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Speaker 1: talk about Nathan returning home from the hospital with unpaid
Speaker 1: bills in episode twenty one of season two what could
Speaker 1: have been air date May seventeen, two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: So Nathan's poor, The friends throw them a movie night
Speaker 1: fundraiser at Trick. Lucas is determined to take down Dan
Speaker 1: and he enlists Andy for help. Meanwhile, Dan is inexplicably
Speaker 1: again trying to make amends with Nathan and encourages him
Speaker 1: to move back home. I mean, can he stop barking
Speaker 1: up this tree already? Why telling Haley a big lie
Speaker 1: about her marriage? Peyton suggests Brooke is getting closer to Lucas.
Speaker 1: Is it a lie? Though? That's in the synopsis that
Speaker 1: he's telling a lie, but we don't know that Nathan
Speaker 1: didn't sign those papers. No, so I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was a lie or not. Actually, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: all of the implications are actually pointing to the fact
Speaker 1: that he just did. But it was off camera. We
Speaker 1: all said this episode was kind of like expository and
Speaker 1: there was like a lot of dialogue of Hilt, like
Speaker 1: we were setting things up or wrapping things up. But
Speaker 1: it was directed by Bethany Rooney, who sure is good
Speaker 1: at her job. Bethany Rooney's good people too. She's just
Speaker 1: like a cool person. I like her. Yeah, I've worked
Speaker 1: with her on a couple other shows, and she's just
Speaker 1: such a solid director. And so the way this episode
Speaker 1: was shot, it was so fun. The movie Night at
Speaker 1: Trick looked like a super fun party. The scenes between
Speaker 1: Brook and Lucas are super intimate and sweet. You know,
Speaker 1: So then that gut at the end hurt. The scene
Speaker 1: of Haley like you know what, husband and then like
Speaker 1: falling into her tears at the keyboard. Yeah. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: did a great direction making us care because this episode
Speaker 1: kind of felt like, I mean, we know everything that
Speaker 1: we were just coming off of the last few episodes
Speaker 1: were not stellar, so to to get I feel like
Speaker 1: the writing room, the writer's room has somewhere else, like
Speaker 1: a whole different path for everybody that they want to
Speaker 1: go on right now, but they couldn't just jump into
Speaker 1: it right away. We had to tie up all these
Speaker 1: loose ends. And that's kind of what this episode felt like.
Speaker 1: It was tying up blues ends and opening some new doors.
Speaker 1: So there's not a lot that happens, but it's preparing.
Speaker 1: And it was interesting to me because I felt like
Speaker 1: the writers used Nathan as the bridge, you know, like
Speaker 1: like if we were doing games at camp and someone
Speaker 1: had to be the one, Like like Nathan is the one,
Speaker 1: and suddenly he's like this wise sage oracle, who's just all, what,
Speaker 1: it's hilarious. It's hilarious to me. If Nathan is the oracle?
Speaker 1: What does that make Dan Hillary called it, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: listen Dan with the paperwork in this episode, I'm like,
Speaker 1: is he Ursula the Sea Witch? He's just like, give
Speaker 1: me a voice. Kid signed his paper and they call
Speaker 1: your dreams go true. Oh I love Dan the Sea Witch.
Speaker 1: Someone listen. There's gonna be a fan out there that
Speaker 1: puts Dan's face on Ursula's body and it is going
Speaker 1: to please me give it to us. Yeah, pretty fat body.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Even the way he approached you in
Speaker 1: that scene and he was like, what do you think
Speaker 1: Nathan sent me like it was wiggling his body. God. Okay,
Speaker 1: you guys are just gonna bad talk about Dan because
Speaker 1: he is so confusing to me in this episode. We've
Speaker 1: seen him have changes of heart before, and they were
Speaker 1: all motivated by some life threatening incident, his first one
Speaker 1: being what the heart attack he had with attack when
Speaker 1: he ded was like I hope you die or he
Speaker 1: said you better hope. I wait, you just reminded me
Speaker 1: of something, because Dan had that weird like if you
Speaker 1: think about it, like a syndrome. He had like post
Speaker 1: heart attack syndrome. I don't know if this is a
Speaker 1: real thing, but we're saying it is for this argument. Well,
Speaker 1: I know there's like things people have sometimes, Like there
Speaker 1: is a real affliction called a post urgical depression. So
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if like there's a you know, post forcident high. Yes,
Speaker 1: Like like a near death experience can give you kind
Speaker 1: of a high or a clarity, and Dan had that
Speaker 1: near death experience high where he was being weird and
Speaker 1: remember dead was like, you're freaking everybody out, you know.
Speaker 1: And now Nathan just had this near death experience and
Speaker 1: he's this wise sage. He's like, Mom, you're just a
Speaker 1: human doing your best. And it's what if me and
Speaker 1: Haley have been spending too much energy in the wrong places.
Speaker 1: Like he's suddenly like a therapist. It's crazy. And I
Speaker 1: a teenage boy who has never seen a therapist, who
Speaker 1: definitely shoots, definitely is not in touch with his feelings
Speaker 1: in the way that that Lucas is or any of
Speaker 1: the basis basic character. He's like this child just trying
Speaker 1: to kill himself, this child child just trying to kill himself.
Speaker 1: And the writers are like, should we send him do
Speaker 1: a shrink? No, no, no, let's send us drunk? Oh mom, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, rahab facility is just going to happen. And
Speaker 1: then he makes a doctor Phil joke when Lucas says,
Speaker 1: you need to talk to someone, and yet through the episode,
Speaker 1: the writers gave him the dialogue of a forty six
Speaker 1: year old college professor therapist. Right right. It was very bizarre,
Speaker 1: very bizarre, But I will say as bizarre as it felt,
Speaker 1: I got a hand it to James. He did a
Speaker 1: beautiful job. Always he was so grounded in in these
Speaker 1: sort of emotional realizations that Nathan is having that you know,
Speaker 1: in the hands of another very young actor might have
Speaker 1: felt really soap opright and weird, and and he really
Speaker 1: he did it beautifully, even though the dialogue, when we
Speaker 1: think about it on the page, is a little ridiculous
Speaker 1: for a teenage boy. Yeah, he committed that, that is.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can never accuse James of not fully
Speaker 1: committing to his material. Whatever you give him. He throws
Speaker 1: himself at it. And I loved seeing that, But I'm
Speaker 1: still confused about why Dan as suddenly having a change
Speaker 1: of heart with crying and crying and like and then
Speaker 1: well then I mean he's still like, this is how
Speaker 1: far we've come. You don't believe me when I'm sincere, No,
Speaker 1: no one believes you. Ever. He's the ultimate boy that
Speaker 1: cried wolf. I think part of what made that seem
Speaker 1: feel weird too. You know, Nathan goes in there and
Speaker 1: they're having this argument, but it's set like a weird
Speaker 1: TV movie with like the fire going like the set
Speaker 1: felt like a soap opera, and then the music we're
Speaker 1: making me insane. It was a lot of slow jet.
Speaker 1: It was really weird, so it kind of undercut the moment,
Speaker 1: which now I'm going, well, I wonder if it was
Speaker 1: a device to make you feel like it was insincere.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Now I'm going like a full beautiful
Speaker 1: mine trying to connect the meta. It's like, what are
Speaker 1: we doing? Um? I think it was so that Nathan
Speaker 1: would just move in with his dad so that like
Speaker 1: the chicks could live in the apartment. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: how much debauchery can we get up to when you're
Speaker 1: living with Karen? Um? This is? Is this how Brook
Speaker 1: gets the apartment? Like? Are we just setting up? Are sweet?
Speaker 1: Because Hailey comes home at some point and then I
Speaker 1: move in there? Or do I move in first? I
Speaker 1: actually don't remember. I just remember we had two beds
Speaker 1: in one room. And I actually did that one summer
Speaker 1: in college. My best friend and I couldn't afford to
Speaker 1: get an apart a two bedroom apartment in l A
Speaker 1: for the summer, so we got a tiny little studio
Speaker 1: we had two beds in. It was actually the way
Speaker 1: I would still do that, honestly, saying do you guys
Speaker 1: want to just get to crash. My husband's not into it,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I live on a commune, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm more introverted than you. I'm like, I want to
Speaker 1: be underneath other humans always, just like in a puppy pip,
Speaker 1: I want a nap in a group, and Grant is like,
Speaker 1: I we are not the same. Do you know how
Speaker 1: sometimes like people will pick up things that we say
Speaker 1: from the podcast and make them into news stories. I
Speaker 1: need Sophie's news story this week to be like I
Speaker 1: just want to be underneath people. I don't mean that
Speaker 1: in a sexually. I'm realizing as you've repeated it that
Speaker 1: it sounds terrible. I don't mean like somebody. You mean
Speaker 1: like I just want to I want to, like I
Speaker 1: want to snuggle like new puppies all the time. Brooks
Speaker 1: about to get there. And and this is the episode
Speaker 1: that set it up. I think, um, this whole thing
Speaker 1: about Nathan needing to raise money because he's poor, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I love it. That's the device on
Speaker 1: our show that's like, oh man, Brooks, poor Nathan's poor.
