Speaker 1: In soccer, the best, most efficient form of myth making
Speaker 1: happens at the FIFA World Cup. It's been this way
Speaker 1: since nineteen thirty and every four years since. The World
Speaker 1: Cup has grown into a behemoth since that time, with
Speaker 1: a global audience of three point five billion people. That's
Speaker 1: right billion with a B. That's a third of the
Speaker 1: world turning into the crescendo of its most popular sport.
Speaker 1: I've been a soccer fan since the day I was born,
Speaker 1: when my dad made me a card carrying socio of
Speaker 1: Real Madrid. In the decades since, I've woken up at
Speaker 1: all hours to watch laggy, illegal streams and now CRISP
Speaker 1: four K broadcasts of games. I treked around South Africa
Speaker 1: to watch my country, Spain finally win the World Cup.
Speaker 1: Been two thousand and ten. I'm Nando Vila and this
Speaker 1: is the best soccer podcast in the world, a new
Speaker 1: show that tells stories that spill well beyond the field,
Speaker 1: from legendary players to silly hairdos to heart wrenching finals.
Speaker 1: Here on the best soccer podcast in the world, We're
Speaker 1: going to relive all of the most iconic World Cup
Speaker 1: moments throughout soccer's extensive history. Alone goes with him. But
Speaker 1: it's still Ronaldo, Yes, wanted to say, wonderful. I never
Speaker 1: sink take a breath Soccer, like all of existence comes
Speaker 1: down to just a series of breaths in out goal
Speaker 1: save No. One's career was defined by breaths as much
Speaker 1: as Ronaldo Nazario Dalima, the steady sniper exhales while shooting
Speaker 1: the puffed out cheeks as he turned on the afterburners
Speaker 1: to power past his marker yet again. The pause just
Speaker 1: before the finish and now the breakout is all let
Speaker 1: bike do Gary and Brazil struck me to get cracked.
Speaker 1: Vi Era vanielt today many day high break citizen Paris,
Speaker 1: But welcome Mr pros and those few cursed gasps. When
Speaker 1: he couldn't breathe during a seizure that nearly took his
Speaker 1: life and robbed Brazil of a World Cup, I had conversion,
Speaker 1: and I was saying for three or four minutes, you
Speaker 1: string all those breaths together and you have a career
Speaker 1: A player who could literally take your breath away when
Speaker 1: he was at full sprint. In a few short years,
Speaker 1: he transformed himself from Ronaldinho as he was known when
Speaker 1: he was a youngster to el phenomenon, the nickname he's
Speaker 1: most remembered by. It's hard to describe just how good
Speaker 1: Ronaldo was in his prime. Ronaldo was one of soccer's
Speaker 1: chosen ones. Regardless of the many matches he missed through injury.
Speaker 1: What would he have become without all those lengthy setbacks?
Speaker 1: And perhaps the most tantalizing question, what would have happened
Speaker 1: had he not collapsed before that final? When you're there
Speaker 1: and you believe the competition, it's a lot of oppression.
Speaker 1: Doctors called me in to another room and that will
Speaker 1: not play, and I say, no, it's not possible. I
Speaker 1: want to play. It is, without a doubt, one of
Speaker 1: soccer's greatest mysteries. Ronaldo's story feels like it was scripted
Speaker 1: by soccer's best screenwriter, his tail tying together the bitterness
Speaker 1: of his injuries and the suffering required to overcome them,
Speaker 1: driven forward by his love of the goal. Ronaldo want
Speaker 1: to run. This is danger, Ronaldo into the area. Naldo,
Speaker 1: how does he do that? The drama of defeat deepened
Speaker 1: by the mystery of an episode that to this day
Speaker 1: remains unexplained, and sure why not? The eventual redemption that
Speaker 1: every hero deserves. Today we bring you the story of
Speaker 1: a striker who was half man, replete with mistakes, carnal
Speaker 1: sins and physical frailty, and half God, given his otherworldly
Speaker 1: ability to score without further ado, we give you Ronaldo,
Speaker 1: the Demigod of goals. The way that he played was
Speaker 1: one of pure joy. I was with him a few
Speaker 1: months ago at a FIFA event and he has not
Speaker 1: lost that, that joy of life. And while there was
Speaker 1: you know, certainly a a machine like moment to him,
Speaker 1: he would try stuff and try stuff that others wouldn't
Speaker 1: even think to try, and also have the audacity the
Speaker 1: goal and the confidence that it was going to work out.
