WEBVTT - S1: Ep 2 - Physics

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<v Speaker 1>Hi all, we have some exciting news to share. Paramount

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<v Speaker 1>Plus has turned Burden of Guilt into a docuseries. You

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<v Speaker 1>will get to meet the people involved, you'll hear from

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<v Speaker 1>the people who have never spoken before, and you get

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<v Speaker 1>to see where the story took place. We are so

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<v Speaker 1>proud and excited to share it with you. You can

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<v Speaker 1>stream it right now on Paramount Plus. Tracy Mquel Burns

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<v Speaker 1>is a woman who is sharing her incredible life story

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time. When she was just two, her

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<v Speaker 1>four month old brother, Matthew died. The authorities were told

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<v Speaker 1>she had killed him. She has spent decades trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get justice for her brother and safety for her family.

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<v Speaker 1>In the last episode, we told you about her baby

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<v Speaker 1>brother's death and how she says she suffered abuse at

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<v Speaker 1>the hands of her father Jan Barry Sandlin and her

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<v Speaker 1>mother Almona. I'm Nancy Glass. This is Burden of Guilt

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<v Speaker 1>Episode two Physics. At the end of episode one, I

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<v Speaker 1>told you about Tracy Raquel's suicide attempt at the age

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<v Speaker 1>of fourteen. She had saved up a month's worth of

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<v Speaker 1>prescription anti seizure medication and swallowed it all at once.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted out of her home out of her life,

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<v Speaker 1>a life of abuse and instability. But it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>She woke up with her mother, Kathy Almond, shaking her

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<v Speaker 1>and asking her, what have you done now? As a mother,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even imagine having a reaction like that. When

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy Riquel woke up, she thought, I can't believe I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still here. Surviving the overdose offered Tracy Raquel a renewed

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<v Speaker 1>sense of purpose. Thought she had to survive for a reason,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was to find out what really happened to

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<v Speaker 1>her baby brother, Matthew. But the reality was, despite everything,

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<v Speaker 1>she was still just a teenager trying to have an

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary high school life. Tell me about these pictures in

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<v Speaker 1>front of us.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a picture of me being a cheerleader. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the eighties, so blue eyeliner, but yeah, I guess it's cute.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, let me just say, I know

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<v Speaker 2>cheerleaders today do not understand. Those pom poms weighed like

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<v Speaker 2>ten pounds each and if they got wet, it was

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen so it was work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were huge. There's a lovely photo of her

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<v Speaker 1>in a blue cheerleading uniform. A muscular young man is

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<v Speaker 1>holding her in the air as she balances on one foot.

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<v Speaker 1>Her arms are outstretched in theeed for victory. She's smiling, beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>and proud. This is where she shined in school and sports.

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<v Speaker 1>It was her salvation, fine her successes outside of the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Her mother, Kathy, saw her failed suicide attempt as an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>She used it to identify her daughter as a danger

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<v Speaker 1>to herself for someone else. Then she leveraged it to

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<v Speaker 1>commit her.

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<v Speaker 2>She woke me in the middle of the night and

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<v Speaker 2>took me to a state hospital. You know, I have

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<v Speaker 2>to wonder did she tell him I was a homicidal

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<v Speaker 2>I was a threat.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it might seem reasonable to take a troubled child

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<v Speaker 1>who has made a suicide attempt to a psychiatric hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's what Kathy told the staff that is so outrageous.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever find out how she was able to

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<v Speaker 1>commit you at the facility?

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<v Speaker 2>What I learned later in life was that Kathy had

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<v Speaker 2>told psychiatric professionals that I had been suicidal and homicidal

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<v Speaker 2>because I had killed my baby brother, and that I

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<v Speaker 2>had never been right. Since I don't understand, I don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>The hospital was not a safe place for healing. It

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<v Speaker 1>was scary as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>They were sick kids, they were violet criminals. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a very violet, scary, terrified place.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you able to grasp the situation you were in?

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<v Speaker 2>I had no clue and I didn't understand what was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>How were you able to get out?

