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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,
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Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today
Speaker 3: I'll be speaking with Stephen Bassett. Steve's the executive director
Speaker 3: of the Paradigm Research Group, which he founded back in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six to end the government imposed embargo on
Speaker 3: the truth behind extraterrestrial related phenomenon. It was then that
Speaker 3: he became a registered lobbyist for the UAP subject, although
Speaker 3: in practice it was really more about lobbying the media
Speaker 3: than Congress itself. Steve's been advocating hard for disclosure from
Speaker 3: our government for over twenty eight years now, and I
Speaker 3: do not know of anyone who's more knowledgeable on this
Speaker 3: subject than him.
Speaker 4: How you doing, buddy, I'm doing fine.
Speaker 3: Ron.
Speaker 4: I'm recovering from the CIITD.
Speaker 3: It does kind of have a two week hangover, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: It takes y it does it's and in this case,
Speaker 4: I kind of overdid myself.
Speaker 3: You did, I think you had like eight presentations, an
Speaker 3: unprecedented number. It was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how that happened. They just kind
Speaker 4: of adding up. You know, I want to speak to
Speaker 4: everybody all the time. So I'm going, okay, I'll do that.
Speaker 3: I'll do that.
Speaker 4: Mind I'm running around the hotel grounds. I'm getting coo
Speaker 4: old for that. Man, I'm going to have to alter
Speaker 4: my approach.
Speaker 3: We'll cut you back to seven next year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go to seven.
Speaker 3: Well. I think that this is a very important topic,
Speaker 3: and I really think most people out there don't even
Speaker 3: realize the progress that's actually been made in Congress, And
Speaker 3: with Steve's help, I hope to lay that out here.
Speaker 3: First Off, there's been four bills in Congress in our
Speaker 3: recent history that actually addressed the UAP issue. I'd like
Speaker 3: to discuss the latest one here with Steve. A year
Speaker 3: ago back on June fifth of twenty three, we all
Speaker 3: sat around and watched David Grosch give his press briefing
Speaker 3: where he came forward about his knowledge of et craft
Speaker 3: and beings. And then just thirty nine days later was
Speaker 3: when the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer authored the bill
Speaker 3: called the UAP Disclosure Act. This bill seemed to be
Speaker 3: exactly what we've been waiting for, and Steve, I bet
Speaker 3: you were bouncing off the walls the day you saw
Speaker 3: that bill get released.
Speaker 4: I blew my mind. You have to have a pretty
Speaker 4: substantial knowledge of the history of this to truly appreciate
Speaker 4: how important it was. Right, I think some people would go, oh,
Speaker 4: it's another bill, whatever, no big deal, Oh huge, huge.
Speaker 4: It was the culmination, I think of the whole seven
Speaker 4: years where we saw these individuals come forward, including Christopher Mellen,
Speaker 4: Lewis Alasando, and Gary Nolan and others. But those first
Speaker 4: three have been very prominent in the process that's been
Speaker 4: underway for seven years. We've got tons of media was
Speaker 4: generated by that coming out and the New York Times article. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: a lot of things are going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: People were being briefed, Members of Congress were being briefed,
Speaker 4: a lot of people in Hollywood. They got their attention,
Speaker 4: they started looking at projects. And then after basically three
Speaker 4: years of that, the next major thing took place, and
Speaker 4: that is a small piece of legislation was put into
Speaker 4: the COVID Relief Act, in this case by Marco Rubio,
Speaker 4: who was the chairman of the Intel Committee of the Senate,
Speaker 4: one of the most important committees of Congress. Never been
Speaker 4: a piece of legislation ever, it was small. Primarily it
Speaker 4: asked for a report back from the Congress by June
Speaker 4: twenty five of twenty twenty one, which got a lot
Speaker 4: of interest and attention as well as a public statement,
Speaker 4: and that generated a lot of media and from that
Speaker 4: point on we have been marching towards disclosure in a
Speaker 4: way that is still taking too long. And so in
Speaker 4: each successive year there's been three more bills, more piece
Speaker 4: of legislation. The next three were all part of the
Speaker 4: National Defense Authorization Act, which is an extremely important act
Speaker 4: which has to be passed, and so holding up the
Speaker 4: Act over any section of it would be risky, and
Speaker 4: just putting it in the National Defense Authorization Act is
Speaker 4: kind of giving it a lot of gravitas. It could
Speaker 4: have made it a separate bill, the UFO Bill or
Speaker 4: whatever the hell, but no. So this is serious. And
Speaker 4: of course the Senate Intel Committee, members of the committee
Speaker 4: were involved in sponsoring every single one of those bills.
Speaker 4: And while this is happening, you have developments taking place
Speaker 4: legislatively in the House where certain House members who have
Speaker 4: been either briefed or tipped off or informed that yeah,
Speaker 4: this is all real. I've decided, Hey, we're taking this on.