Speaker 1: This is Alexei Lawless, a former player for the US
Speaker 1: men's national team and now a pundit for Fox Sports.
Speaker 1: The difference between him is not only did he try stuff,
Speaker 1: but he saw things that others wouldn't see. He tried
Speaker 1: things that others wouldn't try, and more often than not
Speaker 1: it worked out well and he was successful when others
Speaker 1: would fail, and that, you know, that's what made him great.
Speaker 1: But he did it with you know, he did it
Speaker 1: with just a beauty but also just there was just
Speaker 1: there was love and there was romance in the way
Speaker 1: that that he's slalomed and his balance and his shifting
Speaker 1: of his weight. Um, it was beautiful. But Sado got
Speaker 1: his start with Sukari Stival, where he was discovered by Zadezine,
Speaker 1: one of the best right wingers of all time and
Speaker 1: a key figure on the legendary nineteen seventy Brazil national team.
Speaker 1: Jazino spotted a talented kid from the club's youth system
Speaker 1: and promoted him. Ronaldo, who was known as Ronaldinho at
Speaker 1: that point, soaked up wisdom from his mentor. One of
Speaker 1: the most renowned teams in Brazil, Group Crusado, snapped him up.
Speaker 1: He made a difference in the from the very beginning.
Speaker 1: His outstanding displays and his consistent scoring naturally drew the
Speaker 1: attention of the man in charge of the Brazilian national team.
Speaker 1: At seventeen years old, Ronaldo was living the dream he
Speaker 1: would represent the most legendary national team During the nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four USA World Cup, and even though he didn't
Speaker 1: play a single minute, Ronaldo participated in the collective success
Speaker 1: as Brazil conquered the world to win the Cup for
Speaker 1: the fourth time. Who has to score, really has bought
Speaker 1: a team to the part even if he didn't play
Speaker 1: in the in the Cup. This is Daniel Edwards, a
Speaker 1: writer covering South American soccer for Goal, among other places.
Speaker 1: He was already making a lot of headlines before the
Speaker 1: World Cup. He had a ridiculous scoring record for Crusader
Speaker 1: and then after the Cup he catches the eye of
Speaker 1: PSV in the Netherlands. Guys over there he was still
Speaker 1: on the eighteen nineteen years old came under the wing
Speaker 1: of Bobby Robson, the late Bobby Robson, one of one
Speaker 1: of the most revered coaches in English football. Ronaldo did
Speaker 1: serve Ronaldo and after two wonderful season is playing for
Speaker 1: ps VH Eindhoven, where he scored fifty four goals in
Speaker 1: fifty seven games. He arrived in Barcelona for the seven season.
Speaker 1: This was the start of his meteoric rise to the
Speaker 1: very top of global soccer. He's going all the way.
Speaker 1: Oh good, dismay, it's a Ronaldo was putting on a
Speaker 1: show week after week, the way he kicked off the matches,
Speaker 1: the ease with which he shook off defenders, and his
Speaker 1: vicious finishing. By December, his resume boasted seventeen goals in
Speaker 1: only sixteen games. Ronaldo Ronaldo, he had the fans in
Speaker 1: his pocket. The love affair seemed ready for an official extension,
Speaker 1: with a salary bump that better reflected Ronaldo's status. A
Speaker 1: press conference announcing the deal involved a lot of hugging. However,
Speaker 1: disaster struck eight hours later. While renegotiating his contract, Barcelona
Speaker 1: thought there was an agreement in place, with Barcelona president
Speaker 1: Giusepprues Nunne saying he's ours for life, but when the
Speaker 1: party's reconvened the following day, the agreement collapsed. Nunief had
Speaker 1: to admit it's all over. Ronaldo is going. Ronaldo's time
Speaker 1: at Barsa lasted just one season. Ronaldo would sign with
Speaker 1: Inter Milan after scoring an unprecedented forty nine goals in
Speaker 1: only forty seven matches, winning three titles, and supplying one
Speaker 1: of the best individual seasons on record. It was in
Speaker 1: Debt's turn to enjoy the new phenomenon in international soccer.
