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Speaker 1: And the Dallas Cowboy Cowboys Football's world headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Football and now your host, Isaiah stand back. He's Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Ringing live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at

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Speaker 1: forty eight days away from the start of the NFL season,

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Speaker 1: and it's a Cowboys training competition of talking Cowboys presented

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Speaker 1: by Geico here from Oxnard, California. It's the first show

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Speaker 1: we've done from out here at Cowboys Training Camp, presented

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Speaker 1: by him Errican Airlines, Rob Phillips, and Well, we were

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Speaker 1: supposed to get the bank, the band of brothers, the

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Speaker 1: gang back together. That has not happened, as Mickey Spagnola

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Speaker 1: will join us at some point throughout the course of

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Speaker 1: this this podcast, but I'm Kyle Yeoman's it'll be me

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Speaker 1: and Rob Phillips for a quick moment here. But this

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Speaker 1: is one way that camp gets underway. We're talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: You sent us a rundown for the show. Has mentioned

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Speaker 1: how many camps he's been to, like thirty five, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thirty five camps. We figure out the Dallas, California time difference,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's just let's get that settled here the

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Speaker 1: first week of camp. Mick, he'll be here. He'll be here,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he will. He may have a he may

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Speaker 1: have a scoop or something. You know. Yeah, it may

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Speaker 1: come back with a big scoop. Yeah, we can't make

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Speaker 1: fun of him too much because maybe that's what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's out there, he's talking with players. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: bring it back to us and we're gonna have plenty

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Speaker 1: of information to relay back to the Cowboys fans back home.

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Speaker 1: Or he was just on a Sunrise bike ride. Who

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Speaker 1: knows either way throughout California. But Rob, what what training

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Speaker 1: camp is this for you? Fifteen and all of them

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Speaker 1: happened to be Bill Parcel's first camp as Cowboys head coach.

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Speaker 1: But the majority out here and it is so nice

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Speaker 1: yell Philly. We're both wearing sleeves at the moment, and

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Speaker 1: of course this being nine am Pacific Coast time compared

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to get back over here and kind

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Speaker 1: of scoot in and get him here. This is professional radio.

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Speaker 1: This is fantastic, thirty five years of camp experience, everybody,

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Speaker 1: and this is Mickey Spagnola back on Talking Cowboys. Were

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Speaker 1: you just that excited to get back on this podcast?

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Speaker 1: All right? I almost wear that ship today too. I

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Speaker 1: was thinking that I needed to be back here by

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Speaker 1: I go, okay, I got twenty minutes, went to breakfast. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I forgot good thing you'd text me? Yeah, I thought

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Speaker 1: you're asleep. You didn't answer me. We've been riding for

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Speaker 1: an hour and a half. It was a sunrise bike ride.

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Speaker 1: What was your route? Where you go? We went down

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Speaker 1: Vineyard to the Oxnard Airport, took a ride and went

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Speaker 1: to the beach. Nice cool. I showed Alex the way.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm out of breath too, great talk Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: I am all right, absolutely. Now I will ask this question.

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Speaker 1: I was about to ask it to Rob a moment ago.

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Speaker 1: But throughout all of your training camps that you've been

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Speaker 1: a part of it, I've never been late for talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: There's one god, Um, I was gonna ask, has there

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Speaker 1: ever been a training camp that you've been around that

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Speaker 1: Maybe in and I got to remember where we were

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Speaker 1: remember that. Now eighty nine, there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: if if you're unvaccinated and and you create a breakout, um,

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Speaker 1: you know they're gonna find you. You're gonna forfeit games

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Speaker 1: and there's no more rescheduling. And so to me, that

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Speaker 1: if you don't, and the NFL PA has to sign

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one season. In before we headed a break, Mickey,

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Speaker 1: you wanted to talk a little bit more about defensive town. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were talking about defensive tackle. Rob brought it up

467
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Speaker 1: that McCartney. McCarthy said there's gonna be some competition there. Well, yeah,

468
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: because coming to training camp, I'm sitting there going, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who the starters are. Well, the first

