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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Shocking video emerging of a

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Speaker 1: health boss gunned down in a targeted attack at this hour,

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Speaker 1: our marriage secrets revealed. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Masked gunman shoots dead the United Healthcare CEO in Midtown

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Speaker 2: Manhattan and urgent search ensues for the suspect. Last scene

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Speaker 2: entering Central.

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Speaker 1: Park, marriage secrets being revealed as this health boss worth

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars is gunned down and open around the public.

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Speaker 1: What do we make of clues left behind? Cryptic and

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Speaker 1: odd clues? For instance, bullets found actually have been inscribed

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Speaker 1: with letters on them. A cell phone had been left behind.

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Speaker 1: Is there DNA on a water bottle? Was this a pro?

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Speaker 1: A silencer was used? And in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: assassination the gun jams and seemingly the pro shooter simply

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Speaker 1: adjusted and continued firing. Everyone. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: If this can happen in public, what are we to

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Speaker 1: think of it? Well, take a listen to it, the

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Speaker 1: chief of detectives has to say.

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Speaker 3: This morning, at six forty six am, patrol offices from

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Speaker 3: Midtown North Preestint responded to a nine to one one

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Speaker 3: call of a person shot in front of the Hilton

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Speaker 3: Hotel located at thirteen thirty five Avenue of the Americas.

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Speaker 3: This is between West fifty third Street and West fifty

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Speaker 3: fourth Street. At six forty eight am. Officers arrive and

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Speaker 3: find the victim, Brian R. Thompson, a fifty year old male,

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Speaker 3: on the sidewalk in front of the Hilton, with gunshot

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Speaker 3: wounds to his back and leg.

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Speaker 1: You know, the way the sheoter handled the weapon, the

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Speaker 1: use of a silence, the mask, the lying in wait

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Speaker 1: all indicates a professional hit. But a pro wouldn't want

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Speaker 1: to be caught. A pro would do everything not to

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Speaker 1: get caught. So then why we're there, especially engraved bullets

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Speaker 1: with cryptic messages on them. Mm mmm, it sounds like

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Speaker 1: a fifth grade girl riding a crime thriller. Something's way

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Speaker 1: off with this. Joining me and all star panel to

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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now, but for

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Speaker 1: as straight out to investigative reporter Lauren Colin joining us

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Speaker 1: co host Primetime Crime on YouTube and you can find

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Speaker 1: her at Popcrime dot tv, who has gone to the

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Speaker 1: scene and investigated. Lauren, what can you tell us?

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Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy on the street the entire street of West

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Speaker 4: fifty third Street was blocked off.

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Speaker 5: There was a plane, clothes.

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Speaker 4: Detectives as well as uniformed officers basically not saying anything.

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Speaker 4: I asked questions, asked witnesses if they heard anything, and

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Speaker 4: the parking lot attendants were actually there earlier that morning,

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Speaker 4: but they said, you know, due to the silencer, they

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Speaker 4: didn't hear anything.

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Speaker 1: Tell me your understanding, what you learned of what happened,

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Speaker 1: Starting at the beginning.

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Speaker 4: Starting at the beginning, I learned that Brian Thompson arrived

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Speaker 4: in New York Monday. Now he was not staying at

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Speaker 4: the Hilton. He was staying at a hotel across the street.

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Speaker 4: He was set to speak at eight am at their

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Speaker 4: annual investors conference, and he was arriving early at six

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Speaker 4: forty five. So as he walked into the entrance of

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Speaker 4: the Hilton, it was revealed by NYPD that this gunman

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Speaker 4: was allegedly lying in wait before he shot him.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Chief Detective Joe Kenny.

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Speaker 3: Mister Thompson was removed by ems or Roosevelt Hospital, where

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Speaker 3: he was pronounced dead at seven twelve am. Mister Thompson

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Speaker 3: is the CEO of United Healthcare and in Minnesota. Detectives

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Speaker 3: from night Watch, Midtown North Detective Squad, and Manhattan South

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Speaker 3: Homicard responded to the scene and began their investigation.

