1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: opinions only and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast AM employees of premier networks, 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. You are listening to Dark Becomes Lights 14 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: with Me Heidi Hollis, Cossie, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast. Hey, 15 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: am para normal podcast network. Welcome to my show. Remember 16 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: each week that's the place you go to when you 17 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: want to hear the latest and what's happening in your 18 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: neighbor's home. When it comes to anything of ordinary, from 19 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: shadow people to hat man angels, to aliens and a 20 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: bigfoot as drunk snowballs at your children. Yeah, it's all here. 21 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: Extract where it came from. But yeah, this is the 22 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: place because I always welcome you, the listener, to be 23 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: a part of the show. And how can you be 24 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: part of it? Well, you send in your emails to 25 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot com or 26 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: shadow Folks dot com. It all goes to the same place, 27 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: and tell me your story, tell me what is going 28 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: on out there. Do not hesitate to give every little 29 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: fine detail about it, because what do we like here? 30 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: The most details. I mean, honestly, the longer the better. 31 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: It helps to paint a picture and then we can 32 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: see connections because that is my specialty. Honestly, I love 33 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: getting down to it and like comparing contrasting with what 34 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: it is that I know I've seen over the years, 35 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: and having been in this paranormal world for a very 36 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: long time, and to be the first person to ever 37 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: discover name, define and yes, trademark to paranormal phenomenon, I 38 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: think I have been pretty efficient and helping to break 39 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: some of the stuff down that I run into. But yeah, 40 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: it's been a it's been an interesting time. I'm telling 41 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: you that emails keep pouring in and you guys are 42 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: reaching out on social media like bonkers, which is awesome. 43 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: I love chatting with people, and you know, sometimes it 44 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: takes me a while to get back to people. I 45 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: do my best, um, but I really enjoy engaging and 46 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: trying to be of help the most to people when 47 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: they when they need the help, because I I just 48 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: don't know, um what I personally would have done if 49 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: I didn't have my siblings and whatnot to bounce things 50 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: off from when odd things were going on. So you guys, 51 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm here for you, and I'm trying to get others 52 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: to be there for you too. So I've got a 53 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: couple of groups online I want you to check out. 54 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: So Numero Uno is called Shadow People and hat Man 55 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: Experiencer on Facebook. Go there, join me, chatted up, enjoy 56 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: yourselves and uh, you know, support each other, support each 57 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: other and if you have questions, send it on over 58 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: to me. Of course, I still I'm I'm active in 59 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: there when I can be. And then also Paranormal Pledge. 60 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: Paranormal Pledge what is that, Well, that's where I try 61 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: to get people to just speak on anything out of 62 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: the ordinary, just like, don't keep it to yourselves. This 63 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: is not the time for that. Okay, it's time to speak. 64 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: I saw ufo, I saw an angel, I had a 65 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: near death experience. It's for anything out of the ordinary. 66 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, you can talk about shadow people and stuff 67 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: there too, but everything is allowed, okay, um, so go 68 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: there and join me there too. We got some active 69 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: chats going on in there too, and it's a it's 70 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: never boring, no, I guess what, guys, guess what today is? Today? 71 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: Like every other show, it's my favorite show. This is 72 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: where I have the outlandish corner? What is the outlantish corner? Well, 73 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: of course I'm answering your emails. I love talking to 74 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: my guests that I have on the program too, So 75 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to say I don't enjoy that, but 76 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: I more enjoy answering the comments of questions and getting 77 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: through what it is that's going on out there, because 78 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: it's just I am always surprised, and I really like 79 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: randomly grab at the emails that come in as well, 80 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: And uh, I just am always surprised, you know, when 81 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: things kind of link or they have some kind of 82 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: theme going so and I'll just grab from different dates, 83 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: sometimes years, because my email must have been monitored by something. 84 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: And I got like a dump of really old emails 85 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: sent to me. I don't know how that happened, but hey, 86 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: I'm going through them. So yeah, I'm I'm seeing here. 87 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: Uh And I'll tell you one of these emails when 88 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: I copy pasted it and threw it into a document 89 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: just before I'm recording here, right and and I saw 90 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: a quick question and I addressed it, okay, So I 91 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: don't want to make it seem like a cheat. It. 92 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: Every once in a while I'll get a glimpse and 93 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, hold it, I can, oh, let me help 94 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: this person out real quick. So I do do that 95 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: at times, but usually I'm cold turkey, cold turkey right here. Um, 96 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: you know what I gotta tell you guys too, By 97 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: the way, follow me on the social media at one, 98 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: Heidi hollis. Okay, so put a one in front of 99 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: my name for TikTok Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. All right there, 100 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: all right, there, there we go, all right, I got 101 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: it in. I don't know where I'm at. Okay, Okay, 102 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: I see a giant email, I'm a giant one. And 103 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: I got a couple of small ones. Now I'm going 104 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: to hit the small one that I know what it's about. 105 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: This one says hello, Heidi Hollis. Well, that's very really formal. Um, 106 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: could you please tell me how I can buy your books? 