470
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Speaker 1: two guys to go out, I believe it was uh

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Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore and uh Carlo Carlos Watkins Watkins Watson, I

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Speaker 1: keep want to call him Watson um and and stay

473
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Speaker 1: with the Shawn Watson in college. Yeah, and then and

474
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Speaker 1: on the Texans too. There you go, And that's that

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Speaker 1: was kind of okay, that's what they're thinking. I guess

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Speaker 1: now it's a matter of Okay, let's see let's see

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Speaker 1: what uh Brent Urban can do. Let's see what osa

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Speaker 1: Odigi Zua can do. Um and and there's and then

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00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: you got Bohannah in there, right, So that's gonna be

480
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: some serious competition. And I think that to me, that

481
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: position there kind of highlights everything on defense because I

482
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be a lot of competition for all

483
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: but maybe two or three starting spots. To me, Lawrence

484
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: as a starter, Gregory's a starter, digs as a starter, Okay, Okay.

485
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: Now the other corner, they got Anthony Brown there, but

486
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to play well to keep that spot.

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Speaker 1: And then the safeties, I think it's open. I don't

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I don't think anything's grandfathered into anybody.

489
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Speaker 1: And Samon linebacker. Now they're going out there you know,

490
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Speaker 1: when they're just two linebackers with Vander esh And and

491
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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. But how about this, I think I saw

492
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: an alignment out there with three linebackers at the same time.

493
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: There were a bunch of different snaps with that right,

494
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: and I saw it rotate. Barson's playing all three. I

495
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: think he was at least playing the strong side because

496
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,479
Speaker 1: he was out there covering in man on the tight end.

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00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: The majority, the majority of parts and snaps came off

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Speaker 1: the edge. He did play some at the mic. He's

499
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: did play some at the will. I think he played

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Speaker 1: more at the will than he did at the mic. Well,

501
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: he was playing. You saw him on the edge though

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Speaker 1: he was. There was three linebackers exactly, and and he

503
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: was either covering or they they they blitzed him from

504
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: the strong side. So his versatility I think creates huge

505
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: competition at that linebacker spot. And let's not forget Dabril

506
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: Cox either, by the way, uh so between those four

507
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Speaker 1: guys and then Coian O'Neill five who had a forced fumble, Yes,

508
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Speaker 1: right on Michael Gallop so but Mick, I think his

509
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Speaker 1: versatility is a good thing in terms of maybe opening

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Speaker 1: up snaps for everybody, no, because you can. You can.

511
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: He's a he's a Swiss army knife that you can

512
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: move around different spots. You guys are right. He plays everywhere.

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00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: I was watching the one on one there wasn't one

514
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Speaker 1: of the the ones. It was pass rush drills before they

515
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: got in teamwork with the offensive lineman defensive lineman. He's

516
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: on the edge rushing, he has this sick inside move

517
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Speaker 1: on I forget which tackle it was for a would

518
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: be sack, and then he's then you watch him in

519
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: team drills and he's dropping, covering tight ends and running backs.

520
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: He can do a lot of different things, and they're

521
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: putting a lot on his plate, but he can do

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Speaker 1: a lot of different would you You wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 1: if he was out there on special teams, would you?

524
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Speaker 1: I would not. In coverage, nothing would surprise me. I

525
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: think you know my job for him. I want him

526
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Speaker 1: to be the personal protector on the punt team because

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Speaker 1: I want to see him snap him the ball and

528
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Speaker 1: I want to see him run with the ball. One

529
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Speaker 1: thing you said that I might disagree with you on

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Speaker 1: the number of starters that I think are kind of

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Speaker 1: set in my mind. Anyway. On defense, I think Neville

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Speaker 1: Gallimore is a starter this year at defensive I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's a lock though. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's a lock, but I think that's what I think.

