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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, there's Chuck.

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Speaker 1: This is short stuff getting up. Let's go look out above?

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Speaker 1: Is that what people shout? Look out above? It feels wrong.

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Speaker 1: I think I think they say look out below. But

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Speaker 1: that didn't make any sense, No neither one. It just

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Speaker 1: say how about just look out or heads up? No,

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Speaker 1: not heads up, you'll get a lawn dart in your eye.

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Speaker 1: Just move out of the immediate area quickly, duck and cover.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, I don't know if that would

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Speaker 1: help either, because Chuck, get this. We're talking about lawn darts,

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Speaker 1: and when they get a real wind up under them,

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Speaker 1: they strike with a force of around twenty three thousand

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Speaker 1: pounds per square. That's right. And we are talking about

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Speaker 1: lawn darts. And if you're like, what is a lawn dart?

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Speaker 1: That means you're probably younger than we are because we

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Speaker 1: grew up in this seventies and eighties these with these toys.

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Speaker 1: Uh that was It's basically a giant oversized dart like

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Speaker 1: they're about what are they about a foot long or so? Dish? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and the idea is that it was sort of like cornhole.

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Speaker 1: You would get on opposite sides of each other like

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Speaker 1: horse shoes, and you have these big hula hoops basically

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Speaker 1: you would put on the ground and you would throw

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Speaker 1: the lawn dart up in the air and try and

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Speaker 1: get it to come down and stick inside of that hoop. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you get some points for that. You just let

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Speaker 1: it arc gracefully back down into that hoop and that

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Speaker 1: was it, And there was a lot of fun. The

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Speaker 1: problem is it was a lot of danger as well

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Speaker 1: because these things, again a lot of them had like

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Speaker 1: a blunt end, but not all of them did. Some

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Speaker 1: were sharp, especially the first ones. Um, they would come

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Speaker 1: back down to earth with a lot of force behind them,

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Speaker 1: and if they happened to come back down to earth

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Speaker 1: via your boy, they could really mess you up, really well,

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Speaker 1: especially if you were a little kid whose skull hasn't

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Speaker 1: fused fully yet because you're not twenty years old. And um,

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Speaker 1: some kids suffered tremendously at the at the hands of

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Speaker 1: the lawn dart industry. That's right. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the government comes into play here. Before we were born

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Speaker 1: and the manufacturer said, nah, they're not so dangerous. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's send our lobby in the toy lobby and get

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Speaker 1: them brought back to the market, because we got to

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Speaker 1: get these lawn darts out there. Nothing was more important,

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Speaker 1: right right then getting the lawn darts back to market,

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Speaker 1: getting the people their lawn darts and chuck. You lived

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Speaker 1: through the seventies. I lived through the seventies, although I

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Speaker 1: wasn't fully aware except towards the end there. But do

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Speaker 1: you know how dangerous something had to be to get

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Speaker 1: skit about dangerous toys exactly. So there was, um, there

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Speaker 1: was a push to get rid of lawn darts, but

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Speaker 1: the lawn dart industry, very surprisingly if you ask me,

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Speaker 1: how about this. We won't um, we won't market to

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Speaker 1: about just how dangerous they are, because we didn't say chuck.

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Speaker 1: Lawn darts are the direct descendant of a weapon of

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Speaker 1: war called the plume bada. Um. I read this Mashable

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Speaker 1: And that's what we got in on the second wave

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Speaker 1: They were bigger than ever, even like lawn darts were

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Speaker 1: see right after this message break. Well, now we're on

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Speaker 1: the road driving in your truck. Want to learn a

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Speaker 1: thing or two from Josh Damn Chuck should know? All right? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so Chuck in that second wave, um that really began

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Speaker 1: how they were sold in a lot of cases. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that they were saying, like, you, customer, have

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Speaker 1: to throw in that we apparently can't move on its own,

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Speaker 1: so we're just was that the deal? That's what I want.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna sweeten the pot on this volleyball net, Like

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Speaker 1: why are they giving away to him? That's what I

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Speaker 1: That's how I took it well, regardless of mental Floss

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Speaker 1: reported that David Snow, this aerospace engineer in California, did

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Speaker 1: the seventies anymore. This is the regularra eighties and um.

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Speaker 1: at the numbers, man, they're just not that dangerous. They're

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Speaker 1: certainly not dangerous enough to enact an outright band again.

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Speaker 1: So that included just throwing regular darts at a dartboard. Uh.

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Speaker 1: a regular dartboard. No, and if you do, if you do,

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Speaker 1: they had real numbers that showed that actually, this thing

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Speaker 1: And again, Chuck, it's really hard not to step back

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Speaker 1: But they had to have those lawn darts out there

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