1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: From our nation's how do we reopen this economy? The 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: latest on how this pandemic is impacting farmers. What does 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: this do? From the United States relationship with China? Bloomberg 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: sound on, the insiders, the influencers, the insides. We're responding 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: to this crisis and manufacturers are stepping up like never before. 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 1: You're looking at SEVENY Kennedy for different doctors. How do 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: we make sure a pandemic of this scale never happens again? 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin's Relation on Bloomberg 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven fm h D two. 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. It's Senator Kamala Harris. Joe Biden, the Democratic 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: resumptive nominee, has selected Senator Kamala Harris, the Democrat from California, 12 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: as his running mate, betting that her ties to the Senate, 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: to the African American community, and herself Ranning is a 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: progressive prosecutor, are going to help propel him to the 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: White House. Of course, we have every angle covered, the policy, 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: the politics, the personalities, and an exclusive behind the scenes 17 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: look at how this pick went down. We just learned 18 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: about it, folks, just within this last half hour, so 19 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: We are going to get to our team of all 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: star reporters and all star analysts in order to uh 21 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: and in order to cover every single angle. Plus we 22 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: are actually still awaiting reaction from six Pennsylvania Avenue. As 23 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: I get that reaction from President Trump from the president's 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: reelection campaign, we're going to bring that to you as well. Again, 25 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: we have every angle cover. Democratic presumptive nominee for President, 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden has selected Senator Kamala Harris, a Democrat from California, 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: as his running mate. Jennie's you know, is a Bloomberg 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: Politics contributor as well as an Iona College professor. She 29 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: joins us, as does my colleague Josh Wing Grove Bloomberg 30 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: White House reporter Josh. How will republic Kins react, How 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: will the President react? And do we have any reaction 32 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: from the White House with regards to this selection. We 33 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: have no reaction yet. We have interacted from the White 34 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: House or the campaign. I mean, clearly they're going to 35 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: try to paint both Harris and Boden as either overly 36 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: sympathetic of or stooges of the further left of the party. 37 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: That's going to be a tricky one, you know, It's 38 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: funny you wrote rewind you know, several months and one 39 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: of the knocks on Harris is that she had, you know, 40 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: pretty tough record as a prosecutor that maybe wasn't the 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: mood of the moment in the Democratic Party. Right. We 42 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: saw this playing a lot during uh, during during her 43 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: own time in the race. Uh. And now you know 44 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: with of course UH vice vice president pensive in Arizona 45 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: today accepting an endorsement from police officers. You know, this 46 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: is sort of a key theme of course the events 47 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: of the last several months. Uh. Now they seem to 48 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: be almost leaning into what had been seen as a 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: weakness within Democratic circles with with with Kamala Harris, which 50 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: is like, look, I'm picking this, you know, essentially prosecutor 51 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: that's sort of maybe even embracing something of a it's 52 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: not a tough on crime, you know, sympathetic to law 53 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: enforcement type image to try to blunt those attacks. So 54 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Trump has never been afraid to 55 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: dig when people thank But we'll see. But I she 56 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: there are certainly other candidates other than her that it 57 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: would have been easier to pin you know, leftist as 58 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: a label on that that would be not impossible by 59 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: any mean, but maybe a little tougher with Kamala Harrison 60 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: Josh Winger stay on the line. He is Bloomberg's White 61 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: House reporter and and Senator Kamala Harris. She is known 62 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: as an aggressive campaigner. She's known as someone in in 63 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: the Upper Chamber and in Washington, d C. Inside of 64 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: the Beltway, as someone who truly loves to campaign. Now, 65 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: clearly from a political standpoint, and that's what we're going 66 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: to focus on right now. From a political standpoint, she 67 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: is going to be contrasted against Vice President Mike Pence. 68 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: They will have to have a vice presidential debate. Uh, 69 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: they of course will both Uh. Well, she will obviously 70 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: say that she is ready should she have to be 71 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: the commander in chief, should that, should that instance occur. 72 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: But from a political standpoint, you really couldn't select two 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: more different politicians, vice President Mike Pence versus Senator Kamala Harris. 74 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: On the economy, on social issues, on on to some 75 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: extent foreign policy that we don't know that much about 76 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: Senator Harris's foreign policy worldviews. And that's why I want 77 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: to bring in a genie's you know, a Bloomberg political 78 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: contributor and Genie, thank you for for joining me. But 79 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: from a political standpoint there, there really isn't two more individual, 80 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: individually different politicians than Senator Kamala Harris and of course 81 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: Vice President Mike Pence. Through some of the many aspects, 82 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: it is both substantive in terms of what we know 83 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: of their policies, and they both have records UM in 84 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: fairly long records, and then also stylistically the way they 85 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: campaign UM, and also their backstory, which I think is 86 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: really important to remember UM. And so you put all 87 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: of those things together and you're talking about people from 88 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, wildly too different walks of life that come 89 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: across on the on the campaign trail in very different ways, 90 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: and I think this debate is going to be all 91 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: that much more fascinating. And of course we've seen both 92 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: of them debate, and we know about Kamala Harris that 93 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: she is an excellent debater and she's very good at 94 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: bringing personal stories to the forefront and making them relevant 95 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: to the issues that she's talking about in the debate. 96 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: And of course Mike Pence, he's a good debater as well. 97 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: He's proven himself there. But very different stylistically so beyond that, 98 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: a genie to follow up with you and Josh stay 99 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: with us on the line. Beyond that, I mean here 100 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: she brings to the ticket uh a historic element. I 101 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: mean she graduated from Howard University. Uh. She uh, of 102 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: course would be the first uh female vice president. She 103 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 1: is a minority as well. UH. Speaker of the House, 104 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi just releasing a a statement within the last 105 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: couple of minutes in which she said, uh, calling her 106 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: a historic pick. And in a statement she said, quote 107 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: as a United States Senator, as a California Attorney General, 108 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: and in every leadership position she has held, Kamala Harris 109 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: has advanced a more just and fair future for all 110 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: rooted and strong values and her proud American story. Vice 111 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: President Harris will be a tireless champion for hard working 112 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: families everywhere. So that's coming from the Speaker of the House. 113 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean when she arrived Jeanie on Capitol Hill. Uh, 114 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: and she has the junior senator several years ago, there 115 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: was certain senators have that political future factor, so to speak. 