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Speaker 1: It's good enough to earn it. Yeah, but he's I

536
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Speaker 1: have to earn. He's got to earn it. But I

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Speaker 1: think they view him as as a maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: cornerstone hopefully going forward on defensive if he can keep

539
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Speaker 1: up what he did last year. To me, I think

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Speaker 1: Layton vander Esch health Willing is going to be a

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Speaker 1: starter at linebacker. I think he is. I think the

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Speaker 1: scheme change and going back to probably the will will

543
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Speaker 1: help him just kind of what he's used to doing.

544
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Speaker 1: And it's gonna be yeah, but it's gonna be interesting

545
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: with the linebacker spots. How they figure that out, how

546
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith fits in, How Michael He's gonna play a lot,

547
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: but how Michael Parsons fits in. And Neil's gonna play too.

548
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: He's there, he's at linebacker for a reason. For dan Quinn.

549
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Speaker 1: What about Donovan Wilson, why is he not being conversation

550
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: or said as a lock? I think he knows about

551
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: as good of a lock as a starter could be

552
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: at the safety's part. I think we have to see

553
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: it now coming into training. Can't remember he didn't do

554
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: anything those last few weeks in the off season workouts,

555
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: did not participate in OTA's wasn't really a big part

556
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: of the He wasn't in mini camp, and so that

557
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: was the first time we saw him on the field

558
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: and he did. But I think he's still got to

559
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: earn it because I don't think that you know, you know,

560
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: is Kazy gonna be the free We we got to

561
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: see that yesterday. Jay Ron Curse, who I didn't realize

562
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: was that tall, right, Uh, you know, I'm sure he's

563
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: not rolling over, especially after he earned some starting uh

564
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: games at Minnesota. So I think there's a lot of

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00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: competition there. Uh well, so yeah, I just think that

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00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: nobody better have two bad days in a row because

567
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: they may lose their rotation spot. So yeah, I think

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00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: the competition is great and we can go back to

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00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: where we started a defensive tackle. Yeah, let's go. I

570
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: want to see it. What was the biggest problem last

571
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: year stopping the run in that area too? Yeah, the interior,

572
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, allowing linebackers, not giving linebackers enough space, to

573
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: go make plays and they're just second level just on

574
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: him right away. That happened way too often in the

575
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: run game last year. Is that why you think Neville

576
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: Gallimore is going to be a cornerstone of the defense

577
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: is because of the run defense and what he could

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00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: do potentially sideline to sideline as compared to what they

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Speaker 1: had in the past with maybe an Antoine Woods and

580
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford. Yeah, I just yeah, stopping the run. But

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Speaker 1: I think he just you know, one thing, when I

582
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: talked to players at mini camp about you know, dan

583
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: Quinn style, they said, it's up the field, and it

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Speaker 1: kind of reminds you of what people said about Rod

585
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: Marinelli's scheme. We're gonna get up the field. We're gonna

586
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: be disruptive, and it's not just a matter of just

587
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: holding blocks and holding up lineman. And I think Nevill

588
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: Gallimore has a chance to be an explosive up the

589
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: field rusher to help this defense out. I think he

590
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: can really develop into that. We'll see, we'll see. But

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00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: he showed flashes of it last year. He did it

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Speaker 1: a little bit last year. He did it a lot

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Speaker 1: during his time in Norman. He did it a lot

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Speaker 1: for Oklahoma, and I think that was where some of

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00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: the intrigue came with him where they got him in

596
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: the third round last year. Yeah, and I think I

597
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: think though his his biggest problem at Oklahoma was the

598
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Speaker 1: fact that they were playing a three four sure and

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00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: he's not a three four defensive end, and that's what

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Speaker 1: they had being better play the three technique in a

601
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Speaker 1: four man line where he's not getting double teamed the

602
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: whole time, right, And if he is getting double team

603
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: then good luck. Who's ever blocking Randy Gregory right or

604
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence or Osa diggiz who or whoever ends up

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00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: being that other starter at defensive tackle. Now, you mentioned

606
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Speaker 1: Dan Quinn and some of the changes that he's made.

