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Speaker 2: We're podcasting through another Trump election year. We've been podcasting

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Speaker 2: through election years, a global pandemic, civic unrest, political controversies,

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Speaker 2: the Me Too movement, the rise of TikTok, and we

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Speaker 4: We're not done telling stories.

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Speaker 1: We're still making podcasts. We're older, we're wiser, We're even

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Speaker 1: podcasting through a new decade of our lives.

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Speaker 2: Since twenty sixteen, we've been making locat our Radio independently

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Speaker 2: until we joined iHeartMedia's Michael Dura Network in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: From our Lips to your Ears, Fall in love with

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Speaker 1: Loka to a radio like you never have before.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Season nine.

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Speaker 3: Love that first listen, O.

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Speaker 1: La la Loka Motes. Welcome to season nine of Loka

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Speaker 1: Tora Radio. I'm Diosa and I'm Mala. Loka Dora Radio

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Speaker 1: is a podcast dedicated to archiving our present and shifting

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Speaker 1: the culture forward. Last time on lok at Dora Radio,

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Speaker 1: we discussed the current climate on university campuses across the US,

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Speaker 1: with USC, and we had our guest last A Wido,

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Speaker 1: a father of a USC student, join us to talk

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Speaker 1: about what he witnessed and how we can be in

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Speaker 1: solidarity with the Palestinian movement.

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Speaker 5: were going af there then and they say no, we

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Speaker 5: are yes, say we have a peace protesting. We're protesting peacefully.

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Speaker 5: You have to get out no US.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about j Loo and why it's so

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Speaker 1: hot to hate Jlo right now and what does it

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Speaker 1: say about our current culture, our current society.

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Speaker 2: But before we dive into that super duper hot topic

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Speaker 2: and that's super duper hot interview, we want to discuss

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Speaker 2: our own analysis and review of things since so much

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Speaker 2: of the chatter has happened while we were off season,

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Speaker 2: and Jlo's movie This Is Me Now also came out

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Speaker 2: while we were off season, and that movie has basically

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Speaker 2: jumpstarted a lot of this chatter, especially on TikTok, and

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Speaker 2: we've been dying to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think yes, it definitely jumpstarted the current

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Speaker 1: chatter on TikTok because I think obviously TikTok is a

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Speaker 1: newer platform, but people have been hating on j Loo

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Speaker 1: for many, many years now, some of it warranted, some

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Speaker 1: of it unwarranted in my opinion. So I think in

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Speaker 1: order to talk about the current hate, we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about the build up, and we have to go

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Speaker 1: back a little bit. She's been an unfavorable and unpopular

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Speaker 1: person for the last couple of years. So I think

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Speaker 1: we're going to look at the timeline today, look at

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Speaker 1: the timeline of events, and then how did that all

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Speaker 1: lead up? It's just like a recipe for disaster, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been watching, We've been watching the cauldron boiling

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Speaker 2: and bubbling, and it's come to a tipping point.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because, like we've talked about on this

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Speaker 4: If you've heard the phrase all press is good press.

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Speaker 2: I do believe that that applies to like internet chatter

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Speaker 2: about celebs when they put out major projects. Even if

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Speaker 4: Here we are.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna continue to talk about j Lo because that's

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Speaker 2: the situation we find ourselves in.

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Speaker 1: And something that I've seen online that we're not going

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Speaker 1: people discussing whether or not Jaylo is a good or

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Speaker 3: And we're not getting into that.

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Speaker 2: Right, We're definitely not here to decide whether or not

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Speaker 3: I think it's more so.

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Speaker 1: About how the public, how the online community has reacted

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Speaker 1: brought up a lot with Jlo and her singing career

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Speaker 1: and her music is that she quote stole a Shanti's voice.

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Speaker 1: That's the language that I hear all the time. She

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Speaker 1: And so people say that she jaela one Jaylo can sing,

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Speaker 1: and two she stole another artist's voice. And I think

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Speaker 2: It works in the music industry. Now correct me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong, But I don't think that Jelo is a

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Speaker 2: I also know that Ashanti's mother has been her manager

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Speaker 1: No, And especially at that time when these music, when

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Speaker 1: And I think that the real person people need to

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Speaker 1: He was very controlling, propped up Jaylo to be a

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Speaker 1: I don't know her. It's that Jaylo was used in

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Speaker 2: Of this totally, you know, I mean famously. I mean

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Speaker 2: artists don't really always have control over their own music.

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Speaker 2: We can talk about Taylor Swift, we can talk about Kesha,

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Speaker 2: I think Beyonce has created a system for herself where

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Speaker 2: But I think it's probably because she saw right like

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Speaker 2: everybody's story. It's certainly not Jaelo's story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the opinion that she can't sing,

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Speaker 1: So again, like I think if there's issues with her

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Speaker 1: Like, as we've said before, Jelo launched, not Jaelo, but

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Speaker 2: There's also famously like in the United States, you don't

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Speaker 1: You don't have to do anything to be famous in

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Speaker 2: And I mean I mean pop stars especially, you know,

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Speaker 4: We know.

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Speaker 2: J Loo is not a vocalist. No, she doesn't have

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Speaker 2: much vocal range. We're not expecting Jlo to give us ballads,

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Speaker 2: although she insists she tries. And that's at this point.

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Speaker 2: She can afford to put out her own work. She

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Speaker 4: Make it, then you make it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I mean that's the whole TikTok thing is, well, now,

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Speaker 2: but that doesn't stop people from watching it and making

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Speaker 2: it go viral. Yeah, Jlo knows she's gonna put something

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Speaker 4: And it was success.

