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Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of four,

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Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger.

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Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On

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Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our

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Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family,

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Speaker 1: and time for fun. From figuring out childcare to mapping

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Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get

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Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds.

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Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode sixty two. Today we'll

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Speaker 1: be talking with Megan Francis, who is one of Sarah

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Speaker 1: and my favorite podcasters. She hosts The Mom Hour, which

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Speaker 1: we've both taken to listening to and have listeners out

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Speaker 1: there who are looking for a more parenting focused podcast.

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Speaker 1: We would strongly recommend it. She and her co host,

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Speaker 1: Sarah It's also another Sarah are very you know, straightforward

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Speaker 1: and authentic, and yet you know they're having a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun with it too. They have eight kids between

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Speaker 1: the two of them and so going on but some

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Speaker 1: fun stuff. They also do kind of extra episodes on

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Speaker 1: things just like what's in my purse, which is surprisingly fascinating.

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Speaker 1: What is in your purse? I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anyone needs to know. What's in my purse is

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Speaker 1: probably embarrassing. But good Sola run out of ideas personal

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Speaker 1: so lot's to talk about with her later in this segment.

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Speaker 1: But first, you know the introduction here. This is going

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Speaker 1: to be airing in early October, which in my part

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Speaker 1: of the world in Pennsylvania is a very beautiful time.

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Speaker 1: Leaves changing, not so much in your part of the world, right, Sarah, No,

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Speaker 1: it's like very disappointing. Everyone's all pumpkin spice, and it's like, huh,

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Speaker 1: feels like July just darker because you you grew up

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Speaker 1: up here and then you selfheads fall and so you

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Speaker 1: exactly your pumpkin spice exactly. I'll just get my just

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Speaker 1: desserts in January. But that's okay, that's exactly when the

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Speaker 1: rest of it. What kind of fun fall activities are

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Speaker 1: you guys going to do? So we have a fall

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Speaker 1: and part of this Fall is one of my favorite seasons.

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Speaker 1: I really love the leaves changing, the crisp weather, it's

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Speaker 1: good for running, biking, that sort of thing. Also, just

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Speaker 1: the long, horrible winter season. So I make this fall

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Speaker 1: fun list of the things like going for a hay

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Speaker 1: put stuff like going to visit Cape May in the

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I've been making the activity list for this fall,

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Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna wind up on our list

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Speaker 1: or ty. If you google VANDERCAM manage your time, it

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Speaker 1: very excited to welcome Meghan Francis to the Best of

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Speaker 1: Both Worlds podcasts today. Megan is the co host of

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Speaker 1: And Sarah and I both listened to The mom All right, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't really take it super seriously and it

430
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 1: took me like one months to get pregnant, so of course, yeah,

431
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 1: of course, right, So but yeah, I love having fight,

432
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 1: I love having a big family. It's totally different now

433
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,199
Speaker 1: than it was then. I mean, it was so insane

434
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 1: for a while. Like I had five kids under the

435
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,920
Speaker 1: age of eleven, and at that time, you know, I

436
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 1: couldn't leave them at home to go anywhere. So every

437
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: time I went out in public, I had like at

438
00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 1: least four of them, and that's when I look back

439
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 1: and go, geez, like, what a crazy time. Now it's

440
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 1: like they're all kind of doing their own stuff, and

441
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, my youngest is selfish. She can make her

442
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 1: own sandwich and get her own glass of milk. Like,

443
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,080
Speaker 1: they don't need me in the same way. It's more

444
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,679
Speaker 1: like getting them places and making sure they're keeping up

445
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: with their schoolwork and stuff. It's just a very different

446
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 1: kind of parenting now, which I know you can relate

447
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,800
Speaker 1: to as well, but yeah, it's just different. Well, one

448
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 1: of the reasons I love your podcast is because you

449
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,200
Speaker 1: do talk about all those changes, and because you're partner.

450
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 1: Sarah has younger kids although they're getting older. It's really

451
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: cool to hear the contrast. And I have to say, like,

452
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: there's definitely for those of you who haven't listened to

453
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 1: the Mom Hour, if you want to hear a mom

454
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,880
Speaker 1: finding joy in some chaos. Megan does that really well.

455
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: I mean, even though they are older, you've got a

456
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 1: lot going on, and yet you kind of come off

457
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: as quite relaxed under those circumstances. It's pretty inspiring. I

458
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 1: typically am, and I think that's part of what allowed me.

459
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: And I think one of the fun things about Sarah

460
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: and I talking is that we have very different ways

461
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: of approaching parenthood and but it's based on our personalities.

462
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: Our personalities are really different. We agree on a lot

463
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 1: of stuff, but we just come at it from a

464
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,160
Speaker 1: completely different angle. And so no, it's awesome, you guys,

465
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: you your great compliments. Yeah, And I think one of

466
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 1: the reasons that I was able to have five kids

467
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 1: and not lose my mind is because things like noise

468
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: and chaos didn't really ever bother me. And that can

469
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: be a blessing and a curse is you know that

470
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: also doesn't really incentivize you to get on top of

471
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: it until sometimes it's a problem. So I've been on

472
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: both sides of that. There's I've had to learn some workarounds,

473
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah, well, I'm sure the logistics of

474
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: getting five kids to activities is quite a quite an issue.