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Speaker 1: Have you, guys? Of course, you've been around a lot

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00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: longer than I have, and you've seen the Rod Marinelli days,

609
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: You've seen other defensive coordinators other than Mike Nolan. But

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00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: there feels like an energy. There feels like a tempo

611
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: from this defense. Even in practices that resemble OTAs and

612
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: minicamp sort of deals, it still felt like there was

613
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Speaker 1: an energy. Though yesterday, am I wrong in saying that?

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Speaker 1: Uh No? And the other word I use for The

615
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: impression I got of what he's done with this defense

616
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: is organized. They look organized. Everybody kind of seems to

617
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: understand what they're doing. I think yesterday and look, I'm

618
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: not charting every play. I think I saw. I might

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Speaker 1: have been sitting standing next to you. I saw one

620
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: busted coverage. Okay, last year that was their biggest problem

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Speaker 1: defensively to me. You know, it's one thing to get

622
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: beat physically, but to bust coverages the way they did

623
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Speaker 1: is inexcusable. And I think I only saw one. I

624
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Speaker 1: think I remember Kelvin Joseph, like everybody was in man

625
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: and he was playing zone. There was something wrong on

626
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: the right side. His guy ran wide open, ride a open.

627
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: Jerry was here, right, But but they seem organized, and

628
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: I see him talking and calling out like, hey, line up,

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Speaker 1: line up there, and that wasn't happening last year, So

630
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Speaker 1: good on him. Whatever they've done in the off season.

631
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Speaker 1: And I know they didn't have an off season last year, right,

632
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Speaker 1: And they tried to install too much defensively, way too

633
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Speaker 1: much without any offseason work over the computer. Yeah, and

634
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: then and then at three weeks the game and zooming

635
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: and no preseason, no preseason, right. I mean every team

636
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: dealt with that though, let's point that out. They had

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Speaker 1: but they but they all didn't have new defensive coordinators

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Speaker 1: and new defensive line coach and new linebacker coach, new

639
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Speaker 1: secondary coaches. I think the only one you can argue

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Speaker 1: had a successful year under those circumstances was probably Cleveland. Right. Yeah,

641
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Speaker 1: maybe Washington a little bit better. And I don't know

642
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Speaker 1: that their entire staff changed. You know, you never know

643
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Speaker 1: what what happened. You we see head coaches changed. When

644
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: the head coach has changed, usually the whole staff is changing.

645
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 1: And the majority of the defensive staff changed, right, those

646
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Speaker 1: two teams that you just mentioned, the personnel is better,

647
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: was better last year than it was year. It just

648
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: are you saying Washington's base or are you saying with

649
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: the injuries that the Cowboys deal with? Well, I'm both,

650
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: but I'm talking defensively. I think, you know, if Dan

651
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: Quinn's gonna happen a lot of success here, he's got

652
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: to have playmakers, and I think they're taking steps to

653
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Speaker 1: do that. And when they're at full strength, they do

654
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: have some playmakers on this defense. Um, but yeah, Mickey's right,

655
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Speaker 1: it's to me and I've said this on our show

656
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: all offseason. It's a it's about the communication and getting

657
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: guys to trust the scheme. And when you trust the scheme,

658
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: you play fast. That's what Joe Thomas, who's not here anymore,

659
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: he's in he was, but he said that mid season

660
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: last year, and it really stuck with me. That was

661
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: the biggest problem. Guys started to kind of settle in

662
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: by November December, and it was too late, you know,

663
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: at that point. But but I think dan Quinn's communication.

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Speaker 1: His former players talk about it. Demante Kazi had a

665
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: great story yesterday about when he did you hear that story, Mick.

666
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Speaker 1: When he first started in Atlanta playing for dan Quinn,

667
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: he had been a corner his whole life. Yes, yes,

668
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: So they move him to safety where you've got to

669
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Speaker 1: be the quarterback of the defense. You got to talk,

670
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: you gotta communicate, you gotta get people lined up. He

671
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: was hesitant to do that because usually at the corner, Hey,

672
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Speaker 1: you line up against your guy and your island, your man.

673
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: You play your island. Yeah, Rivas Island, right, but rob

674
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Speaker 1: Pie Island. H Yeah, there we go. That's the best.

