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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama, Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school queens. We'll take you for a rod in

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Speaker 1: our comic girl cheering for the drama Queens up Girl Fashion,

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Speaker 1: Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama, Drawn MC Queen's Drama,

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Speaker 1: Queen's Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens. We're here to

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Speaker 1: talk about Nathan returning home from the hospital with unpaid

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Speaker 1: bills in episode twenty one of season two what could

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Speaker 1: have been air date May seventeen, two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: So Nathan's poor, The friends throw them a movie night

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Speaker 1: fundraiser at Trick. Lucas is determined to take down Dan

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Speaker 1: So then that gut at the end hurt. The scene

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Speaker 1: kind of felt like, I mean, we know everything that

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Speaker 1: So there's not a lot that happens, but it's preparing.

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Speaker 1: And it was interesting to me because I felt like

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Speaker 1: and suddenly he's like this wise sage oracle, who's just all, what,

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Speaker 1: What does that make Dan Hillary called it, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: page that was a suggestion of something funny, and you

426
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: made it hilarious, and so they just kept giving you that. Yeah,

427
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: that's very kind. They should have paid you better, bro. Yeah,

428
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: it was so nice to see all those Carolina boys,

429
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: like sitting around a table kind of shooting the felt

430
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: really good, and the three of us were kind of

431
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: reflecting on how we wish we'd gotten to have so

432
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: much more of that. Said that all the time, like

433
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if you guys, but we

434
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: got together. I hung out way more with the ball

435
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 1: players on the team. In a way, Um, I grew up,

436
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, I want to stay. Championship in North Carolina

437
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: was in the high school. I'm the I'm the only

438
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: white kid to ever play at my high school ever. Still, really,

439
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: what was your high school? Dudley High School. My high

440
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: school team, we were the number one ranked public school

441
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: in the nation, were the number twelve in the country.

442
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: My senior year, um Brendan Haywood who played for with

443
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: Lebron and played he played in the NBA. He was

444
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: my high school center. Um. We had three straight State

445
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: Player of the Years on the team, so a sophomore, junior, senior, like,

446
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: we had a ridiculous high school. We lost Oak Hill

447
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: and then we lost in dope double over time to

448
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: like a state school who was runner up the year before.

449
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: So we lost two games all year. And I missed

450
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: the Oak Hill game because I had a play. It

451
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: wasn't I was doing. Uh never saw another Butterfly, which

452
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: was a story about concentration camps. Oh my god boy

453
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: and a girl that wrote letters to each other across

454
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: the wall and it was like competition theater. So we

455
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: had like the state play. So I had to go

456
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: because I was Hanza as the lead in the play.

457
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: So I had to miss the game to go do

458
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: the play a playoff. Yeah, but so North Carolina there

459
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: was state theater. I went to a Weaver which in

460
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: nor in Greensboro, there was a school that if your

461
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: school didn't offer a program, you could do it at this.

462
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: So it was all the schools in the county and

463
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: it was the county theaters. It was two periods diffen

464
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: sixth period and it was like the best actors from

465
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: the area and it was like really cool to get into.

466
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: They won the state play every other year because they

467
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't let you win it back to back years. It

468
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: was just a really cool I've been doing theater since

469
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 1: I was in six years old, doing children's theater, Like

470
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: I was always love theater and I always would do that,

471
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: Like I would find when I was a kid. There's

472
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: videos of like I would. We did Winnie the Pooh

473
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: and I gave my character a really strong Southern accent

474
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: even though it wasn't in the script, Like it was

475
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: always like trying to make the audience laugh. Um. But

476
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: I just never saw it as a career and then

477
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: I was Yeah, I went to school for architecture. That's

478
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: what my degree was in. I had an architectural job. Yeah,

479
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm I was an architect. I worked at a firm

480
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: for two years before um Once Your Hill. I quit

481
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: my job two weeks before college because my theater professor

482
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: was like, you should go try this and I was like, wait,

483
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: you you can make it from North Carolina to act,

484
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: and so I quit my job. First job in Wilmington's

485
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: was delivering pizzas. That's why I was a pizza boy.

486
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: In season five, they were they were trying to I

487
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: think we just lost. She'll come back, She'll be back anyway.

488
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: They did that on purpose to kind of like it

489
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: was like a little poke but hap okay, so you okay,

490
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: wait a second, So you've got a job as a

491
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: pizza delivery in real life, and then how do you

492
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: end up on One Tree Hill? From that? I did

493
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: Dawson's Creek before I was actually cast in the season

494
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: finale of series finale of Dawson's and the pilot of

495
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: Onetreal at the same time. What I didn't get to

496
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: do Dawson's. You are blowing my mind right now because

497
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: the fact that there's a whole chunk of your life

498
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm realizing none of us knew because you came in

499
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: with the basketball team. We all literally thought you auditioned

500
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: playing basketball out of college, Like you feel like a

501
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: CIA agent to me right now, you had a whole

502
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: other life we didn't even know about. Knew the finn Canons.

503
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: I've been there about six months. I knew the thing Canons.

504
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: I was actually out of town and I drove back because, um,

505
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: you guys knew where. I'm not going to mention, but

506
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: my girlfriend's mother, uh passed away in between me auditioning

507
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: and me getting the part. So I was in Texas.