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<v Speaker 2>It was my aunt June, who came and said this

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<v Speaker 2>is not going to work and it was wrong, and

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<v Speaker 2>took care of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy Riquel says she felt like she couldn't depend on

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy for even the most basic parenting.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was eleven, someone gave me a polaroid camera

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<v Speaker 2>for Christmas, and this little girl and I were friends.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about getting all dressed up and doing

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<v Speaker 2>hair and whatever little girls do. Oh, we can take

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<v Speaker 2>pictures because I've got this polaroid camera. I looked everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find it, wasn't where it normally was. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I did find it in her bedroom closet, opened

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<v Speaker 2>it up, and inside were just horrible sexual pictures of

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<v Speaker 2>your mother that you shouldn't see, especially not with a

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<v Speaker 2>little girl from down the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy wasn't contrite or embarrassed by it. She was annoyed

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<v Speaker 1>with Tracy Riquel there were many dark moments with Kathy.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy Riqul's only respite was on June. Kathy's sister June

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<v Speaker 1>had a knack for showing up at the right time

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<v Speaker 1>and showing Tracy Riquel she could experience joy. Tell me

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<v Speaker 1>about your Aunt June.

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<v Speaker 2>We were always together when I was a child. She

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<v Speaker 2>was a little bit of reprieve. She would come and

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<v Speaker 2>get me and we'd go on trips together, and she

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<v Speaker 2>would take me places, and you know, so she was

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<v Speaker 2>this little bit of inspiration that there was something else

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<v Speaker 2>out there.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Aunt June who gave Tracy Riquel her first job.

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<v Speaker 2>She owned a hair salon in Atlanta. I started working

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<v Speaker 2>at this hair salon on Fridays and Saturdays in the

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<v Speaker 2>summer when I was like nine years old, sweeping floors

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<v Speaker 2>for five or ten dollars a day.

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<v Speaker 1>When Tracy Riquel started high school, the salon became a

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<v Speaker 1>real job with more hours and responsibility. June wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>put her on the payroll.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was fourteen and needed a Social Security card.

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<v Speaker 2>Growing up, my name had always been Tracy Sandlin, which

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<v Speaker 2>is Jan's last name. That's when Kathy had to say, well, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>your name isn't Tracy Sandlin, It's Golder, and Jan isn't

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<v Speaker 2>your father, but it's really not because it really is him.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what we had to I mean, all of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff just came spelling it like, wait.

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<v Speaker 1>What Ted Golder was Kathy's first husband. Racy Riquel was

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<v Speaker 1>born while Kathy was still married to him, but Kathy

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<v Speaker 1>had been having an affair with Jan during the entire marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>So your legal name was Tracy Golder on your birth certificate,

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<v Speaker 1>but your biological dad was actually Jan Sandlin and you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't find this out until you needed to have papers

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<v Speaker 1>in order to work and make money. Yes, what did

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<v Speaker 1>you decide to do about your last name?

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<v Speaker 2>I was fourteen and sat in front of a judge

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, well, what name do you want? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Golder?

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<v Speaker 1>She did not want Jan's last name, and Tercy Riquel

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<v Speaker 1>liked to be connected to Matthew in whatever way she

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<v Speaker 1>could be, and her baby brother's last name was Golder.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who that is, but he's a Vietnam

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<v Speaker 2>Vette and it's Matthew's name, and I definitely don't want Jan's.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually, Kathy, Jason, and Tracy Riquel settled into an apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the first consistent home. She remembers.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a sophomore in high school, and the only

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<v Speaker 2>reason that we were stable then was because we were

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<v Speaker 2>in HUD housing.

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<v Speaker 1>HUD housing is housing and urban development. It's low income

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<v Speaker 1>public housing.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it like, this tiny, little bitty apartment complex

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<v Speaker 2>surrounded by trees so that nobody on the outside could

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<v Speaker 2>actually see what was inside.

