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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season eight, episode four

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Speaker 1: of DOS Daily's Eight Guys. We're November thirty, two thousand seventeen.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien, a K Action Jackson more

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Speaker 1: like in action. Jack's dumb. Really gotta start paying. The

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Speaker 1: guy who reads my k is more and I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by my co host, Mr Miles. Great, that's right at

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Speaker 1: your boy. Fill in a k A here because somebody

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Speaker 1: hit me with some a ks on Twitter and maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll use one, but also shout out to people who

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Speaker 1: have been so kind to us on Instagram, like Jordan

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Speaker 1: O'Neil nin Josh. I see you guys out there. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for your kind words. I think there's another guy

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Speaker 1: named Alexander from Australia. Yo. I'm so glad we're internationally.

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Speaker 1: Keep listening, Keep telling your friends, your countrymen about our show,

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Speaker 1: because women's it's implied. Miles, come on, okay, archy is

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Speaker 1: alive and here uh uh, and we are thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined in our third seat by the hilarious comedian

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Speaker 1: and writer Binyam Bazuna. Hello, man oh man, I'm doing

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Speaker 1: so good. Thank you for giving me all these nuts.

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Speaker 1: And LUKOI so at home. Thank you so much. And

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Speaker 1: that was kind of out of context. Check out my

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Speaker 1: I G story and you will know what he's talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about planters, nuts, planters nuts. Just for people

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Speaker 1: who don't know what this man consumed so many nuts

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Speaker 1: and nut products. He has a Nature Valley peanut butter bar.

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Speaker 1: I think he had to BAGOTINU bagcash shoes and three lacroix.

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Speaker 1: Your metabolism must be creezy way man, I I have

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Speaker 1: to keep eating or I'll die. It's a crazy weirdness.

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Speaker 1: I can hear that's a problem with most people. Yeah, damn,

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Speaker 1: I'm addicted three times a day. It's crazy. What's something

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Speaker 1: from your search history that is revealing about who you

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Speaker 1: are as a human being? Okay, so I'm someone that

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Speaker 1: likes to believe in, uh be unknown and you know

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Speaker 1: things that people might think are a little more out there.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I'm super obsessed with Elon Musk right now.

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Speaker 1: And you know how he has that whole thing where

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Speaker 1: he's like, the chances that we're not living in a

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Speaker 1: simulation are a billy into one. And he's supposedly like

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Speaker 1: one of the smartest people in the world and his

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Speaker 1: whole thing was like, if you look at video games

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Speaker 1: from they all look like block graphics and they suck.

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Speaker 1: And then you look at video games today, they look

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Speaker 1: like way better and closer to reality. So if we

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Speaker 1: assume any rate of improvement, eventually the graphics are gonna

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Speaker 1: look indistinguishable from reality. And what we're betting on is

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Speaker 1: that if this has happened even once, then that means

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Speaker 1: that they've created a simulation of this. And so he

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Speaker 1: says that the chances that this is not a simulation

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Speaker 1: and this has not happened before or a billion to one, wow,

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Speaker 1: oh man, you dropped your tunefotol hat over so so so,

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Speaker 1: so I'm constantly looking for like low glitches you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe this is a simulation. Okay, So it's interesting. It's

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Speaker 1: also interesting because if you think about like they're going

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Speaker 1: how you can dream like the movie Inception talks about this,

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Speaker 1: but you can dream like a three hour adventure in

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Speaker 1: like ten minutes. Like they're gonna figure that shut out

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Speaker 1: once they like figure the mind out, like they don't

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Speaker 1: know ship. So basically, I'm always looking for little glitch things,

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Speaker 1: and so I was kind of half watching this football

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Speaker 1: game over the break, and it was like, I want

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Speaker 1: to say Lions versus Vikings, okay, And I was making

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Speaker 1: stuffing as this was happening, and I kept hearing them

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Speaker 1: say Golden State, Golden State's doing pretty good. Let Golden State.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, what the funk? I know Golden

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Speaker 1: I asked my brother, I'm like, you sure this is

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Speaker 1: oh no, there's a player named Golden Tate that plays

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I still think it's a simulation. Wrong.

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Speaker 1: It does seem like a name that someone made up

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Speaker 1: after like watching a Warriors game, being like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's the wide receiver Golden If Golden Tate. If he's

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Speaker 1: from the Bay Area, you know that's the thing. You're like,

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Speaker 1: you know you could name your kid if last name state?