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Speaker 1: We're learning a lot. I want to go straight out

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Speaker 1: to Bill Daily joining us from New York, former FBI

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Speaker 1: investigator forensic photography international security expert. Bill, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. You see the video steals we're showing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that a pro would have done this

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Speaker 1: right in front of a surveillance video.

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Speaker 6: Well, exactly right, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: Is that you know people throw on this thing about

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Speaker 7: you know, professional hitman. I mean those are those are

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Speaker 7: who trained who thought it out. Well, obviously he's done

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Speaker 7: a lot of reconnaissance and research, but we're talking about

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Speaker 7: professional hit people. That's something made in the movies. I

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Speaker 7: would say, Nancy, a couple of things. I'm quite familiar

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Speaker 7: number of years. Is that this is actually the side entrance.

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Speaker 7: Missus Thompson was apparently staying around the corner. We believe

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Speaker 7: that the Marriott Hotel, which actually gave him a couple

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Speaker 7: there was some other reconnaissance inside information that he knew

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Speaker 7: Tompson could have easy walked around seventh Avenue, come down

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Speaker 6: But he didn't. And so there are a couple of.

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Speaker 7: Things out here that kind of jump out to me

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Speaker 7: that are really concerning with your guard to how much

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Speaker 7: information was known about the specific movements of mister Thompson

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Speaker 7: that morning.

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Speaker 1: Bill Daly, I know exactly what you mean about that location.

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Speaker 1: But wouldn't it have been easy for the perp, the

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Speaker 1: Brian Thompson to walk out. He didn't have to be

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Speaker 1: lying in wait at that side entrance. He could have

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, there are a couple of things here

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Speaker 7: in Nancy that is true. And in fact, if he

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Speaker 7: he didn't have to be waiting outside. He could have

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Speaker 7: of points to perhaps something more someone from the area

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Speaker 7: or from the region, is the fact that mister Simpson

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Speaker 7: lives out in Minnesota. The day to day he comes

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Speaker 7: he goes perhaps to see maybe his children's sporting.

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Speaker 6: Events, who knows what.

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Speaker 7: But those are kind of open areas other areas where

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Speaker 7: he could have been a target. But yet this was

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Speaker 7: done in New York City, where he doesn't live, where

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Speaker 7: he was visiting, where this person would have only had

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Speaker 7: a couple of days opportunity for any kind of reconnaissance

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Speaker 7: of leads me to suggest that this person chose New

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Speaker 7: could disappear into Central Park and perhaps try to hide

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Speaker 7: your trails, you know. Or it was a matter of

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Speaker 1: You're right. The victim in town to speak at an

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Speaker 8: Listen, the victim was in New York City to speak

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Speaker 8: at an investor conference. It appears a suspect was lying

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Speaker 8: in wait for several minutes, and as the victim was

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Speaker 8: walking to the conference hotel, the suspect approached from behind

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Speaker 8: and fired several rounds, striking the victim at least once

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Speaker 8: Many people passed the suspect, but he appeared to wait

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Speaker 1: Well, it's clearly targeted, Bill Daily. There is no robbery,

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Speaker 1: there is no carjacking, there is no sex attack, So

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Speaker 1: it's targeted. Can we look at the photo of the

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Speaker 1: suspect's face. Now we keep hearing we don't know much

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Speaker 1: about him, but I can tell you right now he's white.

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Speaker 1: Number one. He knows enough to cover his face but

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Speaker 1: I say that he is not wearing gloves. To Lauren Conlin,

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Speaker 1: what can you tell me about a discarded water bottle?

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Speaker 4: The discarded water bottle, Nancy, was found in the Alleyway,

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Speaker 4: which is between fifty third and fifty fourth Street.

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Speaker 5: It's the big Field Ballroom Alleyway.

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Speaker 1: A pro would not leave behind a water bottle. A

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Speaker 1: pro wouldn't even be drinking anything right before you've murdered somebody.

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Speaker 6: Exactly.

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Speaker 7: You're right, Nancy, And go to my suggestion, this person

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Speaker 7: orchestrated this, pre planned it.

