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Speaker 1: Orleans Saints Podcast starts right now. Here's your host, Aaron Summers.
Speaker 2: Welcome into the New Orleans Saints Podcast. Aaron Summers alongside
Speaker 2: Saints legend Luke McCowan, we have enjoyed being here at
Speaker 2: the Combine all week. There are drills that started yesterday
Speaker 2: afternoon and continue over the weekend. Luke, what do you
Speaker 2: like about the combine drills and getting to see the
Speaker 2: on field workouts.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm a football junkie, and so anytime I can
Speaker 3: watch these guys, I always say this that I love
Speaker 3: watching talented people do their thing. Whether you're a musician
Speaker 3: or a painter, or a basketball player, or a golfer
Speaker 3: or a fisherman, whatever, if you're talented at something, I
Speaker 3: enjoy watching you excel at that. All of these young
Speaker 3: men are extremely talented, talented athletes. I said it the
Speaker 3: first day we were here. I enjoyed listening to them
Speaker 3: in their interviews.
Speaker 4: They're very polished.
Speaker 3: Certainly, I hope that that they've taken the time to
Speaker 3: invest in PR development. I know most of these bigger
Speaker 3: colleges especially have programs that help these young men learn
Speaker 3: how to answer questions, look people in the eye, be
Speaker 3: authentic in what you're saying. But I enjoyed that part
Speaker 3: of it because that's that's part of the process. It's
Speaker 3: part of watching these young men grow up right in
Speaker 3: front of your eyes and grow up really fast.
Speaker 4: I just had.
Speaker 3: A conversation a little while ago this morning with cam
Speaker 3: Ward's family, his dad and his sister. They're they're small
Speaker 3: East Texas from where I, you know, an hour or
Speaker 3: so from where I'm from. And so just and his
Speaker 3: dad said, what do you remember most about this process?
Speaker 4: And I said, I.
Speaker 5: Remember the people.
Speaker 3: I can remember coaches that I had interactions with and
Speaker 3: players that I had interactions with twenty years ago that
Speaker 3: maybe I got to play with or be on the
Speaker 3: same team with, and then lost touch for two or
Speaker 3: three or four years or five years or whatever. And
Speaker 3: then you come back here and it's just a collection
Speaker 3: of people doing their thing, and you run into people
Speaker 3: that you've created memories with twenty years ago.
Speaker 4: Because of the scouting combine. Chris Simms, I played with Chris.
Speaker 3: He and I spent three years together in Tampa Bay
Speaker 3: and so saw him the first day here.
Speaker 4: Hadn't talked to Chris or seen.
Speaker 3: Him in five six years probably, and so just getting
Speaker 3: to sit down and chat with him for a little while,
Speaker 3: and so you remember those things. But I enjoyed that
Speaker 3: part of this from my standpoint. And then just watching
Speaker 3: these guys go out and put it on the line.
Speaker 3: On the field. We got to watch the D line
Speaker 3: and the UH and the defensive ends do their thing yesterday.
Speaker 3: It was highly highly impressive. I'm glad I'm not playing anymore.
Speaker 3: Those guys are way too fast now. But it's a
Speaker 3: lot of fun. I've thoroughly enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that coverage will continue over the weekend as
Speaker 2: other position groups work through the on field workouts, go
Speaker 2: through the drills, and that's available to see on NFL
Speaker 2: Network each afternoon starting at two o'clock Central three o'clock
Speaker 2: Eastern time. And I always like watching the quarterbacks just
Speaker 2: throw the best. I didn't even think about that. Of
Speaker 2: course you're going to take it there though. No, it's
Speaker 2: been it's always a good week and it gives you
Speaker 2: a really good perspective on what's available, who's available, what
Speaker 2: to look forward to once the draft comes here, gonna
Speaker 2: be in Green Bay this year, coming up shortly, and
Speaker 2: the Saints have the ninth overall pick, so top ten
Speaker 2: pick for the Saints from there at eight other picks,
Speaker 2: so it could be extremely active.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 3: And and you know, we had Bucky Brooks on this morning,
Speaker 3: and I you know, he the consensus has been best
Speaker 3: player available when you're sitting at nine, and it's not
Speaker 3: just a a star studded here's you know, fifty Blue Chippers,
Speaker 3: but here's a bunch of really really strong Day one
Speaker 3: starters that you can't go wrong with. Whatever the best
Speaker 3: player on your board is at number nine, you'll be okay,
Speaker 3: we've got it. We've talked about this. We've got a
Speaker 3: number of holes to address.
Speaker 5: You know again that.
Speaker 3: The depending on who you read, the needs are greater
Speaker 3: from one side of the ball to the other. But
Speaker 3: nonetheless we've got things to figure out. Mickey gave ering
Speaker 3: endorsement for Derek Carr and at least trying to work
Speaker 3: that situation out contractually. That's probably the number one thing
Speaker 3: that needs to happen, even prior to the draft, just
Speaker 3: so that you know what the needs are, because that
Speaker 3: affects free agency and the money that you can spend there.
Speaker 3: And so when you target people with money that you
Speaker 3: have in free agency, that affects how you approach the
Speaker 3: draft because of people that you feel like you can
Speaker 3: get in free agency that maybe you won't have as
Speaker 3: high of a grade on in the draft.
Speaker 4: So a lot of moving parts.
Speaker 3: I am a big proponent of best available at number nine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: whether that's running back, defensive end, tight end, or big
Speaker 3: time receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be a fun draft to follow,
Speaker 2: and we'll have you there everything you need. New Orleans
Speaker 2: Saints dot Com the entire way. You mentioned Bucky Brooks,
Speaker 2: he was one of the people we did talk to today.
Speaker 2: He's NFL Draft analyst, works for NFL dot com a lot.
Speaker 2: He's here this week doing some coverage for NFL dot Com.
Speaker 2: They're digital pregame shows. And then we talked to Matt Miller,
Speaker 2: who is the ESPN Draft analyst, and he gave us
Speaker 2: some really good insight into what he expects the Saints
Speaker 2: to do, names to watch, and everything like that. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna kick off these interviews with Bucky and then
Speaker 2: head into Matt Friday. Here at the NFL Combine. Right
Speaker 2: here on Radio Row Aaron Summers alongside Luke McCown and
Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks from NFL Network. You're a popular guy this
Speaker 2: week because you're the one that is ranking all these players.
Speaker 2: Every email that I get, it's like, well, Bucky, I
Speaker 2: see at this place.
Speaker 6: How is it for you?
Speaker 5: Is different? Right?