475
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 1: And now you have the additional logistics. So you you

476
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 1: and your ex husband have pretty much split custody, right

477
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: is that? How? Yes? And so it's like half a

478
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: week on, half a week off week how we do

479
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: it week off? Was that? I mean, we could talk

480
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: a little bit about the divorce. You've been amazingly honest

481
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: about it on the podcast, which I think is also

482
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: one of the reasons the podcast is so awesome, just

483
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: the authenticity on there. But I'm pondering, like, boy, like

484
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,880
Speaker 1: the logistics, the sheer moving kids around from one household

485
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: to another sounds like this added layer. I'm very curious

486
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: how you guys make that work. Well, you know, it's

487
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 1: been evolving. So the first gosh, almost a year we

488
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: lived in the same house and he and I went

489
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 1: and they called that nesting or something like that. There's

490
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Speaker 1: a name for it. Oh, that's very interesting. I've never

491
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: heard of that. But that actually, from the logistics standpoint,

492
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: doesn't sound terrible. We lived in this big house and

493
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: it fit everyone really really well, and we were kind

494
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: of like, well, what would be the point of us

495
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: both having to have like expensive big houses right now?

496
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: And then like how like the uprooting for everybody, and

497
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: like that just felt like a bummer to me and

498
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: to everybody, And I think we neither one of us

499
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: was ready for that. So we both had places outside

500
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: of the house that we could stay at during or

501
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: we also had the house kind of set up in

502
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: such a way that we didn't weren't really in each

503
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: other's spaces too much. So I think that that year

504
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: was really good. It was very hard, and I would

505
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: never do it again. But I'm not saying I wouldn't

506
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 1: do it again, like I would. I don't regret it

507
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: at all. I think it was the right thing for

508
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: us to do, but like, I couldn't put myself back

509
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: in that situation. And my son said to me kind

510
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: of wistfully, like remember the one we just all lived

511
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: in one house and we could just get like a

512
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: really huge mansion and we could all live in again.

513
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, honey, I think we're all past that,

514
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: Like we don't need to go back to that, and

515
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't hard, Like it wasn't hard in that we

516
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: were in a personally fighting. It was more like, how

517
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: you part of divorcing is creating something new out of

518
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: something that's fallen apart or broken, and you can't really

519
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: do that when things haven't changed around you like there was.

520
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: It was really hard to find my own space. I

521
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: tended to just kind of gravitate between the kitchen and

522
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 1: my bedroom. I stopped going in certain areas of the house,

523
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: like I didn't want to be in the living room anymore.

524
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 1: So it like the house started to feel like very

525
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: foreign to me, and I found myself avoiding it. So

526
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: that was like, it was fine, and I think it

527
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: was good. It was a good transition. But then now

528
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: for the last gosh, I guess almost a year, well

529
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: like ten months, ten eleven months something like that. He's

530
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: lived about thirty minutes away, and we switched the kids

531
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: on and off, and it's actually not that crazy. Part

532
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: of it is because the two older ones are now

533
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: so much older, they kind of get themselves where they

534
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 1: need to go, and they kind of have their own

535
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: lives too, like they sort of just float in and out.

536
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: One of them is more full time with me, and

537
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: one of them is more full time with him, and

538
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: they're both working and both doing you know, their stuff

539
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: that they've got going on, so or we don't really

540
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: have to take them anywhere, and the other three have

541
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: their stuff that's at dad's and they have their stuff

542
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: that's at moms, and they have backpacks that they carry

543
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: back and forth. And it just works. I don't know,

544
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: like it's not perfect. The stuff that's the stuff that

545
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: doesn't work is really annoying stuff, Like I realized, they

546
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 1: really need to have each have two sets of extra hats, gloves,

547
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: They need to have an extra swimsuit, they have to

548
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: have stuff that just stays at moms or dads because

549
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: it's always that time you need that thing that you

550
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: don't have it. And sometimes things would happen like oh,

551
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: a school book would get left at a house and

552
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have it. But their teachers have been really understanding,

553
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: and it's just it hasn't been that big of a deal.

554
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: It is a hassle. But then I have three days

555
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: a week or I don't have any kids in my

556
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: house at all, where I just had the yeah, because

557
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: it's this complete difference between like lots of yeah and

558
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: no kids. It's but it's weird. I mean, I'm very

559
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: it's well, I'm still getting honestly, I am still getting

560
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: used to just like getting to the point where I

561
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: feel fine staying home for the evening and cook for myself.

562
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: Like that's taking time to get used to that because

563
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: for the first year we had the arrangement that we

564
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: had when it was like my night off in quotes,

565
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: I would leave, so I got used to not being

566
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: there during those days. And then I'm like, well, now

567
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: I have my house and like I can be in it.

568
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: And like nesting was hard, and I used to be

569
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: a big nester and I had to almost kind of

570
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: retrain myself to do that. So I did end up

571
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: moving out of the big house and into a much

572
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: smaller house that felt like my space and was much

573
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: more manageable, and that's worked really well, and I feel

574
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: like now I can take care of it a little

575
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: bit better and it feels fresher and like I'm just

576
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: feeling a little more re energized on that front. But

577
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: like the how to, like what do I do with

578
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: myself stuff? It's amazing how quickly the time still goes.