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Speaker 2: I mean in that way, the project This is Me

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Speaker 1: I saw that one a lot, so y'all have probably

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Speaker 1: And then people have been saying, like, leave the bronx alone,

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Speaker 4: Right, what do you want? What do you want? What

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Speaker 2: I just think that this reminds me of when Anne

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Speaker 2: And if you've ever spent any time in New York City,

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Speaker 4: It's part of the history.

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Speaker 2: It's part of the very identity, the whole New York

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Speaker 4: That's part of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, very mundane, banal, you know, boring even to

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Speaker 1: Like, come on, okay, So before we get into the

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Speaker 3: The last couple of months. Busy, she's been busy.

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Speaker 1: This is Me Now the musical experience, not a music video,

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Speaker 3: It's a musical experience of sorts.

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Speaker 1: And then there's the Greatest Love Story Ever Told, which

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Speaker 3: Now, The Musical Experience.

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Speaker 4: I love it. Just cameras on cameras on cameras on cameras.

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Speaker 2: and I was like, have you seen this as Me Now?

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Speaker 2: I know, everybody's like sharing about the actors that said no,

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Speaker 3: Like tons of.

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Speaker 2: People, tons of people who are incredible and very talented

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Speaker 2: of course people said no, but that's true of any

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Speaker 4: People are gonna say no. But a lot of people

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I went in with low expectations because of the chatter,

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Speaker 1: I think that comments that it made no sense actually

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Speaker 3: Heart factory before?

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Speaker 1: I haven't, not me, not me, you know, a little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was thematically very consistent. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I loved that in the film, it reflects

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Speaker 3: More to me than my marriages and my relationships.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she I think she's not afraid to like poke

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And there were a couple quotes that

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Speaker 2: Now, I will say, did I love the Dancing in

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Speaker 2: put into it. I do appreciate when somebody just throws

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Speaker 3: She gave us everything and why not?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's her, it's her maximalism, yes, And.

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Speaker 1: You know, towards the end, she has this like scene

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Speaker 2: No, when you're committed to hating something before you even

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Speaker 2: and you know, if you're committed to that, then that's

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Speaker 2: I will also say, all your favorite pop stars, all

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Speaker 2: And you know what, like we hope that they're able

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Speaker 2: like that would be a lovely thing for them. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Dolly Parton still dresses like she's been dressing

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Speaker 2: Madonna is still voguing to this day. Yeah, she's on

439
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: tour right now wearing no pants, you know, decades later,

440
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Speaker 2: share her face has not moved.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

443
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Speaker 1: I mean it speaks larger to how we hate when

444
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Speaker 1: women age and they do it publicly, you know, because

445
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Speaker 1: if Jayla was aging quietly in her home, people would

446
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Speaker 1: be okay with that. But because maybe she's not relevant

447
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: anymore and has the courage to actually make new shit,

448
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: oh we're gonna hate on it.

449
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I also think, like, if you think it's bad, cool, like,

451
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 1: let people make bad art too. Like, I think that's

452
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: where my biggest takeaway after watching it is, like, I

453
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: think we are actually lacking in art criticism right now

454
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: part of the journalism layoffs, yes, and two, Like people

455
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: also don't let others critique things. I see that a

456
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: lot with like Taylor Swift and even Beyonce, where if

457
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Speaker 1: there's a valid criticism.

458
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Speaker 3: Then the fans are upset.

459
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Speaker 1: Right, we don't let things be criticized anymore for the

460
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Speaker 1: sake of making art and culture better. And we're at

461
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Speaker 1: this point where it's either high praise for the artists

462
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Speaker 1: and what they make or hatred for the person.

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Speaker 3: Yes not Oh, this was bad art.

464
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna critique the art and this is these are

465
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Speaker 1: the reasons that I think it's bad. It's oh, I'm

466
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Speaker 1: gonna shit on this person because what they made was bad.

467
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: So they're within that they're bad too.

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Speaker 4: Totally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the chatter around Jlo is really not about the

470
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: work that she's put out. And if she was super irrelevant,

471
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 2: Amazon Prime would not be would not have her movie

472
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Speaker 2: on their platform, and like promoting it on the platform.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's just fascinating. Also, people have brought up things like, now,

475
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 2: could Jlo have made better creative choices and better strategic

476
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 2: choices over the course of her career?

477
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Speaker 4: Yes?

478
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Speaker 2: For example, did I think that she was the right

479
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Speaker 2: person to do that Motown tribute?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are times where Jalo needs to say no.

482
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Speaker 4: She needs to say no. She doesn't know how to

483
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Speaker 4: say no.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Should she have done the Celia Gruz performance?

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Speaker 4: Probably not.

487
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Speaker 3: Did she kill the dancing Yes? Should she have done it?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 4: She's not a vocalist, cely your cruise was a vocalist.

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Speaker 2: But also who who's off again again offering the jobs?

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Part of it is like, yes, Jaylo, you need to

493
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: say no to things, but also like, why are y'all

494
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: offering her things that you know she shouldn't be the

495
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: one doing them. She's not, that's not her And then

496
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: you're making people mad then rightfully.

497
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Speaker 2: So there's other talented artists out there. There could have

498
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Speaker 2: been a breakout moment for somebody in the Celia tribute,

499
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Speaker 2: in the Motown tribute. Who's offering the gigs? Who's offering

500
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: the jobs? And you know, sometimes an opportunity is not

501
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: always a good idea. Yeah, you know, we say no

502
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: to things. You have to learn to weigh, right, what

503
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: is going to be the outcome of this decision? You know,

504
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: if it's going to get me paid, okay, that's one thing,

505
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: But now my name is attached to this job.

506
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: Now this is in my.

507
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: Portfolio, and do I necessarily want it to be forever?

508
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 7: Yes?