Speaker 1: Playing for in Debt, he scored thirty four goals in
Speaker 1: forty seven matches, and during his debut season in Calcio,
Speaker 1: he took home the Cup. This is James Richardson. He
Speaker 1: hosts the Totally Football Show and in the nineties he
Speaker 1: covered Italian soccer for Channel four in Britain. It does
Speaker 1: one had to check out. It's it's the UIFA Cup
Speaker 1: Wayfer Cup final with Latzia, which he effectively just wins
Speaker 1: on his own. I mean, the clips that you see
Speaker 1: are generally from that game of him on a I mean,
Speaker 1: I call it a pitch, but it was pretty much
Speaker 1: a kind of potato field. He's just dancing around with
Speaker 1: the ball glued to his feet, spinning this way that way,
Speaker 1: maneuvering through impossibly tight corners, running down the sideline, leaping
Speaker 1: over tackles. It was amazing scoring goals. He was fantastic,
Speaker 1: Already recognized as potentially the world's biggest star, he arrived
Speaker 1: at the World Cup ready to prove it. France, the
Speaker 1: star of the previous World Cup, Romarrio was out of
Speaker 1: commission with a muscle injury, so the Brazilian media trained
Speaker 1: their flashbulbs and microphones on Ronaldo. Although he was an
Speaker 1: enviable form, there were some doubts about his knees, which
Speaker 1: had proved problematic during the six season at PSV. Ronaldo,
Speaker 1: at only twenty two years of age, was already suffering
Speaker 1: from chronic tendonitis, and later he would discover that he
Speaker 1: had also been suffering from hypothyroidism from an early age.
Speaker 1: He'd been battling this fyroid problem which kind of made
Speaker 1: him game weight, almost doing nothing. He almost couldn't treat
Speaker 1: it because a lot of the medications which were available
Speaker 1: to treat this kind of illness are on the list
Speaker 1: of banned substances. In fact, it was weight loss supplement
Speaker 1: I believe which took down Diego Maradonna um famously in
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety four World Cup. Is probably very wary
Speaker 1: of repeating that kind of state with any kind of
Speaker 1: medication which could help him with this fire problem. None
Speaker 1: of this diminished the high hopes for him. Ahead of
Speaker 1: France ninety eight, Brazil was aiming to defend their title
Speaker 1: with the roster crammed full of legends Carlo Mundo, Nielsen
Speaker 1: and of course phenomenal Ronaldo. Going into the nineteen Auntie
Speaker 1: Wild Cup, no of a PLI had the presence of Ronaldo,
Speaker 1: not then, not del Piedo. None of the other guys
Speaker 1: could could compared with Ronaldo. That was gonna be his
Speaker 1: World Cup. It saying that he was distant to win
Speaker 1: it from from start to finish. After a comfortable group
Speaker 1: stage where Brazil defeated Scotland in Morocco, they reached the
Speaker 1: round of sixteen against Chile. Ronaldo didn't disappoint once Chile
Speaker 1: had been dispatched. Brazil went on to conquer Denmark in
Speaker 1: the quarterfinals, and then in the semifinals, Brazil went up
Speaker 1: against a spectacular Holland side led by Vander Sar, stan Berg,
Speaker 1: Camp Clover, Cucko Cedar and David's. Both teams were evenly
Speaker 1: matched at the outset until Ronaldo happened. As soon as
Speaker 1: the second half kicked off. Ronaldo left Cocou in his
Speaker 1: dust to latch onto a lab from Ribaldo and face
Speaker 1: down Vendor Sart. However, three minutes before the end of
Speaker 1: the match, a goal from Clovert forced extra time and
Speaker 1: the game went to penalties. Fan Bazaar say, that is
Speaker 1: appears is incredible babble. That is appears, Sorry Brazil, that
