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Speaker 1: Ola Latino USA listener, It's Maria no Josa and today

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Speaker 1: we're going to share a podcast with you that we've

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Speaker 1: been listening to. It's called Hungary for History. It's from

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Speaker 1: our colleagues at iHeartMedia's My Gultura podcast network. You might

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Speaker 1: have heard of the hosts, actress and director Eva Longoria

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Speaker 1: and Mike de Gomez Rejon, who's a culinary historian. So

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Speaker 1: they've joined forces to dive into the origins of their

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Speaker 1: favorite Mexican foods and drinks, whether it's Tamales trocolat Caliente

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Speaker 1: or delicious awkat Is. On today's episode, Eva and Mike

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Speaker 1: dy are going to talk about besa beer. They're going

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Speaker 1: to share their favorite Mexican beers and how the drink

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Speaker 1: has evolved through the years. And guess what. It turns

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Speaker 1: out women were the original beer brewers. So get your

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Speaker 1: favorite drink ready, Servesa and enjoy.

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Speaker 2: One of the most ancient alcoholic beverages. Beer has brought

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Speaker 2: people together since the dawn of civilization.

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Speaker 3: Today's episode is all about the history of beer. My

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Speaker 3: name is Evel Lomboria and I am my Racon and

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Speaker 3: welcome to Hungry for History, a podcast that explores are

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Speaker 3: past and present through food.

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Speaker 2: On every episode, we'll talk about the history of some

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Speaker 2: of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages.

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Speaker 3: So make yourself at home. I do you have a beer.

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Speaker 4: With you right now?

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Speaker 2: I have like what I have in front of me.

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Speaker 2: I have a little a little container cooled with ice,

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Speaker 2: and I have a little coronita.

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Speaker 3: I love those. I have charro beer. You have, I

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Speaker 3: have had you have that.

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Speaker 2: It's wonderful.

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Speaker 3: It's like the opposite of this. I love that we

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Speaker 3: both we both picked Mexican beers. I'm gonna open this

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Speaker 3: one up. Is it two? Open it up with my tea.

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Speaker 2: Don't do that.

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Speaker 3: Let's know. I got it. Oh that's a good sound.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to get that sound. Now you are

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Speaker 3: a fan of beer. I am not.

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Speaker 2: You're not a fan of beer.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a beer drinker. No.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I drink more other things than I

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Speaker 2: drink beer. But on a hot summer day, there's nothing

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Speaker 2: better than a beer, or like a really good michelada

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Speaker 3: Okay, mich lada, that's my jam. Now you're now you're

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Speaker 3: speaking my language. I'll drink a michalala and I'll drink.

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Speaker 3: What's the other The clamato has that tomato based Yes,

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Speaker 3: that's the one. I like the glamato with the with

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Speaker 3: the chamois on the rim, with the uh pica fresa

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Speaker 2: That is the best. And when it has a piece

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Speaker 2: of celery sticking out of it, that's even better.

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Speaker 3: I did not know miche lava came from michella e lava,

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Speaker 3: my beer ice cold, michella milava.

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Speaker 2: I love these sort of play on words, Like when

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Speaker 2: you think about where words come from. I find that

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Speaker 2: so interesting. So even the word comes from the Roman

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Speaker 2: goddess of agriculture, Cetus. So Cetus the strength of Cetus.

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Speaker 2: So the strength of agriculture is is is the goddess?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's where cereal comes from as well. Exactly

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Speaker 3: the exactly goddess of cetis oh comes from.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting, so many interesting things.

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Speaker 3: Beer's older than wine. Correct, Beer is.

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Speaker 2: One of the most ancient fermented beverages. Like we don't

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Speaker 2: know exactly when beer was first fermented, but it was

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Speaker 3: I know, we don't know exactly when it started, but

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Speaker 2: probably something that was discovered, not necessarily something that was invented.

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Speaker 3: But beer was consumed by everybody, rich, poor men, women.

