1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last days. Finally 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: some good news for the son of convicted killer former 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: lawyer Alex Murdogg. His son Buster, who attended his trial 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: faithfully every single day, marries his fiancee, Brooklyn White and 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: a South Carolina wedding four years after his mother and 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: brother were gunned down dead. I'm as he, Grace, this 7 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. The 8 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: only living son of convicted killer Alex Murdog has married 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: his longtime fiancee and a private, yet luxurious wedding in 10 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: South Carolina. I recall distinctly sitting right behind Buster Murdog 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: as he sat through his dad's double murder trial in 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: the shooting deaths of wife Maggie and son Paul. Buster 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: thirty two and fiancee Brooklyn White tied the knot in 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: front of family and friends at a former hunting estate 15 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: in Beaufort, South Carolina. It's in a past riverside community 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: on Ladies Island. I wonder what mixed feelings he must 17 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: have had as he stood at the altar waiting for 18 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: Brooklyn to walk down the aisle without his father or 19 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: his brother standing in as best man and without seeing 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: his mother beaming on the front row. The wake of 21 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: pain left behind by Alex Murdock seemingly never ends what 22 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: happened that night at Murdog's hunting lodge. 23 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: Fitz News is reporting sources close to the investigation say 24 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: that physical forensic evidence directly ties Alex Murdad to the 25 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: double homicide. Fitz News sighting sources close to the investigation 26 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: claims Alex Murdaud is the only person identified as a 27 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: person of interest. On June seventh, twenty twenty one, Alex 28 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: Murdoch called nine one round ten oh seven pm to 29 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: report that he had found the bodies of his fifty 30 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 2: two year old wife, Maggie and twenty two year old 31 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: son Paul. Fitznews claims Maggie murdaught you was shot and 32 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: killed by a semi automatic rifle around the same time 33 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: as her son was killed. 34 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: With us an all star panel to make sense of 35 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: what we know right now. High profile lawyer out of 36 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: LA Troy Slayton, forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior and 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: Where Law on Psychology, intersect Doctor Sherry Schwartz, Professor Forensics, 38 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on 39 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: Amazon and star of a U hit series Bodybags, with 40 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan joining us, but straight out to Dave 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: Matt Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, Dave, I mean, 42 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: I don't know that I need a forensics expert to 43 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: tell me there's gonna be evidence linking Alec Murdog to 44 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: the dead bodies of his wife and his son. And 45 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, Dave. We've talked about it several 46 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: times off air. You have him, Alec Murdog, then arranging 47 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: a hit on himself. Remember that when he's found bleeding 48 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: from the head out on a rural road. Nothing he 49 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: said made any sense about changing his tire, and then 50 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: he said some guys came along and took a shot 51 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: at him. Turns out his dope dealer was paid to 52 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: shoot him in the head. Now think about it. Think 53 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: about it, Dave Mack. This is just weeks after his 54 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: wife and son are shot in the head execution style. Wow, 55 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: I wonder who orchestrated that. So you're telling me, Dave Mack, 56 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: that there are reports not of just deduction such as 57 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: what I just did two and two eekals four, but 58 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: actual physical forensic evidence linking Alec Murdoch to the double murder. 59 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Nancy. 60 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 4: Here's what we've got. 61 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: At least one of the weapons used in the double 62 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: homicide of Maggie and Paul Murdach belonged to the Murdof family. 63 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: We've got deputies finding shell casings at the scene that 64 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: they're obviously matching to at least one of the guns, 65 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: but two different guns were supposedly used. One was a 66 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: semi automatic rifle. We've got agents on the scene that 67 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 2: are searching a river, the Salkahatchie River swampy area, approximately 68 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: two miles south of Mozelle, that are getting more evidence. 69 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: And we've got again this evidence that ties all of 70 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: this together. Maggie Murdaw's cell phone is found along the 71 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: rural South Carolina road just outside the family seventeen hundred 72 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: acre hunting lodge the day after the murder. All of 73 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: that put together is what we're dealing with in terms 74 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: of physical evidence. 