Speaker 1: All right, Well, our guest is our guest is ready
Speaker 1: to be like I would. This is a man that
Speaker 1: I just love so much and it's so fun, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna look a lot different for most of you.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen him in a while, but he is
Speaker 1: in U CW original. He is big sal he growsigo,
Speaker 1: what's with the mask? Son? Where are you? I just
Speaker 1: I'm actually uh, I left work and I'm in between visits.
Speaker 1: I'm in between appointments today. So well, I thank you
Speaker 1: for putting up this because it's you, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you never talk to me, you don't you ignore me,
Speaker 1: gonna make I am gonna make time for friends, kept up.
Speaker 1: You put my husband over every chance you get. But
Speaker 1: when it's me, it's just like I don't even care
Speaker 1: and mirror. But I was. I was explaining to people
Speaker 1: who had you know who, who either think you're dead
Speaker 1: or just don't know, like, what's going on? How different
Speaker 1: you look? Now? I got a lot of Valpuccio heat.
Speaker 1: Did you funny? Not funny? Not funny that you know.
Speaker 1: I'm not making late of death or anything, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I can see it a little bit. Really from where
Speaker 1: he was like six foot No he was bigger than six.
Speaker 1: No he was not. Though anyhow, what do you have
Speaker 1: to come on here and argue? Can we just do
Speaker 1: you know what I thought of the other day after
Speaker 1: I spoke to you. Do you remember Sal and I
Speaker 1: were like friends like outside and I used to go
Speaker 1: to his house and hang friends outside of normal of
Speaker 1: the business, right, Like, it wasn't just I sawmn you know,
Speaker 1: we talked and we hung out and stuff. Do you
Speaker 1: remember the time when we tried to make a movie
Speaker 1: and you you were with the guys, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: the guys. Uh the the we were supposed to just
Speaker 1: do clip a clip when it took forever to do
Speaker 1: because it just nothing worked. It was fucking ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So we were trying to make like, uh, I guess
Speaker 1: it was a horror movie. It was a hard It
Speaker 1: was a horror it was it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: a clip of a horror movie. And it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be something that someone like found footage. So we
Speaker 1: wanted to make it look like found footage, like Witch
Speaker 1: project thing, right, and it just and just nothing worked
Speaker 1: out for me. It just none of it worked. The
Speaker 1: funniest is I'm sitting in a chair right. There was
Speaker 1: a movie on in the background too. We kept laughing
Speaker 1: at the stupid dialogue of the movie. But Sally is
Speaker 1: telling me, okay, like you know, I'm gonna to like
Speaker 1: be like a killer kind of thing, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and like choke you. All we needed
Speaker 1: to do is get a clip, one solid clip of it. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, he kept like he's choking me, and
Speaker 1: it's the it's like the lightest choke ever. And I'm like, so,
Speaker 1: put some energy and something. Right, He's got his hands
Speaker 1: around me. I what was I wear it? Could He
Speaker 1: kept going okay, wait, stop, no, we have to lower
Speaker 1: this a little, and he would go like this to
Speaker 1: my blass, like okay, that's better. But it was nothing.
Speaker 1: It was nothing. It wasn't anything dead, No, it was
Speaker 1: it sounds it sounds horrible like now now like saying it.
Speaker 1: It sounds terrible. We have to do you have that
Speaker 1: I wish I have, so I have I had. I
Speaker 1: had all these different stuff that like me and friends
Speaker 1: did and when we used to take alca cells and
Speaker 1: put it in our mouths and like go out in
Speaker 1: public and like just start spraying and spinning a ship
Speaker 1: all over the place. I had all these tape. When
Speaker 1: I moved from back from Kentucky back to Jersey, all
Speaker 1: the tapes disappear. Like when I say disappeared, when I
Speaker 1: say he disappeared, I mean they're gone. And I'm like, weird.
Speaker 1: The only thing I could think of, I'm like, did
Speaker 1: they get Now? This is where it gets fucking funny,
Speaker 1: because it would be great if this somewhere turned up somewhere,
Speaker 1: like I left them in the apartment in Kentucky, and
Speaker 1: like the landlord found all these just the landlord found
Speaker 1: them and opened the YouTube channel, and now they're on
Speaker 1: and we don't even know you, We don't even know
Speaker 1: random people throwing up blood or fucking spitting up Alcus
Speaker 1: elser A in a supermarket. Oh my god. I just
Speaker 1: thought of that, and I thought about all the stuff
Speaker 1: that we used to do, and I just sort of
Speaker 1: hysterical laughing. Oh my god. And before we get into
Speaker 1: like wrestling and stuff, tell everyone about the mine cup
Speaker 1: because this thing. Chad doesn't know Chad, did you do?