Speaker 1: This is the worst. There's poor poor kids. I think
Speaker 1: I would imagine that like they had written all the
Speaker 1: other stuff for the episode, and they just went, oh,
Speaker 1: we can't do another episode like this in a row
Speaker 1: of just a bunch of talking heads and nothing happening.
Speaker 1: And somebody said, we need a big group event to
Speaker 1: happen in this in the midst of all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: And then somebody came up with the movie Night, which
Speaker 1: was cute. I mean, what loved loved the setup for it,
Speaker 1: with the river Cort boys hang out and everybody appears.
Speaker 1: That felt so good, natural and really how it was
Speaker 1: in real life behind the scene. We need more of
Speaker 1: that energy. I can't figure out what parents let their
Speaker 1: high school teenagers go to a bar for like a
Speaker 1: lock in. Maybe it wasn't again, maybe it wasn't overnight. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing when you said that, when we were watching
Speaker 1: the episode, I thought, oh, yeah, there's no there's no
Speaker 1: like bar cage, Like there's nothing that locks up the alcohol.
Speaker 1: They just trust us, Like what all these young kids
Speaker 1: and you think nobody's gonna like swipe a bottle from bar.
Speaker 1: This feels like parenting one on one. But I guess
Speaker 1: they've figured that they've established a trust with tricks high
Speaker 1: school Night or like none. Yeah, because it is where
Speaker 1: they lock up the liquor elsewhere, like it's kept off premises. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are the things I wanted explain. I will say.
Speaker 1: I remember there's a there was a really fun you
Speaker 1: know honestly kind of like a high school slash college
Speaker 1: club in l A. Not like you know, a sunset
Speaker 1: club like the places people used to sneak into that
Speaker 1: you saw in the news, but like they would do.
Speaker 1: They would do high school nights. They would do these
Speaker 1: all ages nights, and they would I remember they would
Speaker 1: card people at the door, and you know, you could
Speaker 1: get in if you were seventeen or eighteen, but for
Speaker 1: kids who were older, and I think you couldn't come
Speaker 1: in past like twenty three or something. But they had
Speaker 1: like a separate room, and so the kids that were
Speaker 1: of age got wristbands and only they could go into
Speaker 1: the room where the bar was. But I remember the
Speaker 1: rest of us like we had just graduated and we
Speaker 1: turned eighteen, and we felt like so cool to be there,
Speaker 1: just like we're going dancing like the grown kids to
Speaker 1: But but like Trick doesn't have a separate space, so
Speaker 1: I guess they just think one siphoning off the bar.
Speaker 1: I don't know, are we going to open an all
Speaker 1: ages clubs neural idea. I'm at. I loved being a
Speaker 1: camp counselor. I'm ready because when I was in high school,
Speaker 1: I remember that there were a couple like places in
Speaker 1: town that did that, and I was never allowed to
Speaker 1: go to them because my dad was just like, perverts
Speaker 1: hang out in those places, like fishing for teenage girls. Yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got That's why you got to have an age limit.
Speaker 1: You can't just have like forty year old men in
Speaker 1: a bar with seventeen year old It's like teenage night
Speaker 1: or something. But you can't that. Do you guys? Remember
Speaker 1: the first time you ever got drunk? Uh? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it. Well, I'm having that
Speaker 1: visceral moment of like remembering the feeling of going, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't like this because the first couple of times
Speaker 1: you do it, you don't know your body, you don't
Speaker 1: do it. Well, it's not elegant. Mm hmmm. No. I
Speaker 1: didn't drink really like they would have margarite to Fridays
Speaker 1: on TRL, but because I was everyone's little sister, everyone
Speaker 1: was real touchy about like, okay, you could have one,
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like I'm gonna get people in trouble. Um.
Speaker 1: But the first time I really remember being like hammered
Speaker 1: was my twenty one birthday at the MTV Beach House
Speaker 1: with Ashley Simpson and her sister was visiting, and Jessica
Speaker 1: had just had her birthday or was going to have
Speaker 1: her birthday, and was like everyone was kind of making
Speaker 1: it about her, and I was like, it's my birthday,
Speaker 1: and and I just remember being so so so drunk
Speaker 1: and coming home and my boyfriend trying to like make
Speaker 1: sure I was thrown up in a bucket, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, David, David, leave me alone. And boy,
Speaker 1: his name sure, wasn't it Probably? Oh yeah. I waited
Speaker 1: a really long time. Um. And then I made up
Speaker 1: for it when we moved to Wellington. Yeah yeah. Champagne,
Speaker 1: Champagne girl, Champagne. I was too young to go and
Speaker 1: some rich boy took me on a date. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I think his last name was like Van van Elswick
Speaker 1: or something like that. Oh my god, like a Gossip
Speaker 1: Girl character. Totally totally, Oh my god, you could have
Speaker 1: written him right out of Gossip Girl. Uh. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: went to the Bubble Lounge and um, I probably I
Speaker 1: feel like I've talked about this on the show before. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I drank champagne at the table and then got up
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom. In the whole room just
Speaker 1: like spun around me and kind of went, oh, that's
Speaker 1: what this feeling is. I didn't know that. I think
Speaker 1: it was eighteen. I was never much a big drinker, though.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't like the feeling of being drunk,
Speaker 1: and I definitely don't like it the next morning. That
Speaker 1: headache is not good. Yeah, I I was much more
Speaker 1: often the designated driver than not I was. And also,
Speaker 1: like high school, when you know, it was a big
Speaker 1: house party culture out here, and my mom was so scary.
Speaker 1: I was like, it's just not worth it. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I got drunk here and there with friends, but more
Speaker 1: often than not, I drove everybody because I was like,
Speaker 1: I just don't want to piss off more. I would
Speaker 1: care to her, what kind of scary is I want
Speaker 1: to call her most so bad, but she won't let me.
Speaker 1: What kind of scary? I know, you worked on her
Speaker 1: for almost twenty years and she's like, no, no, she's
Speaker 1: that kind of scary. But what kind of scary is she?
Speaker 1: With she kind of mom, that's like scary because if
Speaker 1: you like, if you tell me, then I will show
Speaker 1: up for you and it'll be okay. But if you
Speaker 1: don't tell me, I will, like you'll be in trouble
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. Or is she like,
Speaker 1: don't ever do any of this stuff. If you ever do,
Speaker 1: I'll murder you before you get a chance to do
Speaker 1: it again. With my mom created what I like to
Speaker 1: call the holy parenting Trinity because she managed to be
Speaker 1: all of the things at once. So point one my
Speaker 1: mother was like kid, I grew up in New York
Speaker 1: with a crazy Italian family that got into you'll never
Speaker 1: see that you might see in a movie. So then
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, I'm so intimidated by
Speaker 1: this woman who, like you know, partied in a place
Speaker 1: where so did Andy Warhol. Then the next point was
Speaker 1: you also just don't want to be the person everyone's
Speaker 1: talking about on Monday. It's so embarrassing, it's so tacky.
Speaker 1: So then there was like the shame spiral. And then
Speaker 1: the last point of the trifecta, the third and I
Speaker 1: think perfect thing to say was if you do decide
Speaker 1: to drink because you're a kid, and you're going to
Speaker 1: be curious and everybody's going to at some point. Don't
Speaker 1: be stupid enough to get in a car with someone else.
Speaker 1: If you get in a car with someone else after
Speaker 1: you or any of your friends have been drinking, I
Speaker 1: will kill you myself. If you call me, I will
Speaker 1: come pick you up, because I will be more proud
Speaker 1: of you for calling me than I would ever be
Speaker 1: mad at you for trying something I know you're going
Speaker 1: to try eventually. Anyway, I just want you to be safe.