508
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: I drove back from Texas because her mother was in

509
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: the hospital. Um, I got to I actually sent in

510
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: to the finn Cannons a video of me playing basketb ball,

511
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: just because you're doing a basketball show. You only know

512
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: me as an actor. Here's me playing ball. I was

513
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: just I sent a letter to Craig ping Cannon. I

514
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: was like, there's a loud. I didn't know how it worked.

515
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just gonna hustle and hey, I

516
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: got in on Friday. UM audition on Friday. I knew

517
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: they had open trials for basketball, so I was like, hey,

518
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: can I come in there? Like it's just for extras.

519
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: I was like I'll come anyway because I knew, and

520
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: like I came, like, yeah, there's two hundred people there.

521
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: We did three on three three on two drills, which

522
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: we're doing like a we've drill. I go down the

523
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 1: first time down, I like fake this way. I wrapped

524
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: the ball around behind my back. The guy's lay. All

525
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: the guys like I don't I know some of the

526
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: guys because I play ball, but like they all go up.

527
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm backing down the court on defense and I'm pointing

528
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: up at Mark like I literally pointed. So then the

529
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: continuation of the story they had they had somebody else's

530
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: picture on the wall for Tim. He's a friend of mine.

531
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: Actually I knew the guy was, so they already had

532
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: somebody else they had selected. And then Mark told me

533
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: I got the part, and the full, true, true story

534
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: is My phone rang a minute later and her mother

535
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: had just passed away. Oh God, God, you Hillary, but

536
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: you know who it was. Yeah. I drew back from

537
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: Texas to be with her, and I stayed in Wilmington's

538
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: because I wanted the part. And it was always painful

539
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: because she wanted me with her and I couldn't see her.

540
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: And I got the part, but it was literally hand

541
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: in hand. So it's when I was so protective over

542
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: her the whole time because um, I told her mother

543
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: I would look over her and watch over and um

544
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: she's doing it now she has children, she's yeah. But

545
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: it was crazy that we're all growing up with kids now,

546
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I'm not growing up?

547
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: Who are you talking about? I've got pictures. I've got

548
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: pictures that I took on the pilot on like a

549
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: film camera where I still had to like go take

550
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: it over the costco and get the film developed. And

551
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: you two were together in those pictures and like Chad's

552
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: a baby and one I'm a picture of Antonine like

553
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: chewing with his mouth open like a babys those days

554
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: so fun. Yeah, babies. I have a I literally have

555
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: a photo album. That's how old it was, literally yea

556
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: clipped through. Really Yeah you post pictures? Will you postmen? Yeah?

557
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: There's yeah, I can post wait wait wait, but Brett,

558
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean yes, I want to see whatever you have

559
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: in that photo album. But I also want to know

560
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: do you think the finn Cannons have video of that

561
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: basketball day? Because we need it like that auditions, because

562
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: that's where we met Um Jabbar. Yeah, yeah, all those

563
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: because we we used to all. When you play ball,

564
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: and that's just like part of your passion. You go

565
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: to a new city and you're like, where are the

566
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 1: pickup courts? We actually all played pickup before, Like I

567
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: used to go to MP Park, which is where Michael

568
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: Jordan grew up playing, and like it was all hood people.

569
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: One of my dudes, I brought some white dudes there.

570
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: They didn't know how it worked. They said too much,

571
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: and he got his tooth knocked out and like meeting

572
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: out of his mouth because he said the long thing.

573
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: Kind of good. Maybe not, but like we all bawled

574
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: together and like these rough neighborhoods and then we end

575
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: up on a TV show together, so we're like, oh,

576
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: so wait, who'd you know from before? Who were you

577
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: hanging out back before I bowed with Garion, before I

578
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: bawled with Jabbar, before um Daniel came down from uh,

579
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: I think Carolina somewhere, so I hadn't played with him. Um,

580
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: I think I've probably played with Vaughan before. V and

581
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: Vaughan was like really a baller in high school, like

582
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: like legit um, but like, yeah, we all just kind

583
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: of some of us knew each other, some of us didn't. Um,

584
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: but yeah, there has to be video of that day

585
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: of where like we met the Ravens for the first time. Oh,

586
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: we're going to get it, get it. I love all

587
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: our team photos, like I always get happy when fans

588
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: tack us and are like team photos with the whole

589
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: Childing squad, with the whole basketball team, because the line

590
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: between fact and fiction has gotten just thinner and thinner

591
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: and thinner as we've gotten older. There was a show

592
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: behind the show at all time. What do you remember

593
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: about getting to Wilmington's and getting to know this whole crew,

594
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: all the people that you didn't know before, and the

595
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: beauty of what I worked with the crew before. Once

596
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: youre hill right, summer catch, I did Dawson's and I

597
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: did a bunch of other things on the lot. Like

598
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: I was like I was a like I just didn't

599
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: know the world. I was just like, I'm gonna break

600
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: my way in. So I started as a p A yeah,

601
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: and I started as an extra. Then I met my

602
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: agent as an extra. Then I started auditioning, and then

603
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: I booked everything. So like in Wilmington's, I booked like

604
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: seven straight jobs. So that's what wasn't down. And the

605
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: cannons were like, you should come back, and I was

606
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: kind of like, there, I would, they would just if

607
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: I went in the room. I felt like I was

608
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: going to walk out of the room with the job.

609
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: A dream feeling for an actor. I didn't know l A.

