WEBVTT - What Winning Looks Like 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.280 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:19.560 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks, 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.720 I come to you at a time when the state 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:29.320 of Kentucky is underwater. The images coming out of Kentucky 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:36.600 at the time of this recording are otherworldly devastating. Full 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:39.639 entire homes swept away in the middle of the night 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:45.440 because of their extreme flooding, Bridges wiped away. Hundreds of 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:50.280 people have been airlifted. At the time of this recording, 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:54.840 sixteen people, including children, are dead. The governor has said 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:59.880 that whole families may have perished in this flash flooding 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:04.479 and that there is more rain to come. You take 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.720 in all of these climate crises, because this is what 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:12.120 this is right. This is not just a product of happenstance. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.200 It is not just a regular quote unquote natural disaster. 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.080 It is a product of climate change. It is a 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:24.000 product of climate denial. I think about the state of Kentucky, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:29.400 which has had Mitch McConnell as its senator for at 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.480 least the last forty some odd years. They voted for 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.880 him with fifty eight point seven percent of the vote. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:41.880 A man who has blocked legislation along with the entirety 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.560 of the Republican Party that would actually do something with 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:51.040 regard to climate change that just outright denies it. They 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.960 voted for Donald Trump in twenty twenty sixty two percent, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.919 right at sixty two percent. And I think to myself, 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.760 you know, when we are watching these images and we 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.720 are feeling so bad for these people, which you should. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.320 I think about Jonathan Metzel's book Dying of Whiteness, and 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.800 I think about why these people continue to vote against 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.560 their best interests. Like, you're not fucking winning, right, Remember 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.280 when Donald Trump's big thing would say, Oh, you're sick 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.440 of winning yet, like we're going to be winning so much, 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.040 you're going to be sick of winning. Is this what 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.920 winning looks like. It looks like people who deny reality. 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.720 It looks like people who, in order to line their 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:39.600 pockets with money from big coal and big oil, deny 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.200 their constituents the aid that they need. Because at the 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.840 end of the day, folks, whether or not you know 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.359 you believe in climate change, much in the same way 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.640 of whether or not you believe in COVID, it doesn't 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:54.480 stop it from happening, right, It doesn't stop it from existing, 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.720 and it won't stop it from killing people. Because that's 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.639 the conversation that we weren't having about time. It changes 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.000 the amount of deaths that it's going to cause. From 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.080 the extreme heat episodes that we've seen in this country 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.680 and around the world. Hundreds of people have lost their 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:15.120 lives this summer. Right Tens of thousands of acres of 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.840 land have been burned up, homes have been burned up, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.440 flooded underwater. I mean, this is some when you're looking 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.400 at what is happening right now, and if you are 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:29.000 a person of religion or faith, this is some biblical shit, right, 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.360 Like I'm just out here waiting for the locusts right 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:38.000 between monkey pocks and fucking COVID and these extreme climate 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:42.320 events that keep happening. Between mass shooting, It's like, dear God, 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:45.640 you just feel like every day you're getting up and 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:50.480 you're like bracing for impact. I wrote a piece that 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:55.000 is upright now at Medium entitled Life on the Brink 0:03:55.720 --> 0:04:00.160 because I've been trying to wrap my mind around the 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.480 feeling that I keep having. And I talk about this. 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:04.240 I talk about it on Twitter, I talk about it 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.600 on TikTok, and I talk about it here with all 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.560 of you. You know, in twenty twenty, they coined the 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:15.480 term languishing, right, this feeling of aimlessness, this sluggishness that 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.599 we all had because we were locked inside, and even 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.240 when you know, the doors finally flung open to the outdoors, 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.240 it didn't look the way that it did in twenty nineteen. 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.640 It didn't feel the way that it did. And I 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.400 think for many of us, we thought that we would 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.240 get the vaccine and then we would be able to 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.640 pick up where we left it off, where we left off. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.360 That hasn't happened. Right. There is this this layer, this 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:44.200 feeling of overwhelm, of consistent anxiety coupled with depression. The 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:48.279 New York Times once again coined a term distract depression, right, 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.039 because they're talking about the rise in the use and 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:59.240 the prescriptions of antidepressants, anxiety medication, distraction medication, etc. Well, 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:05.040 there is another term that we now know called ambient stress, 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.880 which is a stress that kind of runs in the 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.960 background of our minds right now, so I wrote about that. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:16.400 Go ahead and check it out at Medium. Coming up 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:20.840 next today, my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner giving 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:24.440 us the latest with the January sixth committee and the 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.760 latest with who is testifying in front of that committee 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.839 and where we think Steve Bannon will end up? Will 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.279 it be thirty days, will it be sixty? Could it 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.520 be up to two years? That and more is coming 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:46.719 up next on WOKEA. Indisputable with Doctor Rashid Ricci is 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.520 one of the latest shows on the TYT network and 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.520 also the fastest growing news show in America. On his show, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.640 Doctor Ricci plays no games regarding policy, delivering a heavy 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.680 dose of fact based truth and penetrating an analysis on 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.000 all the top news stories focusing on racism, criminal and 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:09.120 social justice, politics, police brutality, Karens, and much more. 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Each week on the 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.279 gap Fest, John Dickerson, Emily Bathlon and I decipher the headlines, 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.960 break down the races, and tell you what issues really matter. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.680 We do not always agree, We definitely do not always agree, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.040 but we always deliver thoughtful debate and we always have 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:10.000 a good time. So subscribe to Slates Political Gapfest new 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:14.160 episodes every Thursday. Friends. You know that whenever I have 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.760 the opportunity to chat with the host of Justice Matters 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:24.920 and MSNBC Legal contributor Glenn Kirshner, I am always thrilled. Glenn. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.840 The Department of Justice is doing what I'm referring to 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.200 as a little bit of a two step. They want 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.920 they seem to want to have things both ways at 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.880 this moment, which is we now know, or at least 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.240 we believe that we know that the Department of Justice, 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:47.760 moving at its glacial pace, is in fact investigating people 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:53.200 with regard to the insurrection. The architects are being brought 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.560 before Grand Juries. Right. There's a little distinction that is 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:01.440 being made in the press and with the Department of 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:08.200 Justice We're investigating Donald Trump's actions, but we're not necessarily 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:13.880 investigating Donald Trump. So Glenn, help me make this make 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:19.720 sense in understanding this nuance, this two step that is 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.560 being done in both the press and with the Department 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.400 of Justice. Yeah, in order to really understand this, you 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:29.040 kind of need to be immersed in the details of 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.520 how the grand jury works. But the bottom line is 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:38.560 Donald Trump's conduct, behavior, and crimes are being investigated by 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.040 the grand jury. But here is why some people are 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.720 pushing back and saying, you can't claim the grand jury 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.920 is investigating Donald Trump. So when we go into the 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.680 grand jury. For decades, I spent countless hours and the 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.800 Grand Jury in Washington, DC investigating crime and indicting cases. 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:04.600 We investigate a crime. So, for example, I believe on 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.800 January seventh, the day after the attack on the Capitol, 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.559 federal prosecutors walked into the Grand jury and opened a 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.959 grand jury investigation. And we call it a grand jury 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:22.160 original Why because nobody's been arrested, So it's an original 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.040 investigation that we opened in the grand jury to see 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.480 what the heck just went on up at the Capitol. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.960 Here's what we call that. We will caption it or 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:36.280 name it or title it in ray possible violation of 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:41.079 the Federal Code Section for Insurrection eighteen USC. Twenty three 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.800 eighty one way by make it the number wrong. That's 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:47.720 what we call it in ray. Possible violation of a 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:52.600 federal law. And then we begin investigating. We're not investigating 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:58.440 a person, We're investigating the crime of insurrection. However, as 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.640 you move forward in your investigation and you learn more 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.800 about who was responsible for the insurrection, you begin to 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:12.839 focus on the conduct of the perpetrator or perpetrators. What 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:17.120 we know now Danielle, based on great reporting by Carol 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:22.200 Lenning and others at the Washington Post, is that she 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.480 knows the questions that are being asked in the grand 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:30.400 jury of witnesses like Greg Jacob and Mark Short. Vice 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:35.199 President Pence's high aids right and people should also know 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:40.679 that prosecutors are prohibited from breathing a word of what 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.840 goes on in the grand jury Publicly, we can't even 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:49.840 confirm or deny that anybody has appeared before the grand jury. Investigators, agents, 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.760 detectives are prohibited from breathing a word of it. The 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.160 grand jurors are prohibited from breathing a word of it. 