Speaker 1: was about final. On Sunday when I play on the
Speaker 1: other side of the brackett. France beat Croatia, the breakout
Speaker 1: team of the Championship. The World Cup final was to
Speaker 1: be played on July twelve. On that day, something happened,
Speaker 1: something that has yet to be fully explained. It was
Speaker 1: a surprising, fleeting moment barely a minute long, but the
Speaker 1: consequences have rippled outward for much longer. It completely changed
Speaker 1: the course of events only a few hours before a
Speaker 1: kickoff in a World Cup final. More about what happened
Speaker 1: next after the break. There are many versions of the event,
Speaker 1: some contradictory and very few established facts. The point is
Speaker 1: that Ronaldo couldn't be Rinaldo in a final where everyone
Speaker 1: expected the real Ronaldo. On the day of the final,
Speaker 1: after lunch, the Brazilian national team players went to their
Speaker 1: rooms to take a short nap before the same old
Speaker 1: game day ritual of snack, quick team talk, and bus
Speaker 1: ride to the stadium. Rinaldo and Roo Carlos were sharing
Speaker 1: a room. Rinaldo fell asleep quickly, and his roommate, who
Speaker 1: was watching Formula one, suddenly started yelling for help. When
Speaker 1: he realized that Ronaldo was having a seizure. The doctor
Speaker 1: showed up and everyone else left the room. He examined
Speaker 1: Rinaldo and let him rest. When he woke up and
Speaker 1: regained consciousness, he didn't remember anything. He was immediately taken
Speaker 1: to a clinic so they could run all sorts of
Speaker 1: tests on him to find out exactly what had happened
Speaker 1: and whether or not he was fit to play in
Speaker 1: the final. Meanwhile, Brazil managers Gallo was naming the starting
Speaker 1: eleven in the team talk before leaving for the Sandiny stadiums.
Speaker 1: At that point, it was unclear whether Ronaldo would end
Speaker 1: up dressing or not. On the way to the stadium,
Speaker 1: there was nothing but silence. Brazil was the heavy favorite,
Speaker 1: but only because they had Ronaldo, the best player in
Speaker 1: the world, the man who could single handedly compensate for
Speaker 1: any collective deficiencies. What would happen if their biggest star
Speaker 1: couldn't play. The final was scheduled to start at nine
Speaker 1: pm local time. A few minutes past eight p m,
Speaker 1: FIFA handed out team sheets to the journalists. That was
Speaker 1: a very very bizarre occurrence. A few hours before the match,
Speaker 1: these were reports start coming in on the TV on
Speaker 1: the news that Ronaldo has had a fit in his
Speaker 1: um in his tower room. He was suffering convulsions or
Speaker 1: let's see. No one really knew what was going on.
Speaker 1: It looked absolutely certain that it would implay that he
Speaker 1: was in a knife shape. Darel woodman the goal, Cafu,
Speaker 1: Biano Carlos in defense, says some Bayo and Dunga as
Speaker 1: a double pivot, Leonardo on the right wing, Rivaldo on
Speaker 1: the left, Bibeto and did Mundo upfront. What impossible did
Speaker 1: Rinaldo get benched? The journalists were in chaos, but minutes
Speaker 1: later there were mutterings about a possible change up to
Speaker 1: the team sheet. This was basically because just when the
Speaker 1: team was about to head out to the field to
Speaker 1: warm up, Ronaldo appeared in the locker room. Mystery over
Speaker 1: Ronaldo was playing right before kickoff has confirmed that yes,
Speaker 1: he's okay, he's recovered, He's he's going to be taking
Speaker 1: the field, but he was an absolute shadow of of
Speaker 1: what he had been for the ton him against France.
