1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: We worked so hard. Like what people don't understand about 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: that show is that there's not just the singing component. 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: The kids now on the show, they don't do it 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: as much. But we were basically product promoters. So every 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: week we had to shoot commercials for Coca Cola board, 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Old Lavy. 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: Did you get any did you guys to make money 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: off that? No, they didn't pay you all to shoot 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: those commercials. 10 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: They paid us with careers. Career. 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: That's Ruben Studed explaining what it really felt like to 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: be on American Idol. 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 3: Can you believe they were shooting commercials and not getting paid? 14 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: Highway robbery? 15 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: Robbery? 16 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: I tell you they can't get away with that. Today, 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: enjoy this edition of Naked. 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 4: It's the greatest discourse in entertainment. 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: Can they get putting? 20 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 4: Carry Champions? And carry Champion is going to be a Champion. 21 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 4: And they care with Sheppy and they John Chapion. They 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 4: care with SHEPPI and they care with Shepy. 23 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: Afraid Hey everybody, So I have a I have a thought. 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: I And first of all, welcome to Naked, Thank you 25 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: for being here. You already know who our guest is, 26 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 2: mister Rubin Studded, But I will say this, here's my thought, 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: especially after talking to Ruben. My thought is the days 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: of men, men specifically sinking about their emotions and how 29 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: they feel and how they need a woman and how 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 2: much they love their lady and how they need they 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: need her in their lives and they want to spend 32 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: the rest of their lives with her. I just don't 33 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: feel like we sing like that or hear those songs anymore. 34 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: That could just be me. Now, I will say this. 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: I know there are a series of artists that are 36 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: doing this indie, but I'm talking mainstream, like on the 37 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: radio here it consistently Marvin Gays if you will. Mainstream, 38 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: they're artists that are very similar. But mainstream is what 39 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Just in our zeigeistis all the time, 40 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: Marvin Gays, if you will, the Smokey Robinson's, the Luther 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: Vandros's of the world. 42 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: Where are they? 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: Where are those songs where you're like, oh, he really 44 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: loves me. He remember back in the day. I don't 45 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: think you'll do because y'all not old enough. But back 46 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: in the day, somebody make you a mixtape. Now they 47 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: send you a playlist, but it is of all the 48 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: stuff about how they feel. You know, the oldest person 49 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: loves me. I don't think we do that anymore. And 50 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: today's guest, in my opinion, is one of the few 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: that has that really soulful voice where you're cleaning up 52 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: the house on Saturday morning. You know you're sweeping the carpet. 53 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: You can't use the vacuum, you're sweeping the carpet. Your 54 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: mom is yelling at you to make sure you clean 55 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 2: the house. Well, his music is really special. You remember 56 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: him from American Idol Season two, he won it all. 57 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: He's continued to have an amazing career and he has 58 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: a new album out the way I remember, but we 59 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 2: talked about his American Idol experience, which I believe really 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: set the tone for competition reality shows today. He explained 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: how he was a part of what changed our viewing 62 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: experience when it comes to reality and competition shows. He 63 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: gives me a really great idea or illustration of what 64 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: American Idol was able to do for the voice for 65 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: the mass singer for all of these reality competition shows, survivor, 66 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: you name it. 67 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: It's really really. 68 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: Interesting to hear that perspective, and also it's wonderful to 69 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: see that twenty years later, he is living his best life. 70 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: He just had another baby. As to babies, and he 71 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: just got off tour with Clay. Clay was the runner 72 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: up from season two. Y'all remember Clay Aigan. They had 73 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: a whole tour that was like a slice of nostalgia 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: if you want to remember American idol during that time. 75 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 3: Genius who comes up with this? 76 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: I'm really grateful to have rub and stuttered on the podcast. 77 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: I also ask him who currently is the king of 78 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: R and B. I'd like your thoughts on that too. 79 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: Take a listen and welcome to Naked. 80 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 4: Champion and carry chatty and and carry chatty. 81 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: We're this is exciting for me. Thank you so much 82 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: for being here, being a fan for for a very 83 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: very long time. I listened to your album this morning, 84 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: and congratulations. I think this is the first time that 85 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: you put out some original music in a decade or so. 86 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: Right or wrong, I'd spill about maybe maybe six years. 87 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, six year. I just rounded all the way up. 88 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: Six years. 89 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: I rounded way up then. And this album, I know 90 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: you said was inspired by your wife. But I'm really 91 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: curious because obviously I love the sports. 92 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 3: Why Gretzky it's just. 93 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: A playohold sports man. You know, he is the one 94 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: of the greatest hockey players to ever play the game. 95 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: I thought, I personally didn't write the song, right, I 96 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: just oh, okay, okay. I heard that song and I thought, 97 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: that's cool. That's a cool way to you know, like 98 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: talk about something in an R and B way, you 99 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I went in the booth 100 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: and I think it turned out well. 101 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: It turned out really well for those listening the way 102 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: I remember it. Ruben stuttered, and he has a series 103 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: of songs on here, and one of which is Gretzky, 104 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: and I'm thinking Wayne Gretzky. I don't know if you 105 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 2: all are familiar with the greatest ever to do it, 106 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: at least in my opinion and hockey side note though, Ruben, 107 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: I'd send a text to his one of his agents, 108 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: because I know I was like, tell Wayne to listen 109 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: to this, this is amazing. 110 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: And then he goes, do you know him? Do you 111 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 3: have any relationship with Wayne Gretzky at all? 112 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: Bet Wayne Gretzky twice. Actually, one of my producers is 113 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: from Canada, David Foster, and so several of his events, 114 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: mister Gretzky is there. So I've met him like twice, 115 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: once I think in in Toronto and another time I 116 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: think in like a little small town outside of Bangkoop. 