75 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: So you're saying that from those items and whatever they've 76 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: dredged up out of the Sakahatchie, you're saying that it's 77 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: your belief on those items is the physical evidence they're 78 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: talking about. And not only that, not only that way, 79 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: what about a potential gunshot residue test they may have 80 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: done on Alex Murdoch at the time he found his 81 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: dead wife and son. And did you mention that they 82 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: towed the company vehicle that night and processed it? 83 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: Did you say that, Dave mack I am now that 84 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: they actually did impound It was a twenty twenty one 85 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: Chevy Suburban that was registered to the Murdall Law firm. 86 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: And all of this is being reported through Fitz News. 87 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: That's where we're getting this information. Nancy law enforcement on 88 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 2: the scene that night, collected all of this evidence that 89 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: we know how this works out from a balistic standpoint 90 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: to the residue test. The police are playing this so 91 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: close to the vest, but we're getting enough information to 92 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: be able to tie it together to see these links 93 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: are all pointing back to Alex Murdau. 94 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to take a listen to Alex 95 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: Murdoch's nine to one one call our cut twenty five. 96 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 5: One within their emergency tell me one forty seven, mosaille Road, 97 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 5: I think the police acade from my wife And okay, 98 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 5: you said forty one forty seven, Moti wrote analogin sir, 99 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 5: you said forty one forty seven mozel rode alogin yes, sir, 100 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 5: forty one forty three Road on the line. 101 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 6: Yes Thursday, on the line with the okayticut communication. 102 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 5: Colleton, I have an Alex Murdoch on the line. Call 103 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: it from forty one forty seven mos Roll. 104 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 6: He's advising that his wife. 105 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: Aunt child was shot. 106 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 5: Okay in sorry, whatly forty one forty seven Moselle Road. 107 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 5: I've been up to it now it's. 108 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 6: Bad, okay, okay, And are. 109 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: No mam okay? 110 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 6: Is that it's your wife and your son A wife 111 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 6: and my son. 112 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 5: No ground out at my. 113 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: Kennel, Jackie. Do they have the death penalty in South Carolina? 114 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that they do. Okay. Troy Slayton, high 115 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: profile lawyer joining me out of la Hey. We tried 116 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: to give Alex Murdog the benefit of the doubt. Well, okay, 117 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: you tried. But now that I know, as I suspected 118 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 1: long suspected. He is the one that finds the dead bodies. 119 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: He is the one that owns the residents where they're found. 120 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: He's the one uh looking at a big fat, juicy 121 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: divorce from a wife who is likely to cover during 122 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: her discovery process, her legal discovery process, that he has 123 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: been embezzling money from all of his clients and sniffing 124 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: it up his nose for years. It's all going to 125 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: come out in her divorce. And they are murdog guns. 126 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: We learned that on day one. A source told us 127 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: day one that at least one of the guns was 128 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: a murdog gun. All right, so what more do I 129 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: need to know for Pete's sake? Then he stages his 130 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: own suicide botched, I might add, and lies through his 131 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: teeth about it until we find out his doper friend 132 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: is the one that grazed his head. I mean, he's 133 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: lying about everything. Remember even his lawyer came out and 134 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: actually said he had brain damage. He showed up in 135 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: court the next week. He didn't even have on does 136 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: he have on a band aid? That's some brain injury. 137 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: Troy Slayton. I mean, what do you need to know? 138 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: This man is lied about everything, and he's the one 139 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: that faces a pecuniary Jane money Jane with the death 140 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: of his wife and son. And now we have Dave 141 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: Mack telling us that reports are Alex Murdoch is linked 142 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: forensically physical elevens. I'm talking about fingerprints DNA to the 143 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: double murders. And now when I listen to that nine 144 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: one one call, I mean I'm taking that with a 145 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: box assault Troy Layton. 146 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: Well, we're being told that the evidence is substantial, that 147 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: it's serious, but we don't know exactly what that physical 148 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: evidence connection is yet. To Alex Murdoch, what's interesting is 149 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: that a different gun was used in each one of 150 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: the murders at the time of that double homicide that 151 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: happened at the same time. Why would somebody, why would 152 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 3: one individual use two different guns on two people at 153 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 3: the same time. It doesn't make sense. 154 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: Well, it may not make sense, but does it make 155 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: sense to murder your wife and son? Does that make 156 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: sense to you? Shroy Slaton. Criminals do all sorts of 157 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: crazy things. It's not up to a prosecutor to lurk 158 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: around inside a killer's mind and figure out why. 159 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: But things have to make sense. And the problem that 160 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 3: the prosecutors have here is they could just confuse the jury. 161 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: They're charging him right now with fifty one counts. That 162 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 3: means fifty one separate crimes and fifty one sets of 163 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: elements that a jury would have to go through to 164 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: try and condict. 