Speaker 4: And so they have been very public and demanding the truth,
Speaker 4: calling out the government on the truth in Bargo, saying
Speaker 4: there's an extraterrestrial presence here. Culminating at least on the
Speaker 4: House side, with the House Oversight Subcommittee hearing of David Grush,
Speaker 4: the first real hearing since nineteen sixty eight, in which
Speaker 4: he repeated under oath what came out earlier that year
Speaker 4: on June the fifth, while the contact and the Desert
Speaker 4: comps going on. So we're just marching forward, right, And
Speaker 4: of course I'm excited, but events overseas. Events in the
Speaker 4: world are also happening. So the political situation is getting very,
Speaker 4: very wobbly. You've got the development that started in the
Speaker 4: Ukraine not long after the first bill was passed, new
Speaker 4: war and so that's not helping and pandemic issues, I
Speaker 4: should say as well. But nevertheless, despite all of this,
Speaker 4: one piece of legislation after another, each one bigger than
Speaker 4: the last. So this is all unprecedented. The hearing of
Speaker 4: Grush in twenty twenty three was unprecedented really in a sense,
Speaker 4: nothing like that has ever happened. The amount of coverage
Speaker 4: blew up. I think eighteen hundred articles I logged in
Speaker 4: last for twenty twenty three, the most ever probably Triage
Speaker 4: from four thousand, probably the total number worldwide after the
Speaker 4: English language, in addition English Foreign language probably five six
Speaker 4: seven thousand articles. So this is enormous coverage. This is
Speaker 4: all great, and then something happens, and it was basically
Speaker 4: triggered by Chuck Schumer and that bill. When Chuck Schumer
Speaker 4: made the decision to respond to what Grush had done
Speaker 4: coming forward with that testimony, which was a real problem.
Speaker 4: It was not supposed to happen. It is not what
Speaker 4: I think the Intel Committee wanted or anybody wanted. Really,
Speaker 4: but it is something.
Speaker 3: You wanted, we wanted, we wanted it, yeah.
Speaker 4: I say, anybody in government wanted. Yeah. Yeah, But he
Speaker 4: had to do it, and he did it. And so
Speaker 4: the moment that he gives that interview to Culthar and
Speaker 4: reinforced of course by the under oath testimony, he has
Speaker 4: dis created a big problem for the Senate Intel Committee,
Speaker 4: the White House, and the Department of Defense. Big problem.
Speaker 4: What do you do with that? In an authoritarian state?
Speaker 4: He would accidentally fall off his balcony. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 4: not how we roll. They took time. He announces it
Speaker 4: in the fourteenth in July twenty twenty seven, it goes
Speaker 4: up on the website for everybody to read worldwide, everybody
Speaker 4: in the world, and go read that law, that bill,
Speaker 4: about sixty three pages and very quickly to recap what
Speaker 4: was so important about that bill. What was so important
Speaker 4: is that basically it was the final piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 4: It was the final package. It was the entire necessary
Speaker 4: legislation to bring out from the classified world everything that
Speaker 4: the government has and knows, documents, files, whatever, the entire
Speaker 4: amount through a process of review where things will be
Speaker 4: moved forward or held back for a while with declaration
Speaker 4: and then come back again until everything eventually walks this
Speaker 4: way all the way to the National Archives, and of
Speaker 4: course is viewed and known by.
Speaker 3: The entire world.
Speaker 4: On the process, the whole thing, including the powers that
Speaker 4: would be needed to make sure that it would happen,
Speaker 4: as opposed to some people in some underground facilities saying,
Speaker 4: first of all, you don't even know where we are,
Speaker 4: and second of all, we could care less what you
Speaker 4: want and you're not going to get jack from us. No, No,
Speaker 4: that would not happen.
Speaker 3: This is the subpoena power stuff, right.
Speaker 4: The subpoena power, the high classification levels, alternate classifications level,
Speaker 4: the Presidential Review Board, and of course eminent domain, which
Speaker 4: gives them the ability to then go after and look
Speaker 4: at and examine for possible taking in a domain of
Speaker 4: projects like that. And so it had it all.
Speaker 2: It was it.
Speaker 4: He was basically saying to the world, now it's time
Speaker 4: to get this done. We're going to pass this bill
Speaker 4: and right away that process gets to get underway. It
Speaker 4: also indicated that the process would be advanced, meaning it
Speaker 4: would start immediately for anything twenty five years or older,
Speaker 4: which includes a lot of very interesting things. So this
Speaker 4: is like a bomb dropped into the middle of the
Speaker 4: truth in Bargo. Well, there's always going to be until
Speaker 4: we have it, disclosure resistance. There's always going to be
Speaker 4: those opposed to it for various reasons. Some of them
Speaker 4: are hardcore national security reasons. That's their belief. They believe
Speaker 4: it absolutely cannot come out. Others may have more self
Speaker 4: serving reasons. We know the defense contractors clearly have a
Speaker 4: dusted stake and how it happens and so forth, because
Speaker 4: they plan to make a lot of money. But overall,
Speaker 4: as you say, as I've said, we've been marching steadily
Speaker 4: since twenty seventeen, and what Schumer did basically crossed the line.
Speaker 4: Those that do not want this to happen realize that
Speaker 4: they had to do something, or it was done. It
Speaker 4: was over, that bill passed, it's over, and so they
Speaker 4: made the decision, Okay, we're going to take a shot
Speaker 4: at this. We're going to try to stop it, or
Speaker 4: we're going to see if we can staunch this thing,
Speaker 4: maybe put it off another ten years or at least
Speaker 4: until I retire or maybe dead or whatever. I just
Speaker 4: don't want to have to face the post disclosure world
Speaker 4: as a member of the US government. And so so
Speaker 4: that did it, and they made their move. And fortunately
Speaker 4: for us, this is not nineteen sixty nine, and so
Speaker 4: what everything they were doing was pretty obvious. Everybody knew it.