675
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: Shout out to Heck and Isaiah. But um to get

676
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Speaker 1: him to communicate more. Dan Quinn miked him up hard

677
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: knocks style every practice, and they would go into his

678
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: office after practice and listen to what he said and

679
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: how he communicated in practice, and it helped him communicate

680
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: better as a safety. I mean, that is that's coaching,

681
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: that's teaching hands on approach. It's impressive. I want to

682
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: know where dan Quinn was when I started college to

683
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: teach me how to take notes. Tell that story right,

684
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: he's he did, spends ten minutes of their team meeting

685
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: defensively explaining to them how to how to take notes, Like,

686
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: you can't write down everything I say because you can't

687
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: keep up, So you got to learn to pick out

688
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: the important things and write them down. And I guarantee

689
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Speaker 1: you my first my first class in college was a

690
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Speaker 1: five hundred person lecture on American history. And I didn't

691
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Speaker 1: take notes in high school. You didn't take notes in

692
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: high school. We didn't. We didn't take notes in high school.

693
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Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I'm sitting there trying to

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Speaker 1: write all this stuff down, and then I'm you know,

695
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Speaker 1: it took me a year in classes like that to realize, Okay,

696
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Speaker 1: you got to read the stuff. Remember what he highlights

697
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Speaker 1: of what he told you, and then go back and

698
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: look at it again. And then when I got into

699
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: this business, and you know, no one was using tape

700
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Speaker 1: recorders back then, Um yeah, we had teletype two by

701
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Speaker 1: the way. Um you you learned to listen to what

702
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Speaker 1: the person was saying and kind of right down, and

703
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Speaker 1: you learned your own little shorthand on on words like

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Speaker 1: if somebody said something about through, well through means t

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Speaker 1: h are you you don't need the ou gh you know, uh?

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Speaker 1: And and but you learned how to take notes and

707
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: and that's what he was trying to explain to these guys.

708
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty interesting just watching him. And

709
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Speaker 1: again we'll see how you know. What's one other thing.

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Speaker 1: He used to be a teacher. I think he started

711
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: off in high school. Well maybe that's where it comes.

712
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: And he he was a teach. What that's what these

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Speaker 1: guys are, right. Sure, I don't coaches or teach. If

714
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Speaker 1: you're coaching, you're teaching, right. And I think he started

715
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Speaker 1: off in high school. I think I read and he

716
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Speaker 1: was actually had classes, not just p that's interesting. Well,

717
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: we'll see how it again, we will see how it

718
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Speaker 1: all comes together on the field. It's got to come

719
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: together on the field. But you watched dan Quinn on

720
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Speaker 1: the field in between series before drills. He's right in

721
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Speaker 1: the middle of of it, talking to guys. And I'll

722
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Speaker 1: just say that Mike Nolan has had a great career coaching,

723
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Speaker 1: but he was more detached. He was he was on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the field, talkie and you know,

725
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Speaker 1: he wasn't his hands on as dan Quinny. I think

726
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Speaker 1: given the situation they were in last year with the

727
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Speaker 1: restrictions and the lack of time on the field, they

728
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: probably needed more hands on defensive coordinator with the new scheme.

729
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Speaker 1: That's what dan Quinn does. But see, he what what

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Speaker 1: I think Mike's mistake was he he he made his

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Speaker 1: bones in the NFL before he became a coordinator and

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Speaker 1: a head coach as a linebacker coach. Sure, so I

733
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: thought he would spend all his time with the linebackers

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Speaker 1: and he didn't know, you know, he had, uh is

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Speaker 1: it Scott mccurly, Scott and George George he delegated and

736
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Speaker 1: and but but Mike did the kind of walk around thing. Yeah,

737
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: well dan Quinn ain't walking around. He's with the defensive line, right,

738
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Speaker 1: he's the defensive line coach basically, and that's kind of

739
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: what Mari and how Marinelli did it, right. Marinelli was

740
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Speaker 1: the coordinator, but he was the defensive line coach. And

