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Speaker 1: shadow people to hat man angels, to aliens and a
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Speaker 1: shadow Folks dot com. It all goes to the same place,
Speaker 1: and tell me your story, tell me what is going
Speaker 1: on out there. Do not hesitate to give every little
Speaker 1: fine detail about it, because what do we like here?
Speaker 1: The most details. I mean, honestly, the longer the better.
Speaker 1: It helps to paint a picture and then we can
Speaker 1: see connections because that is my specialty. Honestly, I love
Speaker 1: getting down to it and like comparing contrasting with what
Speaker 1: it is that I know I've seen over the years,
Speaker 1: and having been in this paranormal world for a very
Speaker 1: long time, and to be the first person to ever
Speaker 1: discover name, define and yes, trademark to paranormal phenomenon, I
Speaker 1: think I have been pretty efficient and helping to break
Speaker 1: some of the stuff down that I run into. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a it's been an interesting time. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you that emails keep pouring in and you guys are
Speaker 1: reaching out on social media like bonkers, which is awesome.
Speaker 1: I love chatting with people, and you know, sometimes it
Speaker 1: takes me a while to get back to people. I
Speaker 1: do my best, um, but I really enjoy engaging and
Speaker 1: trying to be of help the most to people when
Speaker 1: they when they need the help, because I I just
Speaker 1: don't know, um what I personally would have done if
Speaker 1: I didn't have my siblings and whatnot to bounce things
Speaker 1: off from when odd things were going on. So you guys,
Speaker 1: I'm here for you, and I'm trying to get others
Speaker 1: to be there for you too. So I've got a
Speaker 1: couple of groups online I want you to check out.
Speaker 1: So Numero Uno is called Shadow People and hat Man
Speaker 1: Experiencer on Facebook. Go there, join me, chatted up, enjoy
Speaker 1: yourselves and uh, you know, support each other, support each
Speaker 1: other and if you have questions, send it on over
Speaker 1: to me. Of course, I still I'm I'm active in
Speaker 1: there when I can be. And then also Paranormal Pledge.
Speaker 1: Paranormal Pledge what is that, Well, that's where I try
Speaker 1: to get people to just speak on anything out of
Speaker 1: the ordinary, just like, don't keep it to yourselves. This
Speaker 1: is not the time for that. Okay, it's time to speak.
Speaker 1: I saw ufo, I saw an angel, I had a
Speaker 1: near death experience. It's for anything out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you can talk about shadow people and stuff
Speaker 1: there too, but everything is allowed, okay, um, so go
Speaker 1: there and join me there too. We got some active
Speaker 1: chats going on in there too, and it's a it's
Speaker 1: never boring, no, I guess what, guys, guess what today is? Today?
Speaker 1: Like every other show, it's my favorite show. This is
Speaker 1: where I have the outlandish corner? What is the outlantish corner? Well,
Speaker 1: of course I'm answering your emails. I love talking to
Speaker 1: my guests that I have on the program too, So
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I don't enjoy that, but
Speaker 1: I more enjoy answering the comments of questions and getting
Speaker 1: through what it is that's going on out there, because
Speaker 1: it's just I am always surprised, and I really like
Speaker 1: randomly grab at the emails that come in as well,
Speaker 1: And uh, I just am always surprised, you know, when
Speaker 1: things kind of link or they have some kind of
Speaker 1: theme going so and I'll just grab from different dates,
Speaker 1: sometimes years, because my email must have been monitored by something.
Speaker 1: And I got like a dump of really old emails
Speaker 1: sent to me. I don't know how that happened, but hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going through them. So yeah, I'm I'm seeing here.
Speaker 1: Uh And I'll tell you one of these emails when
Speaker 1: I copy pasted it and threw it into a document
Speaker 1: just before I'm recording here, right and and I saw
Speaker 1: a quick question and I addressed it, okay, So I
Speaker 1: don't want to make it seem like a cheat. It.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while I'll get a glimpse and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hold it, I can, oh, let me help
Speaker 1: this person out real quick. So I do do that
Speaker 1: at times, but usually I'm cold turkey, cold turkey right here. Um,
Speaker 1: you know what I gotta tell you guys too, By
Speaker 1: the way, follow me on the social media at one,
Speaker 1: Heidi hollis. Okay, so put a one in front of
Speaker 1: my name for TikTok Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. All right there,
Speaker 1: all right, there, there we go, all right, I got
Speaker 1: it in. I don't know where I'm at. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I see a giant email, I'm a giant one. And
Speaker 1: I got a couple of small ones. Now I'm going
Speaker 1: to hit the small one that I know what it's about.
Speaker 1: This one says hello, Heidi Hollis. Well, that's very really formal. Um,
Speaker 1: could you please tell me how I can buy your books?
Speaker 1: I live outside the US in Ukraine because of the war.
Speaker 1: I cannot buy your works. I saw that they are
Speaker 1: sort of sold on the American platform Amazon. If I
Speaker 1: am not mistaken, but I do not know how to
Speaker 1: buy anything there. Can you please help me if there
Speaker 1: is such a possibility. And then there's like a really
Speaker 1: difficult like artsy words that I think I'd have to
Speaker 1: be an artistist be able to write it. It's really yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's Ukrainian. Um, yeah, yes. And what I did
Speaker 1: is I actually responded quickly back to this person because
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think I've had anybody from
Speaker 1: the Ukraine contact me before. So I'm like, well, how
Speaker 1: do I do this? I mean, sometimes I get people
Speaker 1: that will reach out and say, hey, Heidi, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't even hear your podcast? How do I do that? Well?
