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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People. Did Cool Stuff, your

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Speaker 1: weekly reminder that we can do good things instead of

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Speaker 1: just always doing bad things, but not in an ontological

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Speaker 1: moral way. Just to I'm your host, Margaret Kildre, and

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Speaker 1: with me today is my guest Andrew T.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Hi good.

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Speaker 3: I was debating whether I had enough time to off

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Speaker 3: off my sneak a little slice of orange.

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Speaker 2: But I don't worry listeners.

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Speaker 3: By the time this is done, I'll have eaten this

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Speaker 3: full orange and you'll you'll either know or you won't.

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Speaker 4: You can always tell when somebody's like a seasoned podcast

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Speaker 4: or by like, how well could I sneak this snack?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I just thought I had a little more intro time.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry. Usually I do, but I'm doing

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Speaker 1: this thing where I'm lazier with my intros now it's

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Speaker 1: sucking great.

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Speaker 3: Keep me on my on my orange toes. Okay, so

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Speaker 3: I'm holding up for the zoom. You see, I have

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Speaker 3: this much orange. This is going to be gone by

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Speaker 3: the time okay, by the time we finish.

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Speaker 1: It's a good choice of podcast snack too, right. It's

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Speaker 1: compared to like chips or something right where there's nothing Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, well, chips, you just gotta really lean lean

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Speaker 3: far back and kind of like you gotta you close

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Speaker 3: that teeth, which is pretty unnatural, but it kind of works.

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Speaker 1: Secrets of the podcasters, see, this is the only thing

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Speaker 1: I bring to the table.

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Speaker 2: Literally.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've spent all my time trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: what I can fidget with and what I can't fidget

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Speaker 1: with while I'm recording. M I can fidget with the

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Speaker 1: microphone sorry, the headphone cable that's twisty. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that one's good. I can't flick open and close a

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Speaker 1: knife or a lighter. They make noise.

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Speaker 3: I gotta I got a USB dongle that I flip

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Speaker 3: back and forth or yeah. I guess I just sort

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Speaker 3: of worry it a little bit. It's probably really bad

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Speaker 3: for it. I mean, I just realized, so I stole

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Speaker 3: my friends. As I'm really I'm holding it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter if it's bad or not.

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Speaker 2: This is not the one I bought.

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Speaker 1: So speaking of being good dear friends, Yes, so Andrew,

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Speaker 1: you know a bunch of people can collectively withhold their

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Speaker 1: labor and it's called a strike.

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Speaker 2: Oh boy, I'm trying.

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Speaker 3: I'm finding out this is this is uh strike. Strikes

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Speaker 3: are in the air, and I guess to the extent

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Speaker 3: that I can be loving it, I guess I'm loving it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Yeah, It's one of these things that like

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Speaker 1: is like really cool after the fact, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like during a strike. I've never been on strike for

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Speaker 1: more than like five minutes. My boss immediately caved because

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Speaker 1: though we were one hundred percent of his workforce, but

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Speaker 1: it actually is probably really hard to be on strike,

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Speaker 1: but they it sounds really cool later or from the outside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I uh, well, currently I am on strike. I

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Speaker 3: am a Writer's Guild of America member. We are on strike.

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Speaker 3: At the time of this recording. I think we're closing

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Speaker 3: on fifty days. I have not kept track. Also, I

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Speaker 3: had a very dark moment a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: because you know, there's so many you know, so much

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Speaker 3: of the history of the strike and the previous strikes

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Speaker 3: is about like how many days it's been.

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Speaker 2: And I had a real dark moment where I.

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Speaker 3: Was like, were they counting weekdays or like work days

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Speaker 3: fucking work days I'm going to lose it. But we

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Speaker 3: are closing in on half the length of the previous strike, which,

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Speaker 3: for boring business reasons, is I don't know how likely,

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Speaker 3: is likely that we're going to be somewhere around there. Also,

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Speaker 3: but there are so many more variables this time than

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Speaker 2: Of course I certainly don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, we're probably, you know, with like sixty

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm less tired that I thought, but

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Speaker 4: It's just what the Writer's Guild of America is asking

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Speaker 4: for is so unbelievably reasonable and fair that it's so

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Speaker 4: embarrassing for these networks and streaming companies. It's like, you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, the well, and that that sort

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Speaker 3: actual any details of the registract, the thing that probably

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Speaker 2: From what I understand what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to have anyone, but they also have

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Speaker 3: this real ethos of a tech company as opposed to

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Speaker 3: a traditional traditional media company and traditional media companies, though

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Speaker 3: they are, like any company, pretty anti union. You know,

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Speaker 3: Disney's worked with the unions for quite a long time

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Speaker 3: and they have a reasonable relationship. Whereas Netflix, well, you know,

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Speaker 3: I guess in one way of looking at it, Netflix

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Speaker 3: has worked with unions its entire existence. But on the

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Speaker 3: other way of looking at it, or sorry, Netflix Studios

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Speaker 3: has not Netflix the original DVD Store probably did. But

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Speaker 3: the other way of looking at it is the people

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Speaker 3: that's virulently anti union in Silicon Valley. So so those

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Speaker 3: folks really bring a different vibe. You know, there's entities

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know all the business.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure in an unsourced way, I will just

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Speaker 3: say with more confidence that I probably should that they're

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Speaker 3: sort of a lost leader slash vanity project for Jeff Bezos.

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Speaker 3: Another very anti union individual, Apple Studios, which is notorious

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Speaker 3: for one of the business practices we're striking against. Of

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Speaker 3: many rooms, you know, they they create television and movies

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Speaker 2: So does it matter to them?

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Speaker 3: It's unclear. So those are the things we don't know.

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Speaker 3: What we do know is, you know, they can't make

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Speaker 4: Writers and soon without actors.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Well, SAG voted.

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Speaker 4: To strike, but they're not on strike yet, is that correct?

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Speaker 2: SAG voted.

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Speaker 3: The membership of SAG voted to authorize a strike against

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Speaker 3: the WGA. I am sorry, against the AMPTP, the American

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Speaker 3: Motion Picture Television Producers's too.

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Speaker 1: Many acronyms in every labor related sece. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's the problem with more than four people. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the membership has given their negotiating committee and leadership by

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Speaker 3: I have no idea how their negotiations are going.

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Speaker 2: And really no one does.