610
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know because hey, by the way,

611
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: like neither did I though, And I think maybe that's

612
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: why we became friends, Brett, because I was incredibly intimidated

613
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: by l A. And you were also like, I don't

614
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing out there, Like it was scary

615
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: because we came from the East Coast and when you're

616
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: a young actor, all that pressure to like go to

617
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: l A and make it and do pilot season and

618
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: like do all those kinds of rituals that were told

619
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: are the things that you're supposed to do. That didn't

620
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: work for me, you know, and it and it was

621
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: weird for me because I didn't know l A enough

622
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: to be like the times where I'm like, wait, I

623
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: mean the hierarchy. I was always someone like people told

624
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: me I'd never make the basketball team at my school, right,

625
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: People told me I'd never get into architecture school. People

626
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: have told me my whole life what I couldn't do,

627
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: and I love the ability to prove them wrong. So

628
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: in this world, to my detriment, at times, in this world,

629
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: I there was a hierarchy. I didn't get it. I

630
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I can work my way to where

631
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: I want to be. You guys are all flying to TRL.

632
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, why am I still here in our house?

633
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: Like that looks fun? And I together? Right? Yeah? The

634
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: first week, two weeks, Chad, James and I lived together. Um,

635
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, James and I lived together.

636
00:36:52,840 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: Remember all that wait talk about the house that you

637
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: guys lived in. I came to Garden. Oh my god,

638
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: you had that creepy ass haunted house and Hillary, I

639
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: will never forget you. And I went over there with

640
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: like bags of stuff from the bath and beyond because

641
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: we were like, we cannot let them live like this.

642
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: That was my fault. That was because they were gone

643
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like a North Carolina boy. Were rinsed like

644
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars a month, and I'm like, I'm making it.

645
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm a pizza boy, and They're like, get us a house,

646
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, uh, looks cool. Your cell was strong.

647
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: Breath's like, we've got a place on the beach, on

648
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: the water, the water from between the openings in the crypt.

649
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: You can guys, it was a brick house at the beach.

650
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: It was like they had like gargoyles and all of

651
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: you know that house forwarding gargoyles, gargoyles and those like

652
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: scary metal awnings from like the nineteen thirties that are spiky.

653
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: I had never looked at houses in my life. It's amazing.

654
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: I was a resident advisor for three years in college. Yeah,

655
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: I never lived off campus. Get it, Like, so I

656
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: didn't know. And then they and then I didn't even

657
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: see the house because I was in Greensboro. I come

658
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: back and I'm like, oh, I felt the same way.

659
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: I was just trying. We didn't have like zillo or

660
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: the Internet. I was just telling the girls that there

661
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: was a summer in college where my best friend and I,

662
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: who roomed together at USC, We're like, well, we got

663
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: to get an apartment. We're obviously not moving home, but

664
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: we couldn't afford an apartment, so we got a studio

665
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,959
Speaker 1: and we just put two beds in, just like Brooke

666
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: and Haley did. In like the end of season two.

667
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: We just were like, yeah, we can all sleep in

668
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: this room. It'll be fine, we can eat here. Who cares,

669
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: we're not going home. I get it, dude, It's it's

670
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: a struggle when you're a kid young. And I was like, Hillary,

671
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: you've said one time you were like, oh, you were immature,

672
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I thought about that, and I actually

673
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: I will immature. There's just a difference between an immature

674
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: forty four year old and an immature year old. I

675
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: was too young to be picking houses. I did my best.

676
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: I failed. We moved on. Dude, you picked a weird house.

677
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: I picked an apartment that I loved, except I didn't

678
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: consider the fact that it was over a bar. When

679
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: I went to look at it at like two PM

680
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: and my first night in my first department in Wilmington's,

681
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: I was like, I've made a grave mistake. I've lived

682
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: above a bar. And I was like, this is the

683
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: best choice. Coming from New York. Hillary is like this

684
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: is like mid day, Like yeah, quiet in New York.

685
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: I invested in good ear plugs and then I was okay,

686
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: obviously okay enough that I gave myself amnesia because the

687
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: last two years I was there, I lived over a

688
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: bar again. I love you. I need especially coming like

689
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: you know, he'll coming from East Coast and from New York.

690
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: When when I moved to California, first thing I saw

691
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: it out was noise at night. It drove me crazy

692
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: that I it was. I had moved to an apartment.

693
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: A friend of mine had a room open up in

694
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, and I moved into this place on Olympics.

695
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: So quiet, it was so deadly quiet. It was I

696
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: could never sleep. I could. I needed the noise. So

697
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: I love that. I still sleep wearing your plugs like

698
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: I like New York could train me on that when

699
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: you got five am call times like now, I can't

700
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: sleep without him. I sleep your plugs and a pillow

701
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: over my face just like a smile, breathing hello for

702
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: being over my head. How do you how do you

703
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: set an alarm if you're wearing your plugs? Kids, the

704
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: alarms loud enough to make me up and uh, but yeah,

705
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: I couldn't the trash trucks at four am in New

706
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: York and couldn't sleep, couldn't sleep. But you were in

707
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: New York for years I did two years on a soap. Yeah,

708
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: that's right, and that was a really big deal, Brett.

709
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: It was. It's the it's the proudest thing. Well as

710
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: an actor, it's the proudest thing in my career. I

711
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: think I've done sense that I'm more proud of at

712
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: this point. But it's hard work. Yeah, But how often

713
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: in your career as an actor do you get to

714
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: change the real world and have an effect on the

715
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: real world. We were the first gay love story in

716
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: the history of daytime television. We were the first game

717
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: love scene in the history of television periods. Was it

718
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: one life for all my children? One life to live?