107 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: I live outside the US in Ukraine because of the war. 108 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: I cannot buy your works. I saw that they are 109 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: sort of sold on the American platform Amazon. If I 110 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: am not mistaken, but I do not know how to 111 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: buy anything there. Can you please help me if there 112 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: is such a possibility. And then there's like a really 113 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: difficult like artsy words that I think I'd have to 114 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: be an artistist be able to write it. It's really yeah, 115 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: but that's Ukrainian. Um, yeah, yes. And what I did 116 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: is I actually responded quickly back to this person because 117 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think I've had anybody from 118 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: the Ukraine contact me before. So I'm like, well, how 119 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: do I do this? I mean, sometimes I get people 120 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: that will reach out and say, hey, Heidi, uh, you know, 121 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: I can't even hear your podcast? How do I do that? Well? 122 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: I just sit there and I google stuff to something 123 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: works and and I'm like, you know what, just google 124 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: dark becomes light. With Heidi Hollis and see where it 125 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: plays because it's on so many different platforms. All right, 126 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: so I kind of do the same thing here. And 127 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of countries have an Amazon and 128 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: um but I couldn't find it for Ukraine. But I 129 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: did find something called Ukraine dash Express dot com and 130 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: this is where deliveries of things that are on American 131 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: Amazon will be sent to the Ukraine. And uh I 132 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: was like, well, that's pretty darn amazing. I love that 133 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: because you know, in a ward war to Orange country 134 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: such as Ukraine right now, it's it's difficult to get 135 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: a lot of things going on over there. And uh 136 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: so yeah, So I hope that was helpful for you. 137 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: And that came from Andrew, So thank you Andrew for 138 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: reaching out. Um. You know, I've been on quite a 139 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: few television shows as of late, and unfortunately they don't 140 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: allow you to name them. Mm hmm. There's some that 141 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: don't allow you to do that, so I can't name them. 142 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: But yes, if you thought you saw me on a 143 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: couple of shows just recently, you are correct. One I'm 144 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: on several episodes and and another I'm on a single episode. 145 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: So at the same time, so yeah, that's that's been fun. 146 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: And I appreciate you guys that have been reaching out 147 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: wondering why I haven't spoke about it. It's because of that, 148 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: um yep, to to It's just just is what it is. 149 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, you think free advertisement, right, it 150 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: doesn't always happen with certain programs, but you know, what 151 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: can you do? Uh? So any who, let's let's continue here. 152 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: I've got another short email, UM do do do do? 153 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: All right, so this one says, dear hiding, that's me. 154 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: I used to have regular encounters with shadow people that 155 00:09:54,240 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: would usually come by when I had sleep paralysis. I 156 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: get irritated when I hear that word, those two words 157 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis, because again, that wasn't a thing until oh gosh, 158 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 1: this heidy person has been out there speaking about it 159 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: to the world. I sure have. Uh. Then they're like, well, 160 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: we gotta explain this away. Oh, let's just say everything 161 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: is sleep paralysis, that little odd thing that was in 162 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: the back of my medical book while I was in college. 163 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: That was like, you know, it just happened so rarely, 164 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, now it's a big thing. All right. Anyways, Okay, 165 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,599 Speaker 1: said to continue, Sometimes accompanied oh, I ain't going to 166 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: read that part I didn't expect. I'll leave that to 167 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: your imagination with sometimes accompanied by something uh, and would 168 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: stand over me until I was able to move my 169 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: right arm away and cast them out in the name 170 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: of Christ. Okay, you guys, did you catch that? Okay, 171 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna gonna skim over it again because I 172 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: was goofing. Um. So they used two regularly have encounters 173 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: with shadow people and that would come by during quote 174 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: sleep paralysis and sometimes accompanied by a certain type of dream, 175 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: and would stand over this person until they were able 176 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: to move their right arm and cast it away in 177 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: the name of Jesus Christ. Amen, there we go. Um. 178 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: I lightened up heavily on religion since then and have 179 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: had no encounters for fifteen years. Oh, okay, we're not 180 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: sink in. Huh. Do they no longer come by because 181 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: they don't see me as a threat where I am 182 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: not as religious anymore? Or do you think the fact 183 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: that I kept casting them out and name of Christ 184 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: scared them away? Oh? Oh, you guys, raise your hand 185 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: if you knew what I'm gonna say, just raise your hand. Um. 186 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: This is this is a really nice set of questions here, 187 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: Todd Um, thank you for writing. UM. I think this 188 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: is this is going to be slightly um involved and uh, 189 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna dig a little bit deeper on 190 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: this after the break because yeah, that that that's um, 191 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: that's something that I like to tap into under the 192 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: bit and um and I think it's an ongoing theme 193 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: on different levels for people that listen to this program. 194 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: I think I think I think we all kind of 195 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: got this understanding, like why with something challenge one person 196 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: less or more for another and uh, oh it gets 197 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: it gets complicated, all right, you guys. Um, yeah, so 198 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna revisit this and dive deeper after 199 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: the break and uh yeah, and I see a giant 200 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: email here that you guys probably gonna dig big use 201 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what's in it, all right, you guys. 202 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: You are listening too Dark to Complate with me, Hey Hollis, 203 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 204 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to 205 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: Dark to Comes Light with me, Idy Hollis on the 206 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio it Coast to covet AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 207 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: Just before the break, Sorry to drag it out there. 