1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,079 Speaker 1: R and B money. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 2: Honey, we are. 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: Thanks take volatility. We are the authorities on R and B. 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank and this is 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 3: truly the R and B money pocket. This is the 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 3: authority of all things. 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 4: R and B. 8 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: Yell like a motherfucker. You know what. 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 3: Let me, let me, let me switch, Let me switch 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: to a more prestigious tone, because we have tone and accent. Yes, 11 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 3: we have in the building. We have a master craft, 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: for sure. We have deity uh in the building. 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 4: His uh. 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: His work is biblical. It is etched in stone a 15 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 3: book of songs, just as the Ten Commandments that is 16 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: etched in stone. I speak of a man who spans 17 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 3: decades of R and B excellence. He sits on the 18 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: board of the R and B Elders Association. He is 19 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 3: a rule maker in all things that are decided in 20 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: terms of what R and B is and how R 21 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: and B lives. This man is cultivated farms of produce 22 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 3: that continue to serve and feed. 23 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: The R and B community. Ladies and gentlemen, we are talking. 24 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: None are then, His Excellency, Lord Troy Taylor. Wow, Lord, 25 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 3: I have never Taylor Lord himself. As you can tell 26 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: by the bed. That is a lord's beard. Thank you, brother, 27 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: Thank you. 28 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: For having me. 29 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 4: Welcome bro. 30 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Long time coming, Yes, sir, Yes, we've 31 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: been waiting on this. 32 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 33 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been waiting on it. Actually, we can't wait 34 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: to really talk the ship. 35 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, because because you know you 36 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: are truly like your wingspan in this ship is crazy. 37 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: It's deep, deep. We don't have to pause that. We're 38 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: gonna keep that. Oh yeah, technically okay, yeah, this fuck that, 39 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: it's real. So first of all, thank you for coming. 40 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: You are brother, you know what I'm saying, like your family, 41 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: so that that goes without saying you know what I'm saying. 42 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 3: But you know, we thank you for giving us your time, man, 43 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: and giving us the in depth of the things we 44 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: are all we're getting ready to talk about. Yes, I'm excited. 45 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Just you know, it's feeling good about myself today. 46 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: This is you know, not this is the Army Money podcast. 47 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: This is one of those moments where they are yes, 48 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 3: where you know, let's let's to destroy because you were 49 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: once a lad. You once a lad, and you were 50 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: once an aspiring lad. Yes, you aspire to be something 51 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: within your aspirations. There had to be some confirmation somewhere 52 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: as a as a young boy where someone said, ah, 53 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: it is on you, you have that keep pushing, or 54 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: where you identified at yourself and said, you know what, 55 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: I'm kind of that boy. 56 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: Definitely, Definitely, after church, we go over to the piano. 57 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: I'm like eleven, twelve ish, and I had this I 58 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: had this notion that the piano was easy, like it 59 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: seemed easy until I went over and hit the keys 60 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: and it wasn't easy. And at that point that's when 61 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: I it became a challenge. I want to learn. I 62 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: want to learn how to do this, because it's how 63 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: do they do And from there I just started off 64 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: like self talk, self taught. 65 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: And. 66 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: Just working it out. And then a couple of friends 67 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: would show me chords and I would work on those 68 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: chords and work on those chords until it was fluent. 69 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: And then basically through our high school just in bands, 70 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: you know, in groups and stuff like that. And then 71 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: at the end of high school, my music teacher, oh, no, 72 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: excuse me. My mom told me that I needed to 73 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: get a job or go to school. And I don't 74 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: like school. I don't know the idea of graduating and 75 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 2: going back to school was like, why would I do that? 76 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: I tried it. 77 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: So so so my music teacher, mister Bowie suggested because 78 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: I told him what my mom said, and he said, 79 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: I have this school in Harford that you should check out. 80 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: It's a two year program because. 81 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 4: You're from Connecticut. 82 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: I'm from New Haven, Connecticut. 83 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, jumping up to Hartford now, yeah, And it 84 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: was a two year program. So it's simple to two years, 85 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: get your diploma, and you out. So I thought that 86 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: was a great compromise. So my mom, Okay, I'll do 87 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: that because two years I'm done. 88 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: That's it for me. 89 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: But within that two years, that's when I it was 90 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: jazz and record jazz theory and record production, Jazz. 91 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Theory and re record production. 92 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: So in that school is where I would learn two 93 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: five to one. Once I heard what it sounded like, 94 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: I was able to, oh, that's what it's called. You know, 95 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 2: my whole life, I hear it. You hear it in 96 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: Steven Wonder. You hear it, You hear the turnarounds, but 97 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: you don't know what it's called. And then through that 98 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 2: going to school, I learned what the language four coord 99 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: the three chord, the six chord, the two you know, 100 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: and the record production. They were a little they were 101 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: a little behind on technology, so I didn't really learn 102 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: too much about that. I had already had my eight track, 103 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: you know, I was already ahead of them. But the 104 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: jazz theory is what clicked for me. And after that 105 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: I hit the streets. 106 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 4: Really, did you finish the two years? 107 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: I did finish the two years. 108 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: I graduated and then after it was after that that 109 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: I realized, oh no, no, this is what I want to do. 110 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: Of course, I was an artist first while in college. No, 111 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: I was an artist that all the way up to. 112 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: Twenty two. So after college, I was still in the group. 113 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: I was still in the group. When you get in 114 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: the group, I was in the group do our Hearts 115 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: I high school. What was the name of the group? Yeah, okay, 116 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: So the first group I was in was called Sweet Attraction. 117 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: Sweet Attraction. 118 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: Yes, that's absolutely armed, very very very arm b. 119 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 5: And then baby, very baby sweet attraction. 120 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 4: Think of sweet attraction like La and baby Face. 121 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: It was breed, it was curls ball was yeah, yeah, yeah, 122 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: I did that. 123 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: I from jail. 124 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: I had I had a little Jerry Carl yeah. 125 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 126 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: And then I was in a band too. I can't 127 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: think of the name of the band, guys don't kill Me. 128 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: I can't think of the name of the band, but it. 129 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Was just me. 130 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: I was a keyboardist and we had a bass, guitar, 131 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: guitar player, drummer. 132 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: Thing. I forget, uh the name of the group. 133 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: And then I was in my last group before I 134 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: went on my own, with Shamari. 135 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: That's the name of the group. 136 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 3: Yes, it was like. 137 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: Word, what does that mean? I don't remember. I know, 138 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: I know it's yes. I was in Shamari and just was. 139 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 4: Just in Africa so with somebody. 140 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 2: We've been waiting so so I got When I got 141 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: out of that, that's when I went on my own, 142 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: and being so anxious, I ended up signing this. 143 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: Record deal that was horrible. It was the horriblest deal 144 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: you could ever see, like a local records to New York. 145 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 4: Well, i'll tell your label, Indy. 146 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: It was an independent label. I'll tell you one thing 147 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: that made it so bad. I signed my publishing away 148 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: for the rest of my life. Sure what, that's how 149 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: bad it went ourpetuity period. I was anxious. I didn't 150 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: get an attorney to look at the deal because I 151 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: was anxious. I was twenty years old and I was 152 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: trying to leave. I was trying to get out of 153 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: New Haven. I was trying to. 154 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 4: And do you remember how much money they gave you 155 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 4: for this? 156 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: I don't remember. But it wasn't a lot of money. 