1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: This is the bloom Big Day Break you at podcast. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: Good morning, It's Tuesday, the sixteenth of September. I'm Caroline 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: Hepga in London. 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: And I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today, Carostarmer rolls 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: out the red carpet as Donald Trump expects to announce 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: deals worth more than ten billion dollars during his state 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: visit to the UK. 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: An appeals court blocked the US President's efforts to fire 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 2: Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook ahead of tomorrow's interest rate decision. 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Plus more capital or a new headquarters abroad? Could UBS 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: really take the nuclear option in its showdown with the 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: Swiss government. 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: Economic deals totaling more than ten billion dollars are expected 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: to be announced during US President Donald Trump's state visit 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: to the UK, which begins later today. It comes as 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: London's Final Sector called on the government to go further 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 1: to attract private investment into British assets. Bloomberg's teaa adebio has. 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 3: More a science in technology partnership, plans to build nuclear 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: power stations and deeper financial connections just some of the 22 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 3: goods on offer to the UK. As Donald Trump's US 23 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 3: delegation prepares to visit, But whilst Kirs Starmer gears up 24 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: to host discussions with the President in the English countryside, 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: the country's financial hub is calling for change. According to 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 3: a City of London Corporation report, the UK faces one 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty billion pounds in unmet funding needs over 28 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: the next five years. The financial district's governing body are 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: calling for measures to steer pension capital into UK equities. 30 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,919 Speaker 3: This just weeks ahead of an autumn budget that economists 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: widely expect to hike taxes to fill a fiscal hole. 32 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: In London, Tiwa ad a bio Bloomberg radio. 33 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: Well saying in the UK, the Prime Minister Kis Starmer 34 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: has lost a third key ally from government in less 35 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: than two weeks. Starmer's director of strategy, Paul Ovenden, resigned 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: after sexually explicit comments he made in twenty seventeen were 37 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: published by ITV News. The senior advisor's exit comes after 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: Starmer lost both his deputy Prime Minister and ambassador to 39 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: the United States over separate scandals. In his first public 40 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: comments since he fired ambassador Peter Mandelson. The Prime Minister, 41 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: says that Mandelson's ties to Jeffrey Epstein made his position untenable. 42 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 4: Had I known then what I know now, i'd never 43 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 4: appointed him, because what emerged last week were emails Bloomberg 44 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 4: emails which showed that the nature and extent of the 45 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: relationship that Peter Mandelson had with Epstein was far different 46 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: to what I had understood to be the position. 47 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: But Starmer's decision is likely to be a sore point 48 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: doing Trump's visit, given the US leader's own struggle to 49 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 2: move on from questions about his ties to Epstein. The 50 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: loss of so many senior figures in a short time 51 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: in the UK is leading some to question how stable 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: Starmer's own position is despite his large majority in Parliament. 53 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: A growing number of economists believe the Bank of England 54 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: has finished cutting interest rates as it grapples with a 55 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: fresh spike in inflation. Figures you out tomorrow are expected 56 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: to show inflation peaking at four percent this month, double 57 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: the bank's target. Membrooks, Freddie Filston has more. 58 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 5: Economists surveyed by Bloomberg say they believe the BOE will 59 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 5: keep rates at four percent for the foreseeable future. The group, 60 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 5: which includes Santander, Schroeders and others, unanimously believes rates will 61 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 5: stay on hold this Thursday. The prospect of limited further 62 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 5: rate cuts or none at all, will pile further pressure 63 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 5: on Chancellor Rachel Reeves, who businesses blame for fueling inflation 64 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 5: with her twenty six billion pound tax hike on employers 65 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 5: in London. Freddie Fulston Bloomberg Radio Now. 66 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: Officials from the US and China have reached a framework 67 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: on keeping TikTok running in the United States. The deal 68 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: was reached during talks in Madrid, with Treasury Sectary Scott 69 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: Bessen confirming a plan for US ownership of the app. 70 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: CBS News reports that Oracle is among a group of 71 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: firms that could enable TikTok operations to continue. The framework 72 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: sets these stage for a phone call on Friday between 73 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: President Trump and President Hijinping. Donald Trump spoke to reporters 74 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: in the Oval Office. 