Speaker 7: Because this has become like a market event. Everyone loves
Speaker 7: the draft. Everyone loves kind of turning to Calvin the
Speaker 7: Ford to think about which player is gonna be the
Speaker 7: stars of tomorrow. So it's fun kind of speculating and projecting.
Speaker 7: It's fun catching up with like some of your old
Speaker 7: friends from the business and then deal with all the
Speaker 7: agents and all the agents like, hey, do my guys
Speaker 7: solid And I'm like.
Speaker 5: I don't really know your guys. So there's a lot
Speaker 5: of that, but it's all over.
Speaker 7: It's a fun time because this is the only time
Speaker 7: that all the football people are in one location. So
Speaker 7: it's part big event in terms of the Combine, but
Speaker 7: it's really like a catchup and a convention all in one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about the uniqueness of the combine and the
Speaker 3: setting that it provides. You were here some thirty years ago,
Speaker 3: I was here twenty years ago, twenty one years ago.
Speaker 3: Talk about the uniqueness of how it's changed, how it's
Speaker 3: morphed into what it's become today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a big deal now.
Speaker 7: Back in the day, man, you talk about thirty years ago,
Speaker 7: it was a like it was going to never never Land.
Speaker 7: You didn't know what you were walking into, You didn't
Speaker 7: know the drills that you were doing. You didn't really
Speaker 7: understand the magnitude of the event back then, how important
Speaker 7: it was to your draft status and those things. But now,
Speaker 7: because we NFL Network has made it a TV show,
Speaker 7: everyone is prepared for all the things that they need
Speaker 7: to do, and so it's hard to surprise the players.
Speaker 7: If anything, the way evaluators look at players, if you
Speaker 7: don't perform well here, if you don't kind of know
Speaker 7: what's going on and you borrow you do yeah like
Speaker 7: well yeah, like it speaks to your lack of preparation
Speaker 7: and though those things. But I still think it's one
Speaker 7: of the best things to kind of be a part
Speaker 7: of because you get a chance to see guys continue
Speaker 7: to take steps closer to their dreams.
Speaker 4: Well, let's jump right into your mott. You've got us
Speaker 4: take in Jalen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Georgia from Georgia versusal linebacker.
Speaker 7: So the thought is, when you think about Jalen Walker
Speaker 7: and the way the league is playing, we're seeing more
Speaker 7: teams try and use players like Michael Parson's where they're
Speaker 7: the second level hybrid. They can play linebacker, they can
Speaker 7: play edge rusher, they can I think the word that
Speaker 7: I've been heard hearing is points of entry when it
Speaker 7: comes to being able to rush the pass. Right with
Speaker 7: Jalen Walker as someone who can do that, you'll see
Speaker 7: him play off ball linebacker Georgia. You can see him
Speaker 7: come off the edge and have a sack presence. And
Speaker 7: when you think about the age of the Saint's defense,
Speaker 7: you would like to think that, Okay, we need to
Speaker 7: find some dynamic athletes that can play on that level.
Speaker 7: And also Brandon Staley coming over, he had a player
Speaker 7: in Derwin James who used as a hybrid. He's used
Speaker 7: hybrid players before, so to me is kind of like
Speaker 7: a perfect fit.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He used Khalil Mack in a very versatile role.
Speaker 3: He used Bosa in a very versatile role, and the
Speaker 3: majority of football now is played in eleven personnel where
Speaker 3: you need a guy that can stand up and rush
Speaker 3: and drop out and cover right. And so a guy
Speaker 3: that has experienced playing outside backer, has experienced with his
Speaker 3: hand in the dirt rushing from the edge is it
Speaker 3: can be a valuable asset.
Speaker 7: And also when you're thinking about it, not necessarily that
Speaker 7: the Saints needed a culture change, but when you think
Speaker 7: about what you get from players coming from Georgia, Yeah,
Speaker 7: how hard it is, and just the competitive nature that
Speaker 7: is created in that environment. You get a chance to
Speaker 7: bring that over a lot of times when you're a
Speaker 7: new coach, you have a brand new coaching staff, you
Speaker 7: try and flip the culture internally, and sometimes you do
Speaker 7: it by your own presence and the new standards that
Speaker 7: you create, but a lot of times you do it
Speaker 7: with the people that you bring in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been interesting talking to Kellen Moore and even
Speaker 2: the front office. They are really big on the player
Speaker 2: interviews here this week and how that could affect their
Speaker 2: locker room. They want to find the right people to
Speaker 2: bring in. I think they're on the same page there.
Speaker 2: But with the new staff, how do you see what
Speaker 2: maybe we've traditionally seen from the State Saints and how
Speaker 2: they draft changing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's tricky, right because new head coach, new schemes.
Speaker 7: They have different demands in terms of the type of
Speaker 7: players they want, but the front office and the coach
Speaker 7: and the scouting staff remains the same. So how did
Speaker 7: they change their eye How did they change what the
Speaker 7: preferences are. That takes a lot of dialogue and communication.
Speaker 7: Because Kellen was hired so late. Obviously they won the
Speaker 7: Super Bowl when he was with the Philadelphia Eagles, They're
Speaker 7: still probably having some of those conversations. So this is
Speaker 7: the first time that everyone has been able to get
Speaker 7: together and have meetings and talk about, Hey, here's what
Speaker 7: we like at wide receiver, this is what we would
Speaker 7: like to have in a tight end, in a running back,
Speaker 7: offensive line, all of those things. And as they continue
Speaker 7: to work through that, you'll see the board kind of
Speaker 7: shift and you hear different names kind of pop up
Speaker 7: associated with the same as they kind of settle in
Speaker 7: to the type of player they want to bring in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff Ireland said that the way the defense is
Speaker 2: going to be, it opens up a lot of players
Speaker 2: for them on the board. It there's more people that
Speaker 2: they might be looking at.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because with Brandon state that Brandon Stally is a
Speaker 7: disciple of Vic Fangio, and what he would like to
Speaker 7: do is kind of do some different things, play a
Speaker 7: little umbrella coverage over top, do some things when it
Speaker 7: comes to the front. You can play with some bigger
Speaker 7: guys with some smaller guys like and really when you
Speaker 7: go all the way back to when he was first
Speaker 7: of coordinated with the La Rams, they did play with
Speaker 7: a lot of smaller guys, and it does change what
Speaker 7: you can look for because whether we're talking about hybrids
Speaker 7: or the big bodies on the front point of attack,
Speaker 7: it's a lot easier to find.
Speaker 5: Little guys than big guys, and if.
