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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from

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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I am Captain Ron, and today

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Speaker 3: I'll be speaking with Stephen Bassett. Steve's the executive director

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Speaker 3: of the Paradigm Research Group, which he founded back in

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety six to end the government imposed embargo on

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Speaker 3: the truth behind extraterrestrial related phenomenon. It was then that

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Speaker 3: he became a registered lobbyist for the UAP subject, although

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Speaker 3: in practice it was really more about lobbying the media

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Speaker 3: than Congress itself. Steve's been advocating hard for disclosure from

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Speaker 3: our government for over twenty eight years now, and I

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Speaker 3: do not know of anyone who's more knowledgeable on this

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Speaker 3: subject than him.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, buddy, I'm doing fine.

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Speaker 3: Ron.

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Speaker 4: I'm recovering from the CIITD.

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Speaker 3: It does kind of have a two week hangover, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: It takes y it does it's and in this case,

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Speaker 4: I kind of overdid myself.

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Speaker 3: You did, I think you had like eight presentations, an

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Speaker 3: unprecedented number. It was.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how that happened. They just kind

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Speaker 4: of adding up. You know, I want to speak to

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Speaker 4: everybody all the time. So I'm going, okay, I'll do that.

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Speaker 3: I'll do that.

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Speaker 4: Mind I'm running around the hotel grounds. I'm getting coo

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Speaker 4: old for that. Man, I'm going to have to alter

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Speaker 4: my approach.

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Speaker 3: We'll cut you back to seven next year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go to seven.

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Speaker 3: Well. I think that this is a very important topic,

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Speaker 3: realize the progress that's actually been made in Congress, And

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Speaker 3: with Steve's help, I hope to lay that out here.

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Speaker 3: First Off, there's been four bills in Congress in our

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Speaker 3: recent history that actually addressed the UAP issue. I'd like

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Speaker 3: to discuss the latest one here with Steve. A year

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Speaker 3: ago back on June fifth of twenty three, we all

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Speaker 3: sat around and watched David Grosch give his press briefing

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Speaker 3: and beings. And then just thirty nine days later was

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Speaker 3: when the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer authored the bill

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Speaker 3: called the UAP Disclosure Act. This bill seemed to be

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Speaker 3: exactly what we've been waiting for, and Steve, I bet

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Speaker 4: I blew my mind. You have to have a pretty

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Speaker 4: I say, anybody in government wanted. Yeah. Yeah, But he

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Speaker 4: He would accidentally fall off his balcony. Yeah, but that's

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Speaker 3: going to ask Steve, what happened to this promising bill.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I'm talking

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Speaker 4: This was driven by the defense contract. The et issue

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Speaker 4: But you know, the point is that after they gutted

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Speaker 3: You know, it almost feels to me, Steve, like this

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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond contact with Steve Bassett. Steve,

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Speaker 3: why don't you pick up what you were saying there

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Speaker 3: about this bill.

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Speaker 4: What they did is say, let's take a tip from

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Speaker 4: nineteen sixty nine when we had the Condon Report come out.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Condon signed off on at University Colorado, nice academic

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Speaker 4: basically saying there's really nothing that this phenomenon the evidence

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Speaker 4: is not there. I don't see any reason why we

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Speaker 4: should pursue this. The government said thank you and shut

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Speaker 4: down Project Blue Book and then went after Nightcap, destroyed

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Speaker 4: Nightcap and they took a vacation. So we're good for

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Speaker 4: a while. This was a lot.

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Speaker 3: You think that's what they're doing right now with Arrow,

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Speaker 3: because Arrow basically came out and said the exact same thing.

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Speaker 3: Here we are fifty years later.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what they tried to do. And I don't

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Speaker 4: know who the hell came up with this idea. And

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Speaker 4: so in this case, they replaced Condon with doctor Sean Kirkpatrick,

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Speaker 4: who was in a terrible position while he was heading

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Speaker 4: of Arrow, and when Grush came out it only got worse.

