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Speaker 1: YESI gay ay, I'm meeting up with poet Jessica Salgado

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Speaker 1: outside of the hunts Point produce market in the South Bronx.

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Speaker 2: You will meet you anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a frigid winter day and we're all bundled up.

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Speaker 1: Yessica is visiting from her home in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 3: To be talking about love somewhere that isn't home kind

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Speaker 3: of makes it even that much more rich.

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Speaker 2: Are for me.

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Speaker 1: Hunts Point is the largest wholesale fruit and vegetable market

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Speaker 1: in the world, and we've brought Yessica here because we're

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Speaker 1: on a kind of a quest. We're here to find

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Speaker 1: the sexiest, most romantic fruit. From Futuro Media. It's Latino Usa.

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Speaker 1: I'm Maria Inojosa. Today a conversation with poet Jessica Salgado

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Speaker 1: about love, lust and being a hopeless romantic.

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Speaker 4: We are gonna start this episode.

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Speaker 1: By going on a little adventure together.

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Speaker 4: But just a little heads up that.

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Speaker 1: We recorded this when normal meant being out on the

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Speaker 1: street and walking around. That means we recorded this a

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Speaker 1: year ago before the COVID nineteen pandemic. And a warning

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Speaker 1: also that some of the conversation is about sex and

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Speaker 1: might not be suited for all ages. Here we go

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Speaker 1: off to the Bronx. Jessica writes a lot of love poems,

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Speaker 1: and many of those poems talk about mangos and lemons

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Speaker 1: and oranges, So she's the perfect person to bring to

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Speaker 1: the Hunt's Point market. It's super industrial. There are guys

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Speaker 1: hauling crates of pumpkins and celery around. There are trucks everywhere.

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Speaker 1: They beep as they pull in and out of the

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Speaker 1: parking lot. Honestly, it's not that easy to find somebody

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Speaker 1: here to ask about fruit. But then we run into

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Speaker 1: this guy.

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Speaker 4: Hey, what's your name?

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Speaker 5: Salvator sugar own. Naturally they call me Sugar.

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Speaker 1: So when we're here, because Jessica is a poet, she

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Speaker 1: writes a lot about love and sex and passion.

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Speaker 5: Oh I could sing about that, but I got a

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Speaker 5: raspy voice.

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Speaker 2: Usually I'm a.

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Speaker 5: Good singer, but right now I'm a little off.

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Speaker 4: What would be the song that you would.

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Speaker 5: Sing speaking words of wisdom? Let it be say I'm

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Speaker 5: a little off, though on a good night you would.

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Speaker 1: Melt so because you're here all the time. What is

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Speaker 1: the sexiest piece of fruit or the most romantic piece

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Speaker 1: of fruit?

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Speaker 5: I would say a kiwi you gotta eat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sugar walks over to a pile of kiwis that

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Speaker 1: he's selling and he splits one open with a knife

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Speaker 1: and it looks pretty spectacular. It's bright yellow on the

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Speaker 1: inside and it looks super juicy.

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Speaker 5: That's a gold kiwi.

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Speaker 2: Try now, thank you? So what makes is the sexiest

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Speaker 2: fruit for you?

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Speaker 5: Sexiest fruit? Don't you taste it?

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Speaker 2: I mean it's it's delicious, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: But I would never I would never thought of a

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Speaker 3: kiwi as sexy, Like I think of kiwis as an

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Speaker 3: awkward fruit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but but seriously, right now, if you if you

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Speaker 1: bite into this kiwi, right, you gotta do the sucking motion, right,

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: That's essential part.

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Speaker 3: And you're just like no, mmm, I mean I get it,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think it's the sexiest hirt.

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Speaker 6: No, because you're actually taking up She's like.

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Speaker 2: I stuck too hard. But I mean it's delicious.

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Speaker 1: So we tried the golden kiwi. But Hunt's point is

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Speaker 1: bursting with potentially sexy fruits.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, they're tomatoes. Wow, they're beautiful.

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Speaker 4: It's like the most sensual.

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Speaker 2: And right next to a very phoulic chili.

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Speaker 4: We spot some squash.

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Speaker 1: This is some pretty intense, robust still bus. Anything coming

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Speaker 1: to mind as you're looking at the squash.

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Speaker 3: Me it's a heavy, beautiful furuit and these are still

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Speaker 2: I spread it back down and it's like uzzi.