208 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: I was like, man, if I dive in right now, 209 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: this is going to really get all that stuff. So 210 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: I kind of drunk it out. I admit it. I 211 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: hate when people do that, but sorry, I did it. 212 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: I did it. Confession. Oh man, all right. So just 213 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: for the break, guys, we got an email here from 214 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: Todd and he used to be regularly attacked according to 215 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: this short but really endpth email. Um, it has a 216 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of heart for myself because I'm like, 217 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: I want to hit this. I want to hit it. 218 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: So I had a lot of like encounters, right and 219 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: then they're just like, you know, constantly casting it out 220 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: in the name of Jesus, go away, you know. And 221 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: then they kind of stopped with and they said religion. 222 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: They stopped with it, like just kind of lightened the 223 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: load of it. And then the encounters with these shadow 224 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: people stopped after having it regularly for a long time, 225 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: and then no encounters for fifteen years. So they're just like, okay, 226 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, why did this happen? Like did 227 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: they no longer come because this person isn't a threat 228 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: anymore because they're not religious. Or you know, do I 229 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: think and they're asking, do you think the fact that 230 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: I kept casting them out in the name of Christ 231 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: scared them away? Okay, so we could be reasonable, we 232 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: could say both, right, we could say that, we could 233 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: say that. But the thing is that you noted here. 234 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: You did not say after this last time I cast 235 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: them out in the name of Jesus, like I think 236 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: that one was just special and so they stopped coming. 237 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: But you did this on the regular to make them 238 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: them go away, right, So it's it's not like this 239 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: is your regular, every day sprinkling of some Jesus on 240 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: it um. So, but you know, and it's it's kind 241 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: of one of those things like, well, why wouldn't it 242 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: leave always when you just say it once? You know 243 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: Jesus name go. You know, there's a thing called protection 244 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: that you need to build up around yourself too, because yeah, 245 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,479 Speaker 1: it'll leave when you say it. But it's it's it's interesting, 246 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, we don't know why it's there always, We 247 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: don't know why it's attached, we don't know why it's lingering. 248 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: We don't know, and so unless you kind of uh 249 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: bless the area and clear it out, it could keep coming. Back. 250 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: So it's it's important to keep keep that that wall 251 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: of protection up. But but you mentioned how you stepped 252 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: away from your religious beliefs. I don't know why. I 253 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: don't know why. Sometimes people get angry with God. Okay, 254 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: A lot of us do. Okay, I put myself in there. 255 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I think it's a very human feeling. 256 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, you know, you get angry that 257 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: you burned your tongue on something. It's like we all 258 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: get angry, right, are disappointed? Um you know, it's it's 259 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: just it's very very human and apparently on the cross 260 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: and Jesus says, you know, Father, why you're forsaken me? 261 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: He felt abandoned, right, Um So even he was disappointed, 262 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: even he questioned and doubted a little bit. They're like, 263 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: hold on, you know what's going on here. That's my 264 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: understanding anyway. Um A lot of people might say no, no, never, 265 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, that's that's my understanding. Um 266 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,479 Speaker 1: So I think that I don't know. I don't know. 267 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: I don't know why I stepped away from it. But 268 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: you stepped away, and you know a lot of people 269 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: did during some of the crises that was seen in 270 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: some of the churches, especially in the Catholic religion. A 271 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: lot of people were really let down by those who 272 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: you know, looked down their nose at at them and 273 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: they were doing the worst. So um, you know, I 274 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: know people that were thrown out of the church because 275 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: they got a divorce, uh, you know, things like that. 276 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: So it's um, yeah, I mean I can imagine. It's like, 277 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: hold it, my whole life was disrupted and they were 278 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: doing this. You know, Oh, I am not going to 279 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: believe in this religious stuff. Now there goes that keyword. 280 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: You put the word religion in here. Religion. Faith is 281 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: a different thing, Okay. Religion is that organized thing, right, 282 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: It's like a matter of having to follow this belief system, right, um, traditions, rituals, 283 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: even um. You know. And so when I hear religion, 284 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: I think of this construct that makes me think of 285 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: how I had to sit still at church on these 286 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: hard wooden pews that hurt and it would make my 287 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: my legs squeak because I had a dress on. Um. 288 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: So I mean it's that restricted space and it felt 289 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: so formal. So um, so you itightened up on that, 290 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: or did you lighten up on your faith or was 291 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: it both? I am leaning towards both because you noticed 292 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: something changed, Like, I wonder what it was like for you. 293 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: You're asleeping and you're like no shadow people. I just 294 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: kind of put aside my religious beliefs and stopped going 295 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: to church or stop praying or got angry at God 296 