Speaker 4: That Internet knew it. We all discussed it, we all
Speaker 4: parsed it, spread it, spread it around.
Speaker 3: I told it right there, Steve. We're gonna have to
Speaker 3: take a quick break, and when we come back, we're
Speaker 3: going to ask Steve, what happened to this promising bill.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I'm talking
Speaker 3: to Steve Bassett and we were just talking about this
Speaker 3: bill that Schumer put together about the UAP Disclosure Act. Steve,
Speaker 3: what happened in December to this act that was so
Speaker 3: well designed for what we want?
Speaker 4: What happened is that they had to go after the bill,
Speaker 4: and so they did. They went after the bill to
Speaker 4: try to gut the powers least, and.
Speaker 3: They took those big four provisions that you said were
Speaker 3: so important right out of the bill. Right.
Speaker 4: I think they'd love to get the whole bill, but
Speaker 4: that may have been overreaching. And so essentially they set
Speaker 4: people up on the hill to talk to individuals on
Speaker 4: the hill who have a lot of power, who care
Speaker 4: what the defense contractors think about them, and care about
Speaker 4: what kinds of funding they get from people like that
Speaker 4: and whatever reason. And these people had power pretty well known.
Speaker 4: It was Rogers, Turner and McConnell that had the power
Speaker 4: to take some of those conferent compereaes to dinner. So
Speaker 4: you take them to dinner and overwhined to kind of
Speaker 4: suggest to them, yeah, that those powers have got to go.
Speaker 4: And if you want to if you want to be
Speaker 4: appointed to a committee that's worth worth a nickel, you're
Speaker 4: going to do that. Or if you want my support
Speaker 4: for your next campaign, you're going to do that. And
Speaker 4: so that's what happened.
Speaker 3: So they gutted this bill. They took all the teeth
Speaker 3: out of it. Now it seems to me like, why
Speaker 3: would they do that. If this is not real and
Speaker 3: this is not true, why take it out. You know,
Speaker 3: they gave me an apartment complex lease and said, hey,
Speaker 3: you're not allowed to have leprechaun technology, and if you do,
Speaker 3: we get to own it. I'd say, fine, there's no
Speaker 3: leprechauns anyway, so go ahead.
Speaker 4: Well that's that's why the whole thing is so desperate.
Speaker 4: See when Grush said we had non human tech, non
Speaker 4: human bodies, that's kind of that's Roswell, that's the whole enchilada,
Speaker 4: but he's not the president. And then when he says
Speaker 4: it again under oath, that's a big deal. And then
Speaker 4: when Schumer comes out and puts that amendment in for
Speaker 4: eminent domain, he's basically confirming, yeah, we have non human tech,
Speaker 4: non human bodies. Otherwise eminent domain is pointless. And then
Speaker 4: when the defense contractors have to go and gut the
Speaker 4: powers of the bill because they don't want to have
Speaker 4: to deal with eminent domain, they have just acknowledged.
Speaker 3: So me to all, we just said non human. It's
Speaker 3: an interesting thing that you absolutely noted. I heard you
Speaker 3: say one time that you looked at the revision of
Speaker 3: the bill and they actually had the word non human
Speaker 3: in the original bill twenty five times I think. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: revision was down to two.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they got it down as far as they
Speaker 4: could get it and not offend humor, who is a
Speaker 4: powerful man. They have validated to anybody that looks at
Speaker 4: this and knows something that yeah, there's non human tech
Speaker 4: and we don't want to give up them in a domain,
Speaker 4: you know. And then recently Carl Nell went on a
Speaker 4: spoken to conference, a very high level conference in New York.
Speaker 4: This is the Salt Conference, which, by the way, is
Speaker 4: a high end conference that is watched and participated in
Speaker 4: by high end high tech people in technology, computer, also finance.
Speaker 4: These are high level people. And he lifts his whole resume.
Speaker 4: I mean he's done everything. He's been involved in government
Speaker 4: intelligence work, he's been in contractors, he was part of
Speaker 4: the UAP task force. I mean, he has a huge resume.
Speaker 4: When asked is there a non human presidence here, and
Speaker 4: basically said, yeah, no doubt there has been, and there's
Speaker 4: people in government that know it. Pretty soon, there's not
Speaker 4: going to be anybody out there that hasn't confirmed that
Speaker 4: there's ex presidence except the President of the United States,
Speaker 4: who ultimately is the one that has to do this
Speaker 4: for us to move forward.
Speaker 3: But who do you guess is behind this gutting the bill?
Speaker 3: Is it people in Congress with districts that they don't
Speaker 3: want people poking around like Wright Patterson, Roswell, that kind
Speaker 3: of thing. People from districts with big defense contractors with
Speaker 3: risk losing that well, I think it's just a big thing.
Speaker 3: They don't want to let this out.