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Speaker 1: Yesigat grew up in La in a Salvadoran family. She

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Speaker 1: calls herself a fat fly poet. She's been writing and

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Speaker 1: performing poetry for more than a decade, first online and

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Speaker 1: at poetry Slams. Yes he Goat and her poetry have

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Speaker 1: blown up over the last few years with help from

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Speaker 1: Last fall, she published her third book of poetry. It's

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Speaker 1: called Elmosa, and she has a real talent for finding

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Speaker 1: the poetry in everyday things.

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Speaker 3: I talk about a lot with ripening fruits, as like

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Speaker 3: the discovering of love and finding love. And I think

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Speaker 3: it's because it takes a lot of growth to be

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Speaker 3: to wait for it to be ready for you to consume.

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Speaker 3: And many times we're so worried about love we don't

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Speaker 3: realize that has to take time to become love and

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Speaker 3: and so I think fruits teaches those lessons to wait.

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Speaker 2: Like, I don't think you've really known love until you're waiting.

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Speaker 3: For a mango to ripe in or avocado to ripepen

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Speaker 3: and you keep going back and touching it, and you're like, no,

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Speaker 3: it's not ready.

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Speaker 2: I can't eat it yet. I can't eat it yet.

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Speaker 3: And then when you finally can, you're like, I'm so

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Speaker 2: So beautiful.

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Speaker 4: All right, well let's keep walking.

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Speaker 2: Yes, oh, sorry for all.

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Speaker 1: As we go deeper into the market, we start feeling well,

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Speaker 1: a little bit in the way of pushing around fruit crates,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I am, I am.

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Speaker 1: It's good purpose And that's the beginning of the end

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Speaker 1: of our fruit adventure. Director Medina politely escorts us to

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Speaker 1: the exit, but before leaving, I had just one more question.

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Speaker 1: So we were here to talk about romantic and sexy fruit.

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Speaker 4: Okay, you just gave me the side. I what is

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Speaker 4: the sexiest.

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Speaker 5: Fruit for me?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, come on, you gotta give us an answer.

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Speaker 1: You're around fruit every single day.

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Speaker 2: Let's go with the mango, the grapes and avocado. I agree,

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: And with that we exit the market, get in the

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Speaker 1: car and head back to the Latino USA studios in Harlem. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: back in our warm studio, I sit down with Yes

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Speaker 1: to talk about love, lust, her body, and her new book.

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Speaker 4: All right, yes, you goat.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for going on the Sexy Fruit Hunt with us,

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Speaker 1: And I'm really sorry that we got kicked out.

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Speaker 3: I can't never say anybody else's every interview to me

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: It was such the perfect metaphor for who I am

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Speaker 3: in this world, and to be in such a male

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Speaker 3: interviewing me, and it's just so true to who I am,

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Speaker 3: like down to like the last drop, to be in

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Speaker 3: this hustle and bustle and to just be there and

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Speaker 3: be like, no, I'm here to talk about love and

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Speaker 3: all these things that like are inconvenient to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also feel like the men were totally like, yes,

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Speaker 1: we were a bit of an inconvenience, but I think

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Speaker 1: that they were also frankly, very attracted to what was happening. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think that they were attracted to you because you're

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Speaker 1: a poet and you exude this kind of other worldliness,

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Speaker 1: and I think they were attracted to me because they're

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Speaker 1: probably like, who is this older woman who's just walking

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Speaker 3: Well, there isn't anything sexier than confidence. And we had

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Speaker 3: someone cut open a fruit for us, like while he

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Speaker 3: was at work. And then like even the guys that

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Speaker 3: I like, I apologize for someone that I was in

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Speaker 3: And I see a lot of for me. That happens

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Speaker 3: a lot with men that come to my ratings. They

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Speaker 3: don't get the hype right, they don't get it, and

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Speaker 3: then they step into a room that I'm holding in

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Speaker 3: way that they look at me changes completely. After that

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Speaker 2: But that's what he makes.

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Speaker 3: I feel giddy, like nothing's happened between us, but I

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Speaker 3: most beautiful when I'm on stage reading my poetry. And

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Speaker 3: I'm like, if after this he doesn't want to marry

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Speaker 3: I can do, Like I've played my biggest card.

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Speaker 1: You have written a lot about your body, and you

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Speaker 1: call yourself a body positive activist, and you've written about

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Speaker 1: how relationships have affected your relationship with your body.

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Speaker 3: Definitely, I mean being a fat woman in general. It's

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Speaker 3: a lot, right, And then like we get to Hunts

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Speaker 3: Point and I see how large it is. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: But there's there's something in me that always kicks into no.