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Speaker 6: I thought it out. You speak about perhaps the weapon

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Speaker 6: a little bit later on, all.

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Speaker 7: These things tying to somebody who is knowledgeable about only

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Speaker 7: what they were doing, but certainly not a professional.

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Speaker 6: That's somebody we might see kind of portrayed in the movies.

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Speaker 7: These people would be much more sub roser about their efforts,

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Speaker 7: would kind of not be seen beforehand. And I'm going

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Speaker 7: to suggest to you is that besides this video and

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Speaker 7: to kind of put together both the timeline and his trail,

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Speaker 7: there'll be some more coming out and we'll have we'll

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Speaker 7: have some more facial images.

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Speaker 6: Perhaps the DNA may help.

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Speaker 7: As we all know working these cases is you need

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Speaker 7: have some databasing compared to or using ancestral DNA, perhaps

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Speaker 7: So even though we have all these things, and it

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Speaker 7: could be who knows, maybe fragmented fingerprints on the bullet

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Speaker 3: What we know is that the shooter arrived at the

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Speaker 3: He stands alongside the building line as numerous other people

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Speaker 1: Let me look at that stance one more time where

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Speaker 1: the shooter is pointing, pointing the gun at the victim.

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody on the path, I don't jump in,

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Speaker 1: but Bill Danley, look at that. It looks like someone

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Speaker 1: has been watching too many movies and they think that's

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Speaker 1: a professional killer stance. You see that right there. I'm

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Speaker 1: just telling you. Look, he doesn't have on gloves. He's

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Speaker 1: been hanging out, drinking from a water bottle that he

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Speaker 1: left behind. And then he gets on a city bike.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of a bank robbery I prosecuted where

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Speaker 1: the purp had a bike waiting around the corner. He

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Speaker 1: was anything but a pro and he pedaled off just

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Speaker 1: like this guy is doing. What do you make of that?

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Speaker 6: Bill?

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Speaker 7: You know, all these things going to add up to

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Speaker 7: the fact that this person again gave some thought.

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Speaker 6: But yet it's about quote professional.

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Speaker 7: I mean, we really don't have these kind of quote

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Speaker 7: professional hitment throughout the country.

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Speaker 6: Maybe the mafia does.

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Speaker 7: But we're not talking about people knocking off executive So

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Speaker 7: this doesn't happen in the United States. Perhaps over and

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Speaker 7: have a concern when people travel the high risk locations,

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Speaker 7: but certainly not in New York City. But I'll probably

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Speaker 7: tell you is that both that stance is kind of

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Speaker 7: a suggestion that the person thoth they knew what they

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Speaker 7: The jam several times apparently rights at each shot. According

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Speaker 7: to police, they believe that it jammed maybe because there

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Speaker 7: was a silencer on the front, a silence or that

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Speaker 1: Well, well, Lauren Colin, the gun jammed more than once.

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Speaker 4: Apparently it jammed between shots, but you know that didn't

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Speaker 1: The answer is yes, Okay, that's telling me a lot

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Speaker 1: right there, Daily Daily, Daily, A pro is going to

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Speaker 7: To some of the forensic guess versus that by using

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Speaker 7: Malfunction of the weapon. But again it did seem as

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Speaker 3: The shooter then flees on foot northbound into an alleyway

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know that, I know it's not random. Joining me,

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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer BERNARDA. Vielona, New York criminal defense attorney,

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Speaker 1: this is her bait. She is also a former prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. What do you make

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Speaker 1: engraved with three cryptic words. I mean, it's straight out

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Speaker 9: Still think there's an inside job because in a sense

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Speaker 1: Though, hold on just the moment on that Daily Bill

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Speaker 1: New York, intimately familiar with the ins and outs the

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Speaker 1: alleyways where this happened. The guy then goes to Central Park.

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Speaker 1: That was a pretty good move, and it's not that

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Speaker 1: I mean, and we can follow his drill. He had

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Speaker 6: I usually agree it's not a pro.

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Speaker 7: I also think that there's other probably kind of breadcrumbs

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Speaker 7: That could have been a number of things. But I

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Speaker 6: Apparently, according to the victim's.