Speaker 7: You can find a way to play good defense with those,
Speaker 7: it does open up the board.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk about the just the way that the influence
Speaker 3: of what the Eagles did in the Super Bowl, certainly
Speaker 3: defensively to a jugger out of an offense or what
Speaker 3: has been over the last couple of years, what they
Speaker 3: did defensively, and how that's going to change everybody else's
Speaker 3: view of how to play defense in the NFL.
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's not only necessarily what they did
Speaker 7: in the Super Bowl, but I would say it's the
Speaker 7: construction of the team. If you look at how the
Speaker 7: Eagles have they've been going to two Super Bowls in
Speaker 7: the last four years.
Speaker 5: They've done it while flipping their roster.
Speaker 7: They are a team that drafts early a year or
Speaker 7: two early before they really need a player.
Speaker 5: It's a great point.
Speaker 7: They always invest in the offensive and defensive lines, which
Speaker 7: gives them an opportunity to dominate. And if you hear
Speaker 7: them say, they say you only invest top picks in
Speaker 7: two types in the trenches, offensive defensive line and guys.
Speaker 5: That can score points.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 7: So if you think about guys that can score points
Speaker 7: de b wide receivers and running backs, but it also
Speaker 7: will be like your guys in the trenches that can
Speaker 7: dominate an old line D line. I think a lot
Speaker 7: of people will kind of look at how they've been
Speaker 7: able to build their team and how they're so young
Speaker 7: and so deep and so talented, and see if they
Speaker 7: can steal some of those ideas and use that blueprint.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what are some of the holes the other
Speaker 3: holes that the Saints need to fill in this strept
Speaker 3: this year?
Speaker 7: You know the thing about the Saints and I feel
Speaker 7: like they've said this for years, like the defense is
Speaker 7: an aging defense. They're long in the teams at every level,
Speaker 7: and I love Cam Jordan, but at some point you
Speaker 7: got to have like the air apparent the next one
Speaker 7: to do it. Look to Mario Davis another one, like
Speaker 7: you got to have someone to say Tyren Matthew. So
Speaker 7: each of those three positions are positions that are core
Speaker 7: positions because you got to have a pass rusher, you
Speaker 7: need to have a traffic cop in the middle of
Speaker 7: the defense at the second level, and then you have
Speaker 7: to have a play making safety in this league sure
Speaker 7: to be able to get it done. I think those
Speaker 7: are holes that need to be addressed. But really it's
Speaker 7: Kellen Moore comes over, you naturally want to put your
Speaker 7: hands on the offense and figure out, okay, can we
Speaker 7: solve this offensive line. I know they've kind of made
Speaker 7: a soft statement about Derek carn doz things, but you
Speaker 7: got to get a quarterback of the future in the
Speaker 7: building if you don't believe that Spencer Ral or the
Speaker 7: other guys is a guy.
Speaker 5: So to me, I think it really is.
Speaker 7: A best player available draft for the same stake and
Speaker 7: take just the best player in every round and live
Speaker 7: with it. Because I don't think it's necessarily a needs
Speaker 7: based dress. Hey, let's upgrade the talent on the roster
Speaker 7: we figure out to play with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting in listening to GM Mickey loom
Speaker 2: As he said that we may keep all nine of
Speaker 2: our picks this year and really load up on some
Speaker 2: young talent.
Speaker 7: Yeah, look at it. I don't think there's anything wrong
Speaker 7: with it at the end of the day. And look,
Speaker 7: this roster is deep when it comes to like trench
Speaker 7: warriors and those things. It's not as deep at wide receiver.
Speaker 7: There's some solid talent at defensive back end and running back.
Speaker 7: I think what you want to do is you want
Speaker 7: to be selected with the players that you're bringing in.
Speaker 7: You want to make sure you nail it with good
Speaker 7: players regardless of position. The only way to build a
Speaker 7: championship caliber team is you got to load it with
Speaker 7: really good players. And as much as you want to
Speaker 7: kind of address needs, you still want to make sure
Speaker 7: that the players are blue chip players, because the teams
Speaker 7: that win championship at a championship level tend to have
Speaker 7: eight to twelve blue chip players, many guys that you
Speaker 7: eventually can see or envision being Pro Bowl caliber players.
Speaker 7: If you get those kind of players in your team,
Speaker 7: you can figure out how to do it.
Speaker 3: Percent on the offensive side, who should the Saints target, Well.
Speaker 7: It depends, you know, Like I wouldn't see an offensive
Speaker 7: player early, but I do think you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: When we're talking about addressing the wide receiver position, you
Speaker 7: can go and add more weapons there. To think about
Speaker 7: the wide receiver position, Like, you have good players, but
Speaker 7: I can't say that this is like a Starling draft.
Speaker 7: So you talked about the guy before we got on air,
Speaker 7: Isaiah Bhn. Yeah, he can be a really good player,
Speaker 7: but he's like a second or third round player. Matthew Golden.
Speaker 7: I would say he's like a second round player. So
Speaker 7: you want to identify those kind of guys that can
Speaker 7: come in and make it happen.
Speaker 5: I would say like tight In.
Speaker 7: Like to me, I think the board is wide open
Speaker 7: for the Saints to do whatever they want.
Speaker 5: Tight In running back, wide receiver.
Speaker 7: I know Alva Kamar is coming back, but at some
Speaker 7: point you got to get the next great one.
Speaker 5: And this is the year. We're in the second or
Speaker 5: third round. You can get a great running back. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: you take.
Speaker 2: A look back kind of a big picture, not just
Speaker 2: on the Saints, but the way that the draft may
Speaker 2: play out. You think we're gonna see a lot of
Speaker 2: surprises or a lot of movement.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: The thing is, there's always a surprise on the first
Speaker 7: stay when it comes to the quarterback situation, as much
Speaker 7: as everyone has kind of poop pooed on the quarterback class.
Speaker 5: And it's not like, but last year's class.
Speaker 7: I remember last year, people didn't think last year's class
Speaker 7: was great, and then bow Knicks emerged as a player
Speaker 7: in the.
Speaker 5: Year, and then was like, oh, that class was great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but we didn't talk about both Nicks, And then
Speaker 7: I remember the outrage when Sean Payton took bow Knicks
Speaker 7: at twelve. To me, it's similar in terms of everyone
Speaker 7: knows Shader Sanders and Cam wored will probably be the
Speaker 7: first two off the board in whatever order, But now
Speaker 7: it's identifying the third one. Is it Jackson Dart, is
Speaker 7: it Jalen Milroe? Do Will Howard and cal McCord get
Speaker 7: into that mix? And then if they do get into
Speaker 7: that conversation, is that a first round conversation or second
Speaker 7: round conversation. All of those scenes kind of factor in,
Speaker 7: But it's a hard position to evaluate. The only thing
Speaker 7: you can do is keep taking swings at the position
Speaker 7: and hope that it lands. But when you looked at
Speaker 7: the playoffs, I think seven or eight they were in
Speaker 7: like the final, the final, the quarterfinals, they were they
Speaker 7: were first round pick trump picks.
