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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lowie. He is Matt Williamson. This

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Speaker 2: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and Matt, it

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Speaker 2: is time for the Fantasy Football Focus and we have

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Speaker 2: a little breaking news here on the Fantasy Football Focus.

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Speaker 2: Trayvon Diggs has torn acl Wow.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he is.

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Speaker 2: Out for the rest of the season, for the year

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Speaker 2: tour that in practice for Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Cowboys. Yeah, thought his brother the receiver they did sign Gilmore,

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Speaker 3: but it's not They signed Gilmore because it was not

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Speaker 3: an area of strength and Diggs is their top guy.

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Speaker 3: That hurts him. I mean that's really the first blow

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Speaker 3: they've had to deal with. They've had a pretty smooth

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Speaker 3: sail in, you know, twenty twenty three seasons so far,

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Speaker 3: and I think it's probably the best defense in the league.

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Speaker 3: But it's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he's a he's not a great cover corner,

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Speaker 2: but he takes the ball. He's the he's a young

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Speaker 2: Marcus Peters.

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Speaker 3: That's a good player. I think he's overrated because you

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Speaker 3: watch the Sports Center highlights.

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Speaker 2: You think, oh wow, any play the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he takes them all away and he's he's

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Speaker 3: not always physical.

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Speaker 2: Not anymore of this season.

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Speaker 4: They were talking an extension with him too. That affects that.

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Speaker 2: Brandon Ayuk not expected to play tonight for the forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers in that game against the Giants short week. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's dealing with a shoulder injury. I've just pulled him

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Speaker 3: So give him a nice long break. If you're the

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Speaker 3: Niners thinking that you should win without him, I don't

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Speaker 3: even think that creates a great opportunity for anybody else.

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Speaker 3: I mean except I mean Debo and Kittle might get

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Speaker 3: bigger chunks.

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Speaker 2: I mean Jan Jennings gets a little bit of a bump.

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Speaker 3: But McLeod might be out there a little Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: nobody Fantasy relevant.

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Speaker 2: No, uh, this is not the news you wanted to hear.

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Speaker 2: Taysom Hill practiced in full on Thursday, and you might say, well, that's.

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Speaker 3: Big messes everything up.

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Speaker 2: If he qualifies as a tight end in your league,

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Speaker 2: given the way tight end play has been.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna be on the field. It's not just a

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Speaker 4: Sean Payton thing.

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Speaker 2: He had nine carries for seventy five yards last week?

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Speaker 2: Was it that in the in in today's tight end world,

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Speaker 2: you'll take it. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: He might throw a pass or too, he might catch

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Speaker 3: a pass or to no he's.

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Speaker 2: And he might just vaulture away all the goal line carries.

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Speaker 4: I think Kendrey Miller is a really good start for

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Speaker 4: them this week.

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Speaker 2: I think Kendre Miller is a very solid start for them.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I picked him up and he is going

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Speaker 2: to play because bright Brandon Ayuk is not. I'm starting

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Speaker 2: Kendrey Miller over some other guys who I could put in.

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Speaker 4: I've been trying to grab him in some one of

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Speaker 2: Cam Akers passed his physical and has completed the trade

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Speaker 2: to the Vikings. Now that happened after our show ended

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Speaker 2: last night. Uh, they swapped late round draft picks with

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Speaker 2: the Rams. The Vikings did to acquire cam Akers, and immediately, well,

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Speaker 2: is cam Aker is going to pass Alexander Madison on

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Speaker 2: the depth chart. I don't see that happening.

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Speaker 3: I'd be shocked. For whatever reason, him and McVeigh didn't

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Speaker 3: see eyd eye. I mean, there was a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 3: A lot a lot, yeah, a lot of stuff last year.

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Speaker 3: Then he finished the season as the guy with the Rams.

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Speaker 3: But at that point Cup was out, Stafford was alt,

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Speaker 3: Donald was out. They were just playing out the string.

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Speaker 3: You know. It was not a competitive football team. They

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Speaker 3: more o line injuries than anything in like history. I

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Speaker 3: liked them coming out of school though, And I think

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Speaker 3: he's a good runner. I don't know that it's crazy

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Speaker 3: to say he challenges Madison, you know, but like in

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Speaker 3: our league, I was stashing Ty Chandler. I think he's

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Speaker 3: worth us. Now it's time to go on him.

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Speaker 4: You know that that that handcuff isn't going.

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Speaker 3: To come out.

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Speaker 2: I think at best this turns into a committee, which

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Speaker 2: is exactly what she didn't want. They're not running the

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Speaker 2: ball like as bad as badly as the Steelers have

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Speaker 2: run the football this year. Yeah, in the first two games,

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Speaker 2: the Vikings have run it.

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Speaker 3: Worse, worse and way less. I mean they are by

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Speaker 3: far the past heaviest team in the league. I mean

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Speaker 3: Cousins is throwing the ball like eighty percent of the snap. Now,

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Speaker 3: I assume that's why you make the trade, like we

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Speaker 3: can't live like this right to run the ball a little,

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Speaker 3: But I don't think you and I own Madison in

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Speaker 3: any league. I mean, we have never been high on him.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's the hardest guy to overcome, but

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Speaker 3: I don't. This doesn't acres I'm trading if I own him,

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Speaker 3: trade him now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this doesn't make me want him any nothing.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to get him. He had in week.

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Speaker 2: One he got twenty one carries and scored a touchdown

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Speaker 2: and didn't have ten Fantasy points. You know how hard

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Speaker 3: That's almost impossible because you did gain your twenty one Yeah,

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Speaker 3: twenty one carries and got in the end zone and

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Speaker 3: didn't get ten and didn't get didn't reach ten points.

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Speaker 3: And I know, like Kirian Williams is like loved by

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Speaker 3: coaches and he was team captain and you know, all

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Speaker 3: that good stuff. But if he beats you out, I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's just a guy too. He does the little things well.

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Speaker 2: James Cook, for personal reason, did not practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: I hope everything was okay with him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe it's because his brother and they don't know

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Speaker 2: he's not brothers something taking. They mentioned Stephan Diggs here.