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Speaker 7: Wife there were, and if there were, who was making

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Speaker 1: With what you're just saying, Bill Daily Lauren Conlin. Now,

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Speaker 5: Nancy? Those threats were never reported to law enforcement?

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Speaker 1: With me? Also is Scott Iiker founding member. I can't

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Speaker 1: say this enough of the FBI's Cellular Analysis Survey team.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say? He didn't just fall off the

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Speaker 10: I agree, there's a lot of other places that you

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Speaker 10: I agree with the other gentleman that says I don't

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Speaker 10: for him to do that malfunction, the clear the gun,

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Speaker 10: So I think, at least in my mind, he's made

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Speaker 1: We are learning more from Chief of Detectives Joe.

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Speaker 3: Kenney, from speaking to other employees that traveled with him

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Speaker 3: He left the hotel by himself, was walking, didn't seem

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Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin correct me if I'm wrong. But wasn't there

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Speaker 4: Yes, his net worth is forty three million dollars.

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Speaker 4: And not only that, I found a plethora of lawsuits.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace in addition to a water

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Speaker 1: To this, it's just like a fifth grade girl writes

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Speaker 11: Please have released a new chilling detail in the assassination

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Speaker 1: So the words deny, defend, and depose were engraved on

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Speaker 1: the bullets. By who? The local jeweler joining me right

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Speaker 1: now is a ballistics expert. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: and star of hit series Body Bags. That Joe Scott

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Speaker 1: Morgan Joe Scott really, okay, I can't hammer this enough

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Speaker 1: a pro What did they write it in? Fancy cursive deny, defend, depose? Seriously,

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Speaker 1: that sounds like the ransom note left behind in John Benay.

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Speaker 12: What's really fascinating about this, Nancy, is the fact that

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Speaker 12: He shows up prepared to a certain degree, although he

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Speaker 12: There's a lot still to kind of untangle here, but

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Speaker 12: that point is certainly fascinating. I've never encountered this before

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Speaker 11: Brian Thompson's wife Paulette tells NBC News that Brian has

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Speaker 1: Straight back out to Joe Scott Morgan joining us jo Scott.

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Speaker 1: If I said earlier, if there was a death out

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Speaker 1: no police reports, nothing, And she is the only one

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Speaker 1: coming forward with the alleged threats if they weren't reported

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Speaker 1: to police. Can anyone within the company verify this ever happened?

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Speaker 12: Well, he hasn't spoken of this to anybody that's around him,

442
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 12: But why would he not, you know, say something about this?

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Speaker 12: And let me tell you one more thing. A guy

444
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Speaker 12: that is in his atmosphere. You know, we see all

445
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 12: these celebrities, so called celebrities that are out there that

446
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 12: have these you know, security details with it. This is

447
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 12: a guy, Nancy, that actually has a level of value

448
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 12: and would heighten anybody's since it's relative to the danger

449
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Speaker 12: he could potentially be in. Why wouldn't you put a

450
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Speaker 12: couple of people on him to check the rout at

451
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Speaker 12: least to be body people that are going to score

452
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Speaker 12: him around. Maybe he didn't want that. I have no idea,

453
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Speaker 12: but I do know that he's a prime target. It's

454
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Speaker 12: just fascinating to me that they chose this particular location,

455
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Speaker 12: this individual went about it in this manner because I

456
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Speaker 12: agree with all of the other panelists. I think this

457
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Speaker 12: guy has some weapons familiarity, but he is in no

458
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Speaker 12: way a pro. If he had been a pro, we

459
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Speaker 12: would not have seen the video last that long. This

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Speaker 12: guy would drop down.

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Speaker 1: You may need to lay down for what you're about

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Speaker 1: to hear. Take a listen.