Speaker 1: So it created this whole thing where I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I can never get away with anything, so I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna try. I also really don't want to call my
Speaker 1: mom to pick me how to put a party, because
Speaker 1: how embarrassing. So I'll drive and and you know, And
Speaker 1: then I was like, and yeah, every once in a while,
Speaker 1: when i'm gonna like break the prost, I'll sleep over
Speaker 1: at somebody else's house because I really don't want to
Speaker 1: have to see my mother. I don't want to come home,
Speaker 1: and I just don't want to come home. I'll like,
Speaker 1: I'll go to the party I can walk to from
Speaker 1: like my high school best friend's house, and that's the party.
Speaker 1: We'll drink out and we'll walk home because I'm not
Speaker 1: going to put myself in the line of fire for
Speaker 1: this like scary East Coast woman. It's scary. That's where
Speaker 1: I get it. Um. Well, look, we had strong mom
Speaker 1: energy here, except Karen wasn't at the All Ages Club
Speaker 1: making sure that everybody was like sober and not hooking
Speaker 1: up atending you Hillary, Karen was in charge of the night.
Speaker 1: What happened. Karen's at home sending an emails to Keey
Speaker 1: boy Um. You know, Andy's like being bff with Lucas
Speaker 1: and She's like, Keith, I just really care about you,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know. That letter was a
Speaker 1: little that felt like another was putting out a feeler.
Speaker 1: It just felt like another bridge that I was like,
Speaker 1: where did this come from? Like Karen was just very
Speaker 1: much in it with Andy and feeling protected, you know,
Speaker 1: in her relationship with Andy. Andy's like out on a limb,
Speaker 1: trying to help her and help Keith and then he
Speaker 1: lost his job. He's like trying to help Lucas and
Speaker 1: it's like they never interact once in this episode. She's
Speaker 1: just like Keith, pay attention to me, Keith, Keith Keith,
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere. Is that which is? I guess
Speaker 1: the other side of it, though, is this is her
Speaker 1: best friend. He's been around forever Femer and she in
Speaker 1: small part, I guess, in part contributed to the situation
Speaker 1: at being left at the altar, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: she could have told him earlier. She didn't. You know,
Speaker 1: It's like I get it, and I I don't know
Speaker 1: that anybody would have anybody else would have made a
Speaker 1: different decision, But there is a lot. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: her best friend. What are you gonna do? You cann
Speaker 1: just like ignore and let him, let him just like
Speaker 1: go and not check in and not be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're real. Maybe it's just the supplemental stuff of like
Speaker 1: looking at the photo album also felt kind of like romantic.
Speaker 1: They supplemented the email with some other just like layers
Speaker 1: that felt like we were the family. And I think
Speaker 1: we also came out of a scene where Nathan's talking
Speaker 1: about his family, you know, like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: family talk in this episode. Yeah, for the whole for
Speaker 1: the whole gang and revisiting the past is a theme
Speaker 1: in this episode. So Karen is revisiting the former family
Speaker 1: structure that she had with Keith and Lucas. And then
Speaker 1: Nathan is revisiting the former structure he used to have
Speaker 1: with his parents, but also with Tim and Peyton, like
Speaker 1: sitting around in Trick, that little club of Nathan, Tim
Speaker 1: and Peyton before our pilot episode, that was the group
Speaker 1: that hung out, Like how many Friday nights did those
Speaker 1: guys spend together? But we never got to see it,
Speaker 1: And so seeing that group together was just kind of
Speaker 1: a rewind for the audience, you know, of like what
Speaker 1: could have been. You know, if Lucas had never shown up,
Speaker 1: it would have still been Tim and Peyton and Nathan
Speaker 1: sitting around on a couch being miserable, bitching about all
Speaker 1: the things. That was the scene. It's good, good stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of Tim speaking, guys, we have a really special guest.
Speaker 1: Brett clay Well is here. He's here so excited to
Speaker 1: talk with him in real life. He's a good guy.
Speaker 1: It's true. It's true. The man who is so good,
Speaker 1: so good with those beats. He takes a little morsel
Speaker 1: on a page and makes it into a very tasty,
Speaker 1: comedic meal. We've got the one and only Tim Brett
Speaker 1: clay Well. Get him in here. I feel like we
Speaker 1: should be doing the Ravens cheer for him when he
Speaker 1: got Can I see this pony that's happening? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Yeah I haven't. I haven't cut my hair since my
Speaker 1: son was more than Oh my gosh, how how old
Speaker 1: is your son? Right? Finn is over to so he's
Speaker 1: two years and three months months almost seven months to babies.
Speaker 1: I have to COVID baby. What the hell else was
Speaker 1: there to do? There was nothing else to do, was
Speaker 1: nothing else to do? No wrong was born right u January,
Speaker 1: so we got back to l A. He was born
Speaker 1: in Perth uh March three and the lockdown started two
Speaker 1: weeks later. So it's been stuck with But it was great.
Speaker 1: I got so much time with my kids. I got
Speaker 1: amazing little dude, a little little She's amazing. He's amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm ecstatic. It's what I was put on this planet
Speaker 1: for good. You always wanted to be a dad. I'm
Speaker 1: a North Carolina boy. Hollywood just ripped me out of
Speaker 1: my home, but I've always been a North Carolina Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's like it's the best part of me.
Speaker 1: It's my motivation, it's my that's my inspiration. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's my purpose and UH has made me a better
Speaker 1: man in every respect since I've had children. On a
Speaker 1: mug give it up her Father's Day, I like that,
Speaker 1: did you did you grow up? You grew up in
Speaker 1: North Carolina or were you just in the South? And
Speaker 1: rays first time I ever lived outside the state was
Speaker 1: season two and once Driel so I even went to
Speaker 1: school there. I went to NC State, I was born. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm Southern through and through. I still remember the first
Speaker 1: time I had a line on one Driel. I remember
Speaker 1: hearing myself and I remember the line first time. I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, come on, Nathan, I'm just trying to win.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to win. Perfect I talk. Oh I was
Speaker 1: way too southern. No, it was perfect. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: there's so many different Southern dialects, and there's such a
Speaker 1: specific North Carolina dialect. The wind we cancer like, there
Speaker 1: are certain words that we had to say all the
Speaker 1: time that are just like, incredibly was not in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: But tim one had to had to move a little bit.
Speaker 1: I loved it. We were just talking about how wonderful
Speaker 1: and charming it was to watch the scene in this
Speaker 1: episode where we're all at Karen's planning the fundraiser and
Speaker 1: to see you know, the popular high school kids, you know,
Speaker 1: Tim and Peyton and Brooke with all the River Court
Speaker 1: kids and now those but Tim's Hill, Tim's hit, He's
Speaker 1: he's he's a varsity athlete. Like that's the set up
Speaker 1: of the beginning of the show. Anyway, even if they
Speaker 1: gave you a lot of that like sidekick, slapstick comedy,
Speaker 1: and I think they just gave you so much of
Speaker 1: it because you were so good at it, Like you
Speaker 1: took any person could do it, took anything on a
Speaker 1: page that was a suggestion of something funny, and you
Speaker 1: made it hilarious, and so they just kept giving you that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very kind. They should have paid you better, bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was so nice to see all those Carolina boys,
Speaker 1: like sitting around a table kind of shooting the felt
Speaker 1: really good, and the three of us were kind of
Speaker 1: reflecting on how we wish we'd gotten to have so
Speaker 1: much more of that. Said that all the time, like
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if you guys, but we
Speaker 1: got together. I hung out way more with the ball
Speaker 1: players on the team. In a way, Um, I grew up,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to stay. Championship in North Carolina
Speaker 1: was in the high school. I'm the I'm the only
Speaker 1: white kid to ever play at my high school ever. Still, really,
Speaker 1: what was your high school? Dudley High School. My high
Speaker 1: school team, we were the number one ranked public school
Speaker 1: in the nation, were the number twelve in the country.
Speaker 1: My senior year, um Brendan Haywood who played for with
Speaker 1: Lebron and played he played in the NBA. He was
Speaker 1: my high school center. Um. We had three straight State
Speaker 1: Player of the Years on the team, so a sophomore, junior, senior, like,
Speaker 1: we had a ridiculous high school. We lost Oak Hill
Speaker 1: and then we lost in dope double over time to
Speaker 1: like a state school who was runner up the year before.
Speaker 1: So we lost two games all year. And I missed
Speaker 1: the Oak Hill game because I had a play. It
Speaker 1: wasn't I was doing. Uh never saw another Butterfly, which
Speaker 1: was a story about concentration camps. Oh my god boy
Speaker 1: and a girl that wrote letters to each other across
Speaker 1: the wall and it was like competition theater. So we
Speaker 1: had like the state play. So I had to go
Speaker 1: because I was Hanza as the lead in the play.
