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Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This

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Speaker 1: is Col's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calahan. Here's

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Speaker 1: cal A Pennsylvania woman is taking the state Fish and

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Speaker 1: her illegal pet, whitetail deer. The deer dubbed Baby, was

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Speaker 1: removed earlier this month from the home of Tammy Sheary

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Speaker 1: in Fayette County, PA. Wildlife officials said it was illegal

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Speaker 1: for Shari to keep a white tail deer as a pet,

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Speaker 1: which is true because of the law, but a video

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Speaker 1: went viral online and even the ubiquitous busiest man in

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Speaker 1: the world, Elon Musk, decided to weigh in. He posted

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Speaker 1: on X authorities need to stop doing this. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: exactly what he means, but most people take it as

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Speaker 1: a reference to the peanut the squirrel incident. Peanut was

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Speaker 1: confiscated and euthanized by New York wildlife officials last year.

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Speaker 1: Shehery claims that she adopted the deer as a fawn

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Speaker 1: from apparently a deer adoption agency. We don't know. Story

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Speaker 1: is still out she's gone through all the necessary paperwork,

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Speaker 1: but not with the state of Pennsylvania and vaccinations to

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Speaker 1: keep the deer as a pet. There's also a petition

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Speaker 1: circulating online that claims Baby is a certified emotional support animal.

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Speaker 1: Wildlife officials apparently disagree, but we'll find out for sure

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Speaker 1: on April three. Surey's charges have been dropped, but she's

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Speaker 1: not dropping this issue. The Bring Baby Home campaign has

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Speaker 1: April third, which, if Baby's X feed is to be believed,

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Speaker 1: is the day we'll finally get some answers. Let us

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Speaker 1: know what you think should our public wildlife be up

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Speaker 1: for adoption? Askcl at the meaeater dot com. This week,

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Speaker 1: we've got legislation mineral mandate crime in the mail bag.

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Speaker 1: But first I'm going to tell you about my week.

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Speaker 1: And my week has been spent wishing I was fishing.

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Speaker 1: It was normal wintry spring weather here in the Greater

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Speaker 1: it's seventy one degrees. Of course, by the time you

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Speaker 1: listen to this, it should be snowing again. Highlight of

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Speaker 1: my week was going up to the state Capitol, Helena, Montana.

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Speaker 1: It's the fourth quarter of our state legislative session and

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Speaker 1: House Judicial twenty four, which is a motion to have

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Speaker 1: the state of Montana to join Utah's lawsuit which disputes

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Speaker 1: the ability of our nation to own Bureau of Land

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Speaker 1: Management land. The hearing started late. I admit I had

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Speaker 1: a drive ahead of me, so I snuck out after

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Speaker 1: giving testimony. But apparently ninety people, the vast majority of

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Speaker 1: whom were representing themselves as individuals on behalf of what

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Speaker 1: they believe the best interest of their home state to be,

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Speaker 1: gave their testimony in opposition of the motion to join

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Speaker 1: Utah's lawsuit. The ten folks slash interests signed up to

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Speaker 1: give testimony in support of joining the lawsuit ultimately chose

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Speaker 1: not to give testimony. I like to think because all

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Speaker 1: of us were so darn persuading in our arguments. Big

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Speaker 1: thanks to everyone who took the time to show up.

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Speaker 1: It does matter, It does make a difference. Another one

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Speaker 1: on really just the fact that the leaseholders want them,

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Speaker 1: And that's a big difference between state and federal lant.

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Speaker 1: State lands are managed for profit on behalf of the shareholders,

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Speaker 1: which would be the school systems. Federal lands and this

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Speaker 1: even if you are not in a state that is

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Speaker 1: remember that this podcast does not cover at all. The

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Speaker 1: purpose is to perk up your interest and understand that

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Speaker 1: stuff is happening that affects you and your kids and

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Speaker 1: The fee hikes were included in a massive budget bill

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Speaker 1: This is just the latest in a trend among many

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Speaker 1: describes a specific reason the transfer might make sense. But

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Speaker 1: any real power. It tells the federal government what the

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Speaker 1: state thinks, but it can't dictate what the Feds will do.

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Speaker 1: In Connecticut, HB seven two three one would authorize hunting

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Speaker 1: on Sundays, and several bills would authorize a limited black

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Speaker 1: bills addressing black bear in Tike Big thanks to listener

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Speaker 1: Stephen Apgar for sending those in. A Texas state Rep.

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Speaker 1: Was forced to backtrack earlier this month after he filed

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Speaker 1: a bill that would have abolished the Texas Parks and

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Speaker 1: he said he's frustrated with how the Wildlife Agency regulates

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Speaker 1: the captive deer industry. His bill would have disbanded TPDW

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Speaker 1: pups are still around. The Michigan United Conservation Clubs condemned

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Speaker 1: Moving on to the Trump desk, the Trump administration issued

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Speaker 1: Immediate Measures to Increase American Mineral Production. It begins quote,

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