Speaker 1: I just sit there and I google stuff to something
Speaker 1: works and and I'm like, you know what, just google
Speaker 1: dark becomes light. With Heidi Hollis and see where it
Speaker 1: plays because it's on so many different platforms. All right,
Speaker 1: so I kind of do the same thing here. And
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of countries have an Amazon and
Speaker 1: um but I couldn't find it for Ukraine. But I
Speaker 1: did find something called Ukraine dash Express dot com and
Speaker 1: this is where deliveries of things that are on American
Speaker 1: Amazon will be sent to the Ukraine. And uh I
Speaker 1: was like, well, that's pretty darn amazing. I love that
Speaker 1: because you know, in a ward war to Orange country
Speaker 1: such as Ukraine right now, it's it's difficult to get
Speaker 1: a lot of things going on over there. And uh
Speaker 1: so yeah, So I hope that was helpful for you.
Speaker 1: And that came from Andrew, So thank you Andrew for
Speaker 1: reaching out. Um. You know, I've been on quite a
Speaker 1: few television shows as of late, and unfortunately they don't
Speaker 1: allow you to name them. Mm hmm. There's some that
Speaker 1: don't allow you to do that, so I can't name them.
Speaker 1: But yes, if you thought you saw me on a
Speaker 1: couple of shows just recently, you are correct. One I'm
Speaker 1: on several episodes and and another I'm on a single episode.
Speaker 1: So at the same time, so yeah, that's that's been fun.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate you guys that have been reaching out
Speaker 1: wondering why I haven't spoke about it. It's because of that,
Speaker 1: um yep, to to It's just just is what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, you think free advertisement, right, it
Speaker 1: doesn't always happen with certain programs, but you know, what
Speaker 1: can you do? Uh? So any who, let's let's continue here.
Speaker 1: I've got another short email, UM do do do do?
Speaker 1: All right, so this one says, dear hiding, that's me.
Speaker 1: I used to have regular encounters with shadow people that
Speaker 1: would usually come by when I had sleep paralysis. I
Speaker 1: get irritated when I hear that word, those two words
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis, because again, that wasn't a thing until oh gosh,
Speaker 1: this heidy person has been out there speaking about it
Speaker 1: to the world. I sure have. Uh. Then they're like, well,
Speaker 1: we gotta explain this away. Oh, let's just say everything
Speaker 1: is sleep paralysis, that little odd thing that was in
Speaker 1: the back of my medical book while I was in college.
Speaker 1: That was like, you know, it just happened so rarely,
Speaker 1: you know, now it's a big thing. All right. Anyways, Okay,
Speaker 1: said to continue, Sometimes accompanied oh, I ain't going to
Speaker 1: read that part I didn't expect. I'll leave that to
Speaker 1: your imagination with sometimes accompanied by something uh, and would
Speaker 1: stand over me until I was able to move my
Speaker 1: right arm away and cast them out in the name
Speaker 1: of Christ. Okay, you guys, did you catch that? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna gonna skim over it again because I
Speaker 1: was goofing. Um. So they used two regularly have encounters
Speaker 1: with shadow people and that would come by during quote
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis and sometimes accompanied by a certain type of dream,
Speaker 1: and would stand over this person until they were able
Speaker 1: to move their right arm and cast it away in
Speaker 1: the name of Jesus Christ. Amen, there we go. Um.
Speaker 1: I lightened up heavily on religion since then and have
Speaker 1: had no encounters for fifteen years. Oh, okay, we're not
Speaker 1: sink in. Huh. Do they no longer come by because
Speaker 1: they don't see me as a threat where I am
Speaker 1: not as religious anymore? Or do you think the fact
Speaker 1: that I kept casting them out and name of Christ
Speaker 1: scared them away? Oh? Oh, you guys, raise your hand
Speaker 1: if you knew what I'm gonna say, just raise your hand. Um.
Speaker 1: This is this is a really nice set of questions here,
Speaker 1: Todd Um, thank you for writing. UM. I think this
Speaker 1: is this is going to be slightly um involved and uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna dig a little bit deeper on
Speaker 1: this after the break because yeah, that that that's um,
Speaker 1: that's something that I like to tap into under the
Speaker 1: bit and um and I think it's an ongoing theme
Speaker 1: on different levels for people that listen to this program.
Speaker 1: I think I think I think we all kind of
Speaker 1: got this understanding, like why with something challenge one person
Speaker 1: less or more for another and uh, oh it gets
Speaker 1: it gets complicated, all right, you guys. Um, yeah, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna revisit this and dive deeper after
Speaker 1: the break and uh yeah, and I see a giant
Speaker 1: email here that you guys probably gonna dig big use
Speaker 1: I don't know what's in it, all right, you guys.