165 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 5: Right. 166 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: Don't cut it yet, Troy Slaton. The current charges relate 167 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: to what the fifty one counts you're referring to, refer. 168 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: To possible embezzlement and misappropriation of funds from his grandfather 169 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: and great grandfather and father's law firms that was set 170 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: up for one hundred years and clients. 171 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: And clients who are now finding out that he apparently, 172 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: Dave Mac is there report he embezzle funds from a 173 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: client that was paraplegic and brain damaged. 174 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: Actually, he was a. 175 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 2: Young man who was death who was in a car 176 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: accident with his mother and another friend who he The 177 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: accident left him as a paraplegic and in a home, 178 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: and Murdau is alleged to have taken all of the 179 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: money over three hundred thousand dollars that was due for 180 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: the death paraplegic man's family, as well as the money 181 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 2: from his the man's mother and the other person in 182 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 2: the car, hundreds of thousands of dollars intended to go 183 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: to this family. 184 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: That was a little TMI, but I'll take it. You 185 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: can never know enough facts, Dave Mac. But what you 186 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: told me actually just made me feel a little nauseous. 187 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, the only remaining son of 188 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: convicted killer Alex Murdogg, has happiness. Buster, who endured many 189 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: many false claims that he was somehow involved in the 190 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: death of a young man in his community. Stephen Smith 191 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: has married fiancee Brooklyn White, a lawyer in South Carolina, 192 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: four years after the family double murder. The wedding was 193 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: reportedly beautiful, with fifty people attending. It looks as if 194 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: Buster Murdog's wife has chosen to take his surname on 195 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: social media. The exact date of the wedding and any 196 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: and all details were kept secret until the two officially married, 197 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: and what has been reported in a beautiful ceremony. Some 198 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: of the items we've learned about on the wedding register 199 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: a Blackstone griddle, a Yetti Tundra hard cooler, and a 200 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: Dyson Robot vacuum. The public's not really sure when the 201 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: two started dating, but it's believed they met when they 202 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: were both law students at University South Carolina Law School. Reportedly, 203 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: Brooklyn White was actually with Buster Murdoch when his father 204 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: called to tell him. Maggie and Paul had been killed. 205 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: As you recall, Murdon got two life sentences without parole 206 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: last year in the shootings. What happened direct physical evidence? 207 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: Direct evidence is like an eyewitness DNA fingerprinted. Okay. Circumstantial 208 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: evidence is you were at the scene of the crime. 209 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: You're the one that reported the murders. You're the one 210 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: that has a motive. Your glove was found there on 211 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 1: the scene. That doesn't a murder make So that's what 212 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,599 Speaker 1: we know right now. And with that as a backdrop, 213 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan and doctor Sherry Schwartz, I want you 214 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: to take to listen to more of Alex Murdog's nine 215 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: to one one call when he seemingly found his wife 216 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: and son Paul dead, shot dead behind his hunting lodge 217 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: with a Murdog gun. Take a listen to our cut 218 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: twenty six. 219 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 6: Okay, is he bringing it all? 220 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 7: No? 221 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 5: No one? 222 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 8: Okay, sell anyone in the area. 223 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 9: No, ma'am, No, ma'am. 224 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 8: That colors your house on the outside? 225 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 6: What color is your house on the outside? 226 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 5: What you can't see it from the road? 227 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 6: Okay? 228 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 8: Is it a house or mobile home? 229 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 6: It's the house? Okay? 230 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 8: What is your name? 231 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: My name for Alex Murdoch. 232 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 6: Okay, did you hear anything or did you come home 233 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 6: and find them? 234 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 5: I've been gone. 235 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 6: I just came back. 236 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 5: No, ma'am. 237 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 8: We're getting somebody out there to you. 238 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: Okay, when you listen to that, knowing what we now know? 239 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: What what I'd like to know? And I asked this 240 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: on day one to you, Joseph Scott, Morgan death investigator, 241 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: a forensics expert. How could they pluck what time? What's 242 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: my time window for the time of death? And that's 243 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: so important because Alex Murdock said that he was at 244 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: the hospital seeing his sick father, who passed away a 245 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: few days later. I need to know what time he 246 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: was there, the drive time between the hospital and the 247 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: hunting lodge, and the time of death. How do I 248 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: know Maggie and Paul weren't shot three hours before he 249 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: went to the hospital. How do I know they weren't 250 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: shot just before he called nine to one one, placing 251 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: him virtually at the scene of the crime at the 252 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: time the murders occurred. The time of death is crucial, 253 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: It's critical. What about it? Joe Scott? 