Speaker 1: So I had to miss the game to go do
Speaker 1: the play a playoff. Yeah, but so North Carolina there
Speaker 1: was state theater. I went to a Weaver which in
Speaker 1: nor in Greensboro, there was a school that if your
Speaker 1: school didn't offer a program, you could do it at this.
Speaker 1: So it was all the schools in the county and
Speaker 1: it was the county theaters. It was two periods diffen
Speaker 1: sixth period and it was like the best actors from
Speaker 1: the area and it was like really cool to get into.
Speaker 1: They won the state play every other year because they
Speaker 1: wouldn't let you win it back to back years. It
Speaker 1: was just a really cool I've been doing theater since
Speaker 1: I was in six years old, doing children's theater, Like
Speaker 1: I was always love theater and I always would do that,
Speaker 1: Like I would find when I was a kid. There's
Speaker 1: videos of like I would. We did Winnie the Pooh
Speaker 1: and I gave my character a really strong Southern accent
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't in the script, Like it was
Speaker 1: always like trying to make the audience laugh. Um. But
Speaker 1: I just never saw it as a career and then
Speaker 1: I was Yeah, I went to school for architecture. That's
Speaker 1: what my degree was in. I had an architectural job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I was an architect. I worked at a firm
Speaker 1: for two years before um Once Your Hill. I quit
Speaker 1: my job two weeks before college because my theater professor
Speaker 1: was like, you should go try this and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: you you can make it from North Carolina to act,
Speaker 1: and so I quit my job. First job in Wilmington's
Speaker 1: was delivering pizzas. That's why I was a pizza boy.
Speaker 1: In season five, they were they were trying to I
Speaker 1: think we just lost. She'll come back, She'll be back anyway.
Speaker 1: They did that on purpose to kind of like it
Speaker 1: was like a little poke but hap okay, so you okay,
Speaker 1: wait a second, So you've got a job as a
Speaker 1: pizza delivery in real life, and then how do you
Speaker 1: end up on One Tree Hill? From that? I did
Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek before I was actually cast in the season
Speaker 1: finale of series finale of Dawson's and the pilot of
Speaker 1: Onetreal at the same time. What I didn't get to
Speaker 1: do Dawson's. You are blowing my mind right now because
Speaker 1: the fact that there's a whole chunk of your life
Speaker 1: I'm realizing none of us knew because you came in
Speaker 1: with the basketball team. We all literally thought you auditioned
Speaker 1: playing basketball out of college, Like you feel like a
Speaker 1: CIA agent to me right now, you had a whole
Speaker 1: other life we didn't even know about. Knew the finn Canons.
Speaker 1: I've been there about six months. I knew the thing Canons.
Speaker 1: I was actually out of town and I drove back because, um,
Speaker 1: you guys knew where. I'm not going to mention, but
Speaker 1: my girlfriend's mother, uh passed away in between me auditioning
Speaker 1: and me getting the part. So I was in Texas.
Speaker 1: I drove back from Texas because her mother was in
Speaker 1: the hospital. Um, I got to I actually sent in
Speaker 1: to the finn Cannons a video of me playing basketb ball,
Speaker 1: just because you're doing a basketball show. You only know
Speaker 1: me as an actor. Here's me playing ball. I was
Speaker 1: just I sent a letter to Craig ping Cannon. I
Speaker 1: was like, there's a loud. I didn't know how it worked.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just gonna hustle and hey, I
Speaker 1: got in on Friday. UM audition on Friday. I knew
Speaker 1: they had open trials for basketball, so I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: can I come in there? Like it's just for extras.
Speaker 1: I was like I'll come anyway because I knew, and
Speaker 1: like I came, like, yeah, there's two hundred people there.
Speaker 1: We did three on three three on two drills, which
Speaker 1: we're doing like a we've drill. I go down the
Speaker 1: first time down, I like fake this way. I wrapped
Speaker 1: the ball around behind my back. The guy's lay. All
Speaker 1: the guys like I don't I know some of the
Speaker 1: guys because I play ball, but like they all go up.
Speaker 1: I'm backing down the court on defense and I'm pointing
Speaker 1: up at Mark like I literally pointed. So then the
Speaker 1: continuation of the story they had they had somebody else's
Speaker 1: picture on the wall for Tim. He's a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: Actually I knew the guy was, so they already had
Speaker 1: somebody else they had selected. And then Mark told me
Speaker 1: I got the part, and the full, true, true story
Speaker 1: is My phone rang a minute later and her mother
Speaker 1: had just passed away. Oh God, God, you Hillary, but
Speaker 1: you know who it was. Yeah. I drew back from
Speaker 1: Texas to be with her, and I stayed in Wilmington's
Speaker 1: because I wanted the part. And it was always painful
Speaker 1: because she wanted me with her and I couldn't see her.
Speaker 1: And I got the part, but it was literally hand
Speaker 1: in hand. So it's when I was so protective over
Speaker 1: her the whole time because um, I told her mother
Speaker 1: I would look over her and watch over and um
Speaker 1: she's doing it now she has children, she's yeah. But
Speaker 1: it was crazy that we're all growing up with kids now,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I'm not growing up?
Speaker 1: Who are you talking about? I've got pictures. I've got
Speaker 1: pictures that I took on the pilot on like a
Speaker 1: film camera where I still had to like go take
Speaker 1: it over the costco and get the film developed. And
Speaker 1: you two were together in those pictures and like Chad's
Speaker 1: a baby and one I'm a picture of Antonine like
Speaker 1: chewing with his mouth open like a babys those days
Speaker 1: so fun. Yeah, babies. I have a I literally have
Speaker 1: a photo album. That's how old it was, literally yea
Speaker 1: clipped through. Really Yeah you post pictures? Will you postmen? Yeah?
Speaker 1: There's yeah, I can post wait wait wait, but Brett,
Speaker 1: I mean yes, I want to see whatever you have
Speaker 1: in that photo album. But I also want to know
Speaker 1: do you think the finn Cannons have video of that
Speaker 1: basketball day? Because we need it like that auditions, because
Speaker 1: that's where we met Um Jabbar. Yeah, yeah, all those
Speaker 1: because we we used to all. When you play ball,
Speaker 1: and that's just like part of your passion. You go
Speaker 1: to a new city and you're like, where are the
Speaker 1: pickup courts? We actually all played pickup before, Like I
Speaker 1: used to go to MP Park, which is where Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan grew up playing, and like it was all hood people.
Speaker 1: One of my dudes, I brought some white dudes there.
Speaker 1: They didn't know how it worked. They said too much,
Speaker 1: and he got his tooth knocked out and like meeting
Speaker 1: out of his mouth because he said the long thing.
Speaker 1: Kind of good. Maybe not, but like we all bawled
Speaker 1: together and like these rough neighborhoods and then we end
Speaker 1: up on a TV show together, so we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: so wait, who'd you know from before? Who were you
Speaker 1: hanging out back before I bowed with Garion, before I
Speaker 1: bawled with Jabbar, before um Daniel came down from uh,
Speaker 1: I think Carolina somewhere, so I hadn't played with him. Um,
Speaker 1: I think I've probably played with Vaughan before. V and
Speaker 1: Vaughan was like really a baller in high school, like
Speaker 1: like legit um, but like, yeah, we all just kind
Speaker 1: of some of us knew each other, some of us didn't. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there has to be video of that day
Speaker 1: of where like we met the Ravens for the first time. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to get it, get it. I love all
Speaker 1: our team photos, like I always get happy when fans
Speaker 1: tack us and are like team photos with the whole
Speaker 1: Childing squad, with the whole basketball team, because the line
Speaker 1: between fact and fiction has gotten just thinner and thinner
Speaker 1: and thinner as we've gotten older. There was a show
Speaker 1: behind the show at all time. What do you remember
Speaker 1: about getting to Wilmington's and getting to know this whole crew,
Speaker 1: all the people that you didn't know before, and the
Speaker 1: beauty of what I worked with the crew before. Once
Speaker 1: youre hill right, summer catch, I did Dawson's and I
Speaker 1: did a bunch of other things on the lot. Like
Speaker 1: I was like I was a like I just didn't
Speaker 1: know the world. I was just like, I'm gonna break
Speaker 1: my way in. So I started as a p A yeah,
Speaker 1: and I started as an extra. Then I met my
Speaker 1: agent as an extra. Then I started auditioning, and then
Speaker 1: I booked everything. So like in Wilmington's, I booked like
Speaker 1: seven straight jobs. So that's what wasn't down. And the
Speaker 1: cannons were like, you should come back, and I was
Speaker 1: kind of like, there, I would, they would just if
Speaker 1: I went in the room. I felt like I was
Speaker 1: going to walk out of the room with the job.