Speaker 1: You are listening too Dark to Complate with me, Hey Hollis,
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to
Speaker 1: Dark to Comes Light with me, Idy Hollis on the
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio it Coast to covet AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
Speaker 1: Just before the break, Sorry to drag it out there.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, if I dive in right now,
Speaker 1: this is going to really get all that stuff. So
Speaker 1: I kind of drunk it out. I admit it. I
Speaker 1: hate when people do that, but sorry, I did it.
Speaker 1: I did it. Confession. Oh man, all right. So just
Speaker 1: for the break, guys, we got an email here from
Speaker 1: Todd and he used to be regularly attacked according to
Speaker 1: this short but really endpth email. Um, it has a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of heart for myself because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want to hit this. I want to hit it.
Speaker 1: So I had a lot of like encounters, right and
Speaker 1: then they're just like, you know, constantly casting it out
Speaker 1: in the name of Jesus, go away, you know. And
Speaker 1: then they kind of stopped with and they said religion.
Speaker 1: They stopped with it, like just kind of lightened the
Speaker 1: load of it. And then the encounters with these shadow
Speaker 1: people stopped after having it regularly for a long time,
Speaker 1: and then no encounters for fifteen years. So they're just like, okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, why did this happen? Like did
Speaker 1: they no longer come because this person isn't a threat
Speaker 1: anymore because they're not religious. Or you know, do I
Speaker 1: think and they're asking, do you think the fact that
Speaker 1: I kept casting them out in the name of Christ
Speaker 1: scared them away? Okay, so we could be reasonable, we
Speaker 1: could say both, right, we could say that, we could
Speaker 1: say that. But the thing is that you noted here.
Speaker 1: You did not say after this last time I cast
Speaker 1: them out in the name of Jesus, like I think
Speaker 1: that one was just special and so they stopped coming.
Speaker 1: But you did this on the regular to make them
Speaker 1: them go away, right, So it's it's not like this
Speaker 1: is your regular, every day sprinkling of some Jesus on
Speaker 1: it um. So, but you know, and it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of one of those things like, well, why wouldn't it
Speaker 1: leave always when you just say it once? You know
Speaker 1: Jesus name go. You know, there's a thing called protection
Speaker 1: that you need to build up around yourself too, because yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll leave when you say it. But it's it's it's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't know why it's there always, We
Speaker 1: don't know why it's attached, we don't know why it's lingering.
Speaker 1: We don't know, and so unless you kind of uh
Speaker 1: bless the area and clear it out, it could keep coming. Back.
Speaker 1: So it's it's important to keep keep that that wall
Speaker 1: of protection up. But but you mentioned how you stepped
Speaker 1: away from your religious beliefs. I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. Sometimes people get angry with God. Okay,
Speaker 1: A lot of us do. Okay, I put myself in there.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I think it's a very human feeling.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know, you get angry that
Speaker 1: you burned your tongue on something. It's like we all
Speaker 1: get angry, right, are disappointed? Um you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: just it's very very human and apparently on the cross
Speaker 1: and Jesus says, you know, Father, why you're forsaken me?
Speaker 1: He felt abandoned, right, Um So even he was disappointed,
Speaker 1: even he questioned and doubted a little bit. They're like,
Speaker 1: hold on, you know what's going on here. That's my
Speaker 1: understanding anyway. Um A lot of people might say no, no, never,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, that's that's my understanding. Um
Speaker 1: So I think that I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I stepped away from it. But
Speaker 1: you stepped away, and you know a lot of people
Speaker 1: did during some of the crises that was seen in
Speaker 1: some of the churches, especially in the Catholic religion. A
Speaker 1: lot of people were really let down by those who
Speaker 1: you know, looked down their nose at at them and
Speaker 1: they were doing the worst. So um, you know, I
Speaker 1: know people that were thrown out of the church because
Speaker 1: they got a divorce, uh, you know, things like that.
Speaker 1: So it's um, yeah, I mean I can imagine. It's like,
Speaker 1: hold it, my whole life was disrupted and they were
Speaker 1: doing this. You know, Oh, I am not going to
Speaker 1: believe in this religious stuff. Now there goes that keyword.
Speaker 1: You put the word religion in here. Religion. Faith is
Speaker 1: a different thing, Okay. Religion is that organized thing, right,
Speaker 1: It's like a matter of having to follow this belief system, right, um, traditions, rituals,
Speaker 1: even um. You know. And so when I hear religion,
Speaker 1: I think of this construct that makes me think of
Speaker 1: how I had to sit still at church on these
Speaker 1: hard wooden pews that hurt and it would make my
Speaker 1: my legs squeak because I had a dress on. Um.
Speaker 1: So I mean it's that restricted space and it felt
Speaker 1: so formal. So um, so you itightened up on that,
Speaker 1: or did you lighten up on your faith or was
Speaker 1: it both? I am leaning towards both because you noticed
Speaker 1: something changed, Like, I wonder what it was like for you.
Speaker 1: You're asleeping and you're like no shadow people. I just
Speaker 1: kind of put aside my religious beliefs and stopped going
Speaker 1: to church or stop praying or got angry at God
Speaker 1: because somebody died or something horrible happened. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: so you have to notice in so, did something change
Speaker 1: inside of you? Did you notice that, you know, rock
Speaker 1: on devil? I don't know, Like, yeah, I'm all good
Speaker 1: with us now, I'm just kidding. But it's like something
Speaker 1: there's something that you notice and that you're asking this
Speaker 1: question that you're feeling the way that you're feeling, like,
Speaker 1: is it because of this? Do I need to get
Speaker 1: right with this again? Do I need to start going
Speaker 1: to the building down the street to be okay? Um?