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<v Speaker 1>When Tracy Riquel was younger, she had been beaten for

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<v Speaker 1>asking questions about Matthew's death. But as you heard in

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<v Speaker 1>episode one, her father Jan was incarcerated for arm robbery

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<v Speaker 1>when she was ten, so now she felt safe asking

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<v Speaker 1>more questions about the issue that haunted her. How did

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<v Speaker 1>her baby brother died? What did you grow up thinking?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't believe that it was an accident.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy Raquel had her suspicions, after all, she grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in a household where abuse was the norm, even when

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<v Speaker 1>she was a small child.

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<v Speaker 2>There was one specific time, have to be under the

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<v Speaker 2>age of four. He was in the shower and he

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<v Speaker 2>called me to come and get his cigarette, the camel cigarette,

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<v Speaker 2>and told me to take it to Kathy. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do with the cigarette.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did you do?

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of stood there and then he put

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<v Speaker 2>that camel cigarette out on me. That was the very

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<v Speaker 2>first time that he punished me for not doing whatever

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<v Speaker 2>he asked me to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a terrifying memory, and Tracy Raquel has a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those when it comes to her childhood. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to hear what Kathy Alman had to say about

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<v Speaker 1>the situation, so I went to see her.

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<v Speaker 2>I really can't get drawn into Tracy's fantasies anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>She has been lying in torturing me for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't take it anymore. What do you mean, Kathy,

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<v Speaker 1>What is she lying about everything? Kathy wasn't interested in

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<v Speaker 1>having a conversation, but she did send her sister, Sheila,

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<v Speaker 1>who lives with her, to come and talk to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy was not abused. She was spanked one time in

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<v Speaker 1>her life when she was.

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<v Speaker 2>In elementary school and Kathy called her smoking cigarettes in

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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom and she spanked her.

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<v Speaker 1>She was not abused. She was a very happy child.

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<v Speaker 1>Sheila might have strong opinions about Racy Raquel's childhood, but

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<v Speaker 1>she can't claim a lot of firsthand knowledge. Sheila spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time incarcerated during Tracy Riquel's youth. Her

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<v Speaker 1>crimes included fraud, robbery, driving under the influence, and narcotics charges.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy Riquel became a teenager with a mission. It was

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<v Speaker 1>if her brother Matthew was with her beside her asking

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<v Speaker 1>her to find out what happened the day he died.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of pushback, so I would only

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<v Speaker 2>do a little bit of research, and I would ask

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<v Speaker 2>questions from everybody in my family until they would be like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>enough enough.

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<v Speaker 1>She would need access to investigators and files that would

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<v Speaker 1>be difficult for a kid to get her hands on.

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<v Speaker 1>But having a stable household for the first time had

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<v Speaker 1>allowed Tracy Roquel to stay at one school and even

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<v Speaker 1>make friends.

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<v Speaker 2>We were all athletes and I had a really great

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<v Speaker 2>friend who was my neighbor. Everybody been and around Atlanta

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<v Speaker 2>knew Ryan Fleming, and he was just a great guy.

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<v Speaker 2>We were buddies. He played football for the high school.

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<v Speaker 2>It was all star and he just kind of my

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<v Speaker 2>support system.

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<v Speaker 1>But he offered more than just moral support. Ryan's family

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<v Speaker 1>had connections in the police department. Tell me about how

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<v Speaker 1>much he helped you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan went with me down to Decab County Police Department.

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<v Speaker 1>What were you guys trying to find?

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to see the pump side report, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what was his cause of death? I just assumed it

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<v Speaker 2>was a homicide. And I'm fifteen. I thought I was crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>They gave me an incident report. There was no investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody had ever done anything.

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<v Speaker 1>What did it say?

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<v Speaker 2>The incident report said that he suffered a head injury,

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<v Speaker 2>the ambulances coming, they're taking him to the hospital, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's all. So that's when it really opened all up.

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<v Speaker 1>She is only fifteen and she finally has this document

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<v Speaker 1>in her hand, so of course she studied it carefully,

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<v Speaker 1>and she found the lack of information suspicious. A baby

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<v Speaker 1>had died and there was practically no information. That was

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<v Speaker 1>not a typical situation. It was a lot more digging

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<v Speaker 1>to do, but she was a teenager and there was

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<v Speaker 1>also school and sports. Before she could completely immerse herself

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<v Speaker 1>into the investigation of Matthew's death. Tracy graduated from high

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<v Speaker 1>school and then her first thought was she needed to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of Kathy's house, where she felt like there

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<v Speaker 1>was no safety or protection.