579
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: Like I tend to frontload my work week to the

580
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: part of the week that I don't have the kids,

581
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: so I do a lot of work when I don't

582
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: have them. I've also been working like crazy for the

583
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: last year, so like I had a full time job,

584
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: plus on top of that, I was doing this radio

585
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: morning show, which I'm actually letting go of because it's

586
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 1: just too much. So I've been busy, like I just

587
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: been out and not around that much. And I think

588
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 1: that's what my solution, I think up till now has

589
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: been just stay really really really busy and then I

590
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: don't have to think about it. And now I'm coming

591
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: into a phase where I'm just not gonna be as

592
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: busy outside of my house anymore. And I think that's good.

593
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: Like I think I need it to kind of recenter

594
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: myself a little bit. But it's hard, it's not it's

595
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: not easy for you. Or are you actually like cooking yourself? Well,

596
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I I don't eat over the sink.

597
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: I do try to sit down when I eat, but

598
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm terrible, Like I'll I'm terrible about cooking for myself.

599
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get better at it. Like I've definitely

600
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: come up with a couple of recipes that are just

601
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: things I could just throw together easily for maybe me

602
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: and then have like a leftover in the fridge for

603
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: the next day or whatever. But like that's that's been

604
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: hard too, Like I'm just figuring out, Like I feel

605
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: like I'm still in this figuring it all out phase.

606
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: I tend to eat stuff like a peanut butter sandwich

607
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: because I don't care and it's easy and I eat

608
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: all there's no shame in that whatsoever. Or that. Yeah, well,

609
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: and you know it's a startup, new stuff and I

610
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: made some new your career, new house. And for those

611
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: following Megan on Instagram, I just saw the the dating

612
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: site profile. Was that actually, oh yeah, how you know

613
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: tell us about that? Oh yeah, well, I I posted

614
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 1: a funny thing so about when you just give up

615
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: on your dating profile and I put like one sarcastic

616
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: sentence in it because I've had like I've changed my

617
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: profile a million times and no matter what it is,

618
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: it's always dumb and like, like I mean, the results

619
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: are always dumb. So I've actually been on dating sites

620
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: for like a year, and oh it's kind of the worst.

621
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: I have to say, it seems like dating is really

622
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: complicated now, like much more so than like I missed

623
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: that whole thing. Yeah. Well, and I got married really young,

624
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: and it was someone I knew from well, we went

625
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: to high school together. We didn't date in high school,

626
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: but we went to the same college and we had

627
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: the same friends, and we just decided we liked each other.

628
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, It's like it was so simple, and now

629
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: what what tends to happen? At least at my age

630
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: where I live, And I live in a small town,

631
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: which also complicates things, Like everyone I know my age

632
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: is pretty much married, like most people aren't on their

633
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: first divorces yet. I'm a little bit new, you know,

634
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: early to the scene there, so they are still married

635
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: or if or they're really early stages or for whatever reason,

636
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: we're just not a good fit. So I have not

637
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: met a single person, like through the usual channels who

638
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: has been a really good candidate to date. So then

639
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well what do I do? So everyone

640
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: uses the apps? So I think the apps have become

641
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: the usual channels. I mean, I don't did you read

642
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: disease on Sorry's book? I think it was like modern

643
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: romance or essays from it, And yeah, I thought it

644
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: was spot on the one where he talked about what

645
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: it would be like if you went up and swipe

646
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: left on somebody's face because they didn't like the same team. Yes, yes, yes,

647
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: And that's really what it's boiled down to. It becomes

648
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: this very superficial like lists like laundry lists, like do

649
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: I like the things that this person said in this paragraph?

650
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: But otherwise, like what do you have to go on?

651
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: Even at a bar, you know, you have a first

652
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: impression that's created by their whatever they say or look

653
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: like or how they're dressed. But the problem is an

654
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: app doesn't leave anything for the next thing, which is

655
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: having a conversation or getting to know someone naturally. So

656
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: on the other hand, I have met some really interesting

657
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: people that I absolutely would otherwise not have met. So

658
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of like and I don't have any problem,

659
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: Like I can be out and start conversations with men.

660
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: I do it all the time. I'm actually pretty good

661
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: at it. And my millennial friends are like, wow, I

662
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: can't believe you talk to people at the bar. That's like, well,

663
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: that's what what you do, right, You go to the

664
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: bar and you talk to people I don't think they're

665
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: not in that world. Like my thirty young thirties friends

666
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: are like, what that's not You wait and make sure

667
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: that they think you're cute first, and then like you don't.

668
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: There's not as much putting yourself out there because you

669
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: both already bought in on each other. So to some degree,

670
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: but to me, that takes all the fun out of it,

671
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: because isn't part of the fun like figuring out if

672
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: someone likes you or figuring out if you like somebody.

673
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't know, it's kind of a

674
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: hot mess. I'm I vacillate daily between turning them off,

675
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: like deleting them for good because they get very boring.

676
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: I've had some of the most boring text conversations of

677
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: my life and some of these apps. But every now

678
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, this person's kind of interesting,

679
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: interesting enough for a date. So I don't know. I

680
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: keep hanging on because everybody else is. It just seems

681
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: like the thing to do. But I'm not taking it

682
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: very seriously these days. So I guess that's my long answer.

683
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: Check back with me and like a good balance. So yeah,

684
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: and I think most people aren't taking it very seriously.