Speaker 1: Minutes later, Ronaldo had taken the place of Edmundo in
Speaker 1: Brazil's official starting lineup. He stepped onto the pitch to
Speaker 1: warm up as if nothing had happened. None of the
Speaker 1: barrage of test the clinic had turned up anything. The
Speaker 1: match got underway. After just a few minutes of play,
Speaker 1: Ronaldo crashed into the French goalkeeper Fabian bartz and laid
Speaker 1: splayed out onto the ground, another moment of alarm for
Speaker 1: his teammates, who were already worried about his condition. Ronaldo,
Speaker 1: I'm protests, nasty tumble point, don't pull them end up
Speaker 1: on the floor. Artest the first to pick himself up,
Speaker 1: and he wants the referee to stop it. And now
Speaker 1: don't get has for now. There wasn't in great shape
Speaker 1: before the game, as I like to believe, he definitely
Speaker 1: isn't now. Without the threat of Ronaldo, Brazil could never
Speaker 1: really get going, and as the match wore on, France
Speaker 1: got increasingly confident and started banging in the goals. Brazil
Speaker 1: looked completely dazed, their players shell shocked. Said let's see
Speaker 1: said Ronaldo played the full ninety and completed what was
Speaker 1: probably the most underwhelming performance of his career. He just
Speaker 1: looked off the pace. He wasn't with it. I don't
Speaker 1: know who had the final word on signing him off
Speaker 1: for that game, but I think it was a mistake
Speaker 1: because with him and the pitch and that really kind
Speaker 1: of not not fit state. It was like Brazil, we're
Speaker 1: playing with a play a few Franco advantage. So what
Speaker 1: happened exactly. Some people say he had an epileptic episode,
Speaker 1: others say he had a cardiac event, something that Ronaldo's
Speaker 1: spokesman refuted, just as they refuted a Brazilian sports report
Speaker 1: which suggested that a light of cane treatment for the
Speaker 1: pain in his right knee had caused the whole thing.
Speaker 1: According to the report, the drug accidentally leaked into a vein,
Speaker 1: spread quickly through his bloodstream and led to the seizure. Still,
Speaker 1: something had to have caused the reduced blood flow, although
Speaker 1: it's not exactly clear what. However, this would not be
Speaker 1: the last painful chapter in Ronaldo's career. In fact, it
Speaker 1: was only the beginning. Fast forward to April twelve, two thousand,
Speaker 1: final match of the Italian Cup Stadio Olimpico in Rome
Speaker 1: with Latzia, leading to one coach Marcellolipi subdoubt lago for Ronaldo,
Speaker 1: who had just gotten the all clear from the doctors
Speaker 1: to play two days earlier after being sidelined for a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty one days, and six minutes after stepping
Speaker 1: onto the field on one of his lovely trademark dashes
Speaker 1: bicycle included, Ronaldo tore his pateller tendon. The same patellar
Speaker 1: tendon that had tortured him since his days at PSV.
Speaker 1: The moment started the clock on an ordeal that would
Speaker 1: keep Ronaldo out of action for five hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: two days, a harrowing experience full of setbacks, flare ups, pain, suffering, uncertainty,
Speaker 1: and many many shed tears. Any other man would have
Speaker 1: given up, but Ronaldo proved his preternatural resolve. The chosen
Speaker 1: ones write their names in the history books, not just
Speaker 1: through their play, but also their grit. That's the case
Speaker 1: for Ronaldo and his recovery, arguably one of the most
Speaker 1: impressive tales of endurance in the sport. In fact, during
Speaker 1: the four years that passed between two thousand and two
Speaker 1: World Cups, Ronaldo only played three thousand and two hundred
Speaker 1: minutes and fifty two measly games, something unheard of for
Speaker 1: a star of his caliber. More about what happened next.
Speaker 1: After the break, however, the Brazilian national team manager Ruis
Speaker 1: Fetiscarati went all in and called him up for the
Speaker 1: two thousand into Korea Japan World Cup. It's do It's
Speaker 1: too Roberto Obama. Oh, that's a dreadful mistake by Ala.
Speaker 1: It's a gilt sunk. The fears of an injury flare up,
Speaker 1: or that Ronaldo wouldn't be able to handle the demands
Speaker 1: of the tournament loomed to large, but Scolati didn't have
Speaker 1: many other options. After dropping Romario, he joined the three
Speaker 1: rs in attack, Rialdo, Ronaldo and Rondini. Despite his scars,
Speaker 1: Rinaldo scored four goals in the three group stage matches,
Speaker 1: and he scored an additional goal against Belgium in the
Speaker 1: round of sixteen, and in the semifinal, Ronaldo dusted off
Speaker 1: one of his best tricks, the shot under pressure. We're
Speaker 1: about to start. They World Cup Final of two thousand
Speaker 1: and two, the first one of the New century. On
Speaker 1: each Brazil stride away from the kickoffs, Brazil had reached
Speaker 1: another final, and as if no time had passed, Rinaldo
Speaker 1: once again wore the mantle of the biggest star in
Speaker 1: a World Cup final. But this time there were no surprise.