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<v Speaker 2>I lived with Kathy until I was eighteen, and I

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<v Speaker 2>moved out on my own and had this little apartment

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<v Speaker 2>up on the lake and worked four jobs, just trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be away. I was terrified. I'm scared of everything

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. I never slept. I still don't really sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Building herself up into a physically strong person, someone who

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to defend herself. That's why the military

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<v Speaker 1>appealed to her.

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<v Speaker 2>I needed to get out of where I was. I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go in the Army. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>go to ranger school, jump out of airplane, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to learn all these skills that are going to

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<v Speaker 2>make me super tough and no one can never hurt me.

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<v Speaker 1>Tercy Mquel had just seen Top Gun, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>first one.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel the need need first feed.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people wanted to date Tom Cruise. She wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be Tom Cruise. How did you like the military?

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<v Speaker 2>Basic training was hard, a lot of sleep deprivation, all

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<v Speaker 2>that drilling, ceremony, following rules and getting up at different

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<v Speaker 2>times a day and all of that. But it really

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<v Speaker 2>sort of clicked in a way. I was stationed overseas,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was learning who I was. Came back home

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<v Speaker 2>and and found out that Jan was going to come

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<v Speaker 2>up for parole.

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<v Speaker 1>Jan was serving life in prison for a crime he

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<v Speaker 1>committed in Florida, So how long had he been away At.

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<v Speaker 2>That point He had done fifteen years for an armed robbery,

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<v Speaker 2>so it seemed reasonable that he might get out. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's where I think the fear really hit.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your fear?

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<v Speaker 2>It was just this terrifying thing that he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to get out of jail and he was going to

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<v Speaker 2>come and kill me. And I just couldn't what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So you thought he would kill you.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very realistic thought at the time. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought he was a danger to me. He was a

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<v Speaker 2>danger to Kathy. He was a danger to my brother Jason.

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<v Speaker 1>If you think that sounds extreme or paranoid, consider this.

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<v Speaker 1>Jan Barry Sandlin had terrorized her as a child. Elt

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<v Speaker 1>Another incident Tracy Raquel shared was so painful she could

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<v Speaker 1>barely get out the details through tears. Here's what she shared.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really hard to sit here to all this and

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<v Speaker 3>then think there's not something wrong with you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 1>What was embarrassing?

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<v Speaker 2>Roaches and butter.

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<v Speaker 4>On toast.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a form of punishment from Jan.

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<v Speaker 1>He made you eat that to punish you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, gosh, I'm like a basket case. Like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how many what could think he could be Like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>some of this style, it's ridiculously.

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<v Speaker 2>I might as well just do my best to get

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<v Speaker 2>it all out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to tell you. My heart broke as she cried.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't a revelation. I don't think she's ever spoken

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<v Speaker 1>about before. Her father forced her to eat bugs on

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<v Speaker 1>toast his punishment, and yet she carries the weight of

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<v Speaker 1>shame and embarrassment. There were no limits to his cruelty

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<v Speaker 1>and depravity Outside of the home. There were whispers into

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<v Speaker 1>Cab County about Jan being part of a ruthless organized

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<v Speaker 1>crime group. He was sentenced to a long prison term

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<v Speaker 1>for a crime he was caught committing, but were their

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<v Speaker 1>crimes he had never been prosecuted for. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>she was an adult. Tracy Riquel had married while serving

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<v Speaker 1>in the army and had two very young children of

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<v Speaker 1>her own. When she was a child, Jan had beaten

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<v Speaker 1>her for asking to visit her brother Matthew's grave. So

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<v Speaker 1>how would he respond to finding out that she was

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<v Speaker 1>now investigating his death.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to figure out what happened to Matthew. He's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get out of jail. Do you know how

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<v Speaker 2>much harder it's going to be out of chaos that

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<v Speaker 2>came with him. It's a Category five hurricane. It's unpredictable.

