1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a beautiful little 2 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 1: girl just eleven years old end up dead in the 3 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: bathroom at school? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 4 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 5 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: and Serious XM one eleven. I'm thinking back on when 6 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: my twins John, David and Lucy were just eleven years old. 7 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: And there's still babies at eleven, still very much babies. 8 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: Who is eleven year old Felicia take a listen to 9 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: her on Facebook. Hello, my fellow jack I gives. My 10 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: name is Felicia loo Albo Morandez and I'm running for 11 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: classroom representative because I think that bullying is bad and 12 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: they want to stop bullying and bullies. I also want 13 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: to make the school a better place. I show sore 14 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: qualities by listening to others, being nice, doing work I 15 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: need to do, and respecting my teachers and others near me. 16 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: If you need to talk to someone, I'm here to help. 17 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: One thing I will try to do is have a 18 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: hybrid party at the end of the year or give 19 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: Vincent's coupons to people that get A's and bees or 20 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: all a's. I hope you vote for me and have 21 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: a great day. You know, when you hear Felicia's a voice, 22 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: you would never know that there was any problem at all. 23 00:01:53,280 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: She sounds so outgoing, in independent, and just wonderful. What 24 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: more do we know about this eleven year old little girl? 25 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Felicia's mother. Adventurous, affectionate, authentic, beautiful, bold, brave, brilliant, charismatic, compassionate, courageous, creative, determined, empathetic, energetic, fascinating, fearless, funny, genuine, gracious, happy, helpful, humble, imaginative, independent, intelligent, kind, loyal, magical, nurturing, outgoing, peaceful, powerful, radiant, resourceful, unique, uplifting, vibrant. 26 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: These are just some of the words that can be 27 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: used to describe my daughter, Felicia now my happy hope. 28 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: I've said it before, and I will say it again. 29 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: Her last email will not go unheard. You're hearing Felicia's 30 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: mother describe her little girl, but I want you to 31 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: hear Felicia in her own words. Listen. If you are 32 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: listening to this, my name is Felicia. You may know 33 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: that well, I was one of the last owners of 34 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: this phone unless you were me. And while you're listening 35 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: to this from the future, then say hello to future mom, 36 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: future dead, future brother Ryan, future Jah, future Janette, future everyone. 37 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: Just say hi to them for me. And never never, 38 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: never be bad, never give up on your friends, Never ever, ever, ever, 39 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: ever ever be a bully, Never be a bully. Those 40 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: last words say it all. And when I say those 41 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: last words, we won't hear from Felicia again. Her bright 42 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: light was put out and I want to know why. 43 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of 44 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: what we know right now. But joining me first is 45 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: Felicia's mother, Elena Loalbo, Miss Lolbo. Thank you for being 46 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: with us. Thank you, Nancy. I just want to thank 47 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: you so much for being with us, and I am 48 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: hoping that your voice, along with my Kenna Browne's mother, 49 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: Cheryl brown will have some impact to hopefully make this 50 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: impossible to happen again. I don't know how many voices 51 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: have to be raised, but we can try a line 52 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: up what happened to Felicia. Thank you, Nancy, Thank you 53 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: for giving Felicia a voice. Sarah was Felicia has always 54 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: been an advocate for herself and for others, not only 55 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: because she herself had been bullied but because of the 56 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: work that her father and I have done, her father 57 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: as a police officer, dealing with people who were unruly, 58 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: her trying to give a voice to people, to not 59 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: have to deal with all of the things that life 60 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: comes at you, having to help her and her friends 61 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: that the school just failed to listen to. I appreciate 62 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: you so much. That voice clip that she left in 63 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: her phone from two years ago, it's chilling now to 64 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: listen to. So excuse me if I get a little 65 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: choked up every time I hear it. It's just all 66 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: a future note from her. All we want our answers. 67 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: I just can't fathom my daughter, who was an advocate, 68 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: taking her life in that cold, stalled bathroom. It just 69 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to me. None of it makes sense. 70 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: And after nearly nine weeks for the school to not 71 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: respond to me, just like they didn't respond to my 72 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: daughter is baffling her emails when unanswered, her cries for help, 73 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: me showing up at the school, just like they went unanswered. 