Speaker 1: You know, And I'll tell you when it comes to churches,
Speaker 1: they serve a great purpose, they really do. They helped
Speaker 1: teach the belief the faith right and traditions and rituals
Speaker 1: and whatnot. I don't know how else we get the
Speaker 1: word if we don't have them to reach out and
Speaker 1: to inform and take the time to learn, you know
Speaker 1: about it. Um. But for myself, as a kid growing up,
Speaker 1: I did go to church, but after that I did not.
Speaker 1: But am I Christian? Oh yes, for sure, Um, But
Speaker 1: I think that there is a way of expressing our
Speaker 1: beliefs to be okay outside of a building, you know.
Speaker 1: But I understand the congregational needs and coming together. It's
Speaker 1: a wonderful thing. It's a beautiful thing. Is that one necessary?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Is it awesome when it clicks? Heck? Yes,
Speaker 1: you know. I've gone to church over the years here
Speaker 1: and there, but nothing really consistent. But the community, the smiles,
Speaker 1: the love. I mean, somebody once expressed or noted, uh
Speaker 1: that the different faiths, the three big ones, have these
Speaker 1: certain characteristics that are seen from an observational point of view,
Speaker 1: and uh to say, like, you know, the religious faith
Speaker 1: of those who are Jewish, they have a lot of
Speaker 1: traditions and and things that get passed along. And the
Speaker 1: Muslim faith they have various rules and uh do what's
Speaker 1: expected of them. And then there's the Christian faith that
Speaker 1: we're just all about love and love your neighbor and
Speaker 1: love love love. It's interesting, right, and you know, so
Speaker 1: we we've got these basis of our faiths and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of people like, well, that's
Speaker 1: just too brief to say that's all it is. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that that's all there is
Speaker 1: to you know, the other faith or even the Christian faith.
Speaker 1: I'm not aiming to insult anyone, but I'm just saying that, Uh,
Speaker 1: when we think of our faiths, our religions, what comes
Speaker 1: to mind that makes us feel we have to be
Speaker 1: right there in the nook of it to be able
Speaker 1: to get it, you know. I mean you're asking, did
Speaker 1: I somehow get defeated? And so I wasn't a challenge
Speaker 1: or a threat any longer to these things to keep
Speaker 1: trying to take advantage of me, these shadow people, and
Speaker 1: you know what that you're even questioning that makes me
Speaker 1: a little bit concerned because I always say trust your gut,
Speaker 1: and apparently your gut is thinking about it, like where
Speaker 1: did your heart go when you stepped away from it?
Speaker 1: What made you suddenly change? You know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: did you just not have time on Sundays or did
Speaker 1: you just stop reading the Bible? I don't know what
Speaker 1: what it means for you to be religious. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: I always think of those types of things and you know,
Speaker 1: the things to practices that people do to show their
Speaker 1: part of a religion. Um. So yeah, I mean, what
Speaker 1: what was it? What was it? Does it feel like
Speaker 1: you took away something of your faith when you stepped
Speaker 1: away from whatever your practice was to show your religion now? Um,
Speaker 1: and if there is a little step down, yes, there
Speaker 1: is a possibility that these things saw an opportunity. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say. Uh. I find a lot of
Speaker 1: people that have no faith do get approached by these things, um,
Speaker 1: until they you know, break down even more so. But
Speaker 1: then you're asking also, I mean, it's it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of complicated. I understand it's complicated as I'm speaking it out,
Speaker 1: but you're asking also, do you feel like you cast
Speaker 1: it out? Again? I don't think so, because it's something
Speaker 1: you always did, like I would stay there until you've
Speaker 1: got your hand free and said in Jesus name, go away.
Speaker 1: So I'm leaning towards like, well, this person dropped in
Speaker 1: their faith maybe and so they saw like you know,
Speaker 1: easy sailing right here, because you noticed a big difference,
Speaker 1: a big change with their approach with you right, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing. A big difference, not in fifteen years,
Speaker 1: because right then is when you stepped away from your
Speaker 1: religious beliefs. So I am thinking that, um, yeah, you
Speaker 1: might be best to look back into it. Are they
Speaker 1: darkly influencing you? I don't know. Potentially that sounds horrible,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. But I mean we get influenced all the time.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like I love popcorn and when I
Speaker 1: see a commercial, I want to go get it, even
Speaker 1: though I usually have some already. But you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So we're easily influenced, like did it did
Speaker 1: it conquer something? Do you feel something? Contemplate that? You know?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a few more things about that after
Speaker 1: the break before you get to the big email. All right,
Speaker 1: you guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with
Speaker 1: Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast
Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be
Speaker 1: right back. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes
Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis Annie I Heart Radio, Coast
Speaker 1: to Coast a AM paranormal podcast network. I hope I
Speaker 1: made sense on that last segment. You know, sometime every
Speaker 1: time they think it could be complicated. Because I am
Speaker 1: such a fan of people's own guts. I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a psychic in the world, and I know some
Speaker 1: of the best, if not one of the best, uh,
Speaker 1: that can say that your gut is wrong. I mean
Speaker 1: this person taught that wrote me. It feels like there's
Speaker 1: something that must have happened that must have taken place
Speaker 1: for these things to step aside. Did they just get
Speaker 1: tired of him saying and Jesus name go away? Um?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because it sounds like this was
Speaker 1: happening pretty regularly. Yeah, Jesus could do anything, you know,
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't say absolutely no because I don't know everything. Uh,
Speaker 1: but this for this person to have stepped forward and said,
Speaker 1: you know, I had this pretty regularly, and then that's
Speaker 1: about when I stopped really you know, having that edge
Speaker 1: and thing, and uh, it's like, hold on, they don't
Speaker 1: have an interest in me anymore. You know. I get
Speaker 1: a lot of people nine times out of ten pretty
Speaker 1: close anyways. Uh. People are are are talented or insightful
Speaker 1: and gifted where these beings get attracted to people and
Speaker 1: They aim to break people down. They aim to shake
Speaker 1: their faith that you know, going to weaken the needs
Speaker 1: to doubt themselves. Um, I don't think you doubted yourself, Todd.