157 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 2: It was a horrible deal. 158 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 4: It was just enough to get out. 159 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: It was enough to leave. I don't even remember getting paid. Actually, 160 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: I tell this story because I like to tell people 161 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 2: so that they can know being anxious is. 162 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: Not rushing bad place to make a decision. 163 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: Rushing being anxious and being like. 164 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: It's almost under your own drest right if you put 165 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 3: this pressure on yourself, Yes, you know what I mean, 166 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: you back yourself up against the wall in a sense 167 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: to where anything looks good to get off this wall 168 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: and to get out of this corner. 169 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Yeah. 170 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: So throughout my my teenage years, I did record stores. 171 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: I worked at record stores, and. 172 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, if I'm going to get 173 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: a job, I'd rather work at a record stores, keep 174 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: me close to music, but I will recredits all the time, 175 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: because you know. 176 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: That's a that's an art in itself. 177 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: Yes, And there would be one name that I would 178 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: always see that I would always see and it seemed 179 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: like every time I saw his name, it was attached 180 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: to something I liked. And his name was Timmy Register 181 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: m HM, and so that name always stuck in the 182 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: back of my head. So let's fast forward to this 183 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 2: record deal. I'm I'm signed to this label now and 184 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 2: they asked me for my single. Who did I want 185 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: to get to mix the single? I said Timmy Register, 186 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 2: not knowing that they would know him, and it said, hey, 187 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 2: get Timmy on the phone, like what what? So long 188 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 2: story short of course, fast forward, I'm going to meet 189 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: Timmy Register. I'm going to meet tim Registrate. So they 190 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 2: scheduled the mix. I think it was on a Monday. 191 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: I came up with this plan, this plan to play 192 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: three tracks, three beats that I did have songs to them, 193 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: but I won't play that. I'll play the music, hoping 194 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: that he will say where's the song. Then I would 195 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: say I have the songs, and then he would say 196 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: let me hear the songs, and I would say, I 197 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 2: don't have them with me, but I can come back. 198 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: To get a meeting. Well, that was in my head. 199 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: So through the mix, during the inter the break he 200 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 2: broke for to get something to eat for lunch, and 201 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: so when he went to the lounge, I asked him 202 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: if I could play him some more music. First of all, 203 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: I thanked him for, you know, doing the mix, and 204 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: I said, can I play some music? I had the 205 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: boombox you know, you know when that was with the 206 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: cassette that you know, And so he said yeah, he 207 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: was eating and I played him. 208 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: I gave him the cassette. 209 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: He put in. He got in the middle of the 210 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: second beat, and he was like, where's the song? So 211 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: I'll have songs todays. 212 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: Let me hear. 213 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 2: I don't have them, but I can, you know, I 214 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: definitely can come back. I can, you know. He was like, okay, 215 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: and you scheduled a meeting for Wednesday at Motown because 216 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: he worked at Motown. He was a Motown executive and 217 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: R did. 218 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: You not know this yet or you did know? 219 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 2: I did know, but I didn't pay attention to that 220 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: because I was just looking at the fact that this 221 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: is timmy register, whose name is on the back of 222 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: so many things at Motown, and I didn't think about that. 223 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: And so I came back Wednesday, took the train, came 224 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: back and UH had a bag full of cassettes and 225 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: I played him all my music. He got so into 226 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 2: the music and so into me as an artist that 227 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: he bought me out of that contract what and signed 228 00:12:59,320 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: me to Motown. 229 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 5: Wow, and and this and this turnaround for let's just 230 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 5: you know, said indie label. 231 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 4: How long was that? 232 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 2: It was only about It was a little under a 233 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: year because I wasn't on it long now during the 234 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: course of this horrible deal. The reason why I found 235 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: out how bad this deal was because at that time 236 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: I was working with who would then become my partner, 237 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: Charles for our m H. I met him at this 238 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: horrible label. He was just there using the phone. What 239 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: he was just there using the label to use the 240 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: phone and do meetings. He didn't use the phone, yeah, yeah, 241 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: because he would just go there to to you know, 242 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: have meetings and stuff just to use He knew the 243 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: people there, so he would just use the office phone 244 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: and you know meetings. 245 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's popping. 246 00:13:52,080 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 5: Yeah here it's new kid pulled out. We them so 247 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 5: so so so. 248 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: One of one of the persons that did actually work 249 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: there was his friend. That's how he you know, And 250 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: so it was him who has suggested to Charles, Hey, 251 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: why don't you have this kid who came up here, 252 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: you know, you should have him play keys for you. 253 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: And so Charles got my number and called me and 254 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: asked me to come to New York to do keyboard work. 255 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: I didn't really know him, but he paid me, so, 256 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: you know, and then I would do that a few 257 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: times before I realized, like, dude, what do you want? 258 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: What is it that you want? 259 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 4: But are you on Motown at this point? 260 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: Ya? I went back. 261 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: I went back a y'all. I went back on y'all 262 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 2: because I went back to how I got out of 263 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: the deal. And so by the time I ended up 264 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: signing that deal because I didn't know him enough. You know, 265 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: when we started working, it started becoming regular. I started 266 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 2: getting on the train a lot more, and so he 267 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: was the one that had the contract looked at, and 268 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: he was the one that told me how bad. 269 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: The deal was. 270 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: The that's how I found out. So in the course 271 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: of that we became the characters. And yeah, that's how 272 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 2: I introduced the characters. 273 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: Became the characters. 274 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: And so by the time Timmy signed me to Motown, 275 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: we were, you know, we were kind of together. 276 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: And he just bought you completely out. 277 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: He brought me completely out. I got my master's back, 278 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: I got my publishing back. 279 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: Everything. 280 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: Well, y'all know that was God. Nothing But yes, that 281 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: don't happen, not at all, not at all. 282 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: So the testimony of that and being anxious, rushing and 283 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: you make a mess, still, God can get you out 284 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: no matter how deep that is, because that's deep that 285 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: signed up. 286 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: The publishing was done. 287 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: It wasn't no reversion, reversions or revisions or nothing. 288 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: It was done. 289 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: It was like, because you know, you gotta get your 290 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: attorney to negotiate that, there was no attorney to negotiate nothing. 291 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: So my publisher was done. So yeah, gesus, I tell that. 292 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: Now I'm on motown the name why the characters? 293 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So. 294 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: When I was on that label, I was with a 295 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: rapper who I produced him. It was because of him 296 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: that we even got to that label in the first place. 