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Speaker 1: was cold. That's Indianapoli skuld. Yeah. Yeah, he's a great

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Speaker 1: he's a great baseball player. It's a guy from India

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Speaker 1: and Naples, Italy, Indianapoli cut. All right, what's something you

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Speaker 1: In and Out is overrated. Okay, people are gonna call

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Speaker 1: It's like like I think you add a little bit

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Speaker 1: that's added going in mentally, so then you imagine that

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Speaker 1: it's like so much better. But I haven't had McDonald's

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Speaker 1: these thin patties. It's like whatever, it's fine. The burgers

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Speaker 1: themselves and in and Out so In and Out has

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Speaker 1: And they have an advantage that they're in California, where

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Speaker 1: all the produce is super fresh grown, like right down

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Speaker 1: to me from other fast food hamburgers, whereas like shake Shack,

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Speaker 1: you taste their hamburgers, their hamburgers are fucking amazing. Shake

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Speaker 1: Shack itself is incredible. Even five guys way better. I

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Speaker 1: think five guys is good. No, not to say that

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Speaker 1: in and Out is the best burger of the things

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Speaker 1: that are called like ship with a drive through. In

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Speaker 1: and Out is better than McDonald's. It's better than when

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Speaker 1: the meat itself, you think the meat tastes better than well,

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Speaker 1: that they salt the ship out of it, which is

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Speaker 1: what their secret is. When people are like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: it's so good, it's just because you're eating so much

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Speaker 1: They're just salting. They're just salting it. But again, I

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Speaker 1: don't know to say that it's like similar to McDonald's. Again,

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Speaker 1: as a valley boy eight one day proud native, I'm

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Speaker 1: everyone's opinions. You're the guest on the show, and you know,

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Speaker 1: how dare you come on the show talking? You know,

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Speaker 1: I was I was to do like one of those

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Speaker 1: like uh commercial fake taste test things where they're like,

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Speaker 1: think that maybe that's a future episode. It would be

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Speaker 1: the great transplant comedian blind taste tests of hamburgers. We'll

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Speaker 1: get a shake shack, we'll get a five guys Wendy's

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Speaker 1: will be able to tell because the square what'll be blind?

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Speaker 1: It'll be yeah, and one of them will feed somebody

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Speaker 1: ship what's something? He thanks under written? Um, okay, so

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Speaker 1: this show is super popular now, so I think, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. Most people know about it Riverdale anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what were you saying? My man? This show, Bobby, probably,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what You're right popular, but I don't

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Speaker 1: W Riverdale, which is the reimagining of Archie comics as

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Speaker 1: they turned Archie in a pretty little liars fuck this ship.

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Speaker 1: I am not watching this. They didn't even have a

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Speaker 1: and you know, like I was thinking all this and um,

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Speaker 1: I after because I was a huge Archie fan growing up.

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Speaker 1: like can I get recently, Like, mom, let me get

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Speaker 1: that new Jugead digest. I was I was like reading

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Speaker 1: I watched it and I was like, Wow, they did

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Speaker 1: a good job. This is like a good murder mystery thing,

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Speaker 1: like take away. The Archie stuff is just kind of

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Speaker 1: My girlfriend watches it? And when I saw that, I

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Speaker 1: shows where like grown adult male teachers had sex with

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Speaker 1: You see episode thirty six Seinfeld? It was yeah, so

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Speaker 1: and actually Taylor apparently watches it. She's one of the

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Speaker 1: smartest people I know, and your girlfriends one of the

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Speaker 1: smartest people I know. So apparently Riverdale is like the

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Speaker 1: new worm. It's smart? Is it because it's smart or

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Speaker 1: just good entertain See you guys are making a lot

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Speaker 1: it's like, um, it is not like watching Uh what's

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Speaker 1: House of Cards? I guess it's gone now. People like

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Speaker 1: Black Mirror? Yeah, like or like like Black Mirror, Like

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Speaker 1: I like Ozark, that's like a show to watch it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It's not intellectually smart, but it is like brand it's

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Speaker 1: just candy kind of. It's like when Scandal used to

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Speaker 1: because yeah it's a it's a soap opera kind of

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Speaker 1: with like better production. I used to be this way

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Speaker 1: with Gossip Girl. Yeah, it's like that, I'm sure. Also

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Speaker 1: other thing, Jaden Smith's music. Everyone sleeps on Jaden because

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Speaker 1: lot of migrant workers from West Africa they traveled to

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Speaker 1: through Libya to try and get to Europe, and it's

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Speaker 1: a very complicated issue where they're the European Union, it

425
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Speaker 1: like wants to have these people detained before they're able

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Speaker 1: to get there, which is what's causing these this detention

427
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Speaker 1: of people and then some are being sold into slavery.

428
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Speaker 1: It's a very big issue as well that you know,

429
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Speaker 1: people need to be aware of because again it's so

430
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Speaker 1: easy to lose track of this when we have to

431
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: talk about President Hitler, ash Trump trying to you know,

432
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Speaker 1: co sign the Britain First Movement and all these other things.

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Speaker 1: So in a good piece of news, the guy who

434
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Speaker 1: said Hitler was chill got fired from his job. Yeah,

435
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: so that was good. Yeah, this guy from the New

436
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Speaker 1: York Times profile this is a related Hitler news, but

437
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Speaker 1: it's personal news. Like I saw this. So I was

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Speaker 1: getting back from visiting my brother's family, um like two

439
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Speaker 1: days ago in l a X. And I was coming

440
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 1: down the place where you go to baggage claim and

441
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: they had this big Daddy's home to thing like everywhere

442
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: and it was like more Daddy's more problems Daddy's home too.