Speaker 1: You know? Sal? I never met Sal. I just you know,
Speaker 1: I've heard him on a different podcasts before. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like an idiot. Hey, what's up? So
Speaker 1: don't feel like an idiot, France, I'm the idiot. That's okay,
Speaker 1: it's all right. Well I did it, Okay. I was
Speaker 1: just so justsed to see you because I haven't seen
Speaker 1: your beautiful face in a very long time. So there
Speaker 1: we go. So, so chat, there was this thing called
Speaker 1: the mind cup, and I'm gonna let Sal explain it.
Speaker 1: But if you knew, you knew, and that's all I
Speaker 1: have to say. So okay, let me let me ask
Speaker 1: you question. Chad. When you were a kid and you
Speaker 1: were bored and like your mom and dad were doing
Speaker 1: something and you were stuck there with him, that was
Speaker 1: your most dangerous time as a kid because you're bored
Speaker 1: and you're gonna look for shit to do. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So that's when you become an asshole kid, and that's
Speaker 1: when you become agitated or an asshole adult. Right. It's
Speaker 1: all came from us waiting for to do promos, waiting
Speaker 1: for checks, waiting for everything. We were always stuck somewhere waiting.
Speaker 1: And my my hobby in travel used to be to
Speaker 1: collect big Gulf cups like the old just the old
Speaker 1: school of seven eleven plastic big gulf cups, and I
Speaker 1: had I had a collection, no joke. I didn't have
Speaker 1: one real glass in my house. I had nothing but
Speaker 1: big golf cups. So I had these big golf cups.
Speaker 1: And I think it was at the first time was
Speaker 1: me and I think Steve Corino, and we were sitting
Speaker 1: up in a balcony, and I want to say it
Speaker 1: was Boston, but we're sitting on a balcony just waiting
Speaker 1: again for more shit, and we saw we saw Raven
Speaker 1: walk by. I love it because I know, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: So we're sitting there and I just Steve is in
Speaker 1: front of me, and I just lean over and I
Speaker 1: start talking into the cup. You know, these people are preposterous.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't stand this I'm hearing. I have
Speaker 1: an IQ of one hundred and ninety seven. So I
Speaker 1: start talking as if I'm the voice inside of a
Speaker 1: Raven's head. So Kirino's laughing, I'm laughing, and that's how it's.
Speaker 1: It was a dumb, little, one time, stupid joke that
Speaker 1: kept going. So at point me and Steve Corino are
Speaker 1: dying and Franny comes walking in. She goes, what are
Speaker 1: you doing so we're like, just sit down. So she
Speaker 1: sits down, and everybody's coming in and out, and anybody
Speaker 1: who walked through we just had something to say about it. Well,
Speaker 1: their mind had something to say about it. And we
Speaker 1: I wrote on the side of the glass mind cup
Speaker 1: that it was the inner workings of somebody's mind. You
Speaker 1: can hear everybody's inner thoughts. So great, And when Dreamer
Speaker 1: walked in, all weys started to just play man in
Speaker 1: the box because that's all that's going through his head
Speaker 1: twenty four. That's the only thing walks in. I hate
Speaker 1: this place. That's so great. Oh my god, I never
Speaker 1: got to hear my mind. No, you were always sitting
Speaker 1: up top, were we Well? I think I planned that
Speaker 1: because I didn't want you making fun of me. So
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's got that cup. I have
Speaker 1: to But that's one of the memories, you know. There
Speaker 1: were so many positive things that came out of like
Speaker 1: our locker room, just from the banter and the friendship.
Speaker 1: And I always remember the mine cup as just making
Speaker 1: me smile. And when I when you said you would
Speaker 1: do the show, I'm like, I have to bring the
Speaker 1: mind cup up because that was so fun or the
Speaker 1: day the day Raven found out about the mine cup
Speaker 1: and he talked into a styrofoam cup. It wasn't the
Speaker 1: sick to do it. And I threw the mine cup away.
Speaker 1: I said, well, you ruined it. Yeah. I threw the
Speaker 1: plastic mindcup away in front of him and he was
Speaker 1: he just looked and he was like, it wasn't disgusted.
Speaker 1: It was so great. Do you want to talk about
Speaker 1: the past or what you're doing now? What do you
Speaker 1: want to talk about? You want to talk about? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, hey, Sal, how'd you get into wrestling? I
Speaker 1: walked into a gym and I paid a man three
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Yeah, and there you go. Who was your trainer, Sal,
Speaker 1: Johnny Rods, same as Tommy and Taz, And uh do
Speaker 1: you regret that day? No? No, you know what, there
Speaker 1: were points where I did and never and never because
Speaker 1: it was Johnny, like honestly being being a mark going
Speaker 1: into the business. Everybody is right because everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to do it. And you know, you
Speaker 1: think when you're back in the day, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: Johnny Rods and oh I remember him, he was a
Speaker 1: jobb or people say that ship and you're like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: now the time is coming past. You realize guys like
Speaker 1: that are fucking legendary because they made they made their
Speaker 1: fucking life in this business that is so uncertain. You
Speaker 1: don't know if you're gonna have your job tomorrow, right,
Speaker 1: you know, Hey, Jerry Brisco, how you doing? No great?