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.440 It's a secret proceeding by law. You know, who's not 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:03.720 prohibited from talking about it? The witnesses. They're not prohibited 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.800 under the rules or the law. We advise every witness. Danielle, 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.520 you know, we would ask you, respect respectfully not to 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.760 talk about what goes on in the grand jury, but 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.280 we cannot prohibit you. So you now know Carol Lennig 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.720 is talking to witnesses like Greg Jacob, Mark Short and 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.640 others because what did she report? And this was blockbuster, 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.800 she said, The prosecutors in the grand jury are asking 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:37.000 the following questions, what did Donald Trump say next? What 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:40.160 did Donald Trump do next? What did Donald Trump then 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:43.520 arrange with his lawyers? What did Donald Trump tell Vice 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.559 President Pence to do? What did Donald Trump? What did 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:51.120 Donald Trump? What are they doing? They're investigating Donald Trump 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:55.040 for the crimes he committed. Now can you say they've 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:59.000 launched a criminal investigation of Donald Trump? Well know, because 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.559 that's not what we all grand jury investigations. We launch 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:07.880 investigations of crime and we investigate those responsible. So as 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.480 I'm sitting here, based on everything I've seen publicly reporting, yes, 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:17.040 Donald Trump's crimes, his behavior, his conduct is being investigated 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:21.880 by a federal grand jury. So let me ask you this, 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.960 and this is a question that I actually watched Amon 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.760 Mohadeen ask our friend Joyce White Vance this week, and 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.000 I want to ask you the same question he asked. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.520 You know, So, we have now been through eight hearings 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.280 with the January sixth Committee. We know that they're not 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.640 finished right there, they're pausing for you for summer as Congress. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:48.440 Does they have done over a thousand interviews, they have 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:54.000 tens of thousands of documents. Does the Department of Justice 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:57.400 just get to be handed over that binder because we 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:02.480 know that they are now cooperating and collaborating right on 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.760 two different tracks, because we know that there are two 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.200 different tracks that are happening. But does the Department of 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:13.400 Justice then have to redo all of that work on 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:19.280 their own or can they work off of what the 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.960 January sixth Committee has already laid out? Great question, and 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.880 it's really it's kind of somewhere right in between those 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.040 two ends of the spectrum. So, first of all, I 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:33.800 am completely confident that the j six Committee will give 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:39.280 over wholesale everything they've developed in their investigation to the 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:45.080 Department of Justice. But I also think Benny Thompson is 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:52.360 entitled to flex his coequal branch of government muscle and say, Okay, DJ, 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.320 we know you want our work product. We've worked very 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.440 hard to put it together and present it to the 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.720 American people. So and by the way, y'all could have 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.680 been doing this from jump as well. But we will 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.280 give it to you at a time and in a 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:14.400 manner that doesn't interfere with our responsibility to present this 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:17.680 in a compelling way to the American people. They're entitled 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.680 to do that. And you know what, if the Department 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.320 of Justice wanted to subpoena those transcripts, they could. They're 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.600 trying to work through the accommodation process and make the 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.360 request and play nicely with a coequal branch of government. 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.920 All of this stuff is probably even going over now 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.600 as we speak, to the extent the J six Committee 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.800 thinks they can give over five hundred of the transcripts 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:44.200 without interfering with the remaining public hearings that they are 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.800 going to want to put on. It's all going to 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.720 go over, so right to your question, the Department of 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.880 Justice will do two things. One, they will hopefully at 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:58.280 light speed, review all thousand transcripts and prioritize, figure out, Okay, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.920 what witnesses are most important to present to the grand 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.800 jury based on what we now know. They told the 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.920 J six Committee, they will bring those witnesses in and 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:09.800 here's what they're gonna do. I promise you, because I've 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.880 done this a thousand times. They will show them their transcript. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.360 They will say, do you agree that everything you said 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.800 before the J six Committee was accurate? Did you make 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:23.440 any mistakes? Is there anything in your J six transcript 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.760 you'd like to correct? And sometimes witnesses misspeak or they've 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.680 learned some additional details in the intim and they want 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.160 to add those, but the witnesses will generally say, yes, 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.920 that my transcript of my testimony is accurate. They will 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.600 then slap a grand jury exhibit sticker on it, and 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:44.320 they will hand it to the grand jury. Done. Now, 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.000 let's move on to the next witness. But if there's 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:52.400 information that the federal prosecutors feel they need to give 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.240 the grand jury to supplement what the witness said at 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.360 the J six Committee hearing, they'll call that witness and 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.120 they'll say, first of all, do you adopt this transcript 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.440 as your testimony before this grand Jury. Yes, I do. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:10.280 Now we have ten twenty one hundred follow up questions 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.000 we'd like to ask you about what you told the 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:17.200 J sixth Committee. So they'll supplement the testimony of that witness, 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.360 and they will quickly move through this witness after witness 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.720 after witness. So the answer is yes, they will use 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.320 that information and give it to the grand jury, but 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:31.880 they'll supplement it as necessary. So it will definitely compress 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.120 the time they need to get all that information before 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:39.920 the grand jury. Oh this is exciting. Like this, this, 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:44.560 I actually feel like we have movement. Why do you think, Glenn, 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:51.240 that it was Pence's people who went I guess first, 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.840 or at least that we know of sat before this 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.160 grand jury? Why do you think it was his people 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:02.600 as opposed to who we have thus far presented via 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:07.760 the J six Committee. Because people like Mark Short and 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:13.040 Greg Jacob are loyal to Mike Pence, and they know 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:18.920 Donald Trump set Mike Pence up to be harmed, indeed 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.800 to be hanged. And we know that Donald Trump expressly, 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:26.199 out of his own mouth, said I agree with my supporters, 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.639 maybe he should be hanged because he didn't have the 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:33.639 courage to corruptly keep me in office. Man. If I 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.800 worked for Mark for Mike Pence and I had any 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.720 loyalty to him, you bet your ass. I would beat 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.480 feet before the Committee and the Federal Grand Jury and say, 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.560 let me tell you what I know about how Donald 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.960 Trump set my boss up to be hurt when all 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:54.200 my boss was trying to do was follow the law 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.080 and abide by the constitution. Oh man, you could never 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.879 shut me up if you did that to my boss. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.080 And I was loyal to my boss. And of course 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.520 I'm going to testify truthfully because I take the oath 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:10.800 very seriously. But I absolutely believe that Mark Short and 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:14.480 Greg Jacob laid Donald Trump out in the Grand jury. 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.520 And as Liz Cheney said, the dam is breaking. And 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.399 that's why. Now what do you see? You see? You 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.000 know some things you can't get rid of. Right, They 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:30.000 keep coming back like crab Grass, Mold and Mick mulvaney. Right, So, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:35.439 all of a sudden, these Trump sycophants are running to 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.320 the Grand Jury or running to the J six Committee. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.400 I want to tell my story too. I mean, Minutchin 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:46.639 forgot that rodent, right. Mike Pompeo all of a sudden 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.560 wants to talk because they know the damn is breaking. 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.199 And the longer they cover up the crimes of Donald Trump, 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:59.320 the more at risk they are of being criminally liable 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.840 for the cover up, for accessory after the fact, from 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.560 misprision of a felony. Those are crimes. When you cover 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:07.800 up the federal crimes of another, you're committing a crime. 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:11.640 These people have committed that crime of the cover up 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.439 in Layman's terms. So all of a sudden they're like 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.119 beating feet to testify about what they know. The damn. 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.720 I'm not going to say the damn is breaking. I 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.879 think the dam has broken. And I want to ask you, Glenn, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:28.200 what is it that you think that has finally What 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.400 was the final sledge hammer into the dam? Right? Because 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:38.719 you know, again I am cautiously optimistic finally in the 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.879 direction that things are actually moving. But what you know, 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.560 we know Liz Cheney said it. But what from your 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.159 vantage point do you think was the sledge hammer or 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:52.359 the many hits that finally has this breaking. Cassidy Hutchinson 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:56.520 brought us inside the White House and inside the Oval office, 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:01.080 and once that barrier was broken, and she said, let 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:04.320 me tell you about the misconduct of Mark meadows. Let 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.680 me tell you what Pat Sippoloney did. Let me tell 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:13.879 you what Tony Arnado, this Secret Service Trump blacky, let 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.040 me tell you what he did. And let me tell 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:19.000 you what I heard Donald Trump say with his own mouth, like, 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:21.640 I don't care if my supporters are armed, They're not 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:23.720 here to hurt me. Let them in, take down the 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.640 metal detectives, and then the entire armed mob will march 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.119 on the Capitol. All of a sudden, we're now inside 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:34.600 the Oval Office and all of those other week week 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:38.879 week men air quotes intentional around the word men are like, 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:41.360 oh my god, Cassidy gave it up. We gotta get 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:43.080 in there and tell our side of the story or 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.640 we're gonna look like crap. That is what I more 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.840 than any other strike to the damn I think it 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:55.240 was a very brave young woman, Cassidy Hutchinson, who will 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.680 turn out to be one of the pivotal heroes of 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:04.600 this sad side. Going back to Cassidy Hutchinson's a testimony, 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:09.480 we learned from there that Donald Trump essentially allegedly assaulted 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.879 a Secret Service agent demanded to be taken to the 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:17.040 Capitol building. The Secret Service, according to the press said 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:22.320 that didn't happen. January sixth, Committee asked for requested the 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:26.760 text messages from January sixth and January seventh. They've changed 0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:30.159 platforms and coincidentally, all of those text messages on the 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:34.240 most historic day in the country somehow turn up missing. 