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Speaker 4: It was awful for him. He finally said, I can't

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Speaker 4: take this anymore. I'm quitting. By the way, he also

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Speaker 4: attacked Grush as a way to kind of deflect that

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Speaker 4: from him, because he knew that they were going to

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Speaker 4: be coming to him and he was not a position

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Speaker 4: to answer them. So he's had it. He's resigning, but

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Speaker 4: he hasn't left yet. They go to him, they say, look,

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Speaker 4: here's the study you're doing. We're going to flesh this out.

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Speaker 4: Whatever this study is going to show, there's really nothing

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Speaker 4: to this, you're going to sign it. You're going to

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Speaker 4: be the doctor Edward Connon of the twenty first century.

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Speaker 4: And then the whole thing can shut down. And so

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Speaker 4: they actually publish this study, which is an absolute disgrace.

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Speaker 4: It is so pathetic. The DoD surely is more mature

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Speaker 4: and worthy of something better than this. It was awful.

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Speaker 4: And I feel bad for doctor Kirkpatrick because unless he

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Speaker 4: does a one pint eighty and comes back at it

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Speaker 4: and says, wait a minute, this isn't right. I need

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Speaker 4: to readdress this, he's going to live with this this

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Speaker 4: rest of his life.

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Speaker 3: And so he was designed as a propaganda machine just

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Speaker 3: from day one. They never even intended to have no no.

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Speaker 3: I would think they wouldn't put anybody of any knowledge

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Speaker 3: on this subject on that committee or in the organization

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Speaker 3: at all. Anyway, they're putting peop out there that probably

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Speaker 3: don't have access to this.

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Speaker 4: Well, well, well, remember Ron, the fundamental message I've been

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Speaker 4: putting out on podcast after podcasts for two years is this.

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Speaker 4: And Nel said it when he said they've known about this.

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Speaker 4: Government knows all about the et issue. They've misstudying forever.

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Speaker 4: They've got all kinds of information. They know what's going on.

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Speaker 4: All this process, the legislation, setting up, the Arrow briefings

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Speaker 4: and everything else, all of this is not about finding

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Speaker 4: out about it, not at all. Right, Kirkpatrick did not

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Speaker 4: take over Arrow so that he could go find out

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Speaker 4: what the phenomenon is about. No, whether he understood that

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Speaker 4: it remains to be seen. It is about getting everything

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Speaker 4: in place so when the President does come forward and disclose,

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Speaker 4: we can deal with what happens the next day. In

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Speaker 4: other words, is to prepare for the disclosure event, not

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Speaker 4: to find it out. And once you understand that, you

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Speaker 4: understand that, like Arrow is totally legitimate, we needed that

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Speaker 4: once the president announces the et presidents, we need an

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Speaker 4: organization already set up and funded and prepared to deal

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Speaker 4: with all that comes next.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard you say that before. But don't you

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Speaker 3: think that this organization has been completely discredited at least

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Speaker 3: from this community already. Why would we now suddenly go, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's the place to take stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me put it this way. Look, yeah, this

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Speaker 4: is a terrible thing that Dood did. They've disgraced Arrow,

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Speaker 4: they've embarrassed themselves. And it may be that because this

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Speaker 4: is we're going to get disclosure. It's only a matter

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Speaker 4: of time.

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Speaker 3: That's for you and I differ. It's the matter of time.

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Speaker 3: I think you're weeks, months, or years, and I'm decades,

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Speaker 3: centuries and millenniums.

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Speaker 4: You're telling me, Ron, Hey, I was having a great

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Speaker 4: day until you said that. Okay, No, it's okay, it's okay.

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Speaker 4: I assure you. When it finally comes, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: be relentless. I'm going to torch you. The point is

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Speaker 4: is that it's evitable they've got to get this done,

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Speaker 4: and this was a last ditch effort. It was probably

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Speaker 4: the last arrow they've gotten the quiver. I don't know

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Speaker 4: what else they could come up with. It's already been shredded.

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Speaker 4: This report has been utterly shredded. And since that report,

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Speaker 4: like Nolan and Carl Nell have gone in front of

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Speaker 4: your audience said no, they've been here for a while.

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Speaker 4: And so it was a huge mistake. And it may

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Speaker 4: be that because of this, Errow will have to be

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Speaker 4: renamed again with the EWAP group that they're representing is

536
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Speaker 4: going to have to get another name. And I like

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Speaker 4: this name. I thought it was pretty good, But I do.

