Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome back to another episode of the Betting
Speaker 1: Pros NFL podcast. I'm your host, Dan Harris. You can
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter at Dan Harris eighty. With me,
Speaker 1: of course, is Matt host of the Daily Juice podcast.
Speaker 1: You can find him on Twitter at Sports Talk Matt. Matt.
Speaker 1: What's up Week four?
Speaker 2: Let's get going here. We're kind of tread and water.
Speaker 2: We're like a duck right now. We're just gonna tread
Speaker 2: and water. We've gotta get going.
Speaker 1: And I mean, it's unfortunate that we're not able to
Speaker 1: bet on the most exciting game of the week, which
Speaker 1: is the Jets. I mean, we could.
Speaker 2: How do feel, honest to gosh, as a Jet fan?
Speaker 2: How do you feel about your football team right now?
Speaker 1: I think my football team is one of the biggest
Speaker 1: embarrassments in the country, which says a lot. I think
Speaker 1: that they're horrific and they have the worst coach in
Speaker 1: the league. I tell you what I really think about
Speaker 1: the season. Though. What really bugs me.
Speaker 2: By the way, at the top of taping, you have
Speaker 2: the worst coach in the league.
Speaker 1: That's true, although there's a report today that they weren't going
Speaker 1: to fire him. I was like, great. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna I mean, whether he survives this season
Speaker 1: or not. I don't know. The big thing for me
Speaker 1: is I don't Maybe you feel differently. I don't really
Speaker 1: feel like I have enough of the sense of whether
Speaker 1: I can evaluate Darnald Yet he makes some horrific throws
Speaker 1: and some terrible decisions, but he also unquirks a lot
Speaker 1: of pretty amazing things that I've seen him do, and
Speaker 1: I never I don't think he's been given a fair shake,
Speaker 1: given his coach and given the team they put around him.
Speaker 1: So I guess out of curiosity before we get into it,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you feel about Darnald in
Speaker 1: the future, Because I could see us getting the number
Speaker 1: one pick, drafting Lawrence, getting rid of Darnald, and then
Speaker 1: him winning like six championships for the Pats or something
Speaker 1: like that. Right Like, That's how I can see it.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe, I mean you kind of have to
Speaker 2: ask me tomorrow morning, because I bet the Jets do
Speaker 2: win today. So at naldas if he plays his butt
Speaker 2: off and he's you know, lighten up that defense for
Speaker 2: the Broncos, and I'm gonna be like, go Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2: If he loses tonight, I'm gonna say tank for Trevor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm sure it won't be impressive no matter what.
Speaker 1: But either way, we are, unfortunately both on the Jets side,
Speaker 1: not in our contest, and we are not advising anybody.
Speaker 1: Don't know, yell at us at the Jets lowers. It's
Speaker 1: just a game that you bet because otherwise, even as
Speaker 1: a Jets fan, there's absolutely no reason to watch. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get into every game for this weekend,
Speaker 1: as we do every single time we record. But as always,
Speaker 1: let us recap where we are in the Draft Kings Championship.
Speaker 1: We were five and five coming in, so just kind
Speaker 1: of treading water, and as Matt said, we're still kind
Speaker 1: of treading water. We went three and two last week,
Speaker 1: so at least a winning week. We're two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty fifth out of six hundred and eighty nine, so
Speaker 1: not great, but not the worst in the world. We
Speaker 1: missed on the Chargers laying six and a half to
Speaker 1: the Panthers. Remind us never to back a rookie quarterback.
Speaker 1: As you said, no good. We did hit on the
Speaker 1: Steelers laying three and a half to the Texans, the
Speaker 1: Pats laying five and a half to the Raiders, which
Speaker 1: we both loved, and the chiefs S getting three and
Speaker 1: a half from the Ravens. We really enjoyed. The last
Speaker 1: time we will see Patrick mahone getting points from anyone.
Speaker 1: And on the podcast, we had picked the Titans laying
Speaker 1: two and a half to the Vikings. Matt messaged me
Speaker 1: on Saturday, because we talk, you know, we generally messaged
Speaker 1: Arount the week, said some sharps had really really pushed
Speaker 1: him off of that number, so we decided to move off.
Speaker 1: We didn't really have another pick that we love, so
Speaker 1: Matt allowed me to go with the Giants getting three
Speaker 1: and a half from the four Nines, which just missed.
Speaker 1: But also the other games that we were thinking about
Speaker 1: also did not go well anyway. We were talking about
Speaker 1: maybe the Falcons or the Cowboys, so we would have
Speaker 1: lost that pick anyway. So three and two, eight and
Speaker 1: seven on the year. We need a good week, So
Speaker 1: we're gonna go back and forth a bit. Matt is
Speaker 1: going to list his top choice. I will list my
Speaker 1: top choice. I talked to my briefly before we got on.
Speaker 1: He sounds like he is not feeling all that good
Speaker 1: I have, Matt. I think I have nine games that
Speaker 1: if you came up, I don't feel great. But let
Speaker 1: me qualify that I don't feel great. But if you
Speaker 1: came to me right now, if you list one of
Speaker 1: those games, I will probably just be like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I'll go with that. Okay, So
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that again. I will remind everybody props
Speaker 1: props are not out yet. That's just the way it
Speaker 1: is with the sports books. They don't come out until
Speaker 1: late So again I will remind you. Matt does a
Speaker 1: live stream on our YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash
Speaker 1: Betting Pros on Sunday morning at eleven am Eastern, so
Speaker 1: that's eight am Matt's time. He goes through the entire
Speaker 1: slate for the week, if you've changed anything. He also
Speaker 1: does props. I give him a couple of props. I
Speaker 1: was six for six on my props. I only give
Speaker 1: Matt two because they were the only two I felt
Speaker 1: really good about. But I was six for six over
Speaker 1: all my props. Again, I do fantasy projections. So hopefully
Speaker 1: things are starting to normalize a little bit, because the
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks were a little more difficult for
Speaker 1: me to get a sense of. But anyway, we will
Speaker 1: do that. As always, if we change any of the
Speaker 1: picks we discussed today, we will note them on Twitter
Speaker 1: at Tan Harris Ati at Sports Talk. Matt, let's get
Speaker 1: into it, Matt, start us off. Who is your Do
Speaker 1: you have any games that you are like excited about?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Again, yes, go ahead.
Speaker 2: You gonna start with the one I like the most.
Speaker 1: You can, Matt, the world is your oyster man. Start
Speaker 1: whatever you want.
Speaker 2: Let's start with the Let's Biggs Raiders at home catching
Speaker 2: two and a half? Oh wow, already and out of
Speaker 2: you first?
Speaker 1: Okay, how long how long are you just going to
Speaker 1: avoid the Bills? How long are you just going to
Speaker 1: fade the Bills until they eventually win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: And you're gonna be like, I don't know next year
Speaker 1: though that, Josh.
Speaker 2: So you tell me, should they have one last week? No?
Speaker 2: So we're going on a team that got a massive break.
Speaker 2: It's coming across the country to take on a team
Speaker 2: in the Raiders who are playing at home, who rested
Speaker 2: a bunch of guys, and we don't know exactly who's
Speaker 2: gonna play for the Raiders, but they're getting some guys
Speaker 2: back for this game.
Speaker 1: We know a couple of guys who are not coming back,
Speaker 1: though we know Brian Edwards is out correct. You know,
Speaker 1: Henry Ruggs is almost definitely out correct.