Speaker 5: So you have to expend the money.
Speaker 7: And now the thing is the pick has to match
Speaker 7: the performance in the production of the players, so you
Speaker 7: can't stretch it. But you have to find a player
Speaker 7: that you deem worthy of being the first round pick,
Speaker 7: and then you got to take it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and in today's day and age, with the with
Speaker 3: the salary structures for rookie players the way that it
Speaker 3: is now, it gives you a little more leeway in
Speaker 3: taking a young player early. You know, we used to
Speaker 3: say it's gonna set you back two, three, four years
Speaker 3: if you take a quarterback in the top ten and
Speaker 3: you miss, And it's not necessarily the case anymore because
Speaker 3: of the salary structure for rookie players.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you should be bold.
Speaker 7: And the thing that you would like to have is
Speaker 7: everyone on the same page ownership, everyone within the building,
Speaker 7: but also your fans understand that we're going to take
Speaker 7: swings and misses at quarterbacks, we're gonna step to the
Speaker 7: plate and we're gonna keep psycling them through. So let's
Speaker 7: not overreact if we put the quarterback out there and
Speaker 7: he's not good. Like you think about the roller coaster
Speaker 7: the carousel that the Saint say last year with Spencer Ratler,
Speaker 7: was that Jkner player. Yeah, like, hang, they're going back
Speaker 7: and forth and everyone's our rays. I'm like, well, hold on,
Speaker 7: Spencer Radler is a fifth round pick. Like, the expectations
Speaker 7: shouldn't be that he's gonna come and have it all solved.
Speaker 7: But once you draft a quarterback, whenever we said no,
Speaker 7: matter what we say a he needs time. When we
Speaker 7: put him on the field, the expectations that's gonna be
Speaker 7: a super Bowl quarterback?
Speaker 6: Absolutely Okay.
Speaker 2: Free agency wise, do you think that there are a
Speaker 2: lot of people that you could get better with because
Speaker 2: I've heard that they feel like it's kind of a
Speaker 2: weak free agency class as well.
Speaker 7: It is in terms of like the O line, right,
Speaker 7: there's there's no one that you can expect to be
Speaker 7: a gad that's gonna come in. When Kansas City locked
Speaker 7: up Trey Smith and said they're gonna put him on
Speaker 7: a franchise tag. That kind of took the Marquee Trench
Speaker 7: player off off the board. I mean, they're talking about
Speaker 7: Cam Robinson being available for Cam Robinson was traded last
Speaker 7: year in the middle of season from Jacksonville to Minnesota. Like,
Speaker 7: it's hard to think that. Okay, now we're gonna go
Speaker 7: and back up the Brinks truck and give him a
Speaker 7: load of cash. It's tough because the quarterback market is
Speaker 7: gonna dictate some of the free agent market which guys
Speaker 7: go and how they play musical chairs there.
Speaker 5: But really, there there aren't.
Speaker 7: Many like blue chip names that are gonna hit the
Speaker 7: open market. And that's Look, that's kind of the way
Speaker 7: it should be. Your best players shouldn't hit the market.
Speaker 7: You should pay correct.
Speaker 5: To do that.
Speaker 7: And so that's why you hear all these team builders
Speaker 7: talk about draft and development is the best way to
Speaker 7: do it because you can't predict which kind of blue
Speaker 7: chip players are gonna shake free when it comes.
Speaker 5: To free agency.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that makes sense. What's your favorite drill? Here to watch?
Speaker 5: Favorite drill?
Speaker 7: I think everyone likes to forty because it's more like
Speaker 7: a track meet for me as a youngs out. They
Speaker 7: always talked about, hey, look at the jumps because even
Speaker 7: though we can, like you sit in the stands, you
Speaker 7: can see him from afar, but the jump should correlate
Speaker 7: with the forty times. So guys that run fast should
Speaker 7: jump out and jump far. So a guy that's gonna
Speaker 7: run in the four to four range, his vertical should
Speaker 7: be high thirties or forty. And if it's not like that,
Speaker 7: then becomes an issue like well, wait a minute, Like
Speaker 7: that doesn't mean sense. So I like looking at those drills,
Speaker 7: and then some of the positions specific drills, like with
Speaker 7: the DB's like how they flip and turn, how they
Speaker 7: do those things. I think at the wide receiver position,
Speaker 7: it's really hard because you know it as a quarterback,
Speaker 7: you're throwing the guys that you don't know. Everyone runs
Speaker 7: a coral route differently. Everyone expects the ball to be there.
Speaker 7: But there is something to watching how guys naturally catch
Speaker 7: the ball. Because we talk about wide receivers running fast
Speaker 7: and those things. But Hall of Fame executly Bill Pouland,
Speaker 7: you talk about can they catch? And it's one of
Speaker 7: those underrated things when you're looking at guys like can
Speaker 7: they legitimately just catch the ball, Like, did they catch
Speaker 7: it properly with their hands or do they have a
Speaker 7: tough time with it? Because if they struggle here, more
Speaker 7: than likely condine to struggle because it's something that should
Speaker 7: be very natural, and if it's an unnatural deal, it's
Speaker 7: really hard to improve on this skill.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love watching these young men come out and compete.
Speaker 5: And I was.
Speaker 3: I was a fourth round pick coming out of Louisiana Tech.
Speaker 3: I couldn't wait to get here. In stand so I
Speaker 3: can tell that you were from Louisiana at all. Yeah, well.
Speaker 2: You can you the country.
Speaker 3: But I couldn't wait to stand on the field with
Speaker 3: the Ben Roethlisbergers and the Eli Mannings yea, and show
Speaker 3: them what I got. Like that, then, so what's your
Speaker 3: take on guys that come here and decide not to participate.
Speaker 7: So it's hard because I can see it from both perspectives.
Speaker 7: I can see it from a player standpoint, where you're like,
Speaker 7: especially if you played a long time, you're like a
Speaker 7: four year player, you played a bunch of paid fifty games.
Speaker 7: You're like, hey, man, you've seen all the tape. It's
Speaker 7: not much more that I can do it. And it's
Speaker 7: the horror stories of someone getting hurt. Yes, so I
Speaker 7: always worry about that part of it. But then the
Speaker 7: other part from a scouting standpoint, when you have like
Speaker 7: depth at a certain position, you want to see those
Speaker 7: guys go back to back and I want to see
Speaker 7: the best guys perform back to back to back, and
Speaker 7: if they feed off of one another, and who rises
Speaker 7: to the challenge, who falls by the wayside. Because some
Speaker 7: of the pressure that we try to create here manufacture here,
Speaker 7: it's supposed to give us an idea on what you're
Speaker 7: going to be like as a pro. So can you
Speaker 7: perform your best in averge situations?