685
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: That's why nothing happens like nothing, there's no traction on

686
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: anything because everyone's just kind of under screwing around and

687
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: not really taking, not really expecting a lot, so their

688
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: investment's very low. It's it's just a strange. It's a

689
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: very strange little ecosystem that I'm living in at the moment.

690
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: But it is what it is, right it maybe a

691
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: one day i'llrite a book about it. I'd be great,

692
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah you would read it. But what we want to know,

693
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: you know, day in the life of Megan's now I

694
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: know that. I mean our reader, our listeners love like

695
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: sort of logistics and everything. Obviously, you have two very

696
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: different days in life, because there's day in a life,

697
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: yes it's without kids, and day in the life with kids.

698
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: So if maybe you could do a quick run through

699
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: of both, Like so if you don't have your kids

700
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: with you, Yeah, does a day look like for you? Yeah?

701
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: Well okay, so let me give you I'll give you

702
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: the what it looks like currently, like right now, and

703
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: then I'll give you what I'm hoping it's going to

704
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: look like because I'm about to leave. So I've been

705
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: doing this radio gig for two years. Right around the

706
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: time the time I started separating from my ex, I

707
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,239
Speaker 1: was asked to co host a morning radio show, like

708
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: Megan in the Morning kind of a thing. So I've

709
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: been doing that. So that means I have to get

710
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: up run six thirty and go in to the station

711
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: and I'm there from seven until nine nine thirty, depending

712
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: on the day. And so what was happening during the

713
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: school year. This was just a crazy hot mess, which

714
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: is part of the reason I'm letting it go, because

715
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: like I would get my daughter, I would jump on

716
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: the mic the days I had my kids in my

717
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: kitchen while I'm making like my tea and bacon or whatever.

718
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: And then between segments, I would be waking my kids

719
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: up and like making sure they all had their stuff

720
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: and making sure they get ready, and then I'd be like,

721
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: shmum's on the radio, and then they would all shut up,

722
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: and then I would do my segment and then I

723
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: would jump off again. And see that sounds I'm interrupting

724
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: because that's insane. Like that sounds insane. It was insane.

725
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: There were like three and four minute segments. But like

726
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like you kind of have to

727
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: be paying attention in between, because you maybe have two

728
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: songs break, so it's not a lot of time. And

729
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: on the days I didn't have my kids, it was

730
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: super easy. Would just show up at the station and

731
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: just you know, get on the mic and shoot the

732
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: crap with my co host. It's not a hard job,

733
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: and I always thought it was really fun. But in

734
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: the days that I had the kids, Oh, and then

735
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: I would always go in as soon as I dropped

736
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: my daughter off at school, I would go in and

737
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: be live in studio for like an hour because there

738
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: was like people would come in for interviews, so I'd

739
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: drop my daughter off and like zoomed the station to

740
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: make sure I got there in time for my next segment.

741
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: So it was insane, and I finally was like, this

742
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: is why am I doing this to myself? Like just

743
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: because I can do something doesn't mean I should, and

744
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: like I'm not the point where it was really good

745
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: for me. I think for a while, to have a

746
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: reason to get up in the morning and get out

747
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: the door and like be dressed and all that stuff,

748
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: and have someone that I could talk to every day,

749
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: that was like fun, and I think that was really

750
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: good for me. But i'm i'm it's become more hassle

751
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: than it's worth. So then I would have started the

752
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: rest of my day, So then I would have gone home,

753
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: and if my kids were home, like during the summer,

754
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, you just kind of end up on the

755
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: days you have them, you know, you do that sort

756
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: of like work at home mom, Like you're working, but

757
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: then you're interrupted and you have to make a snack

758
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: or a lunch, and then maybe you know, it's summer,

759
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: so let's go to the beach, and it's like just

760
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth. I've never really relied

761
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: too heavily on activities because then I just find that

762
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: that's one more thing I have to worry about, and

763
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: like getting them there then picking them up or having

764
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: someone else pick them up. So they have activities, but

765
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: they don't. They've never had like full day camps that

766
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: they've been doing. It's more like we have friends down

767
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: the street that they can play with and we do

768
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: a lot of swapping and stuff like that. So that

769
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: would be a way it would look like in the

770
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: summer and during the school year, I would I would

771
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: just work at home, try to fit in a workout.

772
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: I do the most mediocre workout ever, which is something

773
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to change because I'd like to get in

774
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: better shape again. But what I'm hoping it's going to

775
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: start looking like is that I will get up on

776
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: the days that I have the kids, get them off

777
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: to school, go to the gym, maybe do a real workout,

778
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: you know, come back, and then have a nice long

779
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: stretch of work day, like a four or five hour stretch.

780
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: Then they come home around three thirty four and do

781
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: some quality time, so like really not have those days,

782
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: be super focused on work just enough, and then the

783
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: days that they're not here basically just work. And that

784
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: really hasn't changed too much. It's just that now two

785
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: and a half days, two and a half work days

786
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: a week, I don't have my kids at all, So

787
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: those days I can just sit there and like do

788
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: that zombie thing in front of my computer, you know,

789
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: like we're all in showered and you're like kind of

790
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: slumped over in front of your computer, like you haven't

791
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: looked up in a while, and you forget to go

792
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Like I'll probably have a couple days

793
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,959
Speaker 1: like that a week, which is gonna be good because

794
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: I need to focus so you know, the slight irony

795
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: to that is like I feel like many men kind

796
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: of it's almost like they already have that built in,

797
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: Like you have that because you actually don't have your

798
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: kids with you a couple of days, but there's a

799
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: lot like there are definitely days my husband like barely

800
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: seize the kids, and that's just accepted, whereas it seems

801
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: almost radical for you to have days to be fully

802
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: I know, to be fully immersed. I'm not used to it.