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00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: Like what's the backlash going to be? And I don't

510
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: know that Jlo has has kind of flexed that decision

511
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: making muscle to my knowledge.

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Speaker 1: That we know of that we know of, yeah, yeah,

513
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: because you know, even I think then the decision to

514
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: release the documentary after this is me Now, I mean

515
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: I watched the documentary and I liked it. Also and

516
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: I think it gave me more perspective, and I actually

517
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: walked away thinking Jalo is actually more self aware than

518
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: people give her credit for. People are like, she's a narcissist,

519
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: which again, y'all don't know what that word means.

520
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: And now y'all are listeners the people.

521
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: Online right, like y'all do not know what that means.

522
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: I know our listeners know what that means, but the

523
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: people online that use it so freely, like y'all, don't

524
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Speaker 1: know what that means. I think that what I really

525
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: appreciated about the film or the documentary is that she

526
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: had this scene where she's like nobody's waiting on a

527
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: Jlo album. It's like she knows her place in the

528
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: industry right now, like she knows she's not climbing, like

529
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Speaker 1: she's not number one, Like she's not landing on the

530
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: number one charts anymore. And I think that we should

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Speaker 1: appreciate an artist of her caliber, meaning like of her

532
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Speaker 1: of the decades that she's been an artist putting out

533
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: art because they want to. Yeah, because she's in love.

534
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: She's back with Ben Affleck, she married him, so she's inspired.

535
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: She's inspired, and she wants to put all of her

536
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 1: love into this art and release it for the world,

537
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: whether they like it or not.

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00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 3: She wants to do it for the sake of the art.

539
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: Again, whether that's good or bad, whether it's good or

540
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: bad art that it's like up for interpretation.

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Speaker 3: But I think that we should respect that she put

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Speaker 3: out art.

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00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 2: You know, point blank perd Yeah, and you know what,

544
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: brain blast. She loves to work with her lovers.

545
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: She does.

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00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: She she did a show with Mark Anthony. She did

547
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 2: it with Mark Anthony. She was performing with Marc Anthony Casper.

548
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: She met him what while dancing on tour. He was

549
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: one of her dancers, Ben Like she's worked with him before.

550
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: She wanted to work with him again. She loves to

551
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: co create with her husbands. Yep, that's her thing.

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00:27:58,480 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: It is.

553
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: This is what she does, like you said, when she's

554
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: in love. This is what we can expect.

555
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: This is just her.

557
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 3: This is her thing. This is her thing.

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00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: I hope that in the future, like Jlo could also

560
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: be and maybe she's like doing this somewhere and we're

561
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: not seeing it, But like Jlo, maybe could win a

562
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 2: little more public favor or kind of get some heat

563
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 2: off of her Maybe if she started investing in like

564
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: the next generation of artists, right, like Who's up next?

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00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: She does have her production company, and she does have

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Speaker 1: some type of fund I remember she talked about that

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00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: in her last documentary Oh Okay Okay, and where she

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Speaker 1: talks about like funding like the next generation of filmmakers actresses.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember.

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00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: Entirely, right, but I do think that she does that,

571
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,239
Speaker 1: but it's not as public, right, and I think there is.

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Speaker 3: I do would love for Jelo. I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I would love for Jlo to with.

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Speaker 1: Her production company cast new talent, find new talent. But

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00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: I think there's also something to be said of a

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00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: woman of her age, she's fifty four casting herself as

577
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: the lead, because we all know how Hollywood is. You

578
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: get to a certain age, you're not the lead anymore.

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Speaker 1: So I hope that she does both. I hope that

580
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: she's able to find that balance of like, yes, I'm

581
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: still going to be the lead, and yes I'm also

582
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: going to fund and find new talent. We're going to

583
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Speaker 1: go on a quick break and we'll be discussing j

584
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: Lo and what's.

585
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: Happening right now? Where's the hatred coming from?

586
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: So stay tuned we'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: Okay, look someone is.

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Speaker 1: We're so excited to have the incredible, talented academic, scholar,

589
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: writer thinker Jillian Ernandez with us today. Welcome Jillian, say

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00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: hi to our listeners.

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Speaker 7: Please hi, lookis, and thank you so much for having me.

592
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 7: I'm a huge fan of y'all. I'm so excited to

593
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 7: chat with you all today.

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00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for taking the time to come

595
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: on look at Dora to talk about what is really

596
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: a super duper scalding hot topic right now.

597
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 4: And it's just like the Hate j Lo Hour, It's.

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Speaker 7: Been sort of out of left field as far as

599
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 7: I'm concerned. I'm not really sure what is feeding it,

600
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 7: but it just has me I think asking a lot

601
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Speaker 7: of questions which drive a lot of my work, which is,

602
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 7: how are Latinas consumed in the cultural space? What representations

603
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 7: are the ones that get the most attention? And usually

604
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 7: it's very negative attention, you know. I think that in

605
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 7: many ways j Loo is in this moment of trying

606
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 7: to take control of her narrative, and I think she's

607
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 7: being punished for that. And I think partly it's because

608
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 7: it's almost like her authoring her own movie, her own documentary,

609
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 7: you know, revisiting this album from many years back. I

610
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 7: think is a way of her just showing the culture that,

611
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 7: like she can take control and she can author her

612
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 7: own representation and her own narrative. And I think that

613
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 7: that's not something that Latinas are allowed to do. I mean,

614
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 7: I think we see that over and over again with

615
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 7: the tropes that we're supposed to perform, over and over again.