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Speaker 1: And then they get to the part where it's the

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Speaker 1: pictures of all the four actors and on the mail

445
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: gifts and someone drew a Hitler must that noise. It

446
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: was hilarious. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be

447
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: right back, and we're back. Um, So, speaking of none

448
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: of that, Uh, you know, there's so much news. We

449
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 1: wanted to take a step back and just kind of

450
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Speaker 1: look at the fabric of our sort of existence in

451
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: the in the modern media environment. And you know, Facebook

452
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: is one of the main ways that we experience reality

453
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Speaker 1: these days. I mean that's never been the case for me,

454
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Speaker 1: because you know, I was running Cracked when Facebook became

455
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: a thing, and so Facebook was always just worked for me.

456
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: It was just like how we distributed our content. But

457
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: by the end of running Cracks, Uh, you know, Facebook

458
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: was the way that we distributed our content. It was

459
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: just like that, we got more traffic from Facebook than

460
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 1: you know, anywhere else. It was like, that's how people existed.

461
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 1: And I've read a profile of the two thousand sixteen

462
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Speaker 1: election that just explains, you know, how negligent Facebook was

463
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: and just how incredibly powerful the you know, structure of

464
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Speaker 1: Facebook being able to like put everybody in their own

465
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Speaker 1: sort of curated algorithmically curated, not like hand curated uh,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, media bubble just made it possible for you know,

467
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Speaker 1: that this election to happen, and uh, for you know,

468
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: the country to grow further and further apart until where

469
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: we are where we are. Um, so, you know, people

470
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: have been talking a lot about how to fix this,

471
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Speaker 1: like how how do we address this? Because Facebook is

472
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: at this point probably the most powerful entity maybe on Earth,

473
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Speaker 1: on Earth, maybe in the history of Earth. I don't know,

474
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: it's they determined so much. And I mean so we

475
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Speaker 1: had our writer Sam Rabman take a kind of deep

476
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: dive into this, and he brought out some really good

477
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Speaker 1: points from uh, you know, other journalists, but he was,

478
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Speaker 1: you know, saying, it's inseparable from our lives. And at

479
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Speaker 1: this point, it's kind of insane to have the control

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Speaker 1: over something that is basically how people experience their lives

481
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Speaker 1: like all around the world, even though like even though

482
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Speaker 1: a lot of young people and probably a lot of

483
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: our listeners maybe have are like, oh Facebook's old, and

484
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: like we we don't pay, we don't use Facebook anymore,

485
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: we use Instagram. Like on a global scale, Facebook is

486
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Speaker 1: how people experience the world and it is being controlled

487
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Speaker 1: by a guy who developed it out of an app

488
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Speaker 1: to rate how hot girls were his freshman year at

489
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Speaker 1: Harvard like that, he just you know, it's he He's

490
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: obviously very bright and knows how to you know, do

491
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: programming and ship like that, but like he also is

492
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Speaker 1: now one of the most powerful people in the history

493
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Speaker 1: of the world, and you know, his skill set does

494
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: not in any way prepare him to do that. Yeah,

495
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: because again, it was like a way to connect, to

496
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Speaker 1: get a way to get familiar, and that at first

497
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Speaker 1: that was like the golden era. I feel like a

498
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: Facebook was like, Wow, I found people from my old

499
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Speaker 1: elementary school that live across the country now. And yeah,

500
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Speaker 1: over time, like not even the guy who wanted to

501
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Speaker 1: just make his creepy app from his dorm room could

502
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Speaker 1: have realized that we have now really grown not like

503
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: dependent on it in some ways, dependent on it at

504
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: least to communicate in some ways. But it again, yeah,

505
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: it's much bigger than I think even he could have

506
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Speaker 1: imagined at this point. And now we're in that place

507
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Speaker 1: where like what what do we Oh, Yeah, it's getting

508
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: to the level of have you guys read that Ready

509
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: Player one book that's been made into a movie. I

510
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: haven't read it, but it's all about how like eventually

511
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: there will be this thing that's like it's your Facebook.

512
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: It's your it's the way you sign up, it's the

513
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: way you vote, it's the way it's like everything, and

514
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: it's an online portal, but it's also VR. And now

515
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: that Facebook owns like Oculus, it's going to turn into

516
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: that where it's just like you you fucking put on

517
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: your Oculus and then you're in Facebook land and you

518
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: just like you do everything there. You send letters, you

519
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: do your email like and that's it's getting to that point. Well,

520
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: especially too because now like they're even developing stuff for

521
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: like when disasters happen, like you can it can immediately

522
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: like just sort of connect people in those areas like yeah,

523
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: there's infrastructure there that we do depend on, right, And

524
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think what we've seen at this point,

525
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: from from the last year at least, is that we

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00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: cannot count on these companies to change on their own.

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00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: I think that was the idea before is we took naively.