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<v Speaker 2>It's literally a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>You were on a mission.

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<v Speaker 2>You just couldn't get out of jail. So everything just expedited,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just worked harder, made more calls, reached out

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<v Speaker 2>to more people.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the problem. When Tracy Riquel tried to bring

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<v Speaker 1>attention to the circumstances around her baby brother Matthew's death,

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement into Cab County, Georgia wasn't interested.

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<v Speaker 2>For years, I had called the Cab County Police Department

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<v Speaker 2>and I always got the run around or was hung

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<v Speaker 2>up on. You know, it's a cold case, it's an

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<v Speaker 2>old case. They didn't have time. I had to call

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you not give up?

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<v Speaker 2>I had a friend whose uncle was in the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, who, you know, talked to me, just

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<v Speaker 2>keep doing what you're doing. You got to keep sending

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<v Speaker 2>letters and you got to keep calling to you get

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<v Speaker 2>somebody different, you know, And I did.

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<v Speaker 1>And then something remarkable happened. Tracy Raquel reached investigator Jim Maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>I am a thirty year retired law enforcement officer. I

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<v Speaker 4>spent most of my career in uniform division, and he

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<v Speaker 4>got promoted to detective. I worked commicide for several years

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<v Speaker 4>and after that transferred over to the Medical Examiner's office.

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<v Speaker 4>Was a forensic death investigator. She had mentioned her father

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<v Speaker 4>was Jan Barry Sandlin. That shocked me. Before I came

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<v Speaker 4>to the Medical Examiner's office, I'd been assigned a cold

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<v Speaker 4>case file where a police officer had been killed about

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<v Speaker 4>the time that her baby brother had been killed, and

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<v Speaker 4>one of the people to interested in that police officer

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<v Speaker 4>death was Dan Salin. I couldn't believe that was her dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Maybe had never encountered someone like Tracy Riquell before.

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<v Speaker 4>Wasn't some politician or someone of great important, just a

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<v Speaker 4>child that died. It's terrible, Yeah, but why would I

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<v Speaker 4>take it? But Tracy said some things that intrigued me.

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<v Speaker 4>She wasn't interested in money, baying, or fortune or anything

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<v Speaker 4>like that. She was simply wanting to know the truth

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<v Speaker 4>about what happened. Well, one of the manto's that we

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<v Speaker 4>have in the Medical Examiner's office, it isn't justice that

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<v Speaker 4>we see it's true, so justice can be served.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your first meeting with Jim Maybe?

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<v Speaker 2>Like he said he would help, and we talked for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of hours.

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<v Speaker 1>During that conversation, Jim Maybe asked Tracy Raquel to put

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<v Speaker 1>everything she knew in writing, and he thought he might

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<v Speaker 1>never hear from her again because in his experience, that's

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<v Speaker 1>how things went.

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<v Speaker 4>She typed out a two three page letter of everything

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<v Speaker 4>that she could remember that occurred the day that Matthew died,

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<v Speaker 4>and I started to read it and investigate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, only a parent can request access to their child's

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<v Speaker 1>medical records, and so for years, Tracy Raquel had asked

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy to get them from Decab and North Side Hospitals,

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<v Speaker 1>but Kathy refused.

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<v Speaker 4>She tried to obtain records surrounding Matthew's death after her

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<v Speaker 4>mother really wouldn't discussion with her.

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<v Speaker 1>That all changed when investigator Jim Mayde got involved.

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<v Speaker 4>I go missed my mother to request records from the

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<v Speaker 4>Cab Medical.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's when it started. Early ninety three, the

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<v Speaker 2>medical records from the hospital came.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard at the very beginning of this series about

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<v Speaker 1>this moment when Tracy Raquel first saw the records. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two years after Matthew's death, she held the envelope

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<v Speaker 1>that would solve the mystery that had haunted her most

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<v Speaker 1>of her life.