116 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio had it, UH, Barack Obama had it when 117 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: he was a senator. UH, and she definitely had it. 118 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: As well, and so for now, from a generational standpoint, 119 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: she becomes the connector to a new generation of democratic establishment. 120 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: Does she not? She absolutely does. And I think you know, 121 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: from many of us, the first time outside of California, 122 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: that is the first time we really took a lot 123 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: of notice of her outside of the state was in 124 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: terms of her interactions with then President Obama, who seemed 125 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: to see that very sort of energy and charisma and 126 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: future in in this young senator and sort of brought 127 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: her along to the forefront. And of course she became 128 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: Senator from California and very very quickly, some thought a 129 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: little too quickly, decided to run for president and of 130 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: course made a splash in her campaign. It didn't sustain, 131 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: but she certainly rose to the top of the polls 132 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: at least at one point in the campaign following that 133 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: debate that we all remember, and I think you know 134 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned something very important in terms of a new 135 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: generation because of something very important in this pick was age, 136 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: and at fifty five, she is, you know, a new generation. 137 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that Joe Biden 138 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: really wants to do is to appeal to young people 139 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: and energize the Democratic base. I don't know if we 140 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: know yet if Kamala Harris is going to be able 141 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: to do that, but I think there's some hope that 142 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: this VP pick will energize that base, which the which 143 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: the Vice President Biden sees is critical to him pulling 144 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 1: this out as we get into November. Uh, Jenny's, you know, 145 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: right there outlining the differences the in terms of the 146 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: presumptive nominee, but also of course between Senator Harris and 147 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: President Trump. Josh Wingerve covers all things Bloomberg White House 148 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: for us. He is the Bloomberg White House reporter. We 149 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: just got a statement, Josh from from the statement, do 150 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: we know from the president's re election campaign? What are 151 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: they saying about this pick? Well, it hits some of 152 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: the notes that we talked about earlier. They say that 153 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: they think Biden will try to bury her record as 154 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: a prosecutor, and that she has proof that Joe Biden 155 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: is an empty shell being filled with the leftist agenda. 156 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: So a bit of a cup one to follow. Either 157 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: she's got a record. This is a hard hitting statement, 158 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Josh, and I've got it right in front 159 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: of me, and I know you've got a phone in 160 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: one hand, and I'm asking you for the statement so all, 161 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: but let's let's pick this statement apart here because just 162 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: within a half hour after this is released, or after 163 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 1: Biden announces Harris as the pick. This is the statement 164 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: from the President's re election campaign. Quote not long ago, 165 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris called Joe Biden a racist and asked for 166 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: an apology she never received. Clearly phony, Kamala will abandon 167 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: her own morals as well as try to bury her 168 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: record as a prosecutor in order to appease the anti 169 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: police extremists controlling the Democratic Party. Uh. It's a blistering statement, 170 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: and it's two paragraphs. And then this is from Katrina Pearson, 171 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: a senior advisor to the president's re election campaign efforts. Um. 172 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: She goes on to say, uh that she has proof 173 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden is an empty shell being filled with 174 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: the extreme agenda of the radicals on the left. Josh, wow, 175 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: so much for the days of both sides are giving 176 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: giving the other side their their their new cycle. Yeah, exactly. 177 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: And they also refer to her as a political living hill, 178 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: which I you know, obviously is a nod at the 179 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: notion that the Vice president Biden's selection of his own 180 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,599 Speaker 1: running and his own potential vice president has a you know, 181 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: particular dynamic given his apes. You know, there'sn't necessarily a 182 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: guarantee of how long he'll want to serve I guess 183 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: so anyway, I think I think that they are going 184 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: to go, you know, paint with a broad brush like 185 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: they were with Joe Biden, who not many voters believe 186 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: is a radical leftist but tried to portray as at 187 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: least beholden to the left flank of the Democratic Party. 188 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: I think we'll see them doing the same thing with 189 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. Um. You know, the Biden excusing the Trump 190 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: campaign recall it was at least nominally trying to boost 191 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: its share of black votes or at least reduced the 192 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: margin by which they're losing black votes. Um. You know, 193 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to watch them trying to navigate that 194 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: dynamic now that that Joe Biden has put a woman 195 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: of color on the ticket. And meanwhile, just within the 196 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: last sixty seconds, I've got I've got Twitter up up, 197 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: and the President has tweeted out, uh just a video 198 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: of what is an attack ad um for uh for 199 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: against Senator Harris paid for by his re election effort. Okay, folks, 200 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: both Jennie you know have been Both Jennie you know 201 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: and josh Win griff have been so excellent in terms 202 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: of this breaking news again, if you're just joining us, 203 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Joe Biden has selected Kamala Harris, Senator Kamala Harris as 204 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: his is running mate. I want to give each of you, uh, 205 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: just the final word and take your time here. But 206 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: as we begin to unpackage this, one of the threads 207 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: that has emerged, uh, is a former vice president Biden's 208 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: who mind you knows what it takes to be I mean, 209 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: he was vice president, so he he has a different 210 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: kind of perspective really in terms of what it would 211 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: take to to choose one. I mean, that's got when 212 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: you think of it that way. He's done the job, 213 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: so I mean, it's kind of they all have to 214 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: go through this interview process with someone who's been in 215 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: the shoes for eight years. UM. But one of the 216 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: one of the personality elements that has emerged here is 217 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: that Senator Harris was in fact friends with Joe Biden's 218 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: late son Bo and the two of them were attorney 219 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: generals of their respective states. UM. And when Harris endorsed 220 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden last March, she said, quote, I can tell 221 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 1: you that bou inherited his strength of character, selfless, current 222 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: commitments of public service from his father Joe um And 223 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: in tweets just within the last hour, Um Biden has 224 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: noted the friendship between Senator Harris and his late son 225 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: bog And he tweeted just within the last half hour quote, 226 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: back when Kamala was Attorney General, she works closely with bo. 227 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: I watched as they took on the big banks, lifted 228 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: up working people, and protected women and kids from abuse. 