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: because somebody died or something horrible happened. Uh, you know, 297 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: so you have to notice in so, did something change 298 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: inside of you? Did you notice that, you know, rock 299 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: on devil? I don't know, Like, yeah, I'm all good 300 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: with us now, I'm just kidding. But it's like something 301 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: there's something that you notice and that you're asking this 302 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: question that you're feeling the way that you're feeling, like, 303 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: is it because of this? Do I need to get 304 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: right with this again? Do I need to start going 305 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: to the building down the street to be okay? Um? 306 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: You know, And I'll tell you when it comes to churches, 307 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: they serve a great purpose, they really do. They helped 308 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: teach the belief the faith right and traditions and rituals 309 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: and whatnot. I don't know how else we get the 310 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: word if we don't have them to reach out and 311 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: to inform and take the time to learn, you know 312 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: about it. Um. But for myself, as a kid growing up, 313 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: I did go to church, but after that I did not. 314 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: But am I Christian? Oh yes, for sure, Um, But 315 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: I think that there is a way of expressing our 316 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: beliefs to be okay outside of a building, you know. 317 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: But I understand the congregational needs and coming together. It's 318 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: a wonderful thing. It's a beautiful thing. Is that one necessary? 319 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: I don't think so. Is it awesome when it clicks? Heck? Yes, 320 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: you know. I've gone to church over the years here 321 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: and there, but nothing really consistent. But the community, the smiles, 322 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: the love. I mean, somebody once expressed or noted, uh 323 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: that the different faiths, the three big ones, have these 324 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: certain characteristics that are seen from an observational point of view, 325 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: and uh to say, like, you know, the religious faith 326 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: of those who are Jewish, they have a lot of 327 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: traditions and and things that get passed along. And the 328 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: Muslim faith they have various rules and uh do what's 329 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: expected of them. And then there's the Christian faith that 330 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: we're just all about love and love your neighbor and 331 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: love love love. It's interesting, right, and you know, so 332 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: we we've got these basis of our faiths and uh, 333 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of people like, well, that's 334 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: just too brief to say that's all it is. I'm 335 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that that's all there is 336 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: to you know, the other faith or even the Christian faith. 337 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm not aiming to insult anyone, but I'm just saying that, Uh, 338 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: when we think of our faiths, our religions, what comes 339 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: to mind that makes us feel we have to be 340 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: right there in the nook of it to be able 341 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: to get it, you know. I mean you're asking, did 342 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: I somehow get defeated? And so I wasn't a challenge 343 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: or a threat any longer to these things to keep 344 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: trying to take advantage of me, these shadow people, and 345 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: you know what that you're even questioning that makes me 346 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: a little bit concerned because I always say trust your gut, 347 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: and apparently your gut is thinking about it, like where 348 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: did your heart go when you stepped away from it? 349 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: What made you suddenly change? You know, I don't know, 350 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: did you just not have time on Sundays or did 351 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: you just stop reading the Bible? I don't know what 352 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: what it means for you to be religious. You know. Um, 353 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: I always think of those types of things and you know, 354 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: the things to practices that people do to show their 355 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: part of a religion. Um. So yeah, I mean, what 356 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: what was it? What was it? Does it feel like 357 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: you took away something of your faith when you stepped 358 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: away from whatever your practice was to show your religion now? Um, 359 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: and if there is a little step down, yes, there 360 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: is a possibility that these things saw an opportunity. Unfortunately, 361 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to say. Uh. I find a lot of 362 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: people that have no faith do get approached by these things, um, 363 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: until they you know, break down even more so. But 364 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: then you're asking also, I mean, it's it's it's kind 365 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: of complicated. I understand it's complicated as I'm speaking it out, 366 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: but you're asking also, do you feel like you cast 367 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: it out? Again? I don't think so, because it's something 368 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: you always did, like I would stay there until you've 369 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: got your hand free and said in Jesus name, go away. 370 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: So I'm leaning towards like, well, this person dropped in 371 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: their faith maybe and so they saw like you know, 372 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: easy sailing right here, because you noticed a big difference, 373 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: a big change with their approach with you right, That's 374 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: what I'm hearing. A big difference, not in fifteen years, 375 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: because right then is when you stepped away from your 376 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: religious beliefs. So I am thinking that, um, yeah, you 377 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: might be best to look back into it. Are they 378 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: darkly influencing you? I don't know. Potentially that sounds horrible, 379 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: wasn't it. But I mean we get influenced all the time. 380 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: You know. It's like I love popcorn and when I 381 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: see a commercial, I want to go get it, even 382 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: though I usually have some already. But you know what 383 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying, So we're easily influenced, like did it did 384 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: it conquer something? Do you feel something? Contemplate that? You know? 385 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a few more things about that after 386 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: the break before you get to the big email. All right, 387 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: you guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 388 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: Me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 389 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,959 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be 390 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: right back. Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes 391 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis Annie I Heart Radio, Coast 392 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: to Coast a AM paranormal podcast network. I hope I 393 00:25:54,400 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: made sense on that last segment. You know, sometime every 394 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: time they think it could be complicated. Because I am 395 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: such a fan of people's own guts. I don't think 396 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: there's a psychic in the world, and I know some 397 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: of the best, if not one of the best, uh, 398 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: that can say that your gut is wrong. I mean 399 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: this person taught that wrote me. It feels like there's 400 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: something that must have happened that must have taken place 401 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: for these things to step aside. Did they just get 402 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: tired of him saying and Jesus name go away? Um? 403 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: I don't think so, because it sounds like this was 404 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: happening pretty regularly. Yeah, Jesus could do anything, you know, 405 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't say absolutely no because I don't know everything. Uh, 406 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: but this for this person to have stepped forward and said, 407 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: you know, I had this pretty regularly, and then that's 408 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: about when I stopped really you know, having that edge 409 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: and thing, and uh, it's like, hold on, they don't 410 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: have an interest in me anymore. You know. I get 411 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people nine times out of ten pretty 412 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: close anyways. Uh. People are are are talented or insightful 413 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: and gifted where these beings get attracted to people and 414 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: They aim to break people down. They aim to shake 415 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: their faith that you know, going to weaken the needs 416 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: to doubt themselves. Um, I don't think you doubted yourself, Todd. 417 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: I don't think you did, because you use the name 418 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: of Jesus on this thing, right and uh, but you 419 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: started doubting your faith somehow. It seems to be you've 420 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: noted it. Um, And I'm just kind of picking it apart. 421 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: So I hope that makes sense for you, Todd and 422 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: everybody else that's listening. It's like if you're having the 423 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: battles battles all the time with shadow people and you're like, oh, no, 424 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: I am not going to go and do this prayer 425 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: thing anymore. I'm not gonna and sending shadow people stop 426 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: coming to the door. Ah yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say 427 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: something's something's up, Like they're like, well, we can put 428 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: our efforts someplace else. And I have to tell you 429 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: this too. When these shadow beings put a lot of 430 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: effort into somebody, it's because they are quite the prize, 431 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: quite the prize, And um, why did they stop? Why 432 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: did they stop? Work is hard? Did they win? Maybe? Maybe? 433 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: And we don't like maybe, so be certain tighten up 434 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: those beliefs a little bit there, Todd, and uh, your 435 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: battles might begin again. But guess what. You can always 436 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: go to my group on Facebook, Shadow People, hat Man Experiencer, 437 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: or my books Secret War hat and the hat Man Books, 438 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: both of them to you how to get rid of 439 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: these things. And if you send me an email, I 440 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: will always send it to you as well. So, um, yeah, 441 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: and how to clear out your space. Okay, So this 442 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: giant email or is it or is it there? It is? Okay, 443 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: I got it here, I got it here alright, this 444 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: one says dear Heidie again. That is me. When I 445 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: was almost three years old, my family moved from Michigan 446 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: to Kentucky because my dad had purchased a convenience store 447 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: in Lexington. Some people might think this is b s 448 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: because I would have been too young to remember, but 449 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: oddly enough, I remember a lot of things from my childhood, 450 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: even at the time, and I was about to turn 451 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: three years old. I'm telling you, I get emails from 452 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: people who recall being in their baby bed, their baby crib, 453 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: and I'm always amazed by these memories because I'm like, what, 454 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: who can remember that far back? I could barely remember 455 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: what I had for dinner. I decided to think of 456 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: it just now, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I remember. 457 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't remember yesterday's on never mine. Okay. So continuing, 458 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: when we got to Kentucky, we moved into a town 459 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: house outside of Lexington. It was a two bedroom townhouse, 460 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: with my older brother and myself sharing a room with 461 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: two twin sized beds. Alrighty. After living there for a 462 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: short period of time, my brother and I had went 463 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: to bed one night and I recall vividly that I 464 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: was not able to fall asleep. We had a window 465 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: mounted air conditioning unit and in our room, so it 466 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: had just kicked on as I was looking at it, 467 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: looking at it, Okay, Both of our beds were against 468 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: the wall on each side of the room, and our 469 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: feet were pointed towards the side of the room that 470 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: had the door for the entry and a closet. All right, 471 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get it in my head, okay, alright, alright, Um. 472 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: As I was hearing the air conditioning unit kick on, 473 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: I looked a bit to the left and there was 474 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: an at least eight foot tall, dark shadow man wearing 475 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: a top hat standing in front of the closet door. 476 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: Goose bumps. Anybody eight ft tall? Eight feet tall, that's humongous. 477 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,239 Speaker 1: So for a three year old, well, I'm sure as 478 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: you grew older you're able to better judge how tall 479 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: this thing was. Um okay, So continuing, ikey, everybody absolutely EAPs. Okay. 480 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: It looked like it was wearing a long black cloak. 