117 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: If I not did you send him the single? 118 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: I don't have his number to send it to of us, I'm. 119 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: Not like, maybe he like, hey, Wayne, I got something 120 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: for you, and who does right, I don't even think 121 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: he has a cell phone. 122 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like, you know, you got to get 123 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 3: into somebody. Anyway. 124 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: I sent it to one of his marketing agents. I 125 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: hope that he's literally this was just minutes ago, like 126 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: probably thirty minutes ago, I was saying to myself. 127 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: I also thought it was so cool because when we 128 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: were when I was a kid, like I remember being 129 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: in middle school with all of us either happened to 130 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: have anything with like Los Angeles even though we're Braham 131 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: and we had to have a Bo Jackson jersey because 132 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 1: of course he's from Alabama, Wayne Gretzki like anything with 133 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: that black and silver, like it was like hot back 134 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: in the day. So it was cool it was. 135 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: And your love of sports, what I did not know. 136 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: Your love of sports began I probably for a long 137 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: time Obviously you grew up in the South. 138 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: You guys love football Friday nights or everything there. But 139 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: you you. 140 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: Played your freshman year in college at Alabama and m 141 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: is that true? 142 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: It's direct. I was on scholarship, went to Alabama and University. 143 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: I played well as a child. I played football and 144 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: baseball from like five to thirteen, and then I focused 145 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: prime minis did, well, this is what everybody does. Guy here, 146 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: like we you know, in the fall, you played football, spring, 147 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: you play baseball. So it was like, you know, it 148 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: is what it did. I think I really got serious 149 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: about football maybe my sophomore year at high school. I 150 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: had a coach that was like really impressed upon me. 151 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: He was like, man, you got the size, the footwork. 152 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: You need to like really focus on football. So I 153 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: started doing that and that's what landed me at Alabama 154 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: and University. But I really went there. People didn't know 155 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: I really went there because of the music a part, 156 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: like I was going to play football, but I was 157 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: secretly like excited to be there with doctor Carney Tucker 158 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: and all the people in the music department. So they 159 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: kind of like won me. 160 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: Oh, They're like they were like it didn't take much yeah, 161 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: I love that though. Well, obviously you made correct decisions, sir. 162 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: I have been interested in and when you have such 163 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: a gift, right when people are really talented. So if 164 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 2: you're talented at a certain age and you know you 165 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 2: can play sports well and you can sing, did you 166 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: know that singing was going to be your way to 167 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: reach people to do the work that you have been 168 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: blessed to do. 169 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: I knew. I think when I was about twelve years 170 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: old that my voice had a different thing to it, 171 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: and I couldn't explain that to people like I could. 172 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: I could just see what people's reactions to my singing 173 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: at that age was right, because I've been singing since 174 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: I was fine, So people will always give you an 175 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: a man hallylujah. When you're a kid and you're singing 176 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: at church or singing at some programm at school, everybody's 177 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: going to give you an applause. But when I got 178 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: to be about twelve, their reaction shifted, like people will 179 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: be like that kid is like that's that's that's not average. 180 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: So I kind of I enjoyed the reaction that I 181 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: got from people, and it never stopped. And I'm I 182 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: think that I chose the correct career path because it 183 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: gives me, you know, a chance to be creative, but 184 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: also it kind of fulfills me in a way like 185 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: where I give you know, people something to listen to 186 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: and to grab a holl too, you. 187 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: Know, being a part of and I call it a 188 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: slice of Americana. Like for instance, Saturday Live is pop culture. 189 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: It's just a it's a part of who we are. 190 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: Jeopardy the TV show is a part of American culture. 191 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: You can go anywhere in the world world and you 192 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: know Jeopardy, or you'll know Saturday Night Live, and you 193 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: will know American Idol. You won season two, and I 194 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 2: know that you thought, from my understanding that you didn't 195 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: want to participate, but after Kelly won season one, you're like, 196 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: well why not? 197 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: Right, Take me. 198 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: Back to that moment of auditioning and ultimately winning. I 199 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: just want to talk about that whole experience because I 200 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: would think that would have to feel surreal for you 201 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: being from Alabama and then being a part of something 202 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: that was larger than life at the time. 203 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: You know, the reason why auditioned is because I was 204 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: in a band called justsic Ucatz at the time and 205 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: one of the background Singers was like, listen, I think 206 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm an audition for America ILOM you should go with. 207 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: And I was like this, I don't know, I'm kind 208 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: of all the fans about that, and I did ultimately 209 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: just just decided to go and just see what it 210 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: was all about now, really like caring whether or not 211 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: I won or lost, not having any expectation of what 212 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: was going to happen. And I went there and of 213 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: course we had to camp out for a day to 214 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: get a number. It was a whole deal. And then 215 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: when I finally got the audition, it was several different 216 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: auditions before I got to be in front of Randy 217 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Paula inside. So you had the audition once for assistant producers, 218 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: executives and then Randy Paula inside, So three auditions before 219 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: you get to the one on television, right, So you 220 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: go through that. And I knew pretty early on in 221 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: my going to Hollywood that I was like, you can 222 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: you can kind of tell like that you were in 223 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: the talent group, because there was like you can tell 224 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: they had a group of people that were there for 225 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: the image part, and they were there and they had 226 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: a group of people that was just there to flat 227 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: out Sin and like I remember the first time I 228 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: heard French like she was like you knew, like she 229 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: was there to bring the house down, and Clay for instance, 230 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: like all these like they had like Kimberly locked these 231 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: people they brought to Sin and I felt like I 232 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: measured up with everybody that I felt was the best 233 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: in the crowd and kind of gave me the confidence 234 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: to keep moving forward. As far as making it into 235 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: the top ten, that was you know, I didn't have 236 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: an expectation of that. I just wanted. I really wanted 237 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: to go and get the experience because I was from Alabama. 