297 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: I was the producer, but I had sang backgrounds on 298 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: a couple of his songs, and so they kept gravitating 299 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: towards the person singing. So that's how technically we both 300 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: got signed. And then we came up with I came 301 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: up with the name smooth characters. So when I got 302 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: out of that deal, both of us got out of 303 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: the deal, the rapper and I. When me and Charles 304 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 2: became the partners, I dropped this move and just said 305 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: the characters. 306 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: That's pretty much how it all began. 307 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: That's wow, because. 308 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: You know, of course my idols Jam and Lewis, l 309 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: A and Face Yeah, gambling huff. 310 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. 311 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 2: So that's that's that was the that was the vision. 312 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: That was the vision, and so that was the motivation. 313 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: So the characters I thought it was. I thought it 314 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: was you know, it rang, Yeah, it had a ring 315 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: to it. 316 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. I heard about y'all in church. 317 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was still in church, you know what I'm saying, 318 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 3: and just hearing about producers that was doing what they 319 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 3: were doing. Yeah, yeah, your name was was the characters? 320 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 4: The characters? 321 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that's what we want to be. 322 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: Lain, Face, yeah, Jam, Lewis, Yeah, gambling huff. 323 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: So what was your what was your first moment as 324 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: the characters? Now you're this this group, you're signing the Motown. 325 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: I'm signing the Motown and I'm working on my album. 326 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 5: You're working on your album, and are they letting you 327 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 5: guys do the album. 328 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: Yes, Timmy, Timmy was everything. Timmy was. 329 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: I've mentored and I still mentor a lot of people, 330 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 2: and people often ask me, Troy, have you ever had 331 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: a mentor? And I have to say, you know, Timmy 332 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: was my mentor. He was the one that taught me 333 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: song you know, how to make the song pop out, 334 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: the verses, pop out, the hook nah, change that change 335 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He was the one that 336 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: kind of like taught me how to make a good song, 337 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: what a format a good song. So I have to 338 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: say that that was then, and within that time he 339 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 2: already heard all my music. So he trusts me, so 340 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: he let me. He let me do the songs that 341 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: I wanted to do and make the album and everything. 342 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 5: So you made it full the album while you're there, 343 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 5: I was making the full album, okay. 344 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: And then he took some of my songs. Wat's this 345 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 2: and he had a meeting with Cheryl Busby who. 346 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: Was the president. Was the president already you already because 347 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: she was Jael Bobs. Yeah, So. 348 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: Gerald came in. Timmy played Gerald some of my songs 349 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: and Gerald took a pad, sat on the couch, kicked 350 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: the shoes off and he would write the names of 351 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 2: the songs down because they had groups and they have 352 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: people other artists. So if I'm not keeping it from 353 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: my self, who did a lot of songs, right, And 354 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: at that time, I did a lot of harmonies. I 355 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: was known like you listened to my music, it was 356 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: all harmonies. You thought it was a group anyway, but 357 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 2: it was all me. So that's what gave Timmy and 358 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: Gerald like, yo, these songs are yo you you know what? 359 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 360 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you did a list and it was this 361 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 2: two groups that they had signed there. So Gerald came 362 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: up with four songs for this group and four songs 363 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: for this group out of my kettle mm hmm yeah 364 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: for this and for this They had these kids that 365 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: were there for about a year or so and they 366 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: hadn't recorded yet. So Timmy told Gerald, like, this would 367 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: be good for these kids, and Gerald agreed, so he 368 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: wrote down the four songs. He worked down three songs. 369 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: The fourth song that Timmy played, I had to interrupt 370 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 2: and say, hey, this one's for me, this this is mine. 371 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 4: They can't can't You had your artist moment? 372 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 373 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: And he was making a cassette for Gerald at the time, so, 374 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 2: you know, so he had to rewind the tape to 375 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: take it off and put it and cover it with 376 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 2: another song. 377 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: And so that's what he did. 378 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: And so now it came time to meet these groups 379 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: and you know, to set up a meeting to work 380 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 2: with them. 381 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: So first came the kids. 382 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 2: The kids. The kids they did. Yeah, I would go 383 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 2: down and meet these kids. Came back to Motown. They 384 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: were in the conference room and it was four of them, 385 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 2: and the youngest one was fifteen, and then the other 386 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: one was sixteen, and then two of them were seventeen. 387 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: So I sat down and they were very excited and 388 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 2: they were telling me the songs that they really liked. 389 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 2: And the youngest one he said he liked a song, 390 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: but he didn't know the name of it. And so 391 00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, what. 392 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,719 Speaker 1: Do you what do you mean I didn't hear all 393 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: of it. I'm like, what do you mean? Didn't hear 394 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: all of it? Yeah, we just caught the end of it. 395 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: What is he talk like? 396 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: I didn't understand what he was talking about. I said, 397 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 2: did you remember any of the words? He's like it 398 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: was like your love or something like that. 399 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 3: I said, Oh, piece of the joint was still on. 400 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: They caught the end of it because the song that 401 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: they the song that they covered it with, it wasn't 402 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: long enough and so I was like, oh your love, Yeah, 403 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: that's that's from my album. And it went quiet a 404 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: it was kind of awkward. So I saying, hey, hey, 405 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: you guys sing sing something? And they sang. Now, I 406 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 2: tell this story a lot, but when I said, they 407 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: sang about seven or eight seconds, I mean it before 408 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: el oh, oh oh stop. Oh yeah that's and I 409 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: looked at the young this one. I said, you can 410 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: have the song, I swear to you. They just started singing. 411 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: Let me tell you what they sang. They sang, oh Mary, 412 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: don't you eat? 413 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 3: Take six. 414 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: I guess you could tell who I'm talking about. 415 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 4: That's my joint. 416 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: I was like, y'all can have a song. But they 417 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: were sitting there looking at me like because I interrupted them, 418 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: So they kind of was like, what's wrong. I was like, no, no, 419 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: y'all gotta kick you don't. 420 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm good. 421 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 2: And so they were like, one guy, one particular guys, 422 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: can we finish? 423 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: I said, sure, go ahead. They finished and they killed it. 424 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 2: I mean it was so god forsakenly great that I 425 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: really didn't need to hear anymore. But if you're gonna go, 426 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: go and do it. But I'm done, I'm ready. Like 427 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 2: and we went in and we did those. We did 428 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 2: four songs. 429 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: He listed to say a year later, these kids was 430 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: known all over the world as boys to men. You 431 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: rocket because you came up. 432 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 4: I mean like I came out the gate gate. 433 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 3: So your name is in every record company's rolodex. 434 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: That's how. 435 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: That's yeah, we need them, and that is getting up 436 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: from that and trying to take a moment to do 437 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 3: anything else. 438 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: It's just yeah. 439 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 4: So this motown. 440 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 5: Cuff y'all, do they say, hey, you know, we're gonna 441 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 5: kind of a sense make y'all staff producers, staff writers. 442 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: No, no, no, he didn't. He didn't do that. 443 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: But I will say I did work with a lot 444 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 2: of Motown artists, right. Timmy was he was just great man. 445 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: He was just great. 446 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 2: He didn't have have the mentality of if I'm gonna 447 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: do this for you, then you need to sign this. 448 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: He didn't have that mentality. He just he just he 449 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: was just straight up and wherever he needed to say, 450 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: you know, fix this or do this or that, Da 451 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 2: da da da, he just did it. 452 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't strings attached to it. 453 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 5: But he also understands, and I love that you said no, 454 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 5: it was no strings attached, because that, in turn is 455 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 5: actually the best attachment. 