Speaker 2: So you're gonna have Josh Jacobs is playing. That's all
Speaker 2: I need to know about, all right. He's going to
Speaker 2: destroy the Bills. Gave up so many rushing yards in
Speaker 2: the second half of that game against the Rams. They
Speaker 2: can't tackle. That defense got lit up by the Dolphins
Speaker 2: and it got lit up by the Rams. The Raiders
Speaker 2: are going to run the ball and Diacops is the
Speaker 2: best back of the three teams that they got. Going
Speaker 2: Jacob's prop over everything. Josh Jacobs leads to this team
Speaker 2: to a victory. They're gonna win this game outright at
Speaker 2: home and beat the Buffalo Bills take the two and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I heard you talk about it
Speaker 1: with Dave Sharpan on The Daily Juice where you made
Speaker 1: your pick, and again, I don't just say it because
Speaker 1: it's part of our network of podcasts. The Daily Jews
Speaker 1: is a great podcast every morning fifteen minutes. I really
Speaker 1: enjoy it. So, Matt, you already made that pick, so
Speaker 1: I knew this was coming, that I was ready for it,
Speaker 1: and so I looked into it and I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, is this something I feel comfortable with? First
Speaker 1: of all, you have it at three though, right.
Speaker 2: That's it, That's what I bet it at. Yes, but
Speaker 2: I think they win the game outright, So any points
Speaker 2: in general, I like, why?
Speaker 1: What? What is? So?
Speaker 2: I mean, how are are bad teams? And they should
Speaker 2: have lost to the Ramska?
Speaker 1: Okay, how are the Raiders gonna be able to stop
Speaker 1: the Bills offense?
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a high scoring game, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: think of an enough yes that they will stop the money.
Speaker 1: A high scoring game. How I don't understand is Josh
Speaker 1: Jacob's gonna run for four hundred yards because they're gonna
Speaker 1: probably put for Davius White on Darren Waller, and right,
Speaker 1: there are no other wide receivers out there. You're legitimately
Speaker 1: just gonna have to live, are you? Are you going
Speaker 1: to mention Za Jones or Nelson.
Speaker 2: Looks good in a Raider uniform? Looked good. Derek Carr
Speaker 2: has been accurate and I'm telling you this. Mcdermot's not Belichick,
Speaker 2: all right, And Waller will be force fed. I thought
Speaker 2: the Raiders really were afraid to give the ball to
Speaker 2: Waller for whatever reason they I think they got out
Speaker 2: belichicked in their brain. They should have force fed Waller.
Speaker 2: I think they'll force feed him coming up and at home.
Speaker 2: I I like this team in the comfort of their home,
Speaker 2: their own home, and it's kind of in a local story.
Speaker 2: They went cut a national but they had a really
Speaker 2: bad week. Okay, this team needs to win a football
Speaker 2: game to get everybody's What happened the the Waller fundraiser
Speaker 2: on Monday was bad, really bad. Ten players, no matter,
Speaker 2: no social distancing. It was awful. It was really awful.
Speaker 2: This team needs a victory to get everybody off of
Speaker 2: that because if they lose, the questions are going to
Speaker 2: be loud to the grood inside of well. John, you
Speaker 2: got fined one hundred k for not wearing a mask.
Speaker 2: Ten two days later, ten of your players were sitting
Speaker 2: there at an event without wearing masks. Distraction, not focused,
Speaker 2: not taking it seriously. I expect an A plus effort
Speaker 2: out of the Raiders coming up this weekend.
Speaker 1: How many people from either your radio show or from
Speaker 1: your podcast, get like, get on you on Twitter for
Speaker 1: how much you fade the Bills.
Speaker 2: It's got to be like I want to say, it's
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of Bills fans out here from that
Speaker 2: are negative and one percent say you're right. I mean literally,
Speaker 2: I've had people say you need to apologize. I've had
Speaker 2: them say you need to go on an apology tour,
Speaker 2: that you need to bet the Bills every time. Now
Speaker 2: I want you wearing a Bill's jersey by the end
Speaker 2: of the season, all all sorts of I'm gonna maintain
Speaker 2: this and look, I talked to someone from Pro Football
Speaker 2: Focused on my show today who said that Josh Allen's
Speaker 2: numbers when he's pressured are better than Josh Allen's numbers
Speaker 2: in a clean pocket. That tells you that that's a
Speaker 2: regression coming in a big, big way. When you're more accurate,
Speaker 2: when you're getting guys in your face, that's luck. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're getting lucky that you're completing these passes and having
Speaker 2: big numbers. A regression for the Bills offense is coming
Speaker 2: this weekend.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends still in Buffalo, I
Speaker 1: have some family in Buffalo. I went to school there,
Speaker 1: So I apologize on behalf of Matt par just at
Speaker 1: him Sports Talk Matt, not me.
Speaker 2: But did you see that stupid thing going around Twitter
Speaker 2: about like why people is an apology letter to Josh,
Speaker 2: you clowns. Just cut it out, Just get out of here.
Speaker 2: The guy can't hit a broad set of a barn still, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's an athlete, good athlete, that's what he.
Speaker 1: Is to everyone in Buffalo. I love duff Swings, man,
Speaker 1: I would I would go get some Duffs right now.
Speaker 1: Give me some duff right over there.
Speaker 2: Okay, which funny I have? I have a chicken wing
Speaker 2: a day, like I love buffaloings. Yes, they're my favorite food,
Speaker 2: So I should like the bills, but I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. Oh my god, this is actually terrible. I
Speaker 1: have to just make sure that I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say it wrong because I think it was yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: good dust Wings. I was like, wait, there's Duffs. It's plural, right,
Speaker 1: it's not staying there. I haven't been there in like
Speaker 1: fifteen years, unfortunately, but Dusts wings. By the way, if
Speaker 1: you go there, anchor bar. I know they say they
Speaker 1: invented wings. Duff's is the best. But oh okay, I
Speaker 1: love it. When the Jets beat writers go up there
Speaker 1: and they're all like, no, nah, we're going to DAF
Speaker 1: So I'm like, that's right, that's what you do. But
Speaker 1: we are not taking the raiders. I'm not. Look I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see it. I don't see it
Speaker 1: with no receivers. That's my big worry I get. I
Speaker 1: do think Jacob's gonna run all over them. I think
Speaker 1: they'll go to Waller, but I think that they are
Speaker 1: gonna do. The Patriots gonna stick my best corner on
Speaker 1: Darren Waller, and I think, you know, White is good.
Speaker 1: He's not Gilmore good, but he's really really good. And
Speaker 1: I think that he's gonna be able to kind of
Speaker 1: shum down. And I think the Patriots showed a little bit.
Speaker 2: What you do.
Speaker 1: You just kind of get all of car checkdown options.
Speaker 1: You're like, nah, man, we are not giving you this outlet.
Speaker 1: Feel free to go deep to Nelson Agalore, orse A
Speaker 1: Jones or something like that. But we're just blanketing your
Speaker 1: checkdown options. So for me, under a field goal can't
Speaker 1: do it because that means I have to feel like
Speaker 1: they're gonna win outright, and I just don't. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna put that one off. I'm exercising my right to
Speaker 1: put that one off as you will with multiple picks.
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Okay, So a game I like, I'll start
Speaker 1: with this one. Saints slaying three and a half to
Speaker 1: the Lions. So there are a couple of minarrasis here.