Speaker 1: A dream feeling for an actor. I didn't know l A.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know because hey, by the way,
Speaker 1: like neither did I though, And I think maybe that's
Speaker 1: why we became friends, Brett, because I was incredibly intimidated
Speaker 1: by l A. And you were also like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing out there, Like it was scary
Speaker 1: because we came from the East Coast and when you're
Speaker 1: a young actor, all that pressure to like go to
Speaker 1: l A and make it and do pilot season and
Speaker 1: like do all those kinds of rituals that were told
Speaker 1: are the things that you're supposed to do. That didn't
Speaker 1: work for me, you know, and it and it was
Speaker 1: weird for me because I didn't know l A enough
Speaker 1: to be like the times where I'm like, wait, I
Speaker 1: mean the hierarchy. I was always someone like people told
Speaker 1: me I'd never make the basketball team at my school, right,
Speaker 1: People told me I'd never get into architecture school. People
Speaker 1: have told me my whole life what I couldn't do,
Speaker 1: and I love the ability to prove them wrong. So
Speaker 1: in this world, to my detriment, at times, in this world,
Speaker 1: I there was a hierarchy. I didn't get it. I
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I can work my way to where
Speaker 1: I want to be. You guys are all flying to TRL.
Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I still here in our house?
Speaker 1: Like that looks fun? And I together? Right? Yeah? The
Speaker 1: first week, two weeks, Chad, James and I lived together. Um,
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, James and I lived together.
Speaker 1: Remember all that wait talk about the house that you
Speaker 1: guys lived in. I came to Garden. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you had that creepy ass haunted house and Hillary, I
Speaker 1: will never forget you. And I went over there with
Speaker 1: like bags of stuff from the bath and beyond because
Speaker 1: we were like, we cannot let them live like this.
Speaker 1: That was my fault. That was because they were gone
Speaker 1: and I'm like a North Carolina boy. Were rinsed like
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars a month, and I'm like, I'm making it.
Speaker 1: I'm a pizza boy, and They're like, get us a house,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, uh, looks cool. Your cell was strong.
Speaker 1: Breath's like, we've got a place on the beach, on
Speaker 1: the water, the water from between the openings in the crypt.
Speaker 1: You can guys, it was a brick house at the beach.
Speaker 1: It was like they had like gargoyles and all of
Speaker 1: you know that house forwarding gargoyles, gargoyles and those like
Speaker 1: scary metal awnings from like the nineteen thirties that are spiky.
Speaker 1: I had never looked at houses in my life. It's amazing.
Speaker 1: I was a resident advisor for three years in college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I never lived off campus. Get it, Like, so I
Speaker 1: didn't know. And then they and then I didn't even
Speaker 1: see the house because I was in Greensboro. I come
Speaker 1: back and I'm like, oh, I felt the same way.
Speaker 1: I was just trying. We didn't have like zillo or
Speaker 1: the Internet. I was just telling the girls that there
Speaker 1: was a summer in college where my best friend and I,
Speaker 1: who roomed together at USC, We're like, well, we got
Speaker 1: to get an apartment. We're obviously not moving home, but
Speaker 1: we couldn't afford an apartment, so we got a studio
Speaker 1: and we just put two beds in, just like Brooke
Speaker 1: and Haley did. In like the end of season two.
Speaker 1: We just were like, yeah, we can all sleep in
Speaker 1: this room. It'll be fine, we can eat here. Who cares,
Speaker 1: we're not going home. I get it, dude, It's it's
Speaker 1: a struggle when you're a kid young. And I was like, Hillary,
Speaker 1: you've said one time you were like, oh, you were immature,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I thought about that, and I actually
Speaker 1: I will immature. There's just a difference between an immature
Speaker 1: forty four year old and an immature year old. I
Speaker 1: was too young to be picking houses. I did my best.
Speaker 1: I failed. We moved on. Dude, you picked a weird house.
Speaker 1: I picked an apartment that I loved, except I didn't
Speaker 1: consider the fact that it was over a bar. When
Speaker 1: I went to look at it at like two PM
Speaker 1: and my first night in my first department in Wilmington's,
Speaker 1: I was like, I've made a grave mistake. I've lived
Speaker 1: above a bar. And I was like, this is the
Speaker 1: best choice. Coming from New York. Hillary is like this
Speaker 1: is like mid day, Like yeah, quiet in New York.
Speaker 1: I invested in good ear plugs and then I was okay,
Speaker 1: obviously okay enough that I gave myself amnesia because the
Speaker 1: last two years I was there, I lived over a
Speaker 1: bar again. I love you. I need especially coming like
Speaker 1: you know, he'll coming from East Coast and from New York.
Speaker 1: When when I moved to California, first thing I saw
Speaker 1: it out was noise at night. It drove me crazy
Speaker 1: that I it was. I had moved to an apartment.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine had a room open up in
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, and I moved into this place on Olympics.
Speaker 1: So quiet, it was so deadly quiet. It was I
Speaker 1: could never sleep. I could. I needed the noise. So
Speaker 1: I love that. I still sleep wearing your plugs like
Speaker 1: I like New York could train me on that when
Speaker 1: you got five am call times like now, I can't
Speaker 1: sleep without him. I sleep your plugs and a pillow
Speaker 1: over my face just like a smile, breathing hello for
Speaker 1: being over my head. How do you how do you
Speaker 1: set an alarm if you're wearing your plugs? Kids, the
Speaker 1: alarms loud enough to make me up and uh, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I couldn't the trash trucks at four am in New
Speaker 1: York and couldn't sleep, couldn't sleep. But you were in
Speaker 1: New York for years I did two years on a soap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, and that was a really big deal, Brett.
Speaker 1: It was. It's the it's the proudest thing. Well as
Speaker 1: an actor, it's the proudest thing in my career. I
Speaker 1: think I've done sense that I'm more proud of at
Speaker 1: this point. But it's hard work. Yeah, But how often
Speaker 1: in your career as an actor do you get to
Speaker 1: change the real world and have an effect on the
Speaker 1: real world. We were the first gay love story in
Speaker 1: the history of daytime television. We were the first game
Speaker 1: love scene in the history of television periods. Was it
Speaker 1: one life for all my children? One life to live?
Speaker 1: One life? What years were you on two thousand and
Speaker 1: eight to two thousand ten? So we started the storyline
Speaker 1: gay marriage was not legal in the United States. When
Speaker 1: we ended it, it was legal in five states, which
Speaker 1: is a big part of that right now. Yeah, waiving
Speaker 1: that flag of like you know, I worked with Chris
Speaker 1: Scot Scott Evans, Chris Evans brother, Yeah, and there was
Speaker 1: you know, it was personal to a lot. It was
Speaker 1: a very difficult time for me as a as a man,
Speaker 1: and it was an incredibly important part of my story
Speaker 1: of becoming who I am now and like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: being from North Carolina at a time where that was
Speaker 1: a hot topic and um being able to um one
Speaker 1: as an actor. You know, it's you know, really instantaneously
Speaker 1: when you kissed someone of the same sex, whether or
Speaker 1: not you're a homosexual or heterosexual. You know, it taught
Speaker 1: me a lot as a man of like you know,
Speaker 1: the just that topic at that time, you know, being
Speaker 1: a thirty year old in New York. Um. And but
Speaker 1: it also um it, it just was it was a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot the shoulder at that time of
Speaker 1: like who I was when I started the role versus
Speaker 1: who I was when I ended it, of like who
Speaker 1: am I and what do I stand for? And you know,
Speaker 1: equality was so part so important to me of why
Speaker 1: I took the role, which I wasn't cast in that role.
Speaker 1: They cast something else and three months later they're like,
Speaker 1: this is your part, And I had to like think
Speaker 1: about that. But it was, Yeah, I look back and
Speaker 1: during the time and after it like it was just
Speaker 1: one of the things I'm most proud of in my
Speaker 1: entire life. Do you feel like that experience taught you
Speaker 1: how to be an advocate? Like how to put yourself
Speaker 1: in other people's shoes. Um, yes, a lot. Yes, I
Speaker 1: mean I, like I said, I was a resonant advisor
Speaker 1: for three years. I went through a lot of like training. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I went through a lot of experiences during
Speaker 1: that time with with you know, how to be of
Speaker 1: how to be someone that UM listens and processes. And
Speaker 1: you know, we have two years in one mouth for
Speaker 1: a reason, right, we'll put on this planet to listen
Speaker 1: more than we speak. It's hard hard for me to
Speaker 1: say because UM, but UM, yeah, so so if I
Speaker 1: would say, I mean, you don't know what someone else
Speaker 1: is going through until you walk in their shoes, right,
Speaker 1: And I spent two years you know, there were times
Speaker 1: where so many people questioned my actual um placement in
Speaker 1: this world, in the real world, because of a part
Speaker 1: I was playing. Right. I went through some element of
Speaker 1: that with my family, with people I grew up with
Speaker 1: with you know, being a voice that's supposed to represent
Speaker 1: that community in some small way. So I absolutely learned
Speaker 1: how to be an ally and an advocate and like, UM,
Speaker 1: empathize so much with UM that but also to me,
Speaker 1: the fact that it was an issue at all was appalling.