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Speaker 11: The suspect was reportedly spoted outside a public housing project

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Speaker 11: roughly three miles from the crime scene at five am,

465
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Speaker 11: carrying what looked like an e bike battery. He's then

466
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Speaker 11: seen again checking out at Starbucks not far from the

467
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Speaker 11: Hilton in just minutes before the attack. It's unclear what

468
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Speaker 11: exactly the suspect purchased, but police believe a water bottle

469
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Speaker 11: and candy wrapper left at the crime scene may belong

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Speaker 11: to the shooter and are testing the items for latent

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Speaker 11: fingerprints and DNA.

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Speaker 1: The next thing we're going to hear, Lauren Colin, is

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Speaker 1: that the shooter used a credit card. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: hung out at a Starbucks just before the shooting, and

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Speaker 1: of course places himself at a public housing project. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. Blame the people of the housing project somehow

477
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Speaker 1: drag that into it. I guarantee you that was orchestrated

478
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Speaker 1: three miles from the scene with what looked to be

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Speaker 1: carrying an e bike battery in cases e bike crapped

480
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Speaker 1: out on him. Now, at first, this is reported to

481
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Speaker 1: be a city bike, the kind that are easily accessed

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Speaker 1: around New York City. Now we're hearing it may not

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Speaker 1: be a city bike. That said, then he's at Starbucks

484
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Speaker 1: just beside the Hilton minutes before the attack, staring straight

485
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Speaker 1: into the surveillance cameras. So there's not just a water

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Speaker 1: bottle he leaves behind a candy wrapper. Somebody needs a

487
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Speaker 1: bit of honey, somebody wants the starbus before a murder.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and there also have been reports that NYPD believes

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Speaker 4: that he may have actually taken this subway from the

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Speaker 4: Upper west Side to Midtown and to that Starbucks.

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Speaker 1: Wait, then, if he was on the Upper west Side,

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Speaker 1: then he spotted at a housing project. There's not a

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Speaker 1: housing project on the Upper west Side. Okay, that's where

494
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Speaker 1: all the rich people live. They look down on Central Park.

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Speaker 1: There's not a housing project there. So does he leave

496
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Speaker 1: the Upper West to go to a housing project to

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Speaker 1: be spotted and then go to the Starbucks.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's what police are trying to figure out, and

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Speaker 4: I didn't. Well, I'm hoping that he did take the

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Speaker 4: subway because Mayor Eric Adams.

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Speaker 5: Did implement more cameras earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I got a lot of surveillance on this guy,

503
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Speaker 1: but you're right, subway would help me figure out where

504
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: he's coming from, where he's going, and how he knows

505
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Speaker 1: those paths. I'm still flummoxed by the fact that he

506
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Speaker 1: would lead a water bottle with his DNA on it,

507
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: a candy wrapper, take a bike, no gloves, has a

508
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Speaker 1: pretend pro shooter stance, and has engraved bullets. For Pete's sake,

509
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Speaker 1: why not just throw down your driver's license before you leave. Okay,

510
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Speaker 1: Now we hear about a potential eyewitness that goes on

511
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Speaker 1: the run.

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Speaker 11: Police still have not identified the eyewitness who ran from

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Speaker 11: the scene as Thompson was gunned down. A woman dressed

514
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 11: in dark clothing and holding a coffee cup was standing

515
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 11: in a doorway just feet away from Thompson when the

516
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Speaker 11: shooter opened fire. She runs along the building toward the

517
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Speaker 11: shooter to avoid the gunfire and disappears from frame. Authorities

518
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Speaker 11: are asking her to come forward, hoping she may be

519
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Speaker 11: able to provide new details on the shooter.

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Speaker 3: There's a cul phone recovered in the alleyway. We're working

521
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: through that cell phone. Obviously, we'll be processing it forensically

522
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: and as far as words being exchanged, we do not

523
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Speaker 3: have audio of the incident. We only have the regular

524
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Speaker 3: video nothing. Nothing for well, there's one witness standing right

525
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 3: next to the victim when he was shot. We're still

526
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: trying to identify that victim.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, excuse me.

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Speaker 12: That witness.

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Speaker 1: And we also learn that law enforcement has turned their

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Speaker 1: attention back home to Minnesota once again.

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Speaker 3: We're looking at everything. We're looking at his social media.