229 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: I was proud then and I'm proud now to have 230 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: her as my partner in this campaign. So there you have. 231 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there, there's the personality element of this. But 232 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: jends no final words, give us your final analysis. Well, 233 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: I was just looking, Kevin at that same video you 234 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: were talking about that the President has posted on his 235 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: Twitter feed. UM And I think you know. My view 236 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: of this video and the attack that you were just 237 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: talking about that has been put out in the last 238 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: few minutes from the Trump campaign is it sort of 239 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: feels like they had the script in place. Whoever is 240 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: going to be picked, We're gonna plug in as you know, 241 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: kind of left leaning Canada, you know, in this AOC Sanders, 242 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: Warren Vain, and we're just going to plug the picture in. 243 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not so sure it's going to work. In 244 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: the case of Kamala Harris, I mean, it just doesn't 245 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: fit her biography is anything. You have people in the 246 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: Democratic Party who are concerned, as Joshers are talking about 247 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: about her record as Attorney general, the fact that she 248 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: went too far in terms of her work as a prosecutor. 249 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: So the attack from Trump, I think is going to 250 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: be really hard or the campaign is really a tough 251 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: one to to make stick on somebody like Kamala Harris 252 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: number one and then number two. You know, we know 253 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: historically these picks don't change a lot of votes, but 254 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: they do tell voters a little bit about the person 255 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: who made them. And you know, I think from my 256 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: point of view, at least, this was a very solid 257 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: pick on Joe Biden's part. It was sober, it was 258 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, he took his time in doing it. She 259 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: is a you know, she is an accomplished woman, and 260 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: she does bring to the table so many the elements 261 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: that the campaign was looking for. So if you think 262 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: about in the context of do no harm and pick 263 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: somebody who has the ability to serve at the moment's notice, 264 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: I think he has done the right thing, and I 265 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: think that's gonna, you know, keep Joe Biden voters. So 266 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: I do think, you know, for those two reasons, it's 267 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: been a strong day for the Biden team. And in 268 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: this respect, Jeni's ao and just to follow up on 269 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: that point, and Josh stay with us. Jennie's it's to 270 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: follow up on that point. Just on the policy, and 271 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: we're going to dive into the policy of this throughout 272 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: the next hour plus as we continue to cover this 273 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: breaking story of Joe Biden picking Kamala Harris as his 274 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: running mate. I mean, she really had positioned herself but 275 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: as as a as a bridge between the far left 276 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: of the party and the more centrist and at times 277 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: from a policy standpoint, it was quite it was a 278 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: quite tricky political tightrope, uh, for for any politician to walk. 279 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: I think back to during the Democratic presidential primary on 280 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: the issue of healthcare and when she uh a Medicare 281 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: for all, because remember it was in January of two 282 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: thousand and nineteen when she said that she supported eliminating 283 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: the private insurance to achieve Medicare for all, and then 284 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: during the primary she backed away from that position the 285 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders bill that she had actually co sponsored, and 286 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: she released her own plan that backed away from that. 287 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: So at times she's been more in favor of some 288 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: progressive policies and others has not. So to that point, Jennie, 289 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: I think medicare and healthcare UH in particular as a 290 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: broader issue is going to really come to the forefront 291 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: as well. Right, Yeah, absolutely, And I think there's you know, 292 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: she this is somebody that does have a record that 293 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: we can all talk about. And to your point, she 294 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: was criticized sort of for flip slopping, for lack of 295 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: a better term. I don't know if it's appropriate to 296 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: say that, but flip slopping on that issue of healthcare, 297 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: as you mentioned during the campaign, and again it has 298 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: been the people on the progressive wing who have thought 299 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: at times of Kamala Harris, she is not aggressive enough 300 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: for where the party is headed. To me, that is 301 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: very much in keeping with somebody Biden is more naturally 302 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: aligned with, and I think for that reason it works 303 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: for Biden. But again I think the attacks from the 304 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: Trump campaign to try to paint for as somebody far 305 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: left in the progressive wing very very tough to land 306 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: those punches on somebody that Kamala Harris all right, Jeni's 307 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: an know. I appreciate you coming on to lend us 308 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: your insights on this. Jenie's Ana, of course, is a 309 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributor and an Iona College professor. Josh wing 310 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: Grove has been holding on for us. Josh is, of course, 311 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: of Bloomberg White House reporter. I just want to get 312 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: more analysis and reporting from you, Josh, in terms of 313 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,239 Speaker 1: what we are hearing from the White House, from your 314 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: sources on the reelection campaign, because already the statements that 315 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: have come out have shown how they are going to 316 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: try to characterize this pick. I mean yeah, and Trump 317 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: has said over the last they are two that no 318 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: one votes the plot of the ticket, so we might 319 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: see them downplay the pick. I agree with what Jeannie said. 320 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: You know, they're they're clearly trying to just use the 321 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: same playbook. It would have been easier to use that 322 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: playbook if Joe Biden had gone with someone like Elizabeth Warren. 323 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're painting Biden as a you know, uh, 324 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: the tool of the progressive left. It's a lot easier 325 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: to do when you have a more noted progressive on 326 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: the bottom half of the ticket. Yeah. I would just 327 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: add one thing that we haven't really touched on is 328 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: the regionality factor. You know, Trump and his campaign and 329 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: those that worked it in sixteen have regularly pointed out 330 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: that they think Hillary Clinton took them that for granted, 331 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: didn't pay play defense enough in states like Wisconsin and Michigan, 332 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: that she thought she had a blue wall, she didn't, 333 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: and that informed a lot of the people who made 334 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 1: Biden's shortlist, people from the Midwest who could help retake 335 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: that blue wall, retake those states that will deliver the presidency. 336 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: I suppose the gamble. The gamble here is, you know, 337 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: a senator from California doesn't really have that same regionality factor, 338 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: and so Joe Biden is uh, you know, forgoing the 339 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: chance to try to pick someone you know from the region, 340 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: be at Michigan, Wisconsin, what have you? Uh, in the 341 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: interest of Harris, who brings her own resume, of course, 342 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: but I think that is worth noting. Surely that was 343 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: weighing on the mind of them as they made this decision. 