254 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, we might you might not know. We might not know, 255 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 4: but slid does when they showed up at that scene, Nancy. 256 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: One of the things that they did, Carolina Law Enforcement Division, 257 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: go ahead. 258 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, they began to do a post mortem assessment of 259 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 4: the bodies. And simply what that means is they're going 260 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 4: to check for all those things we look for, Nancy, 261 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 4: the rigidity of the body, how stiff it is relative 262 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 4: to riger mortis, post mortem lividity, which is the settling 263 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 4: of blood. And also also they're going to check the 264 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 4: body temperature. Now, the reason those things are important is 265 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 4: that we can kind of theoretically tom stamp each one 266 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: of those events. So the further for instance, with algamortis 267 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 4: or the body temperature changes for the first hour after death, 268 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 4: our bodies generally lose one point five to two degrees 269 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 4: of our total core body temperature in that first hour. 270 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 4: After that it bleeds off one degree one degree for 271 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 4: twelve hours. All right, So if you think that the 272 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 4: body may have been down for I don't know, we're 273 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 4: looking maybe the body when they do the body core 274 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 4: temperature is maybe at ninety degrees. Then we could suppose 275 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 4: that perhaps these bodies had been down anywhere from seven 276 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: to eight hours at that point in time. 277 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: And Joe Scott when the algorithm you're using vary based 278 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: on the ambiant temperature. The temperature it does, it does. 279 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 4: And you know, the way I explained it is that 280 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 4: after that twelfth hour, Nancy, we become an inanimate object. 281 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 4: All of the energy we generated has burned off at 282 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 4: that point in time. 283 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: Riger mortars rigor mortars, which means stiffening of the limbs, 284 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: the libra mortise, which is the settling of the blood. 285 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is, if you die 286 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: on your back, your blood is no longer pumping through 287 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: your body and it will all settle down to the 288 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 1: lowest common denominator, like a glass of water, It all 289 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: goes to the bottom of the glass. Same thing. So 290 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: mortis mortis body temperature and what else. 291 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 4: Well, well, when we you know, obviously when they get 292 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 4: back to the more to do the autopsy, they're going 293 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 4: to look at stomach content too, and that's a measurable 294 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 4: that that moves at a measurable rate from our you know, 295 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 4: relative to our digestion. So if they ate at six 296 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 4: o'clock that night, and depended upon what they ate, you 297 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 4: can expect, you know, perhaps the stomach to have been full, 298 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 4: all right, because at that at that point in time, 299 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 4: parstolis is going to stop. The food's going to stop 300 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 4: moving through the body digestion. Yeah, and so it's gonna 301 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 4: be using medical terms. Nobody else on this panel is 302 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 4: a medical doctor. Please, regular people talk. Yeah, Well, if 303 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 4: we albody impressed. 304 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: Me, Okay, you don't have to keep trying to impress. 305 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 4: What I do want to impress though, is this this 306 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 4: idea of the settling of the blood Nancy, Because if 307 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 4: somebody monkeyed around with those bodies and move the bodies 308 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 4: around during the night. 309 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: Oh, that well, I got to write that down, Troy Slayton. 310 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back to you with that. If 311 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: the scene was staged, if the bodies had been moved, 312 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: he's down the water, I'm telling you. Because a random 313 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: killer would not think to drag the bodies around or 314 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: pose them in a certain way. That has to be 315 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: a known killer. Okay, hold on, God, that was it? 316 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: Stage to go ahead, Sorry, just scot. 317 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 4: That's all right. So you know, post mortem lividity actually 318 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 4: starts sooner than any alreadys appreciable, sooner than any of 319 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 4: these other things. So if it's say, for instance, the 320 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 4: young Mardall was laying face down. Okay, post mortem lividity 321 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 4: would have begun to be appreciable within twenty minutes of death, Nancy. 