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Speaker 3: Think that they will probably come up with another organization

539
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Speaker 3: because I don't think anyone has any faith in this one.

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Speaker 3: So if if we do get any of this disclosure,

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Speaker 3: they're going to have to come out with a new

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Speaker 3: reputable place to put this information.

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Speaker 4: Well, essentially, Arrow is simply a name for people doing something,

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Speaker 4: and so they don't have to change that.

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Speaker 3: Or people doing nothing.

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Speaker 4: More accurately, are doing nothing until disclosure, So all I'd

547
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Speaker 4: have to do is just change the name. Beyond that,

548
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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's necessary. It's not that. It's

549
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Speaker 4: not like there's a giant Arrow building somewhere. So again,

550
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Speaker 4: this is where things are now. I should add this

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Speaker 4: is the cherry on top of the Sunday for those

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Speaker 4: that were thinking, well, you know, no, Schumer hasn't rein

553
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Speaker 4: reduced the bill yet, and Sherman hasn't called the hearing yet,

554
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 4: and and there's a campaign coming up, and god knows

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Speaker 4: what will happen, and and and maybe we can push

556
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Speaker 4: this embargo another couple of years. And then Robert Garcia

557
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Speaker 4: in the house walks in, walks into the ouse floor

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Speaker 4: and reintroduces the UAP disclosure bill, the original.

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Speaker 3: Or not the gutted one, the original.

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Speaker 4: The original one. Basically he didn't have to do it

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Speaker 4: all because some of that is still in the bill

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Speaker 4: that was passed and he reintroduces into the House. So

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Speaker 4: the whole thing is going to start again. And and

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the guys over the Pentagon are

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Speaker 4: going to do. I'm sure they're thinking, what can we do?

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Speaker 4: What can we do? Well, we could start at nuclear

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Speaker 4: war first.

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Speaker 3: There's a legitimate chance of that passing. With those four

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Speaker 3: tenant staples in the bill, it's.

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Speaker 4: Less about it passing. Then it adds even more pressure

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Speaker 4: on Mark Warner to decide, Look, this is not political,

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Speaker 4: this is nonpartisan. It's being a dress in a bipartisan way.

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Speaker 4: Thank god for that, And go ahead and call the

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Speaker 4: hearing that he has got to call. That's what it's about.

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Speaker 4: I mean as far as near term. But if he doesn't,

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Speaker 4: then will the bill pass? As he is down the line,

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Speaker 4: I have no idea. I don't know where this country's

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Speaker 4: going to be by the end of the year. Frankly,

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Speaker 4: I have no idea. I can only now look a

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Speaker 4: couple of months ahead, because things are so weird, so scary,

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Speaker 4: that looking beyond sixty days, I break out in hides.

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Speaker 3: Steve, Okay, let's say that they actually do pass this

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Speaker 3: bill somehow someway with all the meat in there that

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Speaker 3: we needed. Do you think that it's really going to

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Speaker 3: still come out? I feel like I cannot imagine that

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Speaker 3: somewhere deep in our government they have this type of technology,

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Speaker 3: and they do have recovered craft. Why would they come

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Speaker 3: out with it? Even if the full Act eventually does pass.

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Speaker 3: I think the real good stuff would somehow still be

590
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Speaker 3: buried enough behind some sort of the pay wall somewhere

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Speaker 3: that it would stay hidden.

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Speaker 4: What do you think Probably no bill ever passed will

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Speaker 4: get more attention worldwide than this bill thanks to the

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Speaker 4: Internet and all of the social media. TIC TAC followers

595
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Speaker 4: with sixty million subscribers or TIC tech influencers sixty million

596
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: subscribers one hundred million. There is a guy out there

597
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Speaker 4: called the Beast has two hundred and seventy three million.

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Speaker 4: It's going to go around the world. Everybody's going to

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Speaker 4: know about it. So that's a big problem for those

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Speaker 4: inside that are going right not giving this up. It's

601
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Speaker 4: not all going to come out at once. Disclosure plan

602
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Speaker 4: as described in the bill is the process why which

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Speaker 4: it will all happen. But some things will come out sooner,

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Speaker 4: some things will be delayed. And where the tech, the

605
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Speaker 4: non human tech is at the forefront of this whole process.