Speaker 4: This was driven by the defense contract. The et issue
Speaker 4: is getting well received. I mean, people are getting into
Speaker 4: it and they getting nothing but kudos. And so the
Speaker 4: idea that the ET thing coming out is going to
Speaker 4: hurt Alabama or some state, no no. And the defense
Speaker 4: contractors are based on defending the United States. And even
Speaker 4: if we announce there's an extraterrestrial we're still going to
Speaker 4: have to defend the United States. So they're not going
Speaker 4: to lose any business. It's the defense contractors that could
Speaker 4: have been screwed. Tumor may have just planned on using
Speaker 4: the eminent domain portion as a bargaining chip to keep
Speaker 4: the other powers, but they went after the whole thing.
Speaker 4: But the defense contractors have been studying the science and
Speaker 4: the technology of these craft for seventy years. God knows
Speaker 4: what they've learned. God knows what science they develop, all
Speaker 4: of which is completely classified. And even to the extent
Speaker 4: that the government could use it, they can't use it
Speaker 4: in a public way because that just dis exposes the
Speaker 4: whole thing. And so it's well known that they intend
Speaker 4: to assert some prietary rights here on what they've learned
Speaker 4: and what they've built or anything else. Now, they were
Speaker 4: paid by the government to do it, and so one
Speaker 4: committee to make a case that now the government owns it,
Speaker 4: we have the rights. But on the other hand, they
Speaker 4: got a lot of lawyers, and so we're not talking
Speaker 4: about a little bit of money. We're talking about trillions
Speaker 4: of dollars over a period of years based upon patent
Speaker 4: ownership or rights to some of this et tech anti
Speaker 4: gravitics right there alone. I think that's going to make
Speaker 4: somebody a lot of money. And so from their point
Speaker 4: of view, it was not about national security. It was
Speaker 4: about dollars. Now, there may have been a few members
Speaker 4: of Congress who personally don't want this out has nothing
Speaker 4: to do with money. What happens next, though, it's where
Speaker 4: things get interesting. I just love this. I don't take
Speaker 4: joy and watching the Department of Defense squirm, you know.
Speaker 4: But you know, the point is that after they gutted
Speaker 4: the bill, Schumer then went right back in the Senate
Speaker 4: with Mike Grounds and read into the record that we're
Speaker 4: not done. We're gonna keep at this, we're gonna get
Speaker 4: this right. And they're going, oh, crimingy, I mean, chuck,
Speaker 4: I mean you lay down, man, I mean come on,
Speaker 4: you gotta do this again. And as a result, they
Speaker 4: needed to take another measure where they almost outdid themselves
Speaker 4: in desperation. And when Schumer goes back into the Senate
Speaker 4: and makes it clear that he's not done, he's gonna
Speaker 4: he's gonna get he's gonna they're gonna come back on
Speaker 4: that bill. I think it dawned on the opponents of disclosure, everyone,
Speaker 4: including obviously the defense contractors, that wait a minute, we
Speaker 4: may have made a bad chess move and set ourselves
Speaker 4: up for mate. And there were two things. One they realized,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, the way legislation works, Yeah, you can
Speaker 4: you can put up you can put a bill into
Speaker 4: the National Defense Authorization Actor. You can just submit it
Speaker 4: as a standalone bill into the Senate, right and given
Speaker 4: everything that's happened, the Senate will pass it. And so
Speaker 4: now you've got a standalone bill that's not dependent on
Speaker 4: passing anything else. It's going to then get passed over
Speaker 4: to the House, and then the House will have to
Speaker 4: decide what kind of language it wants. The idea that
Speaker 4: under that circumstance, the House is going to come up
Speaker 4: with another shredded downplay kind of language. It's going to
Speaker 4: be so obvious, and the defense contractors are going to
Speaker 4: have a major public relations problem. It's going to be awful.
Speaker 4: And they realize he can do it anytime he wants to,
Speaker 4: and the Senate will pass it. Then they remembered something
Speaker 4: that maybe they'd forgotten. The witness has been accumulating and
Speaker 4: coming forward for years. We've got scores of them. They
Speaker 4: can pick and choose from, like, you know, a rather
Speaker 4: a substantial spectrum of witnesses to get just the most
Speaker 4: powerful testimony. And that the Senate Intel Committee can hold
Speaker 4: that here anytime it wants. It doesn't need the permission
Speaker 4: of the defense contractors, it doesn't need the permission of
Speaker 4: anybody in Congress. It just needs the chairman to call it.
Speaker 4: And I guess unless the chairman was somehow removed or
Speaker 4: suddenly disappeared, it might be delayed. But then the next
Speaker 4: person will do it. They can't stop that hearing, and
Speaker 4: that hearing is ballgame, telling that this great truth it's over.
Speaker 3: You know, it almost feels to me, Steve, like this
Speaker 3: is a microscopic version of disclosure. The fact that they
Speaker 3: even wrote such a bill. We have a bill on
Speaker 3: the floor of Congress called the UAP Disclosure Act. I
Speaker 3: think that's incredible progress.
Speaker 4: The witnesses that I know are going to that will testify,
Speaker 4: will be like twenty brushes essentially covering a range of evidence.
Speaker 4: It'll just be overwhelming. And that's it, and that's disclosure.
Speaker 4: And they can't stop it now. Now they really panicked
Speaker 4: and they pulled dumpthing up that I know, I understand,
Speaker 4: gutting the bill. That's kind of like fair play. They're doing.
Speaker 4: They're using the system. They're doing what you can do.