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Speaker 3: That was one thing that kind of came out of

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Speaker 3: the writer's negotiation. Is the rumors swirling around after the

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Speaker 2: They were two to one completely false.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I almost in fact the actual outcome of

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Speaker 3: That was kind of the one rumor that wasn't really

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Speaker 3: and things like fell apart clearly and rapidly, like very

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Speaker 3: very early s you yeah, so on strike? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: on strike. Sorry, thanks for letting me know that is why.

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Speaker 3: And been on strike either, thank you. Yes, I've never

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Speaker 3: been on strike before. I don't think this is This

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Speaker 3: would be only the second union I've belonged to when

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Speaker 3: I was a teenager as a grocery bagger. This is

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Speaker 3: probably because it was Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Somehow.

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Speaker 3: We were organized under ua W, which seems must have

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Speaker 1: The unions wouldn't think what they can get sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't really seem a forgetting that you've in LA.

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Speaker 4: I was around for the last strike and it was long.

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Speaker 4: It was long, and like most of not not my

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Speaker 4: specific parents, but most of my friends' parents worked in

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Speaker 1: And it was long. It was long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, it's long. I mean we'll see. Well

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Speaker 3: that is the other thing. Yeah, as you mentioned, really,

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Speaker 3: the the other thing that is new on our side

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Speaker 3: this time is we have much stronger solidarity from especially

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Speaker 3: those things a little more if they want. We would

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Speaker 4: But is there anything up top that is there any

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you know what, No, there isn't anything.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I will say is you will know

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Speaker 3: The Writer's Guild is being much much more communicative than

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Speaker 3: they were even in prior labor actions that weren't a strike,

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Speaker 3: and I do commend them for that. That was the

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Speaker 1: Actually for a bunch of writers, right, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And they did.

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Speaker 3: They have done a much much better job of communicating,

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Speaker 3: so to that end. So, for instance, like I've seen

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Speaker 3: people like independently on Twitter saying things like I'm going

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Speaker 3: to cancel my Netflix in support, and that is not

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Speaker 3: what anyone's asking for right now. And you'll know when

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Speaker 3: and it will be more effective if you actually basically

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so no need to cancel on.

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Speaker 3: Netflix or anything like that yet, but you know, feel

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Speaker 3: free to tweet at them and call them uh, weird

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Speaker 1: Well, today we're going to talk about another strike that

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Speaker 1: you already have exceeded in length, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about a strike that closed out the nineteenth century.

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Speaker 1: It won important concessions from some of the most powerful

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Speaker 1: in this country talk about child labor, and most importantly,

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Speaker 1: speaking of Disney, it gave us a sick musical with

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Speaker 1: streets of New York. Amazing, because today we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Newsboys Strike of eighteen ninety in New

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Speaker 1: York City.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Yeah cool, I will say this.

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Speaker 3: I have not seen the musicals but on the other day,

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Speaker 3: we we've been doing sort of people have been organizing

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Speaker 3: and I just I wasn't sure what was happening.

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Speaker 3: And then it was Newsy's Day, and I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: unions in eighteen ninety nine. We're gonna talk about this.

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Speaker 1: And overall this actually puts them leagues ahead of other

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Speaker 3: But I mean that that is a real side of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. So you got these newsies and their job

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Speaker 1: completely meaningless number because you're talking about hundred years ago.

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00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: That's twelve dollars a day in today's money. Jesus, Like

440
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: that sucks. Yeah, well, you know it. Yeah, it's a

441
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: lot of money for a wee child, yeah, totally, is

442
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: often the sole breadwinner of their family.

443
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. God, that's fucking wild.

444
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

445
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

446
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: And so they didn't make a lot of money doing this,

447
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: and they they sold. Some of them sold their leftovers

448
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: at a loss to the night boys, who had the

449
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: even worst job of selling the like discount papers laid

450
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: into the night right. A few of them became bosses

451
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: sort of like these older newsies would hoard large stashes

452
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: and then sub hire helpers to run out and sell,

453
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: like on street corners and stuff. This was probably the

454
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: result of crewing up to hold onto prime territory and

455
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: or just people perpetuating expectation.

456
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Speaker 2: Right, It makes sense.

457
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's yeah, it's it's like that system

458
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: immediately creates incentives to like just just do your little

459
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 3: quasi crime empire on whatever block.

460
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

461
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know be like, hah, I'm rich. I

462
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: get fifty cents a day. Yeah, you know, new Zy

463
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: life was fucking hard. The conditions were bad, the pay

464
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: was bad. The independent contractor thing left them in competition

465
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: with each other over territory, and this was a fairly

466
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: violent thing. You hold onto your pitch as long as

467
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: you can physically defend it, and so they're a very

468
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: feighty bunch. This will come out to be to their advantage.

469
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, look, the tidy version of this is, yeah,

470
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: like they're independent contractors because it was to the papers

471
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: benefits to have them, you know, sub not like they

472
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: have them just precarious at all times.

473
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

474
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 3: And I will say one tidy thing about this writer

475
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: strike is that because we are also independent contractors, and

476
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 3: the business practice lately has been more and more time

477
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 3: off between shows if you're on a TV writer, or

478
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: like doing free work for a long time if you're

479
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: a movie writer. We are also very used to not

480
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 3: working for a long time, Like that's a good point,

481
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: that is, so, yeah, the thing that they have been

482
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 3: using as a cudgel against us has actually helped us

483
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: in this strike.

484
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Speaker 2: And yeah, again we're talking about very different things, I understand.

485
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: No, no, I mean a little example, I was like, I'm

486
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: going to find a strike that feels like, I is

487
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: a good way to talk about the writer's strike. That

488
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: is how I picked this topic.

489
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a it's a strike against a

490
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: media empire. And yeah, specifically the independent contractor thing is like,

491
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: like that is what we are as well.

492
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. But one of the other things about how hard

493
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: their lives was is that no one knew their lives

494
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: were this hard because the newspapers, with the only source

495
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: of information in the city, had a really strong incentive

496
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: to paint an idyllic picture of newsboy life, about these

497
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: plucky entrepreneurs who worked for themselves and were able to

498
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: support their families with like plenty of like idle time

499
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: and joy or whatever in their lives, you know. And

500
00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: so this like newsy singing and dancing thing is there's

501
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: a media construction from one hundred and twenty years ago at.

502
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 3: Least, oh right, oh my god, right, and nothing sanitizes

503
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: the people. You're like subjugating quite like, yeah, controlling their story.