741
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: so I think I think I liked Quinn's approach. I

742
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: like the fact that George Edwards looks like he's taken

743
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: over the linebacker spot. They bring in Joe Witt Junior

744
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: to help with the secondary um and that's a lot

745
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: of experience, right, because last year I'm gonna forget the

746
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Speaker 1: guy's name, he ended up getting the head coaching job

747
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: at Buffalo, New Yeah, and that was the first time

748
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: he had coached in the NFL too, So you had

749
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: a lot of inexperience helping out McCarthy. And hey, hey, look,

750
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: when when you get named the head coach, you don't

751
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: have carte blanche treatment to hire whoever you want. They

752
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: got to be available, yeah, right, And so I think

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Speaker 1: you know, it takes time, and Jason Garrett can tell

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00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: you this. You know, he inherited his staff basically when

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Speaker 1: he became head coach. But it takes time to get

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Speaker 1: I think it is refreshing as to what we've seen

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Speaker 1: that's fun Save it for Sunday. It's okay. Yeah, use

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Speaker 1: for saying thanks to me. I'm sure it's okay. Mikey.

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Speaker 1: We like having you back, so I wrote fans on

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Speaker 1: what he brought to the locker room and kind of

847
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 1: a mentor for DeMarcus Lawrence early in his career as

848
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: much as Sean Lee, because we've here about Sean Lee's

849
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: leadership all the time throughout his career. Yeah, I do

850
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: think there's a void there, but I think it can

851
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: be filled. I think there's guys that with their work ethic,

852
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, Layton vander Esh comes to mind, and there's

853
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: there's young guys coming up. I think DeMarcus Lawrence has

854
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: that too. In terms of just kind of his spirit

855
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: on the field. There's guys that can fill that void.

856
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy talked about that Mick at the press conference

857
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: that you don't have to be a veteran too, you

858
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: can be a rookie. I think Michael Parsons approach to

859
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: the game can rub off on people, even in his

860
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: first year at twenty two years old. So I think

861
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: there's guys who can step in. Layton Vanderish was on

862
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: his way to doing that last year, and then things

863
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: got derailed. First, there was no offseason, and so when

864
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: he got to training camp, he was much more vocal.

865
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: I thought he was much more opinionated in his press conferences, right,

866
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: and so, and they put him in the middle, So great,

867
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: you're the middle linebacker. You're gonna be more vocal, right

868
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: and was it one quarter into the season and he

869
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: breaks his collar bone. So now you're out four weeks

870
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: and by time you get your sea legs back underneath

871
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: you when you come back, it's basically you were out

872
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: six weeks. And and so it kind of derailed him

873
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: taking charge when you're out. Even for Sean Lee when

874
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: he was out, it was hard for him to speak

875
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: up a lot. Uh and then he gets hurt at

876
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: the end of the year. So I think you're right

877
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 1: on vander Esh. I like the sound of a couple

878
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: of the guys they've brought in that played for dan

879
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: Quinn for dan Quinn, And I was very impressed with

880
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: Demante Kaz yesterday. He looks like you know, he reminded

881
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: me of kind of looks like him too, Aaron Glenn

882
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: when Aaron Glenn was here, And Aaron Glenn was a

883
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 1: veteran guy that was a really good leader in that secondary.

884
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: And I think Keane O'Neill probably could fill in that

885
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: void also, So it's good to have some veteran guys

886
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: in there to help out with missing those two guys.

887
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to replace Sean Lee. John Lee there,

888
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: it replaced basically was a linebacker coach last year and

889
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: and so you you miss him. Uh. I like the

890
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: fact that George Edgwards is running the linebackers because that's

891
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: his deal. That's how he made his bones in the NFL,

892
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: going back to the linebackers, and that's how he became

893
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. Yeah, playing here, I've got I've got

894
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: two more questions. He's gonna be rapid fire. I'm gonna

895
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: start with Big Jay's question. He said, if you had

896
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: to pick one player on defense to make the Pro

897
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: Bowl this year, who would it be and why? Mickey

898
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, ooh, that's a bold statement. I'm okay with that,

899
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: rob aside from DeMarcus Lawrence. So I think he's done it.