456 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 3: Yes when it's just good business. 457 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 4: Yes, when it's just good business. 458 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 5: And I can call you and say, hey, Troy, at 459 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 5: your height, of your height. 460 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 4: I need you. 461 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And how you treat people, I would learn 462 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 2: that over the years I had the and even to 463 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 2: this day, you know, I have a lot of I 464 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: have a lot of protegees and people like did you 465 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 2: sign him? 466 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: No? So so so so you you you working with them? 467 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 1: You da? And you sharing your platform? Da da d da? 468 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: Did you sign him? No? 469 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: Why we're working, We're working. Whatever we do, I'm gonna 470 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 2: get what I need to get. Why do I need 471 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 2: to sign them? And it was a point where I 472 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: did I've jeopardized that and I did go against, go 473 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: against what I know, and I did, you know, end 474 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: up signing some artists, I mean some artists and producers 475 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: and writers. So I did do it at one point, 476 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: but in the course of me doing it, it brought 477 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 2: me back to why I don't why. 478 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: I didn't do it? 479 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 2: I learned this so reminded me of why I do this. 480 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: There's so much, there's too much involved, Like and as 481 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: far as contracts, people look at it as sign this person. 482 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: You gotta be careful who you sign. You don't know 483 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 2: who you sign it. And it goes both ways. Some people 484 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 2: you don't want to sign and you don't know that 485 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 2: because because you don't know that. Yeah, and it's according 486 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: to the industry you're supposed to sign. 487 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: You better be careful who you signed. 488 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 2: The people are crazy and you don't know that you 489 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: signing a schizophrenic until they use the contract against you. 490 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: My contract says you you're supposed to do da da 491 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: da dah, and you didn't do that. 492 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: So what like, you still got work to do? You 493 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: why are you? 494 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 3: You're not even ready at that point of the contract. 495 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: You're even ready for this, but they you know, people 496 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 2: start talking to them. You should have gotten this, they 497 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 2: should have done this to you, but you're not ready. 498 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: No, but still you you you're old. You know you're 499 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: really old. 500 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: This So I'm like, what if I've worked with you 501 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: with no contracts, then I could take my time. If 502 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 2: you act silly, do something stupid, I can lay back 503 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: off you. I ain't got no contract to remind me 504 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: that you're my writer or my artist or and I 505 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: you know, so that's signing mentality. Nah, y'all can have that. 506 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 2: Miss me with that. There's a lot of attachments to that. 507 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 4: You're just going to do the work. Yeah, and you 508 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 4: get paid for your work, yes, sir, I respect that. 509 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: I started songbook not too long after. 510 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: Mister Songs got caught in the middle of this thing 511 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 2: because I met Trey through Charles. Charles went to high 512 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 2: school with Trey's stepdad. 513 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 514 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: So Trey's stepdad asks Charles if. 515 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 2: You could listen to my son. He says he wants 516 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 2: to sing. He raps, but he says he wants to sing. 517 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: And Charles, being you know, the business side of it, 518 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 2: like to send him to Troy. So Charles asked me 519 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: to do a favor and just say, can you listen 520 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 2: to Kenny's son, Man, just listen to him. Tell me 521 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: what you think. So I can tell Kenny, you know, 522 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 2: give him some advice something there. 523 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so. 524 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: This kid comes over, skinny kid, big head, big feet, skinny, skinny, 525 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: big big What was the chiefs? I think it was 526 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: a chiefs jersey or it was a it was a 527 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 2: you know, it was a hockey jersey. It's big and 528 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: he comes over on his bike and I'm looking outside. 529 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: Sad. 530 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: Really didn't want to do it, and so he comes down. 531 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: He comes downstairs, and so so you want to you 532 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: wanna you want to sing? He's like, yeah, yeah, he's 533 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 2: only fifteen, he said fourteen, but I think he was fifteen. 534 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: I said, okay, well sing something. 535 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: So he sang Donelle Jones where I Want to Be, 536 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 2: And he did a pretty good job. It was one 537 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 2: thing that I listened for. And y'all know exactly what 538 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: I'm talking about. You know, the longer someone sings, just 539 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: singing with no music or whatever, just stand there singing, 540 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: how they drift into another note paying attention up or 541 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: down because they're not paying attention. He didn't do that. 542 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: He stayed writing key the whole time. So that's the 543 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: first thing I noticed. 544 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: His tom was cool. So, okay, he's young. He don't 545 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: know what he's doing. So that's the thing. 546 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 2: He don't know what he's doing. He's just singing, so 547 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 2: we don't know. And you know what you can and 548 00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: I'm looking, I'm. 549 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: Looking, I'm listening to I'm like, okay, okay, so so 550 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: you you okay. 551 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 3: I can work with that. 552 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: It's August. He's about to go back to school. He 553 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: lived in Virginia. I lived in Jersey, and. 554 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: I reported back. I think I think he got something. 555 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: I think he got some. His mom called me screaming, oh. 556 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 6: My god, played me the song because I let him, 557 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 6: you know, I put the song on CD and let 558 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 6: him take it. 559 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: And she heard it and she said, what do I 560 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: have to do? Well? What does he what does he 561 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: need to do? 562 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: I said, oh, well, we just keep in touch, and 563 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 2: you know, school breaks or whatever. He can come back 564 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: and I'll continue to work with him. Get him a 565 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 2: Skytae pager so we can keep in touch. They had 566 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: a Skyteale pager in school. He's the only kid in 567 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 2: high school with a Skytale page. 568 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: You know. He ain't had it a two way pager. 569 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: So that's how we kept kept in touch. 570 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 4: And so. 571 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: The breaks he would come back. 572 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: He would come back during the breaks and stuff like 573 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 2: that and just hang out with me, go to the 574 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: studio with me, and then another break, and then the 575 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: summer he spent you know. 576 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 7: Uh. 577 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: His stepdad lived eight minutes away from me, So he 578 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 2: stayed with his stepdad for the summer and then he 579 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 2: would just come with me everywhere. And then he went 580 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 2: one year back to school again and he graduated and 581 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: his mom gave him approximately one year to apply to music. 582 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: So he had one year and within that year that's 583 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: where no before that, that's where I left where I 584 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: left characters. So he got caught right. 585 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: In the middle. And so me being loyal, I'm like, 586 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: you know what I met. 587 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: You through Charles. Stay with Charles. You know, I'll still 588 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: work with you, but you know, Charles could get you 589 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 2: a deal. I don't want to interrupt that. Besides, I 590 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: don't know what I'm doing. 591 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never been on my own before. 592 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing before. 