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00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: We were naive as fun, but we took like Google

529
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: being like, oh, our our philosophy is do no evil,

530
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: and we were like cool Google, Cool guys, we can

531
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: just like not pay attention, Google is going to be

532
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: cool from now on. Uh, and that that's just not

533
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: the case. Like, they are companies who have one legal obligation,

534
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: and it is to make as much money as possible

535
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: for their shareholders. That is their only legal obligation. And

536
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: to make any decision that is contrary to that is

537
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: actually like illegal. They're not allowed to do that. So

538
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: all they're doing is trying to create something that is

539
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: going to draw users in and make users, you know,

540
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: give their advertisers money. Essentially, they're not in it to

541
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: you know, help the democratic process. Mark Zuckerberg got so

542
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: deep into claiming that like he had the nation's best

543
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: interest at heart. In the last year that people thought

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00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: he was going to run for president. It was like,

545
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, that would be a step down for him

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00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: in terms of power if he like, you know, to

547
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: step down from Facebook to to become president, because right

548
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: now he's world God. Right. Have you seen this new

549
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: tool that Facebook's can offer where it will allow you

550
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: to see if you got duped by fake Russian accounts? No,

551
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: that's great, it says a Facebook says, creating an online

552
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: tool that will show you if you liked or followed

553
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: fake Russian accounts spreading disinformation during the twenty sixteen presidential

554
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: election on Facebook or Instagram. Do you think many people

555
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: will use that though, because every like now, I wasn't

556
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: stupid enough to get But I don't think so. I

557
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: don't think so. I think it's just ways for like facebooks,

558
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: just trying to be transparent kind of. But yeah, but

559
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: like it had been opened, yeah, right, And when we

560
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: talk about the ways that Facebook is affecting people's lives

561
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: and you know, perceptions of reality, uh, and problems with that,

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00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: it's actually not like a single thing, you know, like

563
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: when I hear, you know, problem with Facebook, I immediately

564
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: go to Russian bots and ship like that. But there's

565
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: so many dear for ways that Facebook can be manipulated,

566
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: Like they're advertising. I think it was pro Publica just

567
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: like bought real estate ads that were like exclude people

568
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: of color or based on race or ethic, like, yeah,

569
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: you can, and you can because all the information is there, right,

570
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: so they yeah, they said we don't want this advertisement

571
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: to reach Jews, people of color, mothers of high school students,

572
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: which was weird, but I guess it's because high school

573
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: students are gonna you know, be loud or like stay

574
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: up late. But so they all all of these are

575
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: legally protected groups. You can't right exactly exclude them. And

576
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: when you're you know, selling real estate, but Facebook was

577
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: like oops, oh yeah, WHOA didn't realize you could use

578
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: that for that right essentially, or like have ads like

579
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: use things like we only want to serve our ads

580
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: to literally, like I think that was in that same

581
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: study or a previous one that said they could find

582
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: anyone who had jew hater in their profile and then

583
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: be like, that's who I want to talk to. So

584
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of like like so people kind of have

585
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: done this forever. Like let's say you want to run

586
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: an ad during Empire, it means you're trying to target

587
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: black people between this age and this age. But if

588
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: you specifically say it, that's when it's getting weird. I guess, Well,

589
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's I guess in one sense, but

590
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: it's I think it's when you do it for these

591
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: means that are technically illegal, or you're or you're spreading

592
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: a very damaging like you know message by like like

593
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: hate ads that are looking for people who have like

594
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: an anti Semitic bias or something like that right, And

595
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: nobody would ever by Facebook ads just to target black people.

596
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: They would by Facebook ads to target black people who

597
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: are Arsenal fans and live in the Los Angeles area,

598
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: you like, get targeted. That's what That's why Facebook is

599
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: so incredibly powerful is you can find the people that

600
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: you need to find that they know so much about

601
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, your likes and preferences. And that's also why

602
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. Is that's why you know, nobody realized

603
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: what was happening during the two thousand sixteen election because

604
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't happening to all of us. It was happening

605
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: to individuals, and everybody was experiencing reality in their own way.

606
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: So you know, yes, the media was in their own bubble,

607
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: but that's because they were existing in a reality, like

608
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: a hyper reality on the Internet where they had a

609
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: completely different experience from other people. And I mean that's

610
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: not to excuse it, but that is what made it possible.

611
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, when we were unaware of that too, or

612
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: just how much the reality can be distorted or differ

613
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: from person. This is like you kind of had mentioned

614
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: this before. We were like there's a lot of young

615
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: people who say, like I don't use Facebook anymore, Facebook

616
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: slam or whatever. And to to quote someone who's uh

617
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: going to offer an opinion of how people don't use

618
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: Facebook anymore? Chief Keief just posted this Instagram thing that

619
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: I was trying to find the screenshot, but I remember it.

620
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: Basically it was someone trying to act like him on

621
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: Facebook messaging, someone being like, yo, come through, and his

622
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: caption was like, uh, if anyone ever tries to come

623
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: at you like this, nood ait me what kind of bomass?