Speaker 1: The guy's been around forever. But like those guys have
Speaker 1: done these these these they keep their their spots because
Speaker 1: they know how to work their professionals. And I am
Speaker 1: I am never never have I been so thankful that
Speaker 1: I've worked, and that I was trained by guy, a
Speaker 1: guy like Johnny Rods and guys like and I got
Speaker 1: to meet guys like Dreamer and Taz and all those
Speaker 1: dudes who you say whatever you want about them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, socially they are probably stunted to kindergarten levels,
Speaker 1: But it's those guys. I love all of you. I
Speaker 1: love I love all No, stop it. I don't need
Speaker 1: a job anymore from any of these people, So I
Speaker 1: don't get you. Don't You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1: I don't care, no, And it's not bad. I'm not.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Here's the here's the funny part.
Speaker 1: A lot of people I've said, I've said stuff on
Speaker 1: inner views and stuff and just it's just how I feel.
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, and I'm like, come on, does
Speaker 1: anybody care anymore? Is it really a big deal anymore?
Speaker 1: Of the ship like dead? Most Yes, I don't know
Speaker 1: a lot of fans think it's real now though, Sal.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans today blurred the line
Speaker 1: of reality and uh, you know, the business so and
Speaker 1: we lost them. I guess there he is. I thought
Speaker 1: I thought I kicked you off with that. I thought
Speaker 1: I blew your mind with that statement. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's no, it's it's different. It's different today, though, Sal,
Speaker 1: because like back then, we didn't have social media. We
Speaker 1: talk about this all the time. If we did, a
Speaker 1: lot of us would be a lot of true. Oh
Speaker 1: for sakes, right, yeah, but even to the point of
Speaker 1: k fabe, like everything has changed, the business has changed.
Speaker 1: But that's what I say with this interview though. People
Speaker 1: people take what you say and run with it because
Speaker 1: they they kind of blur the line of it was
Speaker 1: real and what wasn't. So you say something like that,
Speaker 1: they go, oh my god, sALS just said, you believe
Speaker 1: that the run. But that's and here's the thing. I
Speaker 1: was in eighties. I was an eighties kid. I grew
Speaker 1: up in the eighties watching eighties wrestling, and that was
Speaker 1: that was that rule, you know what I mean. That
Speaker 1: was how it worked being in the business. Of course,
Speaker 1: you know, never meet your heroes, which learned hard way.
Speaker 1: Sorry I disappointed you. How old do you think you are?
Speaker 1: I know how old I am. I never my age, kiddo, never,
Speaker 1: uh you see you threw me off now. But like
Speaker 1: we grew up in a differentime, especially E c W.
Speaker 1: E c W kind of shrugged off the cartoon. We
Speaker 1: have our cartoon gimmicks, you know that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: and E c W shrugged it off, and guys were
Speaker 1: using their names and and you know it wasn't so much.
Speaker 1: Oh we can't be seen together, you know that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. K fabe started getting a little bit blurred
Speaker 1: now because it was disappearing. Now it's become everybody knows everything.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows, uh, you know Francine's last name. Everybody knows where,
Speaker 1: what appearance is she's gonna make. Everybody knows every fucking
Speaker 1: thing about. Oh, she had a dynological appointment because you're
Speaker 1: fucking coach with itchy. They all know. They all know
Speaker 1: because no, Number one, because your husband puts out a
Speaker 1: memo every month. No, he does not. I did I
Speaker 1: put a picture up of my knees in the in
Speaker 1: the uh, in the gimmick saying, oh, I wonder what's
Speaker 1: wrong with me today? I put a picture your knees
Speaker 1: up and that sold for six hundred dollars in Japan.
Speaker 1: That was in Japan. I'm over in Tokyo, but not
Speaker 1: to watch of the states. When like when and hall
Speaker 1: did you come into E CW For those who might
Speaker 1: not like you met the boys like through Johnny Rodds
Speaker 1: and stuff. So I trained. I trained with Devon. I
Speaker 1: trained with Tommy ninety one. I was a senior in
Speaker 1: high school ninety one, okay, yeah, and I trained with them,
Speaker 1: and that's when I started at Johnny Rods ninety one. Uh,
Speaker 1: Devon I met, you know, he came through Johnny and Soared,
Speaker 1: Tommy all those guys. And then I think it was
Speaker 1: ninety I took a break because I went to school
Speaker 1: for a year and I, you know, was trying to
Speaker 1: be normal. Yeah, and then I came back and started,
Speaker 1: you know, working indies again and just talking to Devon
Speaker 1: and he asked me, you said, hey, can you send
Speaker 1: us a tape? And here it was I kind of okay,
Speaker 1: So again I thought this was like kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit of a rib and I sent the tape,
Speaker 1: figure it would be Devon and Tommy watching this, and
Speaker 1: I sent a video clip. It was basically a promo
Speaker 1: tape of me just constantly, just and it was heatedly.