344 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: But one other thing is that Joe Biden has promised 345 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: to put a black woman on the Supreme Court also, 346 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: so he is potentially uh gonna make two very significant 347 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: choices of women of color, uh if certainly now today 348 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: and then if elected, who knows how soon as that 349 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: will be until the Supreme Court vagency opens up. Josh 350 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: Wing Grove, so many important points right there on the 351 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: Supreme Court, on the regional politics, so so much. Josh 352 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: Winrow of Bloomberg White House Reporter, very appreciative for your reporting, 353 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: your time, and of course your analysis as well. Let's reset, folks. 354 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: My name is Kevin Surreally. I am the chief Washington 355 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio, and we 356 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: are following these story of the day. Presumptive Democratic presidential 357 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: nominee Joe Biden has selected Senator Kamala Harris, a Democrat 358 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: from California, as his running mate. We are unpacking the policies, 359 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: the politics, and yes, the personalities driving this news cycle forward. 360 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: And I'm thrilled to bring in two new guests to 361 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: continue this conversation. Kevin Walling is a Democratic strategist at 362 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: h G Creative Media and a Biden World insider. And 363 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: Rick Davis is a partner at stone Court Capital. He 364 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: is the former campaign manager for John McCain's two thousand 365 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: and eight presidential campaign and also a Bloomberg contributor of Rick, 366 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: you know a thing or two about how these decisions 367 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: get made, from your analysis, from your perspective, having been 368 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: having lived through doing these picks. When now the late 369 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: Senator John McCain selected the Alaska governor Sarah palin As 370 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: as his running mate, you know the importance of this moment. 371 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: So your reaction and take us behind the scenes. Yeah. Look, 372 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: I think that all of these boiled down to two 373 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: discrete options. One, you know, is when John McCain picks 374 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: Sara palin he was behind by fifteen points and needed 375 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: something to boost the campaign and get him back in 376 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: the game. And uh and and in this case, uh, 377 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is comfortably ahead in almost every targeted state 378 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: and uh and in most published polls showing him ten 379 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: points up, you know, on a national basis. So I'm 380 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: sure he's breathing a sigh of relief these days because 381 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: of those polls. But he wanted to pick someone who 382 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: was acceptable to the Democratic establishment, but would give him 383 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: a political edge in key states like Michigan and Wisconsin 384 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: and Florida in places that he needs to win. And 385 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: uh in picking an African American woman, and especially one 386 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: who sort of reflects his brand of democratic ideology, Uh, 387 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: is is best I can tell? A good safe pick 388 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden, A good safe pick Kevin Walling? Is 389 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: this a good safe pick? It definitely is. I mean 390 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: I agree completely with Rick. You know, the job here 391 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 1: is to do no harm out of the gate. I 392 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: think it's a safe pick. I think it's a strong 393 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: pick to risk point, not just in terms of demographically 394 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: where it helps in states like Michigan in that blue 395 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: wall that fell in. It also helps demographically to fire 396 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: up the base. Uh. You know, obviously you had a 397 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: lot of young people drifting towards Bernie Sanders, drifting towards 398 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris in the lead up to the primaries. And 399 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: to get those folks to get that base excited, I 400 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: think is really important. And we're going to see that 401 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: play out with Senator Harris for sure, and just to 402 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: play out the next twenty four hours, we are anticipating that. Uh. 403 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: The presumptive nominee Joe Biden and his running mate Senator 404 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: Harris will make their first joint appearance at some type 405 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: of fundraiser in the next twenty four hours. From a 406 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: media perspective and political nerd in me knows this. Uh. 407 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: Typically the the ticket will debut together in some type 408 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: of weekend joint interview appearance. Uh. The last cycle, Uh 409 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: it was on sixty minutes for for now President Trump 410 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: and Vice President Mike Pence. But so for for this, 411 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: I think rollout though it begs the question, Rick Davis, 412 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: I mean, and you're one of the architects of so 413 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: many behind the scenes moments here here we are just 414 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: a few days out from the first virtual Democratic National Convention. 415 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: And yes, you know, to Kevin's point as a as 416 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: a Biden world insider, part of what they're saying is 417 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: that she would be able to electrify, mobilize, and excite 418 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: the base of the party and tap into that excitement. 419 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: But you gotta do it through zooms, you gotta do 420 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: it through through skypes, you gotta do it through face times. 421 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: Is that going to be enough? And what colleges did 422 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: the pandemic pose to this rollout from a political standpoint 423 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: in the pandemic. Well, I do think it's tough, right, 424 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no question at campaigning and an air 425 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: of COVID is a complexity that, thank god I never 426 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: had to face as a campaign manager. I love the 427 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: big rallies where the two candidates are seen in public 428 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: for the first time together on the stage with people screaming. 429 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I just think that just modes for energy 430 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: and excitement. But there is something a little bit more 431 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: personal about the fact that you can have a conversation 432 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: with these two candidates, see how they interact with each 433 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: other off stage in an environment like what you were describing, Kevin, 434 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: I mean, in a sixty minutes interview, some long form 435 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: piece um you know, done by somebody who really wants 436 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: to pull out the dynamic between the two and not 437 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: just um, you know, spouting the party line in a rally. 438 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: So they there is a disadvantage obviously to the excitement level, 439 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: But the American public is gonna want to get to 440 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: know her better, right they She never really made it 441 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: deep into the primary field, so there wasn't that much 442 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: education done, and it's a campaign sticks to sort of 443 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: the standards they're gonna want to educate the American public 444 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: on who she is, how she fits into this ticket, 445 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: how they compliment each other, and uh. And the more 446 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: I think that they sell her, the more likely is 447 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: that voters will get excited about it. All right, Rick Davis, 448 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: he is, of course a Bloomberg contributor and also one 449 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: of the prominence Republicans strategist. He's a partner at Stone 450 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: Court Capital, former campaign manager for John mckains o eight 451 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: presidential campaign. I know you got to get back on 452 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: Bloomberg TV, so I'm gonna let you go. Kevin Stay, 453 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: Kevin Walling, Democratic strategists at HD Creative, UH Media And 454 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: to Rick's point, precisely and coming up, folks were going 455 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: to dive into Senator Harris's record, but uh in in 456 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: from from Ris to Rick's point, in terms of the 457 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: politics of this, already we're getting reaction from the Trump campaign, uh, 458 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: in which they have tried to characterize him at her 459 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,719 Speaker 1: uh on this particular pick. And so right now, a 460 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: new statement coming from the Republican National Committee quote a hiding, 461 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: diminished and incoherent. Joe Biden didn't just select a vice 462 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: presidential candidate. He chose the person who would actually be 463 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: in charge the next four years if he is somehow 464 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: able to win. Wow. I mean they are really really 465 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: going after this pick right now, Kevin Walling, and they 466 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: have to. I mean that, you know, I'm sure each 467 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: of those tweets and statements were in the hopper depending 468 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: on who the Biden campaign rolled out today, and we're 469 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: certainly going to expect those attacks to come. I think 470 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: to Rick point, it's a very good one. Now is 471 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: the point in which we introduce Center Hares to the 472 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: American people. She uh kind of did not go as 473 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: far as as many folks hoped in that primary election, 474 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: so she had some really strong debate performances. So I 475 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: think what you'll see is obviously some controlled environments with 476 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: the Zoom rollout, you know, Kevin, that I think the 477 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: first thing scheduled actually, and in talking to campaign folks, 478 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: they've cleared this schedule for the both the Vice president 479 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: and Center Hairs for Thursday. I think their first joint 480 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: appearance has been a build a fundraiser on Zoom. Uh 481 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: in terms of also a low dollar event, but then 482 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: also a high dollar event with the clutch you know, 483 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: for example, are things that they talked about before an 484 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: in person event. Well, you'll have a personal connection with 485 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: the Vice president with Center Harris for you know, a 486 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to meet directly with them as part 487 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: of this rollout. So the campaign is going to use 488 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: this announcement to the extent that they can in terms 489 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: of fundraising, I think in the next twenty four hours 490 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: and then I think you'll see Center Harris go on 491 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: uh the various programs like The View and others where 492 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: you have a supportive audience, faith in she's performed really 493 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: well on shows like that, just again to reintroduce her 494 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: to the American people as part of this role out. 495 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: Well to that point, and we're gonna reset in a 496 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: couple of minutes. But to that point, I mean for 497 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: political junkies like us, and I mean, it's it's pretty covid. 498 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: So I mean, but pre covid. The moment that really 499 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: that that really jumps out of people. Kevin Walling, democratic 500 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: strategist at h G Creative Media, is that contrast from 501 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: that first Democratic presidential debate. I mean, and that's the 502 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: blistering moment and one of the definitive moments on that 503 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: debate stage, and and quite Honestly, it's gonna be fascinating 504 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: to see because now she's gonna gonna debate against Vice 505 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: President Pence. But I mean that is definitely going to 506 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: be a question that any correspondent or reporter would ask 507 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: them in their first joint appearance. Sure, I think that's right. 508 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, primaries are battles within a family, 509 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: right and you know you and are are obviously a 510 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: political junkies. Re re can you look back to you know, 511 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan picking George H. W. Bush Is running mate. 512 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: George Bush called the then governor's economic plan voodoo economics, 513 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: ran really hard. There was nearly a fifth fight in 514 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: New Hampshire over a microphone if you remember, during that primary. 515 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: So those are heated affairs. I think the American people 516 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: realize that primaries, uh, you know, aren't being bag politics 517 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: ain't being bag and are intense. But again, I think, 518 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, to speak to the closeness, I think of 519 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: the Harris family and her husband Doug and Dr Joe Biden, 520 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: the former second Lady. I think there's a close relationship there, uh, 521 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: And I think there's also tune. It's been widely spoken 522 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: about the relationship between Centator Harris, then Attorney General Harris, 523 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: and bo Biden, the former Vice president's son, when they 524 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: were attorneys general together from Delaware in California. That's important. 525 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: That's where the personality comes in here, because in announcing this, 526 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: uh pick uh and and Joe Biden tweeted quote, back 527 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: when Kamala was a arny general, she worked closely with Bo. 528 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: I watched as they took on the big bank, slifted 529 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: up working people, protected women and kids from abuse. I 530 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: was proud then and I'm proud now to have her 531 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: as my partner in this campaign. All Right, Kevin Wahling, 532 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: Democratic strategist at h G Creative Media. I know this 533 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: is an incredibly busy afternoon for you, so I very 534 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: much appreciate you making time for Bloomberg Radio's sound on. 535 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, and now just to reset, I'm Kevin Cereli, 536 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. 537 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: The Big story tonight, Democratic presumptive presidential nominee Joe Biden 538 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: has selected Senator Kamala Harris, the Democrat from California, as 539 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: his running mate. We have every angle covered, the policies, 540 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: the politics, and yes, even the personalities as we dive 541 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: deep behind the scenes into every specific angle, plus fresh 542 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: reaction tonight coming from President Uh, coming from President Trump 543 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: and the President's re election campaign. My name is Kevin Cerelli. 544 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: I am the chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television and 545 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio. Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has 546 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: selected Senator Kamala Harris as his running mate. Now this, 547 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: of course, uh is it comes at a time in 548 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: which Biden leading in the polls. However, uh, the President's 549 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: reelection campaign already looking to define her uh and in 550 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: and in very clear terms, calling her essentially someone who 551 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: is not ready really to take on this position. We 552 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: have every angle covered, the politics, the policies, and of 553 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: course the personalities behind the scenes. And we're joined now 554 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: by James Holman of the Washington Post. James, give us 555 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: your reaction and what are you hearing from your sources tonight? Yeah, Kevin, 556 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: I think Joe Biden can usually be counted on to 557 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: do the most kind of predictable, conventional and obvious thing, 558 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: and that was picking Kamala Harris. For several months, she's 559 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: been considered the front runner by people who are close 560 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: to Biden. She's the most obvious on paper, and Biden 561 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: sort of made the obvious decision. And you know a 562 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: lot of my Biden forces are texting me saying, told 563 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: you so, That's what I've been saying for months. And uh, 564 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: and it's true. She on paper. You know, one of 565 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: the problems that Hillary Clinton had in twenty sixteen was 566 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: that African Americans did not turn out to vote for 567 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: her in the suburb in the cities of Detroit, Milwaukee, 568 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: and Philadelphia. And Biden is calculated and I'm not sure 569 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: it's true, but the calculus Biden is making is that 570 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: she's going to help generate some African American turnout of enthusiasm. Uh. 571 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: You know your point about the Trump critique. You know, 572 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: this is someone who got elected to the Senate the 573 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: same day that Trump was elected president. She's only been there, 574 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: you know, less than four years. Uh. You know, she's 575 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: kind of always been seen by many of her Senate 576 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: colleagues is kind of a um, you know, someone who's 577 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: in a hurry to get to the top. And uh, 578 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: her president ential campaign was not well run. It was 579 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: beset by leaks and dysfunction and management problems. And so 580 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: one of the gambles that I'd mistaken, Kevin, is that 581 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, the Senator Harris is going to sort of 582 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: get her act together for the general election in a 583 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: way that she just wasn't able to during the primaries. 