Speaker 4: They change the bill happens all the time. What they
Speaker 4: did next is intexcusable and disgraceful. I'll after the break,
Speaker 4: I'll definitely go into that. But that's the next big story.
Speaker 3: It took place, all right, we'll pick that up on
Speaker 3: the other side when we come back with Steve Bassett
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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond contact with Steve Bassett. Steve,
Speaker 3: why don't you pick up what you were saying there
Speaker 3: about this bill.
Speaker 4: What they did is say, let's take a tip from
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty nine when we had the Condon Report come out.
Speaker 4: Doctor Condon signed off on at University Colorado, nice academic
Speaker 4: basically saying there's really nothing that this phenomenon the evidence
Speaker 4: is not there. I don't see any reason why we
Speaker 4: should pursue this. The government said thank you and shut
Speaker 4: down Project Blue Book and then went after Nightcap, destroyed
Speaker 4: Nightcap and they took a vacation. So we're good for
Speaker 4: a while. This was a lot.
Speaker 3: You think that's what they're doing right now with Arrow,
Speaker 3: because Arrow basically came out and said the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: Here we are fifty years later.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what they tried to do. And I don't
Speaker 4: know who the hell came up with this idea. And
Speaker 4: so in this case, they replaced Condon with doctor Sean Kirkpatrick,
Speaker 4: who was in a terrible position while he was heading
Speaker 4: of Arrow, and when Grush came out it only got worse.
Speaker 4: It was awful for him. He finally said, I can't
Speaker 4: take this anymore. I'm quitting. By the way, he also
Speaker 4: attacked Grush as a way to kind of deflect that
Speaker 4: from him, because he knew that they were going to
Speaker 4: be coming to him and he was not a position
Speaker 4: to answer them. So he's had it. He's resigning, but
Speaker 4: he hasn't left yet. They go to him, they say, look,
Speaker 4: here's the study you're doing. We're going to flesh this out.
Speaker 4: Whatever this study is going to show, there's really nothing
Speaker 4: to this, you're going to sign it. You're going to
Speaker 4: be the doctor Edward Connon of the twenty first century.
Speaker 4: And then the whole thing can shut down. And so
Speaker 4: they actually publish this study, which is an absolute disgrace.
Speaker 4: It is so pathetic. The DoD surely is more mature
Speaker 4: and worthy of something better than this. It was awful.
Speaker 4: And I feel bad for doctor Kirkpatrick because unless he
Speaker 4: does a one pint eighty and comes back at it
Speaker 4: and says, wait a minute, this isn't right. I need
Speaker 4: to readdress this, he's going to live with this this
Speaker 4: rest of his life.
Speaker 3: And so he was designed as a propaganda machine just
Speaker 3: from day one. They never even intended to have no no.
Speaker 3: I would think they wouldn't put anybody of any knowledge
Speaker 3: on this subject on that committee or in the organization
Speaker 3: at all. Anyway, they're putting peop out there that probably
Speaker 3: don't have access to this.
Speaker 4: Well, well, well, remember Ron, the fundamental message I've been
Speaker 4: putting out on podcast after podcasts for two years is this.
Speaker 4: And Nel said it when he said they've known about this.
Speaker 4: Government knows all about the et issue. They've misstudying forever.
Speaker 4: They've got all kinds of information. They know what's going on.
Speaker 4: All this process, the legislation, setting up, the Arrow briefings
Speaker 4: and everything else, all of this is not about finding
Speaker 4: out about it, not at all. Right, Kirkpatrick did not
Speaker 4: take over Arrow so that he could go find out
Speaker 4: what the phenomenon is about. No, whether he understood that
Speaker 4: it remains to be seen. It is about getting everything
Speaker 4: in place so when the President does come forward and disclose,
Speaker 4: we can deal with what happens the next day. In
Speaker 4: other words, is to prepare for the disclosure event, not
Speaker 4: to find it out. And once you understand that, you
Speaker 4: understand that, like Arrow is totally legitimate, we needed that
Speaker 4: once the president announces the et presidents, we need an
Speaker 4: organization already set up and funded and prepared to deal
Speaker 4: with all that comes next.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard you say that before. But don't you
Speaker 3: think that this organization has been completely discredited at least
Speaker 3: from this community already. Why would we now suddenly go, oh,
Speaker 3: that's the place to take stuff.
Speaker 4: Well, let me put it this way. Look, yeah, this
Speaker 4: is a terrible thing that Dood did. They've disgraced Arrow,
Speaker 4: they've embarrassed themselves. And it may be that because this
Speaker 4: is we're going to get disclosure. It's only a matter
Speaker 4: of time.
Speaker 3: That's for you and I differ. It's the matter of time.
Speaker 3: I think you're weeks, months, or years, and I'm decades,
Speaker 3: centuries and millenniums.
Speaker 4: You're telling me, Ron, Hey, I was having a great
Speaker 4: day until you said that. Okay, No, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 4: I assure you. When it finally comes, I'm going to
Speaker 4: be relentless. I'm going to torch you. The point is
Speaker 4: is that it's evitable they've got to get this done,
Speaker 4: and this was a last ditch effort. It was probably
Speaker 4: the last arrow they've gotten the quiver. I don't know
Speaker 4: what else they could come up with. It's already been shredded.
Speaker 4: This report has been utterly shredded. And since that report,
Speaker 4: like Nolan and Carl Nell have gone in front of
Speaker 4: your audience said no, they've been here for a while.