74 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: For all of the other kids who have continued to 75 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: be bullied within the walls of that school and every 76 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: school across the nation, Felicia is not the only child 77 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: This is an epidemic everywhere, and it's not just the children. 78 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: Quite frankly, Nancy, it's our educators being silent. Our educators 79 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: don't feel like they have a voice to be able 80 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: to speak up about what's going on within the walls 81 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: of their classroom. Let me ask you something, Elena with me. 82 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: Is Felicia's mother, Elena lo Aalbo, when did you learn 83 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: about Felicia being found in the school bathroom. I received 84 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: a phone call at about one fifteen that she was 85 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: in cardiac arrest and that I had to go to 86 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: virtual hospital. I was not informed of the means of 87 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: her death until later that afternoon. So you thought at 88 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: first that you're eleven year old girl had gone into 89 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: cardiac arrest basically a heart attack. They didn't tell you 90 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: what actually happened. Correct, Dave mc joining me crime online 91 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Dave. What was Felicia's cod cause 92 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: of death? Suicide by hanging. Do you believe that Elena 93 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: are the parent? No? I do not at all. Guys. 94 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: I want you to hear our cut wa from our 95 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: friends at crime online dot Com. Felicia lo Albo Melendez 96 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: mother says her daughter has been bullied at school for years. 97 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: The bullying became so bad that the little girl took 98 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: it upon herself to write numerous emails to school officials 99 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: and the school counselor for help. Mom Elena lo Albo 100 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: says she has even had to personally call another student's 101 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: parent to ask them to help stop the bullying. Lo 102 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: Albo says her eleven year old was called derogatory names, 103 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: gum was put in the girl's hair, personal items were stolen, 104 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: and the girl had been told to unalive herself. According 105 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: to the mom, Felicia punched. The student said that in 106 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: an effort to move Felicia away from the bullies, she 107 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: was set to be moved to a new class after 108 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: winter recess. It never happened. In her emails to the school, 109 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: the preteen even offered a preemptive suggestion of a trauma club, 110 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: a safe place where students could discuss what was happening. 111 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: The mom quoted her daughter's email as saying, it would 112 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: need a room that is not too big and not 113 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: too small. We would need a couple of chairs too. 114 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: But I hope this does happen. I, for one, have 115 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: heard from my friends and others about things that have 116 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: happened to them, and I think this would be a 117 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: fantastic thing. Felicia's at last email also pointed out that 118 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: there were laws to protect the students from being bullied, 119 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: and school officials were breaking those laws by not taking 120 00:09:44,320 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: action crime stories with Nancy Grace Back to Elena l Albo, 121 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: this is Felicia's mother, Miss Lolbo. Why was Felicia bullied? 122 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: I wish I had an answer for that. In the beginning, 123 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: we told ourselves because she had skipped a grade and 124 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: they didn't understand her, because she was smarter but socially younger, 125 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: because she was still in advanced classes, even though she 126 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: skipped a grade and still academically advanced, yet socially younger. 127 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. I wish I had the answer for that. 128 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: It was different groups of people. It wasn't just the 129 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: same girl or just the same boy. It was different groups. 130 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: What were they saying to her, What were they calling her? 131 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: All kinds of things, all kinds of derogatory things. It 132 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: wasn't just her looks or just her sexuality, or just 133 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: what she wore. Well, she's beautiful, She's a beautiful, beautiful 134 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: little girl. I don't see what It could be about 135 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: her looks, or she's, as you said, skipped a grade 136 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: because she's so smart. She was reading chapter books in kindergarten. 