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<v Speaker 5>The cab General Hospital, December seventh, nineteen seventy one. Patient

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<v Speaker 5>name Matthew Stephen Golder. Skull X rays reveal extensive skull fracturing,

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<v Speaker 5>primarily on the left side. The clinical findings indicate massive

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<v Speaker 5>brain damage. The brain was markedly conduced and swollen. He

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<v Speaker 5>was felt to be terminal. Mother reports that the child

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<v Speaker 5>was thrown out of the crib by a two year

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<v Speaker 5>old sister and that she found him comatose.

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<v Speaker 1>The report is shocking. What did you do after reading it?

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<v Speaker 2>I called my grandmother first and I asked her, do

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<v Speaker 2>you know this? Did you know that this says this?

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<v Speaker 2>What is this? And she said, very matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>not in a cruel way, and yes, we know this,

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<v Speaker 2>We've always known that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you believe it?

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<v Speaker 2>As a human being, you have a moment where you

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<v Speaker 2>have to ask the question, is it possible that I

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<v Speaker 2>killed my baby brother? There's this terrible thing to think

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<v Speaker 2>that someone said this about you, and then that people

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<v Speaker 2>had to wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>On top of that, friends, neighbors, and people who knew

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<v Speaker 1>the family, like Jackie Wilson. They all heard the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone was saying that Tracy had brought her brother out

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<v Speaker 2>of a bed.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to Jan one time.

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<v Speaker 4>He said that.

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<v Speaker 1>Tracy had a temper and that commed in the bed

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<v Speaker 1>and she threw it out.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't make sense to me, but that was what

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<v Speaker 2>they said.

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<v Speaker 1>You went with it, Tracy Riqueal has heard different versions

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<v Speaker 1>of what happened to Matthew since she was a child.

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<v Speaker 1>It was chalked up to accidents. At one point, Kathy

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<v Speaker 1>even said Jan it but those were just stories. This

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<v Speaker 1>hospital report was in writing. Then Tercy Riquel called Kathy

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<v Speaker 1>hoping for some kind of explanation.

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<v Speaker 2>Once I got Kathy on the phone, she said she

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<v Speaker 2>never said that. I just wrote it down wrong. And

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<v Speaker 2>then she said, well, you know, it was an accident.

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<v Speaker 2>You picked him up and you dropped it.

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<v Speaker 1>She says she didn't say it. Then she says it

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<v Speaker 1>was an accident. I'm having a hard time making heads

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<v Speaker 1>or tails of your mother's response. What did you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a person who I think just guilt and I

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<v Speaker 2>your friends, So yeah, I'm looking around trying to think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>is it possible? Is this the horrible secret that's been

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<v Speaker 2>going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this why Matthew's name could never be mentioned out loud?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this why Jane beat her when she insisted on

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<v Speaker 1>visiting his grave because they held her responsible. Matthew was

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<v Speaker 1>in a coma and breathing erratically. It was all in

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital record, but there was more. Doctors examined his

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<v Speaker 1>entire body, and his physical state revealed evidence that her

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<v Speaker 1>brother had been a victim.

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<v Speaker 6>There is an old, dry, ulcerated area over the mid

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<v Speaker 6>left medial surface of the left foot. There are old,

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<v Speaker 6>dark purple colored areas of echamosis and bruising in the

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<v Speaker 6>left periclavical region.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a level of abuse that Matthew had been

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<v Speaker 2>through as a four month old child. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>third degree burn on the step of one of his

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<v Speaker 2>little feet. He had what looked like an old fracture

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<v Speaker 2>to his clavical He had brazing on his body.

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<v Speaker 1>How exactly would a two year old break and bruise

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew's clavicle or burn his foot. Then something happened that

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<v Speaker 1>would dramatically change everything, and ironically, it was something her

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<v Speaker 1>little daughter, Goldie.

