WEBVTT - Preview Episode: Big Sal E Graziano 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:13.239 All right, Well, our guest is our guest is ready 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.560 to be like I would. This is a man that 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.639 I just love so much and it's so fun, and 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:23.600 he's gonna look a lot different for most of you. 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:25.079 I haven't seen him in a while, but he is 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:30.960 in U CW original. He is big sal he growsigo, 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.360 what's with the mask? Son? Where are you? I just 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.960 I'm actually uh, I left work and I'm in between visits. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:44.080 I'm in between appointments today. So well, I thank you 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.760 for putting up this because it's you, and you're like, oh, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:54.720 you never talk to me, you don't you ignore me, 0:00:55.040 --> 0:01:00.320 gonna make I am gonna make time for friends, kept up. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.480 You put my husband over every chance you get. But 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.160 when it's me, it's just like I don't even care 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.920 and mirror. But I was. I was explaining to people 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.080 who had you know who, who either think you're dead 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.399 or just don't know, like, what's going on? How different 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:20.160 you look? Now? I got a lot of Valpuccio heat. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:26.120 Did you funny? Not funny? Not funny that you know. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.119 I'm not making late of death or anything, but yeah, 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.319 I can see it a little bit. Really from where 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.520 he was like six foot No he was bigger than six. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.560 No he was not. Though anyhow, what do you have 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:48.320 to come on here and argue? Can we just do 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.520 you know what I thought of the other day after 0:01:50.560 --> 0:01:54.040 I spoke to you. Do you remember Sal and I 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.920 were like friends like outside and I used to go 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.840 to his house and hang friends outside of normal of 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.440 the business, right, Like, it wasn't just I sawmn you know, 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.560 we talked and we hung out and stuff. Do you 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:09.519 remember the time when we tried to make a movie 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.280 and you you were with the guys, Oh my god, 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.600 the guys. Uh the the we were supposed to just 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.000 do clip a clip when it took forever to do 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:25.800 because it just nothing worked. It was fucking ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, okay, 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.280 So we were trying to make like, uh, I guess 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:29.960 it was a horror movie. It was a hard It 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.639 was a horror it was it was supposed to be 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.200 a clip of a horror movie. And it was supposed 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:38.400 to be something that someone like found footage. So we 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.880 wanted to make it look like found footage, like Witch 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.480 project thing, right, and it just and just nothing worked 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.240 out for me. It just none of it worked. The 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.919 funniest is I'm sitting in a chair right. There was 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.359 a movie on in the background too. We kept laughing 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:57.320 at the stupid dialogue of the movie. But Sally is 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.800 telling me, okay, like you know, I'm gonna to like 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.160 be like a killer kind of thing, and I'm gonna 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:05.799 I'm gonna try and like choke you. All we needed 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:10.360 to do is get a clip, one solid clip of it. Well, 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.720 first of all, he kept like he's choking me, and 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.200 it's the it's like the lightest choke ever. And I'm like, so, 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.280 put some energy and something. Right, He's got his hands 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.160 around me. I what was I wear it? Could He 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.280 kept going okay, wait, stop, no, we have to lower 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:26.600 this a little, and he would go like this to 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.040 my blass, like okay, that's better. But it was nothing. 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.640 It was nothing. It wasn't anything dead, No, it was 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:38.480 it sounds it sounds horrible like now now like saying it. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.200 It sounds terrible. We have to do you have that 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:45.960 I wish I have, so I have I had. I 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.840 had all these different stuff that like me and friends 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.680 did and when we used to take alca cells and 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:54.040 put it in our mouths and like go out in 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.960 public and like just start spraying and spinning a ship 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.800 all over the place. I had all these tape. When 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:05.240 I moved from back from Kentucky back to Jersey, all 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:11.040 the tapes disappear. Like when I say disappeared, when I 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.160 say he disappeared, I mean they're gone. And I'm like, weird. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.279 The only thing I could think of, I'm like, did 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.359 they get Now? This is where it gets fucking funny, 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.400 because it would be great if this somewhere turned up somewhere, 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.040 like I left them in the apartment in Kentucky, and 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:33.760 like the landlord found all these just the landlord found 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.960 them and opened the YouTube channel, and now they're on 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.919 and we don't even know you, We don't even know 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:44.520 random people throwing up blood or fucking spitting up Alcus 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.080 elser A in a supermarket. Oh my god. I just 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:49.960 thought of that, and I thought about all the stuff 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:51.360 that we used to do, and I just sort of 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:55.400 hysterical laughing. Oh my god. And before we get into 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:59.640 like wrestling and stuff, tell everyone about the mine cup 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.359 because this thing. Chad doesn't know Chad, did you do? 