584 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: It really is fascinating in terms of the politics of this. 585 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: And of course Senator Kamala Harris would be a historic 586 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: pick should she become vice president. She would become the 587 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: first female vice president. She is obvious she has a 588 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: minority as well. Uh. And to your point in terms 589 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: of the political characterization, I have that statement from the 590 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: president's re election campaign, and in that statement they say 591 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: clearly they say, quote clearly phony Kamala will abandon her 592 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: own morals as well as try to bury her record 593 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: as a prosecutor in order to appease the anti police 594 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: extremist controlling the Democrat Party end quote. And you know, 595 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: just from a stylistic perspective, here Vice President Pence appearing 596 00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: at uh A police rally earlier today. Now let's dive 597 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: into the policies, because you know they're I'm thinking of 598 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: the debate states, right, I mean and and and on 599 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: foreign policy in particular on the issue of the Iran 600 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: of the Iran nuclear disarmament deal, the j c p 601 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: o A. Senator Harris says, has said that she would 602 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: get back into that deal obviously. Uh. The the Vice 603 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: President and and and President Trump say they've ripped up 604 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: that deal. They think it's a bad deal. On the 605 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: issue of China and intellectual property, Uh, there are significant 606 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: differences between how a Biden administration would work with China 607 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: and how a Trump administration would work with China. The 608 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 1: Biden campaign has argued, you know, unifying more allies and 609 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: taking a less go at a loan approach and strengthening 610 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: global alliances. Uh. The President has argued that the unpredictability 611 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: has allowed for them to put more pressure on Beijing. 612 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: But Senator Harris she did back a bill. She actually 613 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 1: introduced a bill that would expand the US government's ability 614 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: to charge for actors who steal intellectual property. So I mean, 615 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: and I say this from a broader lens, but based 616 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: upon my reporting, James, and I'm curious for yours, based 617 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: upon my reporting on the issue with China, it's not 618 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: like either administration is gonna is gonna just be easy 619 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: on China. They're just taking very different strategies. Correct, Yeah, Kevin, Absolutely, 620 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: that's totally correct. The thing to understand about Senator Harrasses, 621 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, she's someone who, throughout her political history is 622 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: lacked a lot of deep core convictions. You know, it's 623 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: she's one of those those kind of politicians who, you know, 624 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: say one thing before police audience and she's the prosecut 625 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: and say another before civil rights audience. And so there's 626 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: you know that that that was one of her challenges 627 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: in the primary, was kind of trying to be all 628 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: things told people, and you know, I think it's safe 629 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: to assume that she's gonna become simpatico with wherever Biden is. 630 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: To your point about the debate, obviously, there's a huge 631 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: contrast between what Trump his decision is for the dream, 632 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: what Biden and Harris's visionist of the country. But I 633 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: do think one of the things that made Harris a positive, 634 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: you know, a positive in her direction, was that she 635 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: has a good debater. Obviously, she showed up Biden in 636 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: that first Democratic debate. Uh you know at that famous 637 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: line that little girl was me about school buzzing and segregationist. 638 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: Biden was willing to look pass that. And one are 639 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: the reasons he's willing to look pass that, according to 640 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: people in Biden world, is that he wants someone who 641 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: can go toe to toe with Pence and the debates. 642 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: Biden very much wants to win this election and he 643 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: thinks that Harris is gonna is going to help. My 644 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: friend James Holme and is on the line. He's a 645 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: national political correspondent for the Washington Post and the author 646 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: of the Daily two oh two. One of the to 647 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: your point regarding policy uh and and the primary is 648 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: this issue of healthcare and her original support of uh 649 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: Bertie Sanders Medicare for All plan, and then she released 650 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: her own plan during the primary. What do we know 651 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,479 Speaker 1: about how healthcare will play in this general election and 652 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: her position on it. So what the Democrats want to do, Kevin, 653 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: is to make health care just a referendum on Trump. 654 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: You know, the President wants to be party to this 655 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: lawsuit that would get rid of the Affordable Care Act 656 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: and its entirety. The President saying lest last Friday and 657 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: reiterating yesterday that he'll sign an executive order requiring insurers 658 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: to cover people with pre existing conditions. Now, that's because 659 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: that issue was so potent for Democrats in the twenty 660 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: team at term elections. You know, Kamala Harris has been 661 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 1: all over the place on healthcare and it occurred her 662 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,919 Speaker 1: pretty badly in the primaries. I think She's gonna kind 663 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: of end up where Biden is, which is to say, 664 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: you know, medicare for all who wanted uh kind of 665 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: a public option plus where it's a still call for 666 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 1: expanding Obamacare but not having medicare for all in universal 667 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: health care. And the goal of the Democrats politically the 668 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: next ninety days is to project, you know, that this 669 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 1: is about you like Obamacare or not, and not about 670 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: kind of once again redoing healthcare. And I think you'll 671 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: see her sort of fall in line with where Biden's 672 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: position is again because she doesn't have a lot of 673 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: positions that are sort of super deeply held in in 674 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 1: her own polition. All right, James, stay with us. Are 675 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: you drinking as much coffee as I am right now? James, 676 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: I don't even know. I lost count. You know, I'm 677 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: like I tried to come back on the coffee and 678 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: just not happening. National pre covid right, national political correspondent 679 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: for The Washington posing author of the Daily two oh two. 680 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: He's gonna stick around. Al Matter is about to join 681 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: us a democratic strategist. I definitely want to get his input. 682 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: He is a democratic strategist and partner at Brown Sting, Hyatt, 683 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: Farber and Shrek. I'm gonna stay too. I'm Kevin Surli, 684 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent FRO Bloomberg TV and from Bloomberg Radio. 685 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: Big News. If you're a political junkie, you know you 686 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: don't get the rallies, you don't get the confetti. You 687 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: just get you just get the zooms, the skypes right virtual. 