Speaker 1: It was so I was. I did it on two
Speaker 1: VCRs of me just dropping an elbow on Devon over
Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over and over
Speaker 1: and over, and meat like whipping Devon with a with
Speaker 1: a money bag that we had that we didn't Gleason.
Speaker 1: We did a show home show and Gleasons and it
Speaker 1: was just me beating the ship out of Devon and
Speaker 1: I just chopped it up and then I would add
Speaker 1: all these little video effects because I figured it'd be
Speaker 1: it's a goof, and it was just I found out
Speaker 1: Paul everybody watched him. Everybody fucking watched it. I was
Speaker 1: like God, and Paul, you know, I came. I came
Speaker 1: into Queen's actually, and I you know, brought my stuff
Speaker 1: and they were like you want to go. I said yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: and I went I did it. I did the deal
Speaker 1: with Spike and I come walking in the back and
Speaker 1: it's it was Shane Douglas. It was uh Bam bam,
Speaker 1: it was uh devon buba. Every he was there and
Speaker 1: they all had like arms fold and they all looked
Speaker 1: fucking ticked right, And I'm like, oh shit, Sane Douglas.
Speaker 1: Shane Douglas sitting there and now here I am. I'm like,
Speaker 1: and I come in the back and I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to say, and I'm just standing
Speaker 1: there like an asshole. And Shane Douglas was well, now
Speaker 1: you've done it. And I'm like, and I'm looking linking around,
Speaker 1: like what happened. Spike comes in the back. And normally,
Speaker 1: you know, Spike will come up to you and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, YadA, YadA, YadA. Spike walked in
Speaker 1: the back and he stopped because he saw everybody else.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh shit, what did I do wrong? Okay?
Speaker 1: And Shane goes, you did it. I can't believe it,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what what the fuck? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: He is, Oh, you got a job here, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, oh shit, oh shit. And then Spike, you know,
Speaker 1: thank you so much, thank you, and you know everybody,
Speaker 1: and I was like, cool, what, I have to go
Speaker 1: change my pants because how fun. Yeah. I remember when
Speaker 1: you first Yeah, when you first came in, you were
Speaker 1: like larger than life to me, like just your stature
Speaker 1: and just and the fit with the FBI. I think
Speaker 1: it worked so well for you. I like, they want
Speaker 1: to deal with me. They were they were gonna make me.
Speaker 1: Uh they put me with justin Credibles Crew long No,
Speaker 1: it was I was always in the schmas with that
Speaker 1: at the end. And then they were gonna put me
Speaker 1: with Danny and Chetty and it was gonna be Sally Nightlife,
Speaker 1: and I was all I was gonna hold a disco
Speaker 1: ball above them while they talked, while they did their promo.
Speaker 1: I think I vaguely remember this. And then Paulie came
Speaker 1: up and he goes, so, uh, sally E Garazziano, and
Speaker 1: I'm like no, like an asshole, I'm like, no, Valenti
Speaker 1: my name, and he goes and he looks at me
Speaker 1: to Gusy like you're a little idiot, look at you,
Speaker 1: You're a mora you're you're a big Idiot's good for you?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So if I think it worked, I
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved the pairing with Widow and Tony
Speaker 1: and whoever else was in that. Tracy Well, I really
Speaker 1: liked JT. Smith in there in the early days because
Speaker 1: it was just so ridiculous and it's just like, you're
Speaker 1: looking at this faction and saying so ironically of you.
Speaker 1: I was. I was, you know, getting back into indies
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I caught E c W. I guess
Speaker 1: it was maybe ninety five, might be in nineteen nine,
Speaker 1: five ninety six, and I happen to catch it on
Speaker 1: MSG late night. I was hanging out with my friends
Speaker 1: and we saw nine one one and Taz doing the
Speaker 1: deal and I'm like, and I watched him, like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is this? That's what everybody says. Katy's came
Speaker 1: out and they were doing the bit and I said,
Speaker 1: I go, oh my god, what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 1: And I laughed about it, and I remember saying, I'm like, huh,
Speaker 1: that ain't gonna last. Really. Yeah. I remember thinking the show,
Speaker 1: the show, and I'm like, because I liked so here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Anything I like goes away very quickly if
Speaker 1: I have If they have a new flavor of coffee somewhere,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I love this shit, they discontinue it
Speaker 1: that week. If I like the show, they're like cool,
Speaker 1: ratings pulled and I yeah. So when I saw this,
Speaker 1: I remember thinking going, this is really cool. It looks
Speaker 1: like fucking handycams and you know, like walking around like
Speaker 1: handheld chemis is cool. I like this, and I remember going,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna last now. And then ironically, a friend
Speaker 1: of mine when I when I got the job, a
Speaker 1: friend of mine was like, do you remember we were
Speaker 1: in your fucking basement watching this, And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah, so it's funny how life, you know.