75 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 6: It's important and it can maybe even bring us closer 76 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 6: to channel. 77 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 4: We had a very good meeting with John. 78 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 2: I was surprised. 79 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 7: I didn't expect it to that extent, and I'm going 80 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 7: to speak again with President Chi on. 81 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: Friday, and you know, I think I think that'll confirm 82 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: things up. 83 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: That was President Trump speaking there. China's Comma Ministry called 84 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: the deal a consensus, though some technical hurdles remain. The 85 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: breakthrough could unlock a long awayed Trump Gee summit at 86 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: an Asia Pacific Corporation Forum in South Korea, which will 87 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: take place at the end of next month. 88 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: The Federal Appeals Court has rejected President Trump's bid to 89 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: unseat the FED Governor Lisa Cook ahead of the rate 90 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: setting meeting. The ruling makes it more likely that Cook 91 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: will take part, although Trump could still ask the Supreme 92 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: Court to intervene. Meanwhile, the Senate confirmed Stephen Myron is 93 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: a FED governor. It'll pave the way for Myron, who's 94 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: currently Trump's economic advisor, to join the policymakers. Here is 95 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Katarina Sarreva. 96 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 7: We haven't seen a huge market reaction yet, you know, 97 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 7: even when he was first nominated by the President, there wasn't, 98 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 7: you know, some massive reaction. And that's kind of been 99 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 7: kind of interesting, right People have thought that maybe we 100 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 7: would see a bigger reaction now. Maybe part of that 101 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 7: is because he is just one role, you know, out 102 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 7: of twelve on the Federal Open Market Committee, so he's 103 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 7: alone is not going to change inter streight policy. 104 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: That's Bloomberg's Katerina Sarava. Myron has said that he would 105 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: take leave from his role as chair of the White 106 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: House Council of Economic Advisors, but not resign. It'll be 107 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: the first time in ninety years that are sitting White 108 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: House official will have a role in setting monetary policy. 109 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: Elsewhere, Deutsche Bank says that international investors are slashing their 110 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: dollar exposure at an unprecedented pace through currency hedges for 111 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 2: US stock and bond purchases. The bank says that for 112 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: the first time this decade, flows into dollar hedged ETFs 113 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: that by US assets have exceeded those in unhedged funds. 114 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: Writing in a note to clients, Deutschebank's global head of 115 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: currency Research, Georgia sarr Velos, says that he believes this 116 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: explains why the dollar remains weak despite international investors plowing 117 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: money back into USS. 118 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: Wall Street's main regulator says it's prioritizing President Trump's proposal 119 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: to reduce the frequency of corporate earnings reports. The SEC 120 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: says it's pursuing plans to quote further eliminate unnecessary regulatory 121 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: burdens on companies. It follows a social media post in 122 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: which Trump called for an end quarterly reports for investors. 123 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: Research Affiliates chair and founder Rob Arnett says the move 124 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: could increase companies long term focus. 125 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 8: I'm a libertarian. I prefer to let people and businesses 126 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 8: do what they want. I think a requirement of every 127 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 8: three months fine. Lift the requirement. If a company wants 128 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 8: to report every six months, every twelve months, that's fine. 129 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 8: Publicly traded it out a report at least once in 130 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 8: a while, but a requirement for quarterly reporting increases short termism. 131 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 8: I've often said that I will never ever work for 132 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 8: a publicly traded company again. I've been saying that for 133 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 8: a quarter century, and the reason is regulatory distraction and 134 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 8: short termism. 135 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: Search Affiliates chair and founder Rob Barnett. There As, supporters 136 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: of quarterly reporting say it's crucial for keeping investors informed 137 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: and reduces the chances of market manipulation. 138 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: Those are our top stories for you this morning. Let's 139 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: look at the markets where you have very bullish stock traders. 140 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: Asian stocks hitting record high MSCI Asia Pacific indexes up 141 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 2: seven tenths of one percent, ten days of gains in 142 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: a row. The S and P five hundred above six 143 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: six hundred, again on a stellar run, the expectation of 144 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: a FED rate cut on Wednesday's softer labor market conditions 145 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 2: and no big inflationary surprises. Gold has also climbed to 146 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: due record this morning, three thousand, six hundred and eighty 147 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: three dollars. We're up by another almost two tenths of 148 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: one percent. Treasuries are steady today, two year yields hovering 149 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: near their lowest since last September. The dollars also sliding, 150 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: and we get US retail sales data later on today. 