504
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: God, yeah, some of them, some of the homeless kids

505
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: or some of the orphans lived in Newsboy House lodging houses.

506
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: The first one opened in eighteen fifty four for homeless

507
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: kids who didn't trust the existing infrastructure, because a lot

508
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: of a lot of people don't trust shelter, the shelter

509
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: system often in this case in eighteen fifty four, it

510
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 1: would like funnel kids into jail, right, and so they're like,

511
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: the hell with that, and so they're sleeping on the streets.

512
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: So some people set up lodging houses, and this actually

513
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: seems good, like honestly pretty right. It was five or

514
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: six cents a day. You got a bed and a

515
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: bath and I think food. I've read different things that

516
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: have implied different things about that. Kids. You could come

517
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,239
Speaker 1: and go whenever you wanted, as long as you were

518
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: home by midnight. But it's like if you missed curfew,

519
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: it's still come in the next day. You know, you

520
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: just can't come in at midnight. The first one was

521
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: only for boys. I don't know that there are other

522
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: ones that included girls or not, but they they were

523
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: open to all religions and races and the fact that

524
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: they weren't segregated is like actually a fairly big deal,

525
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: right right, right, right, Although in researching this, I learned

526
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: segregation for poor families got worse in America than the

527
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: twentieth century. In the nineteen thirties or so, it got

528
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: more like some of the way that they did public

529
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: housing in the nineteen thirties like made segregation more intense.

530
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but that that sort of just feels like, yeah,

531
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: as things get worse, and you know, no offense to

532
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 3: white folks, but like there is when when that rhetoric

533
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: and that type of push gets amped up, you know,

534
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: sort of regrettably and somewhat mysteriously, you know, poor white folks.

535
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Speaker 2: I would say, take the bait more off, but that

536
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: I think they should.

537
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah about like blaming blaming racialized others for the problems.

538
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's like, you know, it's a

539
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 3: surprisingly profitable playbook, I think for horrible people.

540
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: Yep. I think that is the history of that's like

541
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: the main actual history of twentieth century, nineteenth century and

542
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: twenty century labor in the America. And it's like not

543
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: the way.

544
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: That I mean, it's enough arguably the main main cudgel

545
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: for everything. I mean, you know, when when it's at

546
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: points when I've been thinking, like you know, or or

547
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: arguing with folks about like is my podcasts as racist?

548
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: Like what is the point?

549
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: And I to me, I've come to the conclusion that like,

550
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: I mean racism, American racism might be the folk roum

551
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: with which the world literally ends, or humanity literally ends.

552
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 3: Like that is the gasoline. Yeah, that like has allowed

553
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: all the other horrors to like exist potentially. Yeah, I

554
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: don't know, We'll see, We'll see what the history books

555
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 3: that don't get written say.

556
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: But if you want a history book that wait, hold on,

557
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: how many to turn us into an ads? And yes, okay, wait,

558
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: what else is a cudgel? Is cudgels from cudgel vendors,

559
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: our sponsor sticks with which to hit scabs, scabs, sticks

560
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: buy them?

561
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: Now, anything anything could be used to hit a scab.

562
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: And you know what, it's very very twenty first century.

563
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: But now, of course, for the writer's strike, just you know,

564
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: Twitter is your cudgel to snitch on a scab.

565
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: Or And here's some other ads that may or may

566
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: not also be for scab intimidating purposes and we are back.

567
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: So uh, let's see. So you have these lodging houses

568
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: and there's no smoking or cussing, and eventually later boys

569
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: were required to attend either a morning or an evening

570
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: class if they wanted to stay there. Because it's like

571
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: a very like reformer vibe, right, and so all these

572
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: people who are like, we're going to save these kids

573
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: or whatever, but again, like that often goes really bad. See,

574
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't know the Catholic church, but yeah, in this

575
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: particular case, I'm not aware. I've only found positive representations.

576
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's but right. And boys there could

577
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: learn trades, including sewing and cooking. Those were literally the

578
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: only two trades that I saw mentioned. Every bed had

579
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Speaker 1: a locker for their stuff, and over the course of

580
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: forty years, a particular lodging house claimed that a quarter

581
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: of a million different kids stayed there. And you're paying,

582
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: like you're sleeping in these like bunk beds in these

583
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: like giant halls or whatever, right, but you're also like

584
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: sleeping warm and not dying, and it's like a pretty

585
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: good deal. And not all of the orphan newsies, probably

586
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: not most of them were anywhere near so lucky as

587
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: the kids who stayed in these houses. In eighteen sixty six,

588
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 1: a man named Charles Loring Brace described the condition of

589
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: some of them. Quote, I remember one cold night seeing

590
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: some ten or a dozen of the little homeless creatures

591
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: piled together to keep each other warm beneath the stairway

592
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: of the New York Sun Office. They used to be

593
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: a mass of them at the Atlas Office, sleeping in

594
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: lobbies until the printers drove them away by pouring water

595
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: on them. Jesus, Yeah, could you imagine in that fucking asshole,

596
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: who would do that?

597
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: Right?

598
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: I mean.

599
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: That, I mean obviously maybe not obviously, like I would

600
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 3: have trouble I think doing that, but not you know,

601
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 3: I know that I would have trouble doing that. However,

602
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: I think the evidence is like, yeah, our alleged humanity

603
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 3: is much easier to strip away.

604
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, that's true. All of us have like

605
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: we would never do things that. Clearly the large percentage

606
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: of people do when yeah.

607
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 3: Right, the number of people that say I would not

608
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: commit an atrocity does not comport with the number of

609
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: people who when asked to commit atrocities.

610
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Speaker 2: So like totally something's up.

611
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, someone like wrong, pour water on these freezing children,

612
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: or you lose your job, you know, yeah yeah, or

613
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: even like I'm annoyed and I don't want to step

614
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: up whatever. People are bad. Yeah, yeah, so most of them,

615
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: most of the Newsies weren't homeless. Most of them were

616
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: sent out by their parents to buy papers and sell

617
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: them and bring that money home. And one of my

618
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: favorite facts I learned about newsy is a cultural thing

619
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Speaker 1: about them is that, according to the superintendent of the

620
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: boarding houses, newsies insist that they eat their pie first

621
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: at dinner. If they couldn't get pie, they would riot,

622
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: chanting pie, pie, pie and throwing food around. The boys

623
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: demand their pie.