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Speaker 3: And that makes sense. Bill's a brother.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, Okay, So according to teammates Stephan Diggs. This

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Speaker 2: is from I'm on Fantasy pros here. Uh, Cook miss practices.

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Speaker 2: He was expecting a child. I don't know he's going

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Speaker 3: He's not one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that would be yea, yeah, he should be back

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Speaker 2: and be okay. Austin Ekelar with that ankle injury, still

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Speaker 2: not practicing on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Just the way coach Staley has brought up the name,

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Speaker 3: it's like we're hoping sooner than later and real wishy washy,

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Speaker 3: not confident at all.

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Speaker 2: So Echolar was one of the guys who led the

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Speaker 2: charge on the running backs. Hey, we need to get paid.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's all get so is Barkley And all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, these guys have ankle and now Barkley's just happened.

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Speaker 4: Said two rushing yards this week.

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Speaker 2: Nicked up and not not practicing. It's not gonna play.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I hate to bring up the Chubb injury,

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Speaker 3: but that that as well. I mean, I was just

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Speaker 3: talking about highly fantasy drafted running backs. So we had

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Speaker 3: a long discussion on my Lockdown Dynasty podcast, which is

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Speaker 3: a little different and and Dynasty investing heavy in running

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Speaker 3: backs is scary because of this reason, but we even

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Speaker 3: stressed it more like man, if I was in a

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Speaker 3: dynasty startup, I might not take a running back for

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Speaker 3: five or six rounds, you know, like give me all

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Speaker 2: But then you see Bajohn Robinson staring you in the face.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I mean he's the number one dude, you know.

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Speaker 3: But even like Bryce Hall is one of the most

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Speaker 3: highly coveted ones, you can't even hardly start him right now, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: four touches last week brutal for brutal.

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Speaker 2: Uh So if Akalar doesn't go, I know, I know

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Speaker 2: what h Kelly. He's got struggled last week against the Titans.

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Speaker 4: I think everyone's gon struggle withinst Titans.

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Speaker 2: See, that's my that's my thing. When when people talk about, look,

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Speaker 2: I know Simmons mhm in Tennessee is a really good player. Yes,

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Speaker 2: when people talk about some of these other defensive tackles

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Speaker 2: and then I watch their defenses get gashed for three

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Speaker 3: Doesn't they're not this guy's and passes the same Smith test, right, No,

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Speaker 3: Titans are always gonna be hard to run against. They

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Speaker 3: were last year. But you can throw, you can throw. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but they play Cleveland, Cleland.

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Speaker 2: They playing Titans play Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: So we did a lot of conversation around the Steelers. Hey,

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Speaker 3: if you don't put up now, it's time to really

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Speaker 3: worry about the offense. I think the same is true

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Speaker 3: with the Shawn. I mean, Chubb is out, so it's

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Speaker 3: You need to produce, you know, like I have Richardson

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Speaker 3: and Watson in our league. Doesn't look like Richardson's gonna

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Speaker 3: play I feel this week.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's gonna run a little bit to get

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Speaker 2: you some point. If he's better for fantasy right now

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Speaker 4: Real life, he doesn't. I mean, his accuracies.

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Speaker 2: Troublesome, troublesome. Jamal Williams didn't practice on Thursday. We mentioned.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's playing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Matt Miller, Miller, Kendrey Miller, even when Kamara comes back.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was a declining player anyway, and they're

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Speaker 3: not going to throw him in week four after three

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Speaker 3: game suspension and say Kamara take thirty touches. Miller might

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Speaker 2: Let's Hope's hope because I would pay the fantasy world

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're just someone's going to carry the ball

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Speaker 2: Andy Dalton expected to start for the Panthers in Week three.

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Speaker 2: Uh they play the the Seattle Seahawks. Bryce Young has

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Speaker 3: You hate to see it for rookies because they need

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Speaker 3: all the reps they can get. Yeah, but for fantasy

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Speaker 3: this doesn't really matter, and Dalton might even be a

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Speaker 3: better player than him right now.

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Speaker 2: But do you bump any of their skill position players.

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Speaker 3: Their skill position players, the receivers. I mean, Miles Sanders

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Speaker 2: Uh. DeAndre Hopkins was not present during the open portion

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Speaker 2: of practice for the Tennessee Titans. They're one of these

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Speaker 2: teams and only let you out there to watch this

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Speaker 3: I only throw this out there because it's like super

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Speaker 3: common knowledge. But he's notoriously not a great practice doesn't practice.

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Speaker 2: More importantly, though, Derrick Henry was not present during the

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Speaker 2: media portion of open practice.

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Speaker 4: There's something going on.

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Speaker 2: He has a tow issue. He was limited on Wednesday

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Speaker 2: according to their practice report.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they're keep an eye on both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe they're trying to get him through the week

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Speaker 2: here and you know, maybe he'll be listed as again.

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Speaker 2: So if the reporters are only allowed out there to

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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean he can't. He didn't come back out,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is your world way more than mine,

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Speaker 3: but I would hate that as a as a beat writer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Steelers are the exact reporters can go out there.

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Speaker 2: Local reporters. If you're a national reporter, you're not allowed

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Speaker 3: So if you're a Flowers or Andrew's owner, I am

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one less mouth of he and Damon's.

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Speaker 2: Balls, they might do everything. Because backs Justice Hill with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: He's definitely a top twenty four, you know we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: But he's not going to catch any pass as real

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Speaker 3: I meant to mention this five minutes ago. Not quite

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Speaker 3: And if Henry didn't practice today, I mean, Henry's had

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Speaker 2: This is not what you want to hear. Matt Christian

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, I traded for him early. I traded

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Speaker 2: Aaron Jones was back at practice for the Packers on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: That's big. Yeah, fire him back up. He's a all

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Speaker 2: Back last man standing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's not Eckler's not Barkley, it's not you.

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Speaker 2: I mean we drafted up drafting him a lot in

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Speaker 3: That could be multiple weeks.

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Speaker 3: But Gibbs might get a carry or two more, he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Craig Reynolds is going to be the guy who

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Anthony Richardson with that concussion not practicing on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to this week.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so but Minshew will keep that offense.