532
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Speaker 3: We are interviewing employees, we are interviewing family members. We

533
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Speaker 3: will be speaking to law enforcement in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: To bernardavi Alona joining us, high profile criminal defense attorney,

535
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Speaker 1: former prosecutor in this jurisdiction. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 6: There's still so much unknown.

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Speaker 9: There's still so much unknown, Nancy, I mean, I'm nervous.

538
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 9: I just don't see that there's going to be a

539
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 9: somewhat arrested or apprehended at least for another few months,

540
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Speaker 9: if ever.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Bernarda with the DNA, we

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00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: believe on the water bottle, the candy wrapper, likely on

543
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Speaker 1: the bike when it's recovered, and it will be He's

544
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: like a deer in the headlights at Starbucks. He's catching

545
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: every surveillance video around, and he's traveling on public transportation.

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00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: You still think we're not going to catch him. I

547
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: think it's going to take a lot of time, and

548
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: also we have to.

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Speaker 9: Hope that his DNA is in the system, in the

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Speaker 9: CODA system to be able to identify him, or unless

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Speaker 9: they go into one of his genealogy sites where they

552
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 9: try to try to identify him by someone in his

553
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,479
Speaker 9: family that may have submitted for DNA.

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Speaker 6: I don't think it's impossible.

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Speaker 9: Because also we have remember because of the timing of

556
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Speaker 9: this that we're talking about six in the morning, it

557
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 9: is very early. The streets are not packed, so it

558
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 9: makes it much easier to follow him via the cameras.

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Speaker 9: So I think that's why the cops and law enforcement

560
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 9: has been able to recover so much camera.

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Speaker 6: Footage of him.

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Speaker 1: So the timing.

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Speaker 9: Helps the helps law enforcement to try to get so

564
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Speaker 9: much lead. So I think it's a matter of time.

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Speaker 9: I just don't think it's going to be any time.

566
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Speaker 9: So I agree again, this is not a professional Scott Iiker.

567
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Speaker 1: What do you make of the fact that New York

568
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Speaker 1: detectives are now turning to the Minnesota law enforcement.

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Speaker 10: You've got to cover all the bases, not only but

570
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 10: you know his work is, you know, is in New York.

571
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 10: If you leave that untouched, you're missing potential evidence. You

572
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 10: talked about the prior threats. According to the wife, Well

573
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 10: let's get back there and talk to the employees there.

574
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Speaker 10: Let's talk about you know, what his personal life is like.

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00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 10: It could be, you know, a romance killing. You never

576
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 10: know until you get further into this type situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would go with a romance killing as you

578
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: just put it, or something motivated in his personal life.

579
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: Before I would come up with a far fetched international

580
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: espionage poor guy didn't get coverage on his insurance hatches

581
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: major assassination plot theory. When motives become more and more

582
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: far fetched, they're more and more unlikely to be true.

583
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: But I can't ignore this. Listen.

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Speaker 11: In February twenty twenty four, The Wall Street Journal reports

585
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Speaker 11: United Health CEO Brian Thompson is the subject of a

586
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Speaker 11: Department of Justice antitrust probe. Prominent pension funds in California,

587
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 11: including the Hollywood Firefighter's Pension Fund, file a federal lawsuit

588
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Speaker 11: against Thompson and other United Healthcare executives, accusing them of

589
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Speaker 11: offloading one hundred and seventeen million dollars in company stock

590
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Speaker 11: before the Department of Justice probe becomes public. The lawsuit

591
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 11: claims Thompson knew about the investigation as early as October

592
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 11: twenty twenty three and sold thirty one percent of his

593
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Speaker 11: company shares, making fifteen million in profit, eleven days before

594
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Speaker 11: The Wall Street Journal reported their probe, sending United health

595
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Speaker 11: stock sinking five percent.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, money, money, money, the love of money the

597
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: root of all evil. You know, when you're looking at motives,

598
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: that helps you find the purp. We know that law

599
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: enforcement in New York now turning toward Minnesota. Why but

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Speaker 1: I can't ignore all that money that he pocketed. To

601
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Speaker 1: Justice Scott Morgan, I don't know if you heard this earlier,

602
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Speaker 1: but Lauren Colin, I believe it was you that stated

603
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Speaker 1: he had developed some type of algorithm to deny claims.