137 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: She was an amazing writer. They won't even release her 138 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: literacy classwork to me, she was an amazing writer, and 139 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: I would love to get her schoolwork. They won't even 140 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: give me that. All I wanted to videotapes show me 141 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: that she was alone. Nothing, They won't give me anything. Okay, 142 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: I don't understand that with me. As Tom Ruskin, private investigator, 143 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, former NYPD investigator, 144 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: you can find him at CMP dashgroup dot com. Tom, 145 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: I was stunned when I learned that the school where 146 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: Felicia lost her life in a bathroom in a stall 147 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: completely unlike her won't respond to the mother, forget about 148 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: not sending the videos or her school work. Do you 149 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: know I've saved every bit of the twins school work 150 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: there in the ninth grade now, every bit of it 151 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: each year is boxed away by year for each twin, right, 152 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: and they won't send that to the mother, much less 153 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: the video she's referring to about who went into that 154 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: bathroom with her? How do I know this as a sumicide. Nancy, 155 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: you really don't. And the first thing I'd like to 156 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: say is how sorry I am for this lobo and 157 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: her family, and how tragic this is. Law enforcement nowadays 158 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: is much more open, and not only should the school 159 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: be sitting down with her and her husband, a law 160 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: enforcement professor, but should also be showing her what they 161 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: have even privately, even if they don't release it publicly, 162 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: because it is a private matter right now is under 163 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: police investigation, they should be showing in the air of 164 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: open and transparency. They should be showing her family the 165 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: video and whatever evidence they have at this point in time, 166 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: for their knowledge and for a portion of their closure. 167 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: So thank you for recognizing that fact. I feel the 168 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: same way. Unfortunately, because my police detective husband has passed away, 169 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: I am alone in this fight and they still will 170 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: not show me any of this publicly or privately. Moreover, 171 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: they did a spiritual cleansing at the school, and it 172 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: didn't even tell me about this. I wasn't invited, let 173 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: alone told about it. I had to hear a third 174 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: party from someone who worked there that they did a 175 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: spiritual cleansing for my daughter after supposedly ending her life 176 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: in that cold stall. Okay, David started with me. I 177 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: profile a lawyer and former APD Atlanta police officer and 178 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: the homicide Division. Davis uttered, everything is screaming at me, 179 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: this is wrong. Okay. I want to get off our 180 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: emotions tied up in this thing. You and I both 181 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: have children, we both have girls, and I want to 182 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: focus on the events because that's something I can understand. 183 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: We don't even know that this is a suicide. Why 184 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: won't they hand over that video? Yeah, it's puzzling to me. 185 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: Nancy's why the school is being so guarded about this, 186 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: as you're, you know, in the spirit of openness and 187 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: honesty and transparency, which is, you know, what everyone is 188 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: striving for these and if there's nothing to fear, why 189 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: not hand it over? Absolutely, that's absolutely right. I'm puzzled 190 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: as to what they're recalcentrance is relative to that, and 191 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: I don't I'm assuming and I may be wrong about this, 192 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: And missus l Alba, I'm so very sorry for your 193 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: loss in this matter. It's just a horrible story. But 194 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that that as this has been ruled suicide, 195 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: there's not a criminal investigation that's pending is that is 196 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: that correct? As of last Wednesday, the detective told me 197 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: that it was closing right right. Well, you see, the 198 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: school without a criminal investigation, when without the subpoena power 199 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: or court orders issued by an investigating agency, the schools 200 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: under very little pressure to release anything. Well, there's more, 201 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: David Stutterard, there's more. Karen Stark? How many times have 202 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: I said, if you don't know a horse, look at 203 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: its track record with me. Karen Stark, trauma and crime expert, psychologist. 204 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: You can find her at Karen Stark dot com Karen 205 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: with a Sea. There is a track record of these 206 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: students bullying her boys and girls. So how do I 207 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: know what really happened? How do you know what really happened? 208 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: And this is just so out wages. I am so sorry, 209 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry for you lost, but this is so 210 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: prevalent that they're showing that I need to to know, Nancy, 211 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: that three and five teenage girls feel persistent sadness double 212 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: the rated boys, and they are seriously considering attempting suicide. 213 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: And there is a link between bullying and suicide. So 214 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: whether or not that really happened, she killed herself, nothing 215 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: is being done in this school to take care of 216 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: this brilliant girl. Brilliant who let them know that there 217 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: was a problem. It's unacceptable, isn't it true? Miss Elena Loamo. 