Speaker 1: Number one, Detroit's getting healthier. Kenny Galladay played last week,
Speaker 1: The defense is getting a little healthier. Saints are dealing
Speaker 1: with a ton of injuries. Jared Cook, My guess is
Speaker 1: he's probably not gonna play. I'm a little worried about
Speaker 1: Marshawn Latimore. Apparently he's got a little bit of a hamstring.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't play, that might change the way I
Speaker 1: feel about it, because I really do view this as
Speaker 1: Latimore is just gonna take away Galladay, just the whole game.
Speaker 1: And I think Michael Thomas is gonna play here. He's
Speaker 1: practiced the last two days. Sounds like he's trending up.
Speaker 1: They need to bounce back here. You don't go wrong
Speaker 1: really fading Matt. I feel like, and the Saints didn't
Speaker 1: look good against the Packers, but I don't think the
Speaker 1: Lions are really going to be able to run on
Speaker 1: them with ap. I think Latimore is going to be
Speaker 1: able to take away Golladi. So you're looking at them
Speaker 1: moving the ball with Hockinson and Marvin Jones, and I'm
Speaker 1: just not that worried about it. And again, you look
Speaker 1: at this game against the Packers, where you know eventually
Speaker 1: the Saints got beat Taysom Hill doesn't fumble that ball
Speaker 1: and they can easily win that game. They're still putting
Speaker 1: up twenty nine points per game as bad as Drew
Speaker 1: Brees looks. Twenty nine points per game, they're fourth in
Speaker 1: offensive DVOA and that's without Michael Thomas. Pretty much. There's
Speaker 1: no pass rush for the Lions. I think this is
Speaker 1: a bounce back game for the Saints. There's no fans,
Speaker 1: so I don't care really about the home build advantage.
Speaker 1: So for me, I like the Saints lank three and
Speaker 1: a half to the Lions.
Speaker 2: See this is the week of home dogs. That really
Speaker 2: concerns me. And I'm concerned about laying points on the road.
Speaker 2: And you've been fitting the Lions. You faded my Lions
Speaker 2: pick last week, and you exit and they want and
Speaker 2: won the game outright. On the part on the Cardinals,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no, to this, and I don't like
Speaker 2: the Saints this year at all, and there might They
Speaker 2: were my pick preseason to win the Super Bowl Drew Brees.
Speaker 2: Unless they're gonna come up with the package that is
Speaker 2: half Hill and half Breeze, it's really difficult to like
Speaker 2: the Saints offense. And that's with Alvin Kamara, who's just
Speaker 2: an absolute destroyer of defenses. I'm concerned about the Saints
Speaker 2: in a big way. And look, they've invested in that defense.
Speaker 2: I mean, Stafford played really well. Galladay was a beast.
Speaker 2: I get it. You take him away and then what
Speaker 2: else have you got there? But that's a scary number
Speaker 2: for me. I really I gotta I'm very concerned about
Speaker 2: laying points on the road right now, especially for a
Speaker 2: team like the Saints. So I gotta say no to
Speaker 2: the Saints.
Speaker 1: That's totally fine. And again, this is part of what
Speaker 1: we do. We go back and forth. Each one of
Speaker 1: us has the full power to be like, absolutely, I
Speaker 1: cannot do that, and that's totally fine for me. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna I think they're gonna run. I think
Speaker 1: they're just gonna destroy the lines in this game. But
Speaker 1: that's that's completely fine and again, I'm not really fading
Speaker 1: the road team because of the act of home build
Speaker 1: advantage in this point. If Thomas comes back, I feel fine,
Speaker 1: get to your next pick, then let's see if we
Speaker 1: can agree.
Speaker 2: Okay, so my next pick that I like a lot,
Speaker 2: and this a lot of these plays are based upon numbers.
Speaker 2: Here right yep, Eagles plus seven and a half really
Speaker 2: over over a touchdown. You look at this line. This
Speaker 2: line should be three. This line shouldn't be seven and
Speaker 2: a half. This is way too many points here. The
Speaker 2: Eagles are everyone's fading them. They're O two and one.
Speaker 2: You know they're playing so poorly. There are so many
Speaker 2: injuries on the forty nine ers. We don't know who's
Speaker 2: playing for them. And look, I know the Giants just
Speaker 2: got destroyed by them running the football. But think about this.
Speaker 2: If you're Doug Peterson, you lose this game, you're O
Speaker 2: three and one right now, you might be on the
Speaker 2: hot seat. He might be on the hot seat. Now.
Speaker 2: I don't think Carson Wentz is this bad. I think
Speaker 2: this is a team that's got Look, they're gonna lose
Speaker 2: this game, I think, but not by more than seven points.
Speaker 2: I love the seven and a half the hook here
Speaker 2: matters to me. Taking the Eagles plus seven and a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree that the hook. It's on my list,
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm I'm gonna put this one as probable
Speaker 1: of putting it on this I liked it as well.
Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous Carson Wentz is playing, I mean,
Speaker 1: as poorly as I can remember a quarterback playing. He's
Speaker 1: not this bad. But again, a little bit that worries
Speaker 1: me is they're really down wide receivers right now. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if Deshaun Jackson's gonna play. We know
Speaker 1: Jalen Rakers out, we know Nels Goddard is out. It
Speaker 1: makes me a little worried. But you talk about the
Speaker 1: Giants game. Man, we were texting during the first half
Speaker 1: of that game. Daniel Jones doesn't turn the ball over
Speaker 1: like right by the half. That's not It wasn't like
Speaker 1: they blew them out of the water right out of
Speaker 1: the gate like the forty nine ers right now are
Speaker 1: not that good. Garoppolo is not going to play Kittle,
Speaker 1: I guess is gonna play. It sounds like that, which
Speaker 1: does make me a little worried. And I think it
Speaker 1: sounds like McKinnon is also healthy, so the at least
Speaker 1: have the two backs. Most of it's not gonna play.
Speaker 1: But I agree with you here. I mean, they're just
Speaker 1: given all the injuries on defense, given everything that's starting,
Speaker 1: the desperation that's going to set in for the Eagles,
Speaker 1: which you wouldn't know necessarily because of the fact that
Speaker 1: they play for the tie against Cincinnati, which was just
Speaker 1: absolutely ludicrous. I'm okay with it. So let's put that
Speaker 1: one in a pencil. But I think that's one that
Speaker 1: we're gonna go with and shocked, shocked that that's what
Speaker 1: you went with. Okay, how about and this one again?
Speaker 1: This is sort of I guess similar to the Saints.
Speaker 1: But what do you think about the Cardinals laying three
Speaker 1: and a half at the Panthers. To me, I think
Speaker 1: this last game was a bit of a wake up
Speaker 1: call for the Cardinals. You've heard Larry Fitzgerald talk about
Speaker 1: it was like, what you know, You've got sort of
Speaker 1: these suddenly Super Bowl aspirations and then this game comes
Speaker 1: along and just knocks you on your butt. The caveat
Speaker 1: is for me. DeAndre Hopkins has missed the last two
Speaker 1: days of practice with an ankle injury. It may be nothing.
Speaker 1: It may just be routine maintenance. If he's out, forget it.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything about this, but they should be
Speaker 1: able to run all day. I think there's a big
Speaker 1: Kenyon Drake game for them and Kyler Murray running the ball.
Speaker 1: I don't love the Panthers. They're coming off that win,
Speaker 1: like good for them, but I think it's a letdown
Speaker 1: spot for them. I think the Cardinals are angry. I
Speaker 1: think they're way better than we saw against the Lions.
Speaker 1: So well, now this kind of goes with the Saints
Speaker 1: laying three and a half on the road, but Cardinals
Speaker 1: at the Panthers three and a half?