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Speaker 4: Yes, one of the subsidiaries developed an algorithm where they

605
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: were accused of not even caring or knowing which claims

606
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Speaker 4: were being denied. They were just doing this based on

607
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 4: the algorithm.

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't him they came up with the algorithm,

609
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Speaker 1: or was it.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't him in particular. I mean, it was somebody

611
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Speaker 4: within the company, but I mean, of course he could

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Speaker 4: be targeted. Additionally, going back to when you mentioned the

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Speaker 4: Minnesota police, there was a protest at the company's Minnetonta

614
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Speaker 4: headquarters this past July, which.

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Speaker 5: Led to the arrest of eleven people.

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Speaker 1: Protest about what.

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Speaker 4: Demonstrators accused the company's insurance arm of a systemic practice

618
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Speaker 4: of refusing to approve care through prior authorization denials or

619
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Speaker 4: paper healthcare through claim denials.

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Speaker 5: So again these.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Joe Scott, what about it? Is the motive becoming

622
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Speaker 1: any clearer or is it becoming more murky for you?

623
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: For me, it's becoming more clear.

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Speaker 12: Oh yeah, it is. It is becoming more clear. And

625
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 12: it's a way that you know, investigatively, you know, you

626
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 12: can kind of pair this thing down relative to motive.

627
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 12: And as you always say, we don't have to prove

628
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 12: motive but when you're still searching for somebody that could

629
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Speaker 12: be an active shooter out there, it's investigative goal because

630
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 12: that's one of the roads that you need to go

631
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 12: down relative to this to try to suss this out. Hey,

632
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Speaker 12: can I just say one more thing, Nancy, that it's

633
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 12: a dead giveaway with this case, that is a specific identifier.

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00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 12: You know. People can go and buy handguns, you know,

635
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 12: and there's going to be a waiting period. But if

636
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 12: this suppressor that he has on this weapon is not homemade,

637
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 12: he will have to have a handgun platform that's going

638
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 12: to have a threaded barrel on it so that the

639
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 12: suppressor can be screwed onto it. Now, when you purchase

640
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 12: a suppressor, it's actually a bit more rigorous than just

641
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 12: buying a handgun. You have to pay a tax in

642
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 12: advance of that purchase, and then you have to wait

643
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 12: because the APF comes in and they have a profile

644
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Speaker 12: on you at that point in time, and you have

645
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Speaker 12: to create a huge amount of paperwork relative to so

646
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 12: that one bit in there, provided of course, this is

647
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 12: not some kind of homemade suppressor, that's going to be

648
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 12: a big clue as well.

649
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at that pro stance. The sheeter

650
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: is trying to affect clearly right handed, a right handed

651
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: mail white with a specialized camera backpack. That's a camera backpack.

652
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: I guess he was using it, Joe Scott to store

653
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: the gun and anymo. But that's a specialized and very expensive,

654
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: nearly three hundred dollars backpack he's got on Joe Scott.

655
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 12: Yeah, And what would be the purpose of that? You

656
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 12: know that you would need that level. You know, you

657
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Speaker 12: want to make yourself small. I would think you would

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Speaker 12: want to make yourself unnoticeable. One other thing that I've

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Speaker 12: thought about as well, looking at some of this footage,

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Speaker 12: fancy is I was really interested if he had layered

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Speaker 12: up on clothing. And I know you few cases this

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Speaker 12: way before that involved this where an individual will, do

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Speaker 12: you know, conduct a shooting and they're prepared going in,

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Speaker 12: they begin to strip their clothes off. Remember you've got

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Speaker 12: CCTV footage of this guy, you know, out in about town.