688 00:38:51,719 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: We're going virtual right here on Bloomberg. You're listening to 689 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Sirelate on Bloomberg and one 690 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: oh five point seven m h D two. It's a 691 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: breaking news kind of day. My name is Kevin Cirelli. 692 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for 693 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Thank you for listening to us on this 694 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,240 Speaker 1: breaking news day. Because presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden 695 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 1: has selected Senator Kamala Harris, the junior senator from California, 696 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: as his running mate. Now over the next day, they're 697 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: anticipated to hold their first type of joint appearance, and 698 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: of course next week is the Democratic National Convention virtual 699 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: virtual folks, So I guess you would typically the way 700 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: these things go behind the scenes of the media world 701 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: is they'll have a joint interview of sorts. Uh, sometimes 702 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: the weekend on one of the shows. Uh maybe like 703 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: a CBS sixty minutes type of type of show. But 704 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: we don't know, so we'll we'll bring it at obviously 705 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,400 Speaker 1: as we get it. We're covering every angle. We dove 706 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: into the politics, and the politics and the policies, some 707 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,760 Speaker 1: foreign policy, on domestic policy, on healthcare, her record and whatnot, 708 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: and what she brings to the ticket. But I want 709 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: to bring into this conversation al matter. He is a 710 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 1: democratic strategist and partner at Brownsting, Hia Farber and Shrek 711 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 1: and and still with me is James Home and national 712 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: political correspondent for The Washington Post and author of the 713 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 1: daily two oh two um. Al. We're still anticipating that 714 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: we're going to hear from President Trump this hour at 715 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: the White House on a daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing. 716 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: Obviously that everybody wants reaction on his reaction to to 717 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: Senator Harris. But you know, I'm curious from a political standpoint, 718 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: al take us behind the scenes on what both sides 719 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: are doing tonight and and inside of the political war room, 720 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: so to speak, to defend each camp. Well, I think 721 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 1: on the Democratic side, there's a lot of elation. Kamala 722 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: Harris is spectacularly charismatics. She's exceedingly um talented. She was 723 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: not only Attorney General, but the senator from the largest 724 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: state in our country. She proved herself in the Senate 725 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: as a as a great warrior for the party and 726 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: the Judiciary Committee and other aspects. UM. And you know, 727 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: I take issue with you, with your your other guests 728 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: that she has no core positions. I mean, that's all 729 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: politicians to some degree change their town when they're in 730 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: different settings. But I mean, she is a liberal and 731 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: a progressive and UM is going to bring that to 732 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 1: the ticket, and I think it is. It is a 733 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: historic pick for for many reasons that go unsaid. And 734 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: I think that in the Democratic war rooms right now, 735 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of excitement. In the Trump warm war rooms, 736 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: I imagine there's trepidation because she's by far the best 737 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: pick vice president that they have made for the reasons 738 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: I discussed, and I think she will be a uh 739 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: more than suitable opponent for Vice President Pence in their debate, 740 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: but importantly in exciting voters, UM, which is what is 741 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: needed in an election held in the middle of a pandemic, 742 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: because this is gonna be a lot about turnout UM. 743 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: And again, given the historic nature of the pick African 744 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: American Asian woman UM with an incredible life story, I 745 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 1: think that's going to bring a lot of energy to Democrats. 746 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: And so Trump's folks have to figure out how are 747 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: they going to get their voters out motors on the line. 748 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: He's a Democratic strategist and partner of Brown c. Hyde, 749 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: Barber and Shrek. Let me follow up on that. I mean, 750 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,760 Speaker 1: she also, by the way, has has some DC ties. 751 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: She's a graduate of Howard University. UM. But to to 752 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: to your point, al Um, in terms of the pandemic, 753 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm used to cover in these things with 754 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, confetti balloons, you know, the for the Dems 755 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: they always bring out, you know, Katie Perry, you know 756 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: what I mean. I mean, there's a lot of excitement 757 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: and here and the pads and the cow's that gonna 758 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: factor into this because you've got the virtual conventions, were 759 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: just a couple of days away from them beginning next week. 760 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: But how is she going to be able to electrify 761 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: the viral campaign, so to speak, the virtual campaign, when 762 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: she's not able to get out there and do the 763 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,319 Speaker 1: retail politics, which quite frankly, she loves to do. Anyone 764 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: who's covered her, she loves to do those virtual and 765 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: I'm sorry she loves to do. There's there's uh, there's 766 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: beating greats and the handshakes and the selfies, and she 767 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: can't do it because of the pandemic health. I mean, 768 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,680 Speaker 1: you're you're onto something there, Kevin. But I will tell 769 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: you that she has a pretty unique charisma. I was 770 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: actually surprised that she didn't fare as well in the 771 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 1: primaries and caucuses as people thought. Um, and you know 772 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: it was her first time around, so that could be 773 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,839 Speaker 1: part of it. But anyone who's met her, who spent 774 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:52,440 Speaker 1: any time with her, knows that she has a bit 775 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: of that wow factor. Uh. Like I said, incredibly charismatic 776 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:02,360 Speaker 1: and a presence, but also a very very aspirational, uplifting 777 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: personality and someone who you know makes you excited to 778 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: be for and that's what the Democrats need. And she 779 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 1: brings that in space, and I think that will come 780 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: through on television, in virtual media and zoom or whatever 781 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: other um mediums of messaging they elect to use. It's funny, 782 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,720 Speaker 1: I'm already getting all these emails about the quote events 783 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 1: next week at the convention was you know, of course 784 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: you normally go to in person, but now they're all virtual. 785 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: So a lot of groups are trying to put those 786 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: things together, um for people to participate via their laptops 787 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,879 Speaker 1: of their computers and their phones, et cetera. But you're right, 788 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,640 Speaker 1: it's not going to be the same at all. All right, 789 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: al matter is with us James Home and national political 790 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: correspondent for the Washington Post and author of the daily 791 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: two oh two, something that I read every single day. Uh, 792 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: and I hooked on it. What's your lead for tomorrow? 793 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,839 Speaker 1: Now that we've got this vat pick, what's your lead? Oh? 794 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: I guess you can't tell us, but I mean, but seriously, 795 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: political policies, obviously, university story. You know. One of the 796 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: things is with the other finalists. You know, I think 797 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: the final three were Susan Rice, Gretrian Wittmer, and Tamala 798 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: Harris say, and I do think Senator Harris has been 799 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 1: the front runner for a while. You was absolutely right. 800 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: I mean, she didn't really excite people during the primaries. 