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Speaker 2: I think it probably benefits the receivers a little bit

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Speaker 3: I assume so, and that sounds very logical. But pitt

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Speaker 3: Ben's been really good no matter who the quarterbacks, he

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Speaker 4: And he's been really good.

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Speaker 3: I think he's been an underrated player for a while,

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Speaker 2: Do you like what this does for their running game?

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Speaker 4: It's got a ton of snaps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way and yeah, I mean I think

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Speaker 3: He's in there in the crucial third down three get

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Speaker 2: I know they're playing the Ravens. They're playing the Ravens

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow with that calf, still considered day to day

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't either. I think they'll be in three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if they beat the Texans without him.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the drop from quarterback there is immense.

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Speaker 2: So let me let me mention this while we're on this.

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Speaker 4: Why on earth did you do that?

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Speaker 2: So I went and I looked up George Pickister. He

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Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of high end receivers.

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase, Devonte Adams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys who were number Like, seventeen targets and two

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Speaker 2: ridiculous statement. It's Mike Florio ridiculous statement day.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, Wow, that makes what organization would think that way?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I have no idea.

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Speaker 3: The last month of their career, of their contract. It's ay.

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Speaker 3: I heard it.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe. I had to read it again. So

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Speaker 2: I'm like you got to be kidding me.

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Speaker 3: He's years old.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I see a lot of dumb stuff put

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Speaker 3: And he's coming off to of his highly targeted game career.

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Speaker 2: Isaiah Pacheco with the hamstring, was back at practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: They play the Bears.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fire up.

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Speaker 2: Richie James for them with the knee. Won't practice Thursday.

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Speaker 2: He is not somebody to fire off. Kadarius Tony with

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Speaker 2: If he doesn't have a.

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Speaker 3: Part time starting sky More though, or any of their

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Evan Hall for the Colts will miss the rest

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Speaker 2: He's out for the year. They signed Trey Sermon to

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Speaker 2: were people one of the Steelers to sign Trey Sermon

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Speaker 3: I'm guilty of liking him coming out of Ohio State,

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Speaker 3: but he's been horrendous.

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Speaker 2: This one is Derek Stingley Junior injured as hamstring and practice.

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Speaker 2: He's a candidate for IR the Steelers play them next week.

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Speaker 3: Their ow lines of disaster. He's he got drafted ahead

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Speaker 3: of Sauce. Yeah, I mean he hasn't got a chance

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Speaker 2: And he's a really good nominal, really good player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean Chase during the COVID years used to

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Speaker 3: loss for them. Nothing's really going well for the Texans.

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Speaker 2: Looks like Ambry Thomas will play for the four nine

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's definitely a top twelve tight end.

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to play Brita.

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Speaker 3: No. No, how about Jones? No, I mean I'm sure

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Speaker 3: he'll scramble.

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Speaker 2: I mean in two quarterback leagues, you have to No, No,

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Speaker 2: I mean he wouldn't be a top twelve, but he's

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Speaker 4: Agreed a sneaky one for me though.

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Speaker 3: Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Elijah Mitchell could get some run tonight because I

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Speaker 2: He's probably getting fifteen tonight.

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Speaker 4: I think he played every snap four days ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not happening again.

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Speaker 3: Of course you put him in your line up, in

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Speaker 3: McCaffrey should sit out a lot.

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Speaker 2: I would think so, yeah, yeah, I would think so.

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Speaker 2: It looks like Wandel Robinson going to play tonight for

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Speaker 2: the first time.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of interested in him. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: We're back into yesterday's practice reports from the West Coast teams.

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Speaker 2: DK Metcalf with ribs did not practice on Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Smith the Jig be dealing with something too. See.

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Speaker 4: I think he's back back.

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Speaker 2: I think he's back, Okay. Tyreek Hill was limited in

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Speaker 3: I didn't I watched I think every snap of that game.

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Speaker 4: Didn't notice him ever pull up or anything.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle is still in concussion protocol. He did not

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Speaker 3: Hear, not at all.

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Speaker 4: I mean that offense is awesome, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 3: Of those reminds me of Lamborghini, Yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 3: just oil changes are five hundred. You know, you don't

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Speaker 3: I just it's they pull up a little something wrong

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Speaker 2: Goes right, you know, working on the engine again and.

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Speaker 4: There's not a third receiver. It's like, oh great craft,

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Mark Andrews off the week three injury report for the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: Good good, got some good news.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought he looked okay last week.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll be strong this week. Yeah. I also

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Speaker 3: think Kelsey will be back to being awesome. You know,

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Speaker 3: like those two might be easily tight.

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Speaker 2: End one and two now, yeah, without a doubt.

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Speaker 4: Hawkinson's in that conversation.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean Hawkinson's been Askinson's valuable. I mean,

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Speaker 2: would you rather have Hawkinson?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Now or Kittle without a doubt, like I actually preferred him.

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Speaker 2: I did two Yeah, I did too.

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Speaker 4: I like Kittle, but there's just too many miles feed there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So as we mentioned that Brandon I will not

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Speaker 2: play tonight for the for the forty nine ers, who

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Speaker 2: do you think they're off? If we think McCaffrey's not

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Speaker 2: going to get a lot of touches tonight, it could

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Speaker 2: be a big de Ayuk's not available. You said Elijah

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Speaker 2: mitches Mitchell was gonna get something, but they're not going

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Speaker 2: to run their offense to Elijah Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: No. I bet Deebo gets four carries, which is a

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Speaker 3: lot for a wider Yeah, right, and I bet he

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Speaker 3: gets a carry here and there. It could be a

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Speaker 3: big Kittle.

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Speaker 2: Game, could be I mean, he's done nothing.

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Speaker 3: This kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: But no, AUK McCaffrey still might play more than you think.

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Speaker 2: They haven't used him in the passing game at all.

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Speaker 4: Not as much as you you'd imagine.

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Speaker 3: Probably a good party games.

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Speaker 2: Just a bad team, but a good party game thus far,

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Speaker 2: like even over the like two hundred and thirty yards

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Speaker 2: and two touchdowns, Like.