322 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 4: The question is is that after you get outside of 323 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: that four hour window and you've moved the body, it 324 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 4: no longer migrates at that time. 325 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: About coagulation of blood, if the blood had already dried 326 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: or not dried on the wounds, what would that tell you, 327 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. 328 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, because that, again, that's going to be environmentally dependent, 329 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 4: bear metric, the relative humidity and all that sort of thing. 330 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 4: It's different being outdoors, so you would have to have 331 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 4: all of that information in order to computate that. 332 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: So that's going to be less reliable. So you're thinking 333 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 1: that the physical evidence, what do you think the physical 334 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: evidence is? Could there be a fingerprint on the shell 335 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: casing on the guns? 336 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 4: You know what I think it is. Here's my big 337 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 4: reveal on this. I think this might have something to 338 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 4: do with blood stains. And the reason I think that 339 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 4: is that remember what Dave said, the young one, he 340 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 4: took two shotgun wounds, Nancy. So if you've got an individual, 341 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 4: the perpetrator, who is in a dominant position with a 342 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 4: twelve gay shotgun. I don't know if that's the gauge 343 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 4: or not. And they're standing over this individual shot in 344 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 4: the chest and the head. Guess what happens. You get 345 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 4: a dynamic event with blood staining. The higher the velocity, 346 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: the tinier the blood stain. Okay, we're talking about very fine, 347 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 4: all right, And that's going to happen with a high 348 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 4: velocity gunshot wound. So just suppose, just suppose, for instance, 349 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 4: he's kneeling over the body and he clutches his dear 350 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 4: son to his chest. That's going to be transferred blood. 351 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 4: That's going to look different to the people from the 352 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: people which slid when they see him and they take 353 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: those pictures of him at the at the lock up 354 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 4: or wherever they took him afterwards, and they take his clothes, 355 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 4: which they did, you're gonna have that fine bloods thing. 356 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist, How often have we seen 357 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: the killer state that I tried to resuscitate them. I 358 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: clutched them, I held them to my chest, I hugged them. 359 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: That's how I got the blood transfer. 360 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 8: Yes, exactly. 361 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 9: That that would probably be the natural place for him 362 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 9: to go. Something else that he says, not once, but 363 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 9: twice on that nine to one one call. That's very 364 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 9: striking to me, is I've been up to it now 365 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 9: it's bad to me. That sounds like a confession. 366 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Sports, let me ask you a question. I mean, 367 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: you're the forensic psychologist. You're the one that wrote Criminal 368 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: Behavior and where law and psychology intersect. What do you 369 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: make of a little noticed fact that Maggie Murdoch's phone 370 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: was taken from the scene and discarded out on the street. 371 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: It's a good ways I've been there from the home. 372 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: There's a really long driveway out to the road, and 373 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: you can't see the Murdog hunting Lodge as they call 374 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: it from the street. What do you make of the 375 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: fact that the killer took her phone number one and 376 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: then threw it away out on the street. I find 377 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: that to be very significant behaviorally speaking. 378 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 9: I agree that is significant behaviorally speaking. Now, he may 379 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 9: try to say, or the defense may try to say, well, 380 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 9: that was somebody running away from the crime scene with 381 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 9: this particular evidence, but then why not take other things? Really, 382 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 9: what it suggests is possibly what Joe Scott Morgan is saying, 383 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 9: that it might be somewhat of a staged crime scene 384 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 9: or you know, happened hours earlier, and so somebody took 385 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 9: the time to try to discard some of this. 386 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: Evidence that was actually mean that said that. And I'm 387 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: wondering if to me it would make more sense if, 388 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: in fact, he murdered his wife and son he did 389 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: it before the hospital visit, because how could he orchestrate 390 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: them both being there unless he planned it? And what 391 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: would be the significance of taking Maggie's cell phone unless 392 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: he wanted to erase something off the cell phone? And 393 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: exactly because this guy, doctor Sherry Schwartz, is so messed 394 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: up on drugs. I mean he's now, as you heard 395 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: defense attorney Troy Slayton state, he's got fifty one embezzlement 396 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: type counts against him right now. He's being investigated regarding 397 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: the deaths of multiple people, including a young man that 398 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: lived nearby, Stephen Smith, a housekeeper Gloria Sadderfield. His son Paul, 399 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: was involved in the death of a young girl, Mallory 400 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: Beach on the family boat. Who knows if this