593 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I I never stop at I never been on 594 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: my own, you know what I mean. I started with Charles, 595 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah what I mean. So I've never been by myself, 596 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: So I don't know. And you know, I'm in the 597 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: studio with my head down, like working. I don't know 598 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: nothing about I know the business, but I didn't have 599 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 2: to worry about that part. So as I as I'm gathering, 600 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 2: like what I want to do, who I want to be. 601 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: That's what songbook comes up. 602 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: You know. 603 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: Songbook is inspired by talking book Stevie Wonder being one 604 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: of my and so, yeah, that's how that started. And 605 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 2: once I realized what I wanted to do, he got 606 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: caught in the middle and he was given a deal, 607 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: an agreement or no. 608 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: No. 609 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: Charles made him a deal, like you do sixty songs 610 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: and then I'll start shopping you a deal. 611 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: And trade was only sixteen. 612 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: Sixty sixteen of sixteen Songska no, no, No, Trede was sixteen. 613 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 4: But he's he wanted sixty songs though. 614 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, if you do like sixty songs, then 615 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 2: we'll start shopping. 616 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: You a deal. Now, like dude, I keep it. Boy, 617 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: I don't even know. He's still know how to do 618 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: They don't even know how to make music. 619 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: So he would go in every day and he would 620 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 2: you know, he would do that, and then after he 621 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: would leave the studio because I don't I'm not there anymore. 622 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: He would come to my house and then we would 623 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 2: go bowling or movies, and you know, he would sit 624 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: and watch me work on music. I sang still and 625 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 2: did songs. Then I still wrote songs and demoed them. 626 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: That's how John Tay learned, That's how Carl Thomas learned, 627 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 2: and now Trey. 628 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: So they watched me. 629 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: I don't do that anymore, but you know, and so 630 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: during that time, it was like, I'm going to Carl 631 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: Thomas session. He's on his second album and I'm just visiting, 632 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: just chilling with him. And we were at a Electric 633 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: Lady studio downstairs and you know, when you go downstairs, 634 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: there's no signal. I come back up and all my 635 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: all the messages are coming in from what I didn't hear, 636 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: and there's a bunch of Trey songs messages. Yo, call me, man, 637 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 2: call me Lol, call me yo. 638 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, what's going on? 639 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 2: He's like, Yo, man, your boy kicked me out of 640 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: the studio. Tell me I can't come back. I was like, 641 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 2: what are you talking about? Yo? He said, I couldn't 642 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: come back to the studio no more. 643 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: I was like, what did you do? I ain't do nothing. 644 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: He said, do sixty songs. 645 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 2: I did, like sixty five songs, sixty two, sixty three songs. 646 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: So so I did what I was supposed to do, 647 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 2: and I just you know, didn't go in as much 648 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: and so he got mad because I didn't come in. 649 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: So he told me, you. 650 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: Know, it's real cold outside and it's mighty toasty in here. 651 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 2: I said, oh, he gave you the it's toasty in here. 652 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: He had his. He had his saying he had a 653 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: it's toasty. It's very cold out. 654 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: It's mighty cold out there, but it's nice and toasty 655 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: in here, and you're going to see how cold it 656 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: is out there. 657 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: That was his. 658 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: And when he said that to me, I was like, 659 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 2: oh yo, he said that to you, you messed up. 660 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 2: Nah nah, because now I don't have to go in. 661 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: He's laughing the whole time. I'm like, okay, okay, oh, okay, okang. 662 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 2: Because during the course of that, when I had to 663 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 2: sit down with his mom and tell him and his 664 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: mom that listen, I'm leaving the characters and I don't 665 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 2: know what I'm going to do yet, Trey wanted to 666 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: come with me, and his mom was like, well you know, 667 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 2: and I'm like yeah, no, no, no, no, I don't know 668 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do yet, and his mom was like, 669 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: you'll be fine, You'll be fine. 670 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 1: I wasn't confident. I really wasn't. 671 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,399 Speaker 2: And she's like no, but you'll be listen, you will 672 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: be fine, Like we can come with you and you'll 673 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 2: be fine. 674 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, just you know, because of how you met. 675 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 2: Me, just just he could still work with me. I 676 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 2: still work with him, no problem. But they believed that 677 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 2: I could do it before I believed that I could 678 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 2: do it on my own. So when it all came 679 00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 2: down to it, I said, you know what, trace team. 680 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 2: By this time, I said, you know what, I know 681 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 2: everybody he knows. What it did was it made me 682 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 2: raise my head up, It made me step up. 683 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: Now you got to play both roles. 684 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 2: Now I have to get up and look around and 685 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: make calls and exercise those relationships that I do know. 686 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: But it just didn't talk about that with them. I 687 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 2: talked about it and this is. 688 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 4: Just a different responsibility, Yes, totally. 689 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 2: And so I accepted that, and so I said, you 690 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 2: know what, dude, I got you don't worry about it. 691 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 2: So I did a ten song demo, straight up ten 692 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 2: song demo. And at that time, Delante got wind of 693 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 2: the characters breaking up, and so Delante wanted to have 694 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 2: a meeting with me. I didn't know him, know him. 695 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: I met him in passing. So I knew of him, 696 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 2: but he called me, so he did have my number 697 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 2: and he wanted to talk. And he felt like, you know, 698 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 2: I heard that you guys broke up, So you know, 699 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 2: I I like to, you know, help you out and 700 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 2: see if fucking you know, manage you. 701 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: Excuse me what? 702 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 2: He worked at foot locker on thirty fourth Street manage me. Yeah, no, 703 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 2: I feel like I can you know I can help out. 704 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't know. I 705 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 1: don't know. 706 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 2: I really wasn't sure. I didn't really, but he was confident, 707 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 2: and so I made him a deal. And long story short, 708 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 2: I said, Okay, anybody you introduced no anything you get that, 709 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 2: I already know. Anybody you take me to that I 710 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 2: already know fifteen percent. Anything you introduced me to me, 711 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 2: that's a new twenty percent that makes them, you know. 712 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: Deal. We never signed the deal. We never did a contract. 713 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 2: That was just our word, me and me and Charleston 714 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: never signed the contract. We just you know, I'm loyal 715 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 2: like that, dude. If I say I'm gonna do it, 716 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it. 717 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 3: Period. 718 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 2: And so Delante uh became my manager and while I 719 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 2: was making Trey's project. 720 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: I gave it to Delante to say, show me what 721 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: you could do. 722 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 2: And so he went out and started shopping the deals 723 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 2: and they they they we got We got back where 724 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 2: we got back on on on this young tray Is. 725 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 2: He sounded like a broke down mister sir. I want 726 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: to be mister sir. Those who who know mister sir is, 727 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 2: we don't need to say. And so it was like 728 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: funny because he was he's a big fan, so he's 729 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,439 Speaker 2: that problem with that, like. 730 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: That sounds up. That means I'm on, I'm doing good. 731 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: But they didn't think so. 732 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 2: And so it came all the way down to two 733 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 2: labels that were interested after everybody passed, Dave mcpherrison being 734 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 2: one of them that passed on it. And I said 735 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 2: him because you know, I had already had a relationship, 736 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 2: so you know, I'm gonna go back to my relationships. 