719
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: One life? What years were you on two thousand and

720
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: eight to two thousand ten? So we started the storyline

721
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: gay marriage was not legal in the United States. When

722
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: we ended it, it was legal in five states, which

723
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: is a big part of that right now. Yeah, waiving

724
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: that flag of like you know, I worked with Chris

725
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: Scot Scott Evans, Chris Evans brother, Yeah, and there was

726
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, it was personal to a lot. It was

727
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: a very difficult time for me as a as a man,

728
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: and it was an incredibly important part of my story

729
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: of becoming who I am now and like, um, you know,

730
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: being from North Carolina at a time where that was

731
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: a hot topic and um being able to um one

732
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: as an actor. You know, it's you know, really instantaneously

733
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: when you kissed someone of the same sex, whether or

734
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: not you're a homosexual or heterosexual. You know, it taught

735
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: me a lot as a man of like you know,

736
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: the just that topic at that time, you know, being

737
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: a thirty year old in New York. Um. And but

738
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: it also um it, it just was it was a

739
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: lot of a lot the shoulder at that time of

740
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: like who I was when I started the role versus

741
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: who I was when I ended it, of like who

742
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: am I and what do I stand for? And you know,

743
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: equality was so part so important to me of why

744
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: I took the role, which I wasn't cast in that role.

745
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: They cast something else and three months later they're like,

746
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: this is your part, And I had to like think

747
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: about that. But it was, Yeah, I look back and

748
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: during the time and after it like it was just

749
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: one of the things I'm most proud of in my

750
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: entire life. Do you feel like that experience taught you

751
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: how to be an advocate? Like how to put yourself

752
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: in other people's shoes. Um, yes, a lot. Yes, I

753
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: mean I, like I said, I was a resonant advisor

754
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: for three years. I went through a lot of like training. Um.

755
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: You know, I went through a lot of experiences during

756
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: that time with with you know, how to be of

757
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: how to be someone that UM listens and processes. And

758
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, we have two years in one mouth for

759
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: a reason, right, we'll put on this planet to listen

760
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: more than we speak. It's hard hard for me to

761
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: say because UM, but UM, yeah, so so if I

762
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: would say, I mean, you don't know what someone else

763
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: is going through until you walk in their shoes, right,

764
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: And I spent two years you know, there were times

765
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: where so many people questioned my actual um placement in

766
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: this world, in the real world, because of a part

767
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: I was playing. Right. I went through some element of

768
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: that with my family, with people I grew up with

769
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: with you know, being a voice that's supposed to represent

770
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: that community in some small way. So I absolutely learned

771
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: how to be an ally and an advocate and like, UM,

772
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: empathize so much with UM that but also to me,

773
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: the fact that it was an issue at all was appalling.

774
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: You know, that's because I said this when I took

775
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: the role. My job as an actor is just to

776
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: tell the truth. And the truth of this is these

777
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: two human beings love each other. What else matters, like

778
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: why do we fight so hard to get in the

779
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: way of love? We should create pathways and roadways and

780
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: causeways to create more love in the universe and in

781
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: our world. So that's what I knew from day one. Um,

782
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: I learned more of what the struggle was through that process. Well,

783
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about is why we get into storytelling as

784
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: actors in the first place. Is two be able to

785
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: tell stories that effect change. But also you do you

786
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: learn how to walk in other people's shoes by just

787
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: being efficient at your job and doing the research and

788
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: talking with people who are similar to your character and

789
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: you know, finding your way. I don't. I don't know

790
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: anyone who's a good actor that doesn't know how to

791
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: really empathize. I mean that truly is our job. Now,

792
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: maybe that's why so many of us are messy because

793
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: we empathize. You know, our whole job is to be

794
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: able to feel all the feelings and so how do

795
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: you turn it off when you go home? And eleven

796
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: years later, I have tears coming up from thee. I

797
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: were so proud of you, honestly, because you know, we

798
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: have had to reckon with some things on this show

799
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: as we've watched it back together of like, uh, that

800
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: didn't age well, you know, And this whole season two

801
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: is the a a storyline where Daniel Alonso is coming

802
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: out on our show, and our show did some like

803
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 1: dorky stuff. But that's that's one storyline that I think

804
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 1: was handled really well. I wish she would have stuck

805
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: around um, but you're right. The conversation in you know,

806
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: two thousand eight was hundred different than the conversations that

807
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: we're having now, and you contributed to making that easier

808
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: for people. That's a big deal. How many moms watch

809
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: One Life to Live that all of a sudden are like, Oh,

810
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go talk to my son about his attractions

811
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: or the person he loves and it's okay. That's when

812
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: really understood the gravitas of it was the fan mail. Really,

813
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: That's where, Yeah, there were dozens and dozens of those

814
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: type you know, I wish Cameo existed. Then fan mail

815
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: is amazing, you guys. I just went through my storage

816
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: unit and I found bins of fan mail that I

817
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: still didn't answer because I'm so you know a d

818
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: D that I just didn't know. It was just like

819
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 1: piled up in a thing. But I did go through

820
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: some of them, and it is it's so cool to

821
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: see the things that people were affected by and what

822
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: they're going through. I mean, and we still see it

823
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: all the time. The fans will come out to the conventions,

824
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: and he did so much in that regard, like you

825
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: are heroes and best friends and confidants and um and

826
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: in some ways role models, which sometimes I'm sure you

827
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: are like, uh, maybe this isn't the show that you'd

828
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: want to be today, but like that that you did

829
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: so much for young women and now older women, and

830
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: like I applauding older women who like the one beautiful

831
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: thing about this show is like we now connect with

832
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: mothers and their daughters who both weird. It's so cool.