Speaker 1: And then to go ahead and meet people that I've
Speaker 1: already I knew from high school, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like people who like don't don't lived in our area.
Speaker 1: Me and her knew each other from passing, and people
Speaker 1: never come to find out I did a show with
Speaker 1: Ben Hamene. Yeah, I did a show with him, and
Speaker 1: come to find out, Greek god Papa Don used to
Speaker 1: live in Rosedale in my neighborhood, so we never knew
Speaker 1: he was in my brother's grade. He was in the
Speaker 1: same school at p S. One thirty eight. We all
Speaker 1: want the same like, it's just so fucking weird that
Speaker 1: through the business, all the people that lived right with
Speaker 1: each other, we never knew. Do you consider it the
Speaker 1: best time of your career? Of my career starts. I've
Speaker 1: never I've never talked to somebody from ECW who says
Speaker 1: that it wasn't that they had more fun in like
Speaker 1: another fed or somewhere else. And you know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's because we're all fucked up. It's because
Speaker 1: we're all fucked up, and we all I like to
Speaker 1: think it's because we're all friends and we all had
Speaker 1: a good time, But why are we friends because we're
Speaker 1: all fucked up all we all gravitated to each other.
Speaker 1: It's the land of misfit toys. Okay, some of us
Speaker 1: more than others. We just have to state that because
Speaker 1: you know some of us wear well. It depends on
Speaker 1: what you thought, what you're talking about. We all Okay,
Speaker 1: So here's here's the thing. We all were fucked up
Speaker 1: in some way or another. Some guys it was drugs,
Speaker 1: some guys it was sex. Some guys or girls. It
Speaker 1: was a thousand other things, but we were all fucked up,
Speaker 1: and that was the thing. The thing was, we didn't
Speaker 1: want to be anywhere else, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like we all we all were happy being there because
Speaker 1: we were all accepted with each other. Okay, it's it's
Speaker 1: nice that you mentioned that, because I tell a story
Speaker 1: on here. I've told a story. Rather when I got
Speaker 1: offered to jump to WWF, and it was early, or
Speaker 1: I was with I think I was with the Pimples.
Speaker 1: It was very early, and I was so comfortable with
Speaker 1: ECW and so green, and I was I was number one.
Speaker 1: I was afraid, but for the most part, I loved
Speaker 1: everybody in the locker room, and I didn't want to go,
Speaker 1: no matter how much money they were going to offer me.
Speaker 1: I stayed making peanuts because this was my home and
Speaker 1: this is where I wanted to be. If you got
Speaker 1: a call, maybe you did. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: wanted to pull you. Do you think you would have
Speaker 1: left or so you got an offer it was it
Speaker 1: wasn't WWE, but yeah, w CW. And then I just
Speaker 1: tell us, here's the other thing too, A little inside baseball.
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't know what to do at this point,
Speaker 1: so I guess I had an agent come to me,
Speaker 1: and uh, he was like, oh, you know, I want
Speaker 1: to I want to do movies and this and that.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, cool man, I'm down. But then he
Speaker 1: wanted to get more involved in wrestling. He was more
Speaker 1: of an entertainment agent. He wanted to get involved in wrestling,
Speaker 1: so he wanted to get his foot in the door
Speaker 1: that way, and he's like, oh, we can do this,
Speaker 1: we could do this, we can do that, we can
Speaker 1: do all kinds of things. And I didn't want to because,
Speaker 1: like I number one, I was still I was like
Speaker 1: a couple of a year in at ecw okay, And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I don't I don't want to
Speaker 1: leave here number one, and I don't want to rock
Speaker 1: the boat that I'm here. So at that point, you know,
Speaker 1: I wound up. I went separate ways with the agent
Speaker 1: because I'm like, we just want two different things. You
Speaker 1: want to get in and I don't want to bring
Speaker 1: you in here because it's not my place. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. I'm still green here. So did
Speaker 1: he want to get into maybe be in the business
Speaker 1: or did he want to get in to use other
Speaker 1: talent for all the talents he went on to work
Speaker 1: with a couple of guys, like a couple of big names,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, no issue with him, I have
Speaker 1: no heat. But it was just at the time, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to go anywhere. I didn't want to I
Speaker 1: didn't want things to change. You know, great, Yeah, if
Speaker 1: they were offered more money, i'd been like, yes, please,
Speaker 1: but I still like, I just I didn't want to leave.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to change what I was doing. What
Speaker 1: is the w c W story. Well, that's that's more
Speaker 1: or less the story that so this agent came from
Speaker 1: Atlanta and he knew, he knew people, he had, he
Speaker 1: had an end, he had some people that he was
Speaker 1: talking to, YadA, YadA, YadA, and I just I decided
Speaker 1: not to go. I was like, no, I'm not interested
Speaker 1: in that. He's like, no, but it could be more money,
Speaker 1: it'll be more less traveled. I said no, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Oh okay. So yeah, so we don't really know what
Speaker 1: the offer was. Well, here's that's the thing. This isn't
