1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curic and welcome to next question. 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: Catherine Han is an absolute scream, as you may have 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: guessed from watching her on the hit Marvel show One Division. 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Hey boys, why do we give your mom's a meatime hackness? 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: Are you sure, oh abs a positively? Or noticed in 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: blockbuster odd comedies like Stepbrothers. Hi, I'm Alice, I'm Derek's wife. 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: Is it true that you struck Derek and face me 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: and he fell from the tree. That's the most amazing 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard? Or maybe you knew all the 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: law given her propensity for all two relatable characters, are 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: you blaming me? No, I'm not blaming you. I'm just 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: saying that we need to take some responsibility for the situation. 13 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: A lot of women have babies at forty one. I 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: thought I could too. I had a chance to sit 15 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: down with Catherine recently to talk about all of her 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: new projects. Why at forty seven she is elf Waco 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: on fire? But also I got to know her a 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: little bit, find out what makes her comedy secret weapon, 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: and understand why we are all so lucky to be 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: living in the Hannaissance. Katherine Han, Congratulations all these great 21 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: things are happening. We could not be more thrilled for you. 22 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: It must feel pretty damn good to be like on 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: fire elf wuego. As my husband would say, I mean, 24 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: it definitely feels very surreal because I mean, as all 25 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: of us are, I'm still kind of stuck at home, 26 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: I don't have social media, so I'm I'm hearing like 27 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: bits and pieces of what's happening. And I know the 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: show is landed, which I'm thrilled about and um but 29 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: and I'm just tickled by it. But yeah, it's I mean, 30 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: yeah bananas and so flattered and also feels so like 31 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: another person's life. It feels very very surreal. Well, I 32 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: want to talk about wand Division because it's such a 33 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: it's so original, which I think is the best compliment 34 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: you can give a show these days, because there's so 35 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: much content out there, Katherine, and to have something, to 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: have such a different twist, and of course, like so 37 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: many of your roles, it's it's it really puts women 38 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: front and center, which of course I'm a hundred percent for. 39 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: But before we talk about one division, before we talk 40 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: about sort of career stuff, I thought we'd get to 41 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: know Katherine Han the woman, the myth, the legend, and 42 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: I wanted you to tell everyone about growing up in 43 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: Cleveland being a theater kid. And I'm particularly interested in 44 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: what sparked your interest in acting, because I love to 45 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: hear about these ah ha moments where people say, this 46 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: is what I want I do. Like I asked Barbara 47 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: Streissan that once and she said she was in the 48 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 1: lobby of her apartment building I believe it was in Brooklyn, 49 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: and she started singing. She was like, oh my god, 50 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: you know this sounds incredible. And what was there a 51 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: moment where something happened you and you said, this is 52 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: tapping into my passion or was it an evolution? I 53 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: feel like I'm inside the actor's studio, so I know 54 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: I love it. Look I mean, I I certainly thank 55 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: god Barbara Streis had had that realization. I I think 56 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: certainly for me it was it felt almost like predetermined. Katie. 57 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: I was very young. I was at a in a 58 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: Catholic school in Cleveland, and it was kindergarten, I think, 59 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: and there was some sort of after school program and 60 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: I just felt at completely at home. And I'd always 61 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: been a kid that would just disappear after school and 62 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: go deep, pretend deep deep into pretend land, and there 63 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: was just something about something that felt very safe and 64 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: something that felt very freeing about those classes, even as 65 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: a young child. And then I started taking classes at 66 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Playhouse, which was just my holiest, holiest place 67 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: um as a as a kid, and I just would 68 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: want to loiter there like all afternoon. I just loved 69 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: being in those theaters. Just seeing an empty theater with 70 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: a ghost lamp was just like, to me, the most 71 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: beautiful thing. And yeah, so to me, it just felt 72 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: like this inevitability, like I just really didn't even entertain 73 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: anything else. It was just who I was UM. From 74 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: as early as I can remember, when you were growing up, Catherine, 75 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: were there actors that you looked to and thought, I 76 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: want to be just like so and so. I mean, 77 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: growing up, there was definitely some REP that was back 78 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: like rep companies happened, like each city would have their 79 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: own kind of company of actors that so the Cleveland 80 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: play House had this group of actors that I got 81 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: to see play a bazillion different parts, and so it 82 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: really admired their careers because they were able to play 83 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: you know, lear one season's you know, check off the 84 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: next and I was able to I saw the breath 85 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: of their creativity, and that is something that was a 86 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: real creative turn onto me. And then for me also, 87 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: I think growing up and going to the art houses 88 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: there with my mom would always take me to go 89 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: see art um movies. So for for me, it was like, 90 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I was obsessed with, of course, the the 91 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: heroines of looking back, the heroines of like the seventies, 92 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: like the kind of messy I love Terry gar I loved, 93 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: of course, Diane Keaton. Gina Rowlands was like the end 94 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: all be all for me, just kind of the messy, 95 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: imperfect like not perfect teeth, like messy hair, just the complicated, 96 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: messy women that rode the line of funny and and 97 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: sad at the same time. That was all of it. 98 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: That wasn't just one or the other, and wasn't there 99 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: just um to fill a role in someone else's story, 100 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: but brought their whole complexity to a script like that. 101 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: That was always something that was very interesting to me 102 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: growing up. Yeah, you know, I think we're seeing more 103 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: and more almost a renaissance to overuse the word of 104 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: those kind of characters kind of complete, flawed, difficult, to 105 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: categorize is good or bad, just just all those different things. 106 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: And then you went on to you went onto to 107 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 1: Yale drama schools, so you weren't like a classically trained 108 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: Catherine Han And so how did how did all that 109 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: theater experience um kind of inform your choice of roles? 110 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: And and you know, not everyone has that kind of 111 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: training in that kind of background. Well, I think you know, 112 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 1: I didn't go right after undergrad. There was a couple 113 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: of years in New York City where I was a 114 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: receptionist in a hair salon and I was like digging 115 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: through the backstage trying to find auditions. My husband and 116 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: I would always laugh about looking at the But I 117 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this. There was a there 118 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: was a newspaper called the Backstage for Actors that would 119 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: always have like auditions in the back and there would 120 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: always be a section inevitably called no pay nudity, which 121 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: always made us laugh like, oh, sign us up, like please, 122 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait in line for that audition. But we um, 123 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, I got there was like a lot of 124 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: struggling years before and and also Williamstown Theater Festival was 125 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: a huge part of my life. But then landing at 126 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: Yale was more of a It was more of like 127 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: a kind of I needed a sabbatical myself, albeit in 128 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: a expensive one, but I needed a place to land 129 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: just just to be able to do theater for a 130 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: few years, not thinking that it was going to necessarily 131 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: be a stepping stone to something else. But I just 132 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: wanted to. I just didn't want to, like hustle anymore. 133 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: Like I just wanted a landing place to be able 134 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 1: to like rehearse a play at two in the morning 135 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: and just be around like minded people, and be around 136 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: that campus, and and and hold onto the like to 137 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: the craft, to the art of it that I was 138 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: so moved by. And I feel like it is so 139 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: um uh slipping away in a certain respect in a 140 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: lot of ways, like people can get famous so fast 141 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: for so many different different reasons, and um hats off 142 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: for for all of it, and for me being an actor. 143 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: A huge part of it has been rejection, and that 144 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: has I think the reason I'm still here at seven 145 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: is because I've been able to weather so much of 146 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: it because the the I know how important the underneath is, 147 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: which is I am an actor, and I know it 148 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: comes along with it, and I love my job. I'm 149 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: sure you wanted to do the work and not just 150 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: look for the work, which is some time consuming. So 151 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: that must have been such a luxury for you. And 152 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: you know, I was talking to um Kate Winslett and 153 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: that's a major name drop, but I I've just always 154 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: really she's a goddess, isn't she. She's just I don't know, 155 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: you call would love each other. I think, do you 156 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: know her? We did, we worked together, we did Revolutionary 157 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: Road and I fell yes, and fell madly in love. Yeah, 158 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: she's fabulous. But we were talking about how you have 159 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: to develop this inner core of confidence being an act er, 160 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: and if you don't have a strong sense of self 161 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: and you don't have a strong support system, I think 162 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: that's why you see so many child actors get totally 163 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: screwed up. How how difficult that is kind of uh, 164 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: not only the acceptance, but then worried about like, well 165 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: how long, how many roles are going to come after this? 166 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: And how am I going to top this? Or how 167 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: am I going to equal it? Or how am I 168 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: going to keep working? How am I going to pay 169 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: the bills and all those things? And and you're at 170 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: the mercy of other peoples and their taste is so 171 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: subjective and um, you know it just it just must 172 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: be hard. And so it sounds like your love and 173 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: your pure you know, devotion to your craft and what 174 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: you do, Uh, that has helped you stay grounded through 175 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: kind of the ups and downs that come with this profession. 