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<v Speaker 2>Did Goldie was getting close to too. We had brought

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<v Speaker 2>groceries in and there was a gallon of milk sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in front of the door, and she was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>lift this gallon of milk to get it in the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>and she could not even drag it. And it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a light went off.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It occurred to me that she can't even drag this

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<v Speaker 2>gallon of milk, much less pick it up. How was

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<v Speaker 2>it that I, you know, four months old, picked this

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<v Speaker 2>infant up, lifted him over the side of a crib

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<v Speaker 2>and threw him on to a floor. That wasn't a possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>The weight of one gallon of milk is just about

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<v Speaker 1>eight and a half pounds. According to the medical records,

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew's weight was just under fifteen pounds. Goldie had unwittingly

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<v Speaker 1>given Tracy Riquel a simple physics lesson.

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<v Speaker 2>There was this epiphany watching her and realizing, I know

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<v Speaker 2>that that can't happen that way. I know that's not possible.

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<v Speaker 1>But even still, Tracy Raquel wouldn't just trust her own intuition.

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<v Speaker 1>She sought out the opinion of.

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<v Speaker 2>Experts, had multiple appointments with neurologists and pediatricians and pathologists

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<v Speaker 2>just in Savannah alone to explain, is this possible?

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<v Speaker 1>So did anyone tell you it was?

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<v Speaker 2>No one ever said that. No, they said no, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not physically possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally, emboldened, she called anyone and everyone who was there

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<v Speaker 1>the night Matthew died at Decab Medical Center.

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<v Speaker 2>I just basically went down a list of people I

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<v Speaker 2>could call and just called everybody. Most people didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to me, and he did.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Butch, her father, Jan's older brother. The Sanlin

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<v Speaker 1>family didn't have a reputation for nothing. Though his rap

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<v Speaker 1>sheet didn't match Jan's. Butch had been busted for shoplifting, trespassing, firearms,

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 1>and driving offences. But he did have a soft spot

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<v Speaker 1>for his niece.

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<v Speaker 2>Butch was a kind of terrifying man when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a child, Mister Georgia, mister all Southeastern Bodybuilders. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a really big, huge man, but he was always kind.

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<v Speaker 1>What did he say happened?

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't know the details exactly, but he said he

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<v Speaker 2>knew that they were responsible, that they had planned this,

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<v Speaker 2>and that they were going to blame it on me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really shocking. He told you that this was the

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<v Speaker 1>plan all along that Jan and Kathy wanted to kill

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<v Speaker 1>the baby. How did he know that?

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<v Speaker 2>He said, I arrived at the emergency room and you

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<v Speaker 2>were sitting on a concrete slab where ambulances pull up,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were, you know, football field away in the

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<v Speaker 2>parking lot, discussing there, you know, their story and how

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to get this together. He said. He

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<v Speaker 2>walked up and he grabbed Jan and said, what have

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<v Speaker 2>you done? What have you done?

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<v Speaker 1>How did Jim reply to that?

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<v Speaker 2>He said he didn't have a response. That was it,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that I was the scapegoat.

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<v Speaker 1>They put the blame on Tracy Riquel, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say it was intentional. The easiest thing was to say

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<v Speaker 1>it was an accident. The truth is that Jan and

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<v Speaker 1>Kathy met little resistance. Think about it. Each person who

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<v Speaker 1>had their hands and eyes on Matthew neglected to take

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<v Speaker 1>any action. The staff and two hospitals had seen this

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<v Speaker 1>child and examined him. They wrote about his injuries, even

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<v Speaker 1>the old ones that showed clear signs of abuse. The

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<v Speaker 1>doctors saw it, they knew. The coroner signed off on it.

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<v Speaker 1>The police didn't ask any questions. Everyone just went along

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<v Speaker 1>with the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody had to do any work. Nobody had to be

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<v Speaker 2>responsible or held accountable.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was about to end. Tracy Riquel was a

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<v Speaker 1>soldier and she knew it was time to go to

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<v Speaker 1>war on the next Burden of Guilt.

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<v Speaker 4>According to the Georgia Death Investigation Act, anytime a child

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<v Speaker 4>dies like that at autopsy has to be done. I

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<v Speaker 4>kept thinking about Sola, Well, how did the coroner sign

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<v Speaker 4>it out as an accidental lift?

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