624
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: All right. Yeah, it's been a minute since I've loved

625
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: pie that much.

626
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: But okay, I mean, you know, I don't know in

627
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: nineteenth century, yeah, food is like.

628
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 3: Right, the one I guess it also, though, is like

629
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 3: this thing where you're like, right, these are these are children?

630
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like children children?

631
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are like six to eighteen. If folks liked you,

632
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: you got a nickname. Most of the characters that we'll

633
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: talk about today have nicknames. But there's a couple that

634
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: I didn't work into the script that I just want

635
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: to read out. You've got kid Fish, You've got Scabooch,

636
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: You've got Crutch and Morris, You've got Barney Peanuts, you

637
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: got little slur for jew that's not actually what they

638
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: call them. Uh. You got fishbone skinnies, you got cheek Grubber,

639
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: you got Friedman, Frockets, young Monks, and hungry Joe.

640
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. I know, I feel like I feel

641
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: like the nickname game. I mean, obviously, I guess you

642
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: know why.

643
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: I was going to say something very everyone fancies some

644
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: solves like a real nickname person. But you know what,

645
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't be better than anyone else at the

646
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: nickname game.

647
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm realizing, I guess I say it out loud.

648
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: They also gave nicknames to their adult supporters, like three

649
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: women who were like news vendors with newstands. There was Aunt,

650
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: there was Beauty, and then Hannah Kleff's nickname was just Fight.

651
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: And I was a train hopper for a while, and

652
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: everyone had like tough as fuck names, right, I have

653
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: never met anyone with a name that goes as hard

654
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: as some lady just named Fight. Why she called that,

655
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Speaker 1: I don't know, fairly referenced.

656
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 2: Lovely.

657
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so those were the news with old fight

658
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, totally. I wouldn't mess with her, I

659
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: know that much.

660
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: I you know, I feel like there's like a twenty

661
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 3: four cent chance it's a because she was quite a

662
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: gentle soul life.

663
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: No, that's true.

664
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: The nickname game price falls just about those percentages.

665
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: You never know, but yeah, no, totally, Like little John

666
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: could be very small or very large, isn't in between.

667
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: This woman is either tough as nails or will like

668
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: spends all day taking kittens out of trees. And yeah,

669
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: like it's polarizing. That's all you know about a nickname.

670
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: It's either the thing or not the thing very much.

671
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: So totally poor poor beauty okay or not? Yeah no, yeah,

672
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: So these are the newsies, and across the country, but

673
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: especially in New York City, they actually go on strike

674
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: like kind of a lot. And it's interesting because there's

675
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: not much institutional memory that you're talking about when you're

676
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: talking about a job that someone holds free maximum of

677
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: eleven years. Most people probably for three or four years,

678
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, right. In eighteen eighty six, the Brooklyn Times

679
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: raised its price to newsboys and woos Wlliamsburg to one

680
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: in an eighth cent, while it stayed one cent in

681
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: downtown Brooklyn. It only took a one day strike to

682
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: get that solved. The newsies refused to buy the paper,

683
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: and they refuse to let anyone else buy the paper either.

684
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: All papers were one cent after that. In eighteen eighty seven,

685
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: this is my favorite, these little strikes. In Montgomery, Alabama,

686
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: the newsboys went on strike against a labor union, the

687
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: Knights of Labor, an American labor federation. They weren't technically

688
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: a union. They're like a weird Have you heard the

689
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: Nice of Labor?

690
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: Nope?

691
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: They should be so cool, right, they are the Nice

692
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: of Labor. They're a semi secret society. They come before

693
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: any other labor union stuff in America, and they're so boring.

694
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: They're just whenever you read about them, they're like they're

695
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: like the milk toast liberals. They're like, yeah, the not aggressives,

696
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: the not radicals, you know.

697
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's it's all the you know, the names.

698
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing though, It's like it's like

699
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: what you're saying about uh acronyms?

700
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, was that before we started rolling it? Might have been.

701
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: I was complaining about acronyms of labor unions before we

702
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: started rolling. There's too many of them.

703
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: But I think it's like, yeah, anyway, truly like the names.

704
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 2: When the names get picked, those those are the good names.

705
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: Get taken so long ago that yeah, almost by definition,

706
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: if institution has been going on long enough, it might

707
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: have an amazing name, but it has gone quite soft

708
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 3: if it still exists totally.

709
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the Knights of Labor used to be an

710
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: actually secret society before they became semi secret, and maybe

711
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: they like function up and ruled. But yeah, I don't

712
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: know about that, but I do know they raised their

713
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: newsboy prices from thirty five cents per hundred to fifty

714
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: cents per hundred copies of their paper, so the news

715
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: struck flinging mud at scabs. This embarrassed the shit out

716
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: of the Knights of Labor because they were a labor federation.

717
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: I actually couldn't track down the results of the strike.

718
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm I think it was successful, but I don't know.

719
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, that is the thing.

720
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's less but not I don't know enough.

721
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: I know it has, you know, happened I think recently ish,

722
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: but it is like the employees of labor unions and

723
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 3: more but more often like things like nonprofits or places

724
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: that are nominally doing good. Really, it is a little

725
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: shocking how little people practice what they preach with their

726
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: actual direct employees.

727
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: Totally.

728
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: It's fucked up.

729
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if you want to destroy a nonprofit, unionize

730
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: its workers. It should be the easiest workplace in the

731
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: world to unionize. Yeah, and shout out to anyone who's

732
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: a union organizer in a nonprofit world, you are doing

733
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 1: very important work.

734
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

735
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: In eighteen eighty nine, we get another strike in New

736
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: York City. This one is a lot like the one

737
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: that came aft ten years later, to the point where

738
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: literally I had to spend a while being like is

739
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: this a typo? When I would read eighteen eighty nine

740
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: and all these newspapers because this was gonna sound whatever.

741
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to say these things, but you

742
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: all don't know the rest of the story yet, so

743
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound prescient yet. Two newspapers, The Evening Sun

744
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: in the Evening World tried to hike their rates from

745
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: fifty cents to sixty cents. The Newsboys of Manhattan Brooklyn

746
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: both struck and of course an important part of striking

747
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: is stopping scab labor. So they followed delivery wagons. They

748
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: pelted the delivery wagons with rocks. They threw mud at

749
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: a political cartoonist who was against the strike. I didn't

750
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: realize how much flinging mud was like a literal thing

751
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: instead of a metaphorical thing in the nineteenth century. And

752
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: they burned stacks of the newspapers in the street. They

753
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: would like run and capture them and then just set

754
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: them on fire. Hell yeah, yeah, and apparently like dance

755
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: around the bond fires and shit, hoot and holler, and.