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Speaker 3: Weird question, which quarterback would you rather start tonight?

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Speaker 2: Neither twelve, neither's neither's the top twelve guy. Yeah, probably party.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to get killed. Jones, might not find

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Speaker 2: might not finish the game, but he's going to have

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Speaker 2: to run for fifty or sixty yards in this game.

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Speaker 4: And I think he will. I don't know that they'll

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Speaker 4: do anything.

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Speaker 2: Else, but I don't know that I want my quarterback

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Speaker 2: doing that. With those two linebackers out there around, it's

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Speaker 2: your head taken off.

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Speaker 4: It could be a fun knife for the Giants.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. Obviously, we both think that the

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Speaker 2: forty nine. But I think they beat and it's like

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Speaker 2: twelve and a half.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a terrible situation. And for the Giants to.

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Speaker 2: Walk into missing a couple offensive linemen, not that it's.

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Speaker 3: A huge played in Arizona last week. If they stayed

485
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Speaker 3: on the West Coast, they did not. They don't like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I don't like anything about it.

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Speaker 2: For the Giants flying out there and yeah, flying back

489
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Speaker 2: from Arizona, I think they're super late. Yeah, and then

490
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Speaker 2: flying back out to the West Coast not good.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the best team in the league on a super

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Speaker 3: short week.

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Speaker 4: It might be their home opener.

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Speaker 2: No, it is their home opener. Yeah, have had it boys,

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Speaker 2: absolutely disaster.

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Speaker 4: Thomas isn't playing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be good.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williams and I am Dale Lollie. You're

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Speaker 2: listening to the Driver here on Steelers Nation Radio. We're

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Speaker 2: going to take a break. That was the Fantasy football focus.

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Speaker 2: here right after this.

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Speaker 2: You'll get on that maybe and get another Williamson jersey.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Avery so sun grew out of it long ago,

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Speaker 3: but we did pick up Avery Williams in Jersey.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Is you haven't hanging on the wall

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Speaker 2: or anything.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's that.

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Speaker 2: So Bill Barmwell on ESPN went back and looked at

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Speaker 2: the last well basically since they started making this sack

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Speaker 2: and official statistic and has ranked the best pass rushers

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Speaker 2: from either each era since nineteen eighty one or since

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Speaker 2: or the best individual seasons.

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Speaker 3: So that's interest.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at this. And he did this

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Speaker 2: because of well, Bosa's playing tonight and I.

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Speaker 4: Had something to talk about, something to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So from eighty one to eighty six, his top

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Speaker 2: pass rusher is no surprise here, Lawrence Taylor.

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Speaker 4: I think he's the best ever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good at it. Moving on from eighty seven

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Speaker 2: to eighty nine, Reggie White.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm sure some people have seen the TJ.

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Speaker 3: Watt stat that in their first ninety games, who has

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Speaker 3: the most sacks ever? Reggie's the only one ahead of TJ,

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Speaker 3: which is remarkable. But there's a little difference with this guy.

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Speaker 3: His rookie year and year after. We're in the USFL, right,

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Speaker 3: so he came into the his rookie year, he was

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Speaker 3: like a twenty six year old man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's noteworthy because it matters if you

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Speaker 2: look at what what didn't really have a breakout, breakout

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Speaker 2: season until he was He was okay in year one,

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Speaker 2: I think he had seven and a half sacks. Year two,

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Speaker 2: year two was like I think ten or eleven, twelve

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Speaker 2: something like that. Your third years when he led the

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Speaker 2: league in sacks for the first.

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Speaker 3: If he could have started his ninety game clock.

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Speaker 2: Then now he's averaging basically a sack of game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then if he wouldn't get there yet, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but he may blow past Reggie, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's that's very noteworthy. Yeah, but White Reggie's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: He was un Yeah, I mean he was great.

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Speaker 3: He had and he's also unlike these edge guys. He's

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Speaker 3: two hundred ninety pounds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was just impossible to block. He

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Speaker 2: had seventy sacks in his first four seasons.

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Speaker 3: First four seasons in this era, I mean, this isn't

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Speaker 3: the seal curtain Ero when people weren't getting sacks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they were getting Gastino's sack exchange, but still people weren't

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Speaker 3: throw the balls off as they do.

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Speaker 2: Now he had eighteen sacks in nineteen eighty six. He

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Speaker 2: had twenty one sacks in nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 3: Like wow yoo, yeah, real quick though the counteract one

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Speaker 3: thing I did say, they the passing percentage was lower

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Speaker 3: than but they were also like seven step draw.

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Speaker 2: No quick game things that nature.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't bubble screens and RPOs, you know.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety Bruce Smith.

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Speaker 3: I think that's clear. Yeah, he's also bigger than the

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Speaker 3: Watson Lts of the world. He's too, eighty five as

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Speaker 3: a first overall pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety one to ninety three. Reggie White with the

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Speaker 2: Eagles and.

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Speaker 4: Packers, Oh back he company. He's a two time winner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lost the belt there for a year. He gets

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Speaker 2: to the Bruce.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they kind of had a Troy Ed Reid thing

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Speaker 3: going there. You know, White and Smith who better, clearly

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Speaker 3: better than everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety four, Blitzberg was in full full till at

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Speaker 2: that point, Kevin Green is going to get here. He

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Speaker 2: led the league in sacks that year. It was fourteen.

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Speaker 2: It was a down year for sacks overall, but that

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Speaker 2: defense got after it.

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Speaker 4: It was a fun defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I mean you would say TJ is the

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Speaker 3: better pass rusher. Yes, TJ's the best Steeler pass rusher

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Speaker 3: you've ever seen. I would imagine, yes, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's crazy talk. No, I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's even the debate.

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Speaker 2: Ninety five to ninety seven, Bruce Smith takes the belt back.

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Speaker 3: Okay, not quite done, not quite done yet? Is that

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Speaker 3: the four super Bowl time for them?

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Speaker 2: No, this was coming out of that.

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Speaker 3: That's after that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't remember what years those.

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Speaker 2: Were, nineteen ninety eight. Reggie White takes the belt back

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Speaker 2: three time went out.