151 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: Those are the markets in a moment. 152 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: More and what to expect from Donald trump state visit 153 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: to the UK, plus the options being considered by the 154 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: Swiss Bank UBS as it faces a massive increase in 155 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: capital requirements. Put another story that we've been reading this morning, 156 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: perhaps an optimistic spin on AI creativity. Karl, I feel 157 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: like you and I are the AI curmudgeons essentially in 158 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: this world. Move It's just me, but who worry about 159 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: thus being inundated with AI slot but Bradstone is the 160 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: editor of Bloomberg BusinessWeek. Has been writing about how the 161 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: AI generator content in social media in I suppose he's 162 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: looking at it from a boon in creativity point of 163 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: this is something you know. To be able to create 164 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: the great AI content, you still need to have imagination 165 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: to begin with. And he talks about one example, which 166 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: is this eight second clip of rabbits bouncing on a 167 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: trampoline outside made to look like grainy security footage. It's 168 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: in eight seconds one of them disappears, and this caused 169 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: a massive furori. I suppose we describe it as online 170 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: people got very excited about where was the rabbit? How 171 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: could it have disappeared? People guessing before it was flagged 172 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: as being AI generated, how it could have been done? 173 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 2: And not just a few people. This is millions and million, 174 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty million times this little video has 175 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: been viewed around the world. Look, even I have been 176 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:18,359 Speaker 2: sucked into watching these AI videos on TikTok and elsewhere. 177 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: I mean the talking babies phenomenon, yes, I think basically 178 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: sometimes quite drking dogs. 179 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: There's talking dogs as well as the dog podcast. It's 180 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: called a podcast. 181 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: I mean, they're cute, they're a bit creepy, they're a 182 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: bit weird. Yes, it is creative, but it also does 183 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: suck up a lot of time, doesn't it. And it's 184 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: advertising back to you. 185 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: But I suppose the argument made by one of these 186 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: creators that spoke to Brad for this piece is is 187 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: this better than us just being marketed really fancy things 188 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: that make you feel bad about our lives. Wouldn't you 189 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: rather see a dog talk than feel bad that you 190 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: can't afford that, you know, car slash house, slash watch 191 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: slash holiday. 192 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I have less qualms about it because of 193 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: course they're AI generated, so the babies and the dogs 194 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: are actually not real babies and dons. They don't belong 195 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 2: to anybody, so actually you're kind of you're not infringing 196 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: on their privacy. I suppose it's just weird. 197 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: A good point to end a conversation about AI generation contaent, It. 198 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: Is just weird. 199 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: You could read Brad's peace. We'll put a LinkedIn in 200 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: our podcast show notes at sam Bloomberg dot com as well. 201 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 3: Well. 202 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Let's bring you more now and what to expect from 203 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: the US President's state visit to the UK, which begins 204 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: later today. Our UK politics reporter James Wilcock is with 205 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: us from more James talkers through then. One of the 206 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: expectations around this visits, I. 207 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 9: Mean, we're expecting three days of pageantry. Donald Trump's US 208 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 9: president sets arrived this evening and we're going to be 209 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 9: getting a carriage, processions, royal salutes and a state banquet. 210 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 9: But behind these ceremonial events, it's an opportunity for both 211 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 9: diplomacy and for business. Alphabet have already announced this morning 212 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 9: they are investing five billion pounds into the UK's growing 213 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 9: AI economy. Bloomberg have learned that over the next few 214 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 9: days further multi billion dollar UK investments respected from UK 215 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 9: US companies, totaling as much as ten billion, if not more. Now, 216 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 9: this is going to be a big deal for Kissed Armer, 217 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 9: who has talked up both his relationship with Donald Trump 218 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 9: you as president, and also his ability to get foreign 219 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 9: direct investment into the country. So in some ways this 220 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 9: is going to be a good news story for a 221 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 9: prime minister who has been struggling in a few weeks 222 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 9: of difficult headlines. 