Speaker 2: What do you think put it in pen Ooh.
Speaker 1: All right, okay Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Look here's the thing with the Panthers and I got
Speaker 2: into a little bit of an argument. I mentioned I
Speaker 2: was talking to someone from Pro Football Focus. They were
Speaker 2: trying to make the case that the Panthers are a
Speaker 2: better offense without McCaffrey, and I just was like, what
Speaker 2: do you mean in The person was like it was
Speaker 2: Eric Eager, and he was like, look, he's like, you
Speaker 2: can make a case for this offense being more prolific
Speaker 2: because they share the football when they don't have McCaffrey
Speaker 2: on the field, and so they go to the wide receivers,
Speaker 2: they'll go to different running backs. It's not just all McCaffrey. McCaffrey.
Speaker 2: I think that that's kind of nuts personally. I think
Speaker 2: he's one of the top five best players in the game,
Speaker 2: and you feed that guy as much as possible because
Speaker 2: him versus a linebacker, and he's like, well, they throw
Speaker 2: the ball over ten yards when they've got McCaffrey on
Speaker 2: the sidelines with him, he starts five yards behind the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, which I guess in theory makes sense.
Speaker 2: But it's still Christian McCaffrey. So this Panthers team, I know,
Speaker 2: I got called, but I think we had the charges
Speaker 2: last week, right, we did. Yes, I had it.
Speaker 1: I didn't love it. I didn't love it. That was
Speaker 1: the one that we we sort of let and you
Speaker 1: felt pretty good about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I had it on both I had it
Speaker 2: on the DraftKings in, I had it on on the
Speaker 2: Circle Million Picks. So I got I went oh and
Speaker 2: two on that. I'm gonna I'm okay going back and
Speaker 2: fading the Panthers again. I don't I think they're garbage.
Speaker 2: And I think there was just some points left on
Speaker 2: the field there by a rookie. I think there were
Speaker 2: some mistakes there that shouldn't have happened. I mean, the
Speaker 2: defense basically bent and didn't break. They stopped him inside
Speaker 2: the red zone a bunch of times held in the
Speaker 2: field goals. So maybe it was a little bit of
Speaker 2: a better performance than I thought offensively. But the Cardinals,
Speaker 2: I'm with you, coming off of a loss. It's only
Speaker 2: three and a half. And Hopkins, I think he's gonna play.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a guy who's notorious for, you know,
Speaker 2: not practicing during the.
Speaker 1: Ab doesn't play, I will revisit it and we you
Speaker 1: know again, I always said on Saturday night, I always
Speaker 1: tweeted out what our final picks are because that's when
Speaker 1: I put them in. I don't put them in. We
Speaker 1: can put them in on Sunday morning. I put them
Speaker 1: in on Saturday night. So follow us on Twitter, Dan
Speaker 1: Harris at Sports Talk mat just in case we change it.
Speaker 1: But assuming he plays, which right now I'm assuming he does,
Speaker 1: I'm totally on board with it. So this is good.
Speaker 1: It's an in penn subject to Hopkins, go to your
Speaker 1: next one.
Speaker 2: Good second one. Why are the Cowboys favored by four
Speaker 2: and a half points? Mmm?
Speaker 1: This is a good question.
Speaker 2: This is kind of nuts to me. I mean, the
Speaker 2: Cowboys are not good right now. They've got big problems.
Speaker 2: They have internal issues with whether or not the owner
Speaker 2: is saying things about Dak Prescott publicly saying he's not
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, and well who is? But so so Jerry
Speaker 2: Jones's comments were interesting. I think there's big issues, and
Speaker 2: I think the Browns are coming along here and they're
Speaker 2: starting to grow on me. And I think Stefanski's offense
Speaker 2: is starting to take hold a little bit. That defense
Speaker 2: playing a little bit better than maybe we thought they
Speaker 2: were going to be. And it's four and a half,
Speaker 2: so again, this is the numbers play for me. But
Speaker 2: I think the Cowboys win the game, but they might win.
Speaker 2: I think they went by a field goal. I'll take
Speaker 2: the four and a half points here with the Browns.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you. I want to know though, whether
Speaker 1: or not if Kareem Hunt misses this game because he's
Speaker 1: mispracticed several days in a row now with a groin injury,
Speaker 1: and today Odell Beckham Junior popped up on the injury
Speaker 1: report with a back injury that he's apparently playing through.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, because this is a big
Speaker 1: game for Beckham coming. I think he's fully healthy, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, the corners can't stop him. I I I
Speaker 1: it was on my list, So I'm good with it
Speaker 1: right now. That that does make me a little worried
Speaker 1: about it. I'm not sure, you know, I don't think
Speaker 1: Den's Award is going to come back and play yet,
Speaker 1: which I don't really think matters. I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be shooting. But I what I really get at is
Speaker 1: after that first game against the Ravens, we were like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: same old Browns. But they I mean, yes, they let
Speaker 1: Cincinnati backdoor cover, but they they completely dominated that game, yep,
Speaker 1: and against the Washington football team, so they're they're a
Speaker 1: better team than they're being given credit for. And if
Speaker 1: you're if you're saying, why don't we fade the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I'm totally about that. Like every single week, I'm fining
Speaker 1: to do that because I was. I've been about them
Speaker 1: and I've been like, oh, I think they're gonna do it,
Speaker 1: but no, Yeah, I'm good with that. Let's put that
Speaker 1: one in in like a raceable pay and just in
Speaker 1: case we've got something there. But I'm pretty good with that.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good with that. I have a couple of
Speaker 1: other games and I like, let me go, and I
Speaker 1: have a feeling you're not gonna like this one, although
Speaker 1: you probably just hate both these teams. You're like, this
Speaker 1: is just to stay away to me. But there's another
Speaker 1: road favorite, so I know you're not loving it. The
Speaker 1: Colts laying two and a half to Chicago. The Bears
Speaker 1: are the most fraudulent three to zero team in like
Speaker 1: the history of the National Football League. They've barely squeaked
Speaker 1: by the Lions, the Giants, and the Falcons. I think
Speaker 1: the Colts defense is legitimate. I mean, forget about what
Speaker 1: they did to the Jets. You and I could do
Speaker 1: that to the Jets. They destroyed Minnesota, which I think
Speaker 1: you know you saw last week Minnesota against Tennessee. They
Speaker 1: can score, they can put up points. I think what
Speaker 1: they did there is a lot on their defense as
Speaker 1: opposed to you know, the Vikings offense. They didn't play
Speaker 1: well against Jacksonville. They let them get back into the game.
Speaker 1: It's fine, you can do that. They've got a lot
Speaker 1: of injuries on offense. They're without Paris Campbell, they're without
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman Jr. But the offensive line is elite. I
Speaker 1: think they've kind of got this figured out right now
Speaker 1: where they're going to go to a lot of two
Speaker 1: tight ends scents so they can get in Moley Cox
Speaker 1: and Jack Doyle. And I think they've got enough on
Speaker 1: offense if you're laying less than the field. Though, Like,
Speaker 1: I think the Colts are gonna win this game. I
Speaker 1: think Chicago stinks for I mean that that's oversetting it.
Speaker 1: So for me, I like the Colts even in Chicago
Speaker 1: laying two and a half.
Speaker 2: Are you afraid about teams preparing for for Foals and
Speaker 2: the and the You know the reason why that fellow
Speaker 2: that thing fell apart is because they prepped for Trubetsky.