Speaker 5: Because everyone knows this is not ideal.
Speaker 7: You're not sleeping much, you're all over town, you're doing
Speaker 7: a bunch of things that are on common.
Speaker 5: You're probably gonna have a better performance than your pro day.
Speaker 7: But are you willing to kind of grind it out
Speaker 7: and give us just the best that you have on
Speaker 7: that day?
Speaker 5: How do you handle the stress of it? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, because that's really what it is, because it is
Speaker 7: how are you when you're not at your best? Well,
Speaker 7: if I can get a gauge of where you are
Speaker 7: when you're not at your best, I can probably feel
Speaker 7: really good about you when you really have it together.
Speaker 6: That did y'all go through interviews with teams when you
Speaker 6: were here?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did that. Man, it was in the train.
Speaker 7: They used to have like the train station, and then
Speaker 7: they had the main thing. It's over at the train
Speaker 7: station where the informal interviews where everyone is just grabbing
Speaker 7: you and making you sit down and you got to
Speaker 7: talk to everyone and it's not a time limit, no,
Speaker 7: they can just hold you and talk to you. And
Speaker 7: then you had the formal interviews that were like fifteen
Speaker 7: minutes or whatever. But I just it was just chaotic.
Speaker 7: It was a lot of talking, a lot of conversation.
Speaker 7: And back then, thankfully before like now HR is tuned in,
Speaker 7: Like the questions were random as all anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like yeah it is now.
Speaker 7: I mean they would just ask you all kinds of
Speaker 7: stuff for your if you could be an animer, your
Speaker 7: a catory dog, like stupid stuff like they've gone away
Speaker 7: from like those kinds of questions and a lot of
Speaker 7: people now in those fifteen minutes, they make it really
Speaker 7: just about ball, Like when you step into the room,
Speaker 7: they pop on the tape and it is all about ball.
Speaker 5: Because when you really think about the process.
Speaker 7: You're only with the guys a handful of times, and
Speaker 7: it doesn't even amount to maybe forty eight hours total.
Speaker 7: You're there on a school visit where the area scout
Speaker 7: may talk to him, may not. You bring him in
Speaker 7: for a Top thirty visit, you meet with him here
Speaker 7: at the combine, and then a random occurrence via zoom.
Speaker 7: That's all you know. And so you're making multimillion dollar
Speaker 7: decisions without really knowing the kids. So it's a lot
Speaker 7: to assess us a lot to try and figure out
Speaker 7: when you're projecting how guys not only is going to play,
Speaker 7: but he's gonna fit into your locker room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll never forget. I got drafted by Cleveland. But
Speaker 3: the worst meeting that I had was with the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3: And they were notorious for taking you to the back room.
Speaker 3: They had like you know, a suite and then another door,
Speaker 3: and you go to the back room. There's the head
Speaker 3: coach and the GM and then a and then a
Speaker 3: sports syke and like like heat lamp and everything like
Speaker 3: right here. A little bit oh man stressing you, I mean,
Speaker 3: Butch Davis recruited me to University of Miami out of
Speaker 3: high school. I ended up going a little little Louisiana
Speaker 3: Tech right, very first question, why'd you choose Louisa and
Speaker 3: a tech over Miami?
Speaker 4: God, man, let's put me on the spot. You know,
Speaker 4: but the heat lamp, the heat well, see if you sweating.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's some stories where, uh, we can't disclose the names,
Speaker 7: but where guys have taken prospects on the golf course.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, and golf.
Speaker 7: Rounds with them because you know, like you're golf like
Speaker 7: like getting tea box first. Tea box is nerve wracking
Speaker 7: for everybody, But can you keep your stuff together when
Speaker 7: it's pressureized when you're playing with those things like so
Speaker 7: there are little things that you would do to kind
Speaker 7: of see how guys react. But this has really become
Speaker 7: a very sterile environment when it comes to those things
Speaker 7: that they try and keep it as much about ball
Speaker 7: as possible unless you have egregious character concerns. You try
Speaker 7: not to waste a lot of time dealing with that part,
Speaker 7: and more so about who the person is and how
Speaker 7: are we going to get you to play your best.
Speaker 5: Ball at the next level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for the time. I appreciate
Speaker 2: and I love it. Always to have you here. It's
Speaker 2: great having you in New Orleans recently for the HBC
Speaker 2: Legacy bullets as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, fun, right right right at the beginning of Marty.
Speaker 4: Grass, super important, right, super important.
Speaker 5: I mean it was, but Marty Grass was a lot.
Speaker 5: It was a lot.
Speaker 7: It was a lot going on going on. It's I
Speaker 7: don't I don't know if they just schedule it. Like
Speaker 7: there was a lot going on to manage. But it
Speaker 7: was fine.
Speaker 6: We weren't out there in the parides.
Speaker 5: You didn't see me the flow. It was a lot
Speaker 5: of beads, yeah, a lot of bea a lot of bees.
Speaker 5: Yeah about the with a lot of beats.
Speaker 6: All right, good for you, Thank you so much for
Speaker 6: showing us.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me here at the NFL combine
Speaker 2: Aaron Summers alongside Saints legend Luke McCown and Matt Miller
Speaker 2: from ESPN. You have covered all things this upcoming draft,
Speaker 2: So I need to know is this week the super
Speaker 2: Bowl for you or is it the actual draft?
Speaker 8: The actual draft is a super Bowl, because that's like,
Speaker 8: that's fun. This is like tax time for an accountant.
Speaker 8: You know, it's stressful. There's a lot going on. You're
Speaker 8: trying to make sure you don't forget anything or like
Speaker 8: that you talk to a team and you don't say
Speaker 8: a player's name wrong or something.
Speaker 4: So it's this is a stressful week.
Speaker 8: The workouts are fun, Like once we get to the
Speaker 8: actual workouts, you kind of get to kick your feet
Speaker 8: up and that's like, you know, we just get to
Speaker 8: geek out and watch football at that point. The media
Speaker 8: stuff is a blast. I love getting to talk to
Speaker 8: like different fan bases and different people.
Speaker 4: But it's just a little bit stressful.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: Awesome.
Speaker 3: So number nine and number forty we want to jump
Speaker 3: right in. Yeah, you're two round mock for the New
Speaker 3: Orleans Saints.