Speaker 1: a I'm not gonna I just don't want to like
Speaker 1: throw out his name because like I said, but again,
Speaker 1: like it was, it was offered to me to do
Speaker 1: this and i'll we can get you in, and I
Speaker 1: didn't want to because also I think there's I think
Speaker 1: and again, I don't want to make this a fucking
Speaker 1: deep show on psychology. Psychology, No you can, because that
Speaker 1: was the theme of our patriots. You missed that. I
Speaker 1: actually cried my eyes out earlier and that's why we
Speaker 1: made it okay with therapy. So we all, I think
Speaker 1: we all have some of us have a self sabotage
Speaker 1: thing where we don't want to We didn't want to
Speaker 1: put ourselves out there. Like if somebody would have came
Speaker 1: and said we're going to put you in a WWE
Speaker 1: as the champ top top shelf ship, people would be like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'd love that. There's a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: with that because you don't know if you're going to
Speaker 1: keep that job for more than a week. So again,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. If I'm good where I am,
Speaker 1: I can build on what I'm doing here. I liked
Speaker 1: being a big fish in a small pond. I like
Speaker 1: that a lot rather than being in deep waters and
Speaker 1: not knowing my way around, and uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: fish nickname never stuck with you, thankfully. Thankfully, yes, but
Speaker 1: now that's interesting. I didn't know about the the w
Speaker 1: c W things, so see you heard it here. First
Speaker 1: I deliver this exclusive as always, tell everybody what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Now I'm working Actually I went back to a company
Speaker 1: that I was working with a while back, actually last
Speaker 1: time we were together, and I did I did an
Speaker 1: interview with Bill after Yeah, and uh, I'm working back
Speaker 1: with special needs adults who are working in the community
Speaker 1: and I job coached them. God forbid. Okay, you're the coach,
Speaker 1: dare you're you're sitting there a big sale locks in
Speaker 1: as your coach. Do you use the mind cup? Do
Speaker 1: you let them see? I can go in? And it's
Speaker 1: funny because I go in and I'm very like I'm
Speaker 1: trying try to be I try to be casual with them,
Speaker 1: with with my guys, and they just they just are all.
Speaker 1: I'll come in, so how are we doing to and
Speaker 1: the guys like today fucking sucks like whoa, whoa, whoa? Easy,
Speaker 1: don't filter. It's wonderful, great job though you're you're doing.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I got such a jump
Speaker 1: on working with developmental disability disabled people from working in
Speaker 1: easy w I got. I'll be honest, you're an idiot.
Speaker 1: I do love yell, but you're an idiot. Are you
Speaker 1: still doing the thing over on Versu's network? Do you
Speaker 1: want to plug that? We do The Conspiracy Horseman, and
Speaker 1: then we have The Hardy, which is my show, me
Speaker 1: and my friend Chuck and our friend Cat. We we
Speaker 1: review awful, awful horror movies. I love it, video games,
Speaker 1: we cover all of it. Everything in the horror business.
Speaker 1: We try. And it started out kind of as a
Speaker 1: let's let's do this, like you want to do it, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Then we just started doing it and
Speaker 1: Ben was like, well put it on the network. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: We've made it a full show out of it. Now
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, uh, okay, so I can I
Speaker 1: get let me just arout. I guess say. The Conspiracy
Speaker 1: Horseman is is great. I mean, there's there's no two
Speaker 1: ways around it. I mean that you want to talk
Speaker 1: about some topics that come by that can really mess
Speaker 1: with the old noodle and get you thinking. It's it's
Speaker 1: always fun to get the four different takes that you
Speaker 1: guys have. We just had Richard Gage On, one of
Speaker 1: the architects for he has the you know, he follows
Speaker 1: Get the Truth of nine to eleven, and he has
Speaker 1: all the scientific facts and all these issues that people ignore.
Speaker 1: So he came. He was he was a great guest.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I thought it was going to be
Speaker 1: really stiff and stodgy, and I was like, I wasn't
Speaker 1: kind of looking forward to it. I was worried. He
Speaker 1: got on. My man was he was ready to go.
Speaker 1: He took his jacket off. He threatened Stevie his jacket off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he pulled his jacket off the end of the show,
Speaker 1: and we're like, anytime you want to go, and he
Speaker 1: goes right now, he took his jacket off, and he
Speaker 1: goes and I'll go right after that guy on the
Speaker 1: right lower hand corner. And it was so we just
Speaker 1: Richard Gage wants to punch Stevie Richards right in the face.
Speaker 1: I pay to see that. I pay a dollar for
Speaker 1: that match. That would be good. So if they want
Speaker 1: to see you, they go to the Russo Network and
Speaker 1: you got a couple of and then Hamin Media Network
Speaker 1: where the hard junk yard. So we got and we
Speaker 1: got some more stuff coming up. We're gonna be maybe
Speaker 1: going to more conventions once, I hope. So I hope
Speaker 1: to see you next year. I'm not doing anything this
Speaker 1: year just because this year it was a shit show.