Speaker 4: And so it was a huge mistake. And it may
Speaker 4: be that because of this, Errow will have to be
Speaker 4: renamed again with the EWAP group that they're representing is
Speaker 4: going to have to get another name. And I like
Speaker 4: this name. I thought it was pretty good, But I do.
Speaker 3: Think that they will probably come up with another organization
Speaker 3: because I don't think anyone has any faith in this one.
Speaker 3: So if if we do get any of this disclosure,
Speaker 3: they're going to have to come out with a new
Speaker 3: reputable place to put this information.
Speaker 4: Well, essentially, Arrow is simply a name for people doing something,
Speaker 4: and so they don't have to change that.
Speaker 3: Or people doing nothing.
Speaker 4: More accurately, are doing nothing until disclosure, So all I'd
Speaker 4: have to do is just change the name. Beyond that,
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's necessary. It's not that. It's
Speaker 4: not like there's a giant Arrow building somewhere. So again,
Speaker 4: this is where things are now. I should add this
Speaker 4: is the cherry on top of the Sunday for those
Speaker 4: that were thinking, well, you know, no, Schumer hasn't rein
Speaker 4: reduced the bill yet, and Sherman hasn't called the hearing yet,
Speaker 4: and and there's a campaign coming up, and god knows
Speaker 4: what will happen, and and and maybe we can push
Speaker 4: this embargo another couple of years. And then Robert Garcia
Speaker 4: in the house walks in, walks into the ouse floor
Speaker 4: and reintroduces the UAP disclosure bill, the original.
Speaker 3: Or not the gutted one, the original.
Speaker 4: The original one. Basically he didn't have to do it
Speaker 4: all because some of that is still in the bill
Speaker 4: that was passed and he reintroduces into the House. So
Speaker 4: the whole thing is going to start again. And and
Speaker 4: I don't know what the guys over the Pentagon are
Speaker 4: going to do. I'm sure they're thinking, what can we do?
Speaker 4: What can we do? Well, we could start at nuclear
Speaker 4: war first.
Speaker 3: There's a legitimate chance of that passing. With those four
Speaker 3: tenant staples in the bill, it's.
Speaker 4: Less about it passing. Then it adds even more pressure
Speaker 4: on Mark Warner to decide, Look, this is not political,
Speaker 4: this is nonpartisan. It's being a dress in a bipartisan way.
Speaker 4: Thank god for that, And go ahead and call the
Speaker 4: hearing that he has got to call. That's what it's about.
Speaker 4: I mean as far as near term. But if he doesn't,
Speaker 4: then will the bill pass? As he is down the line,
Speaker 4: I have no idea. I don't know where this country's
Speaker 4: going to be by the end of the year. Frankly,
Speaker 4: I have no idea. I can only now look a
Speaker 4: couple of months ahead, because things are so weird, so scary,
Speaker 4: that looking beyond sixty days, I break out in hides.
Speaker 3: Steve, Okay, let's say that they actually do pass this
Speaker 3: bill somehow someway with all the meat in there that
Speaker 3: we needed. Do you think that it's really going to
Speaker 3: still come out? I feel like I cannot imagine that
Speaker 3: somewhere deep in our government they have this type of technology,
Speaker 3: and they do have recovered craft. Why would they come
Speaker 3: out with it? Even if the full Act eventually does pass.
Speaker 3: I think the real good stuff would somehow still be
Speaker 3: buried enough behind some sort of the pay wall somewhere
Speaker 3: that it would stay hidden.
Speaker 4: What do you think Probably no bill ever passed will
Speaker 4: get more attention worldwide than this bill thanks to the
Speaker 4: Internet and all of the social media. TIC TAC followers
Speaker 4: with sixty million subscribers or TIC tech influencers sixty million
Speaker 4: subscribers one hundred million. There is a guy out there
Speaker 4: called the Beast has two hundred and seventy three million.
Speaker 4: It's going to go around the world. Everybody's going to
Speaker 4: know about it. So that's a big problem for those
Speaker 4: inside that are going right not giving this up. It's
Speaker 4: not all going to come out at once. Disclosure plan
Speaker 4: as described in the bill is the process why which
Speaker 4: it will all happen. But some things will come out sooner,
Speaker 4: some things will be delayed. And where the tech, the
Speaker 4: non human tech is at the forefront of this whole process.
Speaker 4: Thanks to David Grush, it's right there. It's in the
Speaker 4: front car when the process is formally signed and therefore
Speaker 4: in play with powers, subpoena power. A lot of people
Speaker 4: in this world, in our country, a lot of politicians,
Speaker 4: and they're already doing it. They're going to be saying, look,
Speaker 4: we want to see the tech now.
Speaker 3: We all do. Okay, all right, Steve, let's stop there.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we're going to talk to Steve
Speaker 3: about even if this does pass, will we really even
Speaker 3: get to the information that we all really want to know.
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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I'm
Speaker 3: talking to Steve Bassett. Steve, You've laid out a great
Speaker 3: case already. I see what you're saying, and I see
Speaker 3: the progress we've made. We've done things that I didn't
Speaker 3: think would happen. However, I have to be honest with you, Steve.