Speaker 1: You know, that's because I said this when I took
Speaker 1: the role. My job as an actor is just to
Speaker 1: tell the truth. And the truth of this is these
Speaker 1: two human beings love each other. What else matters, like
Speaker 1: why do we fight so hard to get in the
Speaker 1: way of love? We should create pathways and roadways and
Speaker 1: causeways to create more love in the universe and in
Speaker 1: our world. So that's what I knew from day one. Um,
Speaker 1: I learned more of what the struggle was through that process. Well,
Speaker 1: you're talking about is why we get into storytelling as
Speaker 1: actors in the first place. Is two be able to
Speaker 1: tell stories that effect change. But also you do you
Speaker 1: learn how to walk in other people's shoes by just
Speaker 1: being efficient at your job and doing the research and
Speaker 1: talking with people who are similar to your character and
Speaker 1: you know, finding your way. I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: anyone who's a good actor that doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: really empathize. I mean that truly is our job. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe that's why so many of us are messy because
Speaker 1: we empathize. You know, our whole job is to be
Speaker 1: able to feel all the feelings and so how do
Speaker 1: you turn it off when you go home? And eleven
Speaker 1: years later, I have tears coming up from thee. I
Speaker 1: were so proud of you, honestly, because you know, we
Speaker 1: have had to reckon with some things on this show
Speaker 1: as we've watched it back together of like, uh, that
Speaker 1: didn't age well, you know, And this whole season two
Speaker 1: is the a a storyline where Daniel Alonso is coming
Speaker 1: out on our show, and our show did some like
Speaker 1: dorky stuff. But that's that's one storyline that I think
Speaker 1: was handled really well. I wish she would have stuck
Speaker 1: around um, but you're right. The conversation in you know,
Speaker 1: two thousand eight was hundred different than the conversations that
Speaker 1: we're having now, and you contributed to making that easier
Speaker 1: for people. That's a big deal. How many moms watch
Speaker 1: One Life to Live that all of a sudden are like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go talk to my son about his attractions
Speaker 1: or the person he loves and it's okay. That's when
Speaker 1: really understood the gravitas of it was the fan mail. Really,
Speaker 1: That's where, Yeah, there were dozens and dozens of those
Speaker 1: type you know, I wish Cameo existed. Then fan mail
Speaker 1: is amazing, you guys. I just went through my storage
Speaker 1: unit and I found bins of fan mail that I
Speaker 1: still didn't answer because I'm so you know a d
Speaker 1: D that I just didn't know. It was just like
Speaker 1: piled up in a thing. But I did go through
Speaker 1: some of them, and it is it's so cool to
Speaker 1: see the things that people were affected by and what
Speaker 1: they're going through. I mean, and we still see it
Speaker 1: all the time. The fans will come out to the conventions,
Speaker 1: and he did so much in that regard, like you
Speaker 1: are heroes and best friends and confidants and um and
Speaker 1: in some ways role models, which sometimes I'm sure you
Speaker 1: are like, uh, maybe this isn't the show that you'd
Speaker 1: want to be today, but like that that you did
Speaker 1: so much for young women and now older women, and
Speaker 1: like I applauding older women who like the one beautiful
Speaker 1: thing about this show is like we now connect with
Speaker 1: mothers and their daughters who both weird. It's so cool.
Speaker 1: I know. It makes blose my mind now that I
Speaker 1: see when I again we do the conventions and we
Speaker 1: see the people that come out. Have you got to
Speaker 1: do any conventions you have? I've seen It's vention. I
Speaker 1: went to there's a video of like Brett and I
Speaker 1: like totally wasted behind the j Yes, you're one of
Speaker 1: the last people I saw before. Yeah, those things are
Speaker 1: those things are wild. Like it started as a show
Speaker 1: about basketball, but it legitimately became a show about I
Speaker 1: believe you ladies. You know, you really carried and I
Speaker 1: think at that time, like I look back on it
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it was so important. It would not
Speaker 1: have the cold. I just saw Ben Mackenzie at Bitcoin Miami,
Speaker 1: like we talked first time, Like I've never met him before.
Speaker 1: We just did a little whatever you want I talked
Speaker 1: to and you were like, whatever your arrival, that's us.
Speaker 1: That what we said. But like, I believe the reason
Speaker 1: this show carried was because of the storylines, the work
Speaker 1: that you ladies did, because you know, because it became
Speaker 1: it became about more. It was a basketball show that
Speaker 1: how long can that run? And it became about so
Speaker 1: much more. And I think you guys really carried that
Speaker 1: torch and just did a great job. And I think
Speaker 1: you you mean so much to people. So when I
Speaker 1: talk about one and I feel there and that's what
Speaker 1: has your wife seen? One Tree Hill? Never what you're
Speaker 1: so funny, I don't see it. I'm like, I'm a
Speaker 1: one note character. It is not at all you're wrong.
Speaker 1: There was there was no depth, there was no like,
Speaker 1: I guess you're wrong. You haven't, Brett. You need to
Speaker 1: watch I think more casting directors needed to watch that
Speaker 1: damn show. I know I'm being okay, I'm being obstinate,
Speaker 1: and I'm saying you're wrong. But here's why. Let me
Speaker 1: explain exactly why you're wrong. I've never been one to
Speaker 1: shy away from an argument telling someone where they're wrong. God, sorry, um, okay,
Speaker 1: here's why I think you're wrong. Because there are so
Speaker 1: many and we've said this multiple times. Whenever you're in
Speaker 1: a scene, there are so many people who could show
Speaker 1: up and see those lines on the page and do
Speaker 1: them one note, one dimensional, with no depth or anything.
Speaker 1: The fact is that you are interesting to watch because
Speaker 1: you always are thinking. Regardless of whether Tim is thinking
Speaker 1: about dumb things or weird things or nothing, you are
Speaker 1: thinking through Tim, and it's interesting to watch anyone who
Speaker 1: is thinking. There's a lot of actors who come up
Speaker 1: and they show up and they all they're thinking is
Speaker 1: say this line. My brain is totally empty. And then
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk over here and I do the thing,
Speaker 1: and you didn't. You didn't. You always had something going
Speaker 1: on internally, and we saw it as an audience member,
Speaker 1: and that's why we all fell in love with you,
Speaker 1: and that's why the audience fell in love with you,
Speaker 1: and that's why you kept coming back to the show.
Speaker 1: There is no world in which you were a one
Speaker 1: note actor. And to add to Joy's point, it's it's
Speaker 1: an amazing thing for us having started this show, to
Speaker 1: go back and rewatch our TV show and we see
Speaker 1: things we didn't see that. You know, we would catch
Speaker 1: an episode here and there, but mostly we were working.
Speaker 1: And it is so clear from this sort of bird's
Speaker 1: eye view vantage point of being adults, all of us
Speaker 1: have gone and worked on other things. We've all produced
Speaker 1: other things. We know what it is. We're not as
Speaker 1: clueless and unaware, you know, as we were when we
Speaker 1: were just kind of bopping around doing what we were told.
Speaker 1: Bopping around is the perfect way to describe it. We
Speaker 1: were just bottling around like we didn't know anything, you know,
Speaker 1: and we were like little ducklings. And now we're now,
Speaker 1: we're grown, and you are so much fun to watch.
Speaker 1: And nobody knew back then what we know now. But
Speaker 1: you're you know, we were just a group of friends
Speaker 1: doing dumb ship. Your talent going back and watching it
Speaker 1: as grown ups is like so next level, and it's
Speaker 1: crazy to hear things that we all realized we didn't
Speaker 1: know because we just thought we all kind of got
Speaker 1: pucked out of college, Like duh. Of course your perspective
Speaker 1: was so good. You had other things in your tool
Speaker 1: kit that nobody else did. He's a real basketball pro.