Speaker 1: Well you know, a little little thing here and there
Speaker 1: is happening out there if you didn't hear about it.
Speaker 1: But hopefully twenty twenty one we can get the gang
Speaker 1: back together and get that mine cup flowing again. I
Speaker 1: would enjoy that. So, you know, I kind of I
Speaker 1: kind of miss you. I'm trying to who was it?
Speaker 1: Somebody was Somebody sent me the video of after You
Speaker 1: and You and Beautiful Billy doing an interview, and I
Speaker 1: kept walking through. He kept coming through and trying to
Speaker 1: like interrupt, and I just kept going said, would you
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here, Like here's a thing.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Now, you've you, you
Speaker 1: were there, you've seen it. At any point, did it
Speaker 1: seem like I have heat with you? Oh? Well, I
Speaker 1: think Bill thought, I think we're such good workers, that Bill,
Speaker 1: because somebody sent me the video of the link and
Speaker 1: they're like, I didn't realize you had heat with Franny,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait, when I watched the video I'm like,
Speaker 1: how do you get a heat out of that? I'm like,
Speaker 1: if any thing, like, just what is it? We were
Speaker 1: just kidding around with each other. That's what I'm saying people,
Speaker 1: because people don't know the dynamic between you and I are,
Speaker 1: between anybody in that locker room, Like we could go
Speaker 1: on social media and have a fake fight and and
Speaker 1: they'll believe it. And then we're texting each other, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, do you do you believe that they're falling
Speaker 1: for this? I mean that convention, I walked by, Uh
Speaker 1: there was a group around RVD and I walked by
Speaker 1: and I showed it him right, and I showed him
Speaker 1: and he walked and he went out and I got
Speaker 1: move your fucking arm and I just kept walking right
Speaker 1: and he stopped and he looked. Somebody caught a picture
Speaker 1: of him doing this like yeah, and it's like and
Speaker 1: then he turned around and he's like, oh, hey, Johns,
Speaker 1: how's up. And I'm like hey, but I'm like how
Speaker 1: he's going? And so we started. But they they completely
Speaker 1: didn't take those pictures. They got the picture of me
Speaker 1: fucking bumping him and him turning like this and give
Speaker 1: him the fucking look. And I'm like it's great because
Speaker 1: they want to stir stuff up. Everybody's like, that's what
Speaker 1: we were saying earlier. You always hear of negative things
Speaker 1: because people love controversy. People don't put over the positive
Speaker 1: enough in life, and it's it's unfortunate. But I mean,
Speaker 1: we're workers. We're workers until we die. We can work anyone,
Speaker 1: so that's that's just in our blood. That's how it is.
Speaker 1: I hate your guts. I never want you on my
Speaker 1: show again. It was a pleasure to have him. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be so mean to him, jeez, I
Speaker 1: thought it was such a pleasure to have him on.
Speaker 1: The biggest asshole I've ever met in my life is
Speaker 1: right there on the screen. But seriously, I have not
Speaker 1: talked to you. What do you say. I thought you
Speaker 1: were talking about measurements of assholes, and I said, I
Speaker 1: know a girl who has a way bigger asshole. Oh my,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. But it was actually
Speaker 1: why we'll talk about that later, But this was fine.
Speaker 1: This is I love getting the boys on and going
Speaker 1: down memory lane. So I'm glad you find came on
Speaker 1: because I've only been after you for I don't know
Speaker 1: months now, yea, she said that, and then this will
Speaker 1: be this will be the uh ah, you're never around. Hey,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What? I can't do it today?
Speaker 1: How about me? Did I not invite you and your
Speaker 1: wife to my house right after you got married? Yes?
Speaker 1: How long have you been married? Bad memories? How long
Speaker 1: have you been there? Dude? I try not to remember.
Speaker 1: How long have you been married? Hang on? So ten, twelve, thirteen,
Speaker 1: seven years, seven years, seven years ago, I say to sale,
Speaker 1: come over, have dinner with me and my family seven years,
Speaker 1: seven years ago. I might be getting out by now. Well, nanks,
Speaker 1: stickhead anyway, offer still stands if you want to come
Speaker 1: over after the pandemic. Okay, whatever, we'll keep in touch.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on? Oh where can people find you?
Speaker 1: You don't tweet? No, I don't. I'm off Facebook. Don't tweet.
Speaker 1: You're the worst Instagram things. You're not good. You're not
Speaker 1: good with the social media media. Fu everybody on it. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: fuck you and thanks for coming on and love you,
Speaker 1: and uh but we will wait. I got plugs. I
Speaker 1: do have to okay, go ahead. So, and I'm terrible.