616
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 7: And I think that Jlo I don't even think she's

617
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 7: trying to do it intentionally, Like I don't think she

618
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 7: has like this larger like project, like radical project in mind,

619
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 7: but I do think that she is flexing a kind

620
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 7: of cultural power, and I think that's partly what's feeding it,

621
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 7: because it's almost like, oh, we're going to put you

622
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 7: back in your place, like, don't think that you can

623
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 7: actually do this, We're just gonna mock you. And a

624
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 7: lot of my work also looked at the mockery that

625
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 7: Latina is, particularly working class Latina's face. And granted, you know,

626
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 7: the conversation aroun Jaelo's not about a working class Latina,

627
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 7: but there is a way in which, like when she arrived,

628
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 7: like she was a fly girl, right and like living

629
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 7: color at that time was very much an aesthetic of

630
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 7: the street of like working class black and LATINX communities

631
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Speaker 7: and hip hop. So I feel like there's an aspect

632
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 7: to it that's also one like we hate you because

633
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 7: you're rich and privileged. But the particular way in which

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00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 7: she's being mocked reminds me a lot about the way

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00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 7: that working class people are mocked. So there's like this,

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00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 7: it's like the math isn't mathing to me in certain ways.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just jumping right into it. Thank you so

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00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: much for laying that out for us. Where did you

639
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: start to notice this like current campaign of like really

640
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 2: folks on TikTok in particular, like putting a lot of

641
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: like videos, time, a lot of language, a lot of energy,

642
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: a lot of anger, really putting that out there into

643
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: the digital space and directing it towards one for Lopez.

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Speaker 7: My daughter actually, who is a twenty something and you know,

645
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 7: basically is on TikTok all the time, and she was

646
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 7: like showing me some of them, and I was so confused,

647
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 7: Like I just didn't understand like why all of a

648
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 7: sudden she was the subject of like so much vitriol,

649
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 7: especially because overall she's been someone who, despite her identity

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Speaker 7: as Puerto Rican, Latina, et cetera, has like entered the

651
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 7: cultural sphere in a pretty like sanitized, acceptable type of way.

652
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Speaker 7: Like she hasn't really done anything so wild where you know,

653
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 7: she's been canceled. So to see her be canceled for

654
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 7: things that, like I think like are fair to maybe

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Speaker 7: make fun of, Like the whole like gym scene, it's funny,

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Speaker 7: like if you want a trip on on that, I

657
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 7: feel like that's fair game. It was funny, But the

658
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 7: kind of vitriol to me seems like fed by misogyny

659
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 7: and misogyny that can be like perpetrated by other women, right,

660
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 7: I'm not just talking about men necessarily, And also a

661
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 7: lot of folks who don't appear to be folks of

662
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 7: color going in on her, which also to me is

663
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 7: very problematic. So I was frankly surprised. It seemed very

664
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 7: out of left field, except for the fact that she

665
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 7: had been like releasing stuff, but the particular kind of

666
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 7: like venom of it all, I was very confused by.

667
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that you brought that up, because I

668
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: was wondering if there is any correlation between Jlo being

669
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: like the only one for so long, like in the

670
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: public eye and in film and TV and in music.

671
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: For many years, she was like the only Latina, the

672
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: only pop star. And now the Latinos are considered like mainstream,

673
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: like or Latino music or quote Latin music is considered mainstream.

674
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's like a pushback of like and

675
00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: rejection of like Jlo because she's like outdated or not

676
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: relevant anymore.

677
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 7: No, absolutely, I think I think there's like an ageist

678
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 7: component to it. Absolutely, And I think that also feeds

679
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 7: into some of the discourse and just some of the

680
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 7: mockery around her. And I think, you know, it's interesting

681
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 7: because in like her super Bowl performance from a few

682
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 7: years ago, like she was like she performed with bad

683
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 7: Bunny and Shakia, and I think was really trying to

684
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 7: like reinsert or like find a place in the cultural

685
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 7: landscape right now. I don't think she's fully succeeded. I

686
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 7: also think that she might overestimate how interested we are

687
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 7: in Ben Affleck. I don't think many of us care

688
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 7: or are interested in Homie, like not interested, not interested.

689
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 7: I do think there's agism, and I don't know, like

690
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 7: I think there's just also a little bit of like

691
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 7: just plain old ways in which, like tired ways in

692
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 7: which I think LATINX people in general can be made

693
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 7: fun of, and like nobody feels a way about it,

694
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 7: Like I don't think there's been a sufficient cultural conversation

695
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 7: yet around like how we are targets of mockery, and

696
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 7: I think often for us to enter the cultural landscape,

697
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 7: like we need to be open to that kind of mockery.

698
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 7: Like I think sometimes that's the price that we pay

699
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 7: for visibility, and that's not necessarily the same thing that

700
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 7: like younger people like Carol g or a Bad Bunny

701
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 7: are navigating, but they are also not Jlo's, Like they're

702
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 7: not like blockbuster movie celebrities like Jalo's a totally different level.

703
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 7: Like even as let's say Bad Bunny is like a

704
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 7: huge cultural star, Jlo just took it to a totally

705
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 7: different level. And I don't think there's anyone LATINX like

706
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 7: maybe Ricky Martin and still not even who is at

707
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 7: that same level. And so I think it's also unfortunately

708
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 7: like part of the cost for what she has achieved

709
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 7: in many ways, And I do think it's a way

710
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 7: of like a generation telling an elder and not like

711
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 7: a gentle and generous way, like we don't care about you.

712
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 7: We think you're a joke. Right, So I really wonder

713
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 7: about like how she's processing it all, and like really

714
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 7: thinking about it in terms of like how she moves

715
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 7: forward from it. But it's really intense, Like even in

716
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 7: me watching it. I've never been like the biggest Jlo

717
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 7: fan myself. I liked her in the in the Living

718
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 7: Color days, but I always like, my mom is Perderriican.