833
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: I know. It makes blose my mind now that I

834
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: see when I again we do the conventions and we

835
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: see the people that come out. Have you got to

836
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: do any conventions you have? I've seen It's vention. I

837
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 1: went to there's a video of like Brett and I

838
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: like totally wasted behind the j Yes, you're one of

839
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: the last people I saw before. Yeah, those things are

840
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: those things are wild. Like it started as a show

841
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: about basketball, but it legitimately became a show about I

842
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: believe you ladies. You know, you really carried and I

843
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: think at that time, like I look back on it

844
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it was so important. It would not

845
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: have the cold. I just saw Ben Mackenzie at Bitcoin Miami,

846
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: like we talked first time, Like I've never met him before.

847
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: We just did a little whatever you want I talked

848
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: to and you were like, whatever your arrival, that's us.

849
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: That what we said. But like, I believe the reason

850
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: this show carried was because of the storylines, the work

851
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: that you ladies did, because you know, because it became

852
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: it became about more. It was a basketball show that

853
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: how long can that run? And it became about so

854
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: much more. And I think you guys really carried that

855
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: torch and just did a great job. And I think

856
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: you you mean so much to people. So when I

857
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: talk about one and I feel there and that's what

858
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: has your wife seen? One Tree Hill? Never what you're

859
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: so funny, I don't see it. I'm like, I'm a

860
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: one note character. It is not at all you're wrong.

861
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: There was there was no depth, there was no like,

862
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: I guess you're wrong. You haven't, Brett. You need to

863
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: watch I think more casting directors needed to watch that

864
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: damn show. I know I'm being okay, I'm being obstinate,

865
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: and I'm saying you're wrong. But here's why. Let me

866
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: explain exactly why you're wrong. I've never been one to

867
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: shy away from an argument telling someone where they're wrong. God, sorry, um, okay,

868
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: here's why I think you're wrong. Because there are so

869
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: many and we've said this multiple times. Whenever you're in

870
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: a scene, there are so many people who could show

871
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: up and see those lines on the page and do

872
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: them one note, one dimensional, with no depth or anything.

873
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: The fact is that you are interesting to watch because

874
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: you always are thinking. Regardless of whether Tim is thinking

875
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: about dumb things or weird things or nothing, you are

876
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: thinking through Tim, and it's interesting to watch anyone who

877
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: is thinking. There's a lot of actors who come up

878
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: and they show up and they all they're thinking is

879
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: say this line. My brain is totally empty. And then

880
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk over here and I do the thing,

881
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: and you didn't. You didn't. You always had something going

882
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: on internally, and we saw it as an audience member,

883
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: and that's why we all fell in love with you,

884
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: and that's why the audience fell in love with you,

885
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: and that's why you kept coming back to the show.

886
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: There is no world in which you were a one

887
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: note actor. And to add to Joy's point, it's it's

888
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: an amazing thing for us having started this show, to

889
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: go back and rewatch our TV show and we see

890
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: things we didn't see that. You know, we would catch

891
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: an episode here and there, but mostly we were working.

892
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: And it is so clear from this sort of bird's

893
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: eye view vantage point of being adults, all of us

894
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: have gone and worked on other things. We've all produced

895
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: other things. We know what it is. We're not as

896
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: clueless and unaware, you know, as we were when we

897
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: were just kind of bopping around doing what we were told.

898
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: Bopping around is the perfect way to describe it. We

899
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: were just bottling around like we didn't know anything, you know,

900
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: and we were like little ducklings. And now we're now,

901
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: we're grown, and you are so much fun to watch.

902
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: And nobody knew back then what we know now. But

903
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: you're you know, we were just a group of friends

904
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: doing dumb ship. Your talent going back and watching it

905
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: as grown ups is like so next level, and it's

906
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: crazy to hear things that we all realized we didn't

907
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: know because we just thought we all kind of got

908
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: pucked out of college, Like duh. Of course your perspective

909
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: was so good. You had other things in your tool

910
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: kit that nobody else did. He's a real basketball pro.

911
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: Episode one, like the pilot, like it said Tim Smith

912
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: six f chisel. I'm like, that's not me? Is that

913
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: really what the description was? I'm pretty sure it was

914
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: supposed to be a big guy, not me. That's true, you, Yeah,

915
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: but I just looked at each scene like I'm a

916
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: supporting actor the scenes not about me. So what does

917
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: the scene need? Yeah? But what kind of energy does

918
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 1: this moment need? You're timing with impeccable always, that's true.

919
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: I don't I remember it so differently, so it it

920
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: means it so, But tell us though, because you added

921
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: a layer of vulnerability to everything. You know, it's like

922
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: Tim talks a big game, but you also see the

923
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: like little kid in him when we watched the show back,

924
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: and I know just from like talking to you there

925
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: and and from our experience, there was a layer of

926
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: vulnerability to being a young actor on a hit TV

927
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: show where there's no footing, where you're constantly being told

928
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: like you're lucky to have a job. You know, like

929
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: how much of that real life vulnerability bled into what

930
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: you were doing? I was, you know, there's a thin

931
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: line between confidence and cockyness, very thin line. I played

932
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: on that line my whole life, like I just tight

933
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: rope that line. So in some ways that I was

934
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: told that so much, you know, like I that was

935
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: beaten to my head thirty three episodes, you know, season two,

936
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: I was flying myself back down to women. You know,

937
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: season two, Lee and I were roommates in l A.