Speaker 1: Episode one, like the pilot, like it said Tim Smith
Speaker 1: six f chisel. I'm like, that's not me? Is that
Speaker 1: really what the description was? I'm pretty sure it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a big guy, not me. That's true, you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just looked at each scene like I'm a
Speaker 1: supporting actor the scenes not about me. So what does
Speaker 1: the scene need? Yeah? But what kind of energy does
Speaker 1: this moment need? You're timing with impeccable always, that's true.
Speaker 1: I don't I remember it so differently, so it it
Speaker 1: means it so, But tell us though, because you added
Speaker 1: a layer of vulnerability to everything. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: Tim talks a big game, but you also see the
Speaker 1: like little kid in him when we watched the show back,
Speaker 1: and I know just from like talking to you there
Speaker 1: and and from our experience, there was a layer of
Speaker 1: vulnerability to being a young actor on a hit TV
Speaker 1: show where there's no footing, where you're constantly being told
Speaker 1: like you're lucky to have a job. You know, like
Speaker 1: how much of that real life vulnerability bled into what
Speaker 1: you were doing? I was, you know, there's a thin
Speaker 1: line between confidence and cockyness, very thin line. I played
Speaker 1: on that line my whole life, like I just tight
Speaker 1: rope that line. So in some ways that I was
Speaker 1: told that so much, you know, like I that was
Speaker 1: beaten to my head thirty three episodes, you know, season two,
Speaker 1: I was flying myself back down to women. You know,
Speaker 1: season two, Lee and I were roommates in l A.
Speaker 1: They would put him in a car and take him
Speaker 1: to the airport. I would have to get myself to
Speaker 1: the airport. I would have to fly myself. I would
Speaker 1: have to find a place to stay. They would not
Speaker 1: put me up for like eight episodes. I've done twenty
Speaker 1: episodes at this point, you know. So there was always
Speaker 1: this little like underlying thing of like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: lucky that we gave you this job. Never you earned
Speaker 1: this job, You're lucky you got this part never you
Speaker 1: deserve this, you know. But I grew up in a household. Um.
Speaker 1: I love my family, I'll say that. But I grew
Speaker 1: up in the household where um, verbal affirmation was not
Speaker 1: a you know. UM. I was always trying to prove
Speaker 1: myself through like sports and through school and like get
Speaker 1: good grades and pay my way through college. And it
Speaker 1: was never necessarily receiving the words that I wanted to hear.
Speaker 1: I was kind of groomed for this, and I was
Speaker 1: like cold and let me go get I'm the youngest,
Speaker 1: but my my dad had a stroke when I was fourteen,
Speaker 1: in front of me playing basketball, so we I grew
Speaker 1: up like my my brother and sister were gone. So
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of a younger child, a little
Speaker 1: bit of an only child. I went through things where
Speaker 1: it was like I just knew, um. I even when
Speaker 1: I first started on one treel on my wall in
Speaker 1: front of me before I lived, I had written and
Speaker 1: sharpiest said I will not fail. Every morning I woke
Speaker 1: up because it was like, I know that the only
Speaker 1: time I will ever fail at anything is when I
Speaker 1: give up. Otherwise it just hasn't happened in the time
Speaker 1: frame you expected. It too, but the only failure is
Speaker 1: actually giving up. So I was like, great, it just
Speaker 1: was fuel for me. Keep telling me I don't deserve this,
Speaker 1: Keep telling me I shouldn't move to l A, keep
Speaker 1: telling me I won't get another job, keep telling me
Speaker 1: whatever you want to tell me. God they loved that,
Speaker 1: didn't they. Well you ever get another job? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like great, I'm now on another job and
Speaker 1: I'm not available, so you can wait for my neck.
Speaker 1: That's a fun feeling. I'm unavailable. I remember when I
Speaker 1: booked a movie Lee Wood. I came back and was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Hillary was telling congrats for booking a movie, like like
Speaker 1: you guys that were like knew I booked something. So
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I just um, it was motivation.
Speaker 1: It was really dumb, and I was, you know, I
Speaker 1: was just too fragile to show it. And I masked
Speaker 1: everything with comedy, so like it was who I wasn't
Speaker 1: real life too. Um, That's why I didn't really become
Speaker 1: a good actor until One Life to Live. That's when
Speaker 1: I I don't know, but but but you're wrong, because
Speaker 1: I think your ability to do dramatic work, yeah, really
Speaker 1: really shows itself in your comedy, you know, and so
Speaker 1: it's weird to me that you, you know, went from
Speaker 1: doing all the heavy lifting with the comedy on our
Speaker 1: show to doing something so serious right afterwards. Um, were
Speaker 1: you funny on One Life to Live? Did you get
Speaker 1: to be funny? That was? I mean the it's the
Speaker 1: last job I ever did. And you'll know why when
Speaker 1: I say this. I got pre nominated for an Emmy
Speaker 1: my first season and I'm walking in with Miami reel
Speaker 1: and the EP calls me in and he says, tomorrow's
Speaker 1: your last day in the job. What I got fut
Speaker 1: because we were doing a gay love story. We were
Speaker 1: in Bible Belt Soap Operas Network Plus. When I started
Speaker 1: that there were five soaps in New York. When I finished,
Speaker 1: we were the last one. There was already already the exodus. Yea,
Speaker 1: those shows were they were out. Everything's in l A.
Speaker 1: It was too expensive to be in New York. It
Speaker 1: was just hot, but it was. It was just a
Speaker 1: randomness of I'm turning in my Emmy reel and I
Speaker 1: don't have a job, so I I kind of got
Speaker 1: rid of all my reps and I was like, I
Speaker 1: need a break, and we started the company and I
Speaker 1: have an act UM well. I co founded the largest
Speaker 1: crowdfunding platform in the world for live streaming. We've raised
Speaker 1: UM hundreds of millions of dollars for charity since two
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen. We have over three thousand charities on the platform. UM.
Speaker 1: So that's what I stream. Is it concerts? Is it
Speaker 1: like Ted talk kind of stuff? Like what is it?
Speaker 1: What do you stream? I produced game for Paul with
Speaker 1: the cast of Furious seven to raise money for Paul
Speaker 1: Walker's charity, and Paul passed away. I worked with Cody
Speaker 1: and Ben and Direse and Michelle and so we did
Speaker 1: that for four years. UM tilt if I is basically
Speaker 1: we democratized that Jerry Lewis telethon model. So I was
Speaker 1: you guys probably remember playing lots of video games back
Speaker 1: in the day. I went to architecture school, so we
Speaker 1: designed what's now known as an E sports arena. But
Speaker 1: we designed it in two thousand and eight. UM did
Speaker 1: my first event in two thousand eleven. Had Zac Efron
Speaker 1: and Chris Evans and Michael Straight and and and uh
Speaker 1: and Snoop and we had Rampage Jackson versus the MS
Speaker 1: in UFC fighting in front of eight hundred people. We're
Speaker 1: any News and Access Hollywood, and I would walk into
Speaker 1: see A and William Morris and they're like, nobody's ever
Speaker 1: gonna watch people play video games literally quote that's what
Speaker 1: they told me. So nobody. Twitch didn't exist, None of
Speaker 1: the gaming exists. I just used to throw these big
Speaker 1: super Bowl events and we would we would play like
Speaker 1: side Room, and more people would come watches play Madden.
Speaker 1: Then we're watching the super Bowl. So I had like
Speaker 1: this a pivot and it's like the architecture side of
Speaker 1: like see the problem before and move. Then Twitch launched,
Speaker 1: so we pivoted. We stopped doing events, we launched, we
Speaker 1: built the platform, we launched the platform. It's now what
Speaker 1: every Twitch streamer YouTube streamer uses to raise money for charity.
Speaker 1: And then I launched humble House in two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: which was saying, look there's a shift, Twitches no longer
Speaker 1: about gaming. They need more premium content. Um, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be a premium content provider, but for digital. And then
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit. So during the pandemic, I produced and
Speaker 1: directed all the live script reads for the Democratic Party. Um,
Speaker 1: we did dais and confused with Matthew McConaughey. We did
Speaker 1: Rocky Horror, which Joey you would have loved. We had
Speaker 1: seventeen different musical performances from Pearl Jam. We had The
Speaker 1: Grateful Dead, we had David Arquette, they all did the
Speaker 1: music video. We had Tim Curry. We raised over a
Speaker 1: million dollars for Wisconsin. We did final Tap for Pennsylvania. Know,
Speaker 1: we did the Goonies with the original cast and during
Speaker 1: the inauguration, Jake telling me, he was like, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: doing this thing. It's real, Hillary, Like it's real, my
Speaker 1: company's real. And I know they talked about bat us
Speaker 1: On during the inauguration and they said it was the
Speaker 1: most impressive use of Hollywood they've ever seen. And uh,
Speaker 1: now we've launched Soulis so like it's now we're into
Speaker 1: Web three and all about giving talent. Hold On, hold on,
Speaker 1: I'm a grandma. You have to go back and n
Speaker 1: f t s Web three. So basically, Hillary, what I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you the future is and what we're
Speaker 1: doing giving talent the ability to work with their communities
Speaker 1: to green light their own content. So turning people like
Speaker 1: ourselves from employees to owners of their own I p God,
Speaker 1: that's the dream, right, you did it? Well, we're doing it.