719
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 7: My mom like lives, rides dies for Jlo, and so

720
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 7: I see like what her representation of firms in my

721
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 7: mother who is from the Bronx, And so I've always

722
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 7: respected that. I'm like, whether whether I like her aesthetic

723
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 7: or singing or acting doesn't really matter, Like I respect

724
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 7: Jaelo for like what she still represents in the culture.

725
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 7: So to me, it's problematic, this level of visu all,

726
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 7: it's problematic.

727
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 4: We definitely agree.

728
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: We also at the same time, we can we can

729
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: admit Jlo has had some missteps over the years. Sure,

730
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 2: for sure, we've talked about like she should have said

731
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: no to the Motown tribute, you know, like.

732
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: You should have said no.

733
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: Like she's got to learn to say no to some

734
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: things you can pass. Yeah, yeah, And I'm wondering, and

735
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: in watching the documentary and the movie this is me now,

736
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: and like the behind the scenes as well, she says

737
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: very plainly, like nobody's waiting for the next Jlo album.

738
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: Like nobody, She's very aware, and she she makes this

739
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: other statement about how no one wants to pay for this, Well,

740
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: I guess I'll pay for it, and she can, so

741
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: she does. And I think she knows like people are

742
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: not waiting in line to like get tickets to watch

743
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: her perform, or waiting for the next album to drop.

744
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: They're not, they're not.

745
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: The fan base is an older fan base now, and

746
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: the fan base is chilling, calm, you know, totally. And

747
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm curious about your thoughts on somebody like Jlo creating

748
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: just for the sake of creating because she can and

749
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: so she will. And why does that because this is

750
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: reflected in a lot of the commentary. Nobody asked for

751
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: this Jaylo, Nobody asked for this movie, nobody asked for

752
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: this song, nobody, And she knows nobody's asking for it,

753
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: but she's making it anyways.

754
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 4: So I guess your thoughts on that, like the creation

755
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 4: just because she wants to.

756
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, I think And again I don't think

757
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 7: it's political on purpose, but I do think it's political,

758
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 7: I really do. I think I think that so many

759
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 7: Like if you if you think about so many iconic

760
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 7: Latina like visual artists or performers, right, I think back

761
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 7: to like this Cuban artist did this performance in the

762
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 7: nineties called Better When Dead that was about how so

763
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 7: many iconic latina as we know after their dead. So

764
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 7: she's thinking of Freedom College, she's thinking of Na Mendez

765
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 7: that she's thinking about so one. So many Latinas only

766
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 7: gain like cultural capital or crossover after they're gone. There's

767
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 7: one and so like thinking with that perspective around like

768
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 7: the literal like price of Latinas being integrated into the

769
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 7: US public sphere, which means, oh, we might value you

770
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 7: after you're no longer in existence. Right, So to me,

771
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 7: the politics is like a living Latina pop star who's like,

772
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 7: I know no one is asking for this, but I

773
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 7: have the money and I'm gonna do it anyway because

774
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 7: like to the people who say no one asks for it,

775
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 7: Jalo's also like then, like you don't need to watch it, babes.

776
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like, then you don't you don't.

777
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 7: Need to engage with it. And I think that is

778
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 7: definitely you know, something that I think is important. And

779
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 7: like I haven't watched any of these things yet, They're

780
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 7: not high on my priority lift. But the same time,

781
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 7: like I respect that, and I and I just think

782
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 7: it's a flex because also you know, and you all

783
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 7: know too as creators, like part of creating a thing

784
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 7: is like you often need resources, and when you appeal

785
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 7: to like a nonprofit or a foundation or whoever for money,

786
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 7: you know that that comes with some kind of compromise,

787
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 7: like something either you're going to use ads or you're

788
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 7: gonna like write a little report about how you change

789
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 7: the world because of these like two all the dollars

790
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 7: you got whatever it is so for her to be

791
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 7: able to be like I want to do this and

792
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 7: I can just do it. I think it's great and

793
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 7: I and I wish that that kind of cultural freedom

794
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 7: was available to all kinds of LATINX artists, but it's

795
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 7: available to her, and that's what she decided to do

796
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 7: with it. But like I said earlier, like I think

797
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 7: that's partly what bothers people, even if they don't realize it.

798
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 7: I think there's a way in which that kind of

799
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 7: ability and resource is just seen almost like an upfront

800
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 7: for someone who came from where she came from, which

801
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 7: I think also plays into the questioning of like where

802
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 7: she came from, because that's also just seems like people

803
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 7: are doing the most when it comes to that too.

804
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we touched on this where it's like you can

805
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 1: never really win in these scenarios where let's say you

806
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: reach some type of like social mobility, maybe not even

807
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: a Jelo status, but just some type of upward mobility,

808
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, you forgot where you came from.

809
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: But then if you wrap it too hard, it's like,

810
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: well you're not even from there anymore, like let it go.

811
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 3: So it's like, well, which one is it?

812
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 7: Exactly exactly? And I think, you know, it's also it's

813
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 7: like an impossible position to be in because like, even

814
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 7: if it's not hitting, like she is trying to be relatable,

815
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 7: like I don't know, because people would hate her too.

816
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 7: And she was like, well, I'm just a rich bitch.

817
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: Now, yep, you're flaunting your wealth.

818
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 7: Exactly, then it's gonna be like oh, like she thinks

819
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 7: she's all that, so it's like you can't win for losing,

820
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 7: and you know, I don't I don't see I don't

821
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 7: see the same kind of standards being applied to other artists,

822
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 7: you know, other LATINX artists, Like no one is really

823
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 7: asking the same kinds of questions or like having the

824
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 7: same expectations. I also think it's like what we expect

825
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 7: from Latinas in particular too, It's like you have to

826
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 7: be everything, yeah, and we have to like you, and

827
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 7: you have to do it in the way that you want.