Speaker 1: Sorry, we're talking about Atlanta blowing a massive fourth quarter league.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah? I know, But I just wonder. I mean,
Speaker 2: because I thought about this game. I mean I looked
Speaker 2: at it and I went, Okay, what do I think
Speaker 2: is the most likely thing to happen? Yeah, the Colts
Speaker 2: probably winning, and if they win, they probably win by
Speaker 2: and cover this. But man, I'm concerned about.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, it's not like the prepared. They're
Speaker 1: not preparing. They haven't been preparing for this game for weeks.
Speaker 1: This is in the first game of the season where
Speaker 1: they've been like, oh, we're getting ready for Drubisky. They've
Speaker 1: been preparing for it. They've known Foles was gonna be
Speaker 1: the quarterback.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I do not like betting against Nick Foles. I really don't,
Speaker 1: because he is able to do that. He didn't really
Speaker 1: play all that well against the Falcons. He really didn't.
Speaker 1: He made a lot of, you know, questionable throws. Both
Speaker 1: the guys in our Fantasy Football podcast, Mike tag Leaire
Speaker 1: and Kylli Yeates are Bears fans. Like they were lamenting
Speaker 1: the fact almost that they won, and everybody was lauding
Speaker 1: Nick Foles because as much as he brought them back,
Speaker 1: he did even play well. But I'm okay, we've got
Speaker 1: question marks about that one. You don't feel that good
Speaker 1: about it, That's okay.
Speaker 2: I just don't know who the Colts are yet. That's
Speaker 2: my thing. Like what Jonathan Taylor should have had a
Speaker 2: monster game last weekend.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Tag said the exact same thing on
Speaker 1: the Fantasy podcast. They had that game one from a
Speaker 1: minute in and they knew it. They didn't need to
Speaker 1: do anything. So Johnathan Taylor, I know we're all disappointed
Speaker 1: at his production, even though he found the end zone.
Speaker 1: Tags mentioned it on our Fansy Pros Football podcast that
Speaker 1: he was like, he didn't just I don't know. He
Speaker 1: didn't look like he had good vision. He wasn't making anyone.
Speaker 2: He was running into the line into lineman. Yes, he
Speaker 2: was running street in the he was. He wasn't bouncing.
Speaker 2: He was like, the hole wasn't there, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I don't care, I'm going through the eight.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: It was it.
Speaker 1: Was disinterest, that's what it was. It was this game
Speaker 1: is over. Let's just run the clock out. It doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter. That's what I think about it. Anyway. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not willing to be worried whatsoever about Taylor
Speaker 1: because a lot of people were asking about that from
Speaker 1: a fantasy perspective. I'm not worried about it all now.
Speaker 1: I just think it was give me whatever, this game's over.
Speaker 1: So this is interesting, But that's fine. It's okay because
Speaker 1: we do have three games already that we are both
Speaker 1: willing to go with So you have questions about that,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Do you have another one? Then, who's your
Speaker 1: next one?
Speaker 2: Well? I only have one left because we agree on
Speaker 2: the we agree on the Browns, and we agree on
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. Correct, I only have one left. And you might,
Speaker 2: you might actually kind of go, what the at this?
Speaker 2: Pick a ready Houston Texans at home lay in three
Speaker 2: and a half.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's all right, So it's not on my list,
Speaker 1: but talk me through it. It's not it's not on
Speaker 1: the it's not on the other side, So talk me
Speaker 1: through it.
Speaker 2: Okay. So the Vikings I think are not a good
Speaker 2: football team right now. And I think when you have
Speaker 2: an zero to three football team who have played the
Speaker 2: I mean, arguably the hardest beginning of any season that
Speaker 2: I can remember. I'm forty three. I can't remember a
Speaker 2: harder start to a year than to go up against
Speaker 2: the Ravens Chiefs and on the road at Pittsburgh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That that is just absolutely ridiculous. So I think Watson
Speaker 2: and company have a big day. I think this defensive
Speaker 2: secondary for the Vikings is young, inexperience and clueless. There's
Speaker 2: going to be about thirteen thousand fans in the building,
Speaker 2: so it's going to have a little bit of a
Speaker 2: home field advantage. I think their back to are against
Speaker 2: the wall, and they know that you're paying Watson all
Speaker 2: this money you gave up on Hopkins, you traded him away.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of pressure on O'Brien in company to
Speaker 2: deliver here and turn the ship around. I think it
Speaker 2: starts here with this Vikings team that's really bad and
Speaker 2: I think they've got their COVID questions going around. They
Speaker 2: missed practice, miss two days of practice in preparation for Watson.
Speaker 2: I think this is where the finally a win for
Speaker 2: the Texans by seven.
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I lean
Speaker 1: towards the Texans so we can put it in pencil.
Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about a few things. Number One,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of injuries popping up on the
Speaker 1: practice board this week. Will Fuller, who is always actually
Speaker 1: injured on the on the injury board, I think with
Speaker 1: a hamstring, so we'll have to monitor a status because
Speaker 1: he does really change that oftense a bit. Number Two,
Speaker 1: I'm a little worried that the Vikings found something here
Speaker 1: with Justin Jefferson and realizing what they needed to do
Speaker 1: to score points offensively, so I'm a little worried that
Speaker 1: they might be able to keep it close. They're also desperate,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in a different way, but they
Speaker 1: are desperate. So I'll put that one in pencil, and
Speaker 1: I want to talk about a couple other games here
Speaker 1: that we can think about. So we've got these, We've
Speaker 1: got these these too. I'm going to put the Colts
Speaker 1: on on. It wasn't an outright absolutely not. We're not
Speaker 1: going to do it right. Neither are the Texans. So
Speaker 1: we've got the Saints definitely not, and the Raiders definitely not.
Speaker 1: Let's go let me ask you this because I know
Speaker 1: that the number here annoys you. Where it is on DraftKings,
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it's dipping on circuits on circa.
Speaker 1: But what about the Pats. They're getting six and a
Speaker 1: half in casey, what are they in the circa for
Speaker 1: the same Okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the thing on this game. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: bet this game, all right. I'm also gonna tease this game,
Speaker 2: taking the Patriots at eight when it gets there. Now,
Speaker 2: it's gonna get there. It's not there yet, but the
Speaker 2: Patriots plus eight because I think the books are gonna
Speaker 2: go there for teasers, they're gonna go to eight. So
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get eight at some point in
Speaker 2: the next twenty four to forty eight hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard you talking about that too.
Speaker 2: I'll I'll take the Pats at eight and I am
Speaker 2: going to at seven. In a contest, I would take
Speaker 2: the Patriots at six and a half. I would take
Speaker 2: the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair. And the consensus line right now again,
Speaker 1: I'm on betting pros. I coming to get consensus lines.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a couple of the breakdowns by the
Speaker 1: way of how the consensus experts are doing the picks.
Speaker 1: Fifty five percent still on the Pats even at six
Speaker 1: and a half. If I have to choose one, I'll
Speaker 1: still go to the Pats. I think this sets up
Speaker 1: really well for them that the you know, brilliant game
Speaker 1: by everybody on the Chiefs, they don't stop the run
Speaker 1: as well. I think you're gonna get a lot in
Speaker 1: Newton as they try to control the clock. They do
Speaker 1: what the Ravens basically look like they were going to
Speaker 1: try to do from the get go, and then they
Speaker 1: just turned into a passing machine, which when they fell behind.
