WEBVTT - Kathryn Hahn on the Marvel madness, her comedy heroines, and getting her juiciest roles post-40 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:07.960 Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curic and welcome to next question. 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:11.880 Catherine Han is an absolute scream, as you may have 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:16.160 guessed from watching her on the hit Marvel show One Division. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:21.200 Hey boys, why do we give your mom's a meatime hackness? 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:25.119 Are you sure, oh abs a positively? Or noticed in 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:31.560 blockbuster odd comedies like Stepbrothers. Hi, I'm Alice, I'm Derek's wife. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.400 Is it true that you struck Derek and face me 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.280 and he fell from the tree. That's the most amazing 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:41.040 thing I've ever heard? Or maybe you knew all the 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:45.599 law given her propensity for all two relatable characters, are 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.199 you blaming me? No, I'm not blaming you. I'm just 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.560 saying that we need to take some responsibility for the situation. 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.600 A lot of women have babies at forty one. I 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.480 thought I could too. I had a chance to sit 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.680 down with Catherine recently to talk about all of her 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:08.399 new projects. Why at forty seven she is elf Waco 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.480 on fire? But also I got to know her a 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.920 little bit, find out what makes her comedy secret weapon, 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:18.920 and understand why we are all so lucky to be 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:27.800 living in the Hannaissance. Katherine Han, Congratulations all these great 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.119 things are happening. We could not be more thrilled for you. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.399 It must feel pretty damn good to be like on 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.640 fire elf wuego. As my husband would say, I mean, 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.160 it definitely feels very surreal because I mean, as all 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.399 of us are, I'm still kind of stuck at home, 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.160 I don't have social media, so I'm I'm hearing like 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.760 bits and pieces of what's happening. And I know the 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:56.080 show is landed, which I'm thrilled about and um but 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.480 and I'm just tickled by it. But yeah, it's I mean, 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.920 yeah bananas and so flattered and also feels so like 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:08.160 another person's life. It feels very very surreal. Well, I 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.240 want to talk about wand Division because it's such a 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:16.320 it's so original, which I think is the best compliment 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.280 you can give a show these days, because there's so 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:22.560 much content out there, Katherine, and to have something, to 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:26.840 have such a different twist, and of course, like so 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:31.000 many of your roles, it's it's it really puts women 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.560 front and center, which of course I'm a hundred percent for. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.799 But before we talk about one division, before we talk 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.760 about sort of career stuff, I thought we'd get to 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.880 know Katherine Han the woman, the myth, the legend, and 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.680 I wanted you to tell everyone about growing up in 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.880 Cleveland being a theater kid. And I'm particularly interested in 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:56.160 what sparked your interest in acting, because I love to 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.280 hear about these ah ha moments where people say, this 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.480 is what I want I do. Like I asked Barbara 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.440 Streissan that once and she said she was in the 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:07.399 lobby of her apartment building I believe it was in Brooklyn, 0:03:07.680 --> 0:03:09.919 and she started singing. She was like, oh my god, 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.040 you know this sounds incredible. And what was there a 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:18.680 moment where something happened you and you said, this is 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.920 tapping into my passion or was it an evolution? I 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.560 feel like I'm inside the actor's studio, so I know 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:29.400 I love it. Look I mean, I I certainly thank 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:33.919 god Barbara Streis had had that realization. I I think 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:39.440 certainly for me it was it felt almost like predetermined. Katie. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.840 I was very young. I was at a in a 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:47.120 Catholic school in Cleveland, and it was kindergarten, I think, 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.440 and there was some sort of after school program and 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:57.080 I just felt at completely at home. And I'd always 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.760 been a kid that would just disappear after school and 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.600 go deep, pretend deep deep into pretend land, and there 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:08.160 was just something about something that felt very safe and 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:12.000 something that felt very freeing about those classes, even as 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.880 a young child. And then I started taking classes at 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:20.360 the Cleveland Playhouse, which was just my holiest, holiest place 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.320 um as a as a kid, and I just would 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:27.839 want to loiter there like all afternoon. I just loved 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.560 being in those theaters. Just seeing an empty theater with 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.239 a ghost lamp was just like, to me, the most 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:38.279 beautiful thing. And yeah, so to me, it just felt 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.040 like this inevitability, like I just really didn't even entertain 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:46.520 anything else. It was just who I was UM. From 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:50.600 as early as I can remember, when you were growing up, Catherine, 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.560 were there actors that you looked to and thought, I 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.920 want to be just like so and so. I mean, 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.839 growing up, there was definitely some REP that was back 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.560 like rep companies