218 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: This is Felicia's mother, that Felicia, this little girl eleven, 219 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: actually email the administration and told them that she and 220 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: her friends were being bullied and that the school was 221 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: quote breaking the law by not taking action. That it's 222 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: very advanced for an eleven year old girl. Yes, ma'am. 223 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: She did. Just days before her passing. She emailed her counselor, 224 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: who was also the hib investigator for the school. Nothing 225 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: was done. When she came home from school that day 226 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: she had a therapist appointment, so I had her evaluated. 227 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: At that point she was deemed to be okay by 228 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: her therapist, who she had been seeing for some time 229 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: before her father passed. Her dad passed away with pancreatic cancer. 230 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: Is that correct, yes, ma'am, after a two week, two 231 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: day battle of stage four pancreatic cancer. Miss lay Albo, 232 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: you are battling so much on so many fronts with me. 233 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: Is Nancy Willard? Miss Willard is not only a lawyer 234 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: but the author of Engage Students to Embrace civility. They 235 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: Positively Powerful, a guide for teens on achieving resilience and 236 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: empowerment and author I'll be positively Powerful Resilient when things 237 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: get tough, and you can find Nancy Willard and be 238 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: positively Powerful dot com. What do you say, Nancy Willard? 239 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: Two children and teens that are facing bullying? And what 240 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: about the parents? What can we do as parents? Elena, 241 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: I am so sorry for your loss. And Felicia was 242 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 1: doing absolutely everything right. Note that the title of my 243 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: book is Engage Students to Embrace Civility. Now. I've been working. 244 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: I wrote the first book ever published on cyberbullying. It 245 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: was published back in two thousand and seven, and I 246 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: realized at that time that what schools were doing to 247 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: try to address bullying wasn't going to work, and that 248 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: one of the things we really need to do is 249 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: engage students like Felicia in the efforts to create a 250 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: more positive school climate. And she was trying to do that. 251 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: I mean, just bless her, that's what she was trying 252 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: to do. She was reaching out for help and now, 253 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: and she was suggesting positive alternatives. What we need to 254 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: understand is that what schools are doing say they are 255 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: doing to address bullying is flat not working. It's not 256 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: working anywhere. And I was looking over the New Jersey 257 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: hib elany is that HIB is harassment, intimidation, bullying. That's 258 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: the statue. That's what they referred to, and it's not working. 259 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: On the website for New Jersey's Department of Education says 260 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: we're a leader in statutory and policy approaches to reduce bullying. 261 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: That is bully okay. So what happened was in twenty ten, 262 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: the US Department of Education recommended that state statutes include 263 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: a provision that requires that all school districts report the 264 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: number of bullying incidents that have occurred. New Jersey did, 265 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: New York did. I've got data from New York several 266 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: years after they did. The State Controller found that seventy 267 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: one percent of New York City schools had zero incidents 268 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: of bullying. Is reporting requirement has resulted in principles or 269 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: counselors or HIB consultants whatever, deciding that the reported incidents 270 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: are not really bullying. Oh, I see where you're going. 271 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: They are trying to so the schools are trying to 272 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: hide the bullying to make their school system or just 273 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: their school look better, guys. Leading up to this, Felicia 274 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: had been enduring so much. Her dad had just passed 275 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 1: away with pancreatic cancer after a very brief but valiant battle, 276 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: and she was seemingly making no headway at the school, 277 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: nor was her mom, who had actually confronted some of 278 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: the parents that were bullying her daughter. But guys, take 279 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at crime online and were 280 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: cut five. A couple of weeks after emailing the administration 281 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: about her idea for a trauma club for children victimized 282 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: by bullying, and a week after she wrote the same 283 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: administration that she and her friends were being bullied and 284 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: the administration was breaking a law by not taking action. 