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Speaker 4: Thanks to David Grush, it's right there. It's in the

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Speaker 4: front car when the process is formally signed and therefore

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Speaker 4: in play with powers, subpoena power. A lot of people

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Speaker 4: in this world, in our country, a lot of politicians,

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Speaker 4: and they're already doing it. They're going to be saying, look,

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Speaker 4: we want to see the tech now.

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Speaker 3: We all do. Okay, all right, Steve, let's stop there.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, we're going to talk to Steve

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Speaker 3: about even if this does pass, will we really even

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Speaker 3: get to the information that we all really want to know.

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Speaker 3: We are back on Beyond Contact with Captain Ron. I'm

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Speaker 3: talking to Steve Bassett. Steve, You've laid out a great

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Speaker 3: case already. I see what you're saying, and I see

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Speaker 3: the progress we've made. We've done things that I didn't

653
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Speaker 3: think would happen. However, I have to be honest with you, Steve.

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Speaker 3: I sitting here today talking to you feel more than

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Speaker 3: ever if our government does indeed have non human craft

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Speaker 3: and or bodies, why would they disclose this. I cannot

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Speaker 3: think of any reason to do so, but I could

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Speaker 3: think of a thousand reasons not to. So I still

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Speaker 3: think it will get blocked.

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Speaker 4: Based upon the bill that was going to be signed.

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Speaker 4: It will be signed. Eventually, they'll go to jail, they

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Speaker 4: will be subpoena, they will join Steve Bannon. They will

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Speaker 4: lose jobs, they will lose a man.

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Speaker 3: You say that, But if you believe that they have

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Speaker 3: these things, don't you also believe that they would have

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Speaker 3: a way to bury this deep in black budget projects

667
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Speaker 3: and the special access projects that we can't get to.

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Speaker 4: They're already in special access project.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well then I just don't see how we're going

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Speaker 3: to be able to uncover.

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Speaker 4: That because the language of the bill penetrates that. In

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Speaker 4: other words, one of the language of the bill says

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Speaker 4: that the Presidential UAP panel right exposure Panel, and the

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Speaker 4: clearance is provided to those that group. It's the highest

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Speaker 4: level clearance, meaning I got com problem.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't that walk up against the way the special access

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Speaker 3: projects work where they are allowed to be outside of

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Speaker 3: the system. So the system says we're allowed to access everything,

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Speaker 3: but the special access project says you're not allowed to

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Speaker 3: access this. There's a conflict there.

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Speaker 4: The unacknowledged special access programs means you're not supposed to

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Speaker 4: under the standard protocols acknowledge that you even have it.

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Speaker 4: Does that mean it is an independent state?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: Does that mean the president can go get them? Absolutely?

686
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Speaker 4: The president can crack them open and the other thing is, look,

687
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Speaker 4: this is a big deal that's going to be happening,

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Speaker 4: and there's a whole lot of people involved. And so

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Speaker 4: there may be some people in some of these programs

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Speaker 4: they're saying we cannot, we cannot do this, we cannot

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Speaker 4: do this. There's going to be plenty of people say, hey,

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Speaker 4: no problem, that's the law, that's what they want. We're

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Speaker 4: going to cooperate. The idea that the entire complex of

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Speaker 4: individuals working on this are all going to come together

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Speaker 4: and say we're going to hold this underground and we're

696
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Speaker 4: not going to open that door until they blow it up. No,

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Speaker 4: you're going to have plenty of people more than willing

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Speaker 4: to cooperate, and only a couple of them have to

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Speaker 4: be hauled in front of a congressional committee and charged

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Speaker 4: with crimes for not obeying a subpoena before the rest are.

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Speaker 3: Going to go.

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Speaker 4: Uh. I'm not throwing my career away. I'm not throwing

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Speaker 4: my legacy away for a policy that is basically over.