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Speaker 3: He's like Rick Flair.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty time champion. I guess he didn't play a long.

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Speaker 2: Thirty seven years o. Already in a sixteen SAX season.

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Speaker 4: As a thirty seven year old.

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Speaker 2: But that just shows you when we talk about Cam Hayward,

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Speaker 2: these guys games who are built on power, like Reggie Whites,

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Speaker 2: was they fade away much more slowly than the guy

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Speaker 2: who's a speed guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good point. I mean his get off

611
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Speaker 4: isn't as he's.

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Speaker 2: Still throwing guys out of the bar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like up move and just picking up guards and

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Speaker 3: tossing them out. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Crazy, that's really impressive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: So real quick. I often referenced Michel Michael Lombardi and

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Speaker 3: I should give you the book because you'll read in

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Speaker 3: four seconds, but I just got it from Amazon, And

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Speaker 3: basically he kind of says, put in a nutshell. He's like,

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame's a little water down. There should

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Speaker 3: be tears. So he goes and he puts the top

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Speaker 3: one hundred players in the book. He did like the

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Speaker 3: top ten coaches. He had Reggie at like the fifth

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Speaker 3: best player ever. I mean like really really high, really

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Speaker 3: pretty darn good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen ninety nine to two thousand, Warren Sap makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I mean he was really the first three technique. You know,

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Speaker 3: they're line up on that outside shoulder of the guard

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Speaker 3: and just win with explosive get off power. And that's

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Speaker 3: still being done through Aaron Donald and you know to

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Speaker 3: this day.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and one, Michael Strahan he said.

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Speaker 3: The record Yeah, I assume that was his record year.

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Speaker 2: That was the record year. Twenty two and a half sacks.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and two. Jason Taylor relliot player. He had

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Speaker 2: eighteen and a half sacks, was a Dolphins three, more

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Speaker 2: than any other player that year.

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Speaker 3: Okay strong.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and three, straight hands back.

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Speaker 3: Ever met Jason Taylor. Yeah, he looks like a Greek god.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and three was straight hand he had eighteen

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Speaker 2: and a half sacks season. Two thousand and four. Two

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Speaker 2: thousand and five. Dwight Freeney.

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Speaker 3: He was different too, one of the first shorter. I

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Speaker 3: remember when he ya. I was a draft nerd back then.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't getting paid to do this. He ran like

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Speaker 3: a four to four to combine when non defensive backs

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Speaker 3: on defense didn't run four fours. Yeah, and somehow he

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Speaker 3: lasted like the mid first round.

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Speaker 2: Two thousand and six was Jason Taylor.

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Speaker 3: Again. He's a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's in the Hall of Fame. Two thousand

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Speaker 2: and seven. Two thousand and eight. DeMarcus ware Newla two

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Speaker 2: thousand and seven, I'm sorry. Two thousand and eight, James

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Speaker 2: Harrison won the Defensive Player of the Year award with

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Speaker 2: sixteen sacks.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, but didn't get the nod.

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Speaker 2: But didn't get the nod. Here and here's what he

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Speaker 2: says about In two thousand and eight, where became the

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Speaker 2: first player to get twenty sacks in the season since

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Speaker 2: straighthand in two thousand and one, so nobody was going

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Speaker 2: to take the belt away here, it's going to irk

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Speaker 2: some Steeler fans who concredibly pointed James Harrison as the

665
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Speaker 2: rightful winner. Harrison broke out with sixteen sacks and seven

666
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: forced fumbles before helping to win a Super Bowl with

667
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: a one hundred yard pick six before halftime.

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Speaker 4: At least get mentioned. I like that part.

669
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Harrison one defensive player of the year, although where

670
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: wasn't far behind. That's kind of like DeMarcus Ware never

671
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: dropped in the coverage. No, no, no, James Harrison did.

672
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and so did Kevin Green Right, they

673
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: dropped in the coverage, real quick story. The year I

674
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: spent with the Browns was the year that where came

675
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: out out of Troy. Yeah, and he wasn't a slam

676
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 3: dunk top ten pick, but the Brownies had him as

677
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: like their second or third player overall. Braylan Edwards was

678
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 3: the number one. I remember watching this guy that worked

679
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: out well, yeah, right, you should have taken DeMarcus Ware.

680
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: I should have taken Aaron Rodgers.

681
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: But two thousand and nine Jared Allen.

682
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. He's at the level of these guys,

683
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 3: but I mean a really good career.

684
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 4: I don't think he's in yet.

685
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 3: He's not in though, Yeah, I know he's fighting.

686
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: Twenty ten, twenty eleven DeMarcus Ware Again.

687
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: He's that good. I didn't think I didn't understand why

688
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: there was any debate why he should be a Hall

689
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: of Famer.

690
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: Twenty twelve to twenty fifteen JJ.

691
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: Watt, Oh, yeah, he may show up again.

692
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: I mean he was a dominant player for quite a while.

693
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very good. Twenty sixteen Von Miller mm hmm.

694
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 4: I think he's an easy Hall of Famer at this

695
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 4: point too.

696
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, those could use him.

697
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen to twenty twenty Aaron Donald.

698
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Maybe JJ doesn't get back because him and

699
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: Donald did that stretch. Are still pretty back and neck.

700
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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one TJ Watt, Yeah sure. Twenty twenty two

701
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: Nick Bosa Yeah, and then twenty twenty three, well, we

702
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: don't know yet. Here's what he writes about twenty twenty three.

703
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: Bosa holds a belt, but as we sit here in

704
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: week three of the season, it's impossible to say whether

705
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: he'll retain it for another year. He's sacklist thus far

706
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: after holding out during training camp. But I suspect that

707
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: zero in the sack Collum won't survive Thursday night's matchup

708
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: with quarterback Daniel Jones and company, especially with Giants left

709
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: tackle Andrew Thomas ruled out for the game. Okay, there

710
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: are many fun pass rushers in line to take the

711
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: belt from Bosa if it can't hold up. T J

712
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: Watt as four sacks, nine quarterback knockdowns in two forced

713
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: fumbles in two games. Micah Parsons has three sacks and

714
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: six knockdowns. I'm not sure there's a level of dominance

715
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: quite like telling the opposing coach that he should have

716
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: taken his starting quarterback out of the game for his safety.