guy 401 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: had the wherewithal to remove fingerprints. And when you're talking 402 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: about blo blood transfer, a blood transfer to be explained 403 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: away by the defendant, saying I held him, I hug them. 404 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: I tried to perform CPR, but as Joe Scott Morgan 405 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: was talking about blood evidence, blood spatter means you were 406 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: near the body at the time of the murder. Crime 407 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace in the last days. Finally happiness 408 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: for Buster Murdoch, who endured the murder of his mother 409 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: and brother, then sat every single day through the trial 410 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: of his father, disgraced attorney Alex Murdoch, remaining loyal to 411 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: the end to his dad. Finally, happiness for this young 412 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: man who was endured so much and he got the catch. 413 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: His wife, Brooklyn, a native of Rockkill, South Carolina, went 414 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: to college in Alabama, got her degree there in political science. 415 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 1: She graduated law school University of South Carolina sometime between 416 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one. She then took a 417 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: position at a respected law firm in Hilton Head twenty 418 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: twenty one. Buster Murdock had been a law student at 419 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: USC as well. He left under a cloud, but after 420 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: the murders of his mom and brother, who knows if 421 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: he can ever bring himself to go back to law school. 422 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: He had stayed out of the public eye since his 423 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: dad was convicted for the two murders. I recalled during 424 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: the trial Brooklyn White comforting Buster as best she could 425 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: in the courtroom as the evidence poured from the witness stand. 426 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: What happened in that courtroom? 427 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 8: Okay? 428 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 6: What is her name? 429 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 5: A college Maggie and Paul Maggie? 430 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 6: Is her name? 431 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 9: Jeff, ma'am? 432 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 5: Okay, and please hurry. 433 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 8: We're getting somebody out there to you, me asking you 434 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 8: these questions. 435 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 6: Don't floating down? Okay? 436 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 8: Are you sure they're not breathing? 437 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 6: Is he moving? Now? Your son? I know you said 438 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 6: that she was shocked, but what about your son? 439 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 5: Nobody? They're not even one? 440 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 6: Always move? What is your telephone number? 441 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 2: Cama? 442 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 5: Not particularly really, no, ma'am. 443 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: Okay, okay. To Troy Slayton, we have to take into 444 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: account as we listen to this nine one one call. Now, 445 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: Alexi Murdog didn't He also called nine one one after 446 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: he was shot in the head and put up much 447 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 1: the same story that an unknown assailant had driven by 448 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: him and out of nowhere shot him in the head 449 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: and whoops, he lived? What about that? Is anybody making 450 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: that parallel? 451 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 3: We're trying to say that this is an Academy Award 452 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: winning performance. 453 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: Nancy, I'm saying it's been it was rehearsed, okay, because 454 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: didn't he wait, didn't he call nine one one when 455 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: he was shot on the side of the road Joe. 456 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 4: Scott, Yes, he did, Nancy, he sure did. And so 457 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 4: this to me, as an investigator, I'm looking at a 458 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 4: pattern developing. He got away with the first time, potentially, 459 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 4: and now he thinks he's going to get away with 460 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: it again when he's feigning this gunshot wound to the head. 461 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 4: That's some unknown perpetrator. 462 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Troy Slayton. Can't you just see a prosecutor 463 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: playing all these nine one one calls, especially the one 464 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: on the side of the road where the dope dealer 465 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: confesses reportedly that Murnod hired him to shoot him, and 466 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: here Murdod crying and carrying on on the phone just 467 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: like he's doing here. 468 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: And as a defense attorney, we would say there is 469 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 3: no playbook for the horror that a. 470 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: Come up with something new. Oh, I want to beat 471 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: my head against the wall. 472 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: You say that every time, would express once they find 473 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: some sort of horrific situation like his wife and child 474 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: being killed. 475 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: But he sounds the same way in his own nimal 476 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: one call when he stays just shooting. 477 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 7: On himself, same thing, all that breathing and the gulping 478 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 7: and the whining, same exact thing. 479 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: Let's go back to the staging of the scene. 480 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna lie, it's something you want to talk about. 481 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 9: Go ahead. 