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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,

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Speaker 1: I come to you at a time when the state

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Speaker 1: of Kentucky is underwater. The images coming out of Kentucky

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Speaker 1: at the time of this recording are otherworldly devastating. Full

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Speaker 1: people have been airlifted. At the time of this recording,

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Speaker 1: sixteen people, including children, are dead. The governor has said

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Speaker 1: that whole families may have perished in this flash flooding

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Speaker 1: and that there is more rain to come. You take

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Speaker 1: in all of these climate crises, because this is what

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Speaker 1: this is right. This is not just a product of happenstance.

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Speaker 1: It is not just a regular quote unquote natural disaster.

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Speaker 1: It is a product of climate change. It is a

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Speaker 1: product of climate denial. I think about the state of Kentucky,

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Speaker 1: which has had Mitch McConnell as its senator for at

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Speaker 1: least the last forty some odd years. They voted for

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Speaker 1: him with fifty eight point seven percent of the vote.

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Speaker 1: A man who has blocked legislation along with the entirety

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Speaker 1: of the Republican Party that would actually do something with

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Speaker 1: regard to climate change that just outright denies it. They

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Speaker 1: voted for Donald Trump in twenty twenty sixty two percent,

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Speaker 1: you know, when we are watching these images and we

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Speaker 1: are feeling so bad for these people, which you should.

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Speaker 1: I think about Jonathan Metzel's book Dying of Whiteness, and

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Speaker 1: I think about why these people continue to vote against

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Speaker 1: their best interests. Like, you're not fucking winning, right, Remember

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Speaker 1: when Donald Trump's big thing would say, Oh, you're sick

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Speaker 1: of winning yet, like we're going to be winning so much,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be sick of winning. Is this what

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Speaker 1: winning looks like. It looks like people who deny reality.

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Speaker 1: It looks like people who, in order to line their

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Speaker 1: pockets with money from big coal and big oil, deny

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Speaker 1: their constituents the aid that they need. Because at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, folks, whether or not you know

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Speaker 1: you believe in climate change, much in the same way

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Speaker 1: of whether or not you believe in COVID, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: stop it from happening, right, It doesn't stop it from existing,

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Speaker 1: and it won't stop it from killing people. Because that's

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Speaker 1: the conversation that we weren't having about time. It changes

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Speaker 1: the amount of deaths that it's going to cause. From

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Speaker 1: the extreme heat episodes that we've seen in this country

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Speaker 1: Like I'm just out here waiting for the locusts right

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Speaker 1: between monkey pocks and fucking COVID and these extreme climate

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Speaker 1: you just feel like every day you're getting up and

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Speaker 1: you're like bracing for impact. I wrote a piece that

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Speaker 1: I talk about it on Twitter, I talk about it

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Speaker 1: feeling of overwhelm, of consistent anxiety coupled with depression. The

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Speaker 1: there is another term that we now know called ambient stress,

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Speaker 1: Go ahead and check it out at Medium. Coming up

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Speaker 1: next today, my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner giving

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to chat with the host of Justice Matters

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Speaker 1: The Department of Justice is doing what I'm referring to

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Speaker 1: moving at its glacial pace, is in fact investigating people

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Speaker 1: with regard to the insurrection. The architects are being brought

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Speaker 1: before Grand Juries. Right. There's a little distinction that is

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Speaker 1: the Federal Code Section for Insurrection eighteen USC. Twenty three

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Speaker 1: mulvaney was the one who helped facilitate that dirty deal,

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Speaker 1: and then he went on TV and very publicly boasted

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Speaker 1: that we do it all the time. Get over it.

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Speaker 1: That's who Mick mulvaney is. And if I were on

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Speaker 1: him about the bribery and extortions team of President Zelenski,

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Speaker 1: for which Donald Trump has never been held account So

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Speaker 1: we will find out, I'm assuming in the fall, right

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Speaker 1: when season two of the January sixth Committee returns for

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Speaker 1: the fall sweeps. In the meantime, Steve Bannon had his

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Speaker 1: What can we expect, Glenn from this sentence saying here?

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Speaker 1: What what do you believe it will look like? So

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Speaker 1: I watched that. I was in court watching that trial

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Speaker 1: Thank you. It was It was not a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: But I want to say a couple of things about it. One,

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Speaker 1: in that prosecution, really, and I got to talk to them.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're there. It's being prosecuted out of my

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's a reunion for me, and

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Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. Now. Steve Bannon, it was a

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Speaker 1: that wasn't just a guilty verdict. That was a statement

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Speaker 1: by the jury that Steve Bennon could not have been

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Speaker 1: more guilty of those two criminal charges contempt of Congress

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Speaker 1: These are misdemeanors, so all he's facing. Listen, I don't

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Speaker 1: But each one of these convictions carry with it a

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Speaker 1: Should other people right who have snubbed their nose at Congress? Right?

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Speaker 1: Mark Meadows being one of them who actually was sent

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Speaker 1: not to go after Mark Meadows for these charges. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why, but should other people now look to

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Speaker 1: Steve Batten as a cautionary tale, like we're not above

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Speaker 1: the law, and we don't get to just say executive

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Speaker 1: are three reasons why Mark Meadows may not have been

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Speaker 1: they are intending to indict him for the larger conspiracy

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Speaker 1: for Mark Meadows. Or they just decided we're never going

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Speaker 1: that gives us too much heartburn, and if we do

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Speaker 1: it once, then every chief of staff for all time

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Speaker 1: moving forward will always be indicted for something if politicians

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't really explain why Dan Sabino wasn't indicted

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Speaker 1: for his contempt of Congress. Now, Peter Navarro was indicted

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Speaker 1: for his contempt of Congress. So someday, when all of

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Speaker 1: this becomes a matter of public record, which it all

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Speaker 1: will in the future, maybe years in the future, then

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Speaker 1: we'll get an answer to the question why did doj

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Speaker 1: indict some people for contempt of Congress and decline to

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Speaker 1: indict others who committed precisely the same crime. But to

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Speaker 1: go right to your question, absolutely there are consequences, and

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Speaker 1: I think that may be part of the reason all

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Speaker 1: Committee to want to testify. Yeah, that is not a coincidence,

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Speaker 1: Glenn Kirshner. As always, we appreciate your breakdown of the

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Speaker 1: latest and greatest and I feel like we are getting

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Speaker 1: to a place where justice may in fact actually matter

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Speaker 1: as you as you say every day, let's hope that

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Speaker 1: we get there. Appreciate you. Thanks Daniel. That is it

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Speaker 1: for me today, dear friends. As always, power to the

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Speaker 1: people and to all the people. Power, get woke and

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Speaker 1: stay woke. As fun