176 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: Right well, I mean, and it certainly has taken a 177 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: lot of time. And you know, it's not lost on 178 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: me that like the juiciest chapter has happened post kids, 179 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: which I never would have anticipated. And I think that's 180 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: really interesting and something I want to like definitely hammer 181 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: home for for young women that are interested in young 182 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: people that are interested in having children. Is that a 183 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: pleasant surprise to me was that, in fact the opposite happened. 184 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: Like you know, you think there's gonna be this invisibility 185 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: shield and all of a sudden expiration date or that 186 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: something forty Even Catherine, you always hear like after forty 187 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: the roles dry up, Yes, they they shrivel up and vanish, 188 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: and or in fact, did you start to shrink into 189 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: the background. And I I have found the exact opposite. 190 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:49,359 Speaker 1: So I just want to continue to tell young creators 191 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: and and um actors and actresses that that is. I 192 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: have actresses in particular that I've found that to be 193 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: the exact opposite. And I think it has a lot 194 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: to do with like a re centering of like your 195 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: for for me at least it has been, and which 196 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: I wish somebody had given me this advice, is like 197 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: a re centering of like your authentic self and like 198 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: what you are bringing to the table is what makes you, 199 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: ironically the most is what's going to get you hired 200 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: and what's gonna get you what's what's gonna what makes 201 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: you special of course, like not trying to fit into 202 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: this Hollywood box that you think you need to be 203 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: to get to the part of that. You know, I 204 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: had been so sweaty, sweatily walking into auditions and like 205 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: scenarios that were just like not mine, just not mine too, 206 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: that was never gonna be me. And I just didn't know. 207 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: I didn't trust what I what I personally could bring 208 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: because I don't think I knew who I was yet 209 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: at the time, and I just certainly didn't have the confidence. 210 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: So it's like a yeah to you. To Kate's point, 211 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: I guess it's like this we have to have this 212 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: like weird mix which I've just only real very recently, 213 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: of this very weird mix of of cockiness and vulnerability 214 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: that have to like like be hand in hand, which 215 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: is a real tricky thing to find. Um and I'm 216 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: still trying to figure it out, I suppose, But don't 217 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: you think it also has to do Catherine with sort 218 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: of the expansion of how women, how we see women, 219 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: and this idea that you know, the female gaze, and 220 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: the idea that we do not solely exist for you know, 221 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: the objectification of of our physicality and uh you know, 222 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: as a supporting role, but that we're worthy in and 223 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm getting very very Germaine greery here, but 224 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: worthy in and of ourselves to to to to play 225 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: the central role in these stories. And and and it 226 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: doesn't mean, uh, you know, as the cute girl friend 227 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: end or the female supporting role or whatever, that our 228 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: stories are are worth telling because they just are, Yes, 229 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: I mean, And I also think I don't know if 230 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: if you I mean, I think, yes, a that there 231 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: are many more of creators and voices and authentic stories 232 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: that are able to be told because there's clearly an 233 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: audience of women that are hungry for it, and and 234 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: B I don't know. I I have found getting older 235 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: that it feels almost like the space shuttle like as 236 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: it's as I'm like zooming off and after I just 237 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: feel like a shedding of the unnecessary. So it just 238 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: becomes like clearer and clearer what is what is really 239 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: the most important? And so I'm finding myself gaining and 240 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 1: confidence also something for younger women to look forward to. 241 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: It's like the stuff that you think really had really 242 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: had mattered in terms of like the outside looking in 243 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: starts to matter less and less and that is so liberating, um, 244 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: just in all aspects of life, but for this bird, 245 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: it's in terms of creativity and in terms of like, um, 246 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: looking for projects and creators. If not, if you know, 247 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: there had been so much time wasted trying to like 248 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: gain get the eye of someone that I had really 249 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: wanted to work with. And at a certain point it's like, okay, 250 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: why not just follow the light then, like why not 251 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: just look towards you want's to work with me like 252 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: rather than like trying to And then I've been able 253 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: to find these like juicy juicy collaborations and experiences and 254 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: and it's been really like a fulfilling, fulfilling chapter. When 255 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: we come back the role that cracked open Katherine's career, 256 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: that's right after this early in your career. I knew 257 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: you were discovered early on by Tim cran Uh in 258 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: the series Crossing Toward And I like Hennessy by the 259 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: way too. I think she's like the wholest, nicest person, 260 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: isn't she? And um and and but but for a 261 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: while there, you were cast as the friend, the coworker, 262 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, the wife, the sassy girlfriend, you know, the 263 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: kind of woman had a big prosthetic pregnancy chapter as well, 264 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: and and and was that frustrating for you? How did you? 265 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: How did you get through that? And how did you 266 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: keep from saying, hey, mofos, I I want to be 267 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: the star. I don't want to be the girl next 268 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, the woman next door. You know. It was 269 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: like I, Katie, honestly, at that point, I going to 270 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: what I had said before, I really didn't think I 271 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: had the agency or that I had the belief in 272 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: myself to believe that I could do that. Like I 273 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: was just trying to put one foot in front of 274 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: the other and like carve a career and just go 275 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: to where the yes was. I mean, I come from 276 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: the theater. The theater is where I found the most 277 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: autonomy over my performance because it was like my whole 278 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: personhood as soon as the curtain came up, that show 279 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: was mine. And in terms of the camera, I just 280 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: didn't feel like an ownership over like my I guess 281 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: my performance and I felt always kind of felt I 282 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: guess when I first came to Los Angeles like a 283 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: less then, like I would look at these like I 284 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: just maybe I came with such a romantic idea of 285 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: what it was, but I would just be like, oh, 286 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: I'm not that. Oh my god, I'm not that. I'm 287 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: not I thought. I'm like, I just was so um, 288 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: I felt like I was playing. I was like pretending 289 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: to be an actor in a TV show rather than 290 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: just like settling down into being like I just couldn't 291 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: believe still that I was. I was a theater actor. 292 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: So I just didn't never felt like true um and 293 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: so I didn't. I never felt like it should be 294 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: me um. But I was always like grateful. But I 295 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: will say I never felt like satisfied unless there a 296 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: role Katherine that was really just kind of crack your 297 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: career open that you thought, Wow, everything kind of started 298 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: changing when I played this. There was a couple of 299 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: times that happened, like I think that there was a 300 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: summer in which I got to do Stepbrothers and Revolutionary 301 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: Road with Kate, and that was like a personal kind 302 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: of shift for me that I was able to be 303 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: seen in those two wildly different parts in one summer. 304 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: And then but I do think Afternoon Delight, directed by 305 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: Joey Soloway, was a turning point because that was my 306 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: first lead. It was an independent movie. It was a 307 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: role that was like very close to the surface for me, 308 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: and uh, the experience of making it was the kind 309 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: of movie making that I had I had always dreamt 310 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: about in terms of that kind of like with a 311 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: better word right at the tip of my tongue, like 312 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: a seventies kind of like Cassavetties kind of movie making 313 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: that just felt like very small, tight, very low budget, 314 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: but very performance driven. And that was that was a 315 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: shift for me, certainly creatively and how I how I 316 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: felt about myself confidence wise, I think to as well. 317 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: And you you had you collaborated a lot with with 318 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: Joey formerly Jill Soloway, Um and I'm curious, what was 319 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: it about that collaboration that just I mean, it seemed 320 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: to work because you went on, you played a rabbi 321 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: and transparent. Of course you started I loved Dick, and um, 322 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: did you just feel like, Oh, I've come home. I 323 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: have a meeting of the minds that I haven't had 324 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: in a long time. Yes, I mean, I think the 325 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: closest analogy would be it felt I felt the same 326 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: way that I felt when I was back in school. 