No?

2041
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 3: No, do you know that?

2042
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:14,599
Speaker 1: Yeah? But you know what, I look at him, he's

2043
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:16,679
Speaker 1: look how good he's doing.

2044
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 9: I know, I know he's doing.

2045
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:23,680
Speaker 3: Just that's a matter of opinion, believe am I in

2046
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 3: my world? I'm doing great?

2047
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah, No, I honestly do think you're doing well.

2048
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:29,799
Speaker 9: Yes you are. You're living your best life.

2049
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 1: You really are.

2050
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:35,400
Speaker 3: No one else would want to love it, but good

2051
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 3: for me.

2052
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 10: All right, fellas, let's start in the w NBA. Obviously,

2053
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 10: Kitlin Clark, Diana Tarossi. There's a couple of videos on

2054
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 10: social media that.

2055
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 9: I want to mention because this whole time, you know,

2056
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 9: we've been.

2057
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:49,719
Speaker 10: Talking about how Diana Tarassi has kind of handled Kitlin

2058
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,760
Speaker 10: Clark coming into the w n B A y'all Who

2059
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 10: Sports has a video wrap before the game. Diana Tarrossi

2060
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:56,680
Speaker 10: didn't just give her a high five, hugged her and

2061
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 10: they had like a little moment. Brittany Griner hugged her

2062
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:02,200
Speaker 10: and said something and you could see Kaitlyn Clark smiled.

2063
01:48:02,439 --> 01:48:05,760
Speaker 10: Then ESPN has another video during maybe a timeout or

2064
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 10: they're probably waiting for a free throw, Diana Tarassi and

2065
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:11,840
Speaker 10: Katelyn Clark all smiles, laughing, exchanged a couple of words.

2066
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 9: So it's nice to see that. Now, how is the

2067
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:14,759
Speaker 9: game going?

2068
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:18,720
Speaker 10: The Mercury are beating Indiana Fever fifty five. Actually, no,

2069
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 10: the Fever have just taken the lead. It's fifty seven

2070
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 10: to fifty five with about four minutes to go in

2071
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 10: the game. Kitlin Clark twelve points, eight rebounds, seven assists

2072
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 10: so far. Aleah Boston leading the way though for the Fever,

2073
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 10: she's got fourteen points and eight rebounds. As for the

2074
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:37,679
Speaker 10: Phoenix Mercury, Britney Griner is the leading scorer.

2075
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:38,799
Speaker 9: She's got fifteen points.

2076
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 10: Diana Tarossi four of eleven from the field, one of

2077
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:42,080
Speaker 10: seven from.

2078
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:42,839
Speaker 9: The three point line.

2079
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 10: She's got thirteen points and right now again Fever on

2080
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 10: top fifty seven to fifty.

2081
01:48:46,880 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 9: Five, less than four minutes to go in the third quarter.

2082
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:51,920
Speaker 10: On the other side of the WNBA, with Angel Reese

2083
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:54,719
Speaker 10: in the Chicago Sky they're beating the Links fifty seven

2084
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 10: to fifty six with about seven minutes to go in

2085
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 10: the game. Angel Reese, she is three of ten from

2086
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 10: the field. She's got seven points and eleven rebounds so

2087
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 10: far in the game, and they just have a one

2088
01:49:04,200 --> 01:49:04,760
Speaker 10: point lead.

2089
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 9: Let's move on to Major League Baseball. This is so annoying.

2090
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 10: The Astros and the Mets are in the bottom of

2091
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:11,880
Speaker 10: the ninth inning in New York and they're on a

2092
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 10: rain delay, tied at four, I'd be so annoyed.

2093
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,320
Speaker 9: I'd be like, why can't we just wrap this up?

2094
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 9: Tied at four apiece on a rain delay, I know,

2095
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:20,599
Speaker 9: not the way to go.

2096
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 10: The Royals beating the Guardian six to two bottom of

2097
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:25,640
Speaker 10: the eighth, A tie game between the Rockies and the

2098
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 10: White Sox three to three.

2099
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:28,920
Speaker 9: They're gonna start the eleventh inning.

2100
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:32,479
Speaker 10: The Giants probably upset that the Dodgers hit seven homers

2101
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:35,520
Speaker 10: in the or seven homers seven runs in the eleventh

2102
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 10: inning yesterday to beat them in San Francisco, so they

2103
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:40,719
Speaker 10: came out swinging. They're beating the Dodgers three zero, top

2104
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 10: of the third, Tigers up on the Angels one zero,

2105
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,600
Speaker 10: top of the third, Twins with the lead over the

2106
01:49:45,640 --> 01:49:47,719
Speaker 10: Mariners one zero bottom of the second.