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Speaker 4: I think that you'll find that the vast majority of

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Speaker 4: people working in these unacknowledged special access programs, on this tech,

706
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Speaker 4: on this phenomena are good patriots, good people, and they

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Speaker 4: want what's best for the country.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that law. So what do you think

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Speaker 3: the reason, other than being mandated by Congress, which hopefully

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Speaker 3: would pass and hopefully would have some effect, what would

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Speaker 3: be the reason for our government to disclose?

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Speaker 4: Because enough people have figured out that this embargo, this

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Speaker 4: truth embargo, is doing tremendous damage to the United States.

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Speaker 4: It is undermining trusting government along with other things, to

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Speaker 4: the point where people are predicting revolution. The institutions are dysfunctional.

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Speaker 3: You bring that down to this issue, I don't. I

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Speaker 3: think a lot of people would feel differently that that's

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Speaker 3: not the reason that stuff's breaking down because this issue,

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Speaker 3: this feels outside of that, doesn't it.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not the issue. It is the massive lie.

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Speaker 4: The presence of ETS is not what's breaking the trust,

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Speaker 4: just the fact that government has systemically lied about it

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Speaker 4: for seventy seven years, while millions of people more every

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Speaker 4: year realized, no, it's a lie, it's not true. And

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Speaker 4: so when you've got a government line that systemically, unless

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Speaker 4: you're a dictatorship, which didn't matter, but in a democratic

727
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 4: system like this, people will go, yeah, you'll lie about this,

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Speaker 4: You'll lie about anything, and this is not just at

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Speaker 4: once online I lie about this, and this this happened.

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Speaker 4: They have to lie every single day. It has also

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Speaker 4: helped metastasize the entire world of classification and secrecy to

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Speaker 4: the point that it's ridiculous. It's off the charts. And

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Speaker 4: while it's not discussed much politically in campaigns because it's

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Speaker 4: one of those third rails, a lot of people know

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Speaker 4: that we have a huge problem.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's true. The just they classify things that are

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Speaker 3: so inconsequential and they redact everything, and it really is

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Speaker 3: not something that needs to be classific Well.

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Speaker 4: It's just not the way a democracy should work. So

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Speaker 4: we have gone overboard in a lot of areas and

741
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Speaker 4: the effects of that total cumulative effects is that we're

742
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Speaker 4: seeing a breakdown in American institutions, trust in government, the

743
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Speaker 4: political system. Ending this lie, telling that this great truth

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00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 4: providing an opportunity to the entire human race and the

745
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Speaker 4: American people to look at the world in a different way.

746
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Speaker 4: A lot of people have concluded that that is in

747
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 4: fact in our best interest and surpasses whatever reasons existed

748
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Speaker 4: for the beginning of this truth embargo and its maintenance

749
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Speaker 4: up until the last decade. In other words, nothing lasts forever,

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Speaker 4: and this can't last forever, and so that those are

751
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Speaker 4: the reasons. But they're not straightforward, right, they're not straightforward.

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Speaker 4: It's easy to talk about the defense contractors. We just

753
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: want to make a lot of money, right, and anything

754
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Speaker 4: that's going to hurt our chance to do that, we're

755
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Speaker 4: going to suppress. I can make the case that disclosure

756
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Speaker 4: ultimately will lead to them making a lot of money.

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Speaker 4: Some things may be declared under eminent domain, but then

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Speaker 4: the government will probably come back and joint venture with them.

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Speaker 4: Other things they'll be allowed to keep, and so they're

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Speaker 4: going to make a ton of money. So frankly, if

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Speaker 4: I'm a defense contractor, I want disclosure, right, But you

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Speaker 4: know I'm not a defense contractor, and so I don't know.

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Speaker 4: But if you listen to the internet, you watch the

764
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Speaker 4: media and how it's coverage, it's clear that the world's

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Speaker 4: people and the journalist they want this.

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Speaker 3: No doubt, we all want this. Of course, all of

767
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Speaker 3: us in this community and the whole world actually would

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine anybody not being interested in this if

769
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Speaker 3: in fact it's all true. Steve, in addition to your

770
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Speaker 3: amazing work, fighting for disclosure. You single handedly track most

771
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Speaker 3: of the articles written in the mainstream media on this subject.

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Speaker 3: I think you've amassed how many fifteen thousand on your website.