828
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 7: And she's also aging, you know, and I think there's

829
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 7: a certain vulnerability that I think she allowed herself. And

830
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 7: I feel bad because in opening herself up like that,

831
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 7: and I'm not blaming her for doing that at all,

832
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 7: like for the way people are responding, but it's like

833
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 7: this this culture just doesn't know what to do with

834
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 7: that kind of vulnerability, like especially from an aging Latina,

835
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 7: Like unfortunately they just went in. It's like she gave

836
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 7: this opening and it just has created like so much

837
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 7: vitriol towards her. So and people are making money off

838
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 7: of it, Like let's also be clear that it's producing money,

839
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 7: like as much as folks are hating on her. It's like, well,

840
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 7: you you're you're also like creating more buzz around her

841
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 7: and also like making money as a result too, So

842
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 7: like you're also participating in the very same thing that

843
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 7: you appear to be critiquing as well.

844
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: Totally, and I really appreciate that you bring up that

845
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: this sort of history around Latina popstar icons who pass

846
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: away at a young age, and we definitely like turn

847
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: them into like saints basically literally, oh literally.

848
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 7: We.

849
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 4: Venerate them.

850
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 2: We literally put them on candles and T shirts, and

851
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: we dedicate drag nights and events and parties and lookalike contests,

852
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: Like we're very obsessed with them. But if Selina Kinthenia

853
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: was still alive, we would hate her so hard for

854
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: her stances on Trump or Roe v. Wade or Palestine

855
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: or gun control guaranteed guaranteed, Like we actually are not

856
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: prepared to accept the fullness of like a woman in

857
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: all three sixty degrees, Like we love young, sparkly, entertaining

858
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: and then leave it there. But once we're talking about

859
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: a fully formed person with their own ideas, whether we

860
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: agree with them or not, whether we are on the

861
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: same page or we like them, like I Jenny Rivera.

862
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that we would be like

863
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: clinging to her as such like an icon if she

864
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: were still alive and like expressing opinions about the state

865
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: of the you know, totally.

866
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 7: Totally especially not now, like with the way social media is. No,

867
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 7: I completely agree with you and and and you know

868
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 7: and honestly too, like even while those women were alive,

869
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 7: like they still were so judged and like given hell

870
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 7: like in so many different ways. Right then they passed

871
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 7: and we're like, oh my god, like you're amazing, but

872
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 7: you're totally right, You're totally totally right. Part of that

873
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 7: is we don't know what to do with a fully

874
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 7: formed Latina woman in the cultural sphere, and we we

875
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 7: only know how to operate in the discourse of iconicity,

876
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 7: which in and of itself is dangerous and dehumanizing. And

877
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 7: like I participate in it too, like I have I

878
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 7: have my bad Bunny Candle. I mean he's not dead yet,

879
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 7: but whatever, even though he's he's for other reasons. But

880
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 7: you know, I mean I participate in that kind of

881
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 7: fan icnicity. But at the same time, like I always

882
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 7: have in my mind, like this is a person right,

883
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 7: this is like a human being. But with j Lo

884
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 7: that has completely been you know, thrown out the window.

885
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 7: Like I saw that one TikTok where like this one

886
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 7: young woman was like I went to the same school

887
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 7: as you. Yeah, you know it's privileged. Just like, yeah, homie,

888
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 7: but like what decade was that? Because New York from

889
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 7: two three decades back is a completely different animal than

890
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 7: it now. And so like it's like I went to

891
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 7: a Catholic school and my family was definitely working class.

892
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 7: Like it's not mutually exclusive, right, Like a lot of families,

893
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 7: working class families like make a sacrifice to send their

894
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 7: kids to Catholic school, but like I still lived a

895
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 7: working class existence, so I don't like I yeah, go ahead,

896
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 7: go ahead.

897
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: And the Catholic schools are cheaper than the private school.

898
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: Like this isn't like a prep school. This isn't like

899
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: a private like a magnet school. It's like the Catholic

900
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: schools are considered cheaper than like not to say they're cheap,

901
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: because that's relative, but it's still like on that line,

902
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: on that spectrum of like how expensive schooling is, it's

903
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: kind of in the middle. So yeah, like some families

904
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: can make that sacrifice to send their kids to Catholic school.

905
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, like a bunch of the other kids. I went

906
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 7: with some upper class kids, and I went with kids

907
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 7: that were in the same kind of socioeconomic situation as

908
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 7: my family. And so I don't know, like I've just

909
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 7: felt some type of way about that too, Like Okay,

910
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 7: so now you know we're going to make these particular

911
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 7: claims around her class background. And then and then also

912
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 7: like you know, people still making fun of her for

913
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 7: like not speaking Spanish in a certain way, like are

914
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 7: we still doing that?

915
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: Like yeah, some of it too is just.

916
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 7: Like cheesy and tired, Like these critiques are embarrassing some

917
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 7: of them in and of themselves, you know what I mean.

918
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And on another side of things, Cardi b got

919
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: a lot of negativity, a lot of nastiness thrown her

920
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: way because she used to dance.

921
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 4: You know, she was an exotic dancer. She was a stripper.

922
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: So you know, this is another Latino from the Bronx

923
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: who they were in a future film together, hustlers, you know,

924
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: coming up in the music industry. I see Carti, I mean,

925
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: Carti's making movies and selling hit records and she's killing it.