803
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: I have never really had that. And it's funny. When

804
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: I was, you know, separated, but my ex was still

805
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: living in the house. There would be days that I

806
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: would be working at the house and a kid would

807
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: wander into my room where I'm working and be like, Mom,

808
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: do you think that I could have? First of all,

809
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: they'd ask me something ridiculous like that they don't have

810
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: to ask permission for, like can I have an apple?

811
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: My kids know that they don't have to ask permission

812
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: to eat a piece of fruit. And then I would

813
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: just spoken for some love exactly, and I would be

814
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: like sure, And then I would say where's your dad

815
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: and they'd say, oh, he's in the kitchen. I would say,

816
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: real that's funny walk three rooms away to ask me

817
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: if I could do something that was in the same

818
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: room where your dad is. And so we finally had

819
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: to be a little more specific about like mom doesn't

820
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: exist right now, Like I know I'm here, and I'll

821
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: come out and talk to everybody later and i'll say

822
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: good night to you before the end of the night.

823
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: But like, as far as you're all concerned, dad is

824
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: the only person parenting so and I think that was

825
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: instructive for him, Like I think he learned a lot

826
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: from that, and I think the kids learned how to

827
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: become a little more just discerning about who they went to.

828
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: So in some ways it was a really good thing

829
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: because I feel like now they just and they're getting

830
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: older too, which helps. But now I can say, you know,

831
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: I really can't help you with that. For a few

832
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: minutes I'm working, I'm gonna need like I'm gonna need

833
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: an hour. And I'll say that to my daughter and

834
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: she's like, Okay, I know what that means, and she'll go,

835
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: amuse yourself for an hour and come back. But she's

836
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: nine now, Like I can expect that if or I

837
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: couldn't expect that when she was four in the same way.

838
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, some of it it's gotten easier, but some

839
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: of that's also because they're getting older, not just because

840
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: I don't have them in my house a couple of

841
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: days a week exactly. So as you're going to be

842
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: able to, you know, focus more on building your business,

843
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: like what's next for life? Listen, how do you see

844
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: this growing? Ever? Oh? All kinds of fun stuff. So

845
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: one of the things we really want to do. All

846
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: of our shows so far have been this kind of

847
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: like conversational, like two person conversational show, just like what

848
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: you guys do, and we would really like to experiment.

849
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: I have been really inspired by some of the more narrative,

850
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: more produced shows, the ones that are kind of NPR

851
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: and I really love those. But those we've never been

852
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: able to even think about doing something like that because

853
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: we just don't have time. Like right now. It's you know,

854
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: just the way how crazy my work life has been.

855
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: And Sarah's three kids until this year, we're not all

856
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: at the same school at the same time. Her youngest

857
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: was in preschool, so she only had a few days

858
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: and like they were all over town. So this is

859
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: the first year where I'm going to be home and

860
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: she's going to be home like for an entire school

861
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: day Monday through Friday, which is really exciting, and it's

862
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: going to make everything easier, Like you know, and you

863
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: guys probably deal with this too, Like just sitting down

864
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: together at the same time to record can be really challenging,

865
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: so imagine when we have multiple times during the week

866
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: we could do that and talk about stuff. So that's

867
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: really exciting. We really want to get a community going,

868
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know if you guys are

869
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: familiar with Patreon or if you use Patreon. It's something

870
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: we've thought about for years and it's basically like a

871
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: membership model for people who don't know where for like

872
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: a few bucks a month, kind of your super fans

873
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: or or you're really engaged listeners can basically join this

874
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: community and get access to premium content or back behind

875
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff, maybe like some kind of additional engagement

876
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't get otherwise. And it's just a really

877
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: fun way to both support the show but also become

878
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: part of its community. And that's something that we keep

879
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: talking about doing. You know how it is, and like

880
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: you're just squeezing everything in as much as you can

881
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: with the time that you have, you talk about stuff

882
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: and you don't make it happen. So that's one of

883
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: the things we really want to do. And I mean,

884
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: even if it's only one percent of the people who

885
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: are listening to us, I think though, that one percent

886
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: really wants it. So we're really Yeah, and that's a

887
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: cool model because I mean, it's it's a revenue generator

888
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: without it being I mean, we don't currently have ads.

889
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: We don't have anything against ads, but but it's totally

890
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: you guys, you know what I mean, Like you're not

891
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: selling anything else, You're selling yourselves, which is really cool

892
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: because that's the product that people come to your podcast

893
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: for anyway. So I think that's great. Yeah, yeah, So

894
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: and I don't know besides that, I think we just

895
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: want to I want to be more. I need to

896
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: stay more on top of what's happening with podcasting. Like

897
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: when I first started podcasting, I was listening to podcasts

898
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: all the time. I really I felt like I had

899
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: a really good handle on sort of the the community

900
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: around it and sort of that ecosystem. And it blew up.