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Speaker 4: It's just one of the things I chose to do.

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Speaker 4: I'm following the media, and I'm linking to the articles

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Speaker 4: that are from professional press.

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Speaker 3: Media. We're talking about we're not talking about.

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Speaker 4: Amazing media, absolutely, And it's remarkable how much coverage there is.

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Speaker 4: And most people would know that. Who's got time to

779
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Speaker 4: read fifteen thousand articles? If you go and yeah, the

780
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Speaker 4: archive is under resources at Paradigm Research Group dot org

781
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Speaker 4: Print Media Archive. I'm going to start promoting it much

782
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Speaker 4: more heavily soon. I've got hundreds more that I have

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Speaker 4: to load up. It shows that this has been covered,

784
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Speaker 4: the world has been hearing about this and so forth.

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Speaker 4: So that's one of the things I do. Plenty of

786
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Speaker 4: institutions and people in government and in business and certainly

787
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Speaker 4: in Hollywood pretty much have figured out that it's almost

788
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Speaker 4: over and they are starting to make their moves. And

789
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Speaker 4: these moves are primarily directed at what the post disclosure world,

790
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Speaker 4: what's going to be going on then, and how can

791
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Speaker 4: we get involved? And so think tanks are forming primarily

792
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Speaker 4: about the post disclosure world. Some of their activities may

793
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Speaker 4: help the disclosure process still underway, but pretty much it's

794
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Speaker 4: all about that new Paradigm Institute New Paradigm Institute dot org.

795
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Speaker 4: It is very substantial and it is created to deal

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Speaker 4: fundamentally with the post disclosure world.

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Speaker 3: This result Danny Shehan is behind right.

798
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Speaker 4: That's Danny She's now Gary Nolan and group and his

799
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Speaker 4: group formed the Soul Foundation. This is a think tank

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Speaker 4: of science.

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Speaker 3: Think tank.

802
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Speaker 4: Why is it being formed. It's about the post disclosure world,

803
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Speaker 4: the science it's going to be possible in the post

804
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: disclosure world. And then you've got the UFO Disclosure Fund

805
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 4: that just got formed. That is a fund about the

806
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: post disclosure world that is going to be used to

807
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Speaker 4: convert it into a small think tank to deal with

808
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Speaker 4: the post disclosure world. Hollywood has got projects in the

809
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 4: works all over anticipating this, and Hollywood Disclosure Alliance dot

810
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: org was created to help the content in the post

811
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Speaker 4: disclosure world. This is just a taste of what's coming.

812
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 4: Pay attention. The world is going to change in a

813
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Speaker 4: way unseen in human history in terms of the scope

814
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Speaker 4: and the rapidity of change. The worldview of more people

815
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 4: is going to be altered in the fastest amount of time.

816
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 4: Nothing compares to it. And the best way to think

817
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 4: about it is like a scientific paradigm shift. And the

818
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: scientific paradigm shift is where we suddenly make a leap

819
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 4: forward an understanding so profound that it now makes it possible.

820
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Speaker 4: But take that new understanding, go back and visit a

821
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Speaker 4: whole range of scientific issues that we could not deal

822
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 4: with before. Suddenly we can solve those problems, thus creating

823
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Speaker 4: a huge leap forward.

824
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Speaker 3: Well put, I really really hope that I am wrong,

825
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 3: and I want him to come up to me and

826
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Speaker 3: say I told you so. Jack asked, Listen, go to

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Speaker 3: Paradigm Researchgroup dot org. It's an excellent resource. I really

828
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Speaker 3: appreciate Steve's efforts in documenting and cataloging all of these

829
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: media reports. It's an excellent place to go. Check it out. Steve,

830
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: yes or no question. Will we be living in a

831
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: post disclosure world next Contact in the desert?

832
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Speaker 4: I think it's more likely than that.

833
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Speaker 3: This is where we diverge, my friend. Either way, I

834
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Speaker 3: will see you at Contact next year. Thank you to

835
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Speaker 3: everyone for listening to Beyond Contact. We will be back

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Speaker 3: next week with an all new episode. You can follow

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00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: me Captain Ron on Twitter and Instagram at CD Underscore

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