624
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: And they gotta look like using Facebook. And that's like,

625
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: that's what a lot of people think about it. So

626
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, in the future, is it really going to

627
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: have as much power if this whole generation of people

628
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: are like, we don't funk with it. But I use

629
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: Instagram though, right right, right, yeah, And I think it'll

630
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: just shift. I mean, we're just there if if it's

631
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: not Facebook, it's Twitter. If it's not Twitter, it's Snapchat,

632
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: it's not Snapchat in Instagram and even But that's not

633
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: to say that outside of maybe this small group or

634
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: subset of people, there are still billions of people who

635
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: use Facebook and aren't on that who are just like, yeah,

636
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: that's how I get my news. That's how I yeah,

637
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: ingest information. If you're just on Facebook and you go

638
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: to a page that has a Facebook like button on it,

639
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: Facebook checks that off. They know that you've been to

640
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: that page. That goes into their database. They're constantly aware

641
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: of you without you even like without you doing anything.

642
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: You don't have to like it, you just have to

643
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: be on that page. And it's like the thing like

644
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: if you if you just have it running in the

645
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: background and you go to all these other websites, that

646
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: turns that too. And then again because Instagram and Facebook

647
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: are one of the same, then you also get those

648
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: crazy ads and you're like, I was just talking about

649
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: this ship. My friend was just telling me about this

650
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: where like I think it's I don't know if this

651
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: is the thing you lopped into in Facebook or it's

652
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: an iTunes thing you opt into, but it's in terms

653
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: of service thing that you can opt out of, but

654
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: you have to like try to opt out of it.

655
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: And basically it has the authorization to be listening to

656
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: your microphone when you're just talking and like, you know

657
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: how everyone says that thing of like I was just

658
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: talking about this, like that's real. I guess yeah, and

659
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: I like, even if you're turning your microphone off, they

660
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: are creating such a detailed profile of you, just in

661
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: ways that we're not aware of, even if they're not listening,

662
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: like doing ship that's like bugging you. Like it's just

663
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: they have so many data sets. Uh. I heard somebody

664
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: on the radio recently say that credit card companies no

665
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: longer consider themselves, you know, financial lenders or whatever they

666
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: used to consider themselves. They consider themselves data miners because

667
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: they are just the way that they're actually making most

668
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: of their money is by collecting information about your purchase

669
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: habits and selling that information off your who buys that? Oh,

670
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: it's the most valuable things right now? Like an advertising

671
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: firm like several that are here in Los Angeles would

672
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: go to MasterCard or something and be like can I

673
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: buy this buying history or an HCDD to figure out like, oh,

674
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: like what are what's the most common purchase amongst like

675
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: affluent millennials based on you know what their income in

676
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: because you're their bank and you know what they're spending

677
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: their money on. I really want to know like the

678
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: figures for that, Like how much does Facebook or like

679
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: Visa charge to sell information? Is it by like we

680
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: want to buy black people's information? Ship Like, is it

681
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: like that they segment it off like that. I have

682
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: no idea, Yeah I don't, But they make a lot

683
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: of their money by doing that. Yeah, I've heard Facebook, sure,

684
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: And that's how Google makes their money as well too,

685
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: like that you get Gmail for free and we sell

686
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: your info. So that's the trade, right, you know what

687
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know how people started doing the thing

688
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: where they put the black tape over their camera and

689
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: all that. I'm kind of of the mind of like

690
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: they have so much on me already that if they

691
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: wanted to ruin me, they could. So it's like I

692
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: don't even care anymore. I'm not trying to keep anything secret.

693
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, if they decide that they want to

694
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: leak my dick pics or whatever they want to do,

695
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: it's over. So like I'm just gonna live open. I

696
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: think that's the way a lot of people think these days,

697
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: is like, you know, if I'm not doing anything so bad,

698
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: if I'm not a terrorist, then you know, it's not

699
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: that dangerous. And that's kind of how I always felt.

700
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: I felt like, uh, you know, I'm right on that

701
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: edge between Like I was born in eighties, so like

702
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: I know the like paranoid way that people were before,

703
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: where they were like, you gotta protect your privacy. And

704
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: I also know how like people who are a little

705
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: bit younger than they are just like who gives a

706
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: ship like my fun my privacy? Like as long as

707
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: if it just like gives me ads for ship that

708
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: I already like, that's great. But the fact that we're

709
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: living in these mediated, little like bubbles of existence is

710
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: it's just now dawning on me, Like how dangerous that

711
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: can actually be? That and the fact that we actually

712
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: can't see Like there's this Atlantic article that was like

713
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: on Facebook, the campaigns could show adds only to the

714
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: people they targeted. We couldn't actually see the messages they

715
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: were reaching people in battleground areas from the outside. It

716
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: was a technical impossibility to know what ads were running

717
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: on Facebook, one that the company had fought to keep intact.