901
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: It exploded. In the last six years since I started

902
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: that first show, so like I have not been able

903
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: to keep up on what's happening, Like there's trends now,

904
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: there's new shows coming out all the time that I

905
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: want to check out, and I haven't really had the

906
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: time to do that. So I'm hoping to listen more

907
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: as well, which I'm excited about that because it's kind

908
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: of hard to keep producing something if you're not consuming

909
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: it ever. And I know for myself, I've always gone

910
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: through phases where I consume more and then produce more,

911
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: and consume more and produce more. But after a while

912
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: you start to kind of like lose touch with what's

913
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: going on around you. So yeah, that's another goal. The

914
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: hazard of podcastings. There's so many good ones that you

915
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: want to listen to out there, and there's only right

916
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: you can't listen to more than one. Have you tried?

917
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: Have you tried listening on like two times? Because I

918
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: do I do. I do one point five and I

919
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: probably could ramp it up. Actually, now that I'm used

920
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: to one point five, my husband thinks I'm crazy. But

921
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: then once you start getting used to that, then like

922
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,359
Speaker 1: the regular speed sounds, so then you want to listen

923
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: to the regular go to. Yeah, exactly. I've listened. I've

924
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 1: never listened to a podcast on higher speed. I've listened

925
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: to audiobooks, and I find it really hard to get

926
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: used to. So I'm worried that it would make podcasts

927
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: listening that it's fun for me, but I might try it. Oh,

928
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: definitely try the one point five you get used to.

929
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: And I've listened. That's how I listen to your podcast,

930
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: And you guys are, to be honest, the person who

931
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: sounds the fastest when I do that is myself. And

932
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because like obvious, because I

933
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: actually speak quickly, or because my own head I'm like

934
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: used to hearing how I hope. I don't know. It's

935
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: very interesting, yeah, but yeah, you guys sound great on

936
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: one point right. Good to know see if anyone's trying

937
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: to squeeze us in a little less than an hour,

938
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: and just try that way, make the mom our last

939
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: forty five minutes or the mom forty exactly the mom

940
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: forty you got it. We always end up our segments

941
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: with our our love of the week. It is just

942
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: something that is, you know, making life awesome for us.

943
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: Right now, Sarah and I can go first, so that

944
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: we yeah, please to be time to think. So my

945
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: love of the week is Crocodile Creek puzzles. Yeah. These,

946
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: it's just a brand name. I don't know which if

947
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: it's one of the major toy companies that has this

948
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: as a you know brand, but it's Crocodile Creek. They

949
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: are pretty nicely like, they've got a little hef to them,

950
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: so they don't completely fall apart, and they actually stick

951
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: together pretty well. Lots of interesting ones, you know, like

952
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: there'll be maps like you know, the glow the world

953
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: or the US, or like under the sea or pirates.

954
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: But there's just a bunch of them. But they've got

955
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, one hundred and two hundred

956
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: piece ones and those are really doable with my age kids.

957
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: So I also have just the thing for puzzles. I

958
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: enjoy doing them myself, and so we've collected quite a

959
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: few of these, these Krackata Creek ones, so I'm always

960
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: on the lookouts more get up target again, I guess

961
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: for more Sarah, how about you? Well, this is gonna

962
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: air much later than school at the start of school

963
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: for most people, but that's okay. We're preparing for it

964
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: now and I had to buy new lunch bags for

965
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: the kids. But so that's not my level of the

966
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: week because there's not that many lunch bags that are washable.

967
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: But when I find a good one, I will put

968
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: that in there. But no, we have those metal lunch

969
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: Bots containers that have like segments and they close and

970
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: they're in perfect shape from last year. I don't think

971
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: they're I think they're always just gonna I don't think

972
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: they're ever going to destruct. So I love them. And

973
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a durable lunchwere then you might

974
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: want to check them out. Okay, you guys, I have

975
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: to admit, like I totally forgot you were going to

976
00:43:52,920 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: ask me this. Okay, Okay, we're totally okay. Just let

977
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: me think for a second, because while you guys were

978
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: talking then I couldn't like I couldn't come up with

979
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: any things I was listening to you guys. Oh, I know,

980
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: I know, Okay, I know. Okay, So this is like

981
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: a little bit random, But like I did mention that

982
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 1: I've been trying to cook again for myself and I've

983
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: been really actually trying to get into cooking, and I

984
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: used my tegine. Do you guys know what this is, like, yes, yes, yes,

985
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: it's like a Mediterranean like clay pot. I think mine's

986
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: actually porcelain and the company that mine is a mel Henry,

987
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: I believe is it's kind of fancy. But I made

988
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: a Moroccan chicken last week and it was so good.

989
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was about. The It's like

990
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: this funky shaped pot that like you can put on

991
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: the stuff toop or you can put in your oven,

992
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: but it has like this the lid is like a dome,

993
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: and I think what it does is it traps the

994
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: heat and circulates it, but it also traps moisture. So

995
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: the chicken came out like really really good. And now

996
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm actually like it's I've had this for thing for

997
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: three years. It moved with me twice and I finally

998
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just going to use this thing, and

999
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: I did and I loved it. So do you guys

1000
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: put a link in your show notes to your loves

1001
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: of the week. Laura definitely can. Okay, yeah, I'll send

1002
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: it to you because you guys know people might be

1003
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: interested in it, and I'll send the recipe to it

1004
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: was so good, sounds good. It made my week cool. Oh, yeah,

1005
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: we can link the recipe. Everyone would want the recipe

1006
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: cool and you don't need the pot to make the recipe,

1007
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: by the way, you can make it with a skillet

1008
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: with a lid. But I just thought the tegine looks

1009
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: really cool and it's fun. We probably have a lot

1010
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: of people who have one of those, like sitting on cupboards, right,

1011
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: I know, looking for to break out the t What

1012
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: am I going to do with this thing now? You know?