926
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: She's got I think, a long way to go to

927
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: reach the same sort of like status as Jlo. Like

928
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: we were discussing with the breath of projects that Jaylo

929
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: has done, but I see a similarity there with both

930
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 2: of them. But on the one hand, so Jlo went

931
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: to a Catholic school, we're hating it. CARTI was a stripper,

932
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: We're also hating it. So what do Latinos want? Who

933
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: do we want? We are so every other word on

934
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 2: TikTok representation, representation, representation.

935
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 4: What do we want? Who do we want? Who does

936
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 4: it need to be?

937
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 5: Like?

938
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 4: Who is the Messiah? Who are we waiting for?

939
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 7: Exactly? I mean I don't, I don't know, and I

940
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 7: don't think we know because also, like we we've been

941
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 7: so restricted in like what kinds of representations of us

942
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 7: are possible, and then even when they do emerge, like

943
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 7: they're so quickly taken away from us. And I think

944
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 7: particularly for Latinas, like you know, I love y'all so

945
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 7: much for this aspect, and you guys aren't a fictional show.

946
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 7: But to me, it's like, like, let's say I really

947
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 7: love the show broad City, and in my mind, I'm like,

948
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 7: can you imagine if there was like a Latina version

949
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 7: of a broad City, it would never happen. So like

950
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 7: then there's this Pool, which I really loved. It was

951
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 7: very male centered, but like I love the fan characters

952
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 7: like the crazy girlfriend. I live for her, but like

953
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 7: that's gone, right, two seasons gone. So like I don't

954
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 7: think we know, or at least, like when I think

955
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 7: I see something that both as a scholar and a

956
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 7: cultural consumer, I think like, oh, like this feels like

957
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 7: kind of what we're looking for, Like it doesn't last.

958
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 7: So I think I think when you add like gender

959
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 7: politics to Hollywood and the racial politics to Hollywood, I

960
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 7: don't think Latinos know necessarily like what they want. Like

961
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 7: I think in music we're pretty clear, Like I think,

962
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 7: I think the realm of music just has a lot

963
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 7: more like flexibility, and so we're seeing like I think,

964
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 7: a range of different like queer representations or even like

965
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 7: queer masculine representations too, Like there's just much more happening.

966
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 7: But I think when you get to that sort of

967
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 7: like TV movie space, it's just like a bunch of

968
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 7: tired tropes. So I don't know. It's frustrating to me

969
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 7: and even as a scholar, and thinking about audiences and

970
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 7: stuff like it's just I don't I don't know what

971
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 7: our folks want, but more and more like our people

972
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 7: just keep confusing me politically and in many other ways.

973
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 7: So that's a whole other can of warm.

974
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: We know that and we don't know what we want.

975
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so like it just becomes difficult, you know.

976
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 7: And then imagine like being someone positioned like her where

977
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 7: it's like like who is her audience now? And I

978
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 7: think it might be you know, like Mala you mentioned earlier,

979
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 7: like like people like my mama, you know, and like

980
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 7: and that's all good because they do need something too,

981
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 7: Like my mom is not listening to Cardi B. Like

982
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 7: if it's on, she'll grow to it, but like that's

983
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 7: not you know, She's still she loves Jaalo, she loves

984
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 7: more Anthony. Like that's the space that she's in and

985
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 7: that's valid, you know. So I also think like a

986
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 7: lot of the folks I've been seeing with the critiques

987
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 7: are like younger people, so it's like this isn't even

988
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 7: for you.

989
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 4: They weren't there.

990
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: It's like the they weren't collective cultural memory, yeah, is

991
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: like forgotten because they were too young to they either

992
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: weren't alive or like too young to consume it totally.

993
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 7: And also like let's be let's be like regardless of

994
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 7: your thoughts on Jlo. And I was recently reminded of

995
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 7: this because of like one of those like Vogue Life

996
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 7: and Looks videos that she had recently done.

997
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, like the whole hy.

998
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 7: Two K trend that so many of these folks are

999
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 7: into now. Jlo is mother. Yeah, Jlo is the one

1000
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 7: who went to the red carpet with some Brazilian jeans

1001
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 7: on and like a sparkly tank top all in white.

1002
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 7: Like your esthetic is literally made possible because of Jlo,

1003
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 7: like back in the late nineties, early two thousands. But

1004
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 7: like that, like she doesn't get the credit for that

1005
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 7: at all, but even in terms of fashion and like

1006
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 7: so much that we're seeing now, like Jlo has so

1007
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 7: much to do with that, but like that aspect of

1008
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 7: the conversation is like completely erased.

1009
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, And I think it it is scary that

1010
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: the audience can really see you as like this icon

1011
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: and then there's like this misremembering or yeah, misremembering or

1012
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: just not even given like the full credit, and then

1013
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: you're like hated, you know, it's like from icon to

1014
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: like most hated women on the Internet right now.

1015
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I.

1016
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: Think it's really it's alarming, and it should alarm us

1017
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: that we can get there as a society. We can

1018
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: go from here to there very quickly, and we forget.

1019
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 2: And not because and not because she's been like raising

1020
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: money for Donald Trump, not because she like killed someone,

1021
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: not because she like committed like a horrific crime, but

1022
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: because she made bad art or it was cringey. She

1023
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 2: did something cringey that nobody asked for. And that to

1024
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: me is like with the spark, whatever ignited this whole

1025
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: thing was so minimal, honestly totally, but the vitriol is there,

1026
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: the energy is there.

1027
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think we talk about that all the

1028
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: time here on the podcast, and especially you, Maley. You

1029
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: bring that perspective all the time, is that we will

1030
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: like tear down women, especially women of color, for like

1031
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: the most minimal things, but men can go on and

1032
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: actually do horrific things, and like nobody about to an eye.

1033
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 3: We're still going to stream their music. It's cool, it's.

1034
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: Separate the art from the artists, right, But we can't

1035
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: do that here.