718
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: So is the nightmare situation that somehow this information falls

719
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: into the wrong hands or is used to like blackmail people,

720
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: Like is that like we're living in the nightmare such

721
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: a wation because that information was used by fucking Cambridge

722
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: Analytica to get Donald Trump elected. I think is I mean,

723
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: that's that's a strong statement, but that's sort of how

724
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: they did. They buy it from somewhere like they got okay,

725
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: and it's you're basically just getting gas lit because they

726
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: can present you with a reality through social media, targeting you,

727
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: knowing like you know, what you're more inclined to believe

728
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: or what your ideology is, and begin sort of twisting

729
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: your perception of what the how the world is actually operating,

730
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: which you can tell like through depending on like you know,

731
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: when you see all like with the all the Russia

732
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: stuff in the election, they were affecting physical space through

733
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: the Internet by you know, agitating people who have like

734
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: an anti Muslim, anti immigrant bias and then people who

735
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: have a pro immigrant, pro Islam bias or just inclusive

736
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: bias and being like, oh well, there's gonna be a

737
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: ratley here, like let's get these people fighting. Like they're

738
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: already manipulating people. They're moving people around in physical space

739
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: through the Internet, which I think can be I think that,

740
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, guess the next Night mercenario is like when

741
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: people are like truly there's like a catastrophic loss of

742
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: life but I mean ship if if you're already being

743
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: able to stirre s it up digitally and affect physical space,

744
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: I think that is a night mercenary. Yeah, that makes sense.

745
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: I didn't think about the cameradge analytical thing. That's such

746
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: a good point. I saw this article. My friend sent

747
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: it to me. It's a vanity fa ratical. It's called

748
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: the End of the Social Ray can't come soon enough,

749
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: and the basic premises it seems increasingly likely that our

750
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: society will one day view our infatuation with Twitter, Facebook,

751
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: whatever like a passing, often destructive fad um. But the

752
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: problem I think with this is that this was written

753
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: by someone who is old enough to remember a time

754
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: before we had those things, and they can envision a

755
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: time without it. But I think for all these kids

756
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: who grew up with this, their brains are literally wired differently.

757
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: I think that, like you were saying, even if they

758
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: stop using Twitter, Facebook and Instagram, there's always gonna be

759
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: that need for a different thing. I don't think anyone

760
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: can just cold turkey not use social media. I mean

761
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote that, Nick Builton, he is like

762
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: an expert in Twitter, and I used to actually work

763
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: with him a fanity fair like really super smart guy.

764
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: But that's true, Like even for people like me born

765
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: in the eighties, I knew I used dial up phones,

766
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: I had dial up Internet. I remember the Internet was

767
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: a like a new thing that we weren't quite sure of.

768
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: And I also know how to live without it because

769
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: I experienced life in an era where there was no Internet.

770
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: Now can you say that that can be said for

771
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: kids who are growing up now, who have only known

772
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: the Internet, who have only known social media? Like what

773
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: I I know a lot of young people who have

774
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: tried to quit Facebook, like it's a drug, and so

775
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: I do think that there's at least some awareness that

776
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: it is a vice, which like even when you know,

777
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: my younger cousins were like, yeah, to quit Facebook, Like

778
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: that didn't totally scan me because like you know, I

779
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't been deeply involved enough to understand like why

780
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: it was problematic, But yeah, they talked about that a lot.

781
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: In this article, there's a lot of quotes from people

782
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: who actually worked at Twitter and Facebook who've left, who

783
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: are now like I feel guilty. Uh, we were creating

784
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: this as a drug because the whole thing was that

785
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: it gives you this dopemane response and it's designed to

786
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: be like that, and so they're saying they're off it

787
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: and done with it. But yeah, I don't it'd be

788
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 1: it'd be very hard for enough people to be self

789
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: aware enough to be like, you know what, I have

790
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: to back out. No, I think I think it needs

791
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: to come from the government because the companies aren't going

792
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: to change it. The people are like, there's not gonna

793
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: be a big enough mass movement. I think there's going

794
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: to need to be a movement like the you know,

795
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: populist progressive movement in the early twentieth century against you know,

796
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: the big robber barons. That's how like the next generation

797
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: is probably going to have to treat the I mean,

798
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: this comes along with like the whole like free internet

799
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: whatever type ship that's happening right now works. So it

800
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: was like if you put in any sort of regulations

801
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: like that, that would almost be like doing what the

802
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: FCC is trying to do right now. It's and like

803
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: as somebody who like is kind of on that border,

804
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: you know the fact that the FCC like used to

805
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: be like the big thing that they were known for.

806
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: In my mind before this was flipping out when Janet

807
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: Jackson's nipple was exposed in the Super Bowl, and like

808
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: that is so ridiculous that they were worried about people

809
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: experiencing a nipple. But like now, like that, so they

810
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: were trying to mediate people's experience, like away from having

811
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: to experience like seeing somebody's nipple. Like now they're just

812
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: letting everything. There's so many different people experiencing so many

813
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: different things that are completely outside of the control of

814
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: any anyone really, So our solution for all of this is,

815
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: we don't fucking know. Man, somebody is smarter than me.