327 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: It was the same kind of joy of performing, and 328 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: I felt that kind of autonomy that I felt on stage, 329 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: but instead it was in front of a camera. So 330 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, this is what it could be, 331 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: Like I don't have to just stand there and try 332 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: to like do a good job, like it's mine, Like 333 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: this part is mine. I'm here because I'm valued, Like 334 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: it's my job is to be here and listen to 335 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: this incredible actor in front of me and to just 336 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: receive that what they're giving me and look into their 337 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: beautiful eyeballs and like so it just it felt like, um, 338 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: the kind of play that I hadn't been able to 339 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: really feel on camera before, and I felt more collaborative. 340 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: It felt so collaborative, Like it felt incredibly collaborative. And 341 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 1: I also think that they're writing and the writer's room 342 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: writing was just just kind of um tapped into something 343 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: that felt very familiar and very unspoken um and very 344 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: just very true to to the experience of a woman 345 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 1: person this age UM that I hadn't read before. And 346 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: also it was funny and it wasn't a complete down 347 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: er and like there was all the shades in it 348 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: that I was um that I was attracted to. That 349 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: must be magical, you know. And it was the same 350 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: group of people, the same um, the same crew, the 351 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: same so every it just felt like this, It felt 352 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: like we were a part of circus. Like it just 353 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: felt I loved those people so dearly, that crew I 354 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: love so madly, and um, yeah, just became like law 355 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 1: familia for sure. That must make such a difference, like 356 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: the ambiance of the set in terms of getting the 357 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: best out of an actor and having feeling you are 358 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: in a safe space and feeling that you're supported, And 359 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: I can only imagine how different that must feel being 360 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: with a group of people that that aren't warm and 361 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: welcoming and and happy and you know, kind of sending 362 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: out positive vibes your way when you're doing what you 363 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: do right well, because especially like I mean I've said 364 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: this before, but like I had been on jobs where 365 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: I've had to simply like you know, smooched my costar 366 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: who I have love and a door, but like I 367 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: I felt more uncomfortable because I was like covered in 368 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: spray tan, had hair extensions, had chicken cutlets, and the 369 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: thing in my bra like had like the spanks on 370 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: had Like I just felt like I was like not enough, 371 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: like I was trying to fit into this box of 372 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: something and I felt it was just and there's a 373 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: lot of handwringing behind the monitor and a lot of 374 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: like furrowed brows and like something wasn't more king and 375 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: it just the whole energy was like I just felt 376 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: so sweaty and and I felt much fun. It is 377 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: really fun when you just get to work and everyone's 378 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: with a shield on, with a hot with basically a 379 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: spray gun at you, Like okay, but I um, yeah, 380 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: real fun. A lot of contourd makeup, but I um. 381 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: And then to then walk from that kind of experience 382 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: is something that's that much more like emotionally physically vulnerable. 383 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: Let's say, but has so much more of a of 384 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: a feeling of like of safety and collaboration, and where 385 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: I felt much more in con of ownership of who 386 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: I was playing. Um, just it was a night and 387 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: day sit tight because we are diving into the very 388 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: trippy wand division right after this. But let's talk about 389 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: one division because that is U been the latest chapter 390 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: in the Hannaissance and um unexpected chapter. So I mean 391 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: just like who would have thunk it that after Like 392 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: we were just talking about like the work with Joey, 393 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: Like I never would have thought this was in my future. 394 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: And I'm just so thrilled and tickled. It's just bananas 395 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: a Marvel TV series. I can see why it is 396 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: was unexpected for you and and it's such and and 397 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: I said earlier Catherine, it's so original. And for the uninitiated, 398 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 1: can you kind of describe this series? A lot of 399 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: people have seen it. It's getting brave reviews, and it's 400 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: become has a cult following and all that jazz. But 401 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: for people who haven't, it's, you know, it's hard to describe. 