900
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: He's he's a star when he's healthy. Um. I think

901
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: Layton Vanderesh can have a big ear this year. I

902
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: think he's got He says he doesn't have a chip

903
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: on his shoulder with the contract and all that, but oh,

904
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: he definitely does. He's got a chip on his shoulder

905
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: all the time. He kind of reminds me of Sean Lee.

906
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: Don we forget his rookie year. He was a Pro

907
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 1: Bowl Yeah right, yes, and in the first Pro Bowl

908
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: linebacker rookie linebacker for like forever. Yeah. So yeah, good,

909
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: good pick. But you know it's it's not you know,

910
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: he's had some bad luck. I agree with him. You know,

911
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: you break your collar bone, you step on somebody's foot,

912
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: and you twist your ankle. I don't think it's all, Oh,

913
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: he's just injury prone, but he's got to be able

914
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: to stay on the field to get comfortable. I think

915
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: he was on the field last year he didn't seem

916
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: as comfortable with his role. Well he changed, yeah, and

917
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: I think the production showed it. I think if he

918
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: can just stay on the field, I think Dan Quinn's

919
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: gonna put him in good spots to be successful. You

920
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: got a guy, uh yeah, I was gonna say Treyvon Dicks, Okay,

921
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 1: kind of change it up a little bit. I agree,

922
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence is there. I love the pick on Layton

923
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 1: vander Esch because I do think he will have a

924
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: bounce back year. And I'll tell you one guy. Don't

925
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: go to sleep on Randy Gregory. Yeah, I agree a

926
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: completely he can. He just looks spectacular. I know the pads, Yeah,

927
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: I gotta watch that, But just watch his pass rush,

928
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: his bend. He do you if they're in some pass

929
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: rush drills and they're in a line and he's up

930
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: first and tied Niseki's next, He'll go, yeah, you know,

931
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: my knee a little bit, I'll get the next one.

932
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get over here the helmet. Yeah, final question.

933
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: I do like that though. Man. The thought of Randy

934
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: Gregory and de Marcus Lawrence is exciting hard to tell early,

935
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: and this is from Chris By the right way, not

936
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: Chris Beam, even though he's doing great work. Chris would

937
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: like to ask questions. He could ask questions if he

938
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: wanted to hard to tell early. But with so much

939
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: emphasis on length and speed in the off season, was

940
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: there a noticeable difference there whenever we watched practice yesterday.

941
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: I think it's too too early to tell on that.

942
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: Except for the long arms of Sean Wright, Oh yeah, yeah,

943
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: length kind of helps him. Yeah yeah, he's got some

944
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: speed to him too, But I don't know who else

945
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: they added that has length like that, and Chauncey's out,

946
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: so Brent Urban does pretty much everybody they sign and

947
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: urbane human being. He is a huge six foot seven,

948
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds. He is a large human being that

949
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't show up until yeah, yeah, right, we

950
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: gotta wait on that thin and then and then just

951
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: the size of Bohannah. Yeah, he's pretty any he moves,

952
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't move like a guy that's six four three

953
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: thirty Um, so I'm being interested to see that. Yea.

954
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, that's Nate Newton's pet cat. He

955
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: wants to see more of Bohannah. As a matter of fact,

956
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: he wants him to force the coaches force him in

957
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: there to give him snaps because he thinks that big

958
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: body would create havoc in the middle. One other name,

959
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: not length, but speed. Kelvin Joseph is a guy we

960
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: didn't really see much in the off season, and he

961
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: made a play on the ball against I think it

962
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: was and I just think it's just a gut feeling

963
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: that I don't know if he's gonna be a starter

964
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: week one, but I do think his talent is going

965
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: to show up out here, and I do think he's

966
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: gonna play, and maybe he is a walking starter. But

967
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: even if he's not, I think we kind of forgot

968
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: about him because he wasn't on the field that much

969
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: and we saw Nashan Wright make all these plays. There's

970
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: a reason he was drafted in the second round in

971
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: speed and ball skills are the big reason why he

972
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: may be one of those guys that maybe Week five

973
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he shows up, yes, and

974
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: he may give him some opportunities to earn his spot.