1036
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 7: No, because the standards are so much higher. And then

1037
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 7: I think with Latinas too, you have this like extra

1038
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 7: on the one hand in the dominant culture, like we

1039
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 7: are objects of like service and care, like we're you know,

1040
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 7: like nannies and domestic workers or whatever, you know folks

1041
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 7: imagine there. But also just like tropes even of like

1042
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 7: the mother, like the Latina mother, right, and and like

1043
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 7: this idea that like Latinas are available for all kinds

1044
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 7: of abuse. And I think that even extends to like

1045
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 7: the online discourse. And I think there is a unique

1046
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 7: way that that misogyny works for Latinas in particular. And

1047
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 7: I do think that in some ways you see that,

1048
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 7: you know, with Jalo, And I think even as he

1049
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 7: does occupy the space of prige and you know, has

1050
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 7: this kind of cultural capital obviously that she's accessing, like

1051
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 7: when I hear her talk like I have no question

1052
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 7: of like her bronxness or whatever. And I do think

1053
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 7: that that does contribute to aspects of like the vitriol too,

1054
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 7: Like she still doesn't sound mainstream American, like she's she's

1055
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 7: not Taylor Swift, she never will be. She could never

1056
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 7: approximate that kind of white femininity. So like whether folks

1057
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 7: want to accept it or not. Like when she talks,

1058
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 7: she sounds like a new Eurekan to me, And that's

1059
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 7: a particular like a new Eurekan is someone who is

1060
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 7: emerging from a historical context of disenfranchisement and racist violence

1061
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 7: in New York. Like there's no way around that. And

1062
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 7: I just don't understand. But I also do, of course,

1063
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 7: you know how, like you said, all of it gets

1064
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 7: eras it's also because like we don't want to have

1065
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 7: the sort of historical conversations or like cultural consciousness raising

1066
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 7: conversations around like where does someone like Jalo actually come from,

1067
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 7: not just in terms of her actual family or what

1068
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 7: school she went to, but the place that she grew

1069
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 7: up from right and navigated and even what it meant

1070
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 7: to be a part of something like Living Color at

1071
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 7: the time that that came out, like that was a

1072
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 7: radical show too. So she's been there. She's a product of,

1073
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 7: you know, spaces that like really had to struggle no

1074
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 7: matter what. Like if you're if you're Puerto Rican, if

1075
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 7: you're New Eurekan, like you are a product of colonialism.

1076
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 7: You are a product of all kinds of violence. And

1077
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 7: so I think that some folks have allowed for her

1078
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 7: like star text to sort of eclipse the sort of

1079
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 7: longer history that like made her possible to begin with totally.

1080
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 2: I love that. And I also just want to point out,

1081
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 2: you know, she was in dance class, you know, like

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Speaker 2: she was like auditioning and stuff, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: what people expect from her, like in her backstory, you know,

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Speaker 2: like as far as her neighborhood and the block. Famously, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: she was a Catholic school girl and she was in

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Speaker 2: dance class at the Boys and Girls Club, And that's

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Speaker 2: why she is where she's at, not because she was

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know, it's just it's just all very

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Speaker 2: odd to me. And a final thought that I have

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Speaker 2: too is do you think that people also are punishing

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Speaker 2: her culturally because she's been married so many times and

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Speaker 2: like unabashedly talks about it and like leans into it

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Speaker 2: because she's married now. But she's a little bit she's

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Speaker 2: a perpetual bachelorette no matter how many times she's been married.

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Speaker 3: She's our Elizabeth Taylor.

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Speaker 4: She's our Liz Taylor.

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Speaker 3: I've been saying that for years.

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Speaker 2: She's our very true, you have been saying that for years.

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Speaker 7: She's also a Leo, and as a fellow Leo, you know,

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Speaker 7: it's like it's a lot, you know, it's just a

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Speaker 7: lot for us. We can be lot. I do think

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Speaker 7: that's part of it. And I think like those relationships

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Speaker 7: have also like always been part of her, like the

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Speaker 7: larger text around her culturally. So I definitely think there's

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Speaker 7: a part of that too, of like, oh, like Jalah's

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Speaker 7: the mess because on the one hand, too, even as

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Speaker 7: she was was pretty safe, right, she never sort of

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Speaker 7: did anything too wild. She still for except for those

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Speaker 7: few years with Mark Anthony, like there still wasn't this

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Speaker 7: way in which she played like your typical good woman

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Speaker 7: like marrying blah blah blah, Like she went from person

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Speaker 7: to person, dated her dancer like she you know, she

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Speaker 7: did her thing, and in some.

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Speaker 6: Ways like that behavior reminds me more of like how

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Speaker 6: dudes in the industry act to be honest, and she

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Speaker 6: doesn't really feel too badly about it, And I think that.

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Speaker 7: I think that you're right. I do think that also,

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Speaker 7: even if folks aren't thinking about it, I do think

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Speaker 7: that's there in the background and sort of contributes to

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Speaker 7: this overall vitriol towards her too.

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Speaker 2: Oo.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Jillian, so much, so much, so

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Speaker 1: much for us to chew on, so much for us

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Speaker 1: to think about. And I hope none of our listeners

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Speaker 1: were in their comments hating on j Lo.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's just so hypocritical. Yeah, and talk about corny.

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Speaker 2: It's really corny.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it is corny. It's kind of basic. It's a

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Speaker 7: little bit basic. We can be a little more nuanced,

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Speaker 7: and like you said, there's other people doing things that

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Speaker 7: are actually harming folks out there, so maybe direct your

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Speaker 7: attention towards that.

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Speaker 4: Yes, on that note.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you, Jillian. We appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: We value your critique.

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Speaker 3: We love what you had to say.

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