481 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: It at a completely black face with no features and 482 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: a black top hat. He stood there for a couple 483 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: of seconds. I don't care how many times I hear 484 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: about these guys. I'm very visual, very visual when I 485 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: read these things. I watched the movie in my head 486 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: of it, and um, I've learned it's called synaesthesia, and 487 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: I just see this happening. So yeah, synesthesia. What is synesthesia? Well, 488 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: it's it's not amnesia. Synesthesia's like a crossing of your 489 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: senses and where some people like might hear music or 490 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: something and they see colors dancing in the air. Where 491 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: I hear stories and people telling me things and I 492 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: see it playing out. It's so goose bumps. Okay. Anyways, 493 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: that was a long explicitanation for Okay. He stood there 494 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: for a couple of seconds, and I remember feeling totally 495 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: frozen in fear, and all of a sudden he was 496 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: sitting on the side of my small, uh twin size bed, 497 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: staring down at me. Really he moves quick, guys, this 498 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: is so typical of him. Against his face and it 499 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: had no features. Okay again I think they mean again 500 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: his face had no features. I do not prove frea 501 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: these Okay, I'm sounding it out as I go along. 502 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: So again his face had no features and was completely black. 503 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: As I laid there, completely frozen, he did not make 504 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: a move, but just sat there staring at me. At 505 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: some point I must have fallen asleep, and when I 506 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: woke up, he was gone. M hm. The next night 507 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: when we went to bed, I had kind of forgotten 508 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: about it and was too young to really rationalize what 509 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: I saw. Hold on here, but the fear, that fear, guy, 510 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean, hold on you, guys. This is this is 511 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: a trump. I've had people who are like a toddler. 512 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: This is this is a toddler three years old. I 513 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: mean that's little. Uh it just turned three years old. 514 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: This kid and the fear that gets instilled in a child, 515 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,240 Speaker 1: it's so pure and so innocent. Like I had a 516 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: guy right me I believe they thought they were still 517 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: like one and a half years old or something, and 518 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: to have hat Man step in the room and look 519 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: in their baby crib and this telepathic message was given 520 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: to him that if you cry, I'm going to kill you. 521 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Hat Man can instill in a 522 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: baby that it's going to die, It's gonna ceased to exist. 523 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: Imagine that being that young and being able to interpret 524 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: that goes to show our souls are multilayered, right to 525 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: be able to observe and let it sink in, like 526 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: what is death? You know? If you sit down to 527 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: try to explain to a child, well, you know, like 528 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: I was a kid lost my mother. What do you 529 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: mean Mom's not coming home? You know, like that concept 530 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: was like, well, because she's with God. I'm like, God 531 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: kidnapped my mother. I mean, kids, it's so difficult to 532 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: explain something sometimes, you know, and it's like that it 533 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: just doesn't sink in. And in an instant here we 534 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: have this person saying that they were fearful right but 535 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: later on could really rationalize it, but new to have fear, 536 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,919 Speaker 1: and that it was strange it didn't have a face. 537 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind 538 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: of kind of rationalizing some of this myself here, but 539 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I had another person that wrote that had, um, 540 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: there was an absolute baby being bottle fed and saw 541 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: hat man and had the fear struck right in them. 542 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: I mean, just unbelievable, unbelievable. Okay, So continuing where was I? Okay, 543 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: could not rationalize what I saw. I didn't mention anything 544 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: to my parents either. I mean, imagine that's a three 545 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: year old. It's a three year old. It's like, did 546 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: I tell my parents? I guess not. Um. So, as 547 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,480 Speaker 1: I lay there trying to fall asleep, oh my gosh, 548 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:55,800 Speaker 1: suddenly he was there again, standing in front of the closet, 549 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,879 Speaker 1: and then suddenly sitting on the side of my bed 550 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: staring down at me again. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Okay, 551 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: I got chills. I got chills. I just I mean, you, guys, 552 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen something move and normally quick as 553 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: these things do, you just don't know how easy it 554 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: is to question reality. It is freaky disturbing. And when 555 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: you think of these things being another dimension of a 556 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: sort where they can distort things where we're moving kind 557 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,319 Speaker 1: of slow because I've had out of body experiences in 558 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: this place moves very so loud, and for these things 559 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: to go skipping along the way they do it is 560 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: really freaky. Um. All right, I gotta continue this after 561 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: the break because it's getting dark again. All right, you guys, 562 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: you're listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Hidie Alice 563 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coach they 564 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: am You're a normal podcast network. H welcome back. You 565 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: are listening to Dark to Comes Light with me, Heidi 566 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: Hollis Bunny, I aren't Radio and Coast to Coast they 567 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: am paranormal podcast network. Oh boy, this is for the break. 568 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,320 Speaker 1: We were in the midst of a very large email. 569 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 1: And uh it's disturbing hat Man going after a toddler 570 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: once again, very popular victim of choice for him. Nothing 571 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: out of the ordinary, nothing to see here, except it 572 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: enrages me every single time when I hear about this. 573 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: What a way to start off your life. Huh. Oh 574 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,800 Speaker 1: the double page I visit. Oh it makes me angry. 