Speaker 1: I's it's like I if I did not have the
Speaker 1: guys with me on the show. I would never put
Speaker 1: my own ship over, so I don't remember it. That's
Speaker 1: why social media is important. The hard junk Yard at
Speaker 1: ProtonMail dot com. That's how you can get us in
Speaker 1: the hard junk yard. I have a phone number. It's
Speaker 1: a hot line. You can call us, but I don't
Speaker 1: remember it right now. So that's a great perk. You
Speaker 1: can't remember. It's the worst mean media network you can
Speaker 1: look on there. You can get the Horsemen, you can
Speaker 1: get all of our shows. You're on the Russo Network.
Speaker 1: No I'm not. I'm off of the network. What you do?
Speaker 1: I pulled myself why because I have a Patreon and
Speaker 1: people were getting confused. Why do I have to go
Speaker 1: on Russo's Patreon when I'm on your patreon. They couldn't
Speaker 1: hear my podcast. Oh, so I said, this isn't helping Vince.
Speaker 1: I gotta go. Yeah, I'm I'm to be honest, like
Speaker 1: everybody's involved in the Vince Russo, Vince Russo brand stuff.
Speaker 1: And Vince is another guy I knew back from Johnny
Speaker 1: Rod's days when he's down a video store. Right. He
Speaker 1: discussed that on my show as well. In his video
Speaker 1: store yes, all right, soal well, get on get on Twitter,
Speaker 1: get us live on Twitch, Conspiracy Horsemen with twitch tv,
Speaker 1: backslash Conspiracy Horseman something like that, and then hard junk
Speaker 1: Yard we do. We don't do it live but after
Speaker 1: on Wednesdays, uh my producer Chuck, we do uh it again.
Speaker 1: It's twitch TV, twitch tv dot com, backslash hard Yard,
Speaker 1: and we do love video game streaming, so we funk
Speaker 1: off there and just make fun of people. Awesome. Well,
Speaker 1: when this comes out, we will promote your stuff because
Speaker 1: you don't, so I will, and I will help you
Speaker 1: have other people that do it, they want to do it. Well,
Speaker 1: I got people good. Okay, you're good, You're You're awesome.
Speaker 1: Glad to see you. Keep in touch, dad, it was
Speaker 1: very nice meeting you. Tell your lovely husband. I will
Speaker 1: speak to him soon. He will speak to you soon.
Speaker 1: Talks more than him than he does to me. Thanks
Speaker 1: a lot, all right, love, Good to see you, big jerk,
Speaker 1: And there goes big So I got that in or
Speaker 1: not so big? Soal, I mean, he's not as big
Speaker 1: as he used to be. No, and that's why I
Speaker 1: said a lot of people probably won't recognize him. He
Speaker 1: lost a ton of weight. So he walks into conventions
Speaker 1: and like, everybody's like, who is that guy? Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh that's big sales grows on you. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: for our people. I mean, we talked about Sal a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when we talked about the Scott
Speaker 1: hall An e CW we talked about Sal. Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's an old old dear friends of mine and one
Speaker 1: of the people I keep in touch with. But I
Speaker 1: haven't really seen him, you know, we see each other
Speaker 1: at conventions, but tried to get him the comfort dinner
Speaker 1: and lazy. I love the story though about the mine cup,
Speaker 1: Like that's the cool shit I like to hear about backstage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd rather hear that shit all day long than foods dropped.
Speaker 1: Toe Hold was better than the other guy. We we
Speaker 1: did so many things with the mine cups in different towns,
Speaker 1: like that cop was all over the place. It was
Speaker 1: just it was such a such fun just you know,
Speaker 1: keeping ourselves busy and yeah, very nice. Yeah. Well, you know, look,
Speaker 1: this week is gonna be loaded. We'll just run it
Speaker 1: down really quick what you're going to be seeing for
Speaker 1: the rest of the week on Patreon. Here the first
Speaker 1: we're gonna kick it off tomorrow. We have a very
Speaker 1: funny topic, just a little little thought I had about cameo,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about different cameo profiles and people
Speaker 1: who call themselves certain things on there, and it's it's
Speaker 1: a very funny, you know, back and forth. I could
Speaker 1: say that, then we're gonna go get real deep, real
Speaker 1: freaking deep, like if franccene revealed in the interview with
Speaker 1: sal there she gets a little emotional and there's some
Speaker 1: some mind blowing questions that we have no choice, but
Speaker 1: we have to pick this up again because there was
Speaker 1: so many and it was even though it was a
Speaker 1: little little Craig Cray was it was interesting to answer
Speaker 1: some of these. Yeah, yeah, but you like going deep
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes. And then of course for the watch along,
Speaker 1: we close it out the art of the entrance. We
Speaker 1: talked about him before. We see him on every match
Speaker 1: and every whatever, but we look at a couple of
Speaker 1: them and we kind of see the differences between them,
Speaker 1: and and Francine gives a little insight into, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe some of the psychology of entrances and how much
Speaker 1: they really play a part in the in the outcome
Speaker 1: and the match itself. So yeah, it's impact interesting, interesting
Speaker 1: to look at quite indubitably. Yeah, but I mean, you know,
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