737 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 2: And he didn't see it. He didn't get it, and 738 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 2: he felt like, you know, I actually took it to 739 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 2: him first, and this is cool. It's a cool boom. 740 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:20,479 Speaker 2: Dream Works, Brian Postell, Brian p and Atlantic Records. Those 741 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 2: it came down to them, and Brian was so cool man, 742 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: he was so cool. 743 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,479 Speaker 1: He really liked Trey. 744 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 2: He really genuinely saw the vision and he flew us out. 745 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 2: We had a great meeting, the whole staff, everything, everything 746 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 2: was there, and Trey was excited. So in Trey's mind, 747 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 2: he wants to go to dream Works and me and 748 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 2: Delantae are like, the money's good, but that deal is 749 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 2: needs to be worked on a little bit. 750 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 1: We need to but Atlantic wasn't as much money, but 751 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: the deal was good, yeah, the overall deal. 752 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 2: So Trey was still he was Brian Postell. He was 753 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 2: a fan of Brian Postel. He felt like, you know, 754 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 2: Brian gets it and Da da da Dame, and we 755 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,479 Speaker 2: understood that. But me and Delante were still like thinking 756 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 2: about the deal, and so we decided to pray and 757 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 2: fast on it. 758 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 3: Us three. 759 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: That's you know, you gotta go there. 760 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 2: You go there, and I remember being in La and 761 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 2: after that, I remember being La because me and Delante 762 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 2: we knew it needed to be Atlantic. We knew, but 763 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 2: we you know, he's the artist, so it's his career. 764 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 2: How are we going to convince him? He's really stuck 765 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 2: on going to DreamWorks? And so when we prayed him 766 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: fast about it, I remember walking down the street. 767 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: I was. 768 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 2: I was out here in La I was walking down 769 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 2: the street going to Tyle Records, and Delante called me 770 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 2: and he said, did you hear? I was like, here, 771 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 2: what They shut DreamWorks down the label department? So what 772 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 2: you mean the record label, the whole Steven Spielberg dissolved 773 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 2: the record company of DreamWorks. I was like, yo, he said, yes, 774 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,439 Speaker 2: how trade did that deal? 775 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: He'd be stuck. WHOA? 776 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 2: So I guess atlantic it is right, and Mike Karen 777 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 2: Delante sent it to Mike Karen. Mike Karen heard it 778 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 2: and he got it. He understood what it was. 779 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: He brought it to Craig. Now I was. 780 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 2: I knew Craig for years. I didn't know Mike, but 781 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,439 Speaker 2: it was Mike's signing. And so by the time Craig 782 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 2: found out that this kid was my artist, it all 783 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 2: came together because this whole staff Ronnie Johnson rest in Peace, 784 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 2: moo Landy morrise landy Uh, they all got into it. 785 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 2: They all was the staff, Deanni, they all all into it. 786 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 2: And so by the time Craig came in the whole, 787 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 2: he saw his whole staff was already close. And yeah, 788 00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 2: it was already rocking, and so we went on with it, 789 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 2: and that's how it all all began. 790 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 6: Yeah, Atlantic Records, Atlantic Records. Mister Karen, now you have 791 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 6: some you know, you had a little, you know, a 792 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 6: little turmoil up there. Yes, wasn't It wasn't easy. 793 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 3: No, no, Yeah. 794 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: My relationship was with Craig. I know, R and B. 795 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is this is two thousand, two 796 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 2: thousand and two. Yeah, this is two thousand and three. 797 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 2: By the time Trey got his deal with two thousand 798 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 2: and three, I know what I'm doing. I don't need 799 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 2: to be told how to make a song R and 800 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:44,280 Speaker 2: B somewhere. 801 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: I could do this whole project. I mean, I did 802 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: the whole demo. That's what got you into it. What's 803 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,919 Speaker 1: what's the problem? Some reason I'm fighting. 804 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 2: How to make an album R and B album with somebody. 805 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 2: I didn't feel R B was R and B not 806 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 2: to me anyway, you know, not better than me, bye bye. 807 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 2: But but but but he was the powers that be 808 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 2: and I had to do, you know, keep peace and 809 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 2: keep it going because it's not my career at the 810 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 2: end of the day. 811 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 3: And so it was. 812 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 1: It was. It was rough, It was rough, It was rough. 813 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: Gotta Go. 814 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 2: Was done and inspired by you Don't Have You Don't 815 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 2: You Don't Know My Name that was out at that time. Again, 816 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 2: you can if you're a DJ, you can mix that too. 817 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard it absolutely, the sample, the whole thing. 818 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 7: Uh. 819 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: Cheat on You. That was inspired by You're Gonna want 820 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,000 Speaker 1: to throw Back? Mm hmm, I should throw back? That 821 00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:58,720 Speaker 1: was inspired. 822 00:42:59,080 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 4: Now. 823 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 2: I did all those songs while those songs were fresh. 824 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 2: The project didn't come out to two years later, so 825 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 2: Gotta Go all these songs they sounded dated, and so 826 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 2: everybody was like, Oh, Troy's gonna mess that boy's career up. 827 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,319 Speaker 1: He got him sounding old. I'm like the album was done. 828 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 4: It was, it could have, but it wasn't moving that fast. 829 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 2: I was battling. I was battling this person who is 830 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 2: challenging me to do something that I do in my sleep. 831 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: I didn't understand. Like we were good. 832 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 4: And then. 833 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: As we were just about that, we just got the 834 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: release date. Oh yeah, Craig decided to sign Baby Grime me. 835 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we had to swap dates with them 836 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,080 Speaker 2: because they had the song was already on the radio. 837 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:59,760 Speaker 1: Was going cracking, It was cracking. It was it was cracking. 838 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 2: So Craig asked me to if we could swap the 839 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 2: dates and so, because they're ready. 840 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: And you guys are not, and I felt like where 841 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: we are? Yeah, man, you know, but we. 842 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 2: Swapped the dates and and Delante came up with the 843 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 2: uh just got to make it uh video, which was 844 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 2: genius Trey's video of him, you know, not wanting to 845 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 2: go into work and just you know, going to the. 846 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: Back of the barbershop and work on music. 847 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 2: I'd be the executive that would call and that, you know, 848 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 2: give him the record deal and everything that was it 849 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,920 Speaker 2: was it became an icond of kind of for the 850 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,320 Speaker 2: culture kind of an album U and that video pretty 851 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 2: much became I'm the I'm the. 852 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 1: Record executive that called him. 853 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 2: A lot of people didn't notice because I got two 854 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:53,479 Speaker 2: flashes quick quick, but it worked. It worked, It worked, 855 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 2: and needless to say, it got a little even more 856 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 2: rough the second album because then. 857 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: The new people came in. The new people came in, 858 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: and so. 859 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 2: Then it's like I had to play another politic political 860 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,240 Speaker 2: game with that album. 861 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 3: Those regime regime changes, yes, it can be. It can 862 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 3: be the death of those already pre existing deals and 863 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 3: artists and agreements. We had a like when a new 864 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 3: coach comes in, Yes, yeah every time with a new 865 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 3: plan and you were getting playing time with this new coach. 866 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,320 Speaker 1: We had a system. 867 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 2: We had a system, uh Me, Delonte, Bob Fish, we 868 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 2: had a system. When Trey did his mixtapes, Bob Fish 869 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 2: hit the streets, he knew exactly what to do with it, 870 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 2: and Delonte be and him, and it was like a 871 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 2: thing whereas once the music, once I say the music 872 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 2: is ready, and once me and Trey are done with 873 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 2: what we want to do, I then put it into. 874 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: It's like a relay with the race. 875 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 2: Put it in, and then Delante goes and and him 876 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 2: and Bob Fish and they come up with a plan 877 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 2: or do it to take it to the you know. 878 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: And we had that system and it was good. 879 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 3: It was good. 880 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 2: It was good until the powers that be came and 881 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 2: then they didn't understand what we were doing. The R 882 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 2: and B kid doing mixtapes. The rappers do that, you know, 883 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 2: R and B don't do that. And it was it 884 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 2: was something that Trey he really had down pack. He 885 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,760 Speaker 2: knew what he was doing when it came to the mixtapes. 886 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: And so. 887 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,839 Speaker 2: Came to that third album though, even though I can't 888 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 2: skip over the fact that, you know, when when John 889 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 2: Tay came in with that can't help but wait, yeah 890 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:27,840 Speaker 2: it's a joint. 