Speaker 1: Is saved for a questionable haircut and the phenomenal penned
Speaker 1: a glorious climax. I think there was a lot of
Speaker 1: expectation in two thousands and two, purely because their team
Speaker 1: was so good. He had a guy like Ronald Leno
Speaker 1: who was absolutely at his peak, Rivaldo who was his peak,
Speaker 1: Cafou Carlos On on the two flanks, two of the
Speaker 1: best fullbacks ever to play the game. It was just
Speaker 1: a team full of stars, and I think at the
Speaker 1: very least if they didn't hadn't have reached the third
Speaker 1: final win a row after ninety eight, it would have
Speaker 1: been very surprising. And they came through. They were definitely
Speaker 1: worthy winners in Japan and South Korea. Brazil beat Germany
Speaker 1: to nil, both goals courtesy of El phenomenon does and
Speaker 1: Brazil win the World Cup. Who finished the two thousand
Speaker 1: and two World Cup with eight goals in seven matches,
Speaker 1: pure catharsis. Ronaldo redeemed himself, settled his debt with his country,
Speaker 1: and inherited the throne that was rightfully his. Shortly after
Speaker 1: the World Cup, Ronaldo signed for Real Madrid as part
Speaker 1: of their Galactico program, where he grabbed goals and trophies
Speaker 1: galore over the course of five years. Even if he
Speaker 1: wasn't quite the same live and lean Ronaldo, once you
Speaker 1: start reaching thirty, it can take his toe and and
Speaker 1: probably there was a failing on Ronaldo's part just Why
Speaker 1: should I keep battling it? You know, I've I've done
Speaker 1: so much in my career. I've achieved on one of
Speaker 1: my dreams. Um so I need to keep killing myself.
Speaker 1: We can week out to UH to make the white
Speaker 1: and I think even you know, at seventy eight, which
Speaker 1: is what we saw probably from Ronaldo a lot, that
Speaker 1: eight percent was still better than than almost ever we
Speaker 1: have a footballer out there. He wore a Simi Lands
Speaker 1: jersey and eventually retired with Gordinians, where he would place
Speaker 1: one final jewel in his crown by winning the copies.
Speaker 1: No one has ever become quite as synonymous with the
Speaker 1: goal and the sprint just before the goal like Ronaldo Nazario,
Speaker 1: a number nine unlike any other, the best pure striker
Speaker 1: in soccer history, a master of the darting sprint, of
Speaker 1: uncanny premonition and of ruthlessly efficient finishing. Fred He had
Speaker 1: it's incredible grin which made you like him, which made
Speaker 1: you enjoy watching him. His football brought a smile as well.
Speaker 1: He was. We talked about the fantasista and how they
Speaker 1: bring something the unexpected, the inexplicable to a game that
Speaker 1: how they defy the calculations. That's what Ronaldo was was doing.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a number ten. He was a goal scorer,
Speaker 1: but he could do anything. People talk about players being
Speaker 1: a cheat code. I mean, he that's what he was.
Speaker 1: And it was a joy to have him in said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a shame that he's you know, things worked out
Speaker 1: so badly for him in Italy, but but yeah, for
Speaker 1: a brief, glorious season he was. He was just the
Speaker 1: best in the world and we were lucky to watch him.
Speaker 1: A meteoric rise, cut short and unsolved, mystery, harrowing years
Speaker 1: of injury, suffering and despair, and finally redemption, sweet sweet
Speaker 1: World Cup winning redemption. Ronaldo has deservedly carved his face
Speaker 1: on soccer's Mount rushmore glory to el phenomenon Ordo or
Speaker 1: simply Ronaldo, the first great Ronaldo in history. The Best
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