575 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: All right, So, um, before I go off into my rants, 576 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: let's finish this email, all right. Um, So hat Man 577 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 1: has returned again. Besides the bed of this three year old. 578 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: What's the name John? John? Okay, So again hat me 579 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: shows up and uh again frozen in fear, of course, 580 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: but I didn't get the feeling that this thing wanted 581 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: to harm me. Oh boy, This pattern continued, You guys, 582 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: listen to this night after night until it got to 583 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: the point where I was no longer afraid of this thing. 584 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: It would sit on my bed and stare at me, 585 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: and I would stare back. Oh, some conditioning that's going 586 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: on here, Some conditioning, all right, I recall no longer 587 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: being fearful and even somewhat relaxed, as I had gotten 588 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: used to him coming. You hear this conditioning. Shortly before 589 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: I turned five years old, my parents decided to move 590 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: back to Michigan. The neighborhood my dad's store was in 591 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: had gotten really bad, and my dad didn't feel safe 592 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 1: and no longer running the store, so he sold it. 593 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: When we left back to Michigan, I no longer saw 594 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,760 Speaker 1: the figure and never really told anyone about it. Moving 595 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: forward a few years to the time I was around 596 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: nine years old and we had just moved into a 597 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: new house. I was playing hide and seek with my 598 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: brother and cousin, and I hid in my parents closet. 599 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: Why is it the closet? Why is that always the closet? Okay, 600 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: As I was sitting down at the bottom of the closet, 601 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 1: a completely black hand, Oh I got chills, which appeared 602 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: to be wearing a black glove. Hand reached down from 603 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: in between the clothes. This is a nightmare. It was 604 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: a nightmare that we're hanging and just way saved high 605 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 1: like wiggling its fingers. Oh gosh, I am you guys. 606 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: It started. The chill started on the tops of my 607 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,759 Speaker 1: thighs this time, and it spread from my shoulders out 608 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: like I had wings. I don't know. I don't know. 609 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 1: I like describing where my chill come from, and that's 610 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:30,240 Speaker 1: where they went. Okay, I was immediate lee, just fascinate. Okay, 611 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,920 Speaker 1: hold then I was immediately just fascinated and had the 612 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: overwhelming feeling that this hand belonged to the hat entity 613 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:44,359 Speaker 1: and that he was just checking in on me. After that, 614 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: I never saw him again. Who fast forward about twenty 615 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 1: five years and I suddenly started thinking about these incidences, 616 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: and I decided to just look online to see if 617 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 1: anyone had experienced anything similar. My jaw almost hit the 618 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: floor when I saw that hat Man as they call him, 619 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: is a commonly seen shadow figure. Wrong that is reported 620 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: all around the world. Yeah, but wrong, Okay, Um, I 621 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: mean I have to explain that a second. I had 622 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 1: no idea and just thought it was a unique experience. 623 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: But I was blown back to see all the content. 624 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,439 Speaker 1: Sometimes hat Man will just have a brimmed hat, while 625 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: others report him wearing a top hat, just like I saw. 626 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: Most people tend to think it's a demonic figure that 627 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: means harm, but I never got the feeling that he 628 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,760 Speaker 1: wanted to harm me at all. Some say what happened 629 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: is just sleep paralysis, but why would people all see 630 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: the same thing? To this day, I have no doubt 631 00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: about what I saw, and to me, this is real 632 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: John oh boy. Uh yeah, you know it's all interesting. 633 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: You know when you start a conversation on something and uh, 634 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: everybody's around the world saying, oh, guess what it does, 635 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: says it does that this is actually the pattern. Um. 636 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,240 Speaker 1: You know. I took a long time to come forward 637 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: to share exactly what he was and what he was doing, 638 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: because he was so horrific and he was causing a 639 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,920 Speaker 1: lot of have it to people that I know personally 640 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 1: that I had to take steps back and prepare people 641 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 1: around me because I was going to talk about him. 642 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: And that's how much of a disruption he is in 643 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: people's lives. Um, he wasn't messing with me. He was 644 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: messing with those around me, the people that would like 645 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: serve as a protective barrier so I don't feel isolated. 646 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: So I don't get, you know, in this this desperate 647 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: mode or something where I had nobody to vent too. 648 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: So he was going after them, and I was like, okay, 649 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: hold on, I have to tell my friends and family 650 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,879 Speaker 1: and co workers even um, hey guys, I'm gonna talk 651 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,720 Speaker 1: about the devil. That's what you gotta do to protect yourself. 652 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: So I could take my steps forward. And he is 653 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: not a shadow person. When I first introduced shadow people 654 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: and the hat man phenomenon, I initially called him the 655 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 1: hat man shadow and it took me a couple of years. 656 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: I had to backtrack a bit. I'm like, he's something different, okay, 657 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 1: because he controls the other beings. He is the head 658 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: honcho to them, okay, and he could step out from 659 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,240 Speaker 1: the shadows and be absolutely solid. That is uh something 660 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: that I've been talking about for years. It came from me, 661 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,799 Speaker 1: started for me, always is me. Anybody else talking about it, 662 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,760 Speaker 1: that's where they got it from. Um, that's not gonna 663 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: tell you because it's just been there's been so many 664 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 1: distortions out there on the content and what I've been 665 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: doing for so long, and to have somebody pop along, 666 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,320 Speaker 1: Oh guess what, I'm a genius. No, no, this is 667 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 1: not new. I've been talking about this from the start. 