482 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear this. 483 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: So if there's physical evidence that bodies were moved from 484 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: the place where the murders happened so that way they 485 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: look like something else, then yes. And if somehow Alex 486 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 3: Murdoch is connected to that movement of the bodies, that 487 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: would be really damning evidence for him that big I 488 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: would be. 489 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: A big whoopsie for you to explain the next time 490 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: we talk about this, wouldn't it. I'm less unless. 491 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 3: Moving the body in order to perform some sort of 492 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 3: life saving measure, moving the body in order to perform 493 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 3: CPR or to try and resuscitate them. 494 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: See, that's why you make all that money, because you 495 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: just spun that out of thin air like rumpel Stilskin. 496 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you just spun it into gold. Amazing, amazing 497 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: what you just did right there, Guys, with all the 498 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: knowledge we now are amassing. I'm really interested in these 499 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: nine to one one calls. Take a listen to Alex 500 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: Murdog in our cut twenty eight. 501 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 8: Have you ever since you've got on the phone with me, 502 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 8: I have multiple people coming out there to you. 503 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 6: Okay. I don't want you to touch them at all. Okay, 504 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 6: I don't. I don't know if you've already touched them, 505 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 6: and I don't. 506 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 8: I don't want you to touch them just in case 507 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 8: they can get any kind of evidence. 508 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm all in such and time to get to 509 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 4: see if they were breathing. 510 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 8: Okay, Well, I just don't want you to move anything, 511 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 8: just in case they can get any kind of evidence. 512 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 6: Okay, Oh. 513 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I'm gonna call. 514 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 6: I need to call some of my family. Okay, Well, 515 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 6: will there be a favor for me whenever you see 516 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 6: the officer or the Meddix, because. 517 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 8: They're they're all coming to you. 518 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 6: Absolutely, okay, but we have them come in. Turn on 519 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 6: the flashes on your vehicle so they can see you. Okay, 520 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 6: you got the flashes on for me? 521 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: Wow? He sure calms down pretty quickly, did you hear that? 522 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 523 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: I got them on. I'm calling my family. I call 524 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: my lawyer and calling my dope dealer. So okay, let 525 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: me go back to you. Dave Mack joining us Crime 526 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, tell me again the report 527 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: that there is direct physical evidence linking him Alex Murdog 528 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,479 Speaker 1: to the double murders. 529 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: At least one of the weapons used in the double 530 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: homicide belonged to the murdav family. We know that law 531 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: enforcement impounded a twenty twenty one Chevy Suburban registered to 532 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: the Murdad law firm from the scene. We know that 533 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: deputies found shellcasing at the scene. This is a report 534 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: from fitz News. SLED agents requested the Sheriff's deputy search 535 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 2: the area near the crime seemper video surveillance systems on 536 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 2: the morning after the murged. Don't know what they found there. 537 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: On June sixteenth, SLED agents, we're collecting evidence in a 538 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 2: swampy area near the Skahatchie River, about two miles south 539 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 2: of Mozelle and Maggie. Murdaw's cell phone was found along 540 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: a rural South Carolina road just outside the family seventeen 541 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 2: hundred acre hunting lodge the day after the murder. 542 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: Straight out to Donna Sherry Schwartz, forensic psychologist, joining us 543 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: not to Sherry, how do you analyze what you heard 544 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: on the NAIM one call? 545 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 9: Well, I mean, there's so many things, right, I mean, 546 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 9: he's he starts off, he's very emotional, he's crying, he's 547 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 9: gasping for air, and then, as you pointed out at 548 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 9: the end, it's very calm. A matter of fact, it's 549 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 9: very striking to me that in the midst of this 550 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 9: horror and waiting for first responders, he needs to get 551 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 9: off the phone to contact family. I mean, you know, 552 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 9: have you given up totally? 553 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 6: You know, who are you calling? 554 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 9: What family do you need to contact? 555 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 6: And why at this moment? 556 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 9: You know, how are you gathering your. 557 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 6: Thoughts in that way? 558 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 9: And he also says, you know that he did touch 559 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 9: them to see if they were breathing, but he doesn't 560 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 9: mention anything about trying to render aid. 561 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: Well wishers including crime stories wish Alex Murdoch's son Buster 562 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: Murdoch and his new wife happiness as they try to 563 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: forge a new life. His father, Alex Murdoch, behind bars 564 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: for two life without parole sentences, and the murders of 565 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: wife Maggie and son Paul. Alex Murdoch now appealing those convictions. 566 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. 567 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:43,879 Speaker 7: Goodbye friend,