223 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and if it boosts economic growth in Britain, I'm 224 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: surely that's the man take that the government was elected on. 225 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: Everyone will cheer that if that is what flows from this, 226 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: but I suppose it's also there are some awkward elements 227 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: to this. I mean it is also awkward for kiss 228 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: Sar obviously from a party on the left. There's the 229 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: Mandalson scandal. There's lots of other issues that could emerge 230 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 2: over the course of these three days and lots of FaceTime, 231 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 2: but also lots of opportunities for things that go wrong. 232 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 9: I guess well, I mean, look like you say, the 233 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 9: ghosts at the feast or the ghost at the state banquet, 234 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 9: maybe I should say, is Peter Mandelson, who wasn't until 235 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 9: last week Britain's ambassador to the US, before a series 236 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 9: of emails reported on by Bloomberg lay clear the depths 237 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 9: of his relationship with the disgraced fancier Jeffrey Epstein. Now, look, 238 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 9: losing your ambassador before a visit from the leader of 239 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 9: the ambassador to the country is by any metric, a 240 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 9: diplomatic faux pas, sort of in the gallery Hall of Fame, 241 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 9: and so much of the state visit is a gambit 242 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 9: by Britain to say we will put our all into 243 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 9: winning over one very powerful person, and this is always 244 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 9: how the UK establishment has done it. In exchange for 245 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 9: if we put everything into impressing US President dal Trump, 246 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 9: we will get hopefully the sort of system goes economic 247 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 9: or diplomatic coups. And so the whole point is then 248 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 9: to make sure that US President dal Trump has a 249 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 9: good time and so to that thing. Things that could 250 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 9: sort of derail here are any sort of difficult questions 251 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 9: about Epstein or Mandelson at the press conference, but also 252 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 9: questions around sort of Vice President jd Vance's concerns around 253 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 9: UK free speech that's been a big mag of issue. 254 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 9: Tesla Ceo Elon Musk just over the weekend made some 255 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 9: incredibly incendiy remarks. The UK partitions here have already all 256 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 9: condemned in the mainstream. We're talking to liberal Democrats, even 257 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 9: Nagel Frash from Reform UK. There's also the risk of 258 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 9: UK protests. I mean, in Trump's first term when he visited, 259 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 9: there was a now infamous blimp of Trump shaped like 260 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 9: a baby that flew over London, which he then commented 261 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 9: on in viun of the Sun. If the whole point 262 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 9: of this is for Kirs Starmer is to have deliberable gains, 263 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 9: so for the UK public, if at the end of 264 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 9: this summit, the state visit, there aren't deliverable gains. That 265 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 9: also raises questions about his efficacy. 266 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: This is all happening at a time, James, when Kirs 267 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: Starmer has seen plenty of upheaval in his own team, 268 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: and there is yet more of that today. 269 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 9: Yes, I mean that. Two weeks ago, after a very 270 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 9: difficult and bruising first year in government, Starmer declared the 271 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 9: start of phase two. It's going very well. 272 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 7: So far. 273 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 9: He has lost his deputy Prime Minister, he has sacked 274 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 9: his US ambassador and as of yesterday we can report 275 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 9: that also he has sacked one of his most senior 276 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 9: a's Paul Ovinden, after a series of sexual explicit texts 277 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 9: and emails from twenty seventeen published by TV. From the 278 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 9: people I speak to and Labor, the level of exasperation 279 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 9: towards the Starmer project is at a current all time 280 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 9: high because the problem they see is they don't yet 281 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 9: see a way out of the sort of sudden collapse 282 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 9: in the polls over the past year and what the 283 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 9: turnaround plan is. And two weeks ago was supposed to 284 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 9: be the start of the comeback plan, it has been 285 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 9: derailed at quite an incredible pace. The question is is 286 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 9: the state visit by Donald Trump a further extension of 287 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 9: the recent negative domestic headlines or a chance to actually 288 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 9: be a good news story that's been in the works 289 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 9: for months, with good economic story to turn all around 290 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 9: the next three days and a very mercurial US president 291 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 9: will decide, Yeah, it's. 292 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: Going to be absolutely fascinating to understand where those US 293 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: deals are going to be in technology and nuclear power 294 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: and other parts. Thank you so much to James Walcock 295 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: are UK politics reporter. Stay with us. More from Bloomberg 296 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: Daybaquube coming up after this. 297 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: To Switzerland. Next to our lawmakers have voted against a 298 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: second attempt to delay stricter band capital quality rules. The 299 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: changes will lift UBS as capital requirements and are part 300 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: of bigger reforms which will see the Swiss lender set 301 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: aside some twenty six billion dollars more. That's left executives 302 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: of the bank considering options, including moving its headquarters out 303 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: of the country. Our Swiss finance reporter Milliam Balazoo joins 304 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: us now for more. Mariam, good morning. How significant first 305 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: of all are these changes in capital rules for UBS? 306 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 6: It is a big deal for UBS. It is actually 307 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 6: something that sort of is distracting the bank a little 308 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 6: bit at the moment, as the focusing on the integration 309 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 6: of pretty Swiss. So these changes, there's a bunch of 310 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 6: proposals that the government that the Swiss government has made. 311 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 6: I'd say, by far, the most significant part of this 312 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 6: proposed change is the measure that would require UBS to 313 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 6: increase the amount of capital held at a Swiss base 314 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 6: and main unit against potential losses at foreign units to 315 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 6: one hundred percent. So the government has sort of estimated 316 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 6: that this alone could increase UBS's capital requirement by as 317 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 6: much as twenty six billion. So higher capital requirements can 318 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 6: make a bank safer, that's for sure, and that's the 319 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 6: thought process. However, it can make it less profitable, and 320 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 6: that's where the concern lies for UBS. So it's a 321 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 6: bit of a conundrum because obviously the Swiss government wants 322 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 6: all of that risk to be deducted from the parents' capital, 323 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 6: the parents banks capital, meaning that UBS is already sort 324 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 6: of prepared to shoulder major losses should things go badly 325 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 6: or badly wrong any of its units worldwide or any 326 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 6: of its business divisions. So basically, the Swiss government wants 327 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 6: UBS to shoulder any of the costs should there be 328 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 6: an issue, and bear in minunit we've witnessed the collapse 329 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 6: of Pretty Swiss not so long ago, so it's still 330 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 6: very raw. 331 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: And in terms of what that means for CEO Sergio 332 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 2: Marti and the likely options that are now being considered 333 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: by UBS as this has been something of a long 334 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: running process. 335 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 6: What next, Yeah, that's a very interesting question. There's still 336 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 6: at the drawing board at the moment. They are looking 337 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 6: at variety of options, and everything sort of ranges from 338 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 6: some very sort of mundane technical exercise that we'd get 339 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 6: them to this amount. There's something called upstreaming where the 340 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:26,719 Speaker 6: company could also set aside some money each each quarter 341 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 6: and eventually get there because those proposal there and mind 342 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 6: this is a very lengthy process. It could take six 343 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 6: to eight years until it comes to fruition, so there's 344 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 6: time to sort of play around with technicalities to get 345 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 6: to that twenty six billion. There's also other kind of 346 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 6: financial tools such as s RTEs that the company is 347 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 6: looking at then. So these are the most sort of 348 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 6: smaller mundane ways to get to that amount, but there's 349 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 6: also ways that are a bit more radical that some 350 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 6: people within the company think should be explored, so we 351 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 6: looked at potentially spinning out some parts of the business 352 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 6: that are dragging the whole group, or even looking at MNA. 353 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 6: They need to bolster their presence in the US for instance, 354 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 6: in the longer run will bring them more capital, and 355 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 6: there is also obviously the option of simply relocating so 356 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 6: to go around the Swiss regulatory hurdles. So they were 357 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 6: looking at We had reported that a couple of months 358 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 6: ago that the company was looking at moving its headquarters 359 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 6: and then are looking at jurisdictions such as the US 360 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 6: for instance. But again from our reporting and our sources, 361 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 6: these are options that are not ideal for the bank, 362 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 6: that are not preferred either, same as shrinking. 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