938
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: They would put him in a car and take him

939
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: to the airport. I would have to get myself to

940
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: the airport. I would have to fly myself. I would

941
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: have to find a place to stay. They would not

942
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: put me up for like eight episodes. I've done twenty

943
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: episodes at this point, you know. So there was always

944
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: this little like underlying thing of like, you know, you're

945
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: lucky that we gave you this job. Never you earned

946
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: this job, You're lucky you got this part never you

947
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: deserve this, you know. But I grew up in a household. Um.

948
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: I love my family, I'll say that. But I grew

949
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: up in the household where um, verbal affirmation was not

950
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: a you know. UM. I was always trying to prove

951
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: myself through like sports and through school and like get

952
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: good grades and pay my way through college. And it

953
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 1: was never necessarily receiving the words that I wanted to hear.

954
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: I was kind of groomed for this, and I was

955
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: like cold and let me go get I'm the youngest,

956
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: but my my dad had a stroke when I was fourteen,

957
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: in front of me playing basketball, so we I grew

958
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: up like my my brother and sister were gone. So

959
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of a younger child, a little

960
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: bit of an only child. I went through things where

961
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: it was like I just knew, um. I even when

962
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: I first started on one treel on my wall in

963
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: front of me before I lived, I had written and

964
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: sharpiest said I will not fail. Every morning I woke

965
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: up because it was like, I know that the only

966
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: time I will ever fail at anything is when I

967
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: give up. Otherwise it just hasn't happened in the time

968
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: frame you expected. It too, but the only failure is

969
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: actually giving up. So I was like, great, it just

970
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: was fuel for me. Keep telling me I don't deserve this,

971
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: Keep telling me I shouldn't move to l A, keep

972
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: telling me I won't get another job, keep telling me

973
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: whatever you want to tell me. God they loved that,

974
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: didn't they. Well you ever get another job? Yeah? Yeah,

975
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: And it's like great, I'm now on another job and

976
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: I'm not available, so you can wait for my neck.

977
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: That's a fun feeling. I'm unavailable. I remember when I

978
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: booked a movie Lee Wood. I came back and was like, yeah,

979
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: Hillary was telling congrats for booking a movie, like like

980
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: you guys that were like knew I booked something. So

981
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I just um, it was motivation.

982
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: It was really dumb, and I was, you know, I

983
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 1: was just too fragile to show it. And I masked

984
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: everything with comedy, so like it was who I wasn't

985
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: real life too. Um, That's why I didn't really become

986
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: a good actor until One Life to Live. That's when

987
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: I I don't know, but but but you're wrong, because

988
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: I think your ability to do dramatic work, yeah, really

989
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: really shows itself in your comedy, you know, and so

990
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: it's weird to me that you, you know, went from

991
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: doing all the heavy lifting with the comedy on our

992
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: show to doing something so serious right afterwards. Um, were

993
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: you funny on One Life to Live? Did you get

994
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: to be funny? That was? I mean the it's the

995
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: last job I ever did. And you'll know why when

996
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: I say this. I got pre nominated for an Emmy

997
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: my first season and I'm walking in with Miami reel

998
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: and the EP calls me in and he says, tomorrow's

999
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: your last day in the job. What I got fut

1000
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: because we were doing a gay love story. We were

1001
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: in Bible Belt Soap Operas Network Plus. When I started

1002
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: that there were five soaps in New York. When I finished,

1003
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: we were the last one. There was already already the exodus. Yea,

1004
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: those shows were they were out. Everything's in l A.

1005
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: It was too expensive to be in New York. It

1006
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: was just hot, but it was. It was just a

1007
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: randomness of I'm turning in my Emmy reel and I

1008
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: don't have a job, so I I kind of got

1009
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: rid of all my reps and I was like, I

1010
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: need a break, and we started the company and I

1011
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: have an act UM well. I co founded the largest

1012
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: crowdfunding platform in the world for live streaming. We've raised

1013
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: UM hundreds of millions of dollars for charity since two

1014
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,919
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen. We have over three thousand charities on the platform. UM.

1015
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: So that's what I stream. Is it concerts? Is it

1016
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: like Ted talk kind of stuff? Like what is it?

1017
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: What do you stream? I produced game for Paul with

1018
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: the cast of Furious seven to raise money for Paul

1019
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: Walker's charity, and Paul passed away. I worked with Cody

1020
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: and Ben and Direse and Michelle and so we did

1021
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: that for four years. UM tilt if I is basically

1022
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: we democratized that Jerry Lewis telethon model. So I was

1023
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: you guys probably remember playing lots of video games back

1024
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: in the day. I went to architecture school, so we

1025
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: designed what's now known as an E sports arena. But

1026
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: we designed it in two thousand and eight. UM did

1027
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: my first event in two thousand eleven. Had Zac Efron

1028
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: and Chris Evans and Michael Straight and and and uh

1029
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: and Snoop and we had Rampage Jackson versus the MS

1030
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: in UFC fighting in front of eight hundred people. We're

1031
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: any News and Access Hollywood, and I would walk into

1032
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: see A and William Morris and they're like, nobody's ever

1033
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: gonna watch people play video games literally quote that's what

1034
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: they told me. So nobody. Twitch didn't exist, None of

1035
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 1: the gaming exists. I just used to throw these big

1036
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: super Bowl events and we would we would play like

1037
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: side Room, and more people would come watches play Madden.