756
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 2: It really is. It's true.

757
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 3: It's like the just thinking of like where you'd even

758
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 3: get mud in Manhattan is kind of freaking me out.

759
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 3: Oh it wasn't paved yet, Yeah right, no, I know, yeah,

760
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 3: it's definitely what a different era. Yeah, during this strike,

761
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: an eleven year old an Italian by the name of

762
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 3: Joseph Baldy, he tore up the newspapers of a kid

763
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: who was scabbing, so the cops arrested him. So another

764
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: eleven year old, a Polish kid named Arthur Lufft, hit

765
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: the cop of the bail stick. And I know what

766
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: you're thinking, what the fuck is a bail stick? And

767
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck a bail stick is

768
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: because I assume it's a pole you used to bail

769
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 3: hey or move bales of hay. But the only Google

770
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: results for bailstick are New York Times from the turn

771
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: of the century talking to various people hitting and killing

772
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: each other with bail sticks in the city. Oh god,

773
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 3: so I'm guessing that they are a common improvised weapon.

774
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it? Like, I mean, the thing that you

775
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: bail hay with is like a little book right now?

776
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, Oh yeah, or like something you.

777
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: Paid it it is with so visceral Like anytime you're

778
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: like anytime you talk about like, yeah, I guess original labor,

779
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: whether it's like you know, pick axes and axe handles

780
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: or axes or whatever it is. I'm just like, I mean,

781
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: I know it's good that humanity is not built like

782
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 3: that anymore.

783
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.

784
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it' there's like there's some like questions around

785
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: the efficacy of violence as relates to labor actions, and

786
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: like also the morality of violences related to labor actions

787
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: that like and.

788
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: I guess guns really changed a lot of that shit.

789
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true. Yeah fuck so yeah, so so

790
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: Arthur left. The eleven year old hits the cop with

791
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: a bail stick and then leads a crowd of one

792
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: hundred kids to de arrest their but Arthur is also arrested.

793
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 3: This is how we have their names. It's like from

794
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 3: criminal records. Both of them are taken to Enemy of

795
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 3: the Pod, the Tombs in New York City. If anyone

796
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 3: has someone goes to the Tombs on your cool people

797
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 3: bingo card, go ahead and mark that square. Basically everyone

798
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: gets sent to the Tombs. It's this very depressing jail

799
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: in Manhattan. Even though the most newsboys were not formally organized. Okay,

800
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 3: so that was that strike.

801
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: And so even though most newsboys were not formally organized,

802
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: they were also more reliable for solidarity than other people

803
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: were with them, so they were constantly sticking up for

804
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: other strikes, much like the Screen Actors Guild is now

805
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: sticking up for you. During the eighteen ninety four Pullman

806
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: strike in Chicago, which was a train strike, there was

807
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: a boycott organized newspapers that printed articles against the boycott

808
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: found that the newsies would drop those papers into the sewers.

809
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: So suddenly the press had to be a little bit

810
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: more positive about the strike because the eleven year olds

811
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: who sold their ship wanted to be on the right

812
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: side of history.

813
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: I mean it is like really funny.

814
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 3: It's like you're almost talking about like, yeah, the newsy

815
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: is being the last mile in terms of delivering media.

816
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: Is some real like Elon Musk, the fascist buys Twitter

817
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 3: kind of shit where you're like, yeah, just like the

818
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: last the last mile can really influence shit.

819
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: You're right, that is those people have no power.

820
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I wish that Twitter was run by a

821
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: bunch of eleven year olds. It would be substantially better

822
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: than it is under Elon Musk.

823
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds the problem is not like humor wise,

824
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: it is, but fascism wise.

825
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: It's. Yeah, the problem is that's like a real Nazi

826
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 2: eleven year old.

827
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah you no, no, but no, it needs to be run

828
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: by a whole bunch of actual several Yeah, not one

829
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: old man who likes to pretend that he is young

830
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: and acts like he is young.

831
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, a grip of children for CEO.

832
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that is the new motto of every.

833
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: Good The only good billionaire is like ten million children.

834
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: In a trench coat.

835
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

836
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there's way more strikes than just these. Many

837
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: went unremembered, like literally, like there's like one in eighteen

838
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: ninety three in New York City that the only reference

839
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: that we have to it was a kid giving a

840
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: speech later being like, hey, we won an eighteen ninety three,

841
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna win now, and like and maybe there's other

842
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: references to it that I couldn't find, but the news

843
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: are being you know, it's like it's the history isn't

844
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: recessarily just written by the victors. It's written by the newspapers, right.

845
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 3: Right, And so in this case, the losers yeah totally

846
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 3: yeah boom, you don't want to admit that lost.

847
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: And so there weren't too many people speaking for the

848
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: voiceless street kids, and mainstream labor wasn't actually helping them

849
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: very much either. So the strike of eighteen ninety nine

850
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: wasn't out of the blue. It's still ruled, and let's

851
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: talk about it, just kidding us. Let's give more context, hahaha,

852
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: all contexts, context all the way down. Baby, don't worry.

853
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 1: Most of the context people hitting cops with sex. It's great.

854
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: Context is the real text.

855
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, just means with text, I don't actually know

856
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: the oediblagy.

857
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 2: I mean it has to be. Yeah.

858
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: So in eighteen ninety eight, the US had a little

859
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: war with Spain. It was called the Spanish American War.

860
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: We're not going to get into it, but it is

861
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: worth knowing that it was like like newspaper people like

862
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: took credit for starting that war. I don't remember which one.

863
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: I didn't write it into the script. It's worth knowing

864
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: that war means good headlines means good newspaper sales, and

865
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: so unfortunately for the newspaper companies, but fortunately for I

866
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: don't know, human life, the war didn't last very long.