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.719 You know? Sal? I never met Sal. I just you know, 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.360 I've heard him on a different podcasts before. Yeah, so 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.240 I'm sitting here like an idiot. Hey, what's up? So 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:15.720 don't feel like an idiot, France, I'm the idiot. That's okay, 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.560 it's all right. Well I did it, Okay. I was 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.240 just so justsed to see you because I haven't seen 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.120 your beautiful face in a very long time. So there 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:27.960 we go. So, so chat, there was this thing called 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.440 the mind cup, and I'm gonna let Sal explain it. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:34.520 But if you knew, you knew, and that's all I 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.440 have to say. So okay, let me let me ask 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.000 you question. Chad. When you were a kid and you 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.120 were bored and like your mom and dad were doing 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:47.080 something and you were stuck there with him, that was 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.200 your most dangerous time as a kid because you're bored 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:54.599 and you're gonna look for shit to do. Yeah, right, 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:58.360 So that's when you become an asshole kid, and that's 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.680 when you become agitated or an asshole adult. Right. It's 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:06.520 all came from us waiting for to do promos, waiting 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:11.200 for checks, waiting for everything. We were always stuck somewhere waiting. 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:17.240 And my my hobby in travel used to be to 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.520 collect big Gulf cups like the old just the old 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.839 school of seven eleven plastic big gulf cups, and I 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.280 had I had a collection, no joke. I didn't have 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:28.560 one real glass in my house. I had nothing but 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.800 big golf cups. So I had these big golf cups. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.279 And I think it was at the first time was 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.719 me and I think Steve Corino, and we were sitting 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.080 up in a balcony, and I want to say it 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:45.839 was Boston, but we're sitting on a balcony just waiting 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:50.960 again for more shit, and we saw we saw Raven 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:55.800 walk by. I love it because I know, yeah, well, 0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:00.240 So we're sitting there and I just Steve is in 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.200 front of me, and I just lean over and I 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.960 start talking into the cup. You know, these people are preposterous. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.600 You know, I can't stand this I'm hearing. I have 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.440 an IQ of one hundred and ninety seven. So I 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.120 start talking as if I'm the voice inside of a 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:19.600 Raven's head. So Kirino's laughing, I'm laughing, and that's how it's. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.720 It was a dumb, little, one time, stupid joke that 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.000 kept going. So at point me and Steve Corino are 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.480 dying and Franny comes walking in. She goes, what are 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.200 you doing so we're like, just sit down. So she 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.960 sits down, and everybody's coming in and out, and anybody 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.520 who walked through we just had something to say about it. Well, 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.560 their mind had something to say about it. And we 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.480 I wrote on the side of the glass mind cup 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.840 that it was the inner workings of somebody's mind. You 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.200 can hear everybody's inner thoughts. So great, And when Dreamer 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.200 walked in, all weys started to just play man in 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.080 the box because that's all that's going through his head 0:07:55.120 --> 0:08:01.440 twenty four. That's the only thing walks in. I hate 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:10.120 this place. That's so great. Oh my god, I never 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.720 got to hear my mind. No, you were always sitting 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:15.760 up top, were we Well? I think I planned that 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.480 because I didn't want you making fun of me. So 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.000 I was like, oh, he's got that cup. I have 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.800 to But that's one of the memories, you know. There 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.440 were so many positive things that came out of like 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.200 our locker room, just from the banter and the friendship. 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.960 And I always remember the mine cup as just making 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.640 me smile. And when I when you said you would 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:37.959 do the show, I'm like, I have to bring the 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.280 mind cup up because that was so fun or the 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.080 day the day Raven found out about the mine cup 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.680 and he talked into a styrofoam cup. It wasn't the 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.880 sick to do it. And I threw the mine cup away. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.360 I said, well, you ruined it. Yeah. I threw the 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.320 plastic mindcup away in front of him and he was 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.760 he just looked and he was like, it wasn't disgusted. 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.160 It was so great. Do you want to talk about 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.040 the past or what you're doing now? What do you 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.920 want to talk about? You want to talk about? Uh? 