816
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: Uh needs to start working on this ship. Yeah, I

817
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: guess being aware of it has at least seemed helpful

818
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: for me, being aware that I'm living a completely mediated,

819
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: algorithmically curated experience in a way, a simulation, right exactly,

820
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: back I should doing back to Golden Tates and Harold

821
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take a quick break and we're back,

822
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: all right. So we wanted to go out on a

823
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: little bit of a lighter thing. Uh, Hey, what's that O. J.

824
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 1: Simpson fellow been up to since he got out of prison.

825
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: Everybody was like following him when he got out of prison,

826
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: and then he was like, come on, guys, please leave

827
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: me alone. And I guess they did because he's just

828
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: been off the radar, and our writer Jan McNabb decided,

829
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: let me take a quick google and see what see

830
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: what he's been doing. And yo, he is like he

831
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: is out here just you know, getting into trouble. He's

832
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: been like banned from a couple of bars for like

833
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: just being unruly. Like you know, he is not acting

834
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: like he's worried about going back to prison. Uh. He

835
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: also great detail is what what did he go as

836
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: for Halloween? Yeah, trick or treaters come to his house,

837
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: they open the door. It's o J as o J

838
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: but pre murder o J. He's like a Buffalo bill scene.

839
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, guys, he like the costume before everyone's

840
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: like I don't know who you are? Yeah, right, exactly

841
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: the kids but it was wild like yeah, like like

842
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: parents were like, oh this is great, like and having

843
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: like posing for pictures and stuff like it's crazy. It's

844
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: really true, like you know o J. Really I don't

845
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: even know. I don't even get it. Like he transcends

846
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: the law, he transcends race. People just like forget I

847
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: guess because he was a naked gun and like did

848
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Speaker 1: like a Hurts commercial, Like they're like great. I honestly

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Speaker 1: think people are like that, like especially with our air

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Speaker 1: now of like Instagram likes being currenci. It's like even

851
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Speaker 1: if you hate someone and they're the worst, Like if

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Speaker 1: someone saw if you saw Hitler, you would get a

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Speaker 1: selfie with Hitler. People would do right. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's always been the case. I mean that that was

855
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Speaker 1: one of the great things about that about Hitler, about

856
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Speaker 1: that he was always down for herself and he the guy.

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Speaker 1: He was more moderate than people have createful now some

858
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Speaker 1: of those O j documentaries, Uh, just seeing the people

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Speaker 1: as he's like on the like driving around during the

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Speaker 1: Bronco chase, like with the signs being like go o

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Speaker 1: J go, like because he's famous and that's all they

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Speaker 1: gave a ship about and like they didn't care that

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Speaker 1: he was Yeah, basically coming out admitting his guilt at

864
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Speaker 1: having like nearly beheaded someone. Um, so what else is

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Speaker 1: going on? He's out here signing memorabilia yep, like and

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Speaker 1: Fred Goldman is not happy about that because O j

867
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Speaker 1: Oh was quite a bit of money to that family

868
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Speaker 1: because of the death of Ron Goldman the wrongful death suit,

869
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Speaker 1: the one place he was found guilty that there is

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Speaker 1: some justice in that. Uh. You know, he was found

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Speaker 1: guilty of wrongful death uh and has been needing to

872
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Speaker 1: pay Ron Goldman's family ever since. It's so weird. So

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Speaker 1: he got I knew about this, but I didn't know

874
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Speaker 1: what would the like happened afterwards. So he got found

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Speaker 1: guilty of wrongful death and just had to pay money,

876
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Speaker 1: didn't jail time, right exactly, it's a civil suit. It's

877
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Speaker 1: the difference between like being you know, the state coming

878
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Speaker 1: at you and being like we're gonna lock you up,

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Speaker 1: and then a person a person being like, hey, you

880
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Speaker 1: killed someone the highest level of judge judy and they

881
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Speaker 1: were like you have to pay this dude until you're

882
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Speaker 1: no longer here essentially, and so that's you know, he

883
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Speaker 1: went to prison for you know, fucking with people over memorabilia,

884
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Speaker 1: which I think he had had to sell to pay people. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and like he can sell memorabilia and autographs for cash

886
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Speaker 1: and so wrong Goldman's father is like, you know, you

887
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Speaker 1: you owe me money, Like you shouldn't be able to

888
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Speaker 1: be living this like lavish lifestyle. And it's crazy because

889
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: o J's lawyer as like out there going full Trump.

890
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: He's saying calling Fred Goldman a plantation master and trying

891
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: to spin it that it's it's it's wild, it's wild.

892
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Speaker 1: Like he's like, well, his family is greedy and he's

893
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Speaker 1: a plantation messa. He's eager to obtain a settlement settlement

894
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: money from that former NFL player during the Twitter like

895
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Speaker 1: it's plot twist. His lawyer's white, right, I have no idea. Actually,

896
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Speaker 1: let that would be funny. We'll see his name is

897
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Speaker 1: Malcolm Laverne, but we'll see. But yeah, they and also

898
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: beyond that, he's been wild out in Vegas. Then there's

899
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Speaker 1: like a rumor that like producers are trying to pitch

900
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Speaker 1: a show where like o J interviews Caitlin Jenner because

901
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: they're friends. They go way back. They were both like

902
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: huge famous athletes at the same time in the early eighties,

903
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Speaker 1: and they have the connection with like there he was

904
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Speaker 1: friends with his ex wife. And then there's yeah, no

905
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Speaker 1: better person to present the issues of transgender people than

906
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Speaker 1: O J. Simpson interviewing Caitlyn Jenner. So we're always watching

907
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Speaker 1: o J. You know, might have forgotten, but we're watching

908
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: you man. Uh and don't let him get you down.