891 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. Now I always say this, Trey listened 892 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: to everything that I said to do. He never argued 893 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: with me. I never had to yell. 894 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 2: And remember how hard I said I was on people, 895 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 2: never had to be hard on Trey ever, because he 896 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,280 Speaker 2: trusted anything I said and he did everything. 897 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,799 Speaker 1: I said to do up until this point. 898 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,360 Speaker 2: He was mad because they said they were going to 899 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 2: really push Wonder Woman. Remember he raps and he really 900 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 2: believed in that record, and he felt like, yo, you 901 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 2: said you were going to push this record. 902 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: Well, the record wasn't doing too well. Well. 903 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 2: It was weird because it was kind of like dated 904 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 2: because Danger Hands did it, and he was this is 905 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:16,840 Speaker 2: Danger Hands without Timberling, so that that pocket wasn't going anymore. 906 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 2: So it was kind of hard to mix the record 907 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 2: in with other records because it wasn't and so was stalling, 908 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 2: and so we had to we had to do something else. 909 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,879 Speaker 2: We had to get something going because it wasn't looking 910 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,360 Speaker 2: too good and that John te came with that record, 911 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 2: did you. 912 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: Produce no stargate so so so so so. 913 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,600 Speaker 2: The Latte called me, what you think? Oh, it's crazy, 914 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 2: it's crazy. Good luck with a with A with Trey. 915 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,759 Speaker 1: Uh, well you don't think he gonna like it? Oh no, 916 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,480 Speaker 1: he gonna like it. He gonna love it. But he 917 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: ain't doing it. 918 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,799 Speaker 2: Why he's not because, dude, man, he still he still 919 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,320 Speaker 2: messed up on that promise they promised him. They promise 920 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 2: that he would do to get that wonder woman. And 921 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 2: then he knows that if he puts his voice on this, 922 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,280 Speaker 2: that's going to give them a reason yeah. 923 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: To not do. 924 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, they promised stronger, what's gonna work? 925 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 3: He did? 926 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 4: And then he went on Twitter. 927 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 8: The mm. 928 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,399 Speaker 1: Thank you for your one on my facet songs. Yes, 929 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 1: that's a crack. People don't understand the lyrics. The lyrics. 930 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,279 Speaker 3: I took a dollar bill into the booth, Yes, and 931 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 3: I told you no, I told the dollar bill to 932 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,880 Speaker 3: sing through me. Yes, don't understand, tell me, tell me 933 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,480 Speaker 3: what you've been through. Yes, I told the dollar bill 934 00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 3: to tell me. 935 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: Tell your story. Don't tell your story. They don't get 936 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,239 Speaker 1: to tell your story. They missed it. 937 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 3: They missed they missed it. 938 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: They missed it. That was too deep. It was too deep. 939 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 4: It had been between some cheeks somewhere exactly. 940 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 5: I need to know exactly what cheeks. Hey, listen, kids, 941 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 5: you get money, watch it first. Don't touch your face 942 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,239 Speaker 5: after you touched that. 943 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 4: You don't know where it's been. 944 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,800 Speaker 1: Thank you for lost it all. 945 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,240 Speaker 3: You know. And in your travels and your journeys throughout 946 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:53,840 Speaker 3: the animals of time, you've studied, You've curated lot of 947 00:49:53,960 --> 00:50:00,439 Speaker 3: army music, and somewhere, I'm sure you've figured out your HM. 948 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 1: Top five, your top five, top five. You're top five 949 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:16,279 Speaker 1: on the. 950 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 2: Doll ma you so. 951 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 3: Tt you. I know that you have I know that 952 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 3: you see. 953 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:40,800 Speaker 1: I know you know this party your top Yeah, yeah, sack. 954 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:47,880 Speaker 3: Your chop. 955 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: Top five. Okay, all right, it's on. 956 00:50:58,719 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 4: It's a. 957 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: Top five, true Taylor. We want to know. 958 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,320 Speaker 3: Your top five R and B singers. 959 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:25,439 Speaker 2: My top five singers goes as such, Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, Wow, 960 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 2: Marvin Winings, Kim Burrell mm hmm, and Karen Carpenter. 961 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,319 Speaker 1: Oh, and I have reasons for each one. 962 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 3: You don't have to you don't have to tell nobody nothing. 963 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, you know, I'm a teacher. Until 964 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,360 Speaker 1: nobody ship. Yeah, your top five R and B songs. 965 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: This is tough. 966 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 2: This is definitely tough because again I have many, many, 967 00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,319 Speaker 2: many many, but I have to go as the ones 968 00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 2: that uh inflected my life or affected my life. And 969 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,760 Speaker 2: you and I Stevie wonder mm hmmm. 970 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,080 Speaker 3: What a song. 971 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: That's a craft of a song. What a song. And 972 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna I'm gonna. 973 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:19,919 Speaker 2: Twist it over here and go. I wish I could share. 974 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,320 Speaker 2: I wish this too could share because it's the same artists. 975 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,359 Speaker 2: If it could, it would be question is slash, ain't 976 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 2: no need to worry? It's still under Marvin Wine. It's 977 00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 2: you know, yes, yes, So that's that's the one. 978 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 3: Just sing that as a group as a kid. 979 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, question is, and it ain't no need to worry? 980 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, okay, all right. For the love 981 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 2: of you the Isley Brothers. Ron's voice is golden. I'm 982 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 2: gonna have to change up a little bit on your 983 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 2: your format because this one is rain danced by Jeff Flober. 984 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,719 Speaker 1: There's no vocals, It's just a jazz record. Groove me yeah, 985 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:11,880 Speaker 1: Teddy Yeah. Shout out to the shoulders his viral shoulders 986 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 1: on groove me. I gotta say that because. 987 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,239 Speaker 4: Hall Brothers, Man, this is my guy. 988 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 1: Grove Me changed everything for me. Man, he changed everything 989 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,600 Speaker 1: for me because that was like Google. 990 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,480 Speaker 2: It made your face crinkle all the way up and 991 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,239 Speaker 2: it's just so those those are there was a part 992 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 2: of mine. 993 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,759 Speaker 1: I gotta say that because it's I go deep. 994 00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,800 Speaker 4: Where is I think we asked that before? 995 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,600 Speaker 5: And I just I just want to know though, is 996 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 5: is Aaron Hall the first person to really sing like 997 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,800 Speaker 5: hard hard sing up temples? 998 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:57,440 Speaker 3: Who Charlie Wilson, Yeah, yeah, volt tr on time. We're 999 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 3: gonna build your perfect R and B artists. Okay, I 1000 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,640 Speaker 3: want to know. I want to know where you get 1001 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,440 Speaker 3: the vocal from for this artist, Where you get the 1002 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,320 Speaker 3: performance style for this artist, where you get the styling 1003 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,040 Speaker 3: for this artist, and where you get the passion for 1004 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 3: this artist artist? And I'm gonna throw a wrinkle in 1005 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,279 Speaker 3: that for you. I'm gonna throw a wrinkle in that 1006 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 3: for him. And who produces and writes for this art Like, okay, 1007 00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,000 Speaker 3: so who you getting a vocal from? 1008 00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:27,359 Speaker 4: Now? 1009 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,880 Speaker 1: The question is is the artist a male artist, a 1010 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,240 Speaker 1: female artists? Whatever you want the artist, It's a hybrid, 1011 00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 1: Ain't no question it's a like a mix. 1012 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,799 Speaker 3: Whatever you want get the vocals, getting the vocal from 1013 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,640 Speaker 3: I'm getting what's the artist that got that vocal? 1014 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:49,520 Speaker 4: Vocal? 1015 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:51,640 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 1016 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 2: The vocal I'm getting from Beyonce ship. People do not 1017 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,400 Speaker 2: recognize the beast that she is. 1018 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:05,360 Speaker 1: They don't. No, I argue with people online all the 1019 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,680 Speaker 1: time doing that. 1020 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 8: Again, why are you arguing with those people? Because some 1021 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 8: things need to be talked about and fought for. Executioner 1022 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,200 Speaker 8: what Beyonce? You should not be listening to me. 1023 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 3: Somebody should cut your ears off and solder your ear 1024 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,240 Speaker 3: drums if you can't hear what Beyonce is vocally. 1025 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: Performance. 