Speaker 8: If I did do it today, Gosh, the Saints are
Speaker 8: the hard team for me, I'll be honest, because it's
Speaker 8: you could go anywhere at nine. Yeah, So I tend
Speaker 8: to go like Jalen Walker Georgia because I think when
Speaker 8: you have a team that has needs in so many
Speaker 8: different spots, it's like, let's just get impact players, Like
Speaker 8: let's get a guy that can be a difference maker,
Speaker 8: a tone setter. He's played linebacker, he's played edge rusher.
Speaker 8: I say, you just let him pen his ears back
Speaker 8: and go get the quarterback. I know he's a little
Speaker 8: bit undersized at two and thirty two hundred and forty
Speaker 8: five pounds, but man, he was every time I watched
Speaker 8: Georgia play, he was the best player on the field.
Speaker 3: And a guy that can assimilate into a Brandon Stay
Speaker 3: defense goes from three four to four to three, and
Speaker 3: he's dabbled in both. Maybe a guy that can can
Speaker 3: do multiple things in that defense.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and we saw that some when Staley was with
Speaker 8: the Chargers. He would have guys who fit that mold
Speaker 8: of like sometimes you're standing up, sometimes you're stacking as
Speaker 8: a linebacker. Sometimes you're just putting your hand in the
Speaker 8: dirt and going and getting it. So I would love
Speaker 8: Jalen Walker if he's there at nine, at forty, I
Speaker 8: think you go up the other side. I think you
Speaker 8: got to get wide receivers, playmakers on that side of
Speaker 8: the ball, especially with the future uncertained about Chris o Lave,
Speaker 8: I think you have to be looking at those whiteouts.
Speaker 8: This is a good year to take a white out
Speaker 8: in that range. I don't think we're gonna see many
Speaker 8: come off the board in the top twenty picks. Maybe
Speaker 8: just Travis Hunter so when you get back to forty,
Speaker 8: it's like, Okay, is Matthew Golden from Texas there? That's
Speaker 8: kind of I think his range is in that area.
Speaker 8: Is someone like Jayden Higgins from Iowa State, who is
Speaker 8: a little bit more physical six foot three, two hundred
Speaker 8: and fifteen pounds, even the tight end position like Mason Taylor.
Speaker 8: If Mason Taylor's there at forty, like, I'm all over that,
Speaker 8: right because they need that someone that can just be
Speaker 8: that difference maker on offense. We know, like Kamara's great,
Speaker 8: Derek Carr's gonna be back at quarterback, Like, let's give
Speaker 8: him some help, Let's give him some weapons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what about a Ted McMillan.
Speaker 8: So I'm torn on Tet and I never want to
Speaker 8: like talk badly about a prospect. I have some concerns
Speaker 8: about his ability to separate over the Topay, he's six'.
Speaker 4: Five can he can win at the catch?
Speaker 8: POINT i think he's quicker than, fast and you see
Speaker 8: that sometimes he'll take a hitch rout and he'll make
Speaker 8: a guy, miss but then you's getting caught from behind
Speaker 8: any lot of contested catches where he doesn't separate down the.
Speaker 8: Field SO i think you Know Red. Area he's gonna
Speaker 8: be a big impact because he's gonna be able to
Speaker 8: just out jump guys and make you play for the.
Speaker 8: BALL i don't see The Drake london comps, necessarily just
Speaker 8: BECAUSE i don't know that he has that juice to
Speaker 8: pull away from.
Speaker 2: Guys you Mentioned Travis, hunner and you mentioned him as
Speaker 2: a wide. Receiver obviously he's taken interviews as a. Corner
Speaker 2: he was here today as A. dB how do you see? Him?
Speaker 4: Man he can do whatever he wants to do for.
Speaker 8: Me like if he IF i was running a team
Speaker 8: and he, said, HEY i don't want to play, Corner, like,
Speaker 8: okay let's do. It if he only went to play,
Speaker 8: receiver that's. FINE i think he's better as a receiver
Speaker 8: than he has a. Corner And i've watched him play
Speaker 8: a person this, year and, like he's not the biggest.
Speaker 8: Guy you, know he's six,' one one. EIGHTY five i worry.
Speaker 8: About corners we were Talking about ted McMillan And. DRAKE
Speaker 8: london i worry about him at one. Eighty five i'm
Speaker 8: gonna come down hill and tackle those. Guys consistently we
Speaker 8: saw it in twenty, twenty three he missed three games
Speaker 8: with the last rated liver because he took a really
Speaker 8: hard hit on. The sideline he's not. This big He's
Speaker 8: not patrick's tan. Out there, you know he's a. Smaller
Speaker 8: GUY so i would rather him have the ball and
Speaker 8: evade tacklers to be the guy who has to go
Speaker 8: tackle those like de kN metcalf out wasting boy like.
Speaker 8: Thirty pounds we don't really need him trying to. MAKE
Speaker 8: tackles i THINK he's i think he's. A playmaker i
Speaker 8: would personally try to. Sway him HERE'S what i would.
Speaker 8: Tell him wide receivers make about twenty five million dollars.
Speaker 4: A year corners make. About fifteen that's an.
Speaker 8: Easy decision and you don't have to tackle anyone playing,
Speaker 8: wide receiver.
Speaker 3: So that you don't see any opportunity for him to play.
Speaker 3: BOTH ways i THINK he's i think he'll, do IT and,
Speaker 3: i mean you've played IN. The nfl you know how
Speaker 3: hard that is to play. One position but he's.
Speaker 8: DONE it i think the biggest thing will be the
Speaker 8: canny handle the workload mentally on, both sides to be.
Speaker 8: In meetings how do you? Handle THAT and i Know
Speaker 8: from colorado he would go to. Corner meetings that was his,
Speaker 8: primary position and then they would have a package for
Speaker 8: him a. Wide receiver BASICALLY he's, i mean he's a
Speaker 8: four point. Zero student he's, whip smart so there's no
Speaker 8: lack of. Ability there but it's just from a time
Speaker 8: management canny handle learning. BOTH positions i would worry about.
Speaker 8: The development can you develop effectively at two positions or
Speaker 8: are you holding yourself back from, you know becoming a
Speaker 8: great player at. One position are you sacrificing that to
Speaker 8: be good at?
Speaker 2: Point two not everybody Can Be taysom hill and be
Speaker 2: in five, different, yeah.
Speaker 3: Correct And and taysom even within those he had very
Speaker 3: specific roles to play in, Those meetings so he would be,
Speaker 3: in Meetings and taysom was after, my time but he
Speaker 3: would be in meetings only for the time that they
Speaker 3: were talking about his, his role his, plays right and
Speaker 3: then he would get up and go go to the
Speaker 3: go to the other, tool meeting if.