402 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: So give it a shot. Okay, I'm gonna give it 403 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: a shot. I think it is if you have watched 404 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: any of the Marvel films, the thing that would always 405 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: stick out to me was this little ember of flame 406 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: between Vision and Wanda. Vision is an android um robot, 407 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: and Wanda is the Scarlet Witch, although she's not defined 408 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: as such until this this show. But they have such 409 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: a dear love connection in the films, and this just 410 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: basically takes that relationship and kind of expands it, as 411 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: it were. Wanda Maximum, the character in the comics, has 412 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: a very deep and traumatic backstory. Um. This is a 413 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: show about her handling her grief, told through American sitcoms, 414 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 1: which she had used as a coping mechanism growing up. 415 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: Is there something special about today? Well, I know the 416 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: apron is a bit much, dear, but I am doing 417 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: my best to blend in. No no, no on the calendar. 418 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: Someone's drawn a little hard quite above today's day. Oh yes, 419 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: the heart. Well, don't tell me you have forgotten this 420 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: forgotten a longer. I'm incapable of forget from us. I 421 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: remember everything that's not an exaggeration. In fact, I'm incapable 422 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: of exaggeration. Well, then tell me what's so important about 423 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: today's date? What was of courtion you forgotten? And you 424 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: just have to kind of go along for the ride 425 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: because it is it's kind of it's a little trippy, 426 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: as they might say, right, and you're like, wait a second. 427 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: For me, of course, it harkened back to my childhood 428 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: watching those sitcoms and uh, you know, like it's it's 429 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: a it's it's a real lift of Bewitched and you're 430 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: kind of the Gladys Gravitz character, right, Yes, exactly, Wonda. 431 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: Can I give you a bit of friendly advice? Is 432 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 1: it about the way I'm dressed? Yes, but it's too 433 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: late for that. Dottie is the key to everything in 434 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: this town. Country club memberships, parties, school admissions. Well, let's 435 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: not get ahead of ourselves. You get in with Dottie 436 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: and it'll be smooth sailing from here on out. Just 437 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: mind your peace and queues and you're gonna do just fine. 438 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: Or maybe I could just be myself more or less, Wanda, 439 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: that's good. I think part of the fun is to 440 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: see how everything unfolds, because it's very confusing. It's a 441 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: puzzle box and it's a it's a slow burn at first. Um, 442 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: but I think that the that your patients will pay off. 443 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: And I also think just to your point, Katie, to 444 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: just enjoy the nostalgia of looking at some of these 445 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: old sitcoms, and if you're a younger person and hasn't 446 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: seen these old sitcoms, it's kind of amazing to watch 447 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: how comedy has evolved, a how culture has evolved. Be 448 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: um uh just you know, I loved it from an 449 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: actress point of view, just to see like where women's 450 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: voices registered from the fifties on, Like, it was so 451 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: interesting to do a deep dive into that, right, it 452 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: was so weird, like how high it was and like 453 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: no one landed sentences, like the women always kept it 454 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: like it was kind of always a question at the end, 455 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: like not threatening, and it was like oh god, um. 456 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: And so it's kind of like a deep dive in 457 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: those ways. But then there's also this kind of twilight 458 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: zone element to the whole thing that keeps you, that 459 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: keeps this tension happening. Um. And then it's full and 460 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: m cu um extravaganza at the end, so you know 461 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: that that's coming um, but the way it unfolds is 462 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: very very unexpected. It was a really ambitious um and 463 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: beautiful ambitious pitch by Jack Schaefer. The writer, and I 464 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: Matt Chackman, the director, and Kevin Fagi, who came up 465 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: with the idea, and I was just so thrilled to 466 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: hear about it. And like I had said before, I 467 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: couldn't have dreamt of a of a more incredible part 468 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: to enter this world in. And you know, and I 469 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: don't think you necessarily think of Marvel TV and female 470 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: centric in the same in the same sentence, So it 471 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: is really departure from what we've come to expect. Yes, 472 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: And Jack Schaefer, who wrote it, is a woman, and 473 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: Jack wrote the whole series, and like most of the 474 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: writer's room were women, and the fact that it is 475 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: a that was also a huge turn on for me, Katie, 476 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: is that the right is that it's basically a superhero 477 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: origin story rooted in feelings and grief and not just 478 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: like you know, getting hit by a magnet or whatever 479 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: and that's how you get yourself. It's like it is 480 00:29:54,320 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: actually rooted in processing feeling and that there was being 481 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: very new and um interesting about that to me. And 482 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: the fact that it is so women woman centric was 483 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: also of course very interesting to me. Um And to 484 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: take the idea of like the domesticity and kind of 485 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 1: start to flip it and just to see like where 486 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: we've come and like all of it historically, like where 487 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: we find where is our power source? Like where is 488 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: our Like it's all of it is baked into the 489 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: stew of this show for sure. And I was, um, yeah, 490 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: just tickled, tickled to be a part of it and 491 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,479 Speaker 1: so happy it landed the way it did. So exciting, 492 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: it really has. So what is the reaction been getting 493 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: back to you? Catherine? And uh, I want to want division. 