717
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: If you're a pass rush pass rusher and you're dominant,

718
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: so dominant you're actually looking out for the opposing quarterbacks,

719
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: you're a bad man. I could name a half a

720
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: dozen candidates. Miles Garrett would win this award and set

721
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: the single season sacker. I keep seeing people say that

722
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: that Miles Garrett could set the single.

723
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Speaker 3: Season sack record.

724
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, zero one, He's got one through two games.

725
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 3: He better start getting better. Pick up this week, Yeah, yeah,

726
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: I mean catch up, I mean TJ. Also leads the

727
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: league in quarterback knockdowns.

728
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's getting into the quarterback yeah, I mean he

729
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: would be my front runner right now.

730
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: You do switch caps for a second. Okay, I got

731
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: my laptop here and everything. All right, everyone, I'm doing

732
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: my Dale Lalli impersonation. Next Gen Stats. I know nothing

733
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: about it because it came out today. They put out

734
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: this new pressure probability model, so I don't know exactly

735
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 3: what that means, but they put out the top ten

736
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 3: pass rushers till this minute through two games with a score,

737
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 3: and they have Parsons number one. He gets a pass

738
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: rush score of ninety nine. That's as far as I've looked.

739
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 3: So I'm just scrolling as we speak, So I think

740
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: he might be leader in the clubhouse for me, with

741
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: all respect to TJ. What Parsons is doing is miraculous too.

742
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: Nick Bosa gets a ninety seven. You're better at this

743
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: to me. Miles Garrett gets a ninety six. I don't

744
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: know how he's ahead of TJ. Hasan Reddick gets a

745
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: ninety five. Trey Henderson Hendrickson gets a ninety five, Quinnin

746
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: Williams gets a ninety four. Javon Hargrave gets an I

747
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: should I should have looked at this first. Zadarius Smith

748
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: gets a ninety three, Josh Allen gets a ninety three.

749
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 3: Alex high Smith is also a ninety three honorable mention,

750
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: the Forrest Buckner, Daniel Hunter, Jalen Phillips, Josh Sweat, Montege

751
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: Sweet Josh Ucha, and finally one T. J. Watt.

752
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 4: Maybe they should go back to the drawing board on

753
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: this one.

754
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: Here's the thing that bothers me about this. So in

755
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: the off season when I when I tweeted out that.

756
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: Close the left up, Yeah.

757
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: This is why. So in the off season, when I

758
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: tweeted out that that Alex Highsmith had signed his contract

759
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 2: and it wrote a story about it and put.

760
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: It out, maybe that's the story.

761
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: Is high Smith's ten good?

762
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: I tweet this out and some slappy from one of

763
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 2: these analytics websites tweets back at me and says, yeah,

764
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: maybe he'll start getting a better win rate on sacked

765
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 2: on the pass. Rushes fourteen and a half sacks last year.

766
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 3: He's doing his job.

767
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 2: He's he won at least fourteen and a half times.

768
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: I know that ten times he won.

769
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: Don't tell me, don't give me this garbage of well,

770
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: he affected to throw.

771
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: You don't know that. You don't have no idea.

772
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 4: That's why we even talked this up earlier in the show.

773
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: Pressure rate, What the hell's pressure rate?

774
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, in the first segment today, I

775
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: said the Raiders are lasting pressure rate, the Steelers are first.

776
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: And you said, I don't know what that means.

777
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 3: I mean someone said, should we give him a pressure

778
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 3: or not? Yeah, let's give him pressure. I don't give

779
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 3: him pressure.

780
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was within three yards of the quarterback, so

781
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: therefore he affected to throw. You don't know that for

782
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: a fact.

783
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: I brought it up cause I thought it was noteworthy

784
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: because number one is playing number thirty two. But do

785
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: I think the Steelers are the best pass rushing team

786
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: in the league by like ten percent more than everybody else?

787
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: No, And even like so, I saw something recently and

788
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 2: somebody tweeted something out, Well, T J wat gets a

789
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: lot of his sacks. They're hustle sacks.

790
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't think that's bad.

791
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: No, I'd rather about that then the guy, well, Chris Jones,

792
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: Chris Jones, he goes out there and he just has

793
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: three great pass rushes per game and he gets to

794
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 2: the quarterback on those three, but he does nothing else

795
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: the rest of the game. Well, one of the reasons

796
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: the guy affects the game on every single play. One

797
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 2: of the reasons j Watts gets a lot of hustle

798
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: sacks is because he gets a lot of sacks. When

799
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 2: you get twenty some of them might be like, who

800
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: wasn't on your list? There it was Max Crosby. He

801
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: gets a lot of hustle sacks. He does He's relentless.

802
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons, Right, that's that's that's the job, the whole idea,

803
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: Like my first pass rush move didn't work. I'm just

804
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: gonna sit down now, I mean whatever, anyway, back to

805
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 3: my list, what should have been higher?

806
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: The analytics stuff just drives me nuts, Like I get it,

807
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: there's a place in there's a place for it in football.

808
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the percentage is and what you

809
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: should look at it. And okay, his percent is again,

810
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: pressure rate is twenty three percent. What does that mean?

811
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Aaron Donald's is really low, but he's getting

812
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: blocked by three men. Yeah, and the edge guy has

813
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: a really high pressure rate. Well, because Donald's getting blocked

814
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 3: by three men. Yeah, I don't know. I haven't seen

815
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: a pass rush stat even including sacks, but sacks is

816
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: pretty important. That beats the tape, right, Just watch the tape.

817
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: I mean again, if you're Alex high Smith and you

818
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: had fourteen and a half sacks last year, don't tell

819
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: me that he didn't have a good.

820
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 3: Year, right, or he's not worth the money, or don't

821
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 3: give me that bull crap.

822
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 4: Go watch the Browns game, Go watch Monday night.

823
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: I mean, for a long time, the Steelers record was

824
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: fourteen and a half sacks until James Harrison has had

825
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 2: sixteen and then what raised the bar.