1026 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:37,719 Speaker 2: The performance I'm gonna get taken from Michael. I'm gonna 1027 00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 2: take it from Michael on that you're going Beyonce vocal 1028 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:47,160 Speaker 2: Michael performing. I'm gonna take the finesse and charisma, finesse 1029 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,839 Speaker 2: and charisma of Usher mm hmm. 1030 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 3: Who you're getting the styling from the drip. 1031 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,839 Speaker 1: I'm going to take the drip. 1032 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,120 Speaker 2: Of Pharrell, the passion of the artist, the heart of 1033 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,839 Speaker 2: the artist, the heart of an artist. I'm still I'm 1034 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,319 Speaker 2: still can I you can double It's gonna be. It's 1035 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,200 Speaker 2: gonna be Michael. It's gonna be Michael again because Michael 1036 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,920 Speaker 2: and that passion and that heart when it came to music, 1037 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:16,400 Speaker 2: you ain't messing with that. 1038 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm sorry. 1039 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:29,440 Speaker 7: I ain't saying no name, saying no names. Saying no names. 1040 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:39,879 Speaker 7: What you did, and I ain't saying no name. 1041 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 4: That nigga had energy, but he came back perfegetting you 1042 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:55,840 Speaker 4: for this segment. 1043 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,120 Speaker 5: Talk to him this segment. I ain't saying no name. 1044 00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,160 Speaker 5: Tell us a story, funny and fucked up. Funny and 1045 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,439 Speaker 5: fucked up. The only rule to the game. She can't 1046 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:17,680 Speaker 5: say no name. So right now, this is Troy Taylor 1047 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 5: the song book himself. As you could see chapters to 1048 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 5: this day chapters. The only difference in this book is 1049 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,120 Speaker 5: you can't say no name. Troy Taylor. 1050 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:53,680 Speaker 1: It was his time that I did a record. 1051 00:57:55,240 --> 00:58:02,560 Speaker 2: And pitched it to a movie for a movie on 1052 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 2: a soundtrack. This might not be juicy enough, but. 1053 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:13,360 Speaker 1: And we got it. But I ain't saying no names. 1054 00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,160 Speaker 1: Someone came in. 1055 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 2: Replaced that record, my record with another record. Even though 1056 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 2: I was the one that brought the situation to the situation. 1057 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,800 Speaker 2: They used that and replaced the record with the record 1058 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,520 Speaker 2: they wanted to do it with, and I never got it. 1059 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 2: That's one I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying 1060 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:42,080 Speaker 2: no names. 1061 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 3: But I was. 1062 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,440 Speaker 1: In the hallway. 1063 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 2: Of No No, No, No No, not the hallway. It 1064 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,160 Speaker 2: was a time where I was in the studio. I 1065 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:05,960 Speaker 2: was asked to remix this record, reproduce the record. The 1066 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 2: artists knew that it was being done, so I felt 1067 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,720 Speaker 2: like I did a version that was good enough for 1068 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 2: what it needed to be. 1069 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:16,360 Speaker 1: But this artist came in. 1070 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:22,840 Speaker 2: But the worst attitude ever did not cooperate at all, 1071 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:29,760 Speaker 2: totally was being a dick. I got it done, however, 1072 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 2: I had to put it together because they didn't want 1073 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,520 Speaker 2: to give me the additional vocals I needed. 1074 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,360 Speaker 1: That same person who I then saw in the hallway. 1075 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,600 Speaker 2: Of award show I ain't saying no names, saw me, 1076 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,000 Speaker 2: and because that happened, I didn't speak to him. He 1077 00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:02,640 Speaker 2: called my name and I ignored him because of that moment. 1078 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:10,720 Speaker 2: And then that same artist saw me again somewhere and 1079 01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,760 Speaker 2: I got a chance to tell him. 1080 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 1: The dick that he was for what he did? Is 1081 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 1: that good enough? Really? 1082 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:24,400 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1083 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,520 Speaker 2: You would never know who it is. Yeah, I don't 1084 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,480 Speaker 2: care what nobody say. You will never figure it out 1085 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,080 Speaker 2: and would ever figure it out because even if I 1086 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,080 Speaker 2: even saying him, you still wouldn't know who was because 1087 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,400 Speaker 2: then you think you had it. You would not believe 1088 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 2: this person, how they treated you, how they treated me. 1089 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, nah, not cool, last but not least. Okay. 1090 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:53,480 Speaker 2: I ain't saying no names, but I produced this artist. 1091 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to say that because I want to say 1092 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:04,840 Speaker 2: iconic artist. She's iconic artists. I was asked to reproduce 1093 01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:10,520 Speaker 2: the vocals on this artist. I did an amazing job. 1094 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,720 Speaker 2: I know that I did an amazing job. The record 1095 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:23,640 Speaker 2: got voted for Grammy Best Grammy A Best Traditional Vocals 1096 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:32,400 Speaker 2: by a Female got nominated. The producer of that record 1097 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:38,880 Speaker 2: was mad at me for doing this song and it 1098 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,760 Speaker 2: working because the producer didn't want it for that artist, 1099 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,840 Speaker 2: so he was mad at me for going in and 1100 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 2: executing it. But when that artist got nominated for Grammy 1101 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:03,760 Speaker 2: and one, I never spoke to that producer to say, now, what, nigga. 1102 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:12,320 Speaker 2: That producer went on to act like celebrated, as if 1103 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,360 Speaker 2: they were down for it all along. After it won, 1104 01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:23,640 Speaker 2: we never talked. I ain't saying no names, but the 1105 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,480 Speaker 2: only name I'm saying is a Grammy. 1106 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,320 Speaker 3: We got three guys. I don't know if this is 1107 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,760 Speaker 3: the first three. I ain't saying no names. 1108 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:36,320 Speaker 2: I just had to do that because I had, you know. Yeah, 1109 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 2: this is through the life of Troy Taylor. There's a 1110 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,600 Speaker 2: lot of like eighty two more. 1111 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,320 Speaker 1: This game is terrible, y'all. 1112 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,960 Speaker 2: I have been blessed to last and sustain myself through 1113 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,840 Speaker 2: the grace of God because it's no joke, not joke 1114 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,440 Speaker 2: at all, and I don't it's not for the it's 1115 01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,320 Speaker 2: not for the week at all, for the week, for 1116 01:02:59,440 --> 01:02:59,920 Speaker 2: the week at all. 1117 01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:09,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, brother Troy Taylor, Troy Taylor University, Uh, songbook elder, scholar, theologian. 1118 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're you're you're him. I appreciate that. 1119 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 3: We appreciate your We appreciate your greatness, We appreciate your 1120 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:30,160 Speaker 3: your dedication to the craft, maintaining a standard yes of excellence, 1121 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:45,280 Speaker 3: which I pray will infiltrate everything that's done within our 1122 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:52,280 Speaker 3: black entertainment community, that that excellence will be Uh what 1123 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:53,120 Speaker 3: do they say. 1124 01:03:54,800 --> 01:04:01,480 Speaker 1: When you catch it like a flu or contagious contagious. 1125 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,440 Speaker 3: Pray that that that that your desire for excellence, continued 1126 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:12,040 Speaker 3: excellence will be contagious in this conversation that we're having 1127 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,520 Speaker 3: right here as it goes out into the airwaves and 1128 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,120 Speaker 3: into the youtubes and all of these things that they 1129 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:22,240 Speaker 3: would get that from your episode. We need a standard, 1130 01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:30,840 Speaker 3: We need more excellence, sure share, We need it, and 1131 01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:35,800 Speaker 3: and you are responsible for that. Thank you, And I'm 1132 01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,320 Speaker 3: going to make you even more responsible for it. You 1133 01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 3: have to be somewhere in charge of it, not just 1134 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,560 Speaker 3: you know, in your own space and your you're not 1135 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,440 Speaker 3: just not just where it's comfortable for you. I get it. 1136 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:56,040 Speaker 3: But behind enemy lines is where we need you. That's 1137 01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,640 Speaker 3: where we need you. That is my charge to you. 1138 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:07,640 Speaker 2: And definitely it absolutely definitely it's too many fakes, too 1139 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:13,880 Speaker 2: many fakes just playing music industry, playing music industry, really 1140 01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,880 Speaker 2: literally playing as soon as they leave the office. They 1141 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,480 Speaker 2: don't talk nothing music, they don't eat sleep music, They 1142 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:22,840 Speaker 2: just play executive. 1143 01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I've seen so many, still seeing them. This is 1144 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:35,360 Speaker 1: why music is too many fakes, too many impostors. 1145 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:43,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Taken, I'm je 1146 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:47,120 Speaker 3: all in town. This is the R and B Money Podcast, 1147 01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:52,439 Speaker 3: the authority on all things ry big. 1148 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,680 Speaker 1: You just saw. I don't have to say anything else. 1149 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:05,680 Speaker 3: Troy Taylor R and B Money. 1150 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,600 Speaker 4: R and B Money is a production of the Black 1151 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,040 Speaker 4: Effect Podcast Network. 1152 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:15,840 Speaker 5: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 1153 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,200 Speaker 5: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Don't forget 1154 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,000 Speaker 5: to subscribe to and rate our show, and you can 1155 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,480 Speaker 5: connect with us on social media at j Valentine and 1156 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,440 Speaker 5: at the Real Tank. For the extended episode, subscribe to 1157 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:33,200 Speaker 5: YouTube dot com, forward Slash, R and B Money