975
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: Kind of reminds me when Kevin Smith came in as

976
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: a first round picked cornerback, and it was ninety one

977
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: ninety two and I Coult was the starter and Pop

978
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: didn't start until about eight ten games into the season.

979
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: But once he got out there, look out, he's taken

980
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: on Jared. He's baiting Jerry Rice. It's like young and

981
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: mind yourself, right, but he wouldn't back off, you know.

982
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: And but sometimes from a cornerback standpoint, it takes a

983
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: while to make that. You know, port Port tray Von Diggs,

984
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, day one starter, you're out there, buddy. We

985
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: got injuries, so we got no choice, right, and we

986
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: saw the growing pains. M I'll be interested to see

987
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: after those growing pains how much better he is after

988
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: an off season offseason workout. And he made some plays

989
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: against Michael Gallup yesterday. Again it's it's not pads and

990
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: all that stuff. But remember the top four corners all

991
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: missed at least one game last year. So they need

992
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph to be ready. They need Na Shawn Right

993
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: to be ready. It's possible both guys get starts this year,

994
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: depending on how injuries work out. So and you got

995
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: to have at least really four corners that you feel

996
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: good about in this Leagueuzier missed half the season. Yeah, um,

997
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 1: Big Game missed like four I think games. Joe Lewis

998
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: missed the opener, so yeah, yeah. Having all those guys

999
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: back and at least depth, I think that's what I'm

1000
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: most excited about is the fact that there is some death,

1001
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 1: not only in the cornerback room, but also a defensive line.

1002
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: We just named seven different defensive tackles and defensive ends

1003
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: that could make an impact this year, and they probably

1004
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: all can't make the team. Right, No, right, there's gonna

1005
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: be some odd men out. And I can't remember if

1006
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: I mentioned this in the In the press conference, Jerry

1007
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: mentioned that their top ten or or maybe as Stephen

1008
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 1: ten or eleven players paid, you know, they they got

1009
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: to get production from them, and last year we had

1010
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: a lot of injuries. So I went back and looked

1011
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: out out of the top salaries right now, the top eleven.

1012
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: If I look back to last year, eight of those

1013
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: guys miss seventy five games. Eight w seventy five games

1014
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: from your top paid players. That's bad. And we can

1015
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,240
Speaker 1: start with Daks. You got no games out of Layo Collins,

1016
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: You got two games out of Tyrn Smith, you got

1017
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: one game out of Blake Jarwin, who I think was eleventh.

1018
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: He was the eleventh highest paid player. Yeah, he didn't

1019
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: even finish. You can count it. You know, you lost

1020
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: games from vander esh uh, you lost six games from

1021
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, uh Dak's games. You eleven, missed a game

1022
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: from Zeke had one game he missed. So and if

1023
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: you take Zeke out, then it's seven guys missing seventy

1024
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: four games. Oh my gosh, it's an easy road to

1025
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 1: six and ten that way, right. Yeah, that's a lot

1026
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: of money you spent for I R can't make a

1027
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: ton of excuses, but that's one that it's blatant. I mean,

1028
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: that is a fact. That's not an excuse, that's a fact.

1029
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: Whenever you have your top eleven players missing that much time,

1030
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna affect you. But that's gonna do it for

1031
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: us here talking cowboys. Plenty more to come, Mick, glad

1032
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: have you been? When are we doing this again? Sunday? Okay? Yeah?

1033
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: Do you want to market the same time? Andine am

1034
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: right here. I'll set your alarm on your phone right now,

1035
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: and we and we start at nine just so we

1036
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: we are all get that underway. It's eleven o'clock Central

1037
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: time back in Texas. Will be back on Sunday, but

1038
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: until then for Rob Phillips, Mickey's Back, No Rom, Kyle

1039
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,560
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1040
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