826
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: Fourteen and a half.

827
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 4: It's a huge number.

828
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: We just talked about Kevin Green. He had fourteen and

829
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: a half sacks in nineteen ninety four that led.

830
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 4: The league, and he got the belt that led the

831
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: league league.

832
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 2: So don't tell me that fourteen and a half, well,

833
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: it's not that big of a deal. Fluky, Oh he

834
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: fluky he had You know they didn't block him on

835
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: this player.

836
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: I don't care.

837
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: Did you get the quarterback on the That's what I

838
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: care about.

839
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 3: TJ on the other side for much of that time,

840
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 3: I don't just watch the tape, watch the tape.

841
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: Tell me, tell me if that's a guy's a good

842
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: player or not. The fact that that that uh Zadarius

843
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: Smith is on there and he and they both he

844
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: and Garrett have one sack.

845
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: Each one one one sacks are important. It's kind of it.

846
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 2: You can take the reservation, you don't keep the reservation.

847
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: That part's important that we.

848
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: I used to talk with Steph on to IT about

849
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: that all the time when I when I hosted this

850
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: stuff on to IT show, and he had he wasn't

851
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: posting the big sack numbers. He had good pressure numbers,

852
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 2: but he wasn't getting the sacks because he's like, like,

853
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm chopping my feet too much.

854
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: I'm not finishing. Finishing. There's an art to finishing.

855
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you could be great at getting pressure, but you

856
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: gotta finish or it doesn't matter.

857
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: Once that, I do like his quarterback hits. Do I

858
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: give him a hit or not? No? He hit the quarterback. Yeah,

859
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: quarterbacks don't like getting hit.

860
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: And I also say this, and I'm not picking on

861
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: anybody who does this for a living, but I sit

862
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 2: close enough to the stack keepers at various games around

863
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: the league where I hear them talking about who had

864
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: that quarterback hit. They don't sometimes they're guessing.

865
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: And even the half sack thing's weird. That's that's the

866
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 3: one thing I give Pro Football Focus credit for. I'm

867
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: ninety percent certain if you and I get to this

868
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: quarterback at the exact same time, by their numbers, they'll

869
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 3: give both of us a sack. Like I think half

870
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 3: sacks are really dumb. Yeah, why do I only get

871
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: credit for half I just put the quarterback on his back.

872
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 3: Whether do I have to split it right? Right?

873
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 4: I think that's kind of smart.

874
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So, anyways, that was Barbwell's I didn't mean, we

875
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: didn't mean to go down that rabbit hole.

876
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: Or whatever, but you rabbit holes fun my laptop today.

877
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: That was Barball's list of the heavyweight champions of the

878
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: pass Rush.

879
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: They are heavyweight champions.

880
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: On that In fact, pretty much everybody on that list

881
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Speaker 2: other than none of us were, Like really, other than

882
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 2: Jared Allen, I think, is the only one who either

883
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: he's not in the Hall of Fame and protesting too.

884
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: It might not get in, but like JJ Watt, he's

885
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: getting in.

886
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 3: Donald's getting in.

887
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: Those guys are getting TJ's headed that way.

888
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Nick Bos and TJ are a little early,

889
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: but that's because it's they've.

890
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: Got they've got Defensive Player of the Year awards.

891
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: That helps.

892
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're gonna take a break. He is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here

894
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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. We're back to finish up the

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Speaker 2: show right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold SNR Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Matt. We have the Steelers injury report from today

901
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: and uh, well it looks much better than it did

902
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: a day ago.

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00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: Shaping up. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Peterson back as a full participant. He was resting

905
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Speaker 2: us yesterday anyways. Uh, Demante k Z a full participant

906
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: with that calf issue. Mika Fitzpatrick a limited participant today.

907
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: He did not practice yesterday, so he spoke he plans

908
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: on playing.

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00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Marcus Golden with the knee, did not practice yesterday. He

911
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Speaker 2: was limited today. Isaac Samalo who was resting yesterday and

912
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: did not practice. He was a full participant today. Darnell

913
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: Washington with the knee, did not practice yesterday. He was

914
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Speaker 2: limited today. The only two guys who did not practice

915
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Speaker 2: today were Gunner Olszewski and Larry Ogunjobi Oshewsky with the concussion,

916
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Speaker 2: Ogunjobi with that foot. This is just a new norm

917
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Speaker 2: for him.

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00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 3: That's since he's been here.

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00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: That's basically been But if he goes out and plays

920
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: like he did on Sunday, have I only if you

921
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Speaker 2: don't practice all week, there's enough young guys and young

922
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: defensive linemen that you need to get work. I'm good

923
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Speaker 2: with Larry Ogunjobi is go be dominant on Sunday.

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00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: And yeah, so I bet you and Benzi have had

925
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 3: this conversation because we did last night. And I must

926
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: say it's even wrong. I hadn't thought it from this angle,

927
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: but he said, ogin Jobi's my favorite, he said, first

928
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: quarter player, and and I kind of think there's a

929
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Speaker 3: little something to that. Like he was dominant in the

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Speaker 3: first half. He wasn't bad in the second half. But

931
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Speaker 3: I'm wondering if he's always fighting injuries and whatnot, is

932
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: less more with him, you know what I mean? Asking

933
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Speaker 3: him to be well? They up.

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Speaker 2: He ended up playing about sixty percent of the snake Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The only other the only defensive lineman who actually played

937
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Speaker 2: more than him last week is Montrevius Adams.

938
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Speaker 4: I think he's playing well too.

939
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. He hustles, he does, and yeah, I'll say so.

940
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Speaker 2: I asked Taro Austin today, asked, like, Taroll, you guys

941
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: have seven forced fumbles in the first two games. You

942
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: had nine all of last year.

943
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: What's going on?

944
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: Was that something you emphasized in the offic because absolutely,

945
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: you know, we emphasize getting the ball out. Yeah, you know,

946
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 2: that's whether that's you know, on the the receivers or

947
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Speaker 2: the ball carriers.

948
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Speaker 3: I will say definitely had more if what would have

949
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: played the whole year with the he's one of the

950
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Speaker 3: best at punching the ball.