867
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: During the war, it was a seller's market, and newspapers

868
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: jacked up their prices and they charged the newsboys sixty

869
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: cents per one hundred copies instead of fifty cents. And

870
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: some newsies were like, the hell with this, you can't

871
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: raise their prices, but most of them were like, you

872
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: know what, war sells, It's fine. We're selling so many

873
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: more papers. We more than make up for it in bulk,

874
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: even though I have a lower profit margin. But then

875
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: the war ended, and all the papers lowered their prices

876
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: back down to fifty cents, except two of them, the

877
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: two biggest papers in New York City, decided they quite

878
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: liked making more profit, thank you very much, And they

879
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: didn't care that they're already starving newsboys would have to

880
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: starve harder. These two papers, they're run by men. People

881
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: still remember today. Most people don't realize that they're villains.

882
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: I think people pretend all the time that these two

883
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: were fierce, right, that they were bitter enemies. That's just

884
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: not true. They were like in competition with each other,

885
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: and they worked constantly together against the real enemies children. Yeah,

886
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: I don't know how'll just say that.

887
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 3: I mean watching watching this happen firsthand, Like you know,

888
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: as as this writer, the writer's build. We are striking

889
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: against a conglomeration of companies who I don't even know

890
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: who that should be fighting each other. It is shocking

891
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: the amount of solidarity. I mean, without getting into the weeds,

892
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: it is like some companies within the studios that were

893
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: striking against stand a profit much more from the systems

894
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: that they're trying to uphold. Yeah, and it is truly

895
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 3: shocking that places like I don't know, we'll say, like

896
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: a CBS is handing the entity Netflix, which will one

897
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: day destroy, literally handing them ammunition with this strike, with

898
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: this action.

899
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: No that they the enemy always has saw the giant

900
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: corporations always have solidarity with each other. It's so hard

901
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: to write when you talk about like newspapers or Netflix. Right,

902
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: it's like I like watching TV. I presume you like

903
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: writing TV. Like the the union people in the newspapers

904
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: like making these papers. It's literally just the companies, the

905
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: institutions themselves, not necessarily the individuals within it inside some

906
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: of the individuals at the top who when I'm like

907
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: the enemy, you know, it's like, yeah, so these two

908
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: the enemy of children are men named Joseph Pulitzer and

909
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: William Randolph Hurst Senior. Pulitzer is of course remembered as

910
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: the namesake for the Journalism Prize. These two together invented

911
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: what's called yellow journalism aka clickbait. More ways, they disrupted.

912
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: They came in and disrupted traditional newspapers.

913
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: They actually they disrupted actual informa.

914
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Yeah. They led with sex and violence and

915
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: huge misleading headlines. One of them like invented the headline

916
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: that actually goes across the entire paper instead of just

917
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: like being at the top of the little column. And

918
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: they also well, okay, two things. One is that they

919
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: collaboratively decided to not raise, to not lower their prices together, right,

920
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: because if only one of them had these were these

921
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: were in a huge fight with each other, right, and

922
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: so if only one of them had lowered their prices, like,

923
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: it would have gone bad for them, right. Yeah, yeah,

924
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: but friendly competition. Okay. The other thing that they did

925
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: is they developed this whole trick where the real customer

926
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: was their advertisers. But they get people to pay you

927
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: for the right to get ads shoved down your throat.

928
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: So they're getting paid on both sides, which is why

929
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: it's worth pointing out that we hear at cool zone

930
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: Media give you the choice, eh, eh, it's either free

931
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: with ads or you pay us and then there's no ads.

932
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: I tried to write this snarky, but honestly, I think

933
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: it's actually a really important difference between trying to get

934
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: paid on both sides of it. Yeah, so that came

935
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: off so genuine, Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, And uh so,

936
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,280
Speaker 1: if you are one of our paid subscribers on cooler

937
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: zone Media, which is currently an Apple podcast and eventually

938
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: hopefully be also available for Android.

939
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 4: You can soon stop asking, I'll tell you, yeah.

940
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: Stop asking Sophie about it, unless it's already happened, in

941
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: which case it's funny to ask Sophie. You can find Sophie.

942
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 4: Don't ask, right, Okay, Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

943
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: So either listen to ads or don't, depending on which

944
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: choice you've made.

945
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 2: Or you can choose to do both.

946
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: Choose both.

947
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: That is a way to double support.

948
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 3: If you, the listener want to want to get get

949
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: an extra weird gold star.

950
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And we're gonna make extra weird gold Stars

951
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: and send them to you as long as you just

952
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: add us on Twitter at I read. Okay, okay. To

953
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: talk about Pulitzer, if you take out the whole mistreatment

954
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: of children thing, Pulitzer starts off looking okay. He was

955
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: a Hungarian Jewish immigrant to the US who fought for

956
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: the Union in the Civil War, and stopping slavery wins

957
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: a lot of points in my book. Right, there's a

958
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: lot of like pretty mediocre people who did that thing,

959
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well you did that thing. That was

960
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: a big one, you know. He also rode freight trains,

961
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: around after the war looking for work, and I just

962
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: think that's esthetically cool. My grandfather used to do that.

963
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: He worked sixteen hour days to break his way into journalism.

964
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: His coworkers treated him very well and with respect and

965
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: gave him the nickname Joey the Jew because they didn't

966
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: actually treat him with respect. And then he got himself

967
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: into office as a Republican. And I feel like it's

968
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: worth saying anytime I mentioned the word republican in the

969
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: nineteenth century on the show, that I need to point

970
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: out that this means the opposite of what it means today,

971
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: republican other kind. Yeah, totally og And you know, you

972
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: end his story here and he's great, but he was

973
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: really into capitalism. So eventually he left the Republicans and

974
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: joined the Democrats. Now that the shadow of the Confederate

975
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: so he was dropping away.

976
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 3: Other kind, but not as much the other kind as

977
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 3: yea for the other kind.

978
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, around the time it was starting to shift. I

979
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: think at least anti slavery was more important to him

980
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: than being pro free market was. Soon he spent his

981
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: time both trying to control people through elected office and

982
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: controlling people through the news. He was fairly upfront about this.

983
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: He started the Saint Louis Post Dispatch. He crushed some

984
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: unionizing there. He moved to New York City. He bought

985
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: The New York World. He built it up to be

986
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: the biggest paper in the country, of the circulation of

987
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 1: six hundred thousand copies. And then you've got Hurst. Hurst

988
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 1: was a rich wasp who was raised by a rich

989
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: fuck wasp. He claimed to be a progressive democrat the

990
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: working classes friend, but he was not. And then he

991
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: later became a fierce anti communist and conservative who loved Hitler,

992
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: literal Hitler. And then he built himself a castle overlooking

993
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: the ocean.