Speaker 4: You will so it's different in.
Speaker 3: That aspect but But to, matt's point like imagine trying
Speaker 3: to come down And Tackle derrick henry at one hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty four pounds or whatever, IT is i guess
Speaker 3: IT'S just i don't see that being able to translate
Speaker 3: with the load and the amount of game planning that
Speaker 3: goes in is just a different level of game planning
Speaker 3: than it even is from the.
Speaker 8: College GAME so i don't see. It, happening yeah it's
Speaker 8: goning me fun, to watch like to see him make
Speaker 8: a go. At IT and i know he said today's.
Speaker 4: He won he.
Speaker 8: Wants both they asked me if he, Returned kicks, he
Speaker 8: said already have. TWO jobs i don't. Need three but,
Speaker 8: you KNOW like i would put him at wide receiver
Speaker 8: and tell him he's our.
Speaker 4: Punt, returner yeah THAT'S what i would do for those
Speaker 4: are your? Two jobs stop trying to.
Speaker 2: Tackle people corner is a position that's also come up
Speaker 2: For the saints in, this draft and they do have
Speaker 2: pauls and a deepot who potentially go in a. Free
Speaker 2: agency here is a free agent come in the next couple.
Speaker 2: Of weeks and then You Have alante taylor who has
Speaker 2: moved inside outside throughout the season and In kol. A
Speaker 2: McKinstry but do you Think the saints need to look
Speaker 2: at adding another corner if You.
Speaker 4: Lose, PAULSON yes i think that's the.
Speaker 8: Short answer and at nine there might not be one
Speaker 8: true corner having come off. The board i'm A Big will,
Speaker 8: johnson FAN and i know he's had the, foot injury the,
Speaker 8: turf toe so he had played a whole. Lot Recently
Speaker 8: but i'm still a fan. Of his he's my number three. Overall,
Speaker 8: PLAYER wow i still think. He's great and, you know
Speaker 8: he played two games this strary he had two. PICK
Speaker 8: sixes i mean he's and. He's built he's six, foot
Speaker 8: two two, hundred pounds. Big guy yeah. He is and,
Speaker 8: you know folks will get on Here, about oh he
Speaker 8: made some business decisions as. A tackler every cornerback ever,
Speaker 8: Does Right LIKE i'm i grew Up Watching dion sanders
Speaker 8: make business decisions. At corner you guys the greatest to ever,
Speaker 8: Do IT so i don't worry about that. Too much
Speaker 8: he is a ball hawk and he erases his side of.
Speaker 8: The field so if you could, YOU know i Loved
Speaker 8: kool aid. Last year if you could Have A will
Speaker 8: johnson And kol aid as your corner duo for the
Speaker 8: next four or five years, like that that's a pretty dang.
Speaker 3: Strong, secondary yeah so a couple of a couple of
Speaker 3: other mogus have safety at. Number, nine yeah talking about
Speaker 3: the young man From, From Georgia, Malachi starks what do you?
Speaker 5: See there?
Speaker 8: That's early? For me nine would. BE early i actually
Speaker 8: haven't a round two Great. ON starks i thought he
Speaker 8: had a down year compared to twenty. Twenty three he
Speaker 8: had to play a little bit out of position. THIS
Speaker 8: year i think he's more of a nickel than he
Speaker 8: is a true. FREE safetyay i think he plays in
Speaker 8: That Like buddha. Baker role, you know that's where you
Speaker 8: would want him kind of hanging out more near the line.
Speaker 8: Of scrimmage think he he struggled at times playing deep
Speaker 8: safety just because he didn't have that speed to close on.
Speaker 8: THE ball i think That both texas games kind of
Speaker 8: highlighted that where he got beat deep a.
Speaker 4: Little bit so nine would. Be early now forty if, he's,
Speaker 4: there like that's a.
Speaker 8: Different conversation and, interestingly enough a lot of those nickel
Speaker 8: type safety guys have fallen in. The draft Brian, Branch Fell,
Speaker 8: buddha Baker Feil, Antoine winfield Judi.
Speaker 4: Fel so if, HE slips i think forty is a much.
Speaker 4: Better value love it.
Speaker 2: Love at least you value them participating in the drills
Speaker 2: that are about.
Speaker 4: To, happen YEAH like i want everyone.
Speaker 8: To, compete Yeah by april, Twenty fourth i'll forget who did.
Speaker 8: AND didn't, i think, you know It's like i'm not
Speaker 8: going to knock a guy for not competing because we
Speaker 8: don't always know what's, going on, you know especially now
Speaker 8: with the college football playoff doesn't End, until february it
Speaker 8: feels like so, it's like, you know especially those four
Speaker 8: teams that had the, late run they're they're eight weeks
Speaker 8: behind in their. Combine prep so you can't really get
Speaker 8: on a guy if, you know if you Played At
Speaker 8: ohio State Or, notre dame it feels like your season
Speaker 8: just ended and now we want you to run the
Speaker 8: most important forty yard dash of. Your life like you
Speaker 8: kind of understand those guys wanting To hit paul's and
Speaker 8: do it at their.
Speaker 3: PRO day a Lot of saints fans want to Know
Speaker 3: About spencer rattler entering year two and what that. Looks
Speaker 3: like obviously there's questions surrounding the contract and all. The
Speaker 3: Things With, Derek carr mickey sounded very convincing yesterday with
Speaker 3: his endorsement of what they're trying to.
Speaker 4: Do with carr to keep.
Speaker 3: Him there let's Talk About spencer ratler and what he
Speaker 3: needs to show stipping into.
Speaker 8: Year two, you know my evaluation on him coming out
Speaker 8: of college, even once he just needs to. Be consistent
Speaker 8: you'll watch him make a handful of plays and, you'll,
Speaker 8: think oh, my goodness this guy is he's.
Speaker 4: Got it, you know he's.
Speaker 8: A playmaker he can, move around he's got a, big
Speaker 8: arm especially for being a. Little guy he's got a
Speaker 8: big arm and he sees the. Field well but she's
Speaker 8: got to do, it CONSISTENTLY and i think you want
Speaker 8: to rain him in a little. Bit almost, you know
Speaker 8: it's where he's not taking some of the chances that
Speaker 8: he made. In, College especially but, YOU know i would
Speaker 8: be excited about the development. Of him that developing quarterbacks
Speaker 8: has kind of died IN. The nfl it just doesn't really.