285 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: A student walked into a restroom at FW Holbey Middle 286 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: School in New Jersey about one pm and found Felicia 287 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: unconsciously hanging in a closed stall. Help came fast, and 288 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: Felicio was rushed to the hospital, where doctor's battle to 289 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: save the eleven year old. Sadly, two days later, she 290 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: was gone. Felicia died less than two weeks after her 291 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: father passed away. Her heart broken mother, knowing how bad 292 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: Felicia was bullied, once to see the surveillance video that 293 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: proves Felicia was alone when this happened. Bullying in schools 294 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: resulting in suicides it's now rampant. As a matter of fact, 295 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: just before Felicia lost her life at school eleven year 296 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: old Felicia, there is a case of Adrianna Cutch in 297 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: the same jurisdiction. Litsten our Friends at seven ABC. This 298 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: is the school hallway assault posted online, followed by online 299 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: bullying that this grieving father said caused his fourteen year 300 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: old daughter to die by suicide. The cell phone video 301 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: was taken one week ago. Adriana died Friday. They think 302 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: it's fun to attack people in make videos impost them 303 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: getting hit in the face with the water bottled in 304 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: her Adriana when her Adriana was the embarrassment and humiliation, 305 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: they just kept coming at her. Michael Kush has not slept, 306 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: trying to mourn his daughter and get justice for Adriana. 307 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: The freshman was hit in the face with a full 308 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: twenty ounce water bottle three times on the video, punched 309 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: and kicked, her hair pulled at school wild classmates laughed 310 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: and recorded the attack. E Davis Stutter, prosecutor form our 311 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: Cop also private lawyer. I don't get it. Of all 312 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: places that can be controlled, what's happening in school can 313 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: be controlled. I don't understand why this continues. After the 314 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: first warning, the next incident, the bullier should be expelled, 315 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: and I mean for good, I agree. I mean that's 316 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: the remedy. You identify. I mean, there's videos of this happening, 317 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: you identify the people involved with it, and you kick 318 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: them out of school immediately. One warning and that's final. 319 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: And guys, it's not just Felicia. You just heard about 320 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: this beautiful little girl, Adriana Kutch. Now she is no 321 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: longer with us. Joining me right now is a mom 322 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: who has endured so much she lost her beautiful girl. 323 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: McKenna Brown, a star athlete. I want you to hear 324 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: a little bit about McKenna's case. Takeing us an hour 325 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: cut eleven five thirteen, sixteen year old Mckinnah Brown, a 326 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: fearless goalie on the ice with a bright smile. She 327 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: lit everything up when she walked in her room. Hilarious, 328 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: sweaty who's hard, was always open to anyone in need, 329 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: anybody that she felt was feeling left out. She went 330 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: over said hello, She brought everybody in and connected everybody. 331 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: She was the glue that held a lot of groups together, 332 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: including our family. Her parents, Hunter and Cheryl Brown say 333 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: she put others needs before her own. She touched everyone's lives, 334 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: and yet she was suffering. She was broken, she was 335 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: her she was alone, She felt like she didn't belong, 336 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: but she chose to suffer in silence. I like to say, 337 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: because you know, she never said I need help, and 338 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: our cut thirteen on all these seventh days, before the 339 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: first day of school, she took her own life. It's 340 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: been total hell. I didn't know. She's all around us still, 341 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: but she's not here physically, and that hurts. More than 342 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: a thousand people showed up to pay their respects at 343 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: her memorial service, including all of Palm Hember find a 344 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: Rescue where her dad is a lieutenant. Cheryl hopes her 345 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: daughter's story is a wake up call for all parents. 346 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: If you're aware of something that's going on in your 347 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: kid's life that's affecting another kid, you got to say something. 348 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: You can't just not say something that's not okay, and 349 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: that could have prevented this. We have Felicia being bullied 350 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: at school to the point the eleven year old girl 351 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: asked begs administrators to create a trauma room that's a 352 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: safe place for people being bullied. Just before that, in 353 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: the same jurisdiction, Adriana Cuts, just fourteen years old, takes 354 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: her own life after being bullied and beaten openly in 355 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: to school hallways. Joining me right now is mckennet Brown's mother, 356 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: Cheryl Brown. Cheryl, when you hear Elena speaking, what is 357 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: going through your mind about your own daughter? It makes 358 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: me stick to my stomach. Nancy and Atlanta, I'm so 359 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: sorry that I can so absolutely one understand what you're 360 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: going through. It's deplorable. There's no accountability. The schools just 361 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: want to kick the can and sweep it into the carpet. 