Speaker 3: I sitting here today talking to you feel more than
Speaker 3: ever if our government does indeed have non human craft
Speaker 3: and or bodies, why would they disclose this. I cannot
Speaker 3: think of any reason to do so, but I could
Speaker 3: think of a thousand reasons not to. So I still
Speaker 3: think it will get blocked.
Speaker 4: Based upon the bill that was going to be signed.
Speaker 4: It will be signed. Eventually, they'll go to jail, they
Speaker 4: will be subpoena, they will join Steve Bannon. They will
Speaker 4: lose jobs, they will lose a man.
Speaker 3: You say that, But if you believe that they have
Speaker 3: these things, don't you also believe that they would have
Speaker 3: a way to bury this deep in black budget projects
Speaker 3: and the special access projects that we can't get to.
Speaker 4: They're already in special access project.
Speaker 3: Okay, well then I just don't see how we're going
Speaker 3: to be able to uncover.
Speaker 4: That because the language of the bill penetrates that. In
Speaker 4: other words, one of the language of the bill says
Speaker 4: that the Presidential UAP panel right exposure Panel, and the
Speaker 4: clearance is provided to those that group. It's the highest
Speaker 4: level clearance, meaning I got com problem.
Speaker 3: Doesn't that walk up against the way the special access
Speaker 3: projects work where they are allowed to be outside of
Speaker 3: the system. So the system says we're allowed to access everything,
Speaker 3: but the special access project says you're not allowed to
Speaker 3: access this. There's a conflict there.
Speaker 4: The unacknowledged special access programs means you're not supposed to
Speaker 4: under the standard protocols acknowledge that you even have it.
Speaker 4: Does that mean it is an independent state?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: Does that mean the president can go get them? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: The president can crack them open and the other thing is, look,
Speaker 4: this is a big deal that's going to be happening,
Speaker 4: and there's a whole lot of people involved. And so
Speaker 4: there may be some people in some of these programs
Speaker 4: they're saying we cannot, we cannot do this, we cannot
Speaker 4: do this. There's going to be plenty of people say, hey,
Speaker 4: no problem, that's the law, that's what they want. We're
Speaker 4: going to cooperate. The idea that the entire complex of
Speaker 4: individuals working on this are all going to come together
Speaker 4: and say we're going to hold this underground and we're
Speaker 4: not going to open that door until they blow it up. No,
Speaker 4: you're going to have plenty of people more than willing
Speaker 4: to cooperate, and only a couple of them have to
Speaker 4: be hauled in front of a congressional committee and charged
Speaker 4: with crimes for not obeying a subpoena before the rest are.
Speaker 3: Going to go.
Speaker 4: Uh. I'm not throwing my career away. I'm not throwing
Speaker 4: my legacy away for a policy that is basically over.
Speaker 4: I think that you'll find that the vast majority of
Speaker 4: people working in these unacknowledged special access programs, on this tech,
Speaker 4: on this phenomena are good patriots, good people, and they
Speaker 4: want what's best for the country.
Speaker 3: I agree with that law. So what do you think
Speaker 3: the reason, other than being mandated by Congress, which hopefully
Speaker 3: would pass and hopefully would have some effect, what would
Speaker 3: be the reason for our government to disclose?
Speaker 4: Because enough people have figured out that this embargo, this
Speaker 4: truth embargo, is doing tremendous damage to the United States.
Speaker 4: It is undermining trusting government along with other things, to
Speaker 4: the point where people are predicting revolution. The institutions are dysfunctional.
Speaker 3: You bring that down to this issue, I don't. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people would feel differently that that's
Speaker 3: not the reason that stuff's breaking down because this issue,
Speaker 3: this feels outside of that, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: No, it's not the issue. It is the massive lie.
Speaker 4: The presence of ETS is not what's breaking the trust,
Speaker 4: just the fact that government has systemically lied about it
Speaker 4: for seventy seven years, while millions of people more every
Speaker 4: year realized, no, it's a lie, it's not true. And
Speaker 4: so when you've got a government line that systemically, unless
Speaker 4: you're a dictatorship, which didn't matter, but in a democratic
Speaker 4: system like this, people will go, yeah, you'll lie about this,
Speaker 4: You'll lie about anything, and this is not just at
Speaker 4: once online I lie about this, and this this happened.
Speaker 4: They have to lie every single day. It has also
Speaker 4: helped metastasize the entire world of classification and secrecy to
Speaker 4: the point that it's ridiculous. It's off the charts. And
Speaker 4: while it's not discussed much politically in campaigns because it's
Speaker 4: one of those third rails, a lot of people know
Speaker 4: that we have a huge problem.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's true. The just they classify things that are
Speaker 3: so inconsequential and they redact everything, and it really is
Speaker 3: not something that needs to be classific Well.
Speaker 4: It's just not the way a democracy should work. So
Speaker 4: we have gone overboard in a lot of areas and
Speaker 4: the effects of that total cumulative effects is that we're
Speaker 4: seeing a breakdown in American institutions, trust in government, the
Speaker 4: political system. Ending this lie, telling that this great truth
Speaker 4: providing an opportunity to the entire human race and the
Speaker 4: American people to look at the world in a different way.