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Speaker 2: Everybody consumed beer. It was the drink for everybody. Yes, rich,

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Speaker 2: So it's very different than a lot of other you know,

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Speaker 2: always been around. I mean, the ancient Egyptians had at

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Speaker 2: You know, they had names ranging from the beautiful and

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Speaker 2: the good, the heavenly, the joy Bringer. But you mentioned

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Speaker 2: a little bit buzzed connecting us to the gods. So

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Speaker 2: this is the same with with beer. Right, This whole

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Speaker 2: of you know, alter consciousness was something that was magical.

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Speaker 3: It was like it was a gift from the gods.

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Speaker 3: I think I stole that from you that every time

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Speaker 3: I drink wine, I go, I'm just connecting to the gods.

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Speaker 3: Don't mind me, don't mind me. But yeah, it was

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Speaker 3: grapes were seasonal. Wine couldn't be stored without pottery, and

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Speaker 3: It was a very low maintenance alcoholic.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it was very low maintenance. And because of this,

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Speaker 2: eventually it becomes a drink of the lower classes because

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Speaker 2: for millennia, it was the drink for everybody, especially you know,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, but yes, I love that beer. Like in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I find that so interesting, especially like writing was

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Speaker 2: you know, documents in cuoning form basically were about bread, beer,

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Speaker 2: and gray, which is so interesting to me.

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Speaker 3: But they would use it like medicinally too. Sometimes sometimes

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Speaker 3: saffron and beer massaged into a woman's abdomen and was

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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, yeah, it's like okay, that's interesting. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: is half an onion mixed with beer is set to

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Speaker 3: Oh, I gotta try that. That does not sound appetizing

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Speaker 2: At all, not even a little bit. It's so funny though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the olive, the olives, the olives with beer

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Speaker 3: cured indigestion. So I just think people were very, very innovative,

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Speaker 2: And I wonder what that means, Like, what is adequate?

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Speaker 2: What would be adequate to you if it were wine?

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Speaker 2: Or it would be.

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Speaker 3: Adequate to you, Oh, it would be bottomless, like bottomless mimosas,

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Speaker 3: but bottomless bottomles. Thats of why.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: Don't go anywhere. We've got more on the history of

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Speaker 3: beer when we come back.

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Speaker 2: I think what I find the most interesting about beer

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Speaker 2: in general is that traditionally brewers were women. What for

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Speaker 2: many women sort of fermenting beer was a household you know, task,

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Speaker 2: It was an important thing. And ancient Sumerian women double

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Speaker 2: just priestesses. They fermented beer for religious purposes, to honor

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Speaker 2: their goddess Nicassi, who they believed gave beer to humans

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Speaker 2: thousands of years, women had extensive knowledge of plants associated

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Speaker 2: with curing ailments, cooking, brewing, and also witchcraft.

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Speaker 3: obsessed with the Middle Ages and all of that Renaissance England,

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Speaker 3: women are getting too far ahead of themselves. The religious

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Speaker 3: then the male brewers saw the opportunity and to reduce competition,

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Speaker 3: and so some of those male brewers would accuse female

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Speaker 3: brewers of witchcraft and being witches and they were brewing

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Speaker 3: up spells and potions instead of the beer. And that

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Speaker 3: Like what it's insane.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because of the whole Reformation movement that was okay, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: The fact that to date, to date, men dominate the

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Speaker 3: beer industry and all these beer companies you know, really

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Speaker 3: positioned beer as a male drink. And it's really you see,

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Speaker 2: So it's so fascinating. It's that blows my mind. This

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Speaker 2: When we come back carmin Belasco Favela of Mochere's brew

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Speaker 2: House sends us a message stay with.

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Speaker 3: Us, Welcome back to the show. Muheta's brew House is

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Speaker 4: My name is Carmen Velasco and I was born in

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Speaker 4: Muhetta's Blue House. Some Muhitdah's brew House actually started as

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Speaker 3: Why the craft beer is the original beer.

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Speaker 2: The craft beer is the original beer. Absolutely, it is

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Speaker 3: I love Chad. I'm not a beer drinker, but Chardo's

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Speaker 2: I have to go up going to Monterrey in April

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Speaker 2: It is. I agree, and I love a good even

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Speaker 3: What a fascinating history, and there's so much more. I mean,

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