happened, like each city would have their 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.440 own kind of company of actors that so the Cleveland 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.760 play House had this group of actors that I got 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.280 to see play a bazillion different parts, and so it 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:16.280 really admired their careers because they were able to play 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:22.680 you know, lear one season's you know, check off the 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.320 next and I was able to I saw the breath 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.880 of their creativity, and that is something that was a 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.640 real creative turn onto me. And then for me also, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.680 I think growing up and going to the art houses 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.320 there with my mom would always take me to go 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:40.560 see art um movies. So for for me, it was like, 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.680 I mean, I was obsessed with, of course, the the 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:48.480 heroines of looking back, the heroines of like the seventies, 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.840 like the kind of messy I love Terry gar I loved, 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.320 of course, Diane Keaton. Gina Rowlands was like the end 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.120 all be all for me, just kind of the messy, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:05.520 imperfect like not perfect teeth, like messy hair, just the complicated, 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:13.279 messy women that rode the line of funny and and 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.640 sad at the same time. That was all of it. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.240 That wasn't just one or the other, and wasn't there 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:23.200 just um to fill a role in someone else's story, 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.760 but brought their whole complexity to a script like that. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.960 That was always something that was very interesting to me 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.279 growing up. Yeah, you know, I think we're seeing more 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.640 and more almost a renaissance to overuse the word of 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.599 those kind of characters kind of complete, flawed, difficult, to 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:47.120 categorize is good or bad, just just all those different things. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.120 And then you went on to you went onto to 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.799 Yale drama schools, so you weren't like a classically trained 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.040 Catherine Han And so how did how did all that 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:02.360 theater experience um kind of inform your choice of roles? 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.080 And and you know, not everyone has that kind of 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.640 training in that kind of background. Well, I think you know, 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.239 I didn't go right after undergrad. There was a couple 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:13.960 of years in New York City where I was a 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.160 receptionist in a hair salon and I was like digging 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:21.360 through the backstage trying to find auditions. My husband and 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.000 I would always laugh about looking at the But I 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:25.720 don't know if you remember this. There was a there 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.640 was a newspaper called the Backstage for Actors that would 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.720 always have like auditions in the back and there would 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.480 always be a section inevitably called no pay nudity, which 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.120 always made us laugh like, oh, sign us up, like please, 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:42.480 I'm gonna wait in line for that audition. But we um, 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.720 you know, I got there was like a lot of 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:50.120 struggling years before and and also Williamstown Theater Festival was 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.560 a huge part of my life. But then landing at 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.440 Yale was more of a It was more of like 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:59.800 a kind of I needed a sabbatical myself, albeit in 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:03.080 a expensive one, but I needed a place to land 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.520 just just to be able to do theater for a 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.560 few years, not thinking that it was going to necessarily 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.680 be a stepping stone to something else. But I just 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:17.520 wanted to. I just didn't want to, like hustle anymore. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.960 Like I just wanted a landing place to be able 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.679 to like rehearse a play at two in the morning 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.880 and just be around like minded people, and be around 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:30.800 that campus, and and and hold onto the like to 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:33.880 the craft, to the art of it that I was 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.280 so moved by. And I feel like it is so 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:44.240 um uh slipping away in a certain respect in a 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.640 lot of ways, like people can get famous so fast 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.680 for so many different different reasons, and um hats off 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:55.840 for for all of it, and for me being an actor. 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.679 A huge part of it has been rejection, and that 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:04.280 has I think the reason I'm still here at seven 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.160 is because I've been able to weather so much of 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:12.240 it because the the I know how important the underneath is, 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.080 which is I am an actor, and I know it 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.640 comes along with it, and I love my job. I'm 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.480 sure you wanted to do the work and not just 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.800 look for the work, which is some time consuming. So 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.600 that must have been such a luxury for you. And 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.560 you know, I was talking to um Kate Winslett and 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.320 that's a major name drop, but I I've just always 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:42.280 really she's a goddess, isn't she. She's just I don't know, 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.320 you call would love each other. I think, do you 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.800 know her? We did, we worked together, we did Revolutionary 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.800 Road and I fell yes, and fell madly in love. Yeah, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:56.360 she's fabulous. But we were talking about how you have 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.319 to develop this inner core of confidence being an act er, 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.000 and if you don't have a strong sense of self 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:07.120 and you don't have a strong support system, I think 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.560 that's why you see so many child actors get totally 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:14.520 screwed up. How how difficult that is kind of uh, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.679 not only the acceptance, but then worried about like, well 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.000 how long, how many roles are going to come after this? 