494 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think now people are seeing you 495 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: in a whole new light? Tell me, because that this 496 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: Marvel universe is just chocolate block full of crazy fans. 497 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: So what has happened to you? Yeah? I mean my 498 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: kids are nicer to me. Um, I when I think, 499 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: I mean it is like the fan base is really 500 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: truly amazing. And Lizzie I remember Lizzie and Paul saying, 501 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's a bummer that you don't get to 502 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: experience the in person thrill of some of these premieres 503 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: or junkets, because you know, it's very it is a 504 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: real thrill. Um because you know, I'm again, I'm just 505 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: like at home, So I have no real sense of 506 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: of any of it, but um that surely you're kind 507 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: of getting I mean fan mail, and you know, obviously 508 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: people are talking about it, and my frands on TikTok 509 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: keeps telling me that there's like a gazillion TikTok's which 510 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: are so sweet to think about, and like, the meme 511 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: makes me laugh a lot, the hear heartness. Your character 512 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: even has her own theme song that is like us 513 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: top the iTunes chart, What is happening? What is happening, 514 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: Catherine On? I mean that was written by the loafez 515 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: is like it that is that was a really crazy week. 516 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: When I heard that, I was like, you guys are kidding. 517 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: I was like, what are you talking about? Yeah? Billboards, 518 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: billboard charts, billboards. I can't even talk, Yeah, the billboards. 519 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: Were you a Marvel person before this all happened? I 520 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: mean I was. I watched the Marvel all the the 521 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: vendor stuff with my kids. But then when I mean, 522 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: I was really so moved and thrilled and profoundly affected 523 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: by Black Panther. I loved it so much. And then 524 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: then I was so excited by um Captain Marvel, and 525 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: so excited that um it was led by a woman 526 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: by Bree And then I was so excited to hear 527 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: about the slate coming up and how many women and 528 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: how many incredible filmmakers are involved. Um, so yeah, there's 529 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: like I'm so excited about this next chapter and there 530 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: have and of course because of my children. UM, I 531 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: knew enough to get into all the Avenger movies, but 532 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: I definitely needed a rush up before starting this for sure. 533 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: So are you going to be a part of the 534 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: this world in the future. What's going on or do 535 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: you have a special Can we break some news here, Katherine? 536 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: What if I wish? I have zero idea. No one 537 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: has said, no one has breathed a word, so I 538 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: have no idea. I did find one of my long 539 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: black nails in a bag, and it made me very 540 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: nostalgic that I had lost one of my black Agathont nails. 541 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, which were hell about my duct tape? 542 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: But I could Agatha resurface though you think, I mean, 543 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: they certainly leave it that way. All right, So let's 544 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: talk about what you're doing now, Catherine. You are doing, Um, 545 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by this project you're doing, The Shrink next Door, 546 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: which is based on a podcast which takes place in 547 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: Southampton with Paul Rudd and Will Ferrell And can what 548 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: can you tell us about that? Because I think I 549 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: have a friend who said she lived near the real 550 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: person when this happened, So can you can you kind 551 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: of explain what this is all about? And when does 552 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: it come out? I'm not sure when it comes out. 553 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: I know it's Apple and it's um uh written. The 554 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: show runner is the amazing Georgia Prochette, who did um 555 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: Uh worked on Veep in succession and she's an incredible, 556 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: incredible writer. And it's an adaptation like just a based 557 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: loosely loosely loosely on the podcast called The Shrink next 558 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: Door and which kind of follows a person's relationship longtime 559 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: relationship with their therapist uh turned business partner and kind 560 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: of how they were maybe taken advantage of financially and 561 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: emotionally over a very long period of time. And you 562 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: played the sister of the of the patient, right, play 563 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 1: the sister of the patient, who is who they stopped 564 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: communicating for about thirty years during this relationship that he 565 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: formed with his uh ex therapist turned business partner. But 566 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: it sounds like a creepy study and codependency. Is it funny, 567 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: is it serious? What is it exactly? It rides? Will 568 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: hopefully ride the line, um ride right on that line 569 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: between between the both. Of course it's going to be 570 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: funny because it's those incredible gentlemen and who are just 571 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: I humbly think going to be magnificent in it, and um, 572 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: hopefully it'll be right between because it is really like 573 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: I mean, just the work I've been able I mostly 574 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 1: work with Will in it, and the work I've seen 575 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: him do already is just heartbreak hotel. So I'm very 576 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: excited so for the world to see it. I love 577 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: him very much, both of them. I'm very excited to 578 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: see it too, and I think everybody is thrilled for 579 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: all your success. Wait to see what you do next. 580 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: And um, just great to talk to you. You know everything. 