Speaker 4: A lot of people have concluded that that is in
Speaker 4: fact in our best interest and surpasses whatever reasons existed
Speaker 4: for the beginning of this truth embargo and its maintenance
Speaker 4: up until the last decade. In other words, nothing lasts forever,
Speaker 4: and this can't last forever, and so that those are
Speaker 4: the reasons. But they're not straightforward, right, they're not straightforward.
Speaker 4: It's easy to talk about the defense contractors. We just
Speaker 4: want to make a lot of money, right, and anything
Speaker 4: that's going to hurt our chance to do that, we're
Speaker 4: going to suppress. I can make the case that disclosure
Speaker 4: ultimately will lead to them making a lot of money.
Speaker 4: Some things may be declared under eminent domain, but then
Speaker 4: the government will probably come back and joint venture with them.
Speaker 4: Other things they'll be allowed to keep, and so they're
Speaker 4: going to make a ton of money. So frankly, if
Speaker 4: I'm a defense contractor, I want disclosure, right, But you
Speaker 4: know I'm not a defense contractor, and so I don't know.
Speaker 4: But if you listen to the internet, you watch the
Speaker 4: media and how it's coverage, it's clear that the world's
Speaker 4: people and the journalist they want this.
Speaker 3: No doubt, we all want this. Of course, all of
Speaker 3: us in this community and the whole world actually would
Speaker 3: I can't imagine anybody not being interested in this if
Speaker 3: in fact it's all true. Steve, in addition to your
Speaker 3: amazing work, fighting for disclosure. You single handedly track most
Speaker 3: of the articles written in the mainstream media on this subject.
Speaker 3: I think you've amassed how many fifteen thousand on your website.
Speaker 4: It's just one of the things I chose to do.
Speaker 4: I'm following the media, and I'm linking to the articles
Speaker 4: that are from professional press.
Speaker 3: Media. We're talking about we're not talking about.
Speaker 4: Amazing media, absolutely, And it's remarkable how much coverage there is.
Speaker 4: And most people would know that. Who's got time to
Speaker 4: read fifteen thousand articles? If you go and yeah, the
Speaker 4: archive is under resources at Paradigm Research Group dot org
Speaker 4: Print Media Archive. I'm going to start promoting it much
Speaker 4: more heavily soon. I've got hundreds more that I have
Speaker 4: to load up. It shows that this has been covered,
Speaker 4: the world has been hearing about this and so forth.
Speaker 4: So that's one of the things I do. Plenty of
Speaker 4: institutions and people in government and in business and certainly
Speaker 4: in Hollywood pretty much have figured out that it's almost
Speaker 4: over and they are starting to make their moves. And
Speaker 4: these moves are primarily directed at what the post disclosure world,
Speaker 4: what's going to be going on then, and how can
Speaker 4: we get involved? And so think tanks are forming primarily
Speaker 4: about the post disclosure world. Some of their activities may
Speaker 4: help the disclosure process still underway, but pretty much it's
Speaker 4: all about that new Paradigm Institute New Paradigm Institute dot org.
Speaker 4: It is very substantial and it is created to deal
Speaker 4: fundamentally with the post disclosure world.
Speaker 3: This result Danny Shehan is behind right.
Speaker 4: That's Danny She's now Gary Nolan and group and his
Speaker 4: group formed the Soul Foundation. This is a think tank
Speaker 4: of science.
Speaker 3: Think tank.
Speaker 4: Why is it being formed. It's about the post disclosure world,
Speaker 4: the science it's going to be possible in the post
Speaker 4: disclosure world. And then you've got the UFO Disclosure Fund
Speaker 4: that just got formed. That is a fund about the
Speaker 4: post disclosure world that is going to be used to
Speaker 4: convert it into a small think tank to deal with
Speaker 4: the post disclosure world. Hollywood has got projects in the
Speaker 4: works all over anticipating this, and Hollywood Disclosure Alliance dot
Speaker 4: org was created to help the content in the post
Speaker 4: disclosure world. This is just a taste of what's coming.
Speaker 4: Pay attention. The world is going to change in a
Speaker 4: way unseen in human history in terms of the scope
Speaker 4: and the rapidity of change. The worldview of more people
Speaker 4: is going to be altered in the fastest amount of time.
Speaker 4: Nothing compares to it. And the best way to think
Speaker 4: about it is like a scientific paradigm shift. And the
Speaker 4: scientific paradigm shift is where we suddenly make a leap
Speaker 4: forward an understanding so profound that it now makes it possible.
Speaker 4: But take that new understanding, go back and visit a
Speaker 4: whole range of scientific issues that we could not deal
Speaker 4: with before. Suddenly we can solve those problems, thus creating
Speaker 4: a huge leap forward.
Speaker 3: Well put, I really really hope that I am wrong,
Speaker 3: and I want him to come up to me and
Speaker 3: say I told you so. Jack asked, Listen, go to
Speaker 3: Paradigm Researchgroup dot org. It's an excellent resource. I really
Speaker 3: appreciate Steve's efforts in documenting and cataloging all of these
Speaker 3: media reports. It's an excellent place to go. Check it out. Steve,
Speaker 3: yes or no question. Will we be living in a
Speaker 3: post disclosure world next Contact in the desert?
Speaker 4: I think it's more likely than that.
Speaker 3: This is where we diverge, my friend. Either way, I
Speaker 3: will see you at Contact next year. Thank you to
Speaker 3: everyone for listening to Beyond Contact. We will be back
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