668 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: That he is solid, he wears clothes, uh, he has skin, 669 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: He could see him clearly, and yeah, he could step 670 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: into the shadows just like a human could and kind 671 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:31,239 Speaker 1: of blend in, though he can step in through dimensions. 672 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,080 Speaker 1: So he's a little bit better at that game. But 673 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 1: here we have this guy who felt like, oh it's 674 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: not so bad. You know. Hat man conditions children to 675 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: get used to him, so he can you know, wave hello, 676 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: check on his uh, his his uh, how can I say, 677 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: his protege, his student, and making sure he's on the 678 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: path be used to my energy because I'm going to 679 00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,320 Speaker 1: be visiting and trying to control you later. Um. Yeah, 680 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,840 Speaker 1: so he is something that is not not to be 681 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: taken lightly. And you know, I'm sad to hear that 682 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: this person felt like, well, he felt somebody I could 683 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: rely upon, you know, to be there. It's like, yeah, 684 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 1: because he conditioned you to do that. You're fearful. You 685 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: you had that automatic reaction to have fear until it 686 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: went away because he kept conditioning you to get used 687 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,200 Speaker 1: to his presence. I hope that makes sense to you 688 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: because that's what took place. He lets you get used 689 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,200 Speaker 1: to letting your guard down with him around, and it's 690 00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,720 Speaker 1: a it's a terrible, terrible thing to have happened, because 691 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: then he gets a little bit closer, a little bit closer. 692 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: I've had people tell me they fell in love with 693 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: him as a child because he was comforting, because their 694 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,640 Speaker 1: parents might not have been comforting. Who knows why. They 695 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: were dependent more on that presence too. So he was 696 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,359 Speaker 1: that shoulder to lean on. He was always there. Uh 697 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: so yeah, and um so yeah, hat man, where's a 698 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: burn hat? Sometimes? Sometimes he wears no hat. Sometimes he 699 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: wears a cowboy hat sometimes. I mean he really mixes 700 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,320 Speaker 1: it up. He doesn't even always wear black. Uh huh, 701 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: he mixes that up as well. And yeah, is he 702 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: a demon? He is? And you know, guys, here is 703 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 1: a perfect example of somebody which I get probably once 704 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,799 Speaker 1: a week of a person saying I thought it was 705 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: the only one, because I've heard from a lot of 706 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 1: people that say randomly, you know, oh, maybe maybe you're 707 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: creating this phenomena because you're telling people about it. No, No, 708 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,200 Speaker 1: it's the other way around. People are experiencing these things 709 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: years years ago before I spoke. They just didn't know 710 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 1: what it was. And why am I the person to 711 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,520 Speaker 1: speak on it. Well, that's a big, long, juicy story. Uh. 712 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,560 Speaker 1: People think I got this information independent of anything, But 713 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:09,319 Speaker 1: I'm telling you some people here, like myself, we can 714 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: remember before we were born. We can remember why we 715 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,240 Speaker 1: came here. And I'm one of those people. I remember 716 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: before I came here without hypnosis, but through something really 717 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: odd and unique that I haven't come across personally by 718 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: other people except for some who are like, oh yeah, 719 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: me too. Yeah, I've had that happen with something I 720 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,840 Speaker 1: regret sharing. Oh gosh, people are something else. Just to 721 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: speak brief, I shared, Uh, military abduction I had that 722 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: was quite unique, and I'm like, I'm going to tell 723 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,960 Speaker 1: you this in private. I really don't want to talk 724 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: about it too much. Next time I spoke to that 725 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,439 Speaker 1: person after like a year. Do you know I had 726 00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: this really unique military abduction. What it was my story 727 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:03,280 Speaker 1: being repeated back to me. Yeah, yeah, it happens. Uh 728 00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,600 Speaker 1: So again here we are, guys, Um, but where was I? 729 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 1: So this person is asking, you know, why are all 730 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,839 Speaker 1: people seeing the same thing. It's because it's not sleep paralysis. 731 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,880 Speaker 1: There's actually something going on and hat Man is actually 732 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: the devil, so demon of all demons. Uh so. Yeah, 733 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,399 Speaker 1: I hope that this was helpful for you, John, Thank 734 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,359 Speaker 1: you so much for writing me and for sharing that, 735 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,759 Speaker 1: because man, it's it's horrible out there, guys, a lot 736 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 1: of things that are going on, and people are getting 737 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: fooled by this hat Man and people wonder why it's 738 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: going on. It's because he conditions people sometimes. All Right, 739 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,800 Speaker 1: you guys, don't forget to go to my main website, 740 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: which is Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com. 741 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: Tell me your stories and follow me on Instagram, Twitter, 742 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,839 Speaker 1: Facebook at one Heidi Hollis and reach out. You know, 743 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,879 Speaker 1: don't don't forget that we're all pulling for each other 744 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: in this world and helping each other out is what 745 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 1: it's all about. And showing a little love and sprinkling 746 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,640 Speaker 1: some Jesus on it to keep these negative things away. 747 00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 1: How's that I always learned something new, and I hope 748 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,359 Speaker 1: you guys do too. All Right, you guys, we've come 749 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: to the bottom of another fabulous program. You have been 750 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Like with me Annie Hollis on 751 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 752 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:36,920 Speaker 1: Let's see you next time. Stay safe, everybody. Well, if 753 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,040 Speaker 1: you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait till 754 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,440 Speaker 1: you hear the next one. You've been listening to the 755 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network.