362 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: I don't know how many of these beautiful kids who 363 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: can't see a way out after being bullied or cyber bullied, 364 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: resort to ending the pain by taking their own life. 365 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: Something has to change. And Nancy said earlier what the 366 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 1: schools are doing, it's not working. They're not and by 367 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: doing nothing, they're actually doing something which is perpetuating the problem. 368 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: They're not protecting our kids. You know, an interesting thing 369 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: is that cyberbullying can affect these little victims as much 370 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: as real bullying. I mean, explain that to me, Karen Stark, 371 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: how online bullying can affect a child just as much 372 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: as bullying in the school in the school hallway. Well, Nancy, 373 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: it's really clear that at everything is about being online 374 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: and social media these days, and so in the past 375 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: that there was bullying, terrible bullying. It was a small 376 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: group perhaps that knew. But now you're talking about reaching 377 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: out across the country. Anybody can see a video where 378 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: you're being beaten up or here the taunt. It's deplorable. 379 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: It's not acceptable that the schools are not catching this, 380 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: looking for it and doing something about it. To Elena Lalbo, 381 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: this is Felicia's mother who was speaking out. I guess 382 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: what happened to her young girl. What would you tell 383 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: Felicia when she would come home and tell you about 384 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: the bullying, because we were advocates for ourselves, it would 385 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: talk to your teachers, talk to your principle, talk to 386 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: your counselor make a history about it, you know, keep 387 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: a paper trail. I showed up at the school. I 388 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: talked to the counselor, I talked to the principle. I 389 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: talked to parents. I talked to the bullies parents, take krabmaga. 390 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: If they get in your face, then you do something. 391 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: We were offline, so well, she was offline, so thankfully 392 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: we didn't have to experience the online bullying. I can't 393 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: even imagine if a few years from now, what that 394 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: would have entailed. Well, what did you tell her when 395 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: she would come home and tell tell you, confiding you 396 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: about instances of being bullied? What was your advice to her? 397 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: It would pick on her because she was smarter than them, 398 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: and it was encouraging her that it was okay to 399 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: be smarter than them, that they didn't understand what she 400 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: was saying because they were not as smart as them, 401 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: putting gum in her hair, that they were just jealous 402 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: of her beautiful hair. That you know, of course, somebody 403 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: isn't going to like you because you're prettier than them. 404 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: You can't let them make you feel insecure because of 405 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: the way that you look. All encouraging her to be herself, 406 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, to not be scared, to stand out when 407 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: you would confront parents. I mean, you knew who her 408 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: bullies were. When you confronted a parent. What would they say, oh, no, 409 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: not my child. Oh they were friends. Oh she took 410 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: that the wrong way. Oh but your daughter did. What 411 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: about it? Cheryl Brown, what was your experience with mckinna. Well, 412 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: McKenna would confide to you about her feelings, and the parents, 413 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's on ahead Elena, you know, not my child. 414 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: You know it wasn't they had. There's no accountability and 415 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: the parents don't think that the kids did anything wrong, 416 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: so of course they're encouraging that behavior by doing that. 417 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: There's no repercussions, there's no accountability. It's encouraging the behavior 418 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 1: because there's absolutely nothing being done at home. We're at 419 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: school to prevent and you also told the school correct absolutely. 420 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: In fact, they the first incident that she had, which was, 421 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, a personal picture of hers that was distributed 422 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,959 Speaker 1: to the school, they initially removed that girl from her 423 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: three classes that she shared classes with. The parents fought 424 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: back and they put that girl back in her classes. 425 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: But not only was she not expelled. I can tell 426 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: you this at the Twins school, slurs were used reportedly 427 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: and on the very first time those children were expelled, expelled. 428 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: They're not going back as they should be. I don't 429 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: understand why the school is not acting. Time Stories with 430 00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace too. Nancy Willard joining us, the author of 431 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: Engage Students to Embrace Civility. What about the schools not acting? 