Speaker 1: I don't think you did, because you use the name
Speaker 1: of Jesus on this thing, right and uh, but you
Speaker 1: started doubting your faith somehow. It seems to be you've
Speaker 1: noted it. Um, And I'm just kind of picking it apart.
Speaker 1: So I hope that makes sense for you, Todd and
Speaker 1: everybody else that's listening. It's like if you're having the
Speaker 1: battles battles all the time with shadow people and you're like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I am not going to go and do this prayer
Speaker 1: thing anymore. I'm not gonna and sending shadow people stop
Speaker 1: coming to the door. Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say
Speaker 1: something's something's up, Like they're like, well, we can put
Speaker 1: our efforts someplace else. And I have to tell you
Speaker 1: this too. When these shadow beings put a lot of
Speaker 1: effort into somebody, it's because they are quite the prize,
Speaker 1: quite the prize, And um, why did they stop? Why
Speaker 1: did they stop? Work is hard? Did they win? Maybe? Maybe?
Speaker 1: And we don't like maybe, so be certain tighten up
Speaker 1: those beliefs a little bit there, Todd, and uh, your
Speaker 1: battles might begin again. But guess what. You can always
Speaker 1: go to my group on Facebook, Shadow People, hat Man Experiencer,
Speaker 1: or my books Secret War hat and the hat Man Books,
Speaker 1: both of them to you how to get rid of
Speaker 1: these things. And if you send me an email, I
Speaker 1: will always send it to you as well. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: and how to clear out your space. Okay, So this
Speaker 1: giant email or is it or is it there? It is? Okay,
Speaker 1: I got it here, I got it here alright, this
Speaker 1: one says dear Heidie again. That is me. When I
Speaker 1: was almost three years old, my family moved from Michigan
Speaker 1: to Kentucky because my dad had purchased a convenience store
Speaker 1: in Lexington. Some people might think this is b s
Speaker 1: because I would have been too young to remember, but
Speaker 1: oddly enough, I remember a lot of things from my childhood,
Speaker 1: even at the time, and I was about to turn
Speaker 1: three years old. I'm telling you, I get emails from
Speaker 1: people who recall being in their baby bed, their baby crib,
Speaker 1: and I'm always amazed by these memories because I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: who can remember that far back? I could barely remember
Speaker 1: what I had for dinner. I decided to think of
Speaker 1: it just now, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember yesterday's on never mine. Okay. So continuing,
Speaker 1: when we got to Kentucky, we moved into a town
Speaker 1: house outside of Lexington. It was a two bedroom townhouse,
Speaker 1: with my older brother and myself sharing a room with
Speaker 1: two twin sized beds. Alrighty. After living there for a
Speaker 1: short period of time, my brother and I had went
Speaker 1: to bed one night and I recall vividly that I
Speaker 1: was not able to fall asleep. We had a window
Speaker 1: mounted air conditioning unit and in our room, so it
Speaker 1: had just kicked on as I was looking at it,
Speaker 1: looking at it, Okay, Both of our beds were against
Speaker 1: the wall on each side of the room, and our
Speaker 1: feet were pointed towards the side of the room that
Speaker 1: had the door for the entry and a closet. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get it in my head, okay, alright, alright, Um.
Speaker 1: As I was hearing the air conditioning unit kick on,
Speaker 1: I looked a bit to the left and there was
Speaker 1: an at least eight foot tall, dark shadow man wearing
Speaker 1: a top hat standing in front of the closet door.
Speaker 1: Goose bumps. Anybody eight ft tall? Eight feet tall, that's humongous.
Speaker 1: So for a three year old, well, I'm sure as
Speaker 1: you grew older you're able to better judge how tall
Speaker 1: this thing was. Um okay, So continuing, ikey, everybody absolutely EAPs. Okay.
Speaker 1: It looked like it was wearing a long black cloak.