Speaker 8: Happen ANYMORE so i think when you have a guy
Speaker 8: that has some of those tools, and, traits, like yeah
Speaker 8: let's see what he, can become especially now with, you
Speaker 8: Know with kellen there someone who has that experience. Playing
Speaker 8: quarterback he's been influential in developing. Some quarterbacks what he
Speaker 8: just Did in philadelphia with. A quarterback they can move
Speaker 8: around And j Jalen and spencer are very Very, different
Speaker 8: bill but like a quarterback that can move around and make.
Speaker 8: SOME plays i would be fascinated to See how rattler Develops.
Speaker 3: Under, kellen so Speaking Of, jalen hurts let's Talk About,
Speaker 3: jalen MILROE who i think is the perfect Comp To.
Speaker 3: Jalen hurts not the most polished passer coming out. Of, college,
Speaker 3: yeah right, highly athletic. Incredibly intelligent he can do Exactly
Speaker 3: What kellen moore would like.
Speaker 8: To, DO no, i mean that's the Dream For, jalen
Speaker 8: milro is that You Become. Jalen hurts i've been asked
Speaker 8: about that a couple times in the. LAST month i
Speaker 8: Think With, jalen hurts what helped him more than Anything Was.
Speaker 8: Lincoln rightly, you know they completely changed his. Passing mechanics
Speaker 8: they loosened. Him up if you Remember at alabama he
Speaker 8: was so stiff and robotic and everything looked like he
Speaker 8: was thinking. About, it well he Gets to oklahoma and it's.
Speaker 8: Completely changed he's, loosened up his accuracy. GOT better I think,
Speaker 8: milroe needs he needs his Version Of, lincoln rightley and
Speaker 8: that might. Be killingmore you know somebody who who, can
Speaker 8: say let's build you from the ground up and you
Speaker 8: know this better.
Speaker 4: Than me you should be talking, about this.
Speaker 8: Like the footwork and. Every like there's so much disconnect in.
Speaker 8: His game he just needs that time and someone that
Speaker 8: he trusts, to, say like let's. Rebuild you let's start
Speaker 8: at the base BECAUSE like, i mean he might run
Speaker 8: a four to. THREE here, i mean he's a. Fantastic
Speaker 8: ATHLETE and i think if you, draft him just like
Speaker 8: they Did With Jalen, hurdson philly you want to have
Speaker 8: a package for, him early like let's get this guy on,
Speaker 8: the field because he is such a difference maker with
Speaker 8: the ball in, his hands and we saw It. At
Speaker 8: alabama but he's he's really interesting because he regressed as
Speaker 8: a pastor. This, year yeah you just saw it kind of,
Speaker 8: fall apart AND so i think that's where these interviews
Speaker 8: are going to be huge for him as his teams
Speaker 8: being able to, find, out hey like what happened like
Speaker 8: early in, the year you were, on fire and you
Speaker 8: actually the arm got worse throughout.
Speaker 4: The season what? Happened There And adawen, drea.
Speaker 2: Yep exactly but the way that this draft is do
Speaker 2: you think they're gonna be surprises in.
Speaker 8: THE top i think this year we might get more,
Speaker 8: surprises because Like if LUKE and i did draft, boards
Speaker 8: together in, most years we're getting to be kind, of similar,
Speaker 8: you know like the top fifteen guys are the top.
Speaker 8: Fifteen guys this year's gonna be completely different because there's
Speaker 8: just huge disparity in the, top fifteen definitely in the.
Speaker 8: First ROUND so i think we'll get. SOME surprises i
Speaker 8: have nightmares about, this happening about a player getting Picked and, i'm,
Speaker 8: like wait what who? Got picked but You Know michael
Speaker 8: pennocks at eight last year. Was, this yeah by, the
Speaker 8: way we called that.
Speaker 3: One said somebody's gonna take it inside. The, Team yep
Speaker 3: so maybe it wasn't surprise. To him it wasn't.
Speaker 8: You know like but on, draft night there's there's always
Speaker 8: gonna be something shocking, that happens and it is literally
Speaker 8: our worst nightmare, of, like okay let's be prepared for
Speaker 8: everything just.
Speaker 6: In case how much do you sit there and check off?
Speaker 8: Your mocks, OH yeah i mean no. One will i'll
Speaker 8: probably the only one would admit to you that we.
Speaker 8: Do it, but yeah you want to know AND like
Speaker 8: i don't compete with like my colleagues, and stuff but
Speaker 8: my buddies will be watching the draft text to me
Speaker 8: like you got that.
Speaker 4: One wrong you got that, one wrong and it's, Like
Speaker 4: okay it's this is a.
Speaker 5: Hard job.
Speaker 8: You know we're trying to project like what five hundred
Speaker 8: players are gonna do and thirty two teams are gonna
Speaker 8: do Seven times so, BUT yeah i mean we're aware
Speaker 8: of it.
Speaker 3: For sure so who's that under the, radar player, small
Speaker 3: school maybe small conference that's going to surprise people here at?
Speaker 8: THE comment, i mean you guys might be aware Of
Speaker 8: grades Aabel From North. Dakota STATE he's i think he's
Speaker 8: a first, round pick and that might be. The surprise,
Speaker 8: you know he had A Great senior. Bowl week some
Speaker 8: of that could.
Speaker 4: Surprise.
Speaker 8: HERE gosh i think because of like, social media we're
Speaker 8: almost immune to, surprises now, you know because like everybody's
Speaker 8: got a, highlight reel There's ALWAYS but I Think, baseial
Speaker 8: tooting the running Back From, virginia tech is gonna do Really.
Speaker 8: Well henna he's gonna test, exceptionally well and in this
Speaker 8: running back class he gets. FORGOTTEN about i think he
Speaker 8: would be the GUY and I know tech isn't a,
Speaker 8: small school but we all know like there's five or
Speaker 8: six great running backs in. HIS class i think he's
Speaker 8: been forgotten about to, some degree and he could really
Speaker 8: shine Here.
Speaker 2: At dolan hulker was somebody that obviously stood out last
Speaker 2: year because of the catches multiple right that he made
Speaker 2: and he's.
Speaker 4: Your awareness right to make.
Speaker 1: The.
Speaker 4: Catch, yet well.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for stopping by and chatting with.
Speaker 4: Us today always happy. To you, Thanks, guys thanks, Thank.
Speaker 2: YOU luke i appreciate you being here all week and
Speaker 2: sharing the show, with me giving us all of your insight.
Speaker 4: As well this has been.
Speaker 3: A ton of fun walk down. Memory lane Although memory
Speaker 3: lane didn't look like this twenty one, years ago but
Speaker 3: it's been a lot.
Speaker 2: Of, Fun, okay well we might just tap into you
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