432 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: There are a whole bunch of reasons that they don't act. 433 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: And I've been trying to work with schools and trying 434 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: to help them learn better ways to act for over 435 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: a decade and I have been unable to get through. 436 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: I just created an online course, two online courses, but 437 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: one of the four parents, because I think we have 438 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: to better empower parents as well as young people. So 439 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: my on be Positively Powerful dot com. There is a 440 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: free ebook for parents, and I have an online course. 441 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: It's empower your bullied child and insist that your child 442 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: schools stop them. You know, I feel though, Nancy, that 443 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: both Cheryl and Elena went to the school administration but 444 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: nothing happened, you know on that vein doctor Kendall Crowns. 445 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns is joining us today Chief Medical Examiner, 446 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: Tarrant County Lecturer, University Texas Austin and Texas Christian University 447 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: Medical School, Doctor Kendall Crowns. It just keeps running through 448 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: my mind if Felicia had been found alive, she was 449 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: still alive when she was found in the bathroom. I 450 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: don't understand if that's true, if she was immediately taken 451 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: to the hospital, if they called nine one one immediately, 452 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: why they couldn't save her life. First off, I would 453 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: like to express my condolences to both of the mothers 454 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: that are on the show today. I'm sorry for your losses. 455 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: But to answer your question, Nancy, what happened when you 456 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: hang yourself? It cuts off with circulation on the offygen 457 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: getting to your brain. You have to get to that 458 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: individual within a matter of minutes to be able to 459 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: save them. And if they don't get to them quick enough, 460 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: they may not have died. But their brainstone functions or 461 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: the functions of your brain that still keep your heart 462 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: going are still alive. But you're essentially brain dead, so 463 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: it takes a matter of time for your body to 464 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: shut down after that. And that's just the nature of 465 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: hanging it. It isn't as a super quick way to die. Guys, 466 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: I'm listening to doctor Kendall Crown speaking and I'm imagining 467 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: the scene unfolding when little eleven year old Felicia was 468 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: found to the right of me. I have planning and 469 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: I can hardly bear to look down at it. The 470 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: video of another little girl, fourteen years old, Adriana Couch 471 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: in the same Jersey air as where Felicia was bullied 472 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,479 Speaker 1: and tormented at school. The video is of Adrianna being 473 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: kicked and beaten in the hallway of the school. Somebody 474 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: took a video, and if I'm seeing it right here, 475 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: I find it very difficult to believe school administrators didn't 476 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: see it. And doctor Kendall Crowns, you've seen this before. 477 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: When I look at Adriana's face, she has a bloodied lip, 478 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: her nose is beaten. It's bloody and bruised. This is 479 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: from not a gang warfare or an attack. There's pictures 480 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: of her in the tub. She took a picture or 481 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: parents took the picture of her leg is covered in 482 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: bruises from the ankle all the way up the thigh 483 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: where she was kicked at school. Doctor Kendall Crowns, this isn't, 484 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: like I said, a gang attack. This is at school. 485 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, this looks like a beating someone would 486 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: take as an aggravated assault. Well, that is what it is. 487 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean they're just looking at someone that's been beaten 488 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: at a school, and then other people have joined in. 489 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: You get the mob mentality or whatever you want to 490 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: call it. Now the kids feel that one's another child 491 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: down and being kicked, they can join in because it's 492 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: all parts of funds and now they're videotaping it. I 493 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: mean you've had your episode Notchuanco with Shantay Williams beaten 494 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: and had her neck broken on video that then people 495 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: felt confident enough to publish on TikTok because they want 496 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: to show their accomplishments and get their views because they 497 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: think that's great. Whereas there's a victim involved in all this. 498 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: It's being beaten and killed and it's disturbing to me, 499 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 1: Like see this actually quite often, and bullying is a 500 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: horrible thing, and I wish the schools could do something. Well, 501 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: they came and he's referring to the Casa sian Quila 502 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: Robinson Elena Lawhile about what is the school saying now 503 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: and are you considering legal action against the school for 504 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: doing nothing? As of right now, the school still has 505 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: not done anything. I still have no response from the 506 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: school or the detectives. As for the legal action, yes, 507 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: that is absolutely something that I am looking into. Something 508 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: has to come out of this. Somebody has to be 509 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: held responsible for their inaction, not only for my child, 510 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: but for all the children who are currently going through this, 511 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: and they are going through it at this moment as 512 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:53,280 Speaker 1: we're speaking, children twains, teens are being bullied relentlessly at school. 513 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you heard Nancy Willard state that schools are 514 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: hiding this, sweeping this under the rugs so they continue 515 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: to look pristine. Tom Ruskin, I mean, are we really 516 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: going to leave it up to school detectives to stop 517 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 1: bullying in the halls. No. That's why police departments and 518 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: safety patrol officers sometimes with police departments are normally involved 519 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: in these type of cases and should be because if 520 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: it rises to the level of a crime, and in 521 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: these cases more serious than that, you have to have 522 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: police departments involved, and you have to have counselors involved, 523 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: and you have to deal with the families in certain 524 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: times to the mother's point before parents are in denial, 525 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: they don't understand that their children can be bullies, and 526 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: the police have to then get involved and sit down 527 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 1: with trained police officers to sit down with the parents 528 00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: and explain this is what's happening. Terroristic threats, They are imidation. 529 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: It is intimidation, and these are aggravated assaults all these 530 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: bullying victims. Cheryl Brown, could you just tell us what 531 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 1: one day is like for you after you have lost McKenna. 532 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: There's not a single day that goes by that I 533 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: don't cry and still look back and think, you know, 534 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: if there's something else that I could have done, and 535 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't It doesn't get it does not get easier. 536 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 1: But I am not giving up. I will make a change, 537 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: and I will gather all the people that I need 538 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: to and muster up the energy to make sure that 539 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: change does happen and keep McKenna's name alive. Her legacy 540 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: was helping people and she continues to help people. I 541 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: hear people reach out all the time, even still just 542 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: talking about us being transparent and talking about it. Even 543 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: what you're doing and helping to do that, that is 544 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: making a difference, and conversations are being had with parents 545 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: and their kids that weren't happening before. I just wish that, 546 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, I wish there had been more transparency at 547 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: Mchannis School in particular, those conversations could have been had 548 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: what was her school? Eastlake High School? Who come to 549 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: find out there were five suicides in six years and 550 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 1: we knew nothing about them? Again sweeping get under the rug. 551 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: Elena lo Albo, tell us what one day is like 552 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: for you without Felicia. Oh God. I put every face 553 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: in the school and in our police department. And the 554 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: last eight and a half weeks has just been in 555 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: that hope that they were going to do the right thing. 556 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,240 Speaker 1: I sent her into those walls every day in that hope. 557 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: I encouraged her to advocate to them because I believe 558 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: that they could do the right thing. And for eight 559 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,240 Speaker 1: weeks that have been my only prayer to no avail. 560 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: Hearing everything that Nancy said really hit because she's right, 561 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: it has. They lie about the hip numbers, and they're 562 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: continuing to lie about everything, and it's just every day 563 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: is painful. Every day is painful. Our children's voices are 564 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: not going to go unheard, and their legacies will continue because, 565 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 1: like you said, our transparency now are going to start 566 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: these much needed conversations. I have been silent for eight 567 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: and a half weeks and been the hardest moments of 568 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: my life. I miss her so incredibly much. My happy Hope, 569 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: Felicie mL, my happy Hope. Guys, if you are in 570 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 1: fear or to a point that you feel you or 571 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: your child cannot go on, go to Suicide and Crisis 572 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: Lifeline Textra dial nine eight eight. We are not waiting 573 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: for justice to unfold. We are fighting for change. Goodbye friend,