238 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: There aren't very many opportunities in the music industry that 239 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: are happening in Alabama at that time that are now, 240 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: but there wasn't at that time, and I knew I 241 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: had to get away from Alabama to do what I 242 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: wanted to do. So it gave me that opportunity. Being 243 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: on the show was surreal because you learn how people 244 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: how the world were fans of the show because of 245 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: who you would seeing the audience. He would you know, 246 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: show up to the to the sound check or the 247 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: show and there's some random celebrity sitting in the front row, 248 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: like they had. 249 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 3: Like humomom dish please. 250 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: I remember all the people from Days of our Lives 251 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: will be there because we take we were in the 252 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: same lot like CBS Lives, so like they had a 253 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: lot of shows going on. So like we were eating 254 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: like I remember eating lunch at like the Victor Newman 255 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: like came into uh cafeteria. All of us were like, 256 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: what is his name? Is not Victor Neward? I think 257 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 1: that's just his name? 258 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 2: Ye, yes, yes, his name is Victor Newman. He don't 259 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: have no other name that I know. He will forever 260 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: be Victor Newman. 261 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: I think, Uh, I think Gabrielle Union came to an episode. 262 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: I mean it was just like all the time, there 263 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: were people showing up, like Ta and Tamara were there 264 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: a lot. They would they actually had signs and stuff 265 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: like they were like and we were. 266 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 3: Like, they were like, we're here, We're here to support. 267 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, we would be bugging out backstage because of like 268 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: all the people and then of course our guest judges 269 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: like Bertie White, Gladys Knight, all Burt Background, all these 270 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: legends that were there to like give us advice, which 271 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: it was unexpected. We only expected to be around Randy 272 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: Paul that sign, like we never expected to meet Oprah 273 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: like that, Like Oprah takes an episode of her show 274 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: from our set while wow, yeah, like she's the whole 275 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: thing our house, like taking us around, like you know, 276 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: she was really like into it. So it was it 277 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: was a big deal in the moment. 278 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: Could you enjoy it her? Were you just sitting there 279 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: freaking out inside? Was a little kidding you like this 280 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: is unreal? God, thank you. There were moments that I 281 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: had an opportunity to enjoy. And it's especially because I'm 282 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 2: like a music geek, right and so like a lot 283 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 2: of the people that were helping us behind the scenes 284 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: were like these worldveruse music shits at singers and you 285 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: know people that I've seen like help like Tina turn Luke, 286 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: all these people like are working around the. 287 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: American Idol set. So it was just every day like 288 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: you're getting to meet people that shape music at entertainment 289 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: culture Culture Culture. 290 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: We had to take a quick break right here, pay 291 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: some bills, fast forward through the commercials. 292 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: Will be right back with Ruben stuttered. 293 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 4: Every Champion and Kerry Champions to be a Champion of 294 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 4: Champion and Kry Chappion and carry Chappy out a champion 295 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: and Kry Chappion and carry chap prayd is his sports 296 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 4: and entertainment canneke you weird Kerry Champion and Carrie Chappion 297 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 4: is to be a champion of Champion and carry CHAPPI 298 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 4: and Nigger Kitty got a champion and carry Chappion and 299 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 4: carried sheby pray is the sports and entertainment. 300 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: Cannegie were welcome back to naked. 301 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: He is here and he sings, Guys, he gave us, 302 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: He gives us a little bit, just a little a 303 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 2: little bit. 304 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 3: Of we need that. Thank you, Ruben. 305 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: You were clearly easy to love because of your spirit 306 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: and how easy going you were, and then you had 307 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: the voice. I remember Gladys Night calling you a teddy bear. 308 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 2: I think something like silky teddy bear. What was the 309 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: compliments you gave you that? 310 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: Hey? 311 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: And so, so I wonder because I know me, and 312 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: I know I'm competitive, and I don't care how kind 313 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: I am. There's this competitive edge that comes out. And 314 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: I want to know when you when it started to 315 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: get down to like the last three or four, last two, 316 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: were you still close with these people? Were you guys 317 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: still rooting for each other? Or was this there was 318 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: this I'm gonna sit in my room and work on 319 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: what I'm about to do this week. I can't be 320 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: were not best friends no. 321 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: More, you know what. I think the culture of the 322 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: show kind of shifted to that a couple of seasons after. 323 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: They were very intentional about making us feel like family, 324 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: so that the reactions to people leaving would be it was, 325 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: you know, clearly a television show, like and you can't 326 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: see that while you're in it. But they were very 327 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: intentional about making us like we had family dinners, like 328 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 1: we lived in the house together. Like it was like 329 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: very intensement. So when somebody left, it was like your 330 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: cousinly were sister you Like, I really had no expectation 331 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: of what was going or or or desire to be 332 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: the top person until we got into like the top 333 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: three and I was, and. 334 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 2: Then you was like, so then you started? Did you 335 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 2: start pushing people around and bullying people? 