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Speaker 3: I'm Yessica, I'm Yessica Sanagado, and I'm here with Maria

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Speaker 3: in a hoosa, like there's no time to be shy.

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Speaker 3: And I feel that that's also what happens during sex.

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Speaker 3: All of my hang ups, all of my whatever. I

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Speaker 3: laundry list of why he might not want to have

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Speaker 2: Like the car got started.

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Speaker 3: And we're on our way, and like all the fears

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Speaker 2: And I think that.

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Speaker 3: As someone with my body, it's taken a long time

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Speaker 3: to get to this, right, Like, I spent many years

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Speaker 3: pretending this wasn't my body, you know, going online with

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Speaker 3: this this woman who says like, yeah, you know, like

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Speaker 3: this things about my body that aren't ideal. But everybody

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Speaker 3: in this country that we're told that beauty looks a

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Speaker 2: Look like that.

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Speaker 1: So what have been the significant moments where love has

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Speaker 1: changed how you think about your own body?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 2: My goodness.

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Speaker 3: So I used to catfish, right, I used to pretend

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Speaker 3: to be other people. And one of the last relationships

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Speaker 3: that I had using someone else's pictures instead of my

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Speaker 3: own online, right, was with this guy named Dominic from Writing, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 3: And he and I spoke for like six months, and

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Speaker 3: we had talked about visiting each other, and I kept

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Speaker 3: And then finally it just got to be too much

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Speaker 3: when I was like, what am I doing?

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Speaker 2: I had already found a.

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Speaker 3: and I was going home to pretend to be somebody

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Speaker 3: so I came clean to him, right, I confessed, And

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Speaker 3: it was my turning point in my life. I felt

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Speaker 3: A woman loves a man and life begins, and about

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Speaker 1: But also about creating a life that's all her own.

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Speaker 3: I just want my own place, somewhere to burn stage.

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Speaker 3: But most of all, I want to find a home

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Speaker 3: My goal is to buy my own home, not to

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Speaker 6: So I have to explore all of it, all right, yesie, guys.

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Speaker 1: So we have a bowl of fruit right here in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you're picking up the big palma.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever that's such a Latin American thing to

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Speaker 1: So I don't know about but in Mexico there are

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Speaker 2: So but yeah, mm.

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Speaker 3: Hmm, mango another Malonias are always for the breast. I've

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Speaker 3: Go so a little hard There's would have been really good.

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Speaker 8: It would have had a couple more days, more days, Jessica.

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Speaker 1: It has been so deliciously enlightening to spend some time

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Speaker 1: Latino USA.

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Speaker 1: Julia Rochard with help from Purees. Our engineers are Steffanie

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Speaker 1: Aliciava YouTube and Gabriela Baez. Our digital editor is Our

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Speaker 1: interns are Samantha Friedman and Carl Rubin. Our theme music

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Speaker 1: was composed by Senor Renos. If you like the music

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Speaker 1: Latinousa dot organ check out our weekly Spotify playlist. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host and executive producer Maria na Posa. Join us

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Speaker 1: on our next episode, and in the meantime, look for

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Speaker 1: us on all of your social media. Hi Loos, Waco Este,

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Speaker 1: La Proxima Joe.

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Speaker 7: Latino USA is made possible in part by the John D.

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Speaker 7: And Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the wind Coat Foundation, and

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Speaker 7: the Ford Foundation, working with visionaries on the front lines

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Speaker 7: of social change worldwide.

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Speaker 4: It really feels like.

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Speaker 2: I think he's trying to seduce you. He honed in

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Speaker 2: on you.

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Speaker 4: I think he liked you.

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Speaker 2: No, I think it was you. He honed in on

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Speaker 2: you who.

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Speaker 4: Looked at you. He was like, you're so pretty boy.

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Speaker 3: It was because you told him that I'm the one

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Speaker 3: that's been interviewed, but before that it was you.

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Speaker 8: We're not gonna make him choose.

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Speaker 4: I'm Maria Nojosa.

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Speaker 1: Next time on Latino USA, famed Venezuelan conductor Gustavo Dudame

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Speaker 1: shares his passion for music and tells.

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Speaker 4: Us why he believes it's the key to a better future.

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Speaker 8: Music will play a very important hole in the recovering.

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Speaker 2: Of the society.

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Speaker 4: That's next time on Latino USA,