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:22.800 And how am I going to top this? Or how 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.240 am I going to equal it? Or how am I 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:25.840 going to keep working? How am I going to pay 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.520 the bills and all those things? And and you're at 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.000 the mercy of other peoples and their taste is so 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.800 subjective and um, you know it just it just must 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.520 be hard. And so it sounds like your love and 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.839 your pure you know, devotion to your craft and what 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:45.120 you do, Uh, that has helped you stay grounded through 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.719 kind of the ups and downs that come with this profession. 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.080 Right well, I mean, and it certainly has taken a 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.000 lot of time. And you know, it's not lost on 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.320 me that like the juiciest chapter has happened post kids, 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.440 which I never would have anticipated. And I think that's 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:06.640 really interesting and something I want to like definitely hammer 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:10.439 home for for young women that are interested in young 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:15.480 people that are interested in having children. Is that a 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.320 pleasant surprise to me was that, in fact the opposite happened. 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:23.959 Like you know, you think there's gonna be this invisibility 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.280 shield and all of a sudden expiration date or that 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.760 something forty Even Catherine, you always hear like after forty 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.600 the roles dry up, Yes, they they shrivel up and vanish, 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.520 and or in fact, did you start to shrink into 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:42.880 the background. And I I have found the exact opposite. 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:49.359 So I just want to continue to tell young creators 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.520 and and um actors and actresses that that is. I 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.280 have actresses in particular that I've found that to be 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.439 the exact opposite. And I think it has a lot 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.680 to do with like a re centering of like your 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.880 for for me at least it has been, and which 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.840 I wish somebody had given me this advice, is like 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.280 a re centering of like your authentic self and like 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.200 what you are bringing to the table is what makes you, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:19.600 ironically the most is what's going to get you hired 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.400 and what's gonna get you what's what's gonna what makes 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.600 you special of course, like not trying to fit into 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.800 this Hollywood box that you think you need to be 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.120 to get to the part of that. You know, I 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.640 had been so sweaty, sweatily walking into auditions and like 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.920 scenarios that were just like not mine, just not mine too, 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:42.880 that was never gonna be me. And I just didn't know. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.880 I didn't trust what I what I personally could bring 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.760 because I don't think I knew who I was yet 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.240 at the time, and I just certainly didn't have the confidence. 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.160 So it's like a yeah to you. To Kate's point, 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:56.640 I guess it's like this we have to have this 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:01.040 like weird mix which I've just only real very recently, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:06.559 of this very weird mix of of cockiness and vulnerability 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.400 that have to like like be hand in hand, which 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.880 is a real tricky thing to find. Um and I'm 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.520 still trying to figure it out, I suppose, But don't 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:18.920 you think it also has to do Catherine with sort 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:23.640 of the expansion of how women, how we see women, 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:29.520 and this idea that you know, the female gaze, and 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:35.000 the idea that we do not solely exist for you know, 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:40.400 the objectification of of our physicality and uh you know, 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:43.320 as a supporting role, but that we're worthy in and 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.080 of ourselves. I'm getting very very Germaine greery here, but 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:52.040 worthy in and of ourselves to to to to play 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:55.520 the central role in these stories. And and and it 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:59.959 doesn't mean, uh, you know, as the cute girl friend 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.760 end or the female supporting role or whatever, that our 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.880 stories are are worth telling because they just are, Yes, 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.160 I mean, And I also think I don't know if 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.880 if you I mean, I think, yes, a that there 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:19.400 are many more of creators and voices and authentic stories 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.640 that are able to be told because there's clearly an 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.280 audience of women that are hungry for it, and and 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.480 B I don't know. I I have found getting older 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.120 that it feels almost like the space shuttle like as 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.320 it's as I'm like zooming off and after I just 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.680 feel like a shedding of the unnecessary. So it just 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.320 becomes like clearer and clearer what is what is really 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.400 the most important? And so I'm finding myself gaining and 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.360 confidence also something for younger women to look forward to. 