Speaker 2: You can't go down. I mean, the Pats and the
Speaker 2: Ravens are gonna run the same offense, and if they
Speaker 2: go down by fourteen, it's all she wrote, it's game over.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's fair. So I do lean that
Speaker 1: way at six and a half. But it is something
Speaker 1: where you know, I know that the hook really is
Speaker 1: what it is, and I think if you're getting there
Speaker 1: and you can get that in Vegas, well you should.
Speaker 1: I'm go ahead.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm mad. I mean, I'm about this line.
Speaker 2: I think this is a mistake by both contests.
Speaker 1: And I understand six and a half by the way
Speaker 1: you said, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: In both its six and a half, and I think
Speaker 2: it's wrong because this number is going to be off
Speaker 2: by a point and a half. Yeah, And so that
Speaker 2: ticks me off because normally they predict where the number
Speaker 2: is gonna go. You're telling me that people are going
Speaker 2: to the window to bet the Patriots. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, after what they just did in primetime on
Speaker 2: Monday night football, that's not I mean, normally the Patriots
Speaker 2: Chiefs game would be on you know, prime time, blow
Speaker 2: it up, Mark Key game, Brady versus you know, versus
Speaker 2: the young stud and Patrick Mahomes defending champs against the
Speaker 2: team that they beat against. You know, I believe Mahomes's
Speaker 2: own three still against the Patriots or one and four
Speaker 2: against Brady, so you would have had that whole storyline
Speaker 2: going on, it's can Mahomes finally beat Brady? Well, that
Speaker 2: was last week for them against the Ravens, so a
Speaker 2: letdown game for the Patriots fits in perfectly for Belichick.
Speaker 2: So I still think I think very much like the
Speaker 2: Chargers game where the Church got out to a really
Speaker 2: good start, I don't hate a bet on Patriots in
Speaker 2: the first half here to have a lead at the half,
Speaker 2: and then the second half the Chiefs get to life
Speaker 2: and then they win the game, but maybe not covering
Speaker 2: that six and a half point line. So like, I
Speaker 2: don't hate a playing the Patriots, but from from a
Speaker 2: betting perspective, I think you have to you have to
Speaker 2: get seven or higher to bet it for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: And it is seven out there. Again I mentioned it
Speaker 1: on Betting Bros. We have the consensus lines from the
Speaker 1: various sports books. We do have two seven's showing right now,
Speaker 1: one at bet MGM and one at Fandle they're both
Speaker 1: at plus seven, so that's a different But everybody else
Speaker 1: that I can see is at six and a half.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a tough one under a touchdown. It's
Speaker 1: a li little bit tough for me to do. Let
Speaker 1: me go down. By the way, a couple of just
Speaker 1: the how the you know on betting bros dot com,
Speaker 1: we have a bunch of experts. Matt and I make
Speaker 1: our picks as well making picks, you get this consensus
Speaker 1: of where people are with the lines. Now Philadelphia at
Speaker 1: San Francisco it's minus seven in the consensus line, so
Speaker 1: we're actually getting the better of the line, and still
Speaker 1: sixty six percent of experts are going with Philly in
Speaker 1: that sense. Yeah, I will say that even at Buffalo
Speaker 1: laying three and a half to Las Vegas, seventy seven
Speaker 1: percent of people are on Buffalo. So I just want
Speaker 1: to put that out there for you. Uh, Indianapolis laying
Speaker 1: two and a half to Chicago, which is the consensus line,
Speaker 1: just like ours, that is, sixty percent of experts are
Speaker 1: going with Indianapolis.
Speaker 2: By the way, did you guys ever run the number
Speaker 2: based upon what the what our experts go? Yes, totality
Speaker 2: because I does it matter ifcause on a public side
Speaker 2: of things, if seventy five percent are on one side,
Speaker 2: I like being in the twenty five percent, right, So like,
Speaker 2: so I'm curious about, like, well, how are our experts
Speaker 2: doing if the seventy five percent matter? Like, does it
Speaker 2: matter they run seventy five percent on one?
Speaker 1: No? No, it's a good point. It's a good point
Speaker 1: what I can also do and what I should I'll
Speaker 1: do next time because I don't want to. I don't
Speaker 1: want to lay ust too much as I have all
Speaker 1: the moving parts. But you can look at the people
Speaker 1: who are the most accurate, who are doing better in units,
Speaker 1: and you can see just how they are picking any.
Speaker 2: Snow, that's yeah, let's talk about those guys.
Speaker 1: We're going to do those guys next week. Don't worry
Speaker 1: about hopefully it will be me, me and you.
Speaker 2: No. No, okay, I play straight because I'm doing strategy
Speaker 2: in that. So I'm doing the like I never played
Speaker 2: three unit games, but I'll do three unit games on that.
Speaker 1: Fair, No, I do. I do much more of my
Speaker 1: level of confidence that I definitely do change it and
Speaker 1: I go higher on that. Okay, So just a couple
Speaker 1: other ones because I want to just for the games
Speaker 1: that we're going, Uh, the vikings at Houston, Houston lane
Speaker 1: three and a half, sixty five percent with Houston, so
Speaker 1: that that's something good. New Orleans giving four. We are
Speaker 1: at three and a half, giving four to Detroit sixty
Speaker 1: eight percent on New Orleans, Dallas sixty six percent laying
Speaker 1: four and a half. That's not going to be me
Speaker 1: and you though, seeat We'll get to that game in
Speaker 1: a minute. Hold on, I want to talk about that one.
Speaker 1: Are on Arizona?
Speaker 2: Oh good, are on Arizona?
Speaker 1: So that sense and we've got that, and just so
Speaker 1: you know, fifty seven percent around the Jets, so we'll
Speaker 1: hope that goes well. But anyway, let's move on here then,
Speaker 1: and fifty five percent around New England. I may mention
Speaker 1: that at six and a half, talk to me about
Speaker 1: Seattle lank six and a half to Miami. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: not a game.
Speaker 2: I really want a hard game because it is right.
Speaker 1: The sharp side. Do you agree that the sharp side
Speaker 1: for me like the side that makes the most sense,
Speaker 1: putting aside the Oh my god, it's Russell Wilson and
Speaker 1: why are you ever going to bet against Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: To me, is Miami at home getting six and a half,
Speaker 1: that that's the better side.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, this is the week of home dogs,
Speaker 2: and historically speaking, in the NFL, home team's catching points,
Speaker 2: you want to be on that side, in particular over
Speaker 2: a field goal. Teams at home getting more than a
Speaker 2: field goal, you want to be on that side. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, granted, it's gonna be greasy and grimey in
Speaker 2: a back door might be needed to cut it, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I think this is either a dog or
Speaker 2: a no play for me because you can easily see
Speaker 2: a letdown after the Cowboys and all this praise, all
Speaker 2: this love. They're going literally to the too farthest. Seattle
Speaker 2: to Miami is the farthest distance between cities you can
Speaker 2: play in the NFL, so it's a huge road trip.
Speaker 2: You're going into the heart of COVID nineteen country in
Speaker 2: Miami and Miami Dade County. So you got that whole
Speaker 2: concern going off for Seattle. I mean, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: if I don't like this, but if I was gonna
Speaker 2: take it, if I had to, I would take the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Yes, if you if you came in on this. You
Speaker 1: were like, Dan, you know what I like? I like them.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would take it. I know it's gross,
Speaker 1: it's too big of a risk. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be there on Sunday going against Russels.
Speaker 2: I choose not right now that noneuthless DK Metco gets hurt,
Speaker 2: right If DK Metco gets hurt, then it changes everything.