Speaker 1: So we just announced our first film slate. Variety put
Speaker 1: out our film slate. Um, we're really built an ecosystem.
Speaker 1: It's a token driven ecosystem with a marketplace that allows
Speaker 1: communities to engage in content like like never, I'm so
Speaker 1: proud of you man, this is Does that mean are
Speaker 1: you just going to fund all the ship that Joyce,
Speaker 1: Sophie and I want to do? Oh, you're gonna fund
Speaker 1: it yourself? Okay, yeah, okay, Like it's this. It's this
Speaker 1: going back to where I started of like getting fired
Speaker 1: to my emi real in my hand, like I twitch, streamers, YouTubers,
Speaker 1: they have all this power over there their career. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in our careers you're told when your career ends. Yeah.
Speaker 1: All goes back to that moment for you when somebody
Speaker 1: told you this is over and that you know again,
Speaker 1: it goes back to that part of you that's always
Speaker 1: like tell me tell me one more time, tell me
Speaker 1: one more time. It's not gonna work. I'll make it work,
Speaker 1: yeah for real. So like that's that's what you know.
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for a decade now, working with
Speaker 1: talent to to engage their communities and ways that accomplishes
Speaker 1: their goals, which was raising money for charity. We built
Speaker 1: schools in Senegal with Travis van Winkl and Andy Grammer,
Speaker 1: or we raise money for reach Out Worldwide, Paul's charity,
Speaker 1: or you know, done a ton of things for charity.
Speaker 1: And now it's about because of web three and because
Speaker 1: of what we're launching, and it's not Kickstarter, it's like securitized,
Speaker 1: it's fully UM regulculated, so like communities can actually participate
Speaker 1: in the success. Amazing we can. Oh man, I got
Speaker 1: some stuff to talk to you about. This is exciting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's UM. So is what is the next big thing
Speaker 1: that we can direct people to? What's going on this
Speaker 1: summer that we can direct people to. I mean we're
Speaker 1: still building, so like I wouldn't necessarily direct anything. We're
Speaker 1: all about UM long form. So we're in the middle
Speaker 1: of like raising money and equity and token sent all
Speaker 1: that is there is there a website though, or a
Speaker 1: social platform that you would suggest people go to learn
Speaker 1: more and follow along? L S O l I S
Speaker 1: dot io UM. We named our company Solis because the
Speaker 1: sun doesn't discriminate who it shines this light upon and
Speaker 1: that's what the company is based on. It's you know,
Speaker 1: we can all everything grows from sunlight, So it's all
Speaker 1: about that. Um. So, Solis dot io is our website.
Speaker 1: We actually have tons of them. We have Soli slobs
Speaker 1: Labs dot io, have Soli Studios dot com. I'm welcome.
Speaker 1: So we have a social um Solis underscore. I oh
Speaker 1: on Twitter, But we just hired a really big PR firms,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna start getting a lot more presence and
Speaker 1: visibility out of You're so, where's Tim today? Where's Okay?
Speaker 1: So we know where Brett Clewell is today? God from
Speaker 1: like being a basketball god in high school and theater genies? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's most likely to have his own dominoes at this point?
Speaker 1: Like not, what does Tim do? Like I swear to god,
Speaker 1: I was so I wanted him to have more depth
Speaker 1: and like I as the character who played Tim, Like
Speaker 1: where is Tim? Didn't Tim and Bevin get married and
Speaker 1: have a kid? Yeah, so Tim's playing child support Like
Speaker 1: that's the best we can expect. He would have paid it.
Speaker 1: But they're definitely you couldn't be married to Tim for
Speaker 1: longer than twenty years. No, But I'm still friends with
Speaker 1: the tims of my high school, and I cherished those boys.
Speaker 1: I think those boys grow up sometimes to be nice guys.
Speaker 1: They do. I mean I was, Yeah, they do. I
Speaker 1: didn't say he was. I mean he had a good heart.
Speaker 1: He never did anything, you know, and Sally wrong. Um,
Speaker 1: he was a puppy dog. He was a sweet guy.
Speaker 1: So he's still doing the right thing. Um, he's probably
Speaker 1: just struggling to make ends meet, to be honest. Well,
Speaker 1: it's been a wheel, shall we Let's see you know
Speaker 1: about this. We spin a wheel bread for most likely
Speaker 1: to like in the high school relatives on the show.
Speaker 1: Will you spend the wheel with us? Yes, I'll spend
Speaker 1: the wheel with you. Let's do it. So you gotta
Speaker 1: help us pick somebody who this is in real life?
Speaker 1: And on the show we have two. We have two answers. Okay,
Speaker 1: somebody read it? Okay. Most likely to have a cooking show? Okay,
Speaker 1: so which character on the show is going to have
Speaker 1: a cooking show? I mean that Bevan feels like if
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say it, she'd be like Giada,
Speaker 1: just stirring bulls in her bosom. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: With their strong arms that are good hands, right, at
Speaker 1: least of Goldstein. I think could have also million millions.
Speaker 1: I mean Karen owns that would have been my choice.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. But Karen would have turned into like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she would have been like a guru. She'd have like
Speaker 1: books and like she had brands and target Like Karen
Speaker 1: would have blown up in that world. I like that. Wait,
Speaker 1: does anybody have a cooking show in real life? From
Speaker 1: our show? I feel like it's hard to think it's you. Hillary.
Speaker 1: I think you should have a kind of you, but
Speaker 1: I don't have a cookie. But you published a book
Speaker 1: with recipes in it, but you have to put it
Speaker 1: on a network where you can cuss. Yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: been the problem you guys. You know, we shopped a
Speaker 1: Mischief Farm show and everyone wanted me to really like
Speaker 1: sanitize it and be all like squeaky clean, and I
Speaker 1: was like, sorry, not happening. You take us, so you
Speaker 1: leave us? Yeah, take us to leave us? Um, all right,
Speaker 1: maybe one a kid, George, do you want a cooking show? No,
Speaker 1: she doesn't know. She's just like you're just like Princess Pizza,
Speaker 1: right yeah. Um, so, Tim, you'd be a big hit
Speaker 1: in the Morgan House because this one only eats pizza.
Speaker 1: Tim tonight he bring him again like in season five. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like Tim character Tim coming through the door
Speaker 1: and the door locking behind him was delicious. I loved
Speaker 1: that episode. Will you you have to you have to
Speaker 1: come back for that one? I will absolutely That was
Speaker 1: the one episode that I actually, like, really enjoyed. That
Speaker 1: was fun. That was fun. It was fun to come
Speaker 1: back and be like, Hey, guys, was that taking over
Speaker 1: the world? I miss you so much? When are we
Speaker 1: going to see you again? When are you coming eat?
Speaker 1: I would love to see you. Are you in l
Speaker 1: A right now? Now? We're going litterally going to can
Speaker 1: for the first time. Congress awesome, Texas and New York.
Speaker 1: I'm traveling a lot right now. We're just in Miami,
Speaker 1: but but I would love to see you. Hey, do
Speaker 1: you want to say a big funk you to all
Speaker 1: the people that told you you put? I want to
Speaker 1: thank you because I wouldn't North Carolina boy. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: say you when we're off. Okay, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming to hang out with It's so nice to
Speaker 1: see you you guys. That was actually that was that
Speaker 1: was a nice conversation. Glad that we got to catch up.
Speaker 1: Me too. I totally feel what he was saying about
Speaker 1: being told that you're not enough and then to come
Speaker 1: and just like kick all the ass feels so good,
Speaker 1: so good. Well, we're going to explore it next week,
Speaker 1: Season two, episode twenty two, The Tide that Came and
Speaker 1: Never Went Back. I think there's lots of as kicking
Speaker 1: that Dan is probably preparing to attempt to do. And
Speaker 1: and how are Brooke and Lucas going to be rooming? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be real interesting. Oh my, just friends and
Speaker 1: nothing more, nothing more. Well, come back and see us
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