336 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: No, right at all. 337 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: I just like I'm kidding. 338 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: I was sharp focused on making sure my performances was good, 339 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because we worked so hard. 340 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: Like what people don't understand about that show is that 341 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: there's not just the singing component the kids Now on 342 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: the show, they don't do it as much. But we 343 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: we were basically product promoters. So every week we had 344 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: to shoot commercials a Coca Cola board, old Navy one 345 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: or two. 346 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: Did you get any Did you guys make money off that? No, 347 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 3: they didn't pay you. 348 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: All to shoot those commercials. They paid us with careers. 349 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 2: That's fine, But then bet you now, I bet you 350 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: now they getting paid if they have they don't do that, 351 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: I bet you're. 352 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: Getting paid now because you can't do that no more. 353 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: It's definitely different, so you know, like. 354 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's different when you're the first, one of 355 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: the first it's different, and so there are a lot 356 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: of new rules that are established as you guys go along. 357 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: I mean we were people like they were giving us. 358 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: I mean we had a new phone every week, you know, 359 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: anything that came out on AT and T, they were 360 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: like sending it to us, of course, but you're not 361 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: thinking like, of course they're sending it to Ruben, like 362 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: maybe you. 363 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 3: Know, yeah, yeah Ruben. 364 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 365 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: That was before we knew that product placement really could 366 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: be uh a cash cow if you would and also too, 367 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 2: when you when this show was first starting out a 368 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 2: lot of people and not in and and and not. 369 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: And I'm not. 370 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: Disrespecting the outcome because it worked out well for you. 371 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: But there are these these contracts, these predatory contracts. 372 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 3: We all have had them. 373 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 2: Like when I first started in the business, my very 374 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 2: first contract was insane, and I was like, why is 375 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: this even my contract? How am I even dealing with this? 376 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 377 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 2: Why isn't there like why is this allowed to happen? 378 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: And then as you go on and you figure out 379 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: the business, you learn what's right and what's not right. 380 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: So I am not saying anything disparaging, but I am 381 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 2: saying that they couldn't you know, they. 382 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 3: Couldn't do that today. Like you if you if they said. 383 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: Ruben Kubat and shoot ting commercials, you'd be like, Okay, 384 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 2: my agent will talk to you about the take commercials. 385 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna share absolutely. But it was you know, I 386 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,719 Speaker 1: call America out of Entertainment book is exactly yeah, like 387 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 1: you get the singing part is what that is? If 388 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: you got that, when you calm, you will be fine. 389 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: But we were taught how to interview, how to do copy, 390 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: how to you know, you know, do things at the 391 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: radio stations that require you to be fast, like miners 392 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: and notes, all these things that we, you know, wouldn't 393 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: have known otherwise, Like people said you like, most times 394 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: people get shot out into the music industry or the 395 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: whatever industry without any experience, And we got six months 396 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: work experience doing all these things which made us basically 397 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: professionals right after we left the show. 398 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: Wow, that's great, and that's invaluable. By the way, that's invaluable. 399 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: That that is invaluable in a lot of different ways. 400 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 2: So the runner up, Clay and you are still friends 401 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: to this day. From my understanding, now this is from 402 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 2: my hardcore American Idol friends. My best friend Kendred. I 403 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: was just talking to her. I go, I'm an interviewing Ruben. 404 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: She was like, oh, I love me some Ruben. Him 405 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: and Clay just went on tour like she has the 406 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: whole rundown. She gave me your schedule. You guys just finished, 407 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: I believe in February, and it was a slice of nostalgia. 408 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: Not only did you do covers and sing sing the 409 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 2: songs that you guys did on American Idol, you made 410 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: the experience visceral. It could reach out and touch the set. 411 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: Maybe talk to me about who came up with this concept. Well, 412 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: we wanted more specific Yeah. 413 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: We wanted to produce a show that made people feel 414 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: like they were back on America outset. So I mean, 415 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: we don't really really have the idle props because we couldn't, 416 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: but you know, we definitely had the sound effects and 417 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: all the things, you know, the drops from the legendary 418 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: guest judges that came and you know, you would hear 419 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: those kinds of things during the show. And we also 420 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: talked about you know, you know, we had all the stories. 421 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: We really went through. This is something that most people 422 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: don't know about the show that we just produced. We 423 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: went through absolutely every episode at our producer's house. We 424 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: watched all of it to kind of get the gems 425 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: out of like because you know, it's after twenty years. 426 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: You don't remember all the things that were saying or 427 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: thrown at you, and so we had opportunities sit down 428 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: and watch all that stuff and kind of put it 429 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: into the show where people can get you know, because 430 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times people are always asking us what 431 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: was it like on the show, We kind of like 432 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: talked about the experience. We sang a lot of the 433 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: songs that not just we sang, but a lot of 434 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: the other contestants saying during our season we kind of 435 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, took a trip down memory Lao season two. 436 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 3: I love that. I really truly loved that. 437 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: And then you were on Kelly's show and you guys 438 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: are going back and forth, back and forth. Kelly was like, 439 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 2: I'm glad I wasn't on your show, and you guys 440 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: are giving each other. I will say this just as 441 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: a fan watching the show the earlier and I know 442 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: you've heard this. The earlier The earlier years were the years, right, 443 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: the golden years where you really had true I think 444 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: people artists before it became you know, you know, like 445 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 2: social media, before it was infiltrated with what wasn't necessarily 446 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: authentic all the time. But the as you said earlier, 447 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: you knew the people who could sing, and you know 448 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 2: the people that were there for you know, the looks 449 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: and the talent of it all. And I feel like 450 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: it's set up this reality TV show where you have 451 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: to entertain. You see it with the mask singer, which 452 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: I believe you and Clay were on. You see it 453 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: with what does that America's got talent? Like over and 454 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: over again, it's been replicated and there seems to be 455 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 2: some some sort of success with it. Do you think 456 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: that you that you specifically had something to do with this, 457 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: this evolution of the entertainment singing reality show. 458 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: I think that our participation in the show definitely had 459 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: something to do with the evolution of reality competitions in general. 460 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: Like when you look at the way that all the 461 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: reality competitions are produced now they have three judges. Everything 462 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: is like, you know, like the way the camera shots look, 463 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: they look exactly like older American Idol shots. Like everything 464 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: it's watching the boys watching all these shows. It makes 465 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: me think about America Idol. Everything just has a different 466 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: twist to it, you know, but it's the same war. 467 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 3: No, it didn't. Simon Kyle have his hand on a 468 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 3: couple of these shows that when popular. We need our Simon, 469 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 3: we need. 470 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: Our we need our Randy Dog, we need our Pa 471 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 2: you know, our paulap Duel, we need that. Like he 472 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: was able to kind of make a couple of more shows. 473 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 2: And you're right, there was a formula, you know, and 474 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: you knew what would work. You then you produce it. 475 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: You you have this album that goes platinum after you leave. 476 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: And I wonder if there was any when you leave 477 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: them at what'd you say? 478 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 3: Two taps? Wait? Would tell me again? Two tames? What twice? 479 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 3: Two times? Two times? Two times platinum? Carrie? Get it right? Okay, yes, 480 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: got it by bad? So then you then you leave? 481 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: Was there a soft landing into the real world, the 482 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 2: real world, if you will, of entertainment without without all 483 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: of the props of American idol? Or was there this 484 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: jolt of oh, while I'm out here and it's not 485 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: American idols. 486 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: Because Clive Davis and the people at RCA Sony were 487 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: in partnership with our people at America, we really went 488 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: straight from the biggest televiusiness show to the biggest record 489 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: covery like there was no you know, and and we 490 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: we definitely benefited from being on the show because now 491 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: we're getting to learn but the next part of the 492 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: business from other greats, right, Because I mean, you can 493 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: think about to have Clive Davis involved with your first 494 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: three albums, you know, that's that's that's Aretha Franklin in County, 495 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That's yeah, like that that 496 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: put category people that we idolized, and so definitely was 497 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: really blessed to have the opportunity to be on j 498 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: RCA Records with him getting the opportunity to go around 499 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: the world thanking people for voting for me. That was like, 500 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, how And then you know, we went 501 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: shortly after the show. We didn't really leave each other. 502 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: We went on like sixty to any tour, like three 503 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: months after. 504 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: Oh you guys did do a tour together. It still 505 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: wasn't over. You guys still went out on tour together. 506 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: Did Wow? 507 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 3: Do you miss it? 508 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 1: Do I miss American ardoll or just what? I don't. 509 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: I'm going back to the show enough not to have 510 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: a feeling of wanting for the show, But I definitely 511 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: I love those people that were there working with us 512 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: like family. So anytime I get a chance to go 513 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: back there, it's like a class reunion where you're like 514 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: hugging everybody that you know. All of our assistant producers 515 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: all like assistant producers are now executives on the show. 516 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: So there, you know, it's you know, it's different going 517 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: back and seeing them like just like we'd elevated, they 518 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: all elevate. 519 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 3: Okay, so here's my question for you. 520 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: I'm really curious about life in Birmingham, Alabama. For you 521 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: post American idol like you have to be. I know 522 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: that you have a couple of honorary degrees, but you 523 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 2: have to be one of the biggest stars out of Birmingham. 524 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: Or do you have streets named out for you there? 525 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 2: Do you have to play for any kind of meal 526 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 2: when you go out and tell me all the perks? 527 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: Because I want to be able to say, I know 528 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 2: Rubin and can I get a hookup? 529 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: Well, listen, Birmingham is my city and they do love me. 530 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: But there are you know, we have several superstar athletes 531 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: that are from Birmingham. So I guess people are not 532 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: as starstruck as you may think. You know, you know, 533 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: Bear Bryant used to walk around here and be eating 534 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: who could have whatever? 535 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 3: A bear who don't nobody, don't bear caseing. He just 536 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 3: brought you guys. He just created that wonderful program there. 537 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: It's fine. 538 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: Three of the original Temptations are from Birmingham. 539 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: Okay, so you you like Harry, let me just put 540 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: this in perspective. Give me all the famous people, athletes 541 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 2: and entertainers from Birmingham. Three of the original Temptations Bear Bryant. Uh, 542 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 2: do you get Tuscaloosa is not considered Birmingham if people 543 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: make but everyone loves they love the head coach over there, right. 544 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick Saban, But you know it's it's you know, 545 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: thirty minutes up the world. 546 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 3: So okay, and who else? 547 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: I said, Bo Jackson, Let's see. 548 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, you haven't named anybody more 549 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: famous than Ruben Stuttard. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna put 550 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 2: him in order. 