994
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: So, yeah, which we're remarkably chill about. Honestly, it's I know,

995
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 3: but you know what if we if we include the

996
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 3: architecture of every Nazi lover, where would we be as

997
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: a society?

998
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: You know, I want to look in the ocean?

999
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the castle park concentrated on the castle park,

1000
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: not the Nazi part.

1001
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, totally.

1002
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: You get them to build it, and then you will

1003
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: still drive forwards, come on, totally.

1004
00:54:54,800 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, there are villains, fuck them both. They decided

1005
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: to fuck over literal children. The literal children who had

1006
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: built their fortune, not just random children, but literally the

1007
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: ones who had built their fortune by going out late

1008
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: at night, starving, screaming extra extra, read all about it.

1009
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: The children were like, nah, fuck that. So they went

1010
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: on strike. And this strike is actually fairly typical of

1011
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: a Newsy strike, although larger in scale, and so the

1012
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: prices stayed high. The war has ended, the prices stay high.

1013
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: So on July eighteenth, eighteen ninety nine, the one thing

1014
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: I think people get wrong about this is me being potentic.

1015
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: The one thing people get wrong about it wasn't just

1016
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: like one day they raised the prices and people were like, no,

1017
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: more right, The prices hadn't gone down, And then eventually

1018
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: people were like, but we're literally starving. We can't do

1019
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: this right. Our profit margin cannot you know, going from

1020
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: twenty five cents a day to like, I don't know,

1021
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: eighteen cents a day or less is not a doable thing.

1022
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: So on July eighteenth, eighteen ninety nine, newsboys in Long

1023
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: Island City, only time that that will ever come up

1024
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: in any history book ever, the only thing that's ever

1025
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: happened in Long Island City. They turned over a wagon

1026
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: for the new York Journal and they're like, man, fuck this.

1027
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: And they might have announced this as a strike, but

1028
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: I think it was just an insurrectionary labor action, like

1029
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: completely unorganized. The next day, Newsy's in Manhattan Brooklyn were like, oh,

1030
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: it's a strike. They formed a union. It was called

1031
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: the Newsboys Union. They elected officers and they refuse to

1032
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: take papers to sell, and of course, just as importantly,

1033
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: they refuse to let anyone else take papers to sell

1034
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: as well. The president on paper was a guy named

1035
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: David Dave Simmons, who doesn't even get a cool nickname. Literally,

1036
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: his nickname was Dave.

1037
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 2: That is I disagreed, that is cool.

1038
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 5: Okay, name is no, name is David, and you go

1039
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 5: by David, quotes Dave and then Simmons. It was like,

1040
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 5: that's so bonkers, it's I think it's quite cool.

1041
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 1: No, all right, all right, I'm here because he gets

1042
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: presented as like the boring guy, right yeah, because he

1043
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: was not a good speaker and he mostly like gave

1044
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: speeches about like the numbers and how things were going.

1045
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: But this actually makes sense because okay, he'd been selling paper.

1046
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: He's twenty one when this starts, he's like the oldest

1047
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: of them. He'd been selling paper since he was eight,

1048
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: and he was an amateur boxer who would like prize

1049
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: fight on the street, my god, and he had a

1050
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: prime spot for selling papers because anyone who wanted it

1051
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: could have it. They just had to lick him as

1052
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: how he used it and no one could do it.

1053
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: I suspect this is how he ended up the president

1054
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: of the union. It was not his charisma, it was

1055
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: his Yeah, don't fuck with Dave. You're right in a

1056
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: world full of like, I don't know hid fish and yes,

1057
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: don't fuck with Dave.

1058
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: Dave.

1059
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: Dave is the actual scariest motherfucker are out.

1060
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: That's terrifying. Who is he?

1061
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 3: Oh? His name is David. He goes by Dave. What

1062
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 3: he doesn't need a better nickname? Yeah, gotcha, loud and clear.

1063
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I bet other people try to give him nicknames

1064
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: and he just punched them. You know, they're like, I'm Dave. Yeah.

1065
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 5: I like.

1066
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: I like how entertained Andrew is by this entire bit.

1067
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: It's just so weird. It's it's just it's like, who do.

1068
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: You know? You could be anything? He could be danned off,

1069
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean.

1070
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally anything.

1071
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I say he was the leader. He's the

1072
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: leader on paper, because the leadership in this organization was very,

1073
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: very informal, so you might imagine this was technically a union,

1074
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: but it was not a bureaucratic engine. People were generally

1075
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: more loyal to their regions than to any central leadership.

1076
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: For example, you had spot Conlin over in Brooklyn, who

1077
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: was the leader there. He always wore pink suspender and

1078
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: he got the best line in the nineteen ninety two

1079
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: Disney version of this when he shows up with a

1080
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 1: slingshot and he says, never fear, Brooklyn is here. And

1081
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if he was as small as he

1082
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: was in the I couldn't find enough information about spot

1083
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: Conlin in the movie. He's like the small kid who's

1084
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Speaker 1: like the scary boss of Brooklyn that you don't want

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00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: to mess with. The strike's method was fairly simple. You

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Speaker 1: stop the papers from getting sold. However you feel like

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00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: stopping the papers from getting sold. Anyone selling the papers,

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Speaker 1: kid or adult, would get mobbed up, possibly beaten up,

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Speaker 1: depending on what you're reading, and have his papers destroyed

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Speaker 1: or just followed around by people yelling scab, scab, scab

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Speaker 1: all day. Soon most scabs joined the strike.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not like a little little shave and just like

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Speaker 3: seeing you're on the wrong side of things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, totally. So at one point, a scabbing kid

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Speaker 1: was with a scabby kid was selling papers and he

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Speaker 1: was being guarded by a cop. Like directly, this cop

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01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: was like defending his one kid. So a news he

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Speaker 1: named Young Mush spoke up and Young Mush got his

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: name because he had a girlfriend, and that was like mushy, like, ew'

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Speaker 1: go girlfriend, Yeah, your name is young Mush. I love it,

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Speaker 1: he said, basically, And this is like a direct quote

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Speaker 1: from a newspaper, but I don't believe the direct quotes

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01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: from newspapers around this. He said, quote that CoP's too

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Speaker 1: fat to run fast, and I'll get him after me

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Speaker 1: if you'll tend to the scab when he gets away.