909
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: O J is probably the most American story of all time.

910
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: That's you know, yeah, I know, he really is. The

911
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: documentary made by Ezra Edelman, Uh is one of the

912
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: better movies I've seen in the past ten years. It's like, yeah,

913
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Speaker 1: people that that should automatically be taught to people in

914
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Speaker 1: like U S history class now yea, um, alright, so

915
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Speaker 1: that's what o J has been up to. Uh. We

916
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Speaker 1: also just wanted to brag on ourselves a little bit. Uh,

917
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Speaker 1: the Matt Lower thing. One of our listeners pointed out

918
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Speaker 1: to us on social media that we had called the

919
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: Matt Lower thing a little while ago. We got a

920
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Speaker 1: clip of that, so I hope we should let people know.

921
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Speaker 1: This is from October episode, and this is validating our

922
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Speaker 1: thesis that if you pay attention to the tabloids. We

923
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Speaker 1: we do a weekly segment called the Blood Watch where

924
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: we look at tabloids because the tabloids have caught ship

925
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Speaker 1: earlier than the mainstream media. And so that's what we

926
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Speaker 1: were discussing. We had Superproducer and Hosnier on and we're

927
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Speaker 1: talking about what's going down the Bloyd's. I found a

928
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff um one. Apparently Megan Kelly and Matt

929
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Speaker 1: Lower in a feud and one of them is getting fired. Now,

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Speaker 1: if I would put my money on it, I would

931
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Speaker 1: probably make Do you think they would really fire Matt Lower?

932
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Speaker 1: Megan Kelly, Matt Lower has had a very problematic career.

933
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Speaker 1: Is he the next one? I don't know? Is he

934
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Speaker 1: the next to next Domino de Fall? God? Damn, you've

935
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Speaker 1: been You've been geisted. Now. There's two respected institutions that trust,

936
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Speaker 1: the tabloids, Daily Zeitgeist and the Men in Black. That's

937
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Speaker 1: where we come from. I trust both of them. I

938
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Speaker 1: just saw Men in Black three over the weekend. That's

939
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Speaker 1: one of my original underrated Men in Black three together,

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Speaker 1: perfect popcorn deep cut for y'all. I mean, Anna's right here?

941
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Speaker 1: Who's next? Tell us? We don't? We got to look

942
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Speaker 1: at the blood that's find out on tomorrow's blood? Why

943
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Speaker 1: see what we got? Uh? For now? We're going to

944
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Speaker 1: uh end this show? Uh Benyon? Where can people follow you? Um?

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Speaker 1: where that could have been true. So you never know,

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Speaker 1: I might I might log back in. Hey we're up,

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Speaker 1: We're down, but we're always going. Miles. Where can people

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Speaker 1: find you? Oh? Wow me? You can find me on

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Speaker 1: get an inside look at the show through my stories

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Speaker 1: at Miles of Gray. You can follow me only on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can follow us though

959
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Speaker 1: at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook

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Speaker 1: famp page that you can just search the Daily Zeitgeist.

961
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Speaker 1: You can follow us on Twitter at daily Zeitgeist. We

962
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Speaker 1: just crossed the thousand follower milestone. Uh. And you can

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Speaker 1: find us on our website daily zeitgeist dot com where

964
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Speaker 1: we post episode and we also post footnote footnote where

965
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: you can see sources for all the ship we were

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Speaker 1: talking about today. Uh, that's going to do it for

967
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Speaker 1: today's episode, Miles, what are we riding out on? You know?

968
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Speaker 1: Since uh Albinium over here said Sire is a slept

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Speaker 1: me to think Jaden actually isn't that bad. It's called

971
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972
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Speaker 1: a good This is a good entry level Jaden track,

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Speaker 1: entry level Jaden entry level. You're not ready for the

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Speaker 1: full course exactly, No, this is gateway Jaden. Al Right, guys,

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Speaker 1: we will be back tomorrow because it is a daily podcast.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you then bye, Take me to the truth,

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Speaker 1: take me home with you, change my days and you

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Speaker 1: love with you. You can't see the truth I it's me.

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Speaker 1: She said love. It's a strong word. Says love. It's

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Speaker 1: a strong word. And I'm gonna singing for you. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll be a songbird if you know. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: gonna stop because he stopped on the wrong curb. I love.

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Speaker 1: It's a strong word. It's a strong word, but we

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Speaker 1: need not to love it if we want to wrong word.

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Speaker 1: And I'm was singing to you. Maybe I'll be a

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Speaker 1: somber but I'm gonna keep it this week