951
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: But they had nine last year and high Spith led

952
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: the league with five and the rest of the team

953
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Speaker 2: had four.

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00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, that's like it's like having the rushing leader.

955
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: It's like having the home run leader and being last

956
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: in the league get home running exactly. Yeah, like Mark

957
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 3: McGuire in sixty but you guys have sixty two. Like,

958
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 3: what's going on here?

959
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: It's a little strange. Might that be one of the

960
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: issues though. Why they're missing some of these tackles. Are

961
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: they going for the ball too much?

962
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: I don't know.

963
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 4: I guess it's something to think about it.

964
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: It's definitely something. It's a there's a balance there.

965
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've seen against McCaffrey and Rubbs of the world.

966
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, when a guy's going for the you

967
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Speaker 2: see a lot of times the guy's in there chopping

968
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: at the ball while the running back still running and

969
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: people are going, that's why is he.

970
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 3: Getting them on the ground.

971
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: Well, you try to create the turnover, I.

972
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Speaker 3: Mean, especially for the second guy. And yeah, you know,

973
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: but maybe I mean, but it's working. If you're gonna

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00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 3: cause three and a half fumbles a game, I'll take

975
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Speaker 3: the long run.

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Speaker 2: Ye take that, and you're you know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how many they've recovered. I don't think

978
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 3: their fumble luck has been great.

979
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,919
Speaker 2: They've gotten enough.

980
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: I don't think it's zero or one. It's not. Yes,

981
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

982
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 2: I'm looking here. They've recovered fumbles, fumbles, force forced fumbles seven,

983
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: recovered fumbles four.

984
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: Okay, that's average slightly both, you know, r is that

985
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: is seven the most.

986
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the most. I haven't looked

987
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: into it that far, but I'm just looking here. Yeah,

988
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 2: so what has two recoveries? Casey has one, Ogan Jobie

989
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: has one.

990
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 3: So they're all those are all defensive recoveries.

991
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

992
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's so weird.

993
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: Do you lead the league interceptions and are lasting fumbles

994
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 3: last year and now you're causing fumbles left and right?

995
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now you'd like to see some of those interceptions.

996
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 2: They do have one mm hm that came off the

997
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: tip pass. That was a weird play.

998
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

999
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: It was like the throw is behind the tight end

1000
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: mm hmm. He tips it into the air, like four

1001
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: people falls into Minca's arms. As as the tight end

1002
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: falls to the is, he turns around, he hits the

1003
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: ball pops.

1004
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: Up in here like yeah, I couldn't like.

1005
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: A hot potato thing. And we know Menca has good

1006
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: ball skills.

1007
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: No, he just got hit the wrong time, right. They

1008
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: played it great and then he just got hit as

1009
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: he was shooting the layup.

1010
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, five first five forced turnovers already for the Steelers.

1011
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: If they can continue, that's a trend.

1012
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 4: No one's talking about the that's tremendous.

1013
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you can average two and a half.

1014
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 4: And what if the league leaders again or gets three

1015
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 4: or four?

1016
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you know, start looking at those

1017
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: forced fumbels, it's two by t. J. Watt, two by

1018
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: Cole Holcom. Really maybe that's that's that's that's a nice

1019
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: And I.

1020
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 4: Haven't studied his career long enough. Is he good at that?

1021
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: That's two more than they had all last season from

1022
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: there instart.

1023
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 4: Of the same position.

1024
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 3: Good point. So you're playing with house money on that.

1025
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, high Smith has one montrevious Adams says one. So

1026
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 2: I mean they're spreading them around the loom. There must

1027
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: have been one on special teams too, because I'm not

1028
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: seeing them.

1029
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 4: That's only six still, seven is an awful lot.

1030
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: That's not bad. Nice, But yeah, Cole Holcombe, if he's again,

1031
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: if that's something he does, if he gives you five

1032
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: or six of those over the course of the season, tremendous.

1033
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: That's six times as many or five times as many

1034
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: as what you.

1035
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 3: Have and they're recovering them. Yeah, yeah, so something something

1036
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: of note.

1037
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: Just to see if that if that continues.

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00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, I don't know that Jimmy's fumble prone.

1039
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a thing with him necessarily I

1040
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 3: don't think so. Yeah, Will, especially in the middle of

1041
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: the field. And I don't think Jacobs is necessarily a fumbler.

1042
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 3: I only think either one of those is really in

1043
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: their profile necessarily.

1044
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see fumbles. They don't have any.

1045
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: Yet, don't have any. No, I think their turnover numbers

1046
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: aren't great though.

1047
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're minus over or something like that. They

1048
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 2: don't have any interceptions take them. How about this number

1049
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: in two games? They have three pass defenses.

1050
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: In two games. Their defensive players have touched the ball

1051
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: three times. That's laddered off their hands. Yeah, and then

1052
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: one of them may have been like bad down on

1053
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. Their secondary is bad.

1054
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: If you look at the Steelers thus far, have thirteen

1055
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: pass defenses.

1056
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: Probably about normal.

1057
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it should be. You should end up

1058
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: five or six per game. That's that's pretty much. They

1059
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: have three in two games.

1060
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 4: That's The Raiders have some strange numbers, and none of

1061
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 4: them are good.

1062
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: No, they're not good.

1063
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: None of them are good.

1064
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: As bad as this, you know, as bad as things

1065
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: have been offensively for the Steelers, the Raiders are right there.

1066
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 4: With them, especially on defense.

1067
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: Especially defensively, they have some on.

1068
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: Offense running wise that are worse.

1069
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 2: Than the atrociously good atrocious. So we'll see what what

1070
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 2: the future has in store for that. But we'll be

1071
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 2: back tomorrow. Tomorrow we put together our DFS lineup, we'll

1072
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: break down, breakdown of the Steelers and Raiders, will make

1073
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: our picks on that game. That's going to do it

1074
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Speaker 2: for our show today. Uh So for my partner Matt

1075
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: Williamson for cj wopefully here on site keeping us on

1076
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: the air. I'm Dale Lolly. We appreciate you listening to

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Speaker 2: this edition of the Drive on Steelers Nahim Radio