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:11.880 You know, hey, Sal, how'd you get into wrestling? I 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.240 walked into a gym and I paid a man three 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:19.600 thousand dollars. Yeah, and there you go. Who was your trainer, Sal, 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:24.680 Johnny Rods, same as Tommy and Taz, And uh do 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:28.240 you regret that day? No? No, you know what, there 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.240 were points where I did and never and never because 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.760 it was Johnny, like honestly being being a mark going 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.600 into the business. Everybody is right because everybody's like, oh, 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.960 I can't wait to do it. And you know, you 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:45.720 think when you're back in the day, you're like, oh, 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:47.959 Johnny Rods and oh I remember him, he was a 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.400 jobb or people say that ship and you're like, Okay, well, 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.000 now the time is coming past. You realize guys like 0:09:55.040 --> 0:10:00.160 that are fucking legendary because they made they made their 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:05.360 fucking life in this business that is so uncertain. You 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.920 don't know if you're gonna have your job tomorrow, right, 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.960 you know, Hey, Jerry Brisco, how you doing? No great? 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.160 The guy's been around forever. But like those guys have 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:19.079 done these these these they keep their their spots because 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.520 they know how to work their professionals. And I am 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.400 I am never never have I been so thankful that 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.600 I've worked, and that I was trained by guy, a 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.000 guy like Johnny Rods and guys like and I got 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.720 to meet guys like Dreamer and Taz and all those 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.360 dudes who you say whatever you want about them. Yeah, 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.679 you know, socially they are probably stunted to kindergarten levels, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:44.199 But it's those guys. I love all of you. I 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.800 love I love all No, stop it. I don't need 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:49.319 a job anymore from any of these people, So I 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.760 don't get you. Don't You can say whatever you want. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.320 I don't care, no, And it's not bad. I'm not. 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.640 Let me tell you. Here's the here's the funny part. 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.720 A lot of people I've said, I've said stuff on 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.480 inner views and stuff and just it's just how I feel. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.600 And they're like, oh, and I'm like, come on, does 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:08.160 anybody care anymore? Is it really a big deal anymore? 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.480 Of the ship like dead? Most Yes, I don't know 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.400 a lot of fans think it's real now though, Sal. 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.400 I think a lot of fans today blurred the line 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:22.400 of reality and uh, you know, the business so and 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.240 we lost them. I guess there he is. I thought 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:26.920 I thought I kicked you off with that. I thought 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:30.040 I blew your mind with that statement. I don't think 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:36.200 it's no, it's it's different. It's different today, though, Sal, 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:38.720 because like back then, we didn't have social media. We 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:43.240 talk about this all the time. If we did, a 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.000 lot of us would be a lot of true. Oh 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.880 for sakes, right, yeah, but even to the point of 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.400 k fabe, like everything has changed, the business has changed. 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.880 But that's what I say with this interview though. People 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.160 people take what you say and run with it because 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.120 they they kind of blur the line of it was 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.520 real and what wasn't. So you say something like that, 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.920 they go, oh my god, sALS just said, you believe 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:10.319 that the run. But that's and here's the thing. I 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.560 was in eighties. I was an eighties kid. I grew 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.400 up in the eighties watching eighties wrestling, and that was 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.040 that was that rule, you know what I mean. That 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:23.840 was how it worked being in the business. Of course, 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.560 you know, never meet your heroes, which learned hard way. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:32.880 Sorry I disappointed you. How old do you think you are? 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:38.640 I know how old I am. I never my age, kiddo, never, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.960 uh you see you threw me off now. But like 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:45.959 we grew up in a differentime, especially E c W. 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:51.199 E c W kind of shrugged off the cartoon. We 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.280 have our cartoon gimmicks, you know that sort of thing, 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.439 and E c W shrugged it off, and guys were 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.440 using their names and and you know it wasn't so much. 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.440 Oh we can't be seen together, you know that sort 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.920 of thing. K fabe started getting a little bit blurred 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:11.440 now because it was disappearing. Now it's become everybody knows everything. 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:16.520 Everybody knows, uh, you know Francine's last name. Everybody knows where, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:21.160 what appearance is she's gonna make. Everybody knows every fucking 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.880 thing about. Oh, she had a dynological appointment because you're 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:29.200 fucking coach with itchy. They all know. They all know 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.440 because no, Number one, because your husband puts out a 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.560 memo every month. No, he does not. I did I 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.720 put a picture up of my knees in the in 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.120 the uh, in the gimmick saying, oh, I wonder what's 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:44.400 wrong with me today? I put a picture your knees 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.240 up and that sold for six hundred dollars in Japan. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:53.040 That was in Japan. I'm over in Tokyo, but not 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.760 to watch of the states. When like when and hall 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.280 did you come into E CW For those who might 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.240 not like you met the boys like through Johnny Rodds 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.480 and stuff. So I trained. I trained with Devon. I 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.480 trained with Tommy ninety one. I was a senior in 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:14.800 high school ninety one, okay, yeah, and I trained with them, 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.120 and that's when I started at Johnny Rods ninety one. Uh, 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.320 Devon I met, you know, he came through Johnny and Soared, 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.600 Tommy all those guys. And then I think it was 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.080 ninety I took a break because I went to school 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.440 for a year and I, you know, was trying to 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.880 be normal. Yeah, and then I came back and started, 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:38.400 you know, working indies again and just talking to Devon 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.440 and he asked me, you said, hey, can you send 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.040 us a tape? And here it was I kind of okay, 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.200 So again I thought this was like kind of a 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.560 little bit of a rib and I sent the tape, 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.880 figure it would be Devon and Tommy watching this, and 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:57.040 I sent a video clip. It was basically a promo 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:00.400 tape of me just constantly, just and it was heatedly. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.200 It was so I was. I did it on two 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.520 VCRs of me just dropping an elbow on Devon over 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.200 and over and over and over and over and over 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:11.440 and over, and meat like whipping Devon with a with 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.640 a money bag that we had that we didn't Gleason. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.200 We did a show home show and Gleasons and it 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.560 was just me beating the ship out of Devon and 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.480 I just chopped it up and then I would add 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.560 all these little video effects because I figured it'd be 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.880 it's a goof, and it was just I found out 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.880 Paul everybody watched him. Everybody fucking watched it. I was 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:39.160 like God, and Paul, you know, I came. I came 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.440 into Queen's actually, and I you know, brought my stuff 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.360 and they were like you want to go. I said yeah, sure, 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.240 and I went I did it. I did the deal 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:51.680 with Spike and I come walking in the back and 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.720 it's it was Shane Douglas. It was uh Bam bam, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:16:01.600 it was uh devon buba. Every he was there and 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.840 they all had like arms fold and they all looked 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:09.520 fucking ticked right, And I'm like, oh shit, Sane Douglas. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.520 Shane Douglas sitting there and now here I am. I'm like, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:14.720 and I come in the back and I didn't say anything. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:16.360 I didn't know what to say, and I'm just standing 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.040 there like an asshole. And Shane Douglas was well, now 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:24.200 you've done it. And I'm like, and I'm looking linking around, 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:28.000 like what happened. Spike comes in the back. And normally, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:29.800 you know, Spike will come up to you and be like, hey, 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.880 thank you so much, YadA, YadA, YadA. Spike walked in 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.600 the back and he stopped because he saw everybody else. 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.560 And I was like, oh shit, what did I do wrong? Okay? 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.040 And Shane goes, you did it. I can't believe it, 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.640 and I'm like, what what the fuck? What the fuck? 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.200 He is, Oh, you got a job here, I'm like, 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.800 oh shit, oh shit, oh shit. And then Spike, you know, 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:53.800 thank you so much, thank you, and you know everybody, 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.400 and I was like, cool, what, I have to go 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:03.840 change my pants because how fun. Yeah. I remember when 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.119 you first Yeah, when you first came in, you were 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.840 like larger than life to me, like just your stature 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:15.720 and just and the fit with the FBI. I think 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:21.000 it worked so well for you. I like, they want 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.000 to deal with me. They were they were gonna make me. 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:28.440 Uh they put me with justin Credibles Crew long No, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.400 it was I was always in the schmas with that 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:34.119 at the end. And then they were gonna put me 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:39.960 with Danny and Chetty and it was gonna be Sally Nightlife, 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:42.560 and I was all I was gonna hold a disco 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.760 ball above them while they talked, while they did their promo. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.080 I think I vaguely remember this. And then Paulie came 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.480 up and he goes, so, uh, sally E Garazziano, and 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.439 I'm like no, like an asshole, I'm like, no, Valenti 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.280 my name, and he goes and he looks at me 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:06.040 to Gusy like you're a little idiot, look at you, 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:11.000 You're a mora you're you're a big Idiot's good for you? 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.880 Oh my gosh. So if I think it worked, I 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:19.159 loved it. I loved the pairing with Widow and Tony 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:25.040 and whoever else was in that. Tracy Well, I really 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.720 liked JT. Smith in there in the early days because 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.080 it was just so ridiculous and it's just like, you're 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.439 looking at this faction and saying so ironically of you. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.800 I was. I was, you know, getting back into indies 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:41.000 and stuff, and I caught E c W. I guess 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:45.840 it was maybe ninety five, might be in nineteen nine, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:47.879 five ninety six, and I happen to catch it on 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.680 MSG late night. I was hanging out with my friends 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.679 and we saw nine one one and Taz doing the 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.240 deal and I'm like, and I watched him, like, what 0:18:55.240 --> 0:19:00.320 the fuck is this? That's what everybody says. Katy's came 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.880 out and they were doing the bit and I said, 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.520 I go, oh my god, what the fuck is happening? 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.880 And I laughed about it, and I remember saying, I'm like, huh, 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:16.879 that ain't gonna last. Really. Yeah. I remember thinking the show, 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:21.359 the show, and I'm like, because I liked so here's 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.680 the thing. Anything I like goes away very quickly if 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:27.800 I have If they have a new flavor of coffee somewhere, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.240 and I'm like, I love this shit, they discontinue it 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:32.960 that week. If I like the show, they're like cool, 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.000 ratings pulled and I yeah. So when I saw this, 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.040 I remember thinking going, this is really cool. It looks 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.119 like fucking handycams and you know, like walking around like 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.960 handheld chemis is cool. I like this, and I remember going, 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:50.720 it's not gonna last now. And then ironically, a friend 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:52.199 of mine when I when I got the job, a 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:53.720 friend of mine was like, do you remember we were 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:55.679 in your fucking basement watching this, And I was like, 0:19:55.720 --> 0:20:00.760 oh my god. Yeah, so it's funny how life, you know. 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.680 And then to go ahead and meet people that I've 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.240 already I knew from high school, you know what I mean, 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.320 Like people who like don't don't lived in our area. 0:20:11.240 --> 0:20:13.240 Me and her knew each other from passing, and people 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.840 never come to find out I did a show with 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.680 Ben Hamene. Yeah, I did a show with him, and 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.920 come to find out, Greek god Papa Don used to 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:31.160 live in Rosedale in my neighborhood, so we never knew 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:32.639 he was in my brother's grade. He was in the 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.320 same school at p S. One thirty eight. We all 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.479 want the same like, it's just so fucking weird that 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.000 through the business, all the people that lived right with 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.159 each other, we never knew. Do you consider it the 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:47.640 best time of your career? Of my career starts. I've 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:53.600 never I've never talked to somebody from ECW who says 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.639 that it wasn't that they had more fun in like 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:02.159 another fed or somewhere else. And you know what it is. 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:07.560 It's it's it's because we're all fucked up. It's because 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.000 we're all fucked up, and we all I like to 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.720 think it's because we're all friends and we all had 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.360 a good time, But why are we friends because we're 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:18.000 all fucked up all we all gravitated to each other. 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.400 It's the land of misfit toys. Okay, some of us 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.320 more than others. We just have to state that because 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:28.280 you know some of us wear well. It depends on 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:30.560 what you thought, what you're talking about. We all Okay, 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:35.800 So here's here's the thing. We all were fucked up 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:40.160 in some way or another. Some guys it was drugs, 0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.680 some guys it was sex. Some guys or girls. It 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:48.399 was a thousand other things, but we were all fucked up, 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:50.359 and that was the thing. The thing was, we didn't 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:54.640 want to be anywhere else, right, you know what I mean? 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.240 Like we all we all were happy being there because 0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.320 we were all accepted with each other. Okay, it's it's 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.719 nice that you mentioned that, because I tell a story 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.040 on here. I've told a story. Rather when I got 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.439 offered to jump to WWF, and it was early, or 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.240 I was with I think I was with the Pimples. 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:17.760 It was very early, and I was so comfortable with 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:21.320 ECW and so green, and I was I was number one. 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.320 I was afraid, but for the most part, I loved 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:27.280 everybody in the locker room, and I didn't want to go, 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.119 no matter how much money they were going to offer me. 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.960 I stayed making peanuts because this was my home and 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:36.320 this is where I wanted to be. If you got 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.000 a call, maybe you did. I don't know if they 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.480 wanted to pull you. Do you think you would have 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:46.200 left or so you got an offer it was it 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:50.399 wasn't WWE, but yeah, w CW. And then I just 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:55.480 tell us, here's the other thing too, A little inside baseball. 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.640 I guess I didn't know what to do at this point, 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:01.800 so I guess I had an agent come to me, 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:05.360 and uh, he was like, oh, you know, I want 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.080 to I want to do movies and this and that. 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.439 I said, okay, cool man, I'm down. But then he 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:13.040 wanted to get more involved in wrestling. He was more 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.240