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Speaker 12: Did he rip his clothes off, that top layer of

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Speaker 12: clothing dumped them? Did he have something else in the

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Speaker 12: back that he could have changed into change his appearance

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Speaker 12: as well?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 12: And it's still called mask that he had is not

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Speaker 12: actually a mask. You can still see his nose in

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Speaker 12: his eyes, and of course he's bare handed, so I

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Speaker 12: don't It's just it's weird to me that this guy

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Speaker 12: is not fully prepared, but yet it seems as though

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Speaker 12: he wants to be prepared again. These are these are

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Speaker 12: little elements of little breadcrumbs along the path that they're

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Speaker 12: going to follow in this case. I'm I'm actually thinking

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00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 12: they're going to catch this guy in pretty short order.

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Speaker 11: An internet super claims he may have tracked the location

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Speaker 11: of the assassin using city bikes tracking. A data scientist

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Speaker 11: named Riley, who goes by at rtwlz on X, claims

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Speaker 11: he's been scraping city bike data every minute and believes

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Speaker 11: he tracks the location of the bike from near the

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Speaker 11: shooting at six forty four am and straight to a

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Speaker 11: location at Madison Avenue at eighty second Street at six

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Speaker 11: fifty two am. Riley turns the info over to the

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Speaker 11: MIPD waiting on the results.

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Speaker 1: It cannot underestimate the power of citizens saluths. I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that much, especially after Gabby Patito's case. There

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Speaker 1: are nearly twenty six thousand, twenty six thousand public and

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Speaker 1: private cameras throughout Manhattan to you Bill Daily. If you

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Speaker 1: had to wager on what his path was, knowing he

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Speaker 1: went into Central Park on the bike, what would it be.

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, knowing the way people operate, having

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00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 7: observed them over the many years, both in the public

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Speaker 7: and private sector, and behaviors of criminals who would be criminals,

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Speaker 7: is that people are very comfortable in areas that the

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Speaker 7: use of being being in. So I would probably think

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Speaker 7: that this person traveled in a place where he felt comfortable,

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Speaker 7: where he was kind of able to kind of blend

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Speaker 7: into his home environment, not something that's out of sorts.

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Speaker 7: If we're kind of working on this theory. They're a

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Speaker 7: couple of reports by local media here in New York

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Speaker 7: that perhaps people saw a bicycle and somebody resembling his

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Speaker 7: subscription exiting the park up in the upper eighties or

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Speaker 7: just maybe forty five minutes later. Perhaps that's that's the

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Speaker 7: direction that he went in. You know, I think, and

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Speaker 7: as you're going back to kind of motive, but just

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Speaker 7: want to touch on that for a second, because as

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Speaker 7: much as we talk about perhaps as somebody was a

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Speaker 7: former customer or former employee, but also in my career

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Speaker 7: I've also seen where we've had these advocates, people who

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Speaker 7: are out there. We mentioned about protests outside, about the

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Speaker 7: outside of the company, but there are people who become

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Speaker 7: invigorated by the fact that they have a cause. And

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Speaker 7: it could be somebody who's following in those footsteps where

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Speaker 7: they're invigorated because they hear all these things about big

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Speaker 7: insurance and want it takes take steps.

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Speaker 6: On their own.

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Speaker 1: Right now, we are looking for answers, but I know this.

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Speaker 1: I believe he went straight to a subway en route.

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Speaker 1: He shed some of his clothes as Scott and I

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Speaker 1: were discussing, but he kept the backpack and the shoes

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Speaker 1: had to because the gun will be in the backpack.

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Speaker 1: I'd be scouring every one of those twenty six thousand

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Speaker 1: cameras till I see a white guy walking along same

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Speaker 1: shoes with the backpack. If you know or think you

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Speaker 1: have any information on this case, If you think you

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Speaker 1: saw something you're not sure, doesn't matter, dial one eight

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Speaker 1: hundred five seven seven Tips one eight hundred five seven

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Speaker 1: seven eight four seven seven. And now we remember an

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Speaker 1: American hero. Police officer, Sergeant Herschel Turner, mouleen Akers, PD, Missouri,

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Speaker 1: Herschel struck and killed in the line of duty over

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Speaker 1: twenty two years serving and protecting. Survived by wife Donna

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Speaker 1: and seven children. American heroes serg A. Herschel, Turner, Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace signing off goodbye friend,