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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Week fifteen. This is Between the

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Speaker 1: Horns and we are presented by YouTube TV. Whether you're

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Speaker 1: watching live or listening to the podcast, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us. I'm Jblong alongside team reporter Serena Morales and

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Speaker 1: Serena It's been a week since the last game. Feels

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Speaker 1: like a while since we've done this. I hear you

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Speaker 1: have a special guest behind the scenes this week for

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Speaker 1: us as well. I've got this little thing that hopefully

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Speaker 1: won't bark while we talk some Rams football, but I

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Speaker 1: did want to match you today. Once again, we are

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Speaker 1: twinting it up. I don't know, Maurice, you're out of it.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a dog, and you don't have this

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Speaker 1: dam's long sleep. I don't have a Rams long sleep,

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Speaker 1: but I do have a gray hoodie on, and so

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Speaker 1: I figure we're all matching. Nice backcakes behind you. There

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Speaker 1: is that a good morning football back drop? Yeah it is.

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Speaker 1: It's it's been a good morning, so I figure, why

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Speaker 1: not have it back there. I'm not eating the pancakes

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Speaker 1: for breakfast, but you know it makes me feel good

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Speaker 1: that I could just look there, Look at that. That's

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Speaker 1: your diet exactly. Well, as we know, the Rams are

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Speaker 1: coming off back to back wins against the Cardinals and

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. Another on Sunday would clinch a playoff berth

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Speaker 1: for the third time in four years under Sean mcbay's leadership,

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Speaker 1: and the winless the O and thirteen Jets are coming

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Speaker 1: to SOFI Stadium on Sunday. Before we get into that

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Speaker 1: matchup and how the Rams can avoid what feels like

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Speaker 1: a trap game, we revisit that dominant win wire to

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Speaker 1: wire against the Patriots from a week ago. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: felt good right, taken down Cam Newton, Bill Belichick and

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Speaker 1: the Patriots twenty four to three. So my question for

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Speaker 1: you guys, did the win over the Pads kind of

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Speaker 1: definitely did. I felt like this was a different matchup

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Speaker 1: that we've seen the Rams lose early in the season

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Speaker 1: to the Miami Dolphins. The physicality that the Patriots brought.

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Speaker 1: after Jared Golf had all those turnovers. The forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: what they've done physicality wise, like being more physical than

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Speaker 1: way they did, and then defensively it's pretty much shutting

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Speaker 1: And then obviously just to win that thing from wire

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Speaker 1: I know you're high on the Rams and the forty

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers are a great team, not doubting them,

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Speaker 1: make an NFL A playoff run. Right. Well, I said

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Speaker 1: it before the game and I'll repeat it here. I

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Speaker 1: And I just think collectively the effort that they put

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Speaker 1: put themselves in great position going into January. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But I'm definitely more bullish on the Rams this morning

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Speaker 1: addition of Matt Gay takes where our kicking wills right,

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Speaker 1: don't overlook the Jets. I mean, the first of all,

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Speaker 1: the regular season. Well, it's a little bit This team

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Speaker 1: GiB I'll start with you. I think you'd be crazy

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