Speaker 2: But he is a matchup nightmare for every defense. And
Speaker 2: Wilson's got this crazy ability of throwing the football up
Speaker 2: and it stays up there for like an eternity, and
Speaker 2: Metcalf just runs underneath it and he plays basketball. He
Speaker 2: boxes out the DBS. Awesome, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: I mean it's just as long as he can hold
Speaker 1: onto the ball before he crosses the goal line, that's
Speaker 1: he's unstoppable.
Speaker 2: And he's unguardable. Even with double teams, he's unguardable. So
Speaker 2: it's so difficult to look at Seattle and like their
Speaker 2: defense gets to play better because they're always playing with
Speaker 2: the lead, so they get in their ears back and
Speaker 2: just go after the quarterback. And like, I mean, they're beatable.
Speaker 2: But right now, I mean this whole like charge to
Speaker 2: get Wilson MVP. I think the team really wants to
Speaker 2: do it. I think this is like the calling card
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty for the for the Seattle Seahawks is
Speaker 2: to get Russell Wilson the MVP because he's not.
Speaker 1: Like he's playing out of control, and he does the
Speaker 1: thing where he drops it in the bucket better than
Speaker 1: anyone I can remember ever doing. Where he's able to
Speaker 1: throw that ball. It's really amazing and it's great. It's
Speaker 1: good to and again you talk about what they're going
Speaker 1: to do in this game, they really have no running game.
Speaker 1: Maybe Chris Carson plays, I doubt it. Even Carlos Hyde
Speaker 1: is on the injury reports really going to be throwing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think Miami is the right side. I
Speaker 1: will probably have it, for example on our site. That's
Speaker 1: the side that I would go with. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: makes me a little worried about it getting into the contest.
Speaker 1: So again, we may have our five and the three
Speaker 1: we kind of like and we don't absolutely hate. But
Speaker 1: let's go through a couple more here. I know this
Speaker 1: goes against the paralism, so it's off the table. But
Speaker 1: if you came in and you wanted hold on second, sorry,
Speaker 1: this is just where my garage door opens.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's what sounds like.
Speaker 1: Can you hear it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Clinton sometimes leaves us in the video. If you're
Speaker 1: watching us on Bettingpros dot com Sash YouTube, Hello, my
Speaker 1: office is on top of my garage and my wife,
Speaker 1: without a doubt, and I do seven podcasts a week
Speaker 1: no matter what time it is. She I guarantee you
Speaker 1: she is leaving to come in and out of this
Speaker 1: garage and you can feel free to here.
Speaker 2: So you probably you'll hear my kid running around right
Speaker 2: by me.
Speaker 1: That's all right, that's all right. My kids are usually
Speaker 1: best saying okay. So if you came and you said, Dan,
Speaker 1: I just got this feeling. Man. I think they're going
Speaker 1: to be so mad at what happened on Monday, and
Speaker 1: I want to take the Ravens laying twelve and a
Speaker 1: half to Washington. I would do it. I think they
Speaker 1: are going to be so angry right now, Dwayne.
Speaker 2: Had I mean, this is a back door waiting to happen.
Speaker 1: Of course it is, of course, which is why you know,
Speaker 1: you know what it really probably is. It's a Dwayne
Speaker 1: Haskins gets benched or you know, hurt, God forbid or
Speaker 1: anything like that, and Kyle Allen comes in and scores
Speaker 1: like two meaningless touchdowns for them to lose by ten
Speaker 1: or something like that. So I get it. I assume it.
Speaker 1: I assumed it was off the table, which is why
Speaker 1: it was way.
Speaker 2: Best to many. I mean, it's a prime teaser game.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, go after's true.
Speaker 2: Go after the teaser here and tease this thing down,
Speaker 2: and I I think that's the way you'll be. But
Speaker 2: twelve and a half is just get it below a touchdown,
Speaker 2: and I agree, But you gotta protect against the back door,
Speaker 2: and that back door is going to be open.
Speaker 1: I think, well, in the consensus lines, it is now
Speaker 1: up to thirteen and a half or fourteen at certain places,
Speaker 1: and everybody's coming in, well.
Speaker 2: You get me fourteen and a half. I think you bet.
Speaker 2: You may wind up betting.
Speaker 1: It's like last year, right with the Patriots, when you
Speaker 1: were doing that at the beginning of the season, where
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, the Lion's just seventeen and I
Speaker 1: don't even hate it. So that's where it is. Okay,
Speaker 1: But that's fine. We can say all that one. And
Speaker 1: I mean, unless you like the underdog, which I assume
Speaker 1: you don't given how much you hate the Giants. The
Speaker 1: Giants getting twelve and a half from.
Speaker 2: The Rams, Oh my gosh, no, I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't want that game at all.
Speaker 2: But here's here's the thing, though, Should the Rams be
Speaker 2: favored that much? But against anybody like the like I
Speaker 2: don't like the number, but that again is a dog
Speaker 2: or no play because yeah, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: the Rams are good, but I mean I guess because
Speaker 2: they're at home. It's it's you know, after the two
Speaker 2: back to back trips of the East Coast, now they're
Speaker 2: at home taking on a horrible team that they have
Speaker 2: chance to put some numbers up on the board. But
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's that's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Points the who's the worst team? Giants or Jets? By
Speaker 1: the way, because I've been getting this question one yeah
Speaker 1: by far right, thank you, So all my friends who
Speaker 1: are listening, you have it now from a and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm biased. There's not even a debate in my mind.
Speaker 1: And that's what Oh exactly, that's what I'm saying. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand why there's a discussion, like
Speaker 1: the Jets are on their own tier of terribleness, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I look for me the Rams. Yeah, I get that
Speaker 1: it seems crazy that it's that big a favorite, but
Speaker 1: it's a game I don't want to touch. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just not something.
Speaker 2: You can't lay in these contests. You can't lay double digits.
Speaker 1: It's just even even out of the contest, though, I
Speaker 1: don't want to touch it at all. Like, I get
Speaker 1: that the spread sort of is like, wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I do think that the Rams offense, you saw what
Speaker 1: they could do very easily. I mean, I know you
Speaker 1: hate Buffalo's defense, but they can put up points in
Speaker 1: an instant and especially if you've got something at home
Speaker 1: or now on the road without noise for McVeigh to
Speaker 1: be in golfzy or as you talk about all the time. Yep,
Speaker 1: let's go to and by the way, sixty three percent
Speaker 1: of experts at twelve and a half are leaning towards
Speaker 1: the Rams. Let's go how about the Jaguars getting three
Speaker 1: and a half from the Bengals. Do you have any
Speaker 1: lean on that.
Speaker 2: These are games I wouldn't bet with your money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you can, because here's the thing with the Jags. Okay,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be They're so tough to predict like I
Speaker 2: thought against Miami, I was. I was on the Jags. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they have talent. I mean they're not horrible, they're not great,
Speaker 2: but they have talent. And so I look at I
Speaker 2: don't know yet about Joe Burrow. I'm coming around. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about betting on him. I'm coming around on the
Speaker 2: idea that Burrow might be a guy that the books
Speaker 2: are undervaluing his ability, his moxy, his toughness, his ability
Speaker 2: to back door cover, which is you know, Joey backdoor
Speaker 2: may be a nickname that we're given it because of
Speaker 2: we're laughing about it, but that might stick. He might
Speaker 2: be a dude that just even when they're losing, he
Speaker 2: could come out. And then the tie last week against
Speaker 2: the Eagles, I think that benefited the Bengals. It gives
Speaker 2: them some confidence going into this game. So I don't
Speaker 2: like it. But if I had to pick a side
Speaker 2: to be on the Bengals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think with the hook I'd go Jaguars. I
Speaker 1: think that the I'm assuming Djhark plays because I really
Speaker 1: think that the loss of DJ Tark last week was
Speaker 1: completely messing them up. Chris Conley dropped to ball. I
Speaker 1: just you know, it was. That doesn't explain why Ryan
Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick almost set a record for you know, completions in
Speaker 1: a row. But I think i'd probably lean at three
Speaker 1: and a half towards the Jaguars. But again, it's a
Speaker 1: complete stay away game. I think there's only two that
Speaker 1: we haven't touched on. One of them is the Chargers
Speaker 1: getting seven and a half from the Bucks.