551 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: Oh nos, stop stop, ma'am. I have yet to have it. 552 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: Don't do that. Don't that the greatest athlete to ever 553 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: touch a football or baseball? Like? 554 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 3: Hey, guess okay, Bo? 555 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: No, okay, all right, Bo, Ruben Bear, Yeah, I. 556 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: Have to. I would have to put a list out 557 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: of the people that are from here we. 558 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: Have I'm gonna ask. 559 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask Siri when I get off, when I 560 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 2: get off this this podcast, and see what series says? 561 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 4: He says, every champion and Kerry champions to be a champion, 562 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 4: a champion and Kerry champion and carry chap bet a 563 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 4: champion and carry champion and carry chap is the sports 564 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 4: and entertainment can naked were every champion and carry champions, 565 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 4: to be a champion, out a champion and carry champion 566 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 4: their champion, and carry champion and carry champifraid is. 567 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 2: The sports and entertainment NICKI, Okay, So I'm really really 568 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 2: excited about a couple of things. So I remember it 569 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 2: you said this is inspired by your wife. 570 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 3: Tell me about that. And you have a song called Wife, 571 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 3: which I think is beautiful. 572 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: Tell me about the process of deciding six years later 573 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: it's time to make a song. I know you just 574 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: had another child, congratulations, and I think this is beautiful. 575 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 3: It's full circle. 576 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 2: But I want to know the process of making this 577 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 2: particular album for you. 578 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't very interested in making a new album only 579 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: because I had a different business model. I started doing, 580 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: uh these nostalgic cover shows. Produced a show called Ruben 581 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: Singh's Luther, which did really well for me and I. 582 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: You know, I had old desire to be in the 583 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: studio doing a project, and I went to So I'm 584 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 1: a very big hip hop fan, and I went to 585 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: see eight Ball at Mjgen at an outdoor festival in Mobile, 586 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: Alabama with me and this lady that writes scripts for 587 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: b et Just She's from Mobile, Alabama. She's had several 588 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: scripts like produced and she was like, we've been looking 589 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: for you. I said, Okay, who are you. She's like, 590 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: just poop my number of your wife's pall y'all called me. 591 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: Uh So I called her and they were producing straight 592 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: to the TV film on BT where they needed a 593 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: song for me. So I sang the song and I 594 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. And the producer that I recorded the 595 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: song where it was like, man, if you like that, 596 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: I got like twelve songs that you could hear, and 597 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: he played the way I remember it, which is something 598 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: that he had previously recorded, but the words were a 599 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: little different. I was like, oh, I love this, Like 600 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: I got write this a little bit to fit my relationship. 601 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: But you know, it definitely was one of those kind 602 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: of like musical aha moments. I was like, you know what, baby, 603 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: I should do a new record. You know, baby, it 604 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: is time. And I remember the very second studio session 605 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: I had. He's like, I'm thinking about writing song like 606 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: Easter speech. Like what is he talking about? What are 607 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: you talking about? He said, remember when we were kids, 608 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: we were do these Eastern speeches. That's like he is 609 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: for Easter every data and so anyway, I come downstairs 610 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: and he was like, what would you say if we 611 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: were spelling out? And so we just started going through 612 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: like the wife, like all the things that we would 613 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: say that out my wife meant to me with that 614 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: letter and it it turned into a smash and from 615 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: that point on that's how the album what was built. 616 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: And then to raw the album off. Most of my 617 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: very pop most recognizable songs were produced by a production 618 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: group called Underdogs with help from like Tank, Eric Dawkins 619 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: and all these other people that work with them. And 620 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: Eric came in at the very end with the song 621 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: called the Shake in My Head. It was just, you know, 622 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: the album just it happened. It really was just late 623 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: in my lap. I didn't have to do much to 624 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: make a great record with Balawil, the guy Balaywha Mohammad 625 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: Whun is one of the executive producers on the project. 626 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: I didn't have to do much because he really just 627 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: heard my voice. Because of that TV song we did. 628 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: It was like I got songs from you, let's do I. 629 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,479 Speaker 2: Love this by the way, I love all of it. Okay, 630 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: So then Masterpiece, from my understanding is doing really well. 631 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 2: You perform that as well, where's it at right now? 632 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have not keeping up, man, 633 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: I have listen, I have a new baby. 634 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 3: You're like, I'll get to that. 635 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: Sorry to be keeping up where those chart positions are. 636 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: But listen, my Papa says, said, it's doing what they're 637 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: supposed to do talking to y'all. I got some other 638 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: shows coming up later in the season, so listen. It 639 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: must be doing okay, because otherwise nobody want to have 640 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: anything to say. 641 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 3: Hello Hello. That's what's the best part about being a dad. 642 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: Two times, the best part about being a dad is 643 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: watching these little people that look like you and their 644 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: mother kind of emulate you in a way. Like I 645 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: didn't know that my song was paying very much attention 646 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: to me performing until one day we were downstairs watching 647 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: a video and he grabbed the microphone. He was like, Daddy, 648 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: I want to sing like you, And I say you 649 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: want to. From then on, like he just started like 650 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: grabbing anything and just like singing with by right now, 651 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: his favorite song is Won't He Do It? A song 652 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: by Korean Hearth of Heart. He's always singing there. That's 653 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: his jail now. By the way, I got to take 654 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: him to see Hary consort because he loves. 655 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 2: Us, so you said, and this really piqued my interest. 