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Speaker 1: So Young Mush walks up, snatches the kid's papers and

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Speaker 1: just takes off running. The cop chases him, and fifteen

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01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: strikers beat up the scab. The scabbing kid runs off.

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Speaker 1: They catch up with him a few blocks away and

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Speaker 1: are like, so, are you with us, and he's like, yeah,

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01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm with you, and then he yeah, that day helps

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Speaker 1: bring down someone who's trying to smuggle some papers into Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm you know, yeah, it's sort of like

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Speaker 3: those are the tools you got.

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Speaker 1: And I understand, yeah totally.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking actually about this because one of the

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Speaker 3: as far as I know, I don't know the formal

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Speaker 3: process for what the Writer's Guild will do about scabs.

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Speaker 3: The thing I've heard the most, which again I'm not

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent sure how like true this is or

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Speaker 3: what the process is, but it is a little funny

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Speaker 3: that one of the things the Writer's Guild of America

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Speaker 3: can hold over potential scabbers is that you will not

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Speaker 3: be allowed or potentially I think in you know, I

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Speaker 3: guess it would have to be incredibly egregious. You would

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Speaker 3: have your health insurance taken away, or you would not

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01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 3: be able to join the guild and get guild health insurance.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And it is a little bonkers that truly,

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Speaker 3: Like the reason they have this cudgel is because America

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01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 3: is so fucked up.

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Speaker 1: That's totally.

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Speaker 3: Like withholding health insurance is like a pretty terrifying thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like actually fairly comparable to beating someone up. Both

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Speaker 1: some of them are your health will get worse yeah,

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Speaker 1: although I would rather take like get beat up when

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Speaker 1: I'm thirteen by some other thirteen year olds, which happened

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01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: to me on a regular basis, then like die of

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01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: cancer untreated or whatever, you know, right right, I'm not trying.

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Speaker 1: It's just I'm just it's amazing that yeah, our country.

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Speaker 3: It is just it's just so yeah, it's just wild

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01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 3: that like this the truly the one piece of leverage

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01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 3: we have over scabs, honestly is this thing where I'm like,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it is possible, it's possible that the other papers

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01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: were playing up all of the violence to sell papers. Right,

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01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: For the most part, the striker's goal was the destruction

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01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: of newspapers and the and scabers no scabs no longer,

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01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: choosing to continue in that behavior rather than specifically through violence.

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01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I believe that there was a

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01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: decent amount of violence, and I don't know to what

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01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: degree it was exaggerated by all the newspapers. It's the

1152
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: golden era of newspapers lying, and this strike just fucked

1153
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: up the paper's profit margin. The public loved the newsies,

1154
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: advertisers dropped, circulation dropped about seventy percent. The strike spread

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01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: to New Jersey quick enough through delegates that were sent

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01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 1: out to different regions and also just people other people

1157
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: acting on their own through like sort of insurrectionary means.

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Speaker 1: And it was joined in the end by And I'm

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Speaker 1: going to pull up the list Manhattan, Brooklyn, the Bronx,

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Speaker 1: Staten Island, Long Island City, Mount Vernon, Newark, Troy, Clifton,

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Speaker 1: Jersey City, Hoboken, Elizabeth, New Jersey, Trenton, Plainfield, Fall River, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 1: New Haven, Norwalk, Norwalk. I don't know un to pronounce

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01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 1: New England names. Cincinnati, Ohio. Yeah, maybe it just actually

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01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: said New York.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, we should deserved to read it.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati, Ohio, Lexington, Kentucky. Also probably Queens. Queens wasn't on

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Speaker 1: the list that I found, but another place pointed out

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Speaker 1: that all the Burroughs, Yeah I.

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Speaker 2: Got to be Queens. I know, I was the biggest Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, I.

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Speaker 2: Think physically it's the biggest.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Queen's is where I've spent more time than any

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Speaker 1: of the others actually, But so yeah, this strike is

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Speaker 1: now referred to, or at the time it becomes referred to,

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Speaker 1: as the most successful strike in the history of the

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: city and several regional papers have been trying to creep

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Speaker 1: up their wholesale prices. Immediately were like, oh never mind,

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Speaker 1: I like being fifty cents. That's cool with me. Hurst

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Speaker 1: himself was run off by a crowd of newsies at

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Speaker 1: one point. Well, which might be why like the Empire

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01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: he struck back, which we'll hear about on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Wow, yes, you know who came up with that?

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01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:08,919
Speaker 3: A writer, A writer's old writer wouldn't exist without us?

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Speaker 4: Amazing. Wow, Andrew, do you have anything you'd like to plug?

1185
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: Just doing this racist? Please give us a listen.

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01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 3: If you like this vibe with I'll just say one

1187
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 3: point one less research. If it's all vibes that no

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01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 3: facts you're looking for, Jos, this racist is a place

1189
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Speaker 3: to go, Sophie, what do you got?

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Speaker 4: We have a new show on cools and Media that

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Speaker 4: launched recently. If you're listening in current time, it's called

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Speaker 4: Sad Oligarch. It is hosted by j Canrahan and it

1193
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Speaker 4: is an investigative series that dives into the mysterious deaths

1194
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 4: of all the Russian billionaire oligarchs that just keep falling

1195
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:06,840
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Speaker 4: it's on all the things.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and if you like children fighting against oligarchy.

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Speaker 1: I'm currently kickstarting a tabletop role playing game called PA

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01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: Number City that I'm one of the writers for. And

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01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: one of the character classes you can play is a

1202
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: rat king, who is an orphaned child who eats mushrooms

1203
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: to communicate with rats and sends them out as swarms

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01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: against his enemies and or her enemies or their enemies.

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Speaker 1: And you can find it by googling the Number City.

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01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: Probably you don't even tape Kickstarter. It's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of things named Pa Number City, true, but it's one

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, if there's another one, there's definitely

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Speaker 3: a rat king that's true.

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Speaker 1: Oh and you can hear Jamie Loftus, Cool Zone Media's

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Speaker 1: own Jamie Loftis and me and a few other people

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01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: playing Pu Number City on YouTube if you look at

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01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: our Kickstarter there's a link to it in a bunch

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Speaker 1: of other places. But we play a game of it,

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Speaker 1: and you can hear Jamie Loftus as a rat king

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01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: based in Jamie piled Yeah. See you all, Wednesday.

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