1013
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: You know? All right, well, Megan, thanks so much for

1014
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: coming on. We really appreciate it. Yeah, thanks guys, This

1015
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,479
Speaker 1: was super fun and really keeping up with you guys,

1016
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: and weking on and I will definitely diving back into podcasts.

1017
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: You guys, I've already subscribed, but it'll be like hi

1018
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: on my listen list. So yeah, yay, awesome. Okay, this

1019
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: week we have a question and from Confused in Colorado.

1020
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: I love that people are starting to put things like that.

1021
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: It's like we're a you know what bagony at columns.

1022
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: We highly encourage that. Sleepless in Seattle, Yes well. Misconfused

1023
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: is a first time mom of a fifteen month old

1024
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: and an attorney in her fifth year. She had actually

1025
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: recently moved from government to corporate practice, where she has

1026
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: eminently reasonable hours, especially for a lawyer, and no travel.

1027
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: She is the primary parent for the limited logistics of

1028
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: a family with one toddler, drop off, pickup, music classes,

1029
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: and doctor's appointments. Her husband travels extensively, usually one to

1030
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: three weeks out of each month. Three weeks out of

1031
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: a month is pretty extensive and oft and over weekends

1032
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 1: because he goes to Asia. In general, things are working

1033
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: well and the flexibility he has when he is home

1034
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: is a great asset, but they struggle managing family communications

1035
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: while he's gone. Sometimes I feel like items I want

1036
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: to flag and disposition. I think she means lawyer to

1037
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: right word. I don't know. Yeah, that's a lawyer's speak.

1038
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: I only speak doctor speak, Okay. An invitation I want

1039
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: to accept and put on the count, for example, or

1040
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: making travel arrangements for an upcoming trip are a welcome

1041
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: an unwelcome intrusion that makes it hard to plan ahead

1042
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: for times when he's home, which I get her wanting

1043
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,479
Speaker 1: to make the most of since he's away so much.

1044
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: By contrast, he likes to video chat extensively with our

1045
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: daughter while he's away. He's a wonderful and involved father

1046
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: and husband, but this can sometimes be disruptive for a

1047
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: toddler and for our routine. My question for you and

1048
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: Sarah is how and it says more for Laura because

1049
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: I don't really have it on the road spouse, But

1050
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: how do you develop a cadence when one of you

1051
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: is on the road. What are best practices for managing

1052
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: life when work takes one parent away and how much

1053
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: should a parents desire to be involved from a far

1054
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: factor into those decisions. Does this evolve with multiple kids

1055
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: as they age. Yeah, well, I mean I think it's

1056
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: a good question. People are listening to this know that

1057
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: we recorded an episode recently on families where both parties

1058
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: travel and sort of how you manage those STIs of that.

1059
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: But certainly there are families where one parent does and

1060
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: you're trying to say, well, how do you make that

1061
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: work so that parent can stay involved? And yet the

1062
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: person who's there is probably doing more of the logistics.

1063
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: And I mean, first half, I would say, if you

1064
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: are the primary parent who is there, you can set

1065
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: the guidelines because you're the one who has to live

1066
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Speaker 1: with him. I mean, that's the reality of it. And

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Speaker 1: so I think what's happening here is that probably he's

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Speaker 1: calling just as like their daughter's trying to go to bed,

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Speaker 1: and that gets her wired up and like pushes her

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Speaker 1: past bedtime, and you know, it makes it like there's

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Speaker 1: a twelve hour time gap between a lot of the

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Speaker 1: places people are doing business in Asia. So probably he

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00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: wakes up in the morning and he's like gotten showered

1074
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: and he's you know, got half hour before needs to

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00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: be at his first meeting. He's like, Okay, this would

1076
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: be a great time for me to call our daughter.

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Speaker 1: Except it's not a great time for him to call

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Speaker 1: the daughter because his wife's trying to get their daughter

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Speaker 1: into bed, and so then she's up and wired and

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Speaker 1: like you know, running around showing Daddy this and that,

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00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: and then it's hard to get her back down. So

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00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, he needs to work around it. I mean,

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00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: I think that's fair that if he's the one who's

1084
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: not there, she's the one covering it. He needs to

1085
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: respect their skull and there could be some compromise with that.

1086
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: But maybe it means he needs to start waking up

1087
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, you know, that maybe he can

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00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: do that video call at like six am instead of

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00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: seven thirty and so that he gets up a little

1090
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Speaker 1: bit early, does it before the shower, before breakfast. I suggested,

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Speaker 1: you know, doing it so that he can entertain her

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00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: while mom's making dinner or something that would actually be

1093
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: a useful function of these video chats, that she can

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00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: hold the phone while while mom's making dinner and deal

1095
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: with that. I think partly what's happening with the emails

1096
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: that she feels like it's unwelcome intrusion is because he's

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00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: not responding. But I think the reason he may not

1098
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: be responding to a lot of it is the same

1099
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: thing with when they're being sent and the twelve hour

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Speaker 1: time delay, because if you think about it, she is

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00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: maybe sending this, you know, after their daughter's in bed,

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Speaker 1: she'll like think of stuff, or maybe you know, in

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00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: the middle of the day. Well, if it's in the

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00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: middle of the day, he's asleep, he is not seeing it.