656 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 2: You said, the Luther Vandross the cover, what the covers 657 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 2: were doing well? And I noticed that you just launched 658 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: your own app. Are you still in terms of your 659 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 2: business model? Are you still doing that? 660 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: Yes? The Ruber singing Luthor, I don't think will ever 661 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: be something that I stop doing because the music is 662 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: so well, it's so good, and people people always want 663 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: to hear Luther Vandross's songs sang right, and I think 664 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 1: I do a good job of doing that as ring Good, 665 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: not as Luthor, but because no one could ever I 666 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: try to tell people like, this is not a Broadway musical. Well, 667 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be Luther. I'm just doing my best 668 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: interpretation of what I feel like I felt when I'm 669 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: a material, and I love it. I love the nostalgia 670 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: of it. I wouldn't normally ever be on stage with 671 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: Sparkley jacket on I'm gonna wear it like I'm generally 672 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: like a blazer kind of guy. But on that show, 673 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: I get to be outside of myself and I get 674 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: to like give people a real production because there you know, 675 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: it's a lot that goes into it. I have like 676 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: fool band a three background singers, like all these production 677 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: people that come with the Ruben singing Ruth of packets. 678 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: So it's it's a blessing that I've been able to 679 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: produce that. 680 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's beautiful and also too people no one 681 00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 2: today in my opinion, men, the R and B is 682 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: not the singing of how I feel in my emotions. 683 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 3: It's things have changed. It's it's very a lot of slang. 684 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: It doesn't it doesn't remind me of love songs, of 685 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 2: ballads of I really care about you, I want to 686 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,759 Speaker 2: be with you. You know, the baby making music of 687 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 2: the days are no longer here in my opinion, and 688 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 2: you're still able to give us that with your album, 689 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 2: this album. And also when you sing, you're like, oh, 690 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 2: this is what's missing. You know, when I hear you, 691 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is what's missing? That that soul. It's 692 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 2: and I don't want to say nostalgia, but it's it 693 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 2: feels very cultural, it feels very warm, it feels authentic. 694 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 2: Although that was a way in which everyone used to 695 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 2: do it, we've gone away from that. Do you intentionally 696 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 2: or is that just what you have. Do you intentionally 697 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 2: make music and sing music that reminds us of that 698 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 2: or is it just who you are in you? 699 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: I think it's a part of who I am. I mean, 700 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: like we all are the sum told of our lives 701 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: experience instant. My mom was a really big News Evangelois fan. 702 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,839 Speaker 1: Father also had this very large record collection, which you know, 703 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: allowed me to kind of explore and listen to things 704 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: I probably would normally have listened to based upon his 705 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: travel and army, so he brought things back that I 706 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: was able to listen to. And also I just love 707 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: music in general. So Luther's music was hot, was produced 708 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: at the highest quality, you know, the orchestrations and some 709 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: of the things in front of this albums were just 710 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,879 Speaker 1: you know, unmatched and that. And there are a lot 711 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: of singers now are doing very nostalgic retrosh you know 712 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: Marvin Gaye sound. 713 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 2: And. 714 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: Even ty Reese still has that kind of luther Esque 715 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: to me feel to his music. One of the last 716 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: songs he produced, uh I'll thank You ever be That 717 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 1: song is just that is like nostalgic R and B 718 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: like you got you know so many October London. All 719 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: these people are coming out now with you know that 720 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 1: real throwbacks. 721 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 3: Bringing it back. 722 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: I think really have a hunger for it, and so 723 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad to be a part of that renaissance, so 724 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: to speak. 725 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 3: I love it. I'm glad you are a part of it. 726 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: Can I. 727 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 2: There was a social media question going around the internet 728 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 2: and people were answering it two ways. There's one way 729 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 2: to answer it to be politically correct, and there's one 730 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 2: way to answer it if this is just how you feel, 731 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 2: truly how you feel. But who would you say is 732 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 2: the king of R and B? And you know why 733 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,760 Speaker 2: that conversation started to come. 734 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: Up living king of R and B? 735 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 3: Uh huh? 736 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 2: Or who period? He doesn't have to be living. I'll 737 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 2: ask you period, and then I'll ask you living. 738 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 1: I'll think that there is and let me just because 739 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: there's so much great work, it's hard to say who was, 740 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: Like if I if I was to compare, it's like 741 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,799 Speaker 1: comparing apples to oranges, Like Al Green is amazing and 742 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: so is Marvin Gate. Do we do we have Did 743 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,800 Speaker 1: we get classic, great, amazing material from both of those people? 744 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: Yes we did? Yeah, Yeah, Rookie Robinson is amazing and 745 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: so is Wilson. Did we get interior from both those people. 746 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: Yes we did. Luther vandros Is was amazing, but so 747 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,800 Speaker 1: was Freddie Jackson. 748 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 2: Oh what about Jeffrey Osborne. I just saw him on 749 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 2: someone's page the other day. 750 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: I mean, especially the eighties, Jeffery Osborne, people, Bryson, like 751 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: all these people that were singing, and I mean we 752 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: could go on billy oshit like you know, and I would. 753 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: I hate what nobody has to be at the top 754 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: of anything. You know. We called miss Aretha the Queen 755 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: of soul, but there were a lot of other great 756 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: bat soul saying and I loved her. There were gay 757 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: there were. 758 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 3: And but that's why she's queen, you know. 759 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 2: There there is there is a hierarchy in what we're 760 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,840 Speaker 2: getting and so so for them to say Aretha is 761 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 2: queen is appropriate based on singing. I think what she 762 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 2: gave us, what she did for the culture and the community, 763 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 2: I get it. But there's some You're right, I want 764 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 2: to come on and say, well I did another queen 765 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 2: for me is someone can say, Patty, you know. 766 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 3: What I mean? 767 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: There was this vocals. 768 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 3: Unmatched, So I think Queen is apropos and. 769 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: The thing that was so great her is that everybody, 770 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: whether it was Gospel or the R and B or sacred, 771 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: they all respected her voice like she shut everybody, like 772 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: you get no work. 773 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 3: The internet, she look queen. They would go to Aretha. 