2107
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 9: The games that have wrapped up. The Pirates beat the

2108
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 9: Braves four to two.

2109
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 10: The Phillies came back to defeat the Marlins seven to six,

2110
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 10: Red Sox Rafael Devers with a two run homer, and

2111
01:49:57,800 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 10: they defeated the Padres four to one.

2112
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:01,720
Speaker 9: All over the Blue Jays eight one.

2113
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 10: Aaron Judge did hit his major league leading thirty first

2114
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 10: homer of the season. The Rays shut out the Nationals

2115
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 10: five zero, the Brewers all over the Cubs seven to

2116
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 10: one was the final score, and the Cardinals just beat

2117
01:50:12,479 --> 01:50:15,040
Speaker 10: the Reds to zero. Now, what's going on at the

2118
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 10: Rocket Mortgage Classic.

2119
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:18,160
Speaker 9: There's a lot going on, guys. There's a lot going on.

2120
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:19,759
Speaker 9: It's the fourth and final round.

2121
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,759
Speaker 10: Cam Davis ashke Batiya still in the lead at eighteen

2122
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:25,599
Speaker 10: under part overall, Cameron Young is one shot.

2123
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:27,880
Speaker 9: Back back to you guys.

2124
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 2: All right, MONSI, thank you very much. I'm going to

2125
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:33,440
Speaker 2: steal something from our show yesterday.

2126
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:35,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask you all. Well, this was the fourth

2127
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:36,400
Speaker 3: of July.

2128
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:40,679
Speaker 2: We had a fourth of July trivia we did and

2129
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 2: Rich I'm gonna ask you a question because none of

2130
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:44,679
Speaker 2: us could get the answer to this question.

2131
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe you can.

2132
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:47,200
Speaker 1: Okay.

2133
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 2: The most purchased fourth of July foods? Yes, okay, hot

2134
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 2: dogs and buns are one?

2135
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 1: Two? Yes?

2136
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, so hot dogs and buns are one two? What

2137
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:01,120
Speaker 3: is number three?

2138
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 1: Do condiments count?

2139
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 3: No? Because I asked, I said mustard and no it's

2140
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:06,919
Speaker 3: not a condiment.

2141
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 1: Okay. The third thing?

2142
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:16,000
Speaker 2: Hot dogs are one, hot dog buns are two. I

2143
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 2: most purchased fourth of July foods?

2144
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 3: What's number three immediately.

2145
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:24,160
Speaker 4: The knee jerk response, I'm sure is hamburgers are hamburger patties.

2146
01:51:24,240 --> 01:51:27,639
Speaker 4: But I'm going to sidestep that, and I'm gonna say

2147
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 4: corn on the cob.

2148
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:31,959
Speaker 2: Now, corn on the cob is an interesting answer because

2149
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:37,600
Speaker 2: corner on the cob sales increase by a greater percentage

2150
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:41,320
Speaker 2: for the Fourth of July holiday than any other food item.

2151
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:45,920
Speaker 3: Interesting, but it's not the number three most purchased Fourth

2152
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:46,799
Speaker 3: of July food.

2153
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 2: All right, last, last guest, can I can I just

2154
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 2: say something real quick though? Yes, Chris, I cannot remember

2155
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:54,719
Speaker 2: the last time I've had a corn on the cob?

2156
01:51:55,160 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 4: Wow, really, but sales before you should have, By the way,

2157
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 4: I had one recently.

2158
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 3: You know what.

2159
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 2: I was at Universal Studios and I had a corn

2160
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:06,639
Speaker 2: on the cup.

2161
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 3: Was absolutely delicious. You sell that at Universal Studios?

2162
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:10,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah?

2163
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 2: And the uh yeah, and the Harry Potter area that

2164
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:17,520
Speaker 2: restaurant over there, and Harry Potter phenomenals.

2165
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,080
Speaker 3: Oh so good.

2166
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 5: Way there is a comfortable way to eat corn on

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01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 5: the cob and a theme park.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it was in a restaurant, in a restaurant,

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Speaker 2: and it was absolutely delicious.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, So again I'm looking for.

