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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You?

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Speaker 1: From house Stop Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline. Today's episode is

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Speaker 1: dedicated to one Molly Edmonds. Before she parted ways with

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Speaker 1: uh with Steffon Never Told You, she requested a very

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Speaker 1: specific topic, Vagina didn Tata. She recently watched the movie Teeth,

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Speaker 1: which I have yet to see. I know, I really

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Speaker 1: want to see it, um and she thought that for

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Speaker 1: any of you out there who have seen Teeth, she

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Speaker 1: said that it was an interesting take on not only

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Speaker 1: the myth of a Gina da tata, but also on

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Speaker 1: female sexual empowerment, so I really need to see. But

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Speaker 1: although she did warn that, like I think, inside of

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Speaker 1: the IMDb page or the Wikipedia page totally gives way

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Speaker 1: the entire plot lines, so don't don't look it up

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Speaker 1: that way. Uh So, of course, if Molly requests a podcast,

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Speaker 1: we gotta do it right doing it and we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about vagina dentata today because little did I

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Speaker 1: know that it is one of the most pervasive folklore

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Speaker 1: myths across the world. Yeah, it's been found in India,

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Speaker 1: Asia and Native American cultures. It's been found everywhere. And

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Speaker 1: I think I think that just goes to show that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have been afraid of women for

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Speaker 1: a very long time. Is female sexuality? This is the ultimate.

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Speaker 1: This episode really sums up the ultimate, um fear of

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Speaker 1: the unleashing of female sexuality and the of course the

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Speaker 1: castration anxiety that we'll get into. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a good one, Caroline, right, I know

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Speaker 1: we're going to cover a lot of ground. So where

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Speaker 1: where should we start? Um, Well, we can start with

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Speaker 1: some recounting of the myths. Oh yeah, we got a

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Speaker 1: lot of We got a lot of folklore and myths. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh. In nineteen nineteen, they were talking they've been

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Speaker 1: talking about vagina dentata for a long time. This is

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Speaker 1: not I mean it was, of course, it's it's taboo.

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Speaker 1: It's a taboo myth, but you know, they've been talking

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Speaker 1: about it for a while. In nineteen nineteen, the Journal

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Speaker 1: of American Folklore recounted the Chippewa myth of vagina dentata. Basically,

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Speaker 1: they start to have sex and he forces a stone

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Speaker 1: when he checked the stone he found snake teeth on it.

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Speaker 1: So naturally the elders of the tribe killed the girl

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Speaker 1: thing is this, like the snakes inside of vagina's comes

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Speaker 1: we should probably go ahead and say that translated from

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Speaker 1: that together, toothed toothed vagina um. And yeah, this this idea,

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Speaker 1: also related to Medusa. Right. A lot of researchers compare

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Speaker 1: the snakes on her head not only as little vagina

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Speaker 1: mean all hell will break loose for for men on earth. Chris,

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