774 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 2: There was this infamous clip and they go to Aretha 775 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 2: and they ask her about all thes have you ever 776 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 2: seen that that are out currently? 777 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 3: When that was a while ago. May she rest in peace? 778 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 3: And I knew what she was doing. 779 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,359 Speaker 2: She's classy as she could be, but if she talked 780 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 2: about singing, she's like soulful singers. She would say things 781 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 2: very complimentary, but you knew she was just like, yeah, 782 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 2: they don't do what we do anymore. And someone said 783 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift, she was like nice dresses, you know, Mariah Carrey, Oh, 784 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 2: she's pretty. Like it was very respectful, but she was 785 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 2: saying what I do isn't what they do. So I 786 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 2: have one. The debate that was on the internet started 787 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 2: when Usher did the Super Bowl okay, and they were 788 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 2: like Usher Chris Brown, who dances and sings better? And 789 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,240 Speaker 2: there was this divisiveness I know, but I also felt 790 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 2: like it was a compliment as well. 791 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 3: To all the talent. 792 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,280 Speaker 2: When you start asking if it's hard to make that choice. 793 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 3: Would you make a choice between the two between singing 794 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 3: and dancing? 795 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: You know what, because Usher and I are closer in age, 796 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 1: I will just give it to him just because we're 797 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: closer in age, like you know we're But man, Chris 798 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: Brown is like he's amazing, And that's why I don't 799 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: like that. I don't like that kind of situation. 800 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 3: Like the versus if you will. 801 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: After your after you made it to a point, you're 802 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: not in competition with anybody but yourself. 803 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 3: Amen, Amen, I like it. 804 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna title this the King of 805 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 2: R and B of Soul. The King of Soul, Ruben 806 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 2: Stuttered is the name of this of this podcast. And 807 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 2: you can't tell me. I can't because I am. 808 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: Kick. It's all. You better talk to, agree, you better talk. 809 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 2: To Congratulations on everything. The album the way I remember 810 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 2: a masterpiece single out now. I love gret Sky, I 811 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 2: think that's great. I love the the the homage to 812 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,439 Speaker 2: the wife, and I'm really excited that you're back doing 813 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,760 Speaker 2: new music. I'm glad the Luther covers will never stop 814 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,320 Speaker 2: because I will be there to watch live in person. 815 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 2: You really truly are a kind soul so thank you 816 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 2: so much for taking the time. 817 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: Thank you guys for having me. It's been an amazing 818 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: pleasure to speaking to me. 819 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 2: It's hard to say who the king of R and 820 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 2: B is is very true, and let me tell you this. 821 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,919 Speaker 2: When I have this discussion with any black man specifically, 822 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 2: they'll say R. 823 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 3: Kelly. 824 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 2: Hands down. They'll say you can't say it publicly, but 825 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,839 Speaker 2: they will tell me. I mean, I went to an 826 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 2: impromptu survey, I said, R Kelly, Chris Brown Usher, and 827 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 2: they have told me over and over again it is R. 828 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:41,800 Speaker 1: Kelly. 829 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 3: And for obvious reasons, I disagree. 830 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 2: But even if I had to just listen to his catalog, 831 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 2: I felt like all of R. Kelly's music sounded the same. 832 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,239 Speaker 2: It just didn't register with me. But for black men, 833 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 2: he is the king of R and B. And that 834 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 2: is because I went back to listen. He was singing 835 00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,879 Speaker 2: like they think, you know what I mean. 836 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 3: He was saying things that they love. 837 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying it gets representative of all black man, 838 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 2: but I am saying he really registered, which has a 839 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 2: lot to do, and I'll go I want to get 840 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 2: into Obviously, he will be in jail for the rest 841 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 2: of his life. But probably had a lot to do 842 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:20,000 Speaker 2: with why so many people ignored his hillacious past and 843 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 2: who he was as a human because he made good music. 844 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 2: Let's just keep it poky and make it uncomfortable that 845 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 2: we do not have that problem with one. Ruben stuttered, 846 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,800 Speaker 2: wonderful inside and out, a big teddy bear kind good spirit. 847 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,359 Speaker 2: You could see it, you could feel it, you could 848 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 2: hear it in his songs. He didn't want to necessarily 849 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 2: say anybody who's a king of R and B. Although 850 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,359 Speaker 2: we do agree that Aretha is the queen and we're 851 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,879 Speaker 2: not taking that from her. You're gonna have to debate that, 852 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 2: which Huntie with the slide and wig, because it's not 853 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 2: up for debate. Rip Aretha last, will not least you 854 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,160 Speaker 2: guys go out and check out his album. I think 855 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 2: it's really interesting that he is able to make music 856 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 2: some six years later and admittedly did not even think 857 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,920 Speaker 2: about making any more music. His business model had changed. 858 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 2: He was doing covers, he's doing tours, he was doing 859 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 2: things that he really enjoyed, and now he's back in 860 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 2: the studio and giving us more of his music, more 861 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 2: more for us to enjoy. And I think you guys 862 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 2: really really ought to check it out. Support Ruben, You 863 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 2: got to support the good ones. My thoughts on who 864 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 2: the king of R and B is? If you oh, 865 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 2: is that what you ask I hear you asking, well, 866 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Usher. I'm gonna say Usher over and 867 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 2: over again. That's for me, not for you, but for me. 868 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 2: If you say Prince versus Michael, who you taking, I'm 869 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,879 Speaker 2: taking Michael. Debate your untie with the sliding wig, because 870 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 2: that is my take. Okay, debate your untie with the 871 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 2: sliding wig. I'm going Michael over Prince day in and 872 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 2: day out, and then twice on Sundays. I don't care 873 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 2: what you think. And man narrated my entire childhood and adulthood. 874 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 2: If you ask me, I okay. So we got Whitney 875 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 2: and Beyonce and you're talking voice strictly voice. 876 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 3: Where y'all going. We're going Whitney. Obviously Beyonce had the 877 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 3: bigger career, but we're going. We're going Whitney. 878 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 2: Stop playing. Thank you for listening to Naked. We'll be 879 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 2: back next week.