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.840 It's like the stuff that you think really had really 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.320 had mattered in terms of like the outside looking in 0:14:55.760 --> 0:15:00.000 starts to matter less and less and that is so liberating, um, 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:04.560 just in all aspects of life, but for this bird, 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.440 it's in terms of creativity and in terms of like, um, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.920 looking for projects and creators. If not, if you know, 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.360 there had been so much time wasted trying to like 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.920 gain get the eye of someone that I had really 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.640 wanted to work with. And at a certain point it's like, okay, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.200 why not just follow the light then, like why not 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:26.040 just look towards you want's to work with me like 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.560 rather than like trying to And then I've been able 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:33.120 to find these like juicy juicy collaborations and experiences and 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:38.520 and it's been really like a fulfilling, fulfilling chapter. When 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.320 we come back the role that cracked open Katherine's career, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:54.240 that's right after this early in your career. I knew 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.440 you were discovered early on by Tim cran Uh in 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:00.880 the series Crossing Toward And I like Hennessy by the 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.720 way too. I think she's like the wholest, nicest person, 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:07.280 isn't she? And um and and but but for a 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:10.200 while there, you were cast as the friend, the coworker, 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:13.720 you know, the wife, the sassy girlfriend, you know, the 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:18.280 kind of woman had a big prosthetic pregnancy chapter as well, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.120 and and and was that frustrating for you? How did you? 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.360 How did you get through that? And how did you 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:31.120 keep from saying, hey, mofos, I I want to be 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.360 the star. I don't want to be the girl next 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.880 you know, the woman next door. You know. It was 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.720 like I, Katie, honestly, at that point, I going to 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.080 what I had said before, I really didn't think I 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:48.080 had the agency or that I had the belief in 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.640 myself to believe that I could do that. Like I 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:53.560 was just trying to put one foot in front of 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.000 the other and like carve a career and just go 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.120 to where the yes was. I mean, I come from 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:01.600 the theater. The theater is where I found the most 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.200 autonomy over my performance because it was like my whole 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.359 personhood as soon as the curtain came up, that show 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:12.919 was mine. And in terms of the camera, I just 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.040 didn't feel like an ownership over like my I guess 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.960 my performance and I felt always kind of felt I 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.439 guess when I first came to Los Angeles like a 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:26.919 less then, like I would look at these like I 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.399 just maybe I came with such a romantic idea of 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:30.840 what it was, but I would just be like, oh, 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:32.399 I'm not that. Oh my god, I'm not that. I'm 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.600 not I thought. I'm like, I just was so um, 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.200 I felt like I was playing. I was like pretending 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:44.720 to be an actor in a TV show rather than 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.360 just like settling down into being like I just couldn't 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.520 believe still that I was. I was a theater actor. 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:56.320 So I just didn't never felt like true um and 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:59.560 so I didn't. I never felt like it should be 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:05.959 me um. But I was always like grateful. But I 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.359 will say I never felt like satisfied unless there a 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.960 role Katherine that was really just kind of crack your 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:16.600 career open that you thought, Wow, everything kind of started 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:21.240 changing when I played this. There was a couple of 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:24.480 times that happened, like I think that there was a 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.520 summer in which I got to do Stepbrothers and Revolutionary 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.960 Road with Kate, and that was like a personal kind 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.159 of shift for me that I was able to be 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.760 seen in those two wildly different parts in one summer. 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.080 And then but I do think Afternoon Delight, directed by 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.960 Joey Soloway, was a turning point because that was my 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.320 first lead. It was an independent movie. It was a 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.199 role that was like very close to the surface for me, 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:54.960 and uh, the experience of making it was the kind 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.160 of movie making that I had I had always dreamt 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.360 about in terms of that kind of like with a 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.439 better word right at the tip of my tongue, like 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.879 a seventies kind of like Cassavetties kind of movie making 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:10.640 that just felt like very small, tight, very low budget, 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:15.159 but very performance driven. And that was that was a 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:21.520 shift for me, certainly creatively and how I how I 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.800 felt about myself confidence wise, I think to as well. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.960 And you you had you collaborated a lot with with 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:35.040 Joey formerly Jill Soloway, Um and I'm curious, what was 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:39.159 it about that collaboration that just I mean, it seemed 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.919 to work because you went on, you played a rabbi 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.600 and transparent. Of course you started I loved Dick, and um, 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.240 did you just feel like, Oh, I've come home. I 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.080 have a meeting of the minds that I haven't had 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.600 in a long time. Yes, I mean, I think the 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:01.000 closest analogy would be it felt I felt the same 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.120 way that I felt when I was back in school. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:09.840 It was the same kind of joy of performing, and 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.560 I felt that kind of autonomy that I felt on stage, 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.040 but instead it was in front of a camera. So 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.480 it was like, oh, this is what it could be, 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.280 Like I don't have to just stand there and try 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:26.359 to like do a good job, like it's mine, Like 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:29.480 this part is mine. I'm here because I'm valued, Like 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.520 it's my job is to be here and listen to 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.000 this incredible actor in front of me and to just 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.560 receive that what they're giving me and look into their 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:45.760 beautiful eyeballs and like so it just it felt like, um, 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:49.280 the kind of play that I hadn't been able to 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:55.480 really feel on camera before, and I felt more collaborative. 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.560 It felt so collaborative, Like it felt incredibly collaborative. And 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:03.440 I also think that they're writing and the writer's room 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:09.200 writing was just just kind of um tapped into something 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:17.000 that felt very familiar and very unspoken um and very 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:21.400 just very true to to the experience of a woman 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:27.360 person this age UM that I hadn't read before. And 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:31.760 also it was funny and it wasn't a complete down 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.159 er and like there was all the shades in it 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.000 that I was um that I was attracted to. That 0:21:37.080 --> 0:21:39.400 must be magical, you know. And it was the same 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.840 group of people, the same um, the same crew, the 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.720 same so every it just felt like this, It felt 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.359 like we were a part of circus. Like it just 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:52.080 felt I loved those people so dearly, that crew I 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:55.280 love so madly, and um, yeah, just became like law 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.719 familia for sure. That must make such a difference, like 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:02.439 the ambiance of the set in terms of getting the 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:07.080 best out of an actor and having feeling you are 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.560 in a safe space and feeling that you're supported, And 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:13.600 I can only imagine how different that must feel being 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.919 with a group of people that that aren't warm and 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.679 welcoming and and happy and you know, kind of sending 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.159 out positive vibes your way when you're doing what you 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.920 do right well, because especially like I mean I've said 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.880 this before, but like I had been on jobs where 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:33.800 I've had to simply like you know, smooched my costar 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.400 who I have love and a door, but like I 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.600 I felt more uncomfortable because I was like covered in 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:44.159 spray tan, had hair extensions, had chicken cutlets, and the 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.399 thing in my bra like had like the spanks on 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:50.240 had Like I just felt like I was like not enough, 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.480 like I was trying to fit into this box of 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.320 something and I felt it was just and there's a 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:57.480 lot of handwringing behind the monitor and a lot of 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.439 like furrowed brows and like something wasn't more king and 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.280 it just the whole energy was like I just felt 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:08.199 so sweaty and and I felt much fun. It is 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.560 really fun when you just get to work and everyone's 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.359 with a shield on, with a hot with basically a 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:19.920 spray gun at you, Like okay, but I um, yeah, 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:24.919 real fun. A lot of contourd makeup, but I um. 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:28.600 And then to then walk from that kind of experience 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:33.400 is something that's that much more like emotionally physically vulnerable. 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:39.359 Let's say, but has so much more of a of 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:44.120 a feeling of like of safety and collaboration, and where 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:48.520 I felt much more in con of ownership of who 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:52.320 I was playing. Um, just it was a night and 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:56.960 day sit tight because we are diving into the very 0:23:56.960 --> 0:24:09.520 trippy wand division right after this. But let's talk about 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:13.359 one division because that is U been the latest chapter 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:20.240 in the Hannaissance and um unexpected chapter. So I mean 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:22.520 just like who would have thunk it that after Like 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:24.439 we were just talking about like the work with Joey, 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.600 Like I never would have thought this was in my future. 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.439 And I'm just so thrilled and tickled. It's just bananas 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.320 a Marvel TV series. I can see why it is 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:38.159 was unexpected for you and and it's such and and 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:42.440 I said earlier Catherine, it's so original. And for the uninitiated, 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.199 can you kind of describe this series? A lot of 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:48.640 people have seen it. It's getting brave reviews, and it's 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.760 become has a cult following and all that jazz. But 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:55.640