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Speaker 1: A cot awake.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm with you. I mean I love

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Speaker 3: corn on the cup.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So third most purchased Fourth of July food outside of

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Speaker 2: hot dogs and hot dog.

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Speaker 1: Parks, I'm gonna say popsicles.

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Speaker 2: Popsicles, all right? The answer is and we all guess.

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Speaker 2: We all had guesses yesterday. The answer is potato chips.

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Speaker 5: Wow, That's that's what I would have said if I

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Speaker 5: had a chance to guess.

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Speaker 2: The irony is fourth get this Fourth is hamburger buns,

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Speaker 2: not hamburgers, but hamburger buns.

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Speaker 10: You never get a hamburger Steve desperate times.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say never.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say to either because I've had, because I've

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Speaker 2: had combo, Hamburger and hot Dove.

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Speaker 3: I've done that before, hot dog, pizza, hamburger.

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Speaker 2: But potato chips. Do you have a lot of potato

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Speaker 2: chips around the rmburger estate?

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Speaker 8: Does?

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Speaker 5: What kind of potato chips?

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Speaker 1: Are?

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Speaker 5: Just general potato chess?

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Speaker 3: It just says general potato chips.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well listen. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: By the way, other favorites are watermelon, sweet corn.

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Speaker 3: We talked about, baked beans, tortilla chips.

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Speaker 1: Dude, watermelon. You know what.

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Speaker 4: Another thought came to mind was like potato salad or

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Speaker 4: Macaroni's house.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that's another thing I think when I talked

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Speaker 2: about corn on the cot or you know, yellow corn

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Speaker 2: sales go up by the biggest. I think potato potato

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Speaker 2: salves second on that list. As far as increase of

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Speaker 2: sales at the Fourth of July holiday.

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Speaker 4: I mean, just figure whoever like potato salad corporate, They're like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, we really got a I mean, everybody, it's

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Speaker 4: all hands on deca. It's the fourth of July. Because

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Speaker 4: at no other point in your life are you thinking,

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Speaker 4: you know, it sounds good potato salad?

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Speaker 2: Like nobody has ever said that except do you like

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Speaker 2: the German potato salad?

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Speaker 4: You mean with the vinegar instead of the mail? I mean,

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Speaker 4: is it my preference? No?

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Speaker 1: But Steve, have I ever turned down a meal?

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 4: If somebody serves me German potato salad, chances are I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna stare them directly in the face and I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: say to them, this is just what I needed.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 3: This is my favorite.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I have a million eating stories of rich

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Speaker 2: that I love, but one of my favorites was we

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Speaker 2: were in Vegas to cover a fight, and he had

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Speaker 2: not done this from a media standpoint, right, So, and

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Speaker 2: I'm a veteran of many, many, many many fights over

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Speaker 2: the year. So I told him, they're gonna have like

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Speaker 2: a breakfast mafet, real nice breakfast buffet for the media.

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Speaker 2: So we go in and they got like an omelet

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Speaker 2: bar separated and then like a buffet area with everything else.

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Speaker 2: So I go over to the buffet area to get

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Speaker 2: some food. I sit down, and Rich gone to the

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Speaker 2: omelet bar to get an omelet. Obviously, he finishes the

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Speaker 2: omelet and then he goes back to the buffet. So

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Speaker 2: I had finished my buffet food, but Rich, Rich did

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Speaker 2: the omelet first, ate that, and then he went for

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Speaker 2: the full hall and at the buffet, and he wanted

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Speaker 2: to take it all in experts.

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Speaker 1: See, everyone knows like it's a rookie move.

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Speaker 4: You don't go to you don't go to the buffet

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Speaker 4: hungry see the omelet first.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and then you go to the buffet.

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Speaker 3: And did not slow him down at the buffet. I

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Speaker 3: promise you that. But it was it was impressive. I

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Speaker 3: was I was odd. Actually, all right.

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Speaker 2: What kind of week are we looking at coming up.

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01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 2: We'll tell you this is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin,

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01:55:54,360 --> 01:56:01,800
Speaker 2: Rich Rmberger. Fox Sports Sunday takes me to like Staple

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Speaker 2: Centers where this takes me formerly known as Staple Center.

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Speaker 2: Once again, we are live from the tire Rack dot

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Speaker 2: Com Studios want to thank the crew today, Brilliant across

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01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 2: the board. Moncey of course providing updates, extraordinary, Chris on

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01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,440
Speaker 2: the board, unmatched in his ability to keep this show

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Speaker 2: humming every single Sunday.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit of a miracle, but we make it.