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00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: He's probably not processing his personal emails till the evening,

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00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: which means that there's like a twenty four hour more

1107
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: delay between when she's sent him when he's reading it

1108
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 1: and responding. You know, same thing if she's sending them

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00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: at night, you know, he's starting his workday, he's probably

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00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: not going through it by the time he sends it

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00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: at night. She's like, you know, in the middle of

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00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: her night. It just doesn't The overlap is such that

1113
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: it appears that people aren't responsive, when in fact they are.

1114
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: It's just not a good time for them when it

1115
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: comes in. And so I think what you just have

1116
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: to do is maybe send the digest email. And then

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00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: the assumption with the digest email is that you will

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00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: get a response within X amount of time, right, like

1119
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: you can set whatever that is. But you know, if

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Speaker 1: I send the didgust email at this you will respond

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00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: to all items within twenty four hours, because that's what

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00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: allows us to, you know, make a functioning schedules as

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Speaker 1: a family that is in two separate parts of the

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00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: world at this point. And there's a lot to be

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00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: said for the digest email in general. I've needed to

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00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: start sending digest emails to Sarah, sending them all the time.

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00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: I realized, like, wa, wait, she's good with patients. She

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Speaker 1: can't actually respond to this stuff like you know I

1129
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: do Inbox zero that you twelve separate emails during the day,

1130
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: and you're like trying to get down this zero every time. So, yeah,

1131
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: did you have anything to add to that. Well, it's

1132
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: so funny because well this we're going to get to

1133
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: her response. But before I remembered her response, I was like,

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00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is a great use of

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00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: an online shared calendar because then you can just kind

1136
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: of stick stuff on there and he has a limited

1137
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: window to approve or not approve, and you can put

1138
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: a lot of details actually in like a Google calendar entry,

1139
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 1: like you can put a bunch of notes in there

1140
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: so that maybe he, you know, knows what you have

1141
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: planned for the upcoming weekend or a travel and then

1142
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: he can either accept it or not depending And as

1143
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, this person actually replied to us and it

1144
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: turns out that they were doing something like that. So

1145
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: that is awesome. And I guess my other thought, what

1146
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: was my other thought is oh, just to mostly you know,

1147
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: I love that you're analyzing how well this is going

1148
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: early on, because I do think this is only going

1149
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: to become significantly more complicated with multiple kids and as

1150
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: the kids get older. And yes, some people may say,

1151
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, you guys are talking about it in such

1152
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: a business like way, but again, the truth is, like

1153
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: if you manage the logistics, then they will not manage

1154
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: you or kind of mess you up later. Like it's

1155
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: really being proactive tends to pay off, and finding a

1156
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: mutually agreed upon solution is probably going to prevent fights

1157
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: they're unpleasant later on. So we greatly embrace the idea

1158
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: of like creating, you know, a specific an agreed upon

1159
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: system rather than just kind of if the status quo

1160
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: isn't working, just going with that. Yeah, so she said,

1161
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: she responded to us that instead of routinely sending three

1162
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: to six emails per day that week, she decided just

1163
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: send calendar invites and he could decline or write back

1164
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: if unhappy, but no dialogue needed on ninety percent of

1165
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: them where we agree. And I kind of like this too.

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00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, if he's not there, you

1167
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: don't actually have to ask him permission on all this stuff,

1168
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, but it's kind of hard to put this,

1169
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: but you may as well make the schedule. If you're

1170
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: the parent who is primarily deciding these things, you can

1171
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: make the schedule and then he can say if he disapproves.

1172
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: But waiting for him to approve on some of this

1173
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: could just drive you insane. And so I think that

1174
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: that's probably the way to go. She talked on the

1175
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: still working on the best time for the FaceTime. She

1176
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: would really like him to call in the morning for

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00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: their time, and so this is a question of trying

1178
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: to get him to find a break maybe later in

1179
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: the day after his meetings or before dinner with clients

1180
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, to FaceTime with their daughter at

1181
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: that because unfortunately, Yeah, and my idea for that is

1182
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: maybe they could do a little bit of like make

1183
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: videos for each other so that it wasn't such a

1184
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: time sensitive or even like there's a voice app that

1185
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people use, Voxer where they can like,

1186
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, well, the fifteen month old probably isn't like,

1187
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, talking in paragraphs yet, but he could tell

1188
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: her a whole little story and she could like speak

1189
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: something back in that way it's not so time sensitive

1190
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: and it might be kind of fun. Yeah, so that's

1191
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: a work in progress. But we love hearing back from people,

1192
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 1: and we write back on these emails and then people

1193
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: sometimes respond if they tried it and it worked or

1194
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: it didn't, And that's always great to know it too,

1195
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: because these things are always evolving. Well, anyway, this has

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Speaker 1: been best of both worlds. We've been talking with Megan Francis,

1197
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: mostly the host of The Mom Hour, and we will

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Speaker 1: be back next week with more on making work and

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Speaker 1: life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me

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Speaker 1: Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore

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Speaker 1: Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at

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00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the best of

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Speaker 1: both worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for more

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Speaker 1: on making work and life work together.