Speaker 2: See, let me throw it back at you for a second. Yes,
Speaker 2: how good is this Bucks offense? When healthy? Uh?
Speaker 1: When healthy? I think they're pretty good there. I don't
Speaker 1: think they're an elite offense at this point because I
Speaker 1: think that Brady has really taken a step back and
Speaker 1: I think he's feeling.
Speaker 2: The because it's strength on strength here. Okay, this is
Speaker 2: defense for the Chargers offense for the pet for the Bucks,
Speaker 2: I think they I think the Chargers keep this game
Speaker 2: within a touchdown. I think the Bucks win. But if
Speaker 2: I had to pick a side, I don't like it,
Speaker 2: but I think the number matters to hear, I would
Speaker 2: take the Chargers.
Speaker 1: The consensus has gone down to seven for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: so you're getting the hook. In the context. I think
Speaker 1: there are a couple of things. I think Chris Godwin's
Speaker 1: out right. I think that really hurts because I think
Speaker 1: Godwin's huge. I think Scotty Miller maybe out. He's struggling
Speaker 1: right now. I think with a Coroin injury which I
Speaker 1: didn't even realize necessarily so, and I think Leonard Fournette
Speaker 1: is going to be out. They're really hurting on offense.
Speaker 1: But as you aptly predicted before we got into the season,
Speaker 1: the Chargers are completely decimated with injuries. They just put
Speaker 1: Chris Harris Junior on ir They lost Melvin Ingram, we
Speaker 1: know they lost Irwin James, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: bet on a rookie QB and this I just I
Speaker 1: don't love him. I'd rather if you were willing, if
Speaker 1: you felt the same way about it, and we had
Speaker 1: to pick one, I would certainly go with the Colts
Speaker 1: getting given the two and a half to the Bears.
Speaker 1: There's one other game I think that we haven't tached on.
Speaker 1: That's Monday Night, which is the Falcons getting seven and
Speaker 1: a half from the Packers.
Speaker 2: Tease it, tease it, tease it. This is my week,
Speaker 2: this is my teaser. I'm teasing Green Bay down to one. Okay,
Speaker 2: but I don't like this game, but I think I
Speaker 2: think Green Bay wins, but I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Alans are also is almost certainly. I think Fanta Adams
Speaker 1: is coming back.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think Adams back is a bit is
Speaker 2: a bit it makes it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course it's a huge deal.
Speaker 2: But I think they win. I think Green Bay wins,
Speaker 2: but I don't like that number. I think that that's
Speaker 2: heavy here, and because I think the Falcons, I mean again,
Speaker 2: this is another team playing for their lives, and the
Speaker 2: hook matters seven and a half. That hook matters to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I uh, I don't like it either way.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to go near it. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the Packers are. The Packers is good, I
Speaker 1: can't I can't really tell. I mean, Rodgers is playing
Speaker 1: at old Rogers level, but I'm still not convinced one hundred.
Speaker 2: Well, it kind of throws it back in the face
Speaker 2: of a lot of us who expected the regression because
Speaker 2: of the one the one score wins last year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and everyone said, oh, that team that went to the
Speaker 2: NFC Championship game, they're not really that good because look
Speaker 2: how many games they won by one score. And in
Speaker 2: a way, it kind of showed us the other way
Speaker 2: of like, well, they were good enough to win and
Speaker 2: be on the right side of all those one scores. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this Falcons team is really bad.
Speaker 2: And Laculio might come back. If he does, I think
Speaker 2: it's significance. But if he doesn't, you know, that's a
Speaker 2: that's a pretty big loss as well. And this Falcons
Speaker 2: team just keeps on finding new and impressive ways to
Speaker 2: blow games. So it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's really bad. Fifty nine Yeah, in primetime, fifty nine
Speaker 1: percent in Lambeau, fifty nine percent of people are of
Speaker 1: experts are on Green Bay at minus seven right here, Okay,
Speaker 1: So here's what I've got, man, and you tell me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. The Eagles are getting seven and a
Speaker 1: half from the four nine ers. We like that one.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals are laying three and a half to the Panthers,
Speaker 1: we like that one.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: The Browns are getting four and a half from the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We like that one.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: The Texans are laying three and a half to the Vikings.
Speaker 1: You like that one. I'm okay with it and it's
Speaker 1: passable for me, okay. And the Colts are laying two
Speaker 1: and a half to the Bears. You don't like it,
Speaker 1: but you you don't hate it as much as you
Speaker 1: hate every other game.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't. Again, I don't hate it.
Speaker 2: I mean I need rivers to not throw receptions and
Speaker 2: I need rivers to get rid of the football and
Speaker 2: nugets sacked and have pick sixes and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But as long as I can't guarantee any of that, yes,
Speaker 1: as long.
Speaker 2: As it doesn't happen, well, I think the Colts win.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I think I think, Look, I will.
Speaker 1: I am a little worried about. I would feel better
Speaker 1: about it with Trubisky for sure.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm I have a master's degree in favor lady
Speaker 2: fitting that guy. I love fitting that dude. Nick Fole
Speaker 2: scares me, just because I wonder if they're I mean again,
Speaker 2: you're playing with a new quarterback, new options, and I think,
Speaker 2: I mean it's funny Nick Knick's comments after the game
Speaker 2: of like I feel for Mitch and I was there,
Speaker 2: I've been there for Mitch. It's like, yeah, Bud, you
Speaker 2: don't care you're starting. Man, You've got a job again,
Speaker 2: and you know it's your job because Matt that Nanny
Speaker 2: was waiting. He was waiting to make that change. He
Speaker 2: wanted to do that when they signed him, but he
Speaker 2: couldn't do it until. I mean, he in a game
Speaker 2: in which Trebitsky didn't play that badly. He threw one pick,
Speaker 2: and the second time as soon as you threw a pick,
Speaker 2: he was benched. Boomly.
Speaker 1: I think what it was is they clearly wanted Foles
Speaker 1: to be the starter, but you couldn't go to Foles
Speaker 1: and ever go back to Mitch. It was it was done,
Speaker 1: so you had to start Mitch see what you had.
Speaker 1: And then he played terribly in that first game, and
Speaker 1: then miraculously had this awesome fourth quarter and they won
Speaker 1: the game, and you're like, all right, well now we
Speaker 1: kind of here. Which once he went to Foles, I
Speaker 1: was talking with the guys too. They were like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe they go back to my No, no,
Speaker 1: this is done, and then started, okay, so those are
Speaker 1: our five picks unless we change. If you talk to
Speaker 1: you know you get some good inside information like you
Speaker 1: often do, let me know and we can change it
Speaker 1: and we will tweet it out again. Tune into Matt's
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Speaker 1: you know if we change. I'll have some props for you.
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