581 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: The last time I saw you was was when people 582 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: used to have parties and you were so generous and 583 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: sweet to me. I just will never forget it. I 584 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, oh my gosh. Anyway it 585 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: was you remember those things I do I do. I 586 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: don't think I want to go back to wearing heels, 587 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: but I would like to go back to seeing people. 588 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's almost gonna be weird because are you 589 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: going to be thinking, oh, this person is kind of 590 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: breathing on me. Am I going to be okay? Like 591 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: when you even just talking in normal conversation. I think 592 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: it's going to be this big adjustment period. And it's 593 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,439 Speaker 1: like when you watch TV shows and you're like they're 594 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: sitting too close or there's too many people at that party. 595 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: Are you know they're not being careful? What are they doing? 596 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: It's so weird that all the time. And then I 597 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: read I just read this article about like why it's 598 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: okay to feel super anxiont, super exhausted and a bit 599 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: anxious after you've had an in person social interaction, and 600 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: it was basically like a you are taking in as 601 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: much oxygen, so you're just exhausted because you've got the 602 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: mask mask on, so you have to shout so it's 603 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: like more energy. And then see, like, you know, I 604 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: feel like I'm deaf by the way, because I can 605 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: never understand anybody, can under stand anybody. I think I 606 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: am getting a little deaf. On top of that, I 607 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: am too and the wrong words are coming out. And 608 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: also I'm just not used to interactions in person, and 609 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 1: so I just feel like I'm like, like everyone's trying 610 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: to relearn how to be an actual human being. I think, 611 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: so it's gonna be very whatever parties they are, there 612 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: should be disclaimers about like how awkward the interactions are 613 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: gonna be. I know, you know, it's funny. I did 614 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: um Allen Show to just talk about a bunch of 615 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: stuff and you know, Jeopardy and that my cancer work, 616 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: and like, I couldn't think of words because I was 617 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: I felt so much pressure being like in person, and 618 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean I sometimes have like brain farts anyway, but 619 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: I just was like it was just weird. I I 620 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: felt sort of on edge being face to face with 621 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: somebody I didn't see regularly in talking. Yes, the fact 622 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 1: that you have had that experience, I feel so seen, 623 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: and I feel like so many people are gonna are 624 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: gonna feel seen hearing that, because I find that all 625 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: the time. And I'm feeling very reassured because you are 626 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: so brilliant and the fact that you're having a hard 627 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: time finding finding words is making you feel a teeny 628 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: bit better because I couldn't find the word ricotta yesterday. 629 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: The ricotta cheese, like it was broad just absolutely gone, 630 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: Like I think my daughter had to be like Ricotta, 631 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: Like I literally like was absolutely out of my mind forever. Well, 632 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: they should reassure everyone listening who is having multiple daily 633 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: brain farts that, um, it's all. And I should have 634 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: Sanche goop to talk about what this has done to 635 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: our brains and our memories. And I think maybe that 636 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: will help people to Catherine, really great to see you. 637 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: I I can't wait till one day I can see 638 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: you in person. But in the meantime, you know, huge 639 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 1: congratulations on everything, and uh, what can I say? We 640 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: we love you and I you know, we're just so 641 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: happy and proud happy for you. I'm proud of you. 642 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: There you go, I got those words right, but the best. 643 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: I am so flattered to be on this and thank 644 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: you so much. Catherine Hahn hashtag new favorite person. If 645 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: you haven't already, you can catch her on Wan Division 646 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: on Disney Plus. Next Question with Katie Kurik is a 647 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Media and Katie Kurk Media. The 648 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: executive producers are me, Katie Curic, and Courtney Litz. The 649 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 1: supervising producer is Lauren Hansen. Associate producers Derek Clements, Adriana Fasio, 650 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: and Emily Pinto. 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