1038
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: Then we're watching the super Bowl. So I had like

1039
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: this a pivot and it's like the architecture side of

1040
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: like see the problem before and move. Then Twitch launched,

1041
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: so we pivoted. We stopped doing events, we launched, we

1042
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: built the platform, we launched the platform. It's now what

1043
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: every Twitch streamer YouTube streamer uses to raise money for charity.

1044
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: And then I launched humble House in two thousand nineteen,

1045
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: which was saying, look there's a shift, Twitches no longer

1046
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: about gaming. They need more premium content. Um, we're gonna

1047
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: be a premium content provider, but for digital. And then

1048
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit. So during the pandemic, I produced and

1049
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: directed all the live script reads for the Democratic Party. Um,

1050
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: we did dais and confused with Matthew McConaughey. We did

1051
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: Rocky Horror, which Joey you would have loved. We had

1052
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: seventeen different musical performances from Pearl Jam. We had The

1053
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 1: Grateful Dead, we had David Arquette, they all did the

1054
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: music video. We had Tim Curry. We raised over a

1055
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: million dollars for Wisconsin. We did final Tap for Pennsylvania. Know,

1056
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: we did the Goonies with the original cast and during

1057
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: the inauguration, Jake telling me, he was like, Hey, I'm

1058
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Speaker 1: doing this thing. It's real, Hillary, Like it's real, my

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Speaker 1: company's real. And I know they talked about bat us

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Speaker 1: On during the inauguration and they said it was the

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Speaker 1: most impressive use of Hollywood they've ever seen. And uh,

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Speaker 1: now we've launched Soulis so like it's now we're into

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Speaker 1: Web three and all about giving talent. Hold On, hold on,

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Speaker 1: I'm a grandma. You have to go back and n

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Speaker 1: f t s Web three. So basically, Hillary, what I'm

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Speaker 1: going to tell you the future is and what we're

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Speaker 1: doing giving talent the ability to work with their communities

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Speaker 1: to green light their own content. So turning people like

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Speaker 1: ourselves from employees to owners of their own I p God,

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Speaker 1: that's the dream, right, you did it? Well, we're doing it.

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Speaker 1: So we just announced our first film slate. Variety put

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Speaker 1: out our film slate. Um, we're really built an ecosystem.

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Speaker 1: It's a token driven ecosystem with a marketplace that allows

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Speaker 1: communities to engage in content like like never, I'm so

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Speaker 1: proud of you man, this is Does that mean are

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Speaker 1: you just going to fund all the ship that Joyce,

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Speaker 1: Sophie and I want to do? Oh, you're gonna fund

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Speaker 1: it yourself? Okay, yeah, okay, Like it's this. It's this

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Speaker 1: going back to where I started of like getting fired

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Speaker 1: to my emi real in my hand, like I twitch, streamers, YouTubers,

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Speaker 1: they have all this power over there their career. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and in our careers you're told when your career ends. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All goes back to that moment for you when somebody

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01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: told you this is over and that you know again,

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Speaker 1: it goes back to that part of you that's always

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Speaker 1: like tell me tell me one more time, tell me

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Speaker 1: one more time. It's not gonna work. I'll make it work,

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Speaker 1: yeah for real. So like that's that's what you know.

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Speaker 1: I've been doing this for a decade now, working with

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Speaker 1: talent to to engage their communities and ways that accomplishes

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Speaker 1: their goals, which was raising money for charity. We built

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Speaker 1: schools in Senegal with Travis van Winkl and Andy Grammer,

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Speaker 1: or we raise money for reach Out Worldwide, Paul's charity,

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Speaker 1: or you know, done a ton of things for charity.

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Speaker 1: And now it's about because of web three and because

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Speaker 1: of what we're launching, and it's not Kickstarter, it's like securitized,

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Speaker 1: it's fully UM regulculated, so like communities can actually participate

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Speaker 1: in the success. Amazing we can. Oh man, I got

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Speaker 1: some stuff to talk to you about. This is exciting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's UM. So is what is the next big thing

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Speaker 1: that we can direct people to? What's going on this

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Speaker 1: summer that we can direct people to. I mean we're

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Speaker 1: still building, so like I wouldn't necessarily direct anything. We're

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Speaker 1: all about UM long form. So we're in the middle

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Speaker 1: of like raising money and equity and token sent all

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Speaker 1: that is there is there a website though, or a

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Speaker 1: social platform that you would suggest people go to learn

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Speaker 1: more and follow along? L S O l I S

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Speaker 1: dot io UM. We named our company Solis because the

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Speaker 1: sun doesn't discriminate who it shines this light upon and

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Speaker 1: that's what the company is based on. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: we can all everything grows from sunlight, So it's all

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Speaker 1: about that. Um. So, Solis dot io is our website.

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Speaker 1: We actually have tons of them. We have Soli slobs

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Speaker 1: Labs dot io, have Soli Studios dot com. I'm welcome.