Speaker 1: It at a completely black face with no features and
Speaker 1: a black top hat. He stood there for a couple
Speaker 1: of seconds. I don't care how many times I hear
Speaker 1: about these guys. I'm very visual, very visual when I
Speaker 1: read these things. I watched the movie in my head
Speaker 1: of it, and um, I've learned it's called synaesthesia, and
Speaker 1: I just see this happening. So yeah, synesthesia. What is synesthesia? Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's not amnesia. Synesthesia's like a crossing of your
Speaker 1: senses and where some people like might hear music or
Speaker 1: something and they see colors dancing in the air. Where
Speaker 1: I hear stories and people telling me things and I
Speaker 1: see it playing out. It's so goose bumps. Okay. Anyways,
Speaker 1: that was a long explicitanation for Okay. He stood there
Speaker 1: for a couple of seconds, and I remember feeling totally
Speaker 1: frozen in fear, and all of a sudden he was
Speaker 1: sitting on the side of my small, uh twin size bed,
Speaker 1: staring down at me. Really he moves quick, guys, this
Speaker 1: is so typical of him. Against his face and it
Speaker 1: had no features. Okay again I think they mean again
Speaker 1: his face had no features. I do not prove frea
Speaker 1: these Okay, I'm sounding it out as I go along.
Speaker 1: So again his face had no features and was completely black.
Speaker 1: As I laid there, completely frozen, he did not make
Speaker 1: a move, but just sat there staring at me. At
Speaker 1: some point I must have fallen asleep, and when I
Speaker 1: woke up, he was gone. M hm. The next night
Speaker 1: when we went to bed, I had kind of forgotten
Speaker 1: about it and was too young to really rationalize what
Speaker 1: I saw. Hold on here, but the fear, that fear, guy,
Speaker 1: I mean, hold on you, guys. This is this is
Speaker 1: a trump. I've had people who are like a toddler.
Speaker 1: This is this is a toddler three years old. I
Speaker 1: mean that's little. Uh it just turned three years old.
Speaker 1: This kid and the fear that gets instilled in a child,
Speaker 1: it's so pure and so innocent. Like I had a
Speaker 1: guy right me I believe they thought they were still
Speaker 1: like one and a half years old or something, and
Speaker 1: to have hat Man step in the room and look
Speaker 1: in their baby crib and this telepathic message was given
Speaker 1: to him that if you cry, I'm going to kill you.
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Hat Man can instill in a
Speaker 1: baby that it's going to die, It's gonna ceased to exist.
Speaker 1: Imagine that being that young and being able to interpret
Speaker 1: that goes to show our souls are multilayered, right to
Speaker 1: be able to observe and let it sink in, like
Speaker 1: what is death? You know? If you sit down to
Speaker 1: try to explain to a child, well, you know, like
Speaker 1: I was a kid lost my mother. What do you
Speaker 1: mean Mom's not coming home? You know, like that concept
Speaker 1: was like, well, because she's with God. I'm like, God
Speaker 1: kidnapped my mother. I mean, kids, it's so difficult to
Speaker 1: explain something sometimes, you know, and it's like that it
Speaker 1: just doesn't sink in. And in an instant here we
Speaker 1: have this person saying that they were fearful right but
Speaker 1: later on could really rationalize it, but new to have fear,
Speaker 1: and that it was strange it didn't have a face.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of kind of rationalizing some of this myself here, but
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I had another person that wrote that had, um,
Speaker 1: there was an absolute baby being bottle fed and saw
Speaker 1: hat man and had the fear struck right in them.
Speaker 1: I mean, just unbelievable, unbelievable. Okay, So continuing where was I? Okay,
Speaker 1: could not rationalize what I saw. I didn't mention anything
Speaker 1: to my parents either. I mean, imagine that's a three
Speaker 1: year old. It's a three year old. It's like, did
Speaker 1: I tell my parents? I guess not. Um. So, as
Speaker 1: I lay there trying to fall asleep, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: suddenly he was there again, standing in front of the closet,
Speaker 1: and then suddenly sitting on the side of my bed
Speaker 1: staring down at me again. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Okay,
Speaker 1: I got chills. I got chills. I just I mean, you, guys,
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen something move and normally quick as
Speaker 1: these things do, you just don't know how easy it
Speaker 1: is to question reality. It is freaky disturbing. And when
Speaker 1: you think of these things being another dimension of a
Speaker 1: sort where they can distort things where we're moving kind
Speaker 1: of slow because I've had out of body experiences in
Speaker 1: this place moves very so loud, and for these things
Speaker 1: to go skipping along the way they do it is
Speaker 1: really freaky. Um. All right, I gotta continue this after
Speaker 1: the break because it's getting dark again. All right, you guys,
Speaker 1: you're listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Hidie Alice
Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coach they
Speaker 1: am You're a normal podcast network. H welcome back. You
Speaker 1: are listening to Dark to Comes Light with me, Heidi
Speaker 1: Hollis Bunny, I aren't Radio and Coast to Coast they
Speaker 1: am paranormal podcast network. Oh boy, this is for the break.
Speaker 1: We were in the midst of a very large email.
Speaker 1: And uh it's disturbing hat Man going after a toddler
Speaker 1: once again, very popular victim of choice for him. Nothing
Speaker 1: out of the ordinary, nothing to see here, except it
Speaker 1: enrages me every single time when I hear about this.