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.760 What do you make of that? And now that these 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:43.320 twenty four members of the Secret Service have retained private council. Yeah, 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.920 this is so disturbing, Danielle, because when I was a 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.840 federal prosecutor, I worked cases with the Secret Service with 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:54.840 all of the federal law enforcement agencies in DC, and 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.240 when we would seize evidence pursue into a search warrant 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:02.800 that included cell phones and computers, and we needed to 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:07.320 have forensic searches done on those cell phones, for example, 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:12.240 especially if we thought the bad guy had deleted information 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:14.920 and evidence off of that cell phone. You know, I 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.000 didn't go down to the FBI lab at Quantico, even 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:21.320 though they have great forensic services down there. We would 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:26.360 go to the premier law enforcement agency, the United States 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:32.439 Secret Service Forensic Sciences Division, and they were the ones 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:38.960 who were best at retrieving deleted evidence off of cell phones. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:45.600 It sounds like you're making that up right, because this 0:22:45.720 --> 0:22:50.200 is now the agency that says whoops and they can't 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:57.280 retrieve their own deleted text messages. That makes no sense 0:22:57.320 --> 0:23:01.280 to me none. Now, we can't leap to the conclusion 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:05.560 that it's a criminal conspiracy to delete important evidence about 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:10.919 their communications with or about Donald Trump that day. However, 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:15.360 I believe there's enough evidence to open a criminal probe. 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.360 And here's the thing. You know, they've already lawyered up right. 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.439 And let me I'm not mocking the sixth Amendment right 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:26.359 to counsel. Everybody is entitled to retain a lawyer. But 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:29.120 there's kind of an incongruity there when you're a law 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:33.720 enforcement agency and you have certain legal duties and responsibilities 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.679 to the American people in the Constitution, and then when 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.480 it looks like you did something wrong, you lawyer up. Well, 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.800 that's because they're afraid of what's about to come. So 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.000 here's what we do. We open a criminal probe. We 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:50.080 have the FBI investigate what really happened. And if the 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:54.000 Secret Service did nothing wrong, they should welcome that criminal 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:58.960 probe because they will be exonerated. But a criminal investigation 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:04.199 needs to be open to look into how it is 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:09.280 they destroyed what is some of the most critically important 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:13.639 evidence to what really happened on January sixth. You know 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.359 what else I find troubling about this too, is that 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:22.919 the watchdog group, who knew months and months ago that 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:27.240 those text messages were no longer available, didn't tell the 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:31.320 January sixth commit didn't alert Congress to this fact, which 0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:35.320 I mean, Glenn, it just there are too many coincidences, right, 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.840 There are too many things that keep coming up that 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.359 lead me to believe that there is a conspiracy here, 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:46.399 that Trumpism is become so entrenched in our agencies that 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:49.600 we can no longer trust that the oath that people 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:52.919 are taking are what is actually being upheld. And it 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.560 seems to me that we are in an intense moment 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.240 of cover your own ass, right, you have all of 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.120 these trumpe will now coming out like you had said earlier, 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.000 coming out of the woodwork, saying, oh, I'll testify, I'll 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:08.560 testify now that the quote unquote damn seems to be 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:12.560 breaking and I you know, I guess, does do you 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:15.800 think you know your former federal prosecutor? Does the Department 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:20.160 of Justice take these coincidences you know, as they are, 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:23.240 or is it like we got to open up this investigation, 0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:27.920 this investigation, that investigation because none of this makes sense. Yeah, 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:31.119 we don't. We don't really believe in these kind of coincidences. 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.199 What we do is we investigate, and if it turns 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:41.359 out this was some sort of pre planned phone migration, okay, 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.440 we'll take that into account. But here's the thing. We've 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:51.800 learned that this deletion of information, whether criminal or innocent, 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:58.960 happened after they were asked to preserve and produce this information. 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:02.600 So saying trying to say, well, but it was an 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:07.159 innocent phone migration, doesn't really cut it, because then you 0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:11.560 allowed that innocent phone migration to happen after you were 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:15.840 asked to preserve and produce those text messages. So there 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:20.280 really is no compelling innocent explanation based on what I've 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:23.840 seen publicly reported, which is why we need to investigate. No, 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.680 the Department of Justice doesn't take what seemed to be 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:32.960 transparently BS explanations at face value. And now, of course 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:37.560 we now we've seen reporting that DHS officials like Chad 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:41.840 Wolf their text messages of God missing too, and I 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:48.560 am shocked, said absolutely nobody. I mean, it's just because 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:53.199 it's just so absurd. Okay, So now we mentioned this 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.720