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Speaker 1: So we have a social um Solis underscore. I oh

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, But we just hired a really big PR firms,

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Speaker 1: so it's gonna start getting a lot more presence and

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Speaker 1: visibility out of You're so, where's Tim today? Where's Okay?

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Speaker 1: So we know where Brett Clewell is today? God from

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Speaker 1: like being a basketball god in high school and theater genies? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's most likely to have his own dominoes at this point?

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Speaker 1: Like not, what does Tim do? Like I swear to god,

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Speaker 1: I was so I wanted him to have more depth

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Speaker 1: and like I as the character who played Tim, Like

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Speaker 1: where is Tim? Didn't Tim and Bevin get married and

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Speaker 1: have a kid? Yeah, so Tim's playing child support Like

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Speaker 1: that's the best we can expect. He would have paid it.

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Speaker 1: But they're definitely you couldn't be married to Tim for

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Speaker 1: longer than twenty years. No, But I'm still friends with

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Speaker 1: the tims of my high school, and I cherished those boys.

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Speaker 1: I think those boys grow up sometimes to be nice guys.

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Speaker 1: They do. I mean I was, Yeah, they do. I

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Speaker 1: didn't say he was. I mean he had a good heart.

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Speaker 1: He never did anything, you know, and Sally wrong. Um,

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Speaker 1: he was a puppy dog. He was a sweet guy.

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Speaker 1: So he's still doing the right thing. Um, he's probably

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Speaker 1: just struggling to make ends meet, to be honest. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's been a wheel, shall we Let's see you know

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Speaker 1: about this. We spin a wheel bread for most likely

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Speaker 1: to like in the high school relatives on the show.

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Speaker 1: Will you spend the wheel with us? Yes, I'll spend

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Speaker 1: the wheel with you. Let's do it. So you gotta

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Speaker 1: help us pick somebody who this is in real life?

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Speaker 1: And on the show we have two. We have two answers. Okay,

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Speaker 1: somebody read it? Okay. Most likely to have a cooking show? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so which character on the show is going to have

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Speaker 1: a cooking show? I mean that Bevan feels like if

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say it, she'd be like Giada,

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Speaker 1: just stirring bulls in her bosom. Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 1: With their strong arms that are good hands, right, at

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Speaker 1: least of Goldstein. I think could have also million millions.

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Speaker 1: I mean Karen owns that would have been my choice.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. But Karen would have turned into like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: she would have been like a guru. She'd have like

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Speaker 1: books and like she had brands and target Like Karen

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Speaker 1: would have blown up in that world. I like that. Wait,

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Speaker 1: does anybody have a cooking show in real life? From

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Speaker 1: our show? I feel like it's hard to think it's you. Hillary.

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Speaker 1: I think you should have a kind of you, but

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Speaker 1: I don't have a cookie. But you published a book

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Speaker 1: with recipes in it, but you have to put it

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Speaker 1: on a network where you can cuss. Yeah, well that's

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Speaker 1: been the problem you guys. You know, we shopped a

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Speaker 1: Mischief Farm show and everyone wanted me to really like

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Speaker 1: sanitize it and be all like squeaky clean, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, sorry, not happening. You take us, so you

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Speaker 1: leave us? Yeah, take us to leave us? Um, all right,

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Speaker 1: maybe one a kid, George, do you want a cooking show? No,

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Speaker 1: she doesn't know. She's just like you're just like Princess Pizza,

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Speaker 1: right yeah. Um, so, Tim, you'd be a big hit

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Speaker 1: in the Morgan House because this one only eats pizza.

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Speaker 1: Tim tonight he bring him again like in season five. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, like Tim character Tim coming through the door

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Speaker 1: and the door locking behind him was delicious. I loved

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Speaker 1: that episode. Will you you have to you have to

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Speaker 1: come back for that one? I will absolutely That was

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Speaker 1: the one episode that I actually, like, really enjoyed. That

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Speaker 1: was fun. That was fun. It was fun to come

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Speaker 1: back and be like, Hey, guys, was that taking over

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Speaker 1: the world? I miss you so much? When are we

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Speaker 1: going to see you again? When are you coming eat?

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Speaker 1: I would love to see you. Are you in l

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Speaker 1: A right now? Now? We're going litterally going to can

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Speaker 1: for the first time. Congress awesome, Texas and New York.

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Speaker 1: I'm traveling a lot right now. We're just in Miami,

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Speaker 1: but but I would love to see you. Hey, do

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Speaker 1: you want to say a big funk you to all

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Speaker 1: the people that told you you put? I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you because I wouldn't North Carolina boy. Yeah, I'll

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Speaker 1: say you when we're off. Okay, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for coming to hang out with It's so nice to

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Speaker 1: see you you guys. That was actually that was that

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Speaker 1: was a nice conversation. Glad that we got to catch up.

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Speaker 1: Me too. I totally feel what he was saying about

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Speaker 1: being told that you're not enough and then to come

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Speaker 1: and just like kick all the ass feels so good,

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Speaker 1: so good. Well, we're going to explore it next week,

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Speaker 1: Season two, episode twenty two, The Tide that Came and

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Speaker 1: Never Went Back. I think there's lots of as kicking

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Speaker 1: that Dan is probably preparing to attempt to do. And

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Speaker 1: and how are Brooke and Lucas going to be rooming? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be real interesting. Oh my, just friends and

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Speaker 1: nothing more, nothing more. Well, come back and see us

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