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Speaker 3: I know what it is. I know it is.

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01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 2: And then our our producer Bo, who is fully invested

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01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:39,080
Speaker 2: into the Lakers, and uh, I've been corresponding honestly with

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Speaker 2: Michael Thompson throughout the show today, asking about any type

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Speaker 2: of obstacles that would prevent Clay Thompson from being a Laker,

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01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:51,760
Speaker 2: and he made it clear there are no obstacles. If

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01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:55,280
Speaker 2: he chooses to be a Laker, he will be a Laker. Bo,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 3: That's cool, that's cool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll take it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they need a big in the worst way.

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Speaker 5: They need They've got to trade guys too. There's no.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they just got well, Dilo really gave him

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Speaker 2: a gift by picking up his option, so he's he's

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Speaker 2: very tradable. Why would you trade a guy who averaged

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01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 2: eighteen point shooting forty one percent threes?

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Speaker 3: Why would you trade that? Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't. But they're going to uh Rich.

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Speaker 2: By the way, a little update here on the Fever

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Speaker 2: versus Mercury game. Uh Phoenix had an eleven point halftime,

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01:57:32,600 --> 01:57:35,640
Speaker 2: Laida blew it, and now all of a sudden they

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01:57:35,680 --> 01:57:39,920
Speaker 2: are trailing at home to the lowly Indiana Fever. But

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Speaker 2: pretty much Diana Tarassi and Caitlyn Clark are matching shot

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Speaker 2: for shot. Diana Tarassi is two for eight from three

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Speaker 2: point land and Caitlin is two for nine, so almost

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Speaker 2: shot for shot. Yeah, yeah, sorry, I can't. You know,

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Speaker 2: people see what they want to see, isn't that what

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Speaker 2: we always say?

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Speaker 3: People see what they want to see.

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Speaker 1: Look, perception is reality exactly. I mean, the reality of

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Speaker 1: all things.

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Speaker 4: Is if you know, if everybody agrees that Kim Kardashian

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Speaker 4: is interesting, well then she's interesting.

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Speaker 3: Is the Emperor wearing clothes?

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Speaker 1: Well, we don't know.

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Speaker 4: We don't know, because again, perception is reality exactly. You know,

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Speaker 4: It's just the way life goes and sports are no different.

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Speaker 4: So that's the reason why when going back to the conversation,

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Speaker 4: we had second segment of the show with JP Morosi

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Speaker 4: about show Heyo Tani yeah, and will he or won't

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Speaker 4: he win an MVP even though he's only dhing. The

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Speaker 4: truth of the matter is, it doesn't really matter if

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Speaker 4: he's the best baseball player in Major League Baseball or

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Speaker 4: in his league. All that matters is that enough people

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Speaker 4: believe he is. That's all that matters. And you know,

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Speaker 4: whether people will have a hard time with it because

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Speaker 4: he is only dhing this year or whatever, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: matter if enough people believe that he's the MVP.

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Speaker 1: Guess what, he's the MVPN. There's no arguments about that.

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Speaker 2: We didn't talk about the JJ Reddick press conference and

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Speaker 2: it same as a new Lakers coach, I mean, when

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Speaker 2: Rob Polenka is a piece of work. When he insisted, well, actually,

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Speaker 2: JJ Reddick insisted that at no point did Lebron even

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Speaker 2: address him possibly being a Laker coach until it was

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01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:44,560
Speaker 2: official that indeed JJ Reddick would be the coach. Like

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Speaker 2: that was the first acknowledgment of any kind, according to

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01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:51,920
Speaker 2: JJ Reddick and Rob Polenka, that Lebron even spoke of

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Speaker 2: the possibility or the probability that JJ Reddick would be

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Speaker 2: the next head coach the Lakers. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: you can say these things with a straight face. I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you can sit there in front

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Speaker 2: of all those people in the media and claim that that.

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Speaker 3: Was a fact. I mean, come on now, I mean

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Speaker 3: the obvious question to JJ Reddy would be simply this, do.

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Speaker 2: You believe if you were not co hosting a podcast

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Speaker 2: with Lebron James, that, with your complete lack of experience,

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Speaker 2: you would have been considered for this job?

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Speaker 4: He said to himself, though he was pretty good at

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Speaker 4: the youth level, Yeah, as a head coach, he's got

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Speaker 3: A youth coach mark coming out on Fox Sports Radio