Speaker 1: What a way to start off your life. Huh. Oh
Speaker 1: the double page I visit. Oh it makes me angry.
Speaker 1: All right, So, um, before I go off into my rants,
Speaker 1: let's finish this email, all right. Um, So hat Man
Speaker 1: has returned again. Besides the bed of this three year old.
Speaker 1: What's the name John? John? Okay, So again hat me
Speaker 1: shows up and uh again frozen in fear, of course,
Speaker 1: but I didn't get the feeling that this thing wanted
Speaker 1: to harm me. Oh boy, This pattern continued, You guys,
Speaker 1: listen to this night after night until it got to
Speaker 1: the point where I was no longer afraid of this thing.
Speaker 1: It would sit on my bed and stare at me,
Speaker 1: and I would stare back. Oh, some conditioning that's going
Speaker 1: on here, Some conditioning, all right, I recall no longer
Speaker 1: being fearful and even somewhat relaxed, as I had gotten
Speaker 1: used to him coming. You hear this conditioning. Shortly before
Speaker 1: I turned five years old, my parents decided to move
Speaker 1: back to Michigan. The neighborhood my dad's store was in
Speaker 1: had gotten really bad, and my dad didn't feel safe
Speaker 1: and no longer running the store, so he sold it.
Speaker 1: When we left back to Michigan, I no longer saw
Speaker 1: the figure and never really told anyone about it. Moving
Speaker 1: forward a few years to the time I was around
Speaker 1: nine years old and we had just moved into a
Speaker 1: new house. I was playing hide and seek with my
Speaker 1: brother and cousin, and I hid in my parents closet.
Speaker 1: Why is it the closet? Why is that always the closet? Okay,
Speaker 1: As I was sitting down at the bottom of the closet,
Speaker 1: a completely black hand, Oh I got chills, which appeared
Speaker 1: to be wearing a black glove. Hand reached down from
Speaker 1: in between the clothes. This is a nightmare. It was
Speaker 1: a nightmare that we're hanging and just way saved high
Speaker 1: like wiggling its fingers. Oh gosh, I am you guys.
Speaker 1: It started. The chill started on the tops of my
Speaker 1: thighs this time, and it spread from my shoulders out
Speaker 1: like I had wings. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like describing where my chill come from, and that's
Speaker 1: where they went. Okay, I was immediate lee, just fascinate. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold then I was immediately just fascinated and had the
Speaker 1: overwhelming feeling that this hand belonged to the hat entity
Speaker 1: and that he was just checking in on me. After that,
Speaker 1: I never saw him again. Who fast forward about twenty
Speaker 1: five years and I suddenly started thinking about these incidences,
Speaker 1: and I decided to just look online to see if
Speaker 1: anyone had experienced anything similar. My jaw almost hit the
Speaker 1: floor when I saw that hat Man as they call him,
Speaker 1: is a commonly seen shadow figure. Wrong that is reported
Speaker 1: all around the world. Yeah, but wrong, Okay, Um, I
Speaker 1: mean I have to explain that a second. I had
Speaker 1: no idea and just thought it was a unique experience.
Speaker 1: But I was blown back to see all the content.
Speaker 1: Sometimes hat Man will just have a brimmed hat, while
Speaker 1: others report him wearing a top hat, just like I saw.
Speaker 1: Most people tend to think it's a demonic figure that
Speaker 1: means harm, but I never got the feeling that he
Speaker 1: wanted to harm me at all. Some say what happened
Speaker 1: is just sleep paralysis, but why would people all see
Speaker 1: the same thing? To this day, I have no doubt
Speaker 1: about what I saw, and to me, this is real
Speaker 1: John oh boy. Uh yeah, you know it's all interesting.
Speaker 1: You know when you start a conversation on something and uh,
Speaker 1: everybody's around the world saying, oh, guess what it does,
Speaker 1: says it does that this is actually the pattern. Um.
Speaker 1: You know. I took a long time to come forward
Speaker 1: to share exactly what he was and what he was doing,
Speaker 1: because he was so horrific and he was causing a
Speaker 1: lot of have it to people that I know personally
Speaker 1: that I had to take steps back and prepare people
Speaker 1: around me because I was going to talk about him.
Speaker 1: And that's how much of a disruption he is in
Speaker 1: people's lives. Um, he wasn't messing with me. He was
Speaker 1: messing with those around me, the people that would like
Speaker 1: serve as a protective barrier so I don't feel isolated.
Speaker 1: So I don't get, you know, in this this desperate
Speaker 1: mode or something where I had nobody to vent too.
Speaker 1: So he was going after them, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, I have to tell my friends and family
Speaker 1: and co workers even um, hey guys, I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the devil. That's what you gotta do to protect yourself.
Speaker 1: So I could take my steps forward. And he is
Speaker 1: not a shadow person. When I first introduced shadow people
Speaker 1: and the hat man phenomenon, I initially called him the
Speaker 1: hat man shadow and it took me a couple of years.