801 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: She didn't, you know, other than her announcement in Oakland, 802 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: like she wasn't able to activate African Americans in South 803 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: Carolina at all. But um, I do think she does 804 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: have she claims since she locks she has a Christmas actor. 805 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,759 Speaker 1: I also think that they are going to deploy her 806 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,799 Speaker 1: to do events in a way that you know, Mike 807 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 1: Pence is going to be in Wisconsin doing a live 808 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: physical events next week. Obviously there aren't going to be 809 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: Democrats you know, doing things in Wisconsin. But I do 810 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,280 Speaker 1: expect the Senator hers as younger, she's in her fifties, 811 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: she'll be you know, doing a lot of She'll be 812 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: doing more kind of in person appearances in some of 813 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 1: the battleground states. Then Vice President Biden will and um, 814 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, but because of this, she's a known quantity 815 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: in some ways. You know, a lot of people didn't 816 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 1: pay close attention to the Democratic primaries, and you know, 817 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,359 Speaker 1: which is like a foreign concept of people like us. 818 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: But for everyone listening to the show for a lot 819 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: of Americans. You know, the Senator Harrison speech next Wednesday 820 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: night at the convention, the Virtual Convention is going to 821 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: be the first they really hear from her, and so 822 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: it is going to be, you know, obviously high pressure speech. 823 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: She is the first woman of color to be on 824 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:34,239 Speaker 1: a national ticket, and so she's gonna have to introduce herself. Uh. 825 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that was interesting during 826 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,040 Speaker 1: the primaries is that she didn't talk a lot about 827 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: kind of her you know, she she talked a lot 828 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: about kind of her the black experience and going to Howard, 829 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,720 Speaker 1: but not about her, but not about her specific story. 830 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: And that's exactly I totally agree her biography. She's definitely 831 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: definitely going to uh discuss. Thank you, James, Thank you 832 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: so much for joining me for the half hour. James Holman, 833 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 1: national political correspondent for The Washington Post, an author of 834 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,720 Speaker 1: The Daily two or two, and of course Al moder 835 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,919 Speaker 1: much more coming up next. I'm Kevin Serelli. You're listening 836 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg nine and one one. I'm Kevin Serelli, Chief 837 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent fro Bloomberg Television and from Bloomberg Radio. M 838 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: The Big store to night. Resumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe 839 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: Biden has selected Senator Kamala Harris as his running mate. She, 840 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: of course, is the junior senator, Democratic senator from California. 841 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: With US Now to cover all of the policy of 842 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,560 Speaker 1: the politics and yes, even the personalities behind the scenes, 843 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: are two political all stars. Thrilled to have them for 844 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 1: our panel. As folks, we await, we await for President 845 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 1: Trump to have a daily Coronavirus Task Force briefing. And 846 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna if I interrupt my next guests, it's because 847 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna toss to that press conference. So I'm putting 848 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: them on full this full alert, full alert. Joining me 849 00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 1: Boyd Matheson. He is the former chief of staff to 850 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: Senator Mike Lee, a Republican from Utah. He is also 851 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: the opinion editor at The Desirete News and Max Burns, 852 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: a Democratic strategist a contributor at The Daily Beast, the 853 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: New York Daily News, and The Independent. Alright, Max, and 854 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: you're then I gotta start with you to get the reaction. 855 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: And if it was the other team, then I would 856 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,719 Speaker 1: flip it and do it with with Mr Mathison, with 857 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,040 Speaker 1: boy Mathison, but you know, we're just gonna call it 858 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: like we said, Max, your reaction tonight, give me more 859 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: than oh, it's a good pick. Come on, tell me 860 00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,320 Speaker 1: something I don't know, Mac, go beyond the talking points 861 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,959 Speaker 1: for me. I'm excited for it. I think beyond any 862 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 1: kind of political message that is sent by Kamala Harris 863 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: being picked, it sends a really clear message about the 864 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: kind of government we can expect from a Biden administration. 865 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Tamala Harris was one of his sharpest critics 866 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: on the debate stage, and he's really showcasing here his 867 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,240 Speaker 1: ability to take criticism and and win over former rivals 868 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: into political allies through making substantive changes to his policies 869 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 1: and his platform. And I think that says a lot, 870 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: especially to let a Slaters on the Hill. All right, Boyd, 871 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: come in here. We got the two minute warning, mind 872 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: you from the president, so if I interrupt you, but 873 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,000 Speaker 1: your quick take, Boyd. And I'm so thri it's always one. 874 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 1: I told our producers, I said where, and then I 875 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,520 Speaker 1: finally got them and then we got a two minute 876 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: ward and go ahead, boy No worry No. I think 877 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,879 Speaker 1: it's a pretty predictable, pretty safe pick. In terms of 878 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 1: checking the boxes. I do agree with Max. You know, 879 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: they had their differences on the debate stage, but really 880 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: not a lot different from when you had, you know, 881 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush calling out Reagan for voodoo economics, 882 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,800 Speaker 1: so amazing love come together like that great, great moment 883 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: for sure, And so I think she does play that role. 884 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 1: She is incredibly smart and you know, she actually did 885 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: some work with with Senator Lee when I was back 886 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: there around some of the green card and visa issues, 887 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,239 Speaker 1: some of those caps. So she she's proven she can 888 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,359 Speaker 1: go across the aisle when she needs to. She can 889 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,919 Speaker 1: be that fierce prosecutor when she needs to as well. 890 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,439 Speaker 1: That will be the big test I think for her. 891 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,520 Speaker 1: I think she's gonna have to play that role in 892 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: a big way, uh, for Joe Biden as they get 893 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 1: into the fall, and we're actually looking forward to having 894 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: both she and Mike Pants out here to Utah for 895 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: the vice presidential debates. Well, that's what I wanted to 896 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,839 Speaker 1: follow up on. That's why I'm so I really wish 897 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,480 Speaker 1: I had more time with you. But put us on 898 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: that debate stage, not for the base of either party, 899 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 1: not for the diehard Trump supporters. Not for the diehard 900 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: Biden supporters, for independent voters who tune in to that 901 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 1: debate between Kamala Harris and Vice President Mike Pence. Senator 902 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,680 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and Vice President Mike Pence. What will we see? 903 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,440 Speaker 1: I think you gonna see a big debate about what 904 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: I like to call the movable middle. There's about of 905 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 1: the electorate. Sometimes they vote Democrats. Sometimes these are not independents. 906 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 1: These during the declared Democrats or Republicans, and they are 907 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,960 Speaker 1: interested in things that are going to impact their communities, 908 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: their families, and their ability to have upward mobility and opportunity. 909 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,879 Speaker 1: Uh And So while I think there'll be a little 910 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: bit of jarring and jostling about their bosses, about the 911 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: president and about Joe Biden, I think they will actually 912 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,200 Speaker 1: showcase what four is going to look like.