Speaker 1: I had to backtrack a bit. I'm like, he's something different, okay,
Speaker 1: because he controls the other beings. He is the head
Speaker 1: honcho to them, okay, and he could step out from
Speaker 1: the shadows and be absolutely solid. That is uh something
Speaker 1: that I've been talking about for years. It came from me,
Speaker 1: started for me, always is me. Anybody else talking about it,
Speaker 1: that's where they got it from. Um, that's not gonna
Speaker 1: tell you because it's just been there's been so many
Speaker 1: distortions out there on the content and what I've been
Speaker 1: doing for so long, and to have somebody pop along,
Speaker 1: Oh guess what, I'm a genius. No, no, this is
Speaker 1: not new. I've been talking about this from the start.
Speaker 1: That he is solid, he wears clothes, uh, he has skin,
Speaker 1: He could see him clearly, and yeah, he could step
Speaker 1: into the shadows just like a human could and kind
Speaker 1: of blend in, though he can step in through dimensions.
Speaker 1: So he's a little bit better at that game. But
Speaker 1: here we have this guy who felt like, oh it's
Speaker 1: not so bad. You know. Hat man conditions children to
Speaker 1: get used to him, so he can you know, wave hello,
Speaker 1: check on his uh, his his uh, how can I say,
Speaker 1: his protege, his student, and making sure he's on the
Speaker 1: path be used to my energy because I'm going to
Speaker 1: be visiting and trying to control you later. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he is something that is not not to be
Speaker 1: taken lightly. And you know, I'm sad to hear that
Speaker 1: this person felt like, well, he felt somebody I could
Speaker 1: rely upon, you know, to be there. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he conditioned you to do that. You're fearful. You
Speaker 1: you had that automatic reaction to have fear until it
Speaker 1: went away because he kept conditioning you to get used
Speaker 1: to his presence. I hope that makes sense to you
Speaker 1: because that's what took place. He lets you get used
Speaker 1: to letting your guard down with him around, and it's
Speaker 1: a it's a terrible, terrible thing to have happened, because
Speaker 1: then he gets a little bit closer, a little bit closer.
Speaker 1: I've had people tell me they fell in love with
Speaker 1: him as a child because he was comforting, because their
Speaker 1: parents might not have been comforting. Who knows why. They
Speaker 1: were dependent more on that presence too. So he was
Speaker 1: that shoulder to lean on. He was always there. Uh
Speaker 1: so yeah, and um so yeah, hat man, where's a
Speaker 1: burn hat? Sometimes? Sometimes he wears no hat. Sometimes he
Speaker 1: wears a cowboy hat sometimes. I mean he really mixes
Speaker 1: it up. He doesn't even always wear black. Uh huh,
Speaker 1: he mixes that up as well. And yeah, is he
Speaker 1: a demon? He is? And you know, guys, here is
Speaker 1: a perfect example of somebody which I get probably once
Speaker 1: a week of a person saying I thought it was
Speaker 1: the only one, because I've heard from a lot of
Speaker 1: people that say randomly, you know, oh, maybe maybe you're
Speaker 1: creating this phenomena because you're telling people about it. No, No,
Speaker 1: it's the other way around. People are experiencing these things
Speaker 1: years years ago before I spoke. They just didn't know
Speaker 1: what it was. And why am I the person to
Speaker 1: speak on it. Well, that's a big, long, juicy story. Uh.
Speaker 1: People think I got this information independent of anything, But
Speaker 1: I'm telling you some people here, like myself, we can
Speaker 1: remember before we were born. We can remember why we
Speaker 1: came here. And I'm one of those people. I remember
Speaker 1: before I came here without hypnosis, but through something really
Speaker 1: odd and unique that I haven't come across personally by
Speaker 1: other people except for some who are like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: me too. Yeah, I've had that happen with something I
Speaker 1: regret sharing. Oh gosh, people are something else. Just to
Speaker 1: speak brief, I shared, Uh, military abduction I had that
Speaker 1: was quite unique, and I'm like, I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you this in private. I really don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it too much. Next time I spoke to that
Speaker 1: person after like a year. Do you know I had
Speaker 1: this really unique military abduction. What it was my story
Speaker 1: being repeated back to me. Yeah, yeah, it happens. Uh
Speaker 1: So again here we are, guys, Um, but where was I?
Speaker 1: So this person is asking, you know, why are all
Speaker 1: people seeing the same thing. It's because it's not sleep paralysis.
Speaker 1: There's actually something going on and hat Man is actually
Speaker 1: the devil, so demon of all demons. Uh so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hope that this was helpful for you, John, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for writing me and for sharing that,
Speaker 1: because man, it's it's horrible out there, guys, a lot
Speaker 1: of things that are going on, and people are getting
Speaker 1: fooled by this hat Man and people wonder why it's
Speaker 1: going on. It's because he conditions people sometimes. All Right,
Speaker 1: you guys, don't forget to go to my main website,
Speaker 1: which is Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com.
Speaker 1: Tell me your stories and follow me on Instagram, Twitter,
Speaker 1: Facebook at one Heidi Hollis and reach out. You know,
Speaker 1: don't don't forget that we're all pulling for each other
Speaker 1: in this world and helping each other out is what
Speaker 1: it's all about. And showing a little love and sprinkling
Speaker 1: some Jesus on it to keep these negative things away.
Speaker 1: How's that I